It’s such a shame for the horse. The poll being the highest point not the third vertebrae, if dressage around the world is serious about equine welfare why not disqualify this rider.
Also against the FEI's rules... oh, wait, never mind, that's right. They took that one out when people started to complain. Don't worry, though, equine welfare is their TOP priority, never mind all the studies that say that trash does short and long term damage to the horse.
@ No I think that makes it even more horrific unfortunately. It shows that it's a systemic issue, it can only be fixed by rule changes and strict adherence to said rule changes.
If ever born again as a horse, I truly hope to not be born as a dressage horse in 2025. Sometimes I wonder what the Dressage masters of the old days would say, if they would see these tight necks, stiff backs and unnatural high frontlegactions.
The horse is practically dragging his back feet in the extended trot. She's not asking him to engage his abs or hindquarters. You can always tell, when the horse's neck is practically at a right angle to the back, because the withers haven't lifted
It irks me that while some people have the ability to ride far better than I can, they constrict the horses movement and practise Rollkur. Also the horse looked quite tense. I am not qualified to criticise but it should be possible to maintain a certain amount of relaxation . Like you might see in elite human athletes.
You are qualified to criticize. You dont have to be a baker to judge the taste of bread, if you will. It irks me too. And then when you call the literal abuse out, youre too soft, or a liberal(???). Pisses me off.
The rules SHOULD be followed!! But they NEVER ARE!! Why? Because the head judge doesn't let any of the other judges know what's happening and why. Your friend, a FORMER FEI JUDGE, a Retired Paramedic and Horse Trainer in Ontario, Canada, Jenn 💖 🇨🇦
Yeah, agreeing with the comment below. The FEI constantly ignores the rules it is governed by and one thing you will see constantly is this over breaking at the poll which of course causes the horse to be travelling with it's face WAY behind the vertical. They just ignore it. And you can go ANYWHERE on YT and find trainers that are showing that you can work with a horse. gain "collection" and beauty in movement without any bridle, bit saddle nor, in fact do you even have to be riding them to achieve these results. Why don't they? It will take too long and too much time actually bonding with the horse. If you are competing you want results NOW. Ergo shortcuts that these people competing are not being called out on. It is time to put the horses need before your own, after all, they are the ones willing to work with you and perform. Go out and do that without a horse, see how far you'll get.
Yup, they rigged it. And they dgaf because there are not going to be consequences. The head bobbing, the broken extended trot, the nearly lateral walk, the canter on the forehand, the "asymmetrical too short in front" frame, and all the serious faults of nowadays "DrESsAgE". Yet Helix still seems to enjoy moving to the music. Sweet horse ❤
The entire test was horrifically ridden. The horse is required to perform far above its actual ability. Remember, being able to execute a movement does not make a horse ready to compete at the level. But that's beside the point. You questioned the corruption within the FEI. Well, i was never involved with the FEI. However, I was involved at the national level within the national governing body, and let me be the one to tell you that all equestrian bodies, at all levels, are corrupt to a criminal level. I walked away when I saw evidence of athletes and / or owners paying for wins. There needs to be external investigations into these equestrian bodies.
It’s mind boggling to me that the rider has been working on improving this “frame” for a year… she rode this horse at the Olympics! What happened to training at home and bringing the horse out when he’s actually ready? I guess they get the big prizes, and that’s the only thing they care about? Why bother learning how to properly train a horse to collect when you can get through the test and win a ribbon? Fancy horses really do cop a raw deal in dressage.
That is a disaster. He does look like a Saddlebread !!!!... A friend at my barn has a Saddlebred. She has 2 Dutch harness horses. One has Saddlebred. It's good to know all 3 will score so well in FEI.
No, it wasn't a trot. The trouble with head-pulled-in reining is that doesn't only affect the horse's mouth, with blue tongue and bleeding, and neck, which affects their breathing and natural body carriage; it also affects their chest muscles and foreleg gait so they can't position their front bodies correctly, trot properly or lift their legs high. If the horse isn't relaxed, it's not going to have good presentation. Frankly, this kind of training should be banned and riders and trainers fined. I'd like to see more classical dressage training again and even that needs modernising.
Gal started a "trend" by using carriage horse shoes on Toto. It became "fashionable" to have the front legs elevate excessively (and disproportionately to the hind legs) and snap forward. The judges scored that nonsense high, and the public thought that crippled movement to be "bEaUtIfUl." In a video from the 2012 Olympics, Salinero displays that movement as well. Breeders began to breed for that as well :(
She looks like she is holding on for dear life. Is she a little scared of this horse, maybe he's too hot for her? That's what im seeing in her hands and posture. Was the music wrong from the beginning? Did she think that 'warm up' would help? That poor horse.
Its not fear, its bcs the neck of the horse is not highest point when she let the reins longer. So she need to pull him back ,than the neck looks higher 😢
I'm old and I no longer recognise what's now called "dressage". It's so far gone I think the only solution is to set up another organisation for real dressage. Leave these acts for the circus. 😢
Notice how different and naturally calm the horse looks when stopped in the trip to see the judge between the two performances: a stock-still square halt and a chance to stretch his neck very straight up and out and look around. The performance was hyperflexion on coffee jitters.
Worst riding I have seen in a looong time! When the song was like 'freedoom' I was SCREAMING through the screen and my boyfriend was like wtf. He looked - he saw This 👆 and he even said that's the worst song to set on that horse cause it lack every freedom there is!!! He isn't a horseman by ANY means...Even he think it looks too tight.... And the horse does looks like a Saddlebred..
Oh dear, the poor guy’s neck was so compressed and tense. When you get the poll that high and then pull the face back to the vertical you put excessive pressure on the windpipe. That is one reason why you do not see Saddleseat park horses ridden on the vertical. It puts more weight on the forehand and tends to constrict action as well. There is plenty to criticize with the Saddleseat style but at least the canny riders don’t force the vertical. It is also true that very few horses have the conformation to carry the neck so the poll is the highest point and achieve the required bend in the throat latch. If you look at the pictures of the dressage riders from traditional places like Saumer in the middle decades of the 20th century only in the piaffe did the horse’s profile approach the vertical.
A major gripe I have about this whole thing is that NOBODY at this level should do something as stupid as turning in the wrong version of their music!! We are at the very top level of the sport and there is a certain expectation that it should be important enough to the athlete, owner, trainer, whoever to turn in the correct music. I was never a rider to this level but I was a figure skater who had a coach with no qualms telling me it was my fault if my skates came unlaced, or if I forgot to get the skates sharpened at the appropriate time. At this level, the only mistakes that should be allowed are those that are completely out of the control of the rider and her team such as a ceiling tile falling from the arena roof or a false fire alarm. Turning in the correct version of the music is a human error and a no brainer.
Is the horse lame too? On the back, left maybe Edit: on another watch through I think it's the back right. I'm still practicing, and struggle with seeing the whole horse. Wild that I can watch high-level dressage to practice looking for lameness dontcha think 🙃
As explanations come out about this freestyle, I think you owe Adrienne an apology. You must not be familiar with how the music uploading works for CDI competitions: You upload a digital music file via Equestrian Hub (it must be uploaded prior to the jog) and the announcer then downloads the files onto his computer to play for the freestyle night. Adrienne uploaded the correct music, as the show management confirmed. But because they keep the uploaded music on the computer they accidentally played the music used at the last show. If she had uploaded the incorrect music she would not be allowed to stop but it was an error on the on the side of show management, not the rider. Adrienne changed the choreography of the middle of the freestyle and had new music adjusted to fit it. It would not work to continue with the choreography while riding to similar music but which wouldn't match it at all. In addition, the new/correct music uploaded had subtle changes to the beginning, with piaffe from 17 steps to 12 steps. She didn’t realize the problem at first-the error became clearer as she rode further into the freestyle. The FEI rules were followed completely. When you make a false accusation, you owe it to all concerned to acknowledge it .
If the music failed from the beginning and it was the athletes choice to reride from the start, wouldn't all the scores be allowed to resubmit. Is that not correct?
No. The original scores are supposed to be used up until the point the first ride stopped. Only after that point are the scores from the 2nd ride used.
Maybe she can put his nose inside his chest next time. 😧👎 This ride is just disturbing. Using the song freedom-oh the irony the horse has none. This is a lovely horse and could be so much better with a different rider trainer.
Did the horse need the reset or the rider? He shoulders have dropped 4 inches and she is now fluid in her back. Makes me wonder if the horse is feeding off of her?
his head is not veritcal, its ways too close to his chest/neck therefor Choking him. there are many, Many faults here and she should not be showing this horse for another 4 years. she is a very bad rider. I think part of the score should be bridless riding. also all those judges who have been judging for 8 years needs to be rotated out and replaced and allow new better human judges who really know true equestrain dressage training in.
This poor horse is trying so hard ….. it’s heartbreaking. The foaming at the mouth has become normalised. So when a horse is seen foaming in any discipline nothing is done-it’s “normal they all do it “ attitude.
„Freedom“ is part of the music but apparently she would not give any of that to her horse. What a terrible ride. I would not do it better, but I just would not do it at all. 😢
He looks like a saddlebred because has been bred to look and move that way The music was so different it seems difficult to believe she got that far into the freestyle without realizing it
This has to stop. If not for now, then for future horses. (Lately I've been watching a video about a horsey computer game for children- and the design of how the dressage horses init moved was just as bad. Let alone what may happen in riding schools).
I've never ridden dressage but have always loved it. I do own horses and ride western. This horse looks so uncomfortable. To me it's obvious that he's not ready to compete at this level. I hate how so many of my favorite sport event to watch are being rigged.
I don't think it's physically possible for his chin to be cranked any closer to his chest, wow.
They all ride like that. You're lucky if you see eventers ride without rollkur.
It’s such a shame for the horse. The poll being the highest point not the third vertebrae, if dressage around the world is serious about equine welfare why not disqualify this rider.
@@EvanBear Maybe so, but it’s still HORRIFIC!
Also against the FEI's rules... oh, wait, never mind, that's right. They took that one out when people started to complain. Don't worry, though, equine welfare is their TOP priority, never mind all the studies that say that trash does short and long term damage to the horse.
@ No I think that makes it even more horrific unfortunately. It shows that it's a systemic issue, it can only be fixed by rule changes and strict adherence to said rule changes.
Painful to watch , poor horse cant get his chin tucked in anymore , so unnatural
Riding with the handbrakes on as usual. Horror show.
If ever born again as a horse, I truly hope to not be born as a dressage horse in 2025.
Sometimes I wonder what the Dressage masters of the old days would say, if they would see these tight necks, stiff backs and unnatural high frontlegactions.
The horse is practically dragging his back feet in the extended trot. She's not asking him to engage his abs or hindquarters. You can always tell, when the horse's neck is practically at a right angle to the back, because the withers haven't lifted
It irks me that while some people have the ability to ride far better than I can, they constrict the horses movement and practise Rollkur. Also the horse looked quite tense. I am not qualified to criticise but it should be possible to maintain a certain amount of relaxation . Like you might see in elite human athletes.
You are qualified to criticize. You dont have to be a baker to judge the taste of bread, if you will. It irks me too. And then when you call the literal abuse out, youre too soft, or a liberal(???). Pisses me off.
I feel badly for that horse.
@@Seashay4evasame here. It’s crazy , if a human athlete turned up foaming at the mouth would they let it continue? Of course they would 😢
The rules SHOULD be followed!! But they NEVER ARE!! Why? Because the head judge doesn't let any of the other judges know what's happening and why. Your friend, a FORMER FEI JUDGE, a Retired Paramedic and Horse Trainer in Ontario, Canada, Jenn 💖 🇨🇦
Yeah, agreeing with the comment below. The FEI constantly ignores the rules it is governed by and one thing you will see constantly is this over breaking at the poll which of course causes the horse to be travelling with it's face WAY behind the vertical. They just ignore it. And you can go ANYWHERE on YT and find trainers that are showing that you can work with a horse. gain "collection" and beauty in movement without any bridle, bit saddle nor, in fact do you even have to be riding them to achieve these results. Why don't they? It will take too long and too much time actually bonding with the horse. If you are competing you want results NOW. Ergo shortcuts that these people competing are not being called out on. It is time to put the horses need before your own, after all, they are the ones willing to work with you and perform. Go out and do that without a horse, see how far you'll get.
Yup, they rigged it.
And they dgaf because there are not going to be consequences.
The head bobbing, the broken extended trot, the nearly lateral walk, the canter on the forehand, the "asymmetrical too short in front" frame, and all the serious faults of nowadays "DrESsAgE".
Yet Helix still seems to enjoy moving to the music.
Sweet horse ❤
The ride: to me -none of it looks relaxed, calm, smooth or enjoyable.
Stressful to watch and painful to listen to. I think the sound went out because even the music didn't want to hear itself.
@@j.m.8545- It could be going mute in certain parts due to copyright/licencing.
Die Musik ist grausam! 😢
Das Pferd schäumt und die Musik macht das erbärmliche Schauspiel auch nicht besser 😢😢
Is it just me, or is dressage getting close to Big Lick?.
That first extended trot looks Soo big lick
I’ve been saying this for while now
Maybe have a look at the weight of the shoes and legs
The entire test was horrifically ridden. The horse is required to perform far above its actual ability. Remember, being able to execute a movement does not make a horse ready to compete at the level.
But that's beside the point. You questioned the corruption within the FEI. Well, i was never involved with the FEI. However, I was involved at the national level within the national governing body, and let me be the one to tell you that all equestrian bodies, at all levels, are corrupt to a criminal level. I walked away when I saw evidence of athletes and / or owners paying for wins. There needs to be external investigations into these equestrian bodies.
Seriously. Why bother to show. It's all bullshit.
It’s mind boggling to me that the rider has been working on improving this “frame” for a year… she rode this horse at the Olympics! What happened to training at home and bringing the horse out when he’s actually ready? I guess they get the big prizes, and that’s the only thing they care about? Why bother learning how to properly train a horse to collect when you can get through the test and win a ribbon? Fancy horses really do cop a raw deal in dressage.
That is a disaster. He does look like a Saddlebread !!!!... A friend at my barn has a Saddlebred. She has 2 Dutch harness horses. One has Saddlebred. It's good to know all 3 will score so well in FEI.
I firmly believe she (and some others) use weighted shoes in training. These horses are moving like they're in a circus. That was not a trot.
Dressage News posted a picture of the Jog you can see his feet and they don't look normal.
No, it wasn't a trot. The trouble with head-pulled-in reining is that doesn't only affect the horse's mouth, with blue tongue and bleeding, and neck, which affects their breathing and natural body carriage; it also affects their chest muscles and foreleg gait so they can't position their front bodies correctly, trot properly or lift their legs high. If the horse isn't relaxed, it's not going to have good presentation. Frankly, this kind of training should be banned and riders and trainers fined. I'd like to see more classical dressage training again and even that needs modernising.
Gal started a "trend" by using carriage horse shoes on Toto.
It became "fashionable" to have the front legs elevate excessively (and disproportionately to the hind legs) and snap forward.
The judges scored that nonsense high, and the public thought that crippled movement to be "bEaUtIfUl."
In a video from the 2012 Olympics, Salinero displays that movement as well.
Breeders began to breed for that as well :(
Choose freedom horsey ❤❤
Such irony in music choices 😂
Movement follows conformation...yes some horses bred to move like this
Rolkur, tail switching almost all the ride, and probably can't breathe. What a shame.
I hate the FEI. I say we petition to shut it down ✊🏻
What took her so long to “realize” the music was wrong?! That seems fishy as hell!!
The rules should of been followed. Rules are put in place for a reason. No exceptions!!!
Sad display of a tense horse trying their best under horrible circumstances 😢
Same rules should apply to all. Isn't this why there are rules?
Rule for thee not for me
She looks like she is holding on for dear life. Is she a little scared of this horse, maybe he's too hot for her? That's what im seeing in her hands and posture.
Was the music wrong from the beginning? Did she think that 'warm up' would help? That poor horse.
Its not fear, its bcs the neck of the horse is not highest point when she let the reins longer. So she need to pull him back ,than the neck looks higher 😢
The basic rule of BTV not being allowed and the basic rule of welfare before anything are kinda the broken rules that need to be focussed on.
This was way bigger than that. Flat out broke rules in front of the crowd with permission of the officials
That was just simple the Tonya Harding move right there 🤪
Maybe he isn’t meant to be a dressage horse.
Maybe she isnt meant to be a rider!!!!
Why is his chin touching his neck? Really? Why is she not ripped off that horse and both taken back to rhythm, regularity and Relaxation?
The horses head/neck is far too tight..in both tests. They can't breath properly like this because their pipes get constricted.
I'm old and I no longer recognise what's now called "dressage". It's so far gone I think the only solution is to set up another organisation for real dressage. Leave these acts for the circus. 😢
That's what I am doing! The World Equestrian Federation
Notice how different and naturally calm the horse looks when stopped in the trip to see the judge between the two performances: a stock-still square halt and a chance to stretch his neck very straight up and out and look around. The performance was hyperflexion on coffee jitters.
Judges, please stop rewarding whatever Dressage has turned into! This is painfull to see.
Worst riding I have seen in a looong time!
When the song was like 'freedoom' I was SCREAMING through the screen and my boyfriend was like wtf. He looked - he saw This 👆 and he even said that's the worst song to set on that horse cause it lack every freedom there is!!! He isn't a horseman by ANY means...Even he think it looks too tight....
And the horse does looks like a Saddlebred..
Literally every had the same thoughts on "freedom"
I just said the same thing in my comment! Freedom dear lord!
Gross
If the music was wrong, why did she let it go so long? So bogus.
Oh dear, the poor guy’s neck was so compressed and tense. When you get the poll that high and then pull the face back to the vertical you put excessive pressure on the windpipe. That is one reason why you do not see Saddleseat park horses ridden on the vertical. It puts more weight on the forehand and tends to constrict action as well. There is plenty to criticize with the Saddleseat style but at least the canny riders don’t force the vertical. It is also true that very few horses have the conformation to carry the neck so the poll is the highest point and achieve the required bend in the throat latch. If you look at the pictures of the dressage riders from traditional places like Saumer in the middle decades of the 20th century only in the piaffe did the horse’s profile approach the vertical.
Das war wirklich der schlimmste Ritt den ich je gesehen habe. Bin auf jeder Ebene sprachlos
A major gripe I have about this whole thing is that NOBODY at this level should do something as stupid as turning in the wrong version of their music!! We are at the very top level of the sport and there is a certain expectation that it should be important enough to the athlete, owner, trainer, whoever to turn in the correct music. I was never a rider to this level but I was a figure skater who had a coach with no qualms telling me it was my fault if my skates came unlaced, or if I forgot to get the skates sharpened at the appropriate time. At this level, the only mistakes that should be allowed are those that are completely out of the control of the rider and her team such as a ceiling tile falling from the arena roof or a false fire alarm. Turning in the correct version of the music is a human error and a no brainer.
Exactly. Someone had the audacity to comment that it wasn't her fault and I was like this is 💯 her fault
Is the horse lame too? On the back, left maybe
Edit: on another watch through I think it's the back right.
I'm still practicing, and struggle with seeing the whole horse.
Wild that I can watch high-level dressage to practice looking for lameness dontcha think 🙃
As explanations come out about this freestyle, I think you owe Adrienne an apology. You must not be familiar with how the music uploading works for CDI competitions: You upload a digital music file via Equestrian Hub (it must be uploaded prior to the jog) and the announcer then downloads the files onto his computer to play for the freestyle night. Adrienne uploaded the correct music, as the show management confirmed. But because they keep the uploaded music on the computer they accidentally played the music used at the last show. If she had uploaded the incorrect music she would not be allowed to stop but it was an error on the on the side of show management, not the rider. Adrienne changed the choreography of the middle of the freestyle and had new music adjusted to fit it. It would not work to continue with the choreography while riding to similar music but which wouldn't match it at all. In addition, the new/correct music uploaded had subtle changes to the beginning, with piaffe from 17 steps to 12 steps. She didn’t realize the problem at first-the error became clearer as she rode further into the freestyle. The FEI rules were followed completely.
When you make a false accusation, you owe it to all concerned to acknowledge it .
I believe you have been gaslit the rule states that the scores already given will remain.
You can also read the comments here from other FEI judges saying the same thing I am saying.
@@DressageHub Since the freestyle was different right near the start, it is appropriate and correct to have her ride the correct test again.
Also anything over 10 steps of piaffe is not relevant in the way any floorplan is submitted. In addition to that her floor plan was exactly the same.
I agree correct for her to ride again but not correct as per the rule to re score. Read the rule again.
I think the rules should be followed. Or why have them!!
If the music failed from the beginning and it was the athletes choice to reride from the start, wouldn't all the scores be allowed to resubmit. Is that not correct?
Not according the the rules
No. The original scores are supposed to be used up until the point the first ride stopped. Only after that point are the scores from the 2nd ride used.
What ever happened to "harmony" when riding dressage???
Poor horse.
Is this ever going to stop in this so called wonderful horsey world..
I'm feeling sick looking at this..😢
God, what an absolute shithouse ride. That poor horse.
Such a beautiful horse so sad they have be treated this way!
It's absurd that points are so high for such a horrible ride
This horse was not relaxed at all. The music didn't even go along with his strides at all.
Maybe she can put his nose inside his chest next time. 😧👎 This ride is just disturbing. Using the song freedom-oh the irony the horse has none. This is a lovely horse and could be so much better with a different rider trainer.
Did the horse need the reset or the rider? He shoulders have dropped 4 inches and she is now fluid in her back. Makes me wonder if the horse is feeding off of her?
we get 7s for rolkur... noted... might be high level but clearly cant tell where the nose is... slightly infront is better than behind
Just sad to see abuse spread so rampant.
Horse is much better in second time. But the head position is insane. Should be marked way down.
his head is not veritcal, its ways too close to his chest/neck therefor Choking him. there are many, Many faults here and she should not be showing this horse for another 4 years. she is a very bad rider. I think part of the score should be bridless riding. also all those judges who have been judging for 8 years needs to be rotated out and replaced and allow new better human judges who really know true equestrain dressage training in.
No freedom of movement. Sad to watch.
Even the announcers were speechless at the very end!!!🤢
This poor horse is trying so hard ….. it’s heartbreaking. The foaming at the mouth has become normalised. So when a horse is seen foaming in any discipline nothing is done-it’s “normal they all do it “ attitude.
💔
Wow, your commentary is pretty harsh! Is this classic Dressage Queen behavior? Toxic environment.
„Freedom“ is part of the music but apparently she would not give any of that to her horse. What a terrible ride. I would not do it better, but I just would not do it at all. 😢
Poor tense, stressed unhappy horse!
I thought the use of rollkur was banned? I guess FEI just picks and chooses what rules they want to enforce. 🙄
I mean of they followed the rules I wouldn't have much to talk about so there is that 😂
@ 😂
He looks like a saddlebred because has been bred to look and move that way
The music was so different it seems difficult to believe she got that far into the freestyle without realizing it
It looks like she might train at home using Rollkur.
What is WRONG with these people? I thought the point of dressage was not to torture the poor horse!
I liked the music though.
Yup Definitely liked the changes she made
@ Very rhythmic.
I am not an expert but that horse looks overbent.
What a horrible ride better she change to another sport😮
I feel sorry for the hores 😢
The horse's chin is nearly touching its chest for most of the test. And to me, it is test of circus moves. No, thanks.
Furchtbar 👎
This has to stop.
If not for now, then for future horses.
(Lately I've been watching a video about a horsey computer game for children- and the design of how the dressage horses init moved was just as bad. Let alone what may happen in riding schools).
Poor horse. I dont like how closed up he has to carry his head - no space :(
It's lame... When will these riders stop riding in hyperflexion...??
Poor guy. Looks miserable.
Helix is just way too hot. Time to change up mounts
Horrible to watch 👎👎👎
Nose behind vertical
In my opinion to be fair to all they should all be able to restart. One or the other. Why did she get a second go?
Tense and BV . Hollow and being ridden off the head. Horrible
Neck is super stiff and constricted
Walk not tracking up
Her sponsors are very rich. I suspect they paid someone off. Absolutely awful test!! Janet Foy is the worst judge.
All the top dressage is a rich cheating scheme
I've never ridden dressage but have always loved it. I do own horses and ride western. This horse looks so uncomfortable. To me it's obvious that he's not ready to compete at this level. I hate how so many of my favorite sport event to watch are being rigged.
Terrible 😢