Haha! Yeah they all know I'm nuts, especially when I'm at the house and it starts pouring out and I go out there with the camera to check up on products while getting soaked.
Looking awesome WaxMode! Its tout stuff and laughs at some pretty darn strong chemicals out there. Keep up the abuse and let us know how it continues to perform for you. One thing to consider in regards to hydrophobics after repeated wash/water testing. You can notice a slight degradation in water repellency as the coating filaments can actually become saturated with moisture over time (This is true for alot of coatings or forms of protection not just Graphene Matrix). Once the panel dries out they will bounce back like new!
Thanks Tim, I was a bit surprised at this performance, great results out of this application! Great information about the repeated water testing, that was my plan after the Super Clean dumping to allow the panel to sit for a little bit and settle down before the next batch of tests.
I may actually apply this coating to my automobile very soon, I am very impressed with the hydrophobic nature and the durability thus far from what I have seen!!!!
So far so good my friend! I'm very impressed as well, there's a lot of coatings that I haven't used on the market, but out of what I have worked with this is definitely showing awesome performance across the board in the short term.
I agree, the combination of it being able to resist these three cleaners consecutively, shows the strength of the coating's resistance compared to what you can get with a standard wax or sealant. Thanks for your feedback Humberto!
Impressive !. Wow But what a coating 😲💪👌. I am thinking of my next coating for my vehicle once carpro lite and gliss V2 is finished !. I just hope we can get it in France! Adam's I think but ethos will be harder. An ethos graphene vs adam's graphene duel would be super interesting
Awesome video man! Love it! That Matrix is STOUT!!! very good defense against those 3 in my opinion very strong chemicals.. with good maintenance on this coating I see it performing very well for a long time👍👍 keep up the vids bro!!!
And this is the one available for the public which is a 5 year long coating and now Ethos has the Professional version which is a 10 year long coating. Great job by a new company which is also doing exceptional products like Turtle Wax, Bilt Hamber, Wowo's, Griots and Meguiars have done through the years and new companies like xtreme solutions, 3d, Lithium, Sonax, Renegade products. Innovation and durability testing against harsh stuff is a game changer specially having detailers performing validation.
Thanks Smurf! I was a bit surprised at the Strip Down resistance, it still felt pretty slick as well through the wash mitt even going over the coating with Strip Down, pretty nuts. This coating is definitely ticking a bunch of boxes in the short term for me. At $99 it definitely has to perform, but so far so good!
@@WaxMode agreed my friend!! I'm VERY curious as the months go by, how it will be able to maintain these crazy hydrophobics! They also just released there Matrix ceramic coating 😲😎 another one to test!!
@@WaxMode The incredible thing is that it is $99 for 5 years, so basically its $20 a year for the coating and basically only requires the ph balanced soap and/or Ethos Defy as maintenance. Very inexpensive.
I've watched this like 4 times, it's just so satisfying to see it shrug off these heavy hitting chemicals. I'm going through this stuff like crazy. At its price point and with its easy application I have no problem recommending it during an estimate, and everybody wants the new hotness. Is something like Essence Plus still a suitable maintenance polish/repair solution for this coating? I often use it at 6 and/or 12 months with traditional ceramic coatings that have some contamination and water spotting.
Sorry I missed this Keith, I avoid Essence Plus because with CQUK I noticed a permanent and very large decrease in hydrophobic behavior after using it on top. So Essence Plus would be a very last resort type of product and at that point I would already be thinking of just polishing and reapplying a new coating instead.
@@WaxMode no worries man, I've moved to ASP coatings almost exclusively now anyway. Protection gets absolutely hammered in my area, terrible water and fallout, tons of industrial manufacturing everywhere. Many people don't maintain it, so they almost always *have* to be deconned and refreshed if they live outside. I always top it in some manner so I've never really taken notice of standalone behavior of either version. I usually top a struggling coating with Moonlight after a refresh, which offers alot of protection for how inexpensive and quick it is to apply. Even though I tell them exactly what's going to happen, most people don't want to even *hear* they need a full recoat just a year later because they didn't do any friggin' maintenance and run it through car washes. So I have to compromise and stretch things out while still keeping my costs down and clients happy. Thanks for getting back man! 👍✌
Awesome video man. Looks like you got a good haul from Tim to try there. Now you have to get his ceramic matrix coating lol. This will be my next coating!
I just saw the release notice over on Instagram, would be really interesting to see how well the Graphene Matrix holds up side by side with the Ceramic Matrix! I'm getting good results with the rest of the Ethos line, I need to get some more testing in and possibly put up some more videos. Defy and Ceramic Refresh are good alternatives to one another, with Defy as the regular topper and Ceramic Refresh as the occasional topper to Ceramic Wax Pro. Foam Party is a fantastic foam cannon soap. Detox I've been blowing through this, smells really good, effective on leftover polish residue. Looking forward to the other cool stuff that Tim and his team are working on for the future!
WaxMode that would be cool to get some more videos on all of it. Yeah Tom has been hard at work and making some awesome products. He helped me get my coating back in shape as I was trying too many products. Now I just use the defy or the ceramic refresh just how you are using it. I prewash with foam party.
Another great review and it looks like Ethos is legit. I just applied two coats of the Ethos ceramic wax and then topper it off with Defy. I’m super happy with the gloss, depth, and slickness. I have not seen the hydrophobic behavior yet as it has only been two days. I’m definitely ordering more Ethos but I did see the Zymol Graphene is available on Carzilla. Test in the future?
Cheers Neil! Looking forward to seeing how it holds up for you. Zymol Atomic Graphene Shield I'm holding off on this, there's a couple guys posting feedback on it and I'm keeping a close eye on their updates on the forums. I think Adam's has a pretty good spray coating formula, I might pick up their Graphene Spray Coating to try out before Zymol Atomic.
Hey love your video’s .... I’m still waiting for you to try TLC Black Ice bud .... I did my truck .. did the full prep work ... this stuff went on easy ..it almost self levels ... couple of your RUclipsrs love it ...but I have to saw I like your opinions on these products !
Hey thanks Bruce! Appreciate the feedback on the Black Ice, glad to here it went on super easy for you. I heard a lot of guys have been having great results from the CeraTrim as well.
I'm having this done to my Highlander next week. Truck, bumpers and windows to the tune of $1400.00 but if it lasts as long as they claim it'll be worth it!!
waxmode, what's your opinion on the ceramic soaps? are they worth it? do they actually help a coating? it would be interesting to see once a coating starts to take a hit if the can rejuvenate it at all.. probably hard to test ...thanks for the effort you put in these vids...
I actually don't have a lot of time behind those kinds of soaps outside of short term behavior tests. Performance impact is going to be minimal on fresh protectants, so if topping was my goal I would still recommend going with a dedicated topper after the wash. I might reserve a section of this Graphene Matrix Coating and use Ceramic Shampoo on it once it starts to diminish to see if there's a strong impact on the daily driver.
barry bij I’ve seen many reviews and tested a few soaps, and they don’t offer much protection as a stand alone product on bare paint except one. Turtle Wax Ceramic Wash & Wax of their Hybrid Solutions line. Now this may not be the answer you’re looking for, but as far as an impact, this soap gave beating and water sheeting on bare paint with just one wash. So this soap might be the best bet for toppers during maintenance washing. Still like Waxmode said, using a dedicated silica spray sealant or ceramic infused topper would be best to boost performance/longevity of a coating.
Would like to see maybe some wheel acid, or some citrol as well. These cleaners are pretty effective at impacting spray ceramics, and sealants but (respectfully) are not known for having any effect on ceramic coatings, or this graphene one. I like the test but this is a true coating, these cleaners shouldn't affect it by design (the coating) so it's not exactly a surprise. Really compounding is the only reliable way to remove it and since that will work we probably need harsher chemicals. It would be interesting to see how it would hold up to a flame (not suggesting catching it on fire) but like a blow torch or a heat gun, I think we would really need to look at serious ways to remove a coating to determine it's resistance. I don't think citrol will even effect it but it's kinda a given that a coating should be able to survive this, the stuff is pretty decent with sealants, and spray ceramics but there is a big difference between those and this so I suggest the goal should be to intentionally try to remove it just to see how long it can hold on short of compounding (or maybe test that as well). Still love the video and it was interesting I like the idea but more than anything I would have been shocked if any of these had affected the coating.
Thanks Last Hope! I'm planning in the next test to pull out the Meguiar's Wheel Brightener at full strength, and then Optimum Power Clean and one of the iron removers that I have up on the shelf to see if we can cut through it any further with those. A lot of products have actually been pretty resistant against Wheel Brightener when they're fresh. So I might come out with a follow up video on this. Citrol I still haven't picked up yet, I think that was one that was just a bit out of budget, I blow through aerosol bottles really quick doing these tests, thankfully Super Clean actually reached out to me and sent me additional Super Clean aerosols after watching a few of my videos.
Last Hope The whole blowtorch thing is a little bit of a novel test more than anything. Our cars are never going to be subject to flames in the real world, and if they were, you’d have bigger things to worry about than if your coating survived or not. You’d either be looking at a panel replacement with a complete respray and then subsequent reapplication of ceramic anyway, or at a total loss of the vehicle. Brian from Apex Detail does do tests like that though, so you should check out his channel if that’s more what you’re into. Chemical resistance provides a closer “idea” to wether some product will be durable or not. Just leaving a black panel out to bake under the sun would be as hot as I would wanna get anything for testing purposes, since that’s about as hot as a car’s paint will ever get (with the engine running simultaneously). Other than that, I see no point going any further.
Can't go wrong with CQUK 3.0! Tried and true coating, did a wash today after topping with Polish Angel Cosmic Spritz a few weeks ago and it looks absolutely fantastic. Ethos Graphene Matrix is looking really good so far, but we're in uncharted territory so if you already have the CQUK ready to go, I'd stick with it.
Damn. I’m impressed. After that purple power it did take a hit but it had already been bombarded with strong cleaners. Who knows, maybe there was still some stubborn residue left even after the reset wash. Either way, it’s still impressive how well it held up. This coating’s looking better and better as the time passes and I see more people’s experiences. I wonder if the Adam’s coating is the exact same thing, since they’re both manufactured by Adam’s. They wouldn’t ship to Puerto Rico though for some reason so I guess I’ll never know.
If you’re implying the Ethos and Adams coatings are the same, that’s far from the truth. Adams blends their products with B&B blending while Ethos blends their products in house. Two completely different companies even though they’re both made in the US. Ethos was just recently made available in Canada so I’m sure Tim is working on getting his products to other places around the world as well.
You never really know what you're going to get with chemical resistance, even with some strong coatings out there. I've seen some be pretty heavily etched and damaged with one pass with a degreaser, and others have held up perfect. This is definitely some strong stuff, I might continue the tests until it really starts to degrade and keep track of how many passes it takes with the different products and maybe do a follow up video on that.
Jordan Adamowicz I’m not implying they ARE the same, just expressing some doubt on wether they MIGHT be. I was under the impression B&B was also the manufacturer for the Ethos coating. I’ll research it more when I get home, but in the meantime, would you provide me with a link with that info. Would be much appreciated!
I think Sonax Perfect Finish is one of the best abrasives on the market. The level of gloss from the glossmeter is top tier, although most finishing polishes are quite close to one another after jeweling the paint, Sonax is definitely able to reach the upper tier numbers consistently. And then the wipeoff is just easier, cleaner, and smoother than most, very competitive with low dusting, good cutting ability. Griot's Perfecting Cream, I think this is one to use if for whatever reason the Correcting Cream isn't finishing out quite as well with the specific paint type you're working on. I think Correcting Cream based on the numbers can finish out just as well as Perfecting Cream while providing more cut, so for one steps when I would need some cut without going too heavy, Correcting Cream is what I would be reaching for more often. Correcting Cream and Perfecting Cream are not quite as easy to wipe off compared to Perfect Finish, and the gloss numbers are not quite as high as well. It's close, in between 0.3-1.0GU gloss difference which isn't going to be eye noticeable, but that's what the numbers say. So this is one of the reasons why Perfect Finish is so consistently recommended. But for the price, the Griot's are still absolutely fantastic, but I would say the gems of the Griot's lineup are Fast Correcting Cream and Correcting Cream, rather than Perfecting Cream. The Griot's abrasives also smell great across the board to me, another reason why I like them.
WaxMode thanks so much! From your input, they both sound great. Would love to see some paint correction videos if you ever feel like changing it up for a video or two! I’m sure your analysis on that would be top tier too
The new Dawn Powerwash is much stronger cleaning ability and much more effective in knocking down fresh waxes for me compared to PPVBW at a strong dilution.
Hey Frank, this actually provides good slickness for a coating. It's not Power Lock levels of slickness, but certainly good slickness and much better compared my other favorites like CQUK 3.0. This was also very easy to work with even out in the sun where I was testing it on the fenders in the higher temperatures, even if you don't have the garage you could split up the application into sections and get the car coated over time.
What can I used to remove water spots and bird dropping stains ... all in one polishe .. or step by step ... i have a polisher .... its just the hood of my car... Thanks
Sometimes the etching from bird bombs can be pretty deep in the paint, so just depending on how severe it is, it could be easy to clean up with a one step or require some heavier compounding. Water spot deposits can be tackled with various spot removers, I've been using 3D Eraser Gel with good results, I've also got Gyeon WaterSpot and CarPro Spotless which can work on fresher deposits. But once the water spot has created actual etching, then this will require polishing and like the bird bomb etching it's going to depend on the severity of the etch to determine how aggressive you have to be to fully remove them. Most water spot etching I have to use at least a medium cut polish to really clean up, I would definitely look at both Griot's BOSS Fast Correcting Cream and Correcting Cream as polishing abrasives that are high quality and well priced if you're looking for recommendations.
Cheers Mark! Ceramic Wax Pro definitely likes to be topped, it was able to resist a bit of a dump with Strip Down but it's not going to be as hydrophobic as some others out there. Paired with Defy and Ceramic Refresh, they've behaved really well on the CWP sections on the other test car over the months. But absolutely, this Graphene Matrix Coating is on a completely different level of performance.
from what i can tell bigger bottle is 16oz and i think its an old formula..this wax used to come in 16oz for around 35.99.. now they changed it to 8 oz and cost around 29.. so now paying more for less product..i have the old formula which i really dont like it didnt last that long at all..so never bothered for new formula.
Amazed I have the bigger bottle. It’s a new formula from the first version. People seem to love it. But for me it never lasted long. Everything else was good. Yeah the smaller bottle is a lot more per ounce!
Amazed yeah I have the new formula I got out of a glovebox but am hesitant to try because people don’t really seem to get much durability out of it. It claims one year but I’ve only seen it last a few months, at least in terms of its hydrophobics at least
Hey Hank! I got the smaller bottle in the August GloveBox from Brad last month. I'll be checking for differences between the batches if any in future testing. I've got to check the date stamps, but I had the 16oz bottle of the Ceramic Wax Pro on the paint for a few months before I started topping it with Defy and Ceramic Refresh. CWP was still holding up by itself but it's not going to be a hydrophobic monster, so this is one that does prefer to be maintained regularly. Both Defy and Ceramic Refresh were able to really boost it back up and the boost with Ceramic Refresh was considerable.
I’m super super low on Prep-All, right now I’ve got Ceramic Matrix and Graphene Matrix side by side on the test panel in the process of running water spotting tests. Once I get done with that I may try hitting it with the last of the Prep-All and see how they hold up.
@@WaxMode I’ve been very impressed with all of your vids, very professional and to the point. Just curious if you use any dedicated glass protection on your personal vehicles? I’m in south Florida so I’m always on the search for something better. I have been impressed with Gtechniq G5 for my glass followed by a close 2nd with Kamakazie Intenso..
As Christopher said, Ethos recommends their Defy right now as a maintenance topper to keep up on slickness and gloss for the Graphene Matrix, but I don't think Defy is graphene infused. Based on PapaSmurf918's results though he's topped Graphene Matrix with Defy and saw no negative result.
@@groundcontrol6876 Tranquilo hermano que aunque no seamos el primero seguimos apoyando poniendo el número que hacemos en posición de nuestros comentarios a los compañeros.
@@henryfreeman6113 Oh, sorry. Nothing wrong with me. One of my youngest cousins was involved in an accident last week which he didn't cause. He was on his motorcycle in a traffic stop. It was raining and road was slippery. The traffic light turned green for him and a truck coming from the left slipped. The car to his right basically protected him while they were crossing but still had the disadvantage of being in a motorcycle. He got broken right clavicle, fractures of right leg in 3 parts, both arms broken and shoulder dislocated and broken. He is lucky/blessed to be alive.
@@WaxMode Thanks Mr. Kyle! ✊🙏 I will soon order the Ethos Graphene coating first for my car. Obviously, living in Puerto Rico the application and flash will change from what you, PapaSmurf918 and the Brian's (Apex Detail and FAB Automotive Detailing) have experienced since our year long temperature is normally above 85 and above 75% humidity. This year, I uploaded a video on the Ethos site on the Interior Detailer(Humberto R) which I did in Spanish/English after my experience with the first oil change on my car at the dealer and what they sprayed in it(due to covid-19), so hope to load another one on my Graphene coating experience.
Ethos or Adams graphene is the question! Apparently Ethos gets their formulation from Adams, so Adams graphene should be better right? They wouldn't give their competitor a superior formulation.
@@ethoscarcare Shit this feels like I've been caught by the teacher in school or something 🤣 a side be side comparison would be nice is all I'm saying.
Chemical resistant tests are dumb imo. If the wax/sealant/coating can with stand orange or purple citrus degreaser that'll be good enough for 90% of people.
I like to see them, always fun to see just what these products can withstand, but I've always felt it's deadly to be ranking the top products by how well they can hold up to chemicals.
Great video and that held up great! Your neighbors have to be wondering when you will be done cleaning that hood. 😂
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Haha! Yeah they all know I'm nuts, especially when I'm at the house and it starts pouring out and I go out there with the camera to check up on products while getting soaked.
Looking awesome WaxMode! Its tout stuff and laughs at some pretty darn strong chemicals out there. Keep up the abuse and let us know how it continues to perform for you.
One thing to consider in regards to hydrophobics after repeated wash/water testing. You can notice a slight degradation in water repellency as the coating filaments can actually become saturated with moisture over time (This is true for alot of coatings or forms of protection not just Graphene Matrix). Once the panel dries out they will bounce back like new!
Thanks Tim, I was a bit surprised at this performance, great results out of this application! Great information about the repeated water testing, that was my plan after the Super Clean dumping to allow the panel to sit for a little bit and settle down before the next batch of tests.
I may actually apply this coating to my automobile very soon, I am very impressed with the hydrophobic nature and the durability thus far from what I have seen!!!!
So far so good my friend! I'm very impressed as well, there's a lot of coatings that I haven't used on the market, but out of what I have worked with this is definitely showing awesome performance across the board in the short term.
Great video! Those hydrophobics are insane. Super satisfying to see the beading
Thanks Gabe! Yeah I definitely get lost in the moment and carried away just looking at the beading when I'm spraying. Never gets old for me.
Extremely well done... the coating looks amazing! Finally pulled the trigger and ordered mine 2 days ago. Can't wait for it to arrive. 👍
Cheers Idtriton! Definitely keep me posted on how everything goes with this coating when you try it out!
@@WaxMode
Most definitely!
This is a great resistance review and a nice starting point on how good it will last. Thanks a lot Mr Kyle.
I agree, the combination of it being able to resist these three cleaners consecutively, shows the strength of the coating's resistance compared to what you can get with a standard wax or sealant. Thanks for your feedback Humberto!
I just got my kit in the mail. Can't wait to put it down on my white paint.
Thanks Marco! Keep us posted.
Impressive !. Wow But what a coating 😲💪👌. I am thinking of my next coating for my vehicle once carpro lite and gliss V2 is finished !. I just hope we can get it in France! Adam's I think but ethos will be harder.
An ethos graphene vs adam's graphene duel would be super interesting
Awesome video, great informative video
Thanks Mike!
Awesome video man! Love it! That Matrix is STOUT!!! very good defense against those 3 in my opinion very strong chemicals.. with good maintenance on this coating I see it performing very well for a long time👍👍 keep up the vids bro!!!
And this is the one available for the public which is a 5 year long coating and now Ethos has the Professional version which is a 10 year long coating. Great job by a new company which is also doing exceptional products like Turtle Wax, Bilt Hamber, Wowo's, Griots and Meguiars have done through the years and new companies like xtreme solutions, 3d, Lithium, Sonax, Renegade products. Innovation and durability testing against harsh stuff is a game changer specially having detailers performing validation.
Thanks Smurf! I was a bit surprised at the Strip Down resistance, it still felt pretty slick as well through the wash mitt even going over the coating with Strip Down, pretty nuts. This coating is definitely ticking a bunch of boxes in the short term for me. At $99 it definitely has to perform, but so far so good!
@@WaxMode agreed my friend!! I'm VERY curious as the months go by, how it will be able to maintain these crazy hydrophobics! They also just released there Matrix ceramic coating 😲😎 another one to test!!
@@WaxMode The incredible thing is that it is $99 for 5 years, so basically its $20 a year for the coating and basically only requires the ph balanced soap and/or Ethos Defy as maintenance. Very inexpensive.
Ethos Defy survived the auto Carwash. 4 of them actually.
I've watched this like 4 times, it's just so satisfying to see it shrug off these heavy hitting chemicals.
I'm going through this stuff like crazy. At its price point and with its easy application I have no problem recommending it during an estimate, and everybody wants the new hotness.
Is something like Essence Plus still a suitable maintenance polish/repair solution for this coating? I often use it at 6 and/or 12 months with traditional ceramic coatings that have some contamination and water spotting.
Sorry I missed this Keith, I avoid Essence Plus because with CQUK I noticed a permanent and very large decrease in hydrophobic behavior after using it on top. So Essence Plus would be a very last resort type of product and at that point I would already be thinking of just polishing and reapplying a new coating instead.
@@WaxMode no worries man, I've moved to ASP coatings almost exclusively now anyway. Protection gets absolutely hammered in my area, terrible water and fallout, tons of industrial manufacturing everywhere. Many people don't maintain it, so they almost always *have* to be deconned and refreshed if they live outside.
I always top it in some manner so I've never really taken notice of standalone behavior of either version. I usually top a struggling coating with Moonlight after a refresh, which offers alot of protection for how inexpensive and quick it is to apply.
Even though I tell them exactly what's going to happen, most people don't want to even *hear* they need a full recoat just a year later because they didn't do any friggin' maintenance and run it through car washes. So I have to compromise and stretch things out while still keeping my costs down and clients happy.
Thanks for getting back man! 👍✌
Hey brother, love love love the follow up videos. Thank you so much! I have this going on a black Dodge Ram very soon. 😊
Thanks my friend! Let me know how that application goes for you on the Ram!
Awesome video man. Looks like you got a good haul from Tim to try there. Now you have to get his ceramic matrix coating lol. This will be my next coating!
I just saw the release notice over on Instagram, would be really interesting to see how well the Graphene Matrix holds up side by side with the Ceramic Matrix! I'm getting good results with the rest of the Ethos line, I need to get some more testing in and possibly put up some more videos. Defy and Ceramic Refresh are good alternatives to one another, with Defy as the regular topper and Ceramic Refresh as the occasional topper to Ceramic Wax Pro. Foam Party is a fantastic foam cannon soap. Detox I've been blowing through this, smells really good, effective on leftover polish residue. Looking forward to the other cool stuff that Tim and his team are working on for the future!
WaxMode that would be cool to get some more videos on all of it. Yeah Tom has been hard at work and making some awesome products. He helped me get my coating back in shape as I was trying too many products. Now I just use the defy or the ceramic refresh just how you are using it. I prewash with foam party.
WaxMode! Nice to see yet another awesome video
Glad you enjoyed it Dylan!
Another great review and it looks like Ethos is legit. I just applied two coats of the Ethos ceramic wax and then topper it off with Defy. I’m super happy with the gloss, depth, and slickness. I have not seen the hydrophobic behavior yet as it has only been two days.
I’m definitely ordering more Ethos but I did see the Zymol Graphene is available on Carzilla. Test in the future?
Cheers Neil! Looking forward to seeing how it holds up for you. Zymol Atomic Graphene Shield I'm holding off on this, there's a couple guys posting feedback on it and I'm keeping a close eye on their updates on the forums. I think Adam's has a pretty good spray coating formula, I might pick up their Graphene Spray Coating to try out before Zymol Atomic.
Hey love your video’s .... I’m still waiting for you to try TLC Black Ice bud .... I did my truck .. did the full prep work ... this stuff went on easy ..it almost self levels ... couple of your RUclipsrs love it ...but I have to saw I like your opinions on these products !
Hey thanks Bruce! Appreciate the feedback on the Black Ice, glad to here it went on super easy for you. I heard a lot of guys have been having great results from the CeraTrim as well.
I'm having this done to my Highlander next week. Truck, bumpers and windows to the tune of $1400.00 but if it lasts as long as they claim it'll be worth it!!
That's definitely a high price, a lot going into paint correction to prep before coating, let me know how it holds up for you Don!
waxmode, what's your opinion on the ceramic soaps? are they worth it? do they actually help a coating? it would be interesting to see once a coating starts to take a hit if the can rejuvenate it at all.. probably hard to test ...thanks for the effort you put in these vids...
I actually don't have a lot of time behind those kinds of soaps outside of short term behavior tests. Performance impact is going to be minimal on fresh protectants, so if topping was my goal I would still recommend going with a dedicated topper after the wash. I might reserve a section of this Graphene Matrix Coating and use Ceramic Shampoo on it once it starts to diminish to see if there's a strong impact on the daily driver.
barry bij
I’ve seen many reviews and tested a few soaps, and they don’t offer much protection as a stand alone product on bare paint except one. Turtle Wax Ceramic Wash & Wax of their Hybrid Solutions line. Now this may not be the answer you’re looking for, but as far as an impact, this soap gave beating and water sheeting on bare paint with just one wash. So this soap might be the best bet for toppers during maintenance washing. Still like Waxmode said, using a dedicated silica spray sealant or ceramic infused topper would be best to boost performance/longevity of a coating.
Would like to see maybe some wheel acid, or some citrol as well. These cleaners are pretty effective at impacting spray ceramics, and sealants but (respectfully) are not known for having any effect on ceramic coatings, or this graphene one. I like the test but this is a true coating, these cleaners shouldn't affect it by design (the coating) so it's not exactly a surprise. Really compounding is the only reliable way to remove it and since that will work we probably need harsher chemicals.
It would be interesting to see how it would hold up to a flame (not suggesting catching it on fire) but like a blow torch or a heat gun, I think we would really need to look at serious ways to remove a coating to determine it's resistance. I don't think citrol will even effect it but it's kinda a given that a coating should be able to survive this, the stuff is pretty decent with sealants, and spray ceramics but there is a big difference between those and this so I suggest the goal should be to intentionally try to remove it just to see how long it can hold on short of compounding (or maybe test that as well).
Still love the video and it was interesting I like the idea but more than anything I would have been shocked if any of these had affected the coating.
Thanks Last Hope! I'm planning in the next test to pull out the Meguiar's Wheel Brightener at full strength, and then Optimum Power Clean and one of the iron removers that I have up on the shelf to see if we can cut through it any further with those. A lot of products have actually been pretty resistant against Wheel Brightener when they're fresh. So I might come out with a follow up video on this.
Citrol I still haven't picked up yet, I think that was one that was just a bit out of budget, I blow through aerosol bottles really quick doing these tests, thankfully Super Clean actually reached out to me and sent me additional Super Clean aerosols after watching a few of my videos.
Last Hope The whole blowtorch thing is a little bit of a novel test more than anything. Our cars are never going to be subject to flames in the real world, and if they were, you’d have bigger things to worry about than if your coating survived or not. You’d either be looking at a panel replacement with a complete respray and then subsequent reapplication of ceramic anyway, or at a total loss of the vehicle. Brian from Apex Detail does do tests like that though, so you should check out his channel if that’s more what you’re into. Chemical resistance provides a closer “idea” to wether some product will be durable or not. Just leaving a black panel out to bake under the sun would be as hot as I would wanna get anything for testing purposes, since that’s about as hot as a car’s paint will ever get (with the engine running simultaneously). Other than that, I see no point going any further.
@waxmode great vid. have you used Lithium CERAMIC SLAM? Thought on it vs TLC or TW ceramic spray?
do you suggest using the string dawn power wash to strip?
is it safe on paint
Good review Kyle 👍👍
Thanks Waxmode,
Would love to see which topper you recommend from Ethos. There Defy, ceramic shampoo or ceramic refresh !!!
Cheers
After that first wash all I do was 🙊🙊🙊 to the shine!!!
Just prepped my car, have a fresh bottle of Cquartz 3.0 UK and now torn on whether to put down the Ethos Graphene instead. What would Waxmode do? 😁 👍
Can't go wrong with CQUK 3.0! Tried and true coating, did a wash today after topping with Polish Angel Cosmic Spritz a few weeks ago and it looks absolutely fantastic. Ethos Graphene Matrix is looking really good so far, but we're in uncharted territory so if you already have the CQUK ready to go, I'd stick with it.
If I put this on my client's cars I would be sitting in their driveways watching the bead porn when it rains 🤣 . Nice vid mate 🤙
Haha! I might be one of the few to get excited when the rain is on its way, I'll be the one out there to wash the paint to prep it just for the rain!
I use purple power full strength to clean my cars, *make absolute sure it's cool* and it hurts nothing, and cleans everything off without scrubbing.
Damn. I’m impressed. After that purple power it did take a hit but it had already been bombarded with strong cleaners. Who knows, maybe there was still some stubborn residue left even after the reset wash. Either way, it’s still impressive how well it held up. This coating’s looking better and better as the time passes and I see more people’s experiences. I wonder if the Adam’s coating is the exact same thing, since they’re both manufactured by Adam’s. They wouldn’t ship to Puerto Rico though for some reason so I guess I’ll never know.
If you’re implying the Ethos and Adams coatings are the same, that’s far from the truth. Adams blends their products with B&B blending while Ethos blends their products in house. Two completely different companies even though they’re both made in the US. Ethos was just recently made available in Canada so I’m sure Tim is working on getting his products to other places around the world as well.
If they bring to Amazon will be great
You never really know what you're going to get with chemical resistance, even with some strong coatings out there. I've seen some be pretty heavily etched and damaged with one pass with a degreaser, and others have held up perfect. This is definitely some strong stuff, I might continue the tests until it really starts to degrade and keep track of how many passes it takes with the different products and maybe do a follow up video on that.
Jordan Adamowicz I’m not implying they ARE the same, just expressing some doubt on wether they MIGHT be. I was under the impression B&B was also the manufacturer for the Ethos coating. I’ll research it more when I get home, but in the meantime, would you provide me with a link with that info. Would be much appreciated!
Andres Rivera so you want a link with information that says Ethos coatings aren’t blended by B&B?
Many users do not get those results simply because of the prep stage, many cut corners on this part which is the most important in my experience.
Also wanted to ask griots perfecting cream vs sonax Perfect finish, which do you like more to prep for a protection step?
I think Sonax Perfect Finish is one of the best abrasives on the market. The level of gloss from the glossmeter is top tier, although most finishing polishes are quite close to one another after jeweling the paint, Sonax is definitely able to reach the upper tier numbers consistently. And then the wipeoff is just easier, cleaner, and smoother than most, very competitive with low dusting, good cutting ability.
Griot's Perfecting Cream, I think this is one to use if for whatever reason the Correcting Cream isn't finishing out quite as well with the specific paint type you're working on. I think Correcting Cream based on the numbers can finish out just as well as Perfecting Cream while providing more cut, so for one steps when I would need some cut without going too heavy, Correcting Cream is what I would be reaching for more often.
Correcting Cream and Perfecting Cream are not quite as easy to wipe off compared to Perfect Finish, and the gloss numbers are not quite as high as well. It's close, in between 0.3-1.0GU gloss difference which isn't going to be eye noticeable, but that's what the numbers say. So this is one of the reasons why Perfect Finish is so consistently recommended. But for the price, the Griot's are still absolutely fantastic, but I would say the gems of the Griot's lineup are Fast Correcting Cream and Correcting Cream, rather than Perfecting Cream. The Griot's abrasives also smell great across the board to me, another reason why I like them.
WaxMode thanks so much! From your input, they both sound great. Would love to see some paint correction videos if you ever feel like changing it up for a video or two! I’m sure your analysis on that would be top tier too
Great video!! 😎👍🏼
Thanks Tony!
WaxMode, what's your opinion on the new dawn powerwash vs purple power vehicle and boat wash?
The new Dawn Powerwash is much stronger cleaning ability and much more effective in knocking down fresh waxes for me compared to PPVBW at a strong dilution.
I hear this is pretty slick. What do you think?
Wish I had a 2 car garage to do this coating.
Hey Frank, this actually provides good slickness for a coating. It's not Power Lock levels of slickness, but certainly good slickness and much better compared my other favorites like CQUK 3.0. This was also very easy to work with even out in the sun where I was testing it on the fenders in the higher temperatures, even if you don't have the garage you could split up the application into sections and get the car coated over time.
WaxMode thanks. What microfibers do you use for coatings?
Good video as always......
What can I used to remove water spots and bird dropping stains ... all in one polishe .. or step by step ... i have a polisher .... its just the hood of my car...
Thanks
Sometimes the etching from bird bombs can be pretty deep in the paint, so just depending on how severe it is, it could be easy to clean up with a one step or require some heavier compounding. Water spot deposits can be tackled with various spot removers, I've been using 3D Eraser Gel with good results, I've also got Gyeon WaterSpot and CarPro Spotless which can work on fresher deposits. But once the water spot has created actual etching, then this will require polishing and like the bird bomb etching it's going to depend on the severity of the etch to determine how aggressive you have to be to fully remove them.
Most water spot etching I have to use at least a medium cut polish to really clean up, I would definitely look at both Griot's BOSS Fast Correcting Cream and Correcting Cream as polishing abrasives that are high quality and well priced if you're looking for recommendations.
@@WaxMode have you tried citrol? it removes both in most cases. especially if you catch it quick
Seems to be great in comparison to their ceramix wax, which has showed poor durabilty for what it claimed. Thanks!!!!!!!!!
Cheers Mark! Ceramic Wax Pro definitely likes to be topped, it was able to resist a bit of a dump with Strip Down but it's not going to be as hydrophobic as some others out there. Paired with Defy and Ceramic Refresh, they've behaved really well on the CWP sections on the other test car over the months. But absolutely, this Graphene Matrix Coating is on a completely different level of performance.
WaxMode yes, matrix is clearly on a different level. I tend to forget some LSP’s need to be topped somewhat often.
never a bad video from you!
Thanks Bel Lavoro! I appreciate it.
Why do you have two bottles of ethos ceramic wax pro? any reason for the color difference??
Hank's Detailing I noticed that too! Kind of weird
from what i can tell bigger bottle is 16oz and i think its an old formula..this wax used to come in 16oz for around 35.99.. now they changed it to 8 oz and cost around 29.. so now paying more for less product..i have the old formula which i really dont like it didnt last that long at all..so never bothered for new formula.
Amazed I have the bigger bottle. It’s a new formula from the first version. People seem to love it. But for me it never lasted long. Everything else was good. Yeah the smaller bottle is a lot more per ounce!
Amazed yeah I have the new formula I got out of a glovebox but am hesitant to try because people don’t really seem to get much durability out of it. It claims one year but I’ve only seen it last a few months, at least in terms of its hydrophobics at least
Hey Hank! I got the smaller bottle in the August GloveBox from Brad last month. I'll be checking for differences between the batches if any in future testing. I've got to check the date stamps, but I had the 16oz bottle of the Ceramic Wax Pro on the paint for a few months before I started topping it with Defy and Ceramic Refresh. CWP was still holding up by itself but it's not going to be a hydrophobic monster, so this is one that does prefer to be maintained regularly. Both Defy and Ceramic Refresh were able to really boost it back up and the boost with Ceramic Refresh was considerable.
no prep all on the panel? :(
I’m super super low on Prep-All, right now I’ve got Ceramic Matrix and Graphene Matrix side by side on the test panel in the process of running water spotting tests. Once I get done with that I may try hitting it with the last of the Prep-All and see how they hold up.
Does this coating work on glass?
I've got it applied to the rear glass section of the blue test Honda, went on well. I haven't tried applying this to any other glass yet.
@@WaxMode I’ve been very impressed with all of your vids, very professional and to the point. Just curious if you use any dedicated glass protection on your personal vehicles? I’m in south Florida so I’m always on the search for something better. I have been impressed with Gtechniq G5 for my glass followed by a close 2nd with Kamakazie Intenso..
The Rag Company: Graphene coatings are just ceramic.
Gtechniq: a true Graphene coating would cost 900 bucks!
Ethos enters the chat.
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@@ethoscarcare I know, right? I'm looking forward to your graphene infused spray products and please, have them available in the UK! 🙏🙏🙏
What dilution do you run reset when you use it?
I believe that normal dilution is about 500:1, 30ml per 15 litres of water.
Yep I'm at 500:1 dilution of Reset during washes.
How do you top graphene coatings?
Ethos has a Graphene based topping called Defy that can be used on maintenance washes.
As Christopher said, Ethos recommends their Defy right now as a maintenance topper to keep up on slickness and gloss for the Graphene Matrix, but I don't think Defy is graphene infused. Based on PapaSmurf918's results though he's topped Graphene Matrix with Defy and saw no negative result.
1st from Puerto Rico 👍🇵🇷
😭😭😭😭😂😂😂
Te iba a decir q no pero sí, fuiste el primero 😂
@@groundcontrol6876 Tranquilo hermano que aunque no seamos el primero seguimos apoyando poniendo el número que hacemos en posición de nuestros comentarios a los compañeros.
We need this in the U.K 😔
3rd!
Mr. Eric, I was lucky to be 1st since just arrived home from the hospital.
Humberto Roche Garcia why?? What’s wrong???
@@henryfreeman6113 Oh, sorry. Nothing wrong with me. One of my youngest cousins was involved in an accident last week which he didn't cause. He was on his motorcycle in a traffic stop. It was raining and road was slippery. The traffic light turned green for him and a truck coming from the left slipped. The car to his right basically protected him while they were crossing but still had the disadvantage of being in a motorcycle. He got broken right clavicle, fractures of right leg in 3 parts, both arms broken and shoulder dislocated and broken. He is lucky/blessed to be alive.
@@1stfrompuertorico568 Sorry to hear about that Humberto, hopefully the recovery goes well for your cousin!
@@WaxMode Thanks Mr. Kyle! ✊🙏
I will soon order the Ethos Graphene coating first for my car. Obviously, living in Puerto Rico the application and flash will change from what you, PapaSmurf918 and the Brian's (Apex Detail and FAB Automotive Detailing) have experienced since our year long temperature is normally above 85 and above 75% humidity. This year, I uploaded a video on the Ethos site on the Interior Detailer(Humberto R) which I did in Spanish/English after my experience with the first oil change on my car at the dealer and what they sprayed in it(due to covid-19), so hope to load another one on my Graphene coating experience.
Ethos or Adams graphene is the question!
Apparently Ethos gets their formulation from Adams, so Adams graphene should be better right? They wouldn't give their competitor a superior formulation.
Tim can pipe in but I think he creates the formula himself.
We have no affiliation with Adams we work independently with our team of chemists.
Incorrect. Adams is not original is what you mean. Adams buys from B&B blending
@@ethoscarcare Shit this feels like I've been caught by the teacher in school or something 🤣 a side be side comparison would be nice is all I'm saying.
Chemical resistant tests are dumb imo. If the wax/sealant/coating can with stand orange or purple citrus degreaser that'll be good enough for 90% of people.
I like to see them, always fun to see just what these products can withstand, but I've always felt it's deadly to be ranking the top products by how well they can hold up to chemicals.
Bead p orn channel 👀👍