Reach: Green’s way of saying “If I can’t have flying, no one can!” Edit: You may want to update either the old title to state it’s outdated, or this title to state it’s the 2021 version.
I used to have a Cloud Thresher when I was a kid, and I thought it was awesome. I loved building cool flying decks like drakes and dragons, and the folks I played with also liked building around fliers, such as angels, and I always thought it was great (and it looked funky and cool, so that helped).
Nizzahon, out of curiosity can a card lose points under your system if the player was retroactively disqualified for some reason? like caught cheating or something like that?
It seems like that would be so rare and unimpactful (only 1 or 2 points) that it’s kinda not worth the time put in to check every competition for potential top 8 disqualifications prior to the event, and we would never know unless Nizza took time out of the video to tell us anyway
Cards like the Aboreal glazer show that the rarity of a card can sometimes be misjudged. Would be interesting to see which other common creatures did well in the highest forms of magic competition.
let's be honest though: with WotC's recent design choices, a green common has very good chances to be more powerful than most of white and red red rares.
Rarity of a card only really matters to your bank account, and in sealed formats. How often a card randomly shows up is a big deal. And you have to have at least a few powerful commons in draft/(some)cube/sealed. Otherwise players would basically be forced to play the best four cards per pack. No matter what the cost, or color, or what the effects of the card are. Which would remove a lot of the skill involved in deck building in those formats. And I believe it would make the people who lucked out and found synergy at even more of an advantage. Strong decks would be stronger and weak decks would be weaker. All in all. Not having powerful commons and uncommons, would literally turn those formats into playing craps. And nobody wants that.
In standard, Deadly Recluse was good because of Reach due to Thundernaw Hellkite being heavily played. Even its flavor text was meant to reference its use against dragons. But yeah, Reach is rarely good by itself. Deadly Recluse also needs Deathtouch. Can you tell I love spiders?
Well, Reach isn't far reaching. It's not used in offense. It's only used in defense against fliers. And it doesn't do anything else - defense against fliers (and a few other flier-like cards). You're going to be hard-pressed to find a renowned card where Reach is the primary focus of its accolades.
Creatures with only one ever-green ability are unlikely to see play even in standard. Imagine a 5-5 for 5 with trample or 4-4 flying creature for 4. You would definitely not play them in constructed. There are just better options. Only crazy stat-boost effect and a single keyword may change your mind, imo
Reach is a large part of what makes Elder Gargaroth so good. Really, it's a combination of everything that it does, but it wouldn't be _nearly_ as good without reach because flying aggro decks would just wreck green decks that had Gargaroth as their top end.
@@SkyBlade79 It was, when you didn't have powerful dual lands. (or mana generating creatures/artifacts.) Nowadays? Mana cost ia a fucking joke. Unless it's 5 of a single color in the cost, it means nothing to any deck.
I wonder how long it's gonna take Endurance to inevitably climb to number 1, it's already an ultra-staple in every format it's legal in, being among the top 3 most played creatures in Modern, Legacy and Vintage right now. It's also a card that greatly benefits from having reach, as it currently is one of the best creatures against Insectile Aberration//Delver of Secrets as well. I also feel that saying Arboreal Grazer has been used in "ramp decks" in Pioneer and Modern is too general and slightly incorrect, as the Grazer is only specifically played in Lotus Field combo decks in Pioneer (which don't ramp in the normal sense) and only specifically in Amulet Titan decks in Modern. Similarly, Elder Gargaroth in Modern is only used in Ponza/Gruul Midrange decks, which also aren't really dedicated ramp decks.
I've been debating building something around Gargaroth or World Breaker lately. They're both pretty incredible, but modern is moving so fast I'm not sure either card will be playable before too much longer. E Tron has found an opening, but G Tron and U Tron have been falling by the wayside. Stoneforge Mystic, Ragavan and Urza's Saga are just lightning fast, and I'm not sure if there are older cards that can handle being sideboard options to deal with it. Alpine Moon is nice for Saga, but forces you to splash red somewhere. It's a little strange seeing dorks like Noble Hierarch drop out of lists too when they double as bodies to remove Ragavan... Not that I'm complaining, but I am a little concerned how homogeneous decks will appear in the next few months vs how many decent brews pop up that combat this new and powerful meta.
Elder gargaroth, realy good one! also it makes 3/3 token or gain 3 life or let you draw a card & it´s not legendary. I would choose this is the best reach creature ever i think. not too much to hardcast it and also you could attack with it and block again to trigger his ability twice because he has vigilance. In reanimator decks is a combo with grave titan 6/6 deathtouch and when it enters or attacks create 2 2/2 zombie token. The grave titan is even harder on the battlefield but elder gagaroth is also a good choice because of his flexibility. A really good card!
I would say TOO good: like Questing Beast, a perfect example of WotC simply overpushing green and its creatures. The gargaroth in my opinion should have no right to have Vigilance (a keyword green stole from poor White) and gain life (I'd dare to say also drawing a card). A 5 CMC 6/6 reach trampler that creates 3/3s every time it attacks or block would have been close to a bomb in every other colour, but of course since it is in green WotC had to push it even further. Disclaimer: yes, I hate green (or at least what it has become in the last few years, namely the go-to good at everything best at most colour).
@@ROMANTIKILLER2 thats why i play reanimation. every new edition i watch up for better creatures as reanimation targets. elder gargaroth was one of it. i bought it from cardmarket very early, for 10-11€ now you have to pay much more for one of it. even also i just need one of these new creatures for my deck, even if they are legendary creatures. i´m sure that this card could be much more worth in future. also the double sized lands and the recovered fetch lands could be much more worth if they actually cost on cardmarket. but a green deck could hardcast him maybe in turn 2 or 3 in best case. it´s also even the cheapest reanimation target in my deck but one of the best.
Wotc printing elder gargorth in the same core set where they reprinted Baneslayer Angel feels like a deliberate insult for the sake of demonstrating how much they’ve power crept the game over a decade later.
I quit MTG long ago for other reasons, but just looking at some of the nonsense that has come out since then makes me wish I could double quit it. The power creep seems ridiculous, my condolences to anyone still invested.
Does anyone ever choose the Reach option on Atarka's Command? I get that the card has the ability to grant Reach but it seems like if I rarely ever is chosen then it shouldn't be on the list
I'm surprised my favorite isn'ton the list the gg2 that when an opponent casts a instant or sorcery you get a 1/2 token, great way to deal with removal, you get at least something heh.
I would like to disagree with you that in a couple years Worldbreaker will stay at number 1. My guess is there is a new card that will "reach" the number 1 slot. Endurance.
Robber of the rich never uses reach though lol xd. Listing reach cards this way doesnt really give a good overview, although it might show that reach is just not good enough ability to get a creature played alone.
Damn, I'm really gonna have to *reach* hard for a way to shill "Top 10 Vintage Cards (Minus Power 9)" in this video. I hope you guys can *grasp* how much I'm struggling. Maybe I'd be better off *stretching* this punfest a few more sentences. Nah.
I am not sure how good this topic would fit but is it too greedy to ask for a list that actually lists THE Top 10 or heck even more cards that just have the most points without any caveats or limitations? Something that I would love to know, too, is what cards released in any given year put up the most point. Something akin to "MTG Top 10: 2000" or something
Given that a number of these lists would easily take 24+ hours of research, recording and editing apiece with their particular topics, I'm gonna say no or they're not very likely to happen unless he's just really running out of categories or someone is paying him enough to put in extra hours for that
Reach is so whack, hating flying things is such a weak part of green’s identity, it doesn’t even make sense cause things fly in nature all the time. Not to mention the biggest card in the latest set is a green flyer.
first of all trying to change your body type is an exercise in futility. secondly there's nothing at all wrong with being any body type. thirdly someone else's body type doesn't affect you at all
@@alaraplatt8104 1, changing your body type and working on yourself improves your mood and it makes a better image for yourself, 2. It doesn't need to affect me, but seems how I do care about others health I suggest people that sit inside and talk on RUclips all day or are actually obese go outside and workout. You may think it's a pointless endeavor to better your appearance and make yourself look actually appealing, but when you have a self-esteem of a brick I want to expect anybody to really understand what taking care of yourself really means.
@@66bloodmoon when i say it's an exercise in futility i mean you cannot do it. it would be like trying to change your height or your blood type. it cannot be done and the most healthy thing to do would be to stop thinking of weight as a bad thing. there is no way to change your body type in any way that isnt extremely temporary and more importantly, there is no reason to do it because there is literally nothing wrong with any body type
@@alaraplatt8104 yeah actually there is. Working out and take care of yourself is how you do it. Are you so daft you can't look up exercise routines or talk to a personal trainer. That might be the dumbest freaking thing I have ever heard on RUclips. Comparing the two blood type and height is completely two different things. Blood is dictated by your parents and when you're born, your height is also dictated by your genetics. If you take care of yourself you can get rid of the obesity fat etc so give me that crap. That is by far the dumbest thing I have heard in the RUclips comment section of any video. Try telling that to a friend of mine that was over 300 lb lost weight and got in the shape. Try telling that to my mom that lost the weight and got into shape.
@@alaraplatt8104 and as for body shapes. Go away with your woke crap. Everybody's shape is perfect no it's not. I'm so sick of hearing that body positivity crap.
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Alternate tittle: 10 pretty good cards (that happen to have reach)
Fair point
With the exception of Cloudthraser, which actively utilizes Reach.
No one change the like count
"However it has plummetted in the rankings..."
Heh, I understood that reference...
Destroy flyer
Just found out that the card out background for the scoring system (1:56) is for a card called, "Captive Audience". Genius!
Indeed
Heh I remember back when it was added during the latest Ravnica block
Reach: Green’s way of saying “If I can’t have flying, no one can!”
Edit: You may want to update either the old title to state it’s outdated, or this title to state it’s the 2021 version.
They do have a lot of board wipes for flyers like hurricane or my personal favorite heaven/earth
That is, until red decided it was there keyword.
Red got it in Planar Chaos, it just took a decade to stick.
I used to have a Cloud Thresher when I was a kid, and I thought it was awesome. I loved building cool flying decks like drakes and dragons, and the folks I played with also liked building around fliers, such as angels, and I always thought it was great (and it looked funky and cool, so that helped).
Lorwyn Elementals have some of the best MTG creature arts of all time. Reveillark is my favorite because it looks like an old school "Angel".
"Elder Gargaroth brings a ton of value to the table."
Which is true, which is why putting Pacifsm on it feels so good.
I really enjoy the "updated rankings" videos. I find it interesting to see how things have changed over time.
Glad you like them!
Nizzahon, out of curiosity can a card lose points under your system if the player was retroactively disqualified for some reason? like caught cheating or something like that?
It seems like that would be so rare and unimpactful (only 1 or 2 points) that it’s kinda not worth the time put in to check every competition for potential top 8 disqualifications prior to the event, and we would never know unless Nizza took time out of the video to tell us anyway
Cards like the Aboreal glazer show that the rarity of a card can sometimes be misjudged.
Would be interesting to see which other common creatures did well in the highest forms of magic competition.
let's be honest though: with WotC's recent design choices, a green common has very good chances to be more powerful than most of white and red red rares.
I don't think a Common doing well means that a card's rarity was misjudged.
@@NizzahonMagic What does it mean otherwise? I don't have another explanation.
Rarity of a card only really matters to your bank account, and in sealed formats.
How often a card randomly shows up is a big deal. And you have to have at least a few powerful commons in draft/(some)cube/sealed. Otherwise players would basically be forced to play the best four cards per pack. No matter what the cost, or color, or what the effects of the card are. Which would remove a lot of the skill involved in deck building in those formats. And I believe it would make the people who lucked out and found synergy at even more of an advantage. Strong decks would be stronger and weak decks would be weaker.
All in all. Not having powerful commons and uncommons, would literally turn those formats into playing craps. And nobody wants that.
@@YatzeeWillWearAGreenHat I ment to tag you in the last comment. Hope it helps...
It would probably be a good idea for these updated lists to have some indicator that they're updated.
I love how almost every card has reach as a secondary ability (I mean that they aren't good because of the reach, but for their other abilities)
In standard, Deadly Recluse was good because of Reach due to Thundernaw Hellkite being heavily played. Even its flavor text was meant to reference its use against dragons. But yeah, Reach is rarely good by itself. Deadly Recluse also needs Deathtouch. Can you tell I love spiders?
Well, Reach isn't far reaching.
It's not used in offense. It's only used in defense against fliers. And it doesn't do anything else - defense against fliers (and a few other flier-like cards).
You're going to be hard-pressed to find a renowned card where Reach is the primary focus of its accolades.
Creatures with only one ever-green ability are unlikely to see play even in standard. Imagine a 5-5 for 5 with trample or 4-4 flying creature for 4. You would definitely not play them in constructed. There are just better options. Only crazy stat-boost effect and a single keyword may change your mind, imo
Reach is a large part of what makes Elder Gargaroth so good. Really, it's a combination of everything that it does, but it wouldn't be _nearly_ as good without reach because flying aggro decks would just wreck green decks that had Gargaroth as their top end.
This is the fate of defensive abilities. Do you expect a defender in the defender list thats there just because it has good stats?
I like how you snuck in the word "plummet" a couple of times in this video. Top notch quality ;)
You can reach me by spiders, man. You can reach me by Atarka's command.
I don't care how you get here, just get here if you can.
“If flyers are getting you down..” Lol! Thank you for making my day.
i dont like cards where the only downside is the rarity
Yeah, current standard is plagued by those. Mana Cost and Rarity aren't downsides, Wizards. Get your shit together.
throne of eldraine eugggh
@@hitlord mana cost is a downside for sure?
@@SkyBlade79 It was, when you didn't have powerful dual lands. (or mana generating creatures/artifacts.)
Nowadays? Mana cost ia a fucking joke. Unless it's 5 of a single color in the cost, it means nothing to any deck.
Give it a few years and Endurance will make it to the top 3 easily!
Geez, did you run out of ideas? This one is a bit of a reach
Ew. Take my like.
@@elliotthood1719 I know, I hate it too
I wonder how long it's gonna take Endurance to inevitably climb to number 1, it's already an ultra-staple in every format it's legal in, being among the top 3 most played creatures in Modern, Legacy and Vintage right now. It's also a card that greatly benefits from having reach, as it currently is one of the best creatures against Insectile Aberration//Delver of Secrets as well.
I also feel that saying Arboreal Grazer has been used in "ramp decks" in Pioneer and Modern is too general and slightly incorrect, as the Grazer is only specifically played in Lotus Field combo decks in Pioneer (which don't ramp in the normal sense) and only specifically in Amulet Titan decks in Modern. Similarly, Elder Gargaroth in Modern is only used in Ponza/Gruul Midrange decks, which also aren't really dedicated ramp decks.
I've been debating building something around Gargaroth or World Breaker lately. They're both pretty incredible, but modern is moving so fast I'm not sure either card will be playable before too much longer. E Tron has found an opening, but G Tron and U Tron have been falling by the wayside. Stoneforge Mystic, Ragavan and Urza's Saga are just lightning fast, and I'm not sure if there are older cards that can handle being sideboard options to deal with it. Alpine Moon is nice for Saga, but forces you to splash red somewhere. It's a little strange seeing dorks like Noble Hierarch drop out of lists too when they double as bodies to remove Ragavan... Not that I'm complaining, but I am a little concerned how homogeneous decks will appear in the next few months vs how many decent brews pop up that combat this new and powerful meta.
E tron?? I'm interested
@@cameronkueneman2519 probably Eldrazi Tron
I love when we revisit a old top 10 because we get to see more cards :D
Elder gargaroth, realy good one! also it makes 3/3 token or gain 3 life or let you draw a card & it´s not legendary.
I would choose this is the best reach creature ever i think.
not too much to hardcast it and also you could attack with it and block again to trigger his ability twice because he has vigilance.
In reanimator decks is a combo with grave titan 6/6 deathtouch and when it enters or attacks create 2 2/2 zombie token.
The grave titan is even harder on the battlefield but elder gagaroth is also a good choice because of his flexibility.
A really good card!
I would say TOO good: like Questing Beast, a perfect example of WotC simply overpushing green and its creatures. The gargaroth in my opinion should have no right to have Vigilance (a keyword green stole from poor White) and gain life (I'd dare to say also drawing a card).
A 5 CMC 6/6 reach trampler that creates 3/3s every time it attacks or block would have been close to a bomb in every other colour, but of course since it is in green WotC had to push it even further.
Disclaimer: yes, I hate green (or at least what it has become in the last few years, namely the go-to good at everything best at most colour).
@@ROMANTIKILLER2 thats why i play reanimation. every new edition i watch up for better creatures as reanimation targets. elder gargaroth was one of it. i bought it from cardmarket very early, for 10-11€ now you have to pay much more for one of it. even also i just need one of these new creatures for my deck, even if they are legendary creatures. i´m sure that this card could be much more worth in future. also the double sized lands and the recovered fetch lands could be much more worth if they actually cost on cardmarket. but a green deck could hardcast him maybe in turn 2 or 3 in best case. it´s also even the cheapest reanimation target in my deck but one of the best.
Reach is super cool, it makes spiders so fun
Really enjoying this rehash series of previous lists. I'm pretty excited to see the next one, as well as whatever you make next!
Glad you like them!
Wotc printing elder gargorth in the same core set where they reprinted Baneslayer Angel feels like a deliberate insult for the sake of demonstrating how much they’ve power crept the game over a decade later.
Feels bad man
I hate power creep so much.
I quit MTG long ago for other reasons, but just looking at some of the nonsense that has come out since then makes me wish I could double quit it. The power creep seems ridiculous, my condolences to anyone still invested.
Very true, although I would say that it also demonstrates how they power-crept mostly creatures and green in particular.
Atarka's Command at 10????? That's a reach.
You're welcome.
Does anyone ever choose the Reach option on Atarka's Command? I get that the card has the ability to grant Reach but it seems like if I rarely ever is chosen then it shouldn't be on the list
I mean it also gives +1/+1 so yes?
would love another look at the indestructible list sometime
It'll happen.
I'm surprised my favorite isn'ton the list the gg2 that when an opponent casts a instant or sorcery you get a 1/2 token, great way to deal with removal, you get at least something heh.
Ty 4 the dedication in each and every one of your videos
Love your work! Keep it going with the top 10 every week !
I would like to disagree with you that in a couple years Worldbreaker will stay at number 1. My guess is there is a new card that will "reach" the number 1 slot. Endurance.
Endurance definitely has shot, but it is going to be awhile before it gets close to World Breaker. Like 5+ years.
@@NizzahonMagic Not if its played everywhere. World Breaker is only in some modern Tron decks Endurance is on modern, legacy, and even vintage.
I love these lists thank you man
Glad you like them!
was there any point in time when Ishkanah was in first?
If you’d gotten to the end of the last and told me Questing Beast had reach too I wouldn’t have been surprised
You know after doing two mana 3/1's, two mana 1/3's could make for an interesting list.
Great top 10 as always!
Glad you enjoyed!
It wouldn't surprise me if Lolth, Spider Queen makes this list eventually.
Robber of the rich never uses reach though lol xd. Listing reach cards this way doesnt really give a good overview, although it might show that reach is just not good enough ability to get a creature played alone.
Stonecoil Serpent ‘scales’ all game long :)
watching this at 10pm
ITS FRIDAY? oh crap!
Nice to see Reach getting pushed by virtue of green's continual, rampant power creep.
Looking at most of these cards: wait that thing has reach?
lotta big red hot +0's in this one.
and also a lot of post WAR era cards that just got +20 in a year out of nowhere.
I was totally expecting Gargaroth to be #1
Was I the only person who didn’t even know robber of the rich had reach?
Damn, I'm really gonna have to *reach* hard for a way to shill "Top 10 Vintage Cards (Minus Power 9)" in this video. I hope you guys can *grasp* how much I'm struggling. Maybe I'd be better off *stretching* this punfest a few more sentences. Nah.
oh my god, robber of the rich has reach, it took me a good 10 seconds to realize what was it doing here
He's an archer (Robin Hood).
I don't know if you've already done this, but how about a top ten list of just your favorite cards? No other category qualifiers, just your favorites.
I have done a general video on that topic, and I also do one for every year.
@@NizzahonMagic I'll have to check through your videos and find it.
Ah cloudthresher the card that's show who I am as a player that is I hate flyers
Well nizzahon time for artifacts
You should make another just so I have good ideas for my dhalsim deck 📝
Creature with reach.....Reature?
Whole time I was hoping to see world breaker.
so those 5 cards no longer on the list, you could say...
they couldn't reach
Arbor colossus plummeted…i see what you did there 🤓
Flying hate gives me life
Nizzahon rules!
Wheres arathra? :(
I am not sure how good this topic would fit but is it too greedy to ask for a list that actually lists THE Top 10 or heck even more cards that just have the most points without any caveats or limitations? Something that I would love to know, too, is what cards released in any given year put up the most point. Something akin to "MTG Top 10: 2000" or something
Given that a number of these lists would easily take 24+ hours of research, recording and editing apiece with their particular topics, I'm gonna say no or they're not very likely to happen unless he's just really running out of categories or someone is paying him enough to put in extra hours for that
Ruric Thar -> they
Ive never thought about that.
I wonder though, do they go to a he if one head is decapitated?
@@henrymarshall8825 You'd have to ask Ruric or Thar.
So many new cards. Kind of busted what we get nowadays.
Can you do a video on best tribal cards? Btw: I
Already did it
@@NizzahonMagic sorry, I’m dumb :)
Reach is so whack, hating flying things is such a weak part of green’s identity, it doesn’t even make sense cause things fly in nature all the time. Not to mention the biggest card in the latest set is a green flyer.
Why the F does endurance have reach?! 🤣🤣🤣
So it blocks Delver of Secrets/Insectile Aberration (with flash)
Top 10 ladies looking left when?
World breaker?
Edit:
Ayyyyyy
Second
MERFOLK!!!
Early gang
Swiffer sucks
Spartans never die. They just g...
My bad. Wrong channel.
You should do yourself in favor, start working out instead of worrying about cards.
first of all trying to change your body type is an exercise in futility. secondly there's nothing at all wrong with being any body type. thirdly someone else's body type doesn't affect you at all
@@alaraplatt8104 1, changing your body type and working on yourself improves your mood and it makes a better image for yourself, 2. It doesn't need to affect me, but seems how I do care about others health I suggest people that sit inside and talk on RUclips all day or are actually obese go outside and workout. You may think it's a pointless endeavor to better your appearance and make yourself look actually appealing, but when you have a self-esteem of a brick I want to expect anybody to really understand what taking care of yourself really means.
@@66bloodmoon when i say it's an exercise in futility i mean you cannot do it. it would be like trying to change your height or your blood type. it cannot be done and the most healthy thing to do would be to stop thinking of weight as a bad thing. there is no way to change your body type in any way that isnt extremely temporary and more importantly, there is no reason to do it because there is literally nothing wrong with any body type
@@alaraplatt8104 yeah actually there is. Working out and take care of yourself is how you do it. Are you so daft you can't look up exercise routines or talk to a personal trainer. That might be the dumbest freaking thing I have ever heard on RUclips. Comparing the two blood type and height is completely two different things. Blood is dictated by your parents and when you're born, your height is also dictated by your genetics. If you take care of yourself you can get rid of the obesity fat etc so give me that crap. That is by far the dumbest thing I have heard in the RUclips comment section of any video. Try telling that to a friend of mine that was over 300 lb lost weight and got in the shape. Try telling that to my mom that lost the weight and got into shape.
@@alaraplatt8104 and as for body shapes. Go away with your woke crap. Everybody's shape is perfect no it's not. I'm so sick of hearing that body positivity crap.
solid proof that green has gone out of control in the past few years (something i never thought i'd say)
Looking at most of these cards: wait that thing has reach?