Army Tent vs Yurt, How Does the Off Grid Army Tent Do In Bad Weather?
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
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In the last video we asked the question, which is better for your mountain property a yurt or an army tent? We really like both options! We talk about the pros and cons here. This tent will be taken down before the heavy part of Winter hits and it has been the right fit for us to provide extra space as well as give our company room to visit for the 2017 total solar eclipse (we are directly in the eclipse path) and while we build our home. #essentialmountainhomesteading #homesteading #ruralliving #cabinbuilder #homebuilder #diyhomebuild #howtobuild #cabinliving #mountainliving
We doubled the size and added a hot shower and a fireplace.
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Wondering where you bought your tent?
@@anthonyking4512 we got this tent ⛺ in Idaho falls, Idaho at a army surplus store. I bet if you Google it they will come up. It was $1575.00 four years ago. Definitely build the platform.
@essentialmountainhomestead what is the name of this tent? we have the same one but no frame. We are trying to find a frame for it. The writing is hard to read on ours.
It was fun to see your video. Wife and I are going into our fourth winter here in the Ozarks. We purchased a 18X32 command tent. Last winter we had -8 degrees, so far no real heavy snow, but when it dose come down its easy from the inside to keep the roof clear.
Good luck and enjoy your tent. BTW Ann and I are in our 80's and it works for us it should be a walk in the park for a young lad such as yourself.
Rick & Ann
2X4's would be your best bet for taking up some of that slack on the roof if you're worried about it. Don't use 550 cord because it'll stretch and won't be that great. That's probably one of the easiest tents the Army has to set up. If you didn't build the platform one person who knew what they were doing could set it up from start to finish in an hour. Rember to sew the seams on the roof before you stand it up then sew the side seams after that.
When I was in Afghanistan they covered some of the tents in 3 inches of spray foam on the out side it was very strong in the snow. It's a option. plus they framed a door. A outer door and mud room space with inner door.
Great video. Really enjoyed this as I am very interested in RV and off grid living and this tent would make an amazing alternative home at minimal cost. The platform is a great idea
You regulate the temperature by adjusting the air to the fire. So it's better to have your stove on the larger side than smaller.
10th Mountain use them up at Fort Drum with no problems. We used them in Saudi and they withstood all the major sand storms. Put so many up I see them in my sleep lolololol
When I was at Drum our motto was, Travel Light, Freeze at Night.
Cbw Mama never saw a tent in
Saudi slept in the back of our pc!! stopped the bullets better than a tent!!
Great job. This setup has a lot of potential. No problem with year round setup.
they hold up really well, even with ice here around bragg in the south.Another option we did with them in the old days, was put 2x4 walls in them.It gives options for shelves and more support for your extra snow or ice rafters.Put 2x2s on a slant matching the tent wall every four, or two feet attached to the 2x4 wall.it makes the wall more stable, and more places to attach the tent too. One of the side affects is it quiets down the flapping of the canvass. All that for a few hundred bucks more and can be done anytime after it is put up.For hot summers you can put the cheap sheet insulation on the tent side of the interior wall to stop radiant heat.One of the side affects? again even quieter, and helps in the winter. Don't forget to frame around your windows and save the insulation squares to cover them up later if you need it.And its still cheaper than a yurt.
Just a suggestion, run some 2" ratchet straps or even just some good 2" webbing from one side to the other across the top of the ridge pole. place sheets of 1" or 2" insulating foam above straps and then tighten the straps. Gain insulation, increase snow bearing ability and reduce any noise from canvas flapping in the wind.
That tent is really durable as we had them when i was in the service. This unit also has a liner for the inside that is an insilator for cold weather. Although i still prefer the older military tents such as the GP Large, GP Medium, or the GP Small. These tents also come with a liner to insulate them.
Where could I purchase a tent like this?
Run paracord between the metal frame like a net pattern.
You have Steel tube supports you won't have a problem adding more support tubing to hold up snow. Looks like a great tent.
Good video, thanks. No criticism intended when I observe that a vapor barrier under the ply wouldn't have been expensive or time consuming. Nice to have the army of guys available to help you out.
I was thinking of buying one for the outhouse/shithole and outpost project. Clearly for waterproofing and quick set up/temporary stay.
i would get some 2x4 timbers with hangers on each end and brace the ceiling every 2 foot to hold the snow then put an insulated layer and lock it in with 2x1 . safe and toasty . love the tent its a great space . apply these kind of measures and leave it up . it will hold its own .
Wow super cool tent, useful for many occasions.
"How Does the Off Grid Army Tent Do In Bad Weather"..... ummmmm.... who knows??? It definitely wasn't answered or even proven in this video.
Im pretty sure the Army tested it and Im bettin they didnt have nice floor in it. Lol Also they dont care if your comfortable the drill Sgts are very specific about that lmao
Nothing matches that feeling when you get a cot near the heating port in winter. Blessed.
CommonCentsRob .......don't think he is interested in showing the answer
forget everything I said before, this is not a frame tent like I knew, wow, what a great tent, built in windows with screens...anyhow it was dark in last video and I thought it was a standard frame tent...been retired too long...
I don't think your stove will be too much. Probably just right. I have been using mine with a stove from four dog stove company and while I love their stove, I think a slightly bigger stove like the one you have will excel in this tent. Oh, and by the way. Just setting it up on the dirt? I have set up the tent in 2 hours with two men. Maybe even less! Once took it down in a snow storm in 1 hour when we needed to bug out or be snowed in! Probably had 8" of snow, and it all slid off except for a very, very small amount. It is a tough tent! And well made! If you are worried about snow load, as I mentioned before, think about a tarp system above the tent! This tent will stand up. There are also surplus military tent repair kits available.
No liner? We had a liner in ours during Desert Storm ... the temperature went down below freezing, but with a kerosene heater, the liner and ventilation about a dozen of us sleep quite comfortably. No humidity issues with the liner ... the only problem was my bunk was near the front entrance so I got dusted whenever someone took too much time coming in or going out during a dust storm. It also rained on us a lot (weird for Saudi Arabia, I know :P ) but we dug a ditch around the perimeter and used wooden pallets and purloined wall to wall carpeting keep us up off the ground.
where do you get the liner
No need to worry about snow. It will slide off. The angle is good and the tent have good integrity. Besides, if you heat the tent the snow will melt against the tent wall if you get much of it which will make it slide off even faster.
Bamboo grid for the inner roof support, tools needed a saw, rasp or a corse file, angle grinder with sanding disc's, & paracord or zip ties and something to cover the ends of the bamboo to prevent the bamboo from puncturing the tent maby plumbing pvc caps
Enjoyed the Vid.
As for the snow buildup, There are plenty of ROOF SNOW REMOVAL RAKES
available on the market. Just go out and in 5 minutes, you can relieve
the weight problem with your tent roof.
Your answer is 3/4 or 1-1/2 unistrut. The holes and sliding clamps feature make it the most versatile building material available. A menagerie of options.
For my hunting tent i just use a tarp on the roof, angled the snow load slides off, or easy to bring the snow off.
Now that is a tent !! I hope you figure out the snow load problem. You know how much STUFF accumulates in a living space. You will need another container and you will have to move it in and out !! A lot of travel trailer people buys the aluminum carports and put them over there homes here in Florida.
One of the best channels on a cabin tent is JoeandZachSurvival. He started his tent years ago and has added on over the years. He is in major snow country and has built a set up that would be fit for a King and company. If interested just look up "The Tent. How it all started". If really interested just watch his tent video's because there is nothing he has added that we have not seen over the years. His shower in it is well worth watching.
Nice digs.
Im gonna go with a army tent , 16 x 16 , I really like the windows ,
These tents are awesome 👌
run a few extra beams between the main roof posts you could also run LED lighting for use when at night or when the window flaps are down
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
You are welcome.
Nice video. Seen other folks that build roof over, kind of like car port. Keeps snow off, etc.
The little stove is perfect, just build a smaller fire. When I was in Hohenfel Germany out in the field, or as they call it "The Box" it hit -60 with wind chill and we were able to keep the tent at 45 degrees and stayed pretty comfortable.
Hey EMH, great vids, and, re: the 'snow load concern', I'd suggest looking into 'theater scaffold bracing' - The connectors are not like the 'chintzy flattened-end pipe' style, with a hole / cotter pin, but rather have a cast 'C' connector at each end, with a 'clip' that's sort of like a 'retractable, spring loaded thumb' - It 'clips around' the bars, and can be removed / re-riveted onto a pipe (usually, they use alum. = easy to cut, to-length..) then you could just clip them on to your ridge poles and side cross-bars... We've had ours since the early 90's (!) still in great shape, but having a bit of a time finding the Co. info, online, to give you a link.. Will post-up, asap.
I like this idea. Thinking about putting one in my old barn. Would add some more protection and save cleaning snow off it.
tents like this one where set up during the korean war and handled a good amount of snowloads , they are also used in alaska as wll im sure they can handle a decent amount of snow . also you can use extendable poles like heavy duty shower rods or closet rods if they length you need is equal to what they have.also if you keep it heated the snow will melt pretty fast not leaving a load on the roof.
What a great idea..tent living...
A lot of large tents here have a secondary top roof to provide a roof gap, mainly to help keep the tent cool, but it would work to cold weather too.
If you reinforce that roof with aircraft cabling from a portable garage it should hold the winter. If I'm not mistaken I think they're called snow load cable
Love your videos, I think this is something I can do..... I think it could do the winter, can't wait to see what happens......
Galanna Thomas, I think you can to!! Good luck out there.
ive thought about the same thing (my wife is not so keen), but thought about putting it in a polytunnel for a more protected climate under the poly tent/ hoop house....... that way wind and rain/snow is not so much of an issue - could also put a veggie garden under there
I think you will be surprised at how much snow that tent can take without failing. Love the tent btw.
I recommend that if ypur really gonna get heavy snow to make two 12 foot Y poles on each end fore and aft along with a pole between them with a huge tarp to sharpen the angle for the snow and to keep it off your tent.
Definately attach packing blankets to ceiling with the wood slats for support. The blankets would insulate and maybe protect the canvas from wearing out as it snaps in the wind.
Plus tarp on out side to protect from uv light and weakening of tent.
Iv lived in this type of tent for years,even in the depth of winter and yes I'm going to do just what you Spock about, sir it will work well more then you think I'm living in Colorado now But most of all I'm doing it my way ! At this time I'm at the V.A. In the state of Conn. Geting some work done on me. But soon I,ll be back in Colorado. Can't wait and I,ll be living in a tent just like you have their are About 5 tents that will last for 10 to 15 or more years. If you keep them in some kind of shade. The sun is the greatest danger to the tent it breaks down the fibers but to much sun on any thing here is not good. Maybe I can run in to you some time. Sir best of luck to you.
Much better than your first video! How big is your tent? Thanks!
I would use the triple wall piping stainless like 4 inch and yes I'm sure it will be hot in there but I'm sure you will like it come winter if your using the tent during the winter and you do have a great idea to brace it on the ceiling so the snow don't push down on the tent but if you have the fire going it should melt just as fast as it comes down if you have a fire going
That tent is bad ass!!
impressive creative idea and its real practice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here is a thought. In the winter and even the fall months, you will be using some heat. Any snow on top is going to melt and run off. But, if out all day doing whatever and the stove goes out and it snows heavy before you get the stove fired up again, yes, the snow may collect and get heavy on the roof. So, I am thinking that aluminum tubing that is flattened in the middle and bent at an angle so they fit over the center beam and flattened on the ends to be attached to the side beams to use as extra support, that would prevent the snow from tearing the roof. 2X4s would add too much weight to the frame and with added snow, possibly cause the frame to fail.
Also, using a "T" pipe in the center of the stove pipe and you could use a smaller stove sitting on top of the larger stove and use in cool months and remove and cap the open "T" connector and run the larger stove in the cold months. This gives you greater options rather than running a cord to run an electric heater. The problem with electric heaters is: 1- You have to use heavy duty high amp cord so it does not overheat. 2- Electric heaters can fail, either due to power failure and or malfunction and catch fire. At least with the woodstove, you have the fire inside and it is easier to control. An electric fire is harder to put out as you can not pour water or throw snow onto it as it causes a worse fire and potential of electric shock. An accident with the woodstove and the fire is easy to put out with water and or snow.
Azri'el Collier, THANKS FOR WRITING, THERE IS A TON OF GOOD INFO HERE!
Very interesting! Maybe you're planning on it but I would either fire brick or stone under the stove even with its metal feet.
Junk yard used Stretched Seat bels are great for the roof and youdouble them up with 2 se them incremental and leave a pocket for 5/16 48" sign fiberglass rod from hardware or better using stiff narrow tube is also ok between two so it is quickly stiffened and won't be sharp on tent
I have seen places where they use the tents on the Pacific Northwest and live year round and they enjoy them totally. I could see living in tent with no problems except when the nay sayers stick their noses in and causes problems with such a setup. Thanks for sharing.
I can attest to the toughness of those tents, desert and swamp land and snow. They are insulated like a yurt may be though. But he'll just put on some layers and safe the money while you build your house. 2) where did he order it from? 3) I have seen them used at hunting camps too.
Those tents are awesome very durable. The military use em in cold weather so it’s very doable
great video
Run your roof braces top to bottom otherwise snow will build up rather than slide off. Best
Thumbs up for video enjoyed, be interesting to see what you decide in leaving up or takeing down for winter.To cope with 7ft snow will take some thought as I can't see the tent surviving 7ft of snow on top of it. Cheers.
How about using foam board 2" x4x8 and use angle iron under it to give the foam board rigidity. you could also use it on the sides and just strap it to the walls.
Military tents stand to the test of time I have that same one and u can't kill it
I lived in one for a year in Korea on the dmz
The Army tents we used someone had to put a center pole up then smaller poles went up along the perimeter.
To get ready for the snow you could build a metal roof that covers the tent's roof and that would keep the snow from the tent all together.
Wind would be my only concern depending on where it sets.
perhaps something like a rope over the metal beams and secured to each side with a space of about one foot between the ropes supporting the roof canvas might work?
I would think that if kept warm inside during the winter that the lack of insulation would melt the snow from the roof rather quickly.
Wonderfulness! I'm a follwer! I want and need to up grade to this. Where, how, . thanks so much for such a detailed video. This is awesome. I plan on year round living!!
Where's the yurt you're "versusing?"
a push broom pushing up the tent from the inside gets rid of your snow load,
I was thinking that if you tarp the roof of your tent, you can prolong the life of it, and also add some insulation to the roof. Also, packing blankets are cheap from Harbor Freight. You could put Velcro along the edges of the blankets, then hang along the walls for more insulation. Reflectix thermal layers work well too.I love the size and shape of your tent. Thanks for sharing
demofactory,
I really like your tarp Idea I think it would definitely help make the tent last for years
The original yurt was made for winter. several hundred pounds of felt makes for a quiet in the wind structure and keeps it warm in the winter. Rafters every two feet handles more snow. I have watched in a real time video (camera not shut off at any point) a yurt get set up in 30 minutes with 6 people doing the work (from trailer pulling up to smoke from the stove). One hour is stated as being a more realistic raising time and seems to be about what it took the average Mongolian family. Platform build time is not relevant as it is the same for any tent... that being said, I would also question the need for a platform for either style of tent :) There is nothing wrong with a dirt floor.
Beyond all that, the yurt is designed as a lifetime home, not a temporary shelter. The cost is more ($2700-ish plus shipping), but traditionally, a young couple would receive a ger (yurt) when they married and live in it for the rest of their life. The ger would be moved about twice a year. So you really do get what you pay for.
Is the yurt right for your particular situation? maybe not. A yurt needs to be lived in, it needs a fire every day to stay mold free. (your tent may need the same BTW) You have stated your use is meant to be temporary and seasonal. So I would suggest that a yurt would be overkill in your situation. Personally I would consider a wood platform overkill too (though nice to have). Of course in my area, a platform means permanent and would require a building permit (all decks do).
I am glad you showed the tent setup as I can see a use for a temporary shelter (on a dirt floor thank you) in my future as well. I would probably get away with the tent easier than long term use of an RV, or be able to stay within the law by using an RV in the winter only and a tent in the summer. I do not think I would get away with a permanent yurt home dirt floor or not.
7000 ft in the Rockies interesting, still think you should have made the deck considerably more robust. Insulated and sealed.
good post
To fight moisture, sew cotton sheets together, for a liner, military has them, I used them, don't know if they are milsurp yet, by the way Joe&Zack's tent is canvas
I would think as long as you have a fire place in there snow shouldn't be a problem
LOVE THAT TENT. I DIDN'T CATCH THE PRICE BUT IT MUST HAVE BEEN EXPENSIVE.
Been seeing a few of these type of military tents up for sale on KSL lately. Very nice
Very very cool
Look nice ..but what about bear other wild animal can damage this tent too.... unless you put an electric fence with solar panel around ur tent .... I like thick of plywood and 2x4 "stubs and log cabin
From what I can see if you were to use it through the winter month's you would need to build a metal roof system to remove the snow issues you will have
I don't know what the span is, but you might use a sheet if half inch plywood on 2x4
nice video
I would use the cheapest osb on the frame where the tent meets the frame
Reminds me of the Moboflex GP Medium Tents we had in our mobile USAF unit at Rhein Main AB Germany. Great tents. Wev7sed them all over Europe, Africa, Mid East. What branch were you in? Love the channel!
Hi I like the tent over the yurt. Thanks for your video. What is nomenclature for your tent? How big is it? How many "man" tent is it??
I'm kinda thinkin that if you have the heat going during a snow event, you will not have to worry about any kind of snow load.
My wife would love this.
What about using simple pieces used for chain link fencing? Would fit around your roof center span and side poles and you could then run wire or rope across at given intervals...
If we did this in the uk on our own land without planning and dug our heels in, we would be put in prison and the government would destroy the property.
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Im vietnam era, thank's for bringing me up to date. That's some tent. You'll get the snow thing. Im confident. Is there a tent package you buy? Ruff price? I didn't hear a price but I could have missed it...
This is number two of three Videos in a series. We picked this tent up for about $1500.00 two years ago
4" wide flat steel for extra supports
Ratchet straps ran from the roof to the walls Wil double or triple the snow load ability and still be quick and easy to move the tent. Plus they're cheap compared to other options
That's a great idea I'll definitely give that a try
para cord for helping the roof also add rigid iso foil to insulation and reflected heat, add concrete block around the stove, put up a fly over top of tent and front for covered entry, housewrap works great and low cost, check out Joe and Zack channel, they are in N-MN, been up for years!
Looks like you are prepared to spend the winter in a tent without a heated floor, We visited a native village in Northern Alberta, Canada, To see how they managed. They lived in log cabins with a heated floor, How they did it, 60 gallon oil drum, Cut down to roughly 22' inches, Open end to the ground, Set 4" to 6" inches below ground level. Chimney and air vent pipe 4"inches, Below ground to the fire. Stove 3' feet from the back wall. At the closest. Store bought stove door. Wala heated floor, 30 degrees below faren-height out side. 70 degrees f inside. We were In our shirt sleeve.
Chimney from top of stove, lots of cooking space. Beds and cotts at least 2' feet from the wall.
Container(s) make a good alternative building...
Snow bounces off the roof quite easily
Love the video and Looking to buy a army tent, just wondering how the tent would do in the winter
red volcano, We have two of these tents now and they are definitely a rain only tent and you want to keep them out of the wind if at all possible.
Did you ever look into something like a small rocket mass heater?
You have your window flaps rolled up the wrong way. Roll them under so no water collects.