consider this camera instead of the fuji x100vi.
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Just to clarify, if you really want the Fuji X100VI, you should get it, that's what I'm also saying in the video. The reason I'm suggesting this camera instead if because for some people this might be the better long term investment. But I elaborate on this in the video, so 🫡
I recently bought the A7Cii. Haven't got to use it very much yet, but the little I've been shooting, the 7 stop IBIS seems very good. Combined with the compact size, I can easily take 1 second or more handheld captures. And that thing can see in the dark. Looking forward to spending more time with it 😊
Nice, congratulations!! Haven't tried those slow shutter speeds yet, but very good to know! Lot's of videos coming on the channel shot with the A7CII! Thanks for watching! 🫡
@@KaanSenelThanks, appreciate it! I'll be watching. And I just subscribed to your channel 😊
Thank you so much mate, really appreciate it!
I've been saying for a while that at the price of the new X100vi the a7cii is a really good option
Great minds think alike! Thanks for watching bro
How have you been knowing the price of the X100 VI for a while now? ;)
@@noheadlights it's been pretty clear that it was going to be increased for at least a month now and before that it was heavily speculated.
I found the comment "if you have some spare money" shows being out of touch. The a7cii is 2200, the Sony 35mm pancake is 600, the x100vi has 4 degree nd filter that's another 200. Maybe 1400 is "spare money" to you. I'm not saying the a7cii isn't a better camera for some, but the dismissal of nearly double the cost is a bit odd.
(Not mentioning the 24-70 lens for 2300, as that changes everything)
Did you watch the entire video? I mentioned the Samyang 35mm & 24mm f2.8, these only cost 250$ each, so the total investment would be less than you mentioned. Also, the internal nd is nice, but it's only a fixed ND, so it'll be always less useful compared to having a separate VND.
@KaanSenel OH, so only 850 more with no nd filter, and if you want to take it to the "next level" as recommended (sony 24-70 f2.8 gm 2) only 2300 more. You're right, "some spare money."
If you read my comment, I stated that the Sony for some is the better camera. My point was they're cameras in different price ranges, for different use cases with some overlap. I understand that there is a wealth gap. That for some 850 to 1400 more is spare money. As is, "just add" 2300 for a piece of glass to take it to the next level, maybe pocket change. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm just poor, and I'm the one who is out of touch.
Actually I don’t think it is easy to get x100vi with original price, for example, hk is selling at 3000 usd, crazy market
I've owned the X100f (and was about to pre-order the X100VI). I've been shooting the A7RV for almost a year. I decided to get the A7Cii (silver) instead. I feel that it beats the X100VI in almost every way. If you really want the "Fuji" look - you can get this by customizing the creative style (recipes on the net) or in PS.
100% agreed, nice to hear! Really enjoying the A7CII. Did you keep your A7RV as well? Thanks for watching!
Dude same here, I have the Sony A7RV and love that camera but wanted a more compact everyday Sony camera and that's where the Sony A7cii comes in. I have the silver one along with the silver small rig base plate and love it. I pair it usually with the Sony 24mm F2.8 & 40mm F2.5 primes. The good thing is that I already have invested into Sony glass as I've owned the Sony A7Riii previously. The F1.8 primes are great with the Sony A7cii. I had the Fuji X100v and ended up selling it because I wasn't using it as much prior to getting the Sony A7cii.
@KaanSenel can you post links to the accessories you have on the camera? Thanks 🙏
Hi, I just made an overview for you, hope it helps! kit.co/knsnl/sony-a7cii-accessories
Great insight! However it is like comparing apples to oranges imho. I am all into Sony, love the ecosystem of E mount and just preordered the X100VI for one particular reason - to have fun with photography. I own a range of Sony APS-C cameras and love them to bits (the A6700 is just incredible) but I want to have something that will be living outside the studio, in my pocket, have some quirky things like the Fuji film simulations and enforce limitations on me (fixed 35mm eq) so I don't even think about lugging around an extra lens and think more about the shot. Imho the X100VI is to spark creativity and have something different in your hand than your usual portfolio of cameras, it is almost an artisan camera but yes, the A7CII is overall a better camera for someone looking for a main driver. Thanks!
I totally get that mate, I was in the same boat as you and I might want to get the X100VI in the future if I have some spare money, but I'm really happy with the A7CII combined with a tiny prime. If I just limit myself this way, I won't have to care extra lenses etc either. The Fuji line of cameras are great for sure and I loved my time with them! Thanks for watching!
I'll probably borrow it from a friend to make a vid about it
I bought a Sony A7RV and an A7CII when both were released. I am more than happy with both. Before that, I had been using a Fuiji X-T4, which I sold to help finance the the cost Sony gear. I enjoyed the Fuji so much that I was planning to get this new X100VI. After speaking to my nearest camera store manager, I decided not to buy it. There is nothing wrong with the X100VI. The gentleman told me that, at 70, I would enjoy the Sony's AF more. The only thing missing with the A7CII is a Sony pancake full frame lens. I think you're right, Kaan, I believe the A7CII is more camera than the Fuji. But if I had the budget, I'd buy the X100VII without giving it second thoughts.
For sure, I agree to what you're saying! I just made the video because I feel like for some people, investing into the Sony would be the smarter decision if they don't have a 'main camera' yet. If I'd have the spare money, I might get the X100VI as well!
x100vi is almost same price like Sony A7c… for first camera, what you recommend?
Depends on what's important to you and what your use case is. If it's more of a fun camera, to shoot day to day stuff, I'd recommend the Fuji. If you want more options, being able to switch out lenses etc, I'd recommend the Sony. If you want good video as well, I'd recommend the Sony A7CII
Good points
Thanks Dustin, appreciate the watch! 🫡
As an a7iv owner, I am looking at these 2 options as a new EDC but leaning towards Fuji because…..tired of editing Sony Raw files!
How come you're struggling so much with them? I don't have any issues with Sony raw files tbh
save your edits as presets in lightroom and you're good to go. Just separate them based on lighting conditions.
I am not struggling, however after shooting for clients and editing all the photos, editing again for personal shoots and capturing daily life feels a bit like work again :)@@KaanSenel
thats a good tip, thanks. I already have a few that I use. However, I just wish Sony gives us the option to shoot directly with these presets just like the Lumix s5ii@@axidrain
a7cii vs lumix s5ii very interesting to hear why the switch ? arguably a downgrade in terms of what it can do :)
I actually made a vid about it, you can find it on my channel, posted it a few vids ago 🫡
Thanks will check it out :) ! @@KaanSenel
The price of the two cameras are close. I had a Fuji X100s and the focus was terrible and I found the fixed lens frustrating and limiting. I have been considering the VI, but your video makes think I should go with A7C II, as I'm a Sony shooter and already have plenty of Sony Glass. And I do find that having a short tele to compliment the 35mm focal length a big plus, and will say having a 20 - 24mm for wider shooting makes for a great three lens set-up. So here I am talking myself out of the Fuji X100 VI...
Hahaha, if I were you I'd get the A7CII, even tho the Fuji's tempting, a lot of it is FOMO because of all the vids on Social Media. The camera is beautiful and it got a nice spec upgrade, but it can't beat a full frame camera. Expect a lot more A7CII vids on the channel! My next vid will be a what's in my camera bag vid. Thanks for watching! 🫡
@@KaanSenel I think you nailed it on the FOMO comment, because I was wondering if I was missing something here that others know. Appreciate the input.
The prices are not close though. The a7cii body is like 33 percent more. Before you buy a compact f2 or faster sharp lens. Is there a comparable pancake lens for the Sony? Also you're giving up weather resistance, built in nd, leaf shutter. Don't get me wrong, the a7cii is a great camera, it's just that not everything is worth comparing as these are different forms entirely.
@@MarkBrainerd valid points Mark and appreciate your insight. I will absolute 'try' a Fuji "if I can get my hands on one". The leaf shutter and built-in ND are key features. Thank you for adding here.
@@KaanSenel What's your definition of a full frame camera? Is the frame size for A7CII larger than that of Fuji's X100VI?
Are you using a diffusion filter on this video?
Yeah, I always use a Tiffen Glimmer Glass 1 on my camera!
You have to think of resale value as well. The X100VI will probably go up in value while the Sony will drop. Plus the Sony A7c2 is 2100.00 without the lens.
Do you really think it will go up in value? I read that they have a production capacity of 18k cams per month which is quite a lot. Also, the Fuji is not some kind of limited edition Leica or something, this version will be pretty widely available. I'd rather go for an A cam that suits all my needs, that might drop in price, but that does the job for everything than a camera that's not 'main cam worthy' - of course this depends on what you do with a camera. For some people the A7CII might just be a better investment, nonetheless, the x100vi is a super dope, small camera!
Never. it's not a Leica
can you help me please to take a side? I'm in doubt between Sony A7CR with Sony Zeiss 55mm 1.8 lens (found for 450 euro) and in the future 24mm 1.4 or should I get Fujifilm X100VI. Money matters but not really. Always wanted to have a full frame, but I'm not sure of the size. I'm just buying for myself not interested in earning with photography. Travel about 4-6 times a year with family. Sick of phone photos especially at night time or any low light. Purpose family, friends, travel. Thank you for your answer
It's hard to say, depends on much you'll love photography & filmmaking. The issue is that you might find the lens of the x100vi limiting after a while since you can't switch it out. But if you only plan to use the camera on travels etc, I think the X100VI might me the best option for you. I'd hold both cameras in the shop to see which one you like better! The Sony will be better in terms of image quality and low light because it's full frame, but the Fuji will be amazing as well
Or better, the a7cr for the same size with bumped up resolution
That's definitely a good option as well, but the price difference will be quite bumped up as well then haha. That's why I recommended the a7cII over the A7CR
I love the crop mode on the a7cr. Each prime lens turns into two!
Facts!
I own an a7iii and if sony line has a pancake lenses you wouldn't see me rocking a fuji camera respectfully. I own an fuji XE4 and it's a perfect small edc camera that fits in my small luxury bag while i'm travelling. It just fits my needs. I dont want a huge lens while im out
Have you considered the Samyang 35mm f2.8's I mentioned in the vid? It's not as small as an xe4 for sure, but it easily fits into my small sling bang from Wandrd!
@@KaanSenel that's indeed a small lens ✅️ I might give it a try
I'm Sony user Sony A7III all my lenses for Sony, recently days I'm planing to get new camera to get flip,tilt screen and support 4K 60FPS ,I thought to buy new FujiFilm X100VI I like analog film style and 4k 60FPS but not flip screen also fixed lens and costly as APCS camera!! I can pay more and get Full Frame pocket size+silver edition give me analog style and it's flip screen and can use any lenses on it in+The best Auto Foucs with AI,
In meanwhile I can get original Fujifilm x100 Mark one for Fun daily shot photos and stylish, so buy used one with same price of cheap lens From Ebay, you will get Sony A7cii and X100 both of them!! I think Also this alternative option.
Agreed with all of the points you said, I'd suggest you get the A7CII, it's a very nice camera! Having an older x100 would be a nice addition indeed, but with a small Samyang lens it does the same job and even more!
add vintage pentax or leica lenses and focus by hand
That's also a way to go as well! I've got a couple of them!
How about the a7cII vs fuji x-s20?
I've honestly never tried that camera, however I bet it'll be a great option as well. It just depends on whether or not you want to have a full frame camera and or have the extra money to spend on the A7CII or not
@@KaanSenel Thanks for the quick reply. I'm probably going with the x-s20. For the same price, i would get 2 good lenses and get 6k open gate plus other decent features.
Definitely a good choice, have fun with it!
@@KaanSenelThanks! 😃
Not exactly a good comparison if your really talking about the price Fuji x100v $1600 you can go take photos. Sony A7CII $2198 No Lens. A Sony cheap Sony lens will run you about $400. Cheapest lens will probably be $150 28mm from Viltrox.
Fuji seems like the one and done solution vs the Sony.
Also people dont mentioned you can transfer your Fuji photos to your cellphone and post online. No need for editing software. Certain Sony cameras can do this but Fuji is the only one with Film simulations that people like vs having to edit anything.
Actually.. the new sony menu allow for much below customization of the color much like the fuji. I would say much comparable: owner of xt5 and a7cii.
In Switzerland, the Sony dropped already from 2200 to 1800 CHF. On the other hand, the Fuji will probably stay at 1600 CHF.
I know it's not the perfect 1 on 1 comparison, but some people still need a good main workhorse cam, so in that regard I think the A7CII is a better longterm investment. My 35mm f2.8, tiny Samyang lenses cost $250 each so that's not going to break the bank. The film sims are a nice to have, but later in your photography journey you'll want to edit your own photos anyway.
Agreed, nice combo you have there! Sony really upped their game with their colours lately
Damn, that's nice!
Great Video
Thanks Martin!
A7cii doesn't support type A card for 600mbps slog3 shoot smoothly. This is the biggest issue of this model.
If that's important for you, it is indeed! For me personally it doesn't matter.
@@KaanSenel Actually I want to know can I shoot slog3 in 600 mbps using v90 card ?
Indeed! I just looked it up - Record in 10-bit 4:2:2 using the advanced XAVC S-I format for consistent performance and quality at bitrates up to 600 Mb/s.
@@KaanSenel Thank you, This is very informative for me. Now I can take decision 😊
I'm honestly torn between these 2 cameras. I was about to purchase the A7C II and then with the release of the x100VI, my decision is so much harder!
I know these 2 cameras arent't exactly a good comparison as the A7C II is full frame, more expensive, and doen''t come with a lens. But the thing is, I already have a pancake 35mm Samyang lens that I plan on pairing with the Sony if I end up getting it.
On the other hand, the Fuji is fairly cheaper, smaller form factor, and has great colors right out of camera with all those amazing film simulations. The cons are that it is a fixed lens, and is APS-C, while the Sony is FF not to mention has way autofocus and video specs.
Ughh! Can someone please help me make a decision? Are the film simulations, form factor, and cheaper price of the Fuji enough to make it worth puchasing over the Sony?
What cam do you already have? Send me a dm on IG so I can help you with your decision
I was in fuji eco system for a long time. Used Xe4, Xs-10 and x100v
my use case is to document my life.
pros of fuji:
- I didn’t have to edit my photos. Coming from a trip I was able to share the pictures automatically
- at that time sony didn’t have a good camera can do 4k60 10 bit.. so fuji was better value
cons:
For video, and self potraits I suffered autofocus issue (made the switch to sony primarily for it)
Lens selection isn’t adequate - not much good option for ultrawide zoom.
I sold everything but kept fuji x100v.. And later inability to change lens suffered me. Ended up selling it.
If u like to take vacation and family pics to share....and carrying a small camera ...and guess what...no editing! Straight to mms, fb, ig..whatsapp and viber.... fuji is my vote! ...note: i have three sony lenses..former user of a7r2, bought and returned the a7c ( original) because i just heard that sony is coming out with the 2nd version...well...now...im leaning on a pocketable camera that will replace my phone to take pictures...
Consider Sony 24mm 2.8 or Sigma 35 f2 [ Samyang line are small ... and itd only pros, AF is noisy ]. X100VI is still toy comparing to A7C II
Thanks for the suggestions! I don't have any issues with the AF of these lenses tho! And agreed haha
Fujifilm received 50x more preorders for the xv100vi than Sony for the AC7ii.
Yup, I know, thanks to the power of Social Media! The X100VI might be the right cam for some, but not for everyone, the Sony might be a better fit for some
And whats your point with that?
Well, if I like the x100vi, why should I buy Sony?!:))😅
You shouldn't, and that's what I said in the video :)
Its all the manual dials, the built in ND, the retro aesthetics, the sensor stabilization the optical view finder & the film simulations. It gives you all the fun of an old manual film camera with some modern convenances a digital camera affords. As someone who already owns other cameras the appeal of this its not maximum image quality, but to bring the fun and the slower pace of manual photography. Other small cameras seam to be built around the idea of point and shoot and have a bunch of pre programed modes and no tactile exposure controls. The fixed lens does not bother me, I'm not looking to invest in a bunch of fuji lenses or get invested in their system. Its just a fun camera that takes me back to the days when i used a Pentax K1000. Would i recommend this to someone as their first camera. Probably not.
Agree with lot's of your points, that's why I also mentioned that the X100VI might not be the best investment for some. If you're already set on your 'main camera gear', the Fuji's a really great addition. If I had the spare money, I might have bought it as well
Bigger, heavier , no built in “35mm”, no leaf shutter, no built in ND filter, smaller EVF, it’s a long list before this camera match the Fuji and body alone is $2200
It's a suggestion and might be a better investment for some, it's not a 1 on 1 comparison.
Amazing autofocus on the Sony, choose any Sony lens you like, full frame, excellent low ISO performance. The Sony 35 mm f1.8 is nice and small. Lots of reasons to get the Sony over the Fuji. I have an a7c and an x100v. I barely use the x100v and will probably sell it and the a7c and get the a7cii.
I'm a sony shooter. These machines are workhorses, feature rich and amazing technology wise... but one thing they are not: Fun!
People always say the X100 is a toy and they mean it condescending.
For me the X100 also is a toy but one that brings me back the joy of playing with a camera.
This is something that no Sony will ever do because "fun" isn't on their spec sheets when they design a camera.
I've got the same feeling, really enjoyed my experience with the X100V, but for some people investing in their first good camera is a smarter decision. Especially if you consider the price. It might even be better for people to get the x100T of F camera's as a fun camera. But due to the form factor and with a small lens, I'm truly enjoying the A7CII as well as a fun camera tho.
If I had spare money I'd probably want to get the X100VI as well and I'll probably borrow it from a friend to make a vid about it
I 100% agree- I have the Sony for work and the Fuji for joy!
Nice try...although A7C II is a good camera too.
I'm not trying anything over here mate, just thought it might be a better option for some. If people really want he X100VI, be my guest! It's a super dope camera
The A7II is without any doubt the better camera. I own a a7cr and since thee weeks also the x100vi and I decided to either sell the x100vi or give it to my wife. The pictures of the a7cr are so much better than the ones from the fujifilm, that I always regret it when I bring my x100vi instead of the sony. It's a bit sad because I really like the look and feel of the fujifilm.
Feel like there's lots of videos now just click baiting for the x100vi
It does help to get views for sure, however I feel like for some people this will be the better camera and I wanted to share my excitement about the A7CII
That's pretty much RUclips and entertainment in a nutshell. You want to be talking about the trends, because that is where the attention is. RUclips is a business built around making you want to buy goods and services.
I disagree. I was looking at the x100vi (currently a Sony user), but want a smaller more compact daily carry, and the hype of the x100vi has been a negative to me, can’t pick up the camera, and after comparing I realise I can get some good compact lenses and the a7cii. Good video
Boring!
Thanks for the feedback :)