Fixing the World's MOST EVIL Car - Lotus T125 Exosphere
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- Casey Putsch and the Genius Garage students take the 2011 Lotus T125 Exosphere to Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course to see if their repairs and new parts have solved the car's problems. Casey speaks about how Cosworth and Pectel who make the engine and ECU will not return a single e-mail to him or any of the students which has made it impossible to connect the computer to the car to troubleshoot the problem as you normally would. Why is that the case? Maybe Formula 1 arrogance, maybe we aren't showering them with tens or hundreds of millions of dollars, lack of accountability, maybe they just suck? In any case, Casey and the students are not deterred and Casey believes the Lotus is still a good car.
Contact Casey for automobile service here-
www.putschraci...
Check out Genius Garage here-
www.geniusgara...
Follow Casey on IG-
Instagram @caseyputsch
/ caseyputsch
Follow Casey on Facebook-
/ caseyputsch
![Oasis - Oasis Live '25 [Official Trailer]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/gol_JnuEtKM/mqdefault.jpg)
Time for a more modern ECU, maybe a Link and a custom Wiring Specialties harness so you can monitor everything and have support for tuning.
Hell no! Who would program that to be as good. Also the zillion dollar wiring harness....
@@CaseyPutsch life ecu like the Guys change to on the 80s turbo f1 cars. For demonstration purposes.
@@CaseyPutsch Andy and the guys at link would be able to program it & tune it and would maybe give Genius Garage a deal. (never know unless you ask)... A Universal standalone pro series harness for a Link to a V-8 setup cost somewhere around $1,200 bucks and would give you more Info options than are already there like EGT's Ect... (not cheap but not in the zillions) 😁 I hope you guys get it sorted out regardless. Do you have the ability to log the car in real time?
@@CaseyPutsch Scotty aka “Tuning Fork” from Haltech. Lot of race cars using Haltech. Support Aussies! 😊. US headquarters in Lexington. Believe they have a dyno there as well.
@@CaseyPutsch as good as what? Sounds like it’s junk!
I really admire you guys for trying to get this legendary car working. I’ve “driven” it a million times in Assetto Corsa and always loved it.
Means a lot. Thank you.
John Barnard's book is interesting. When he approached Cosworth to do a turbo DFV, they had absolutely no interest in it, so John and co did it themselves..
I think they just want to sit on a yacht in Monte Carlo and have people throw money at them without working.
….don’t we all?
that guy blocking traffic drove as if he was in an assetto corsa public lobby, that's crazy!
And the guy who spun a 135hp car as well
It’s terrifying seeing how fast this car is with you literally farting around.
Once you have this thing dialed. I cannot imagine taking it around a track at full tilt 😮
Reach out to John reed racing. If there’s anyone who can figure this out, it would be him.
Your go-kart is bitchin' and reliable. This is just a little bit more complex.
DAMNED GREMLINS! Hope y’all get it all sorted out somehow. Much love and support from Texas!
Thanks man!
Sounds like the alternator is failing. That is why it is breaking up at high load (low voltage for IGN coils) and wouldnt stay running at the end unless still plugged in to external power. I would find somewhere to tap into the DC power and watch the voltage as it is started, running plugged in, then unplugged.
That’s my current thought actually!
Pun intended?@@CaseyPutsch
One more word from you and you’re grounded!
You know, it would take no effort at all for Lotus or Cosworth to return an e-mail or to pick up a phone and to at least give you a little hint of what to look at. You’d get help and they’d get to say “we care about the next generation of engineers.” Unfathomable arrogance on their part, and a really bad look for them.
100% accurate. I kind of hate them at this point.
The issue is that the car is technically a prototype and the documentation will be lost IF any documentation was carried out because the car will have changed regularly and had a specific team of engineers who worked on it, most of which will probably be dead now. The best bet is to find a lotus historian or find a lotus collector in ENGLAND. We have plenty of car museums scattered around the country who could possibly have info or a lead you can follow. Also cosworth is no longer cosworth and we're bought out by Mahle so it could be worth contacting them for help.
Wrong.
It's got limiters on the driver's performance.
You don't throttle a lotus.
You don't brake a lotus either.
You go into the ZEN MODE and do consistent laps, one after another.
You work at doing lap after lap after lap.
Each time, consistently.
Over time you bring up your consistent lap times.
Unremarkable, consistent, time and time again, over and over, year after year.
Don't accelerate.
Don't brake.
Consistent all over the lap.
No intense acceleration!
No intense braking!
The lotus 🪷 sits on the pond and is calm and beautiful 😍
The name tells you something...
Learn about branding.
@CaseyPutsch
But is THAT what a lotus 🪷 does?
Clearly it doesn't.
It's tuned beyond your imagination.
It's SO finely tuned, you have to go out onto that branch of the race family tree 🌳 🙄
This car is on the tip of the Zen-like race family tree 🌳.
YOU don't get this car up to speed with your acceleration.
NO, your lap times get the car up to speed.
I hate these kinds of problems, I had a trackday like this where I had random misfires and I thought it was the coil pack, turns out the actual problem was the fuel feed had a damaged fitting and was sucking air into the fuel feed at certain pressures/situations. It didn’t show in the log, apparently the air still counts as pressure. It was odd that it never leaked fuel, only sucked in air.
Cut the fitting out and replaced it with a piece of hose, I was so pissed.
Interesting!
I heard “evil car” and I just had to type this:
Christine: “I’m the most evil car!”
Dodge Demon: “no I’M the most evil car!”
Lotus T125 Exosphere: “amateurs!”
EXACTLY!
I wonder how this stacks up against the Aston Valkyrie AMR Pro. I'd wager that's the only "buyable" track weapon that can realistically run with it. Great stuff Casey. Wish Cosworth would give you the time of day man
You can buy an ultima rs for 160,000 it’s a kit car put a 1,500 hp ls in it. It will probably give the Valkyrie a run for its money
@Danny-in4rb The Ultima RS barely runs within a few seconds of GT3 cars. The Valkyrie AMR Pro is lapping 2 sec faster than current LM Hypercars. Two completely different realms of machine bro
Edit: Even the Valkyrie street car on ROAD LEGAL TYRES is a second faster than a P1 GTR on full slick
@@dmcharlestt4945 I have been unable to find any lap times for the RS can you please tell me where you found these lap times? I can drive the car in the sim and have run a 1:50 at road America and I have run a 3:23 at lemans which is faster than lmp cars obviously this is a sim and i am not sure of the accuracy of the sim. where did you find these lap times?
You may want to talk to Holley and their ECU systems. Now the communication with the rest of car through the ECU may be an issue. Jared did a Ferrari for Wizard's Ferrari, so something similar might work. But you have direct data and I might not have a clue. Perhaps the ECU is overheating. I don't know if it is potted, but if the boards are accessible, you might want to look for a bad solder joint - after all, you have looked at coils, plugs and wires.
This ain’t no little street car…
@@CaseyPutsch Neither is Rob Dahm's Pikes Peak Rotory beast. Haltech worked with him.
Holley........LOL Yeeeup
@@CaseyPutsch Which version Cosworth Petel ECU is currently with this T125 Exosphere ?
Do they have a more updated version which is compatible, usable with the T125 ?
Obviously Holley including their RacePak are major Corporate, thus not a good option for any custom ECU needed for this unique Lotus T125 Exoshpere, F1/Indy type open wheel vehicle.
Others have posted about MoTec, HalTech because of their possible personal experiences, but clearly lack the necessary knowledge, requirements, assessment.
My suggestion is perhaps to contact Anderson Dick, Luis at Fuel Tech to see if they would be interested in assisting with the necessary custom ECU development, perhaps partnership with "Genius Garage".
From their company videos, along with many other users, they seem to have what appears to be the most open people to a possible custom project as this.
It may be at least worth sending email, calling, especially to the owner, CEO, developer Anderson Dick.
All The Best, Sincerely
If my residence were still in the USA, it would be interesting to assist directly.
@@kb9oak749 Your ignorance is showing ?!
The most realistic description of this car Is that it’s a watered down f1 car dulled down so extremely rich people than play racing driver. Still a very capable machine.
Says a guy with zero experience with one. Respectfully.
Says a guy with zero experience with one. Respectfully.
@@CaseyPutsch doesn’t mean I’m wrong. 🤷♂️🤷♂️.
Yes, it does.
@@CaseyPutsch I’m not this am I. It’s literally a dulled down f1 car. With everything turned down. Still massively capable.
Are you able to ping the pectel via Ethernet or are you trying a rs232 connection?
Even if switching ecus was a remote possibility you would want the tune out of the thing…although I’m sure it’s in some insane one off format…
Without talking to the things it’s crazy hard to troubleshoot, stinks!…it could see a problem or bad sensor and be trying to “save” the motor/cutting fuel or you are having crank position issues and wouldn’t know…
I would imagine the guys at Cosworth now would know very little about the ECU and which lotus are you trying to talk to? Because the Lotus that made this are gone.
The ECU guys not getting back to you is messed up, but I imagine this is also a decades old unit that they stopped supporting because serial connections sucked in the 90s and now that USB is a thing it sucks worse because now you're emulating a serial connection.
Geek software, check your cables, connections, check your software (it could be way newer than the firmware in the ECU and be causing issues. If you are using a serial connection it could easily be a bad serial to USB adapter that doesn't work with Windows 7-10-11.
Best bet is to start a social media campaign, try to find the guys that ran these at the tracks for lotus at the time, or worked on parts and pieces.
This & the Omega Car are 2 of my favorite series. The Lykan was as well, to open an old wound.
Hoping you guys can find a solution to make this thing really sing!
We will get there together! This is a great group of people!
Exotic cars and computers is some dark magic i respect and fear
Like the McLaren F1 wich to service it you need a specific 90s computer with the program pre installed, no emulator or anything will help you
The Tale of the what the hell is going on with the exosphere continues I haven't got any Idea on what's wrong with it but you will figure it I'm here to see the chaos unfold
Cheers!
@@CaseyPutsch But I seriously hope you fix it and screw Cosworth and Pectel for ignoring your emails
10:45 BEHOLD! THE F1 FLATULENCE!!!
BAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!
F1atulence, if you will
Just thinking out loud here, maybe you should contact Kunos, the people who made Asseto Corsa? They had the Exosphere as a car in the game, maybe they would have some sort of manual or a contact with Lotus that could get you what you need?
Your idea within Your posted comment clearly indicates Your lacking, ignorance, thus useless suggestion !! 😛
So if you're having problems with an ECU... why not give Holley a call and see if they wouldn't mind helping out with an ECU replacement?
Granted, you'll prolly need to figure out how to put the car on a dyno and do the tune for it, but at least that way you can (hopefully) solve the problem by ditching proprietary pain points.
Can you do test runs on a rolling Dyno to work out its engine issues
Haltech USA is down the road in Lexington. 😊
My one cent opinion it could be electrical interference, if it is making sure all the wires are twisted until the very last inches would fix it or you have some bad coil that go back under loan. If I remember correctly you put LS coil in it, so you could try putting them in a corvette to see they are the problem.
Lots
Of
Trouble
Usually
Serious
This car looked so cool on top gear. Now i see why it never really sold.
Nope. Not accurate. The car was simply too extreme.
@@CaseyPutsch just the reliability issues you been having not very appealing. Personally I see 2 options
Take the engine out put it on a stand an work through its kinks.
Put the car on a rolling dyno an run through your tests an see what goes wrong an right.
Should make your job a lot easier. Work smarter not harder.
What is your opinion on hybridization on Indy? i know still stupidly expensive to run the series compared when it was made with either space frames or aluminum monocoques and you don't like the elitism (i don't like it either) but from a technical standpoint what is your view? It seems like a bandaid from the V6.
corporate political BS and one of many reasons IndyCar is failing.
MAXXECU to the rescue!
I'm not a train driver. But its hard to understand why you can't replace the engine Mgmt system with sumting that works. You need a chassis dyno before you waste time going to the track to experiment.
Would it be possible to Approach Rodin and ask them some questions? I’m fairly certain that the fzed is a t125 evo so there’s that
Possible yes. Will they ignore us for the 4-5 time again? Likely.
Have you tried to contact Haltech, Fueltech or another engine management system that has good support and maybe donate the equipment to the cause? I think one of them may be very willing to help you out with a better and newer system to manage the vehicle. I believe it would be a great learning experience for the team to set up a new system and design it even better. You can make the car better and easier to manage with reliable parts instead of having Lotus electrical gremlins.
First tire wall ever in racing at Mid Ohio i think, maybe Nelson's. Anyway my dad was the first to hit it. What a stat! 😆
Man the ele engine in me wants to rewire the whole thing 🙃. I like wiring and logic boards, am i weird? 😂
"F35 that won't function properly", so am average f35.......
What other than the engine and transmission of the car HAVE to be computer controlled? Obviously there are things like traction control, but does it have active areo or active suspension or computer controlled steering or anything?
Clutch, data acquisition, wheel
@@CaseyPutsch sounds like it could definitely be moved to haltech or something but at what cost lol
Have you tried speaking with Rodin in New Zealand
Tried.. yes…
Call Holley. They do wicked cool EFI for "rare" vehicles. They even did a Ferrari 308 with Car Wizard and Jarrod from Questionable Garage. That or Halltech. They helped Rob Dahm on his rotary beast. Could be others as well.
if you were going to go new ECU you would go motec as your first choice, they allready have tunes for cosworth motors. Motec is a real race ECU. Not sure casey could afford it, but they would be the first point of contact
@@richardthomson4693 MoTec does haved among the better private ECU options, but not necessarily the Best nor First choice.
Since this engine, application is certainly needs a custom ECU, The First choice is NOT one that You consider for Your personal nor modified vehicle, unless they have one which is specifically suitable for Your engine, drive train, use, needs.
What is necessary is either having some properly developed, trained, knowledgeable student(s) to design the replacement custom ECU or work with a private company that is interested to work with Genius Garage and this custom F1 vehicle.
Have not seen any indications from MoTec, nor HalTech, certainly not MicroSquirt, certainly not Holley including their owned RacePak, or others with any specific owners, CEO, engineers which would possibly show interest in such a custom project.
The only company with which there are some indications, though not certain, nor clear, are the Owner, developer, CEO, Anderson Dick and FuelTech team.
They may be worthwhile to contact to see if any interest may exist, also could have the experts, means to access the existing PecTel ECU
The issue could very well be the ecu itself..
Try chimmieghonga pizza. NO matter how bad is was it's not as bas as today.
Well this car is more like a F1 trainer car, and for sure not your regular road going FORD...
I'm all but convinced you got yourself a bad set of points and condenser. Some them kids probably left the switch on listening to that talk-hollerin' music on the radio. Might just yank everything out and put you back some modern sparks. I got the whole setup for a late model F-150 {4 X 4) if you can use it. You ought to call out to a museum, Peterson something, but it'll be long distance! I even know somebody you can ask for. It's Rusty Peters, you may've heard of him, and he fixed one up for me like a whiz -- I'd got ahold of some bad plugs, them AC-DC's. Another fellow works there you can ask for is Richard Trails, but everybody calls him Dick.
Lotus Engine? If so, that's the problem. The Evora is beautiful because its got a *Toyota* engine.
I would still KILL to drive this thing
You remind me of Joel Zimmerman
2:26
(Not Really!) 😂
Car things, enough said. E.V.I.L!
Custom ECU this thing, sounds like your ECU is locked down on purpose
its joever
ITS JOEVER!
Who would think a race track would be like real life. Did the guy in front of you have his blinker on? :)
I was curious, what was your average speed. What is the car capable of on that track.
Capable of lap record beating the Penske IndyCar. That being said driving it nice safe indy lights times with no real rubber put down is smart.
@@CaseyPutsch Not following autoracing for many a decade. For reasons you would understand. I do not get your reference. What is the minimum speed the Lotus would operate without bitching at the driver.
It needs to get around that track in 1:30 and less lap time to be civil. Should run close to 1:00 full tilt holy crap speed
@@CaseyPutsch Sorry Casey, I was looking for MPH.
Presumably you have spoken to Rodin to see if they can get you some help?
Haha love your outlook
Why Change?!
@@CaseyPutsch please don’t ☺️
I'd reach out to Holley carburetor. They work with youtube creators a lot.
This is a whole other league of tech needs
computers always mess up your day xd , maybe possible to swap ecu into something else ,one that does talk the language
well you are more or less telling us that you are running way to rich at 40%, or lean, but i will bet on rich with the info you provided both with text and video / sound. This video tells me that Lotus never intended to run this model of engine for this long, just get a LS crate engine or a BMW V engine that you can trust.
its drying up kids
Too much alcohol makes me red and itchy...
That's why I don't waste my time with beer. Skip it and go straight to the gin and tonic!
Not sure it's correct to put F1 & Indycar in the same sentence...Seems to me that they have nothing in common...I'll shut up and watch the video now! Take care!
Watch the video first and respectfully don’t comment to correct someone before you even understand why please.
@@CaseyPutsch "and respectfully don’t comment to correct someone before you even understand why please".
Cool car, but I guess it is fair to say "Cosworth Sucks"
So sorry for an amazing car to be held back by electrical gremlins. Is using an aftermarket ECU an option?
Not a good one unfortunately
Have you thought about a Speeduino?
🤖
I thought that would be any new Ferrari bc you must spend half a million dollars on cars you don’t want just to get access to actual buy the new car you want….evil, vile, overpriced baloney sandwich box
👀🇮🇪👍⚓🐾
Kudos on the rather casual and liberal display of racism towards East Asian descendants and their genetic predisposition to alcohol-induced facial redness. 😂 this channel has everything for everyone!
Accusations of racism towards the guy spending the last decade helping people of different races, creeds, and orientation. Got it. You forgot calling beer "German water" is racist to Germans and they are all alcoholics, Showing the cool "YAAASCAR hat" is offensive to the LGBTQ+ community, and my sexist mansplaining of what beer is to an African American. OR. OR. And hear me out..... We could be just having a great time and helping each other out and enjoying our differences together.
@@CaseyPutsch you do understand that "German water" by definition wouldn't be racist, right? Maybe xenophobic, sure. We'll give you that but it's funny that even your canned responses lack credibility. You can't play the victim and the villain at the same time, but you manage to keep entertaining less and less people every week... keep it up! Love watching this tailspin that started 20 years ago on ferrarichat!
Silence, troll.
😘
You don't understand lotus.
You don't push lotus.
Lotus 🪷 is just there.
It sits on the pond and it just seems great.
On the rave track, is unremarkable at every location.
It won't be pushed.
I doesn't like braking.
If you over rev it, it's going to quickly weather and die.
You have to be the most consistent at everywhere on the race track.
You're not accelerating hard.
You're not braking hard.
You ARE zen-like.
You are the most boring business like racer when you drive a lotus 🪷 🙄
You must take a chill-out pill 💊 if you want to drive this ZEN racer.
The NAME tells you something.
It's not wrongly named.
YOU must go into the Calm Zen like mindset to be able to race this thing.
You're OVER THE TOP with this thing.
You've got to go right down to then do lap after lap after lap consistently and slowly you improve those consistent lap times ⏲️ 👍
Heck. I’ll try it.