"There's nothing more toxically political than the statement 'politics doesn't matter '." Thanks, guys, for verbalising what I've been trying to communicate so unsuccessfully to those around me for decades. Art does matter. We mustn't leave a vacuum for the right to fill. We can all do something to help.
Art should be a basis for civilization not an extra. It makes meaning for a human existence, and we need meaning more than ever in our profound overshoot.
Yanis is so right. The only way I know of the Spanish Civil War is from the Picasso depiction. For me my whole understanding of the event is from his interpretation.
A heartfelt thank you to Raoul for this so important podcast. In these bleak times (thoughts of the people in Gaza) we need to be reminded of what our soul is crying out for - namely people that give us hope and inspire us to go out there and do something the world needs (thank you, Brian!). Yanis, yes we need you to speak!
Please don't stop! I need you to keep talking. I've watched all the episodes and I'm looking forward to the next one. The word is resistance. Many thanks to everyone involved in this project! ❤
As a writer, artist, poet, philospher, inventor and tutor, I recently wrote a short story called School 2094. The 6 core subjects would be 1. Creativity & Invention 2. Appreciating the Earth 3. Ethics 4. Family 5. Languages and 6. Survival. Education is one of the biggest failures of the dark age we are going through.
As a French speaking person, I very much appreciate the mixing, in one conversation, of not only art & politics but also of spirituality & politics. In the French culture, things a much more separated. It's usually totally different people who would talk about those different dimensions of existence. Pitty! Thank you so much for the depth of this talk in particular and for the depth of the whole series really ♥♥♥
What a wonderful conversation. There was so much i related to. I've spent my life in the arts, as well as working on where and how that crosses into political movement - i think the arts have always been central to social discourse and therefor, politics - I have found one informs the other in a circular motion and this is where humankind can be so powerful, especially that point where surrender occurs, the ego gets out of the way and that wave gets ridden! I also had a radio show for a while called, 'The Arts and Politics" because, to me they are both practices that shape our lives and are capable of enhancing each other. Thanks again, i look forward to hearing more, Bryony, Australia.
This is such an amazing and insightful conversation which would be broadened and contextualised further I think by bringing to people’s awareness the work of Iain McGilchrist (see his books The Master snd His Emissary and The Matter With Things Vols 1 & 2). McGilchrist cites Murdochs’s book on the sovereignty of the good amongst close to 6000 other references in showing how the brain’s left hemisphere with its narrowed (and so limited/blindspot attention) values power, control, utility and pleasure over all else while the right hemisphere stands back in open and curious receptivity to experience (a precursor to surrender) and is guided by values aligned to integrity/virtue, wisdom (beauty, goodness and truth) and the sacred connectedness of all things. The left and right hemispheres are in a dialectical tension just as at a societal (political, economic, spiritual) level their is tension between the individualistic and collectivist forms of organising and governing a community/nation. What is missing at the individualistic end of the continuum is the willingness to surrender to virtue, wisdom and sacredness due to the myriad distorted beliefs that are generated by the myopic vision of the left hemisphere so confidently occupied by the political right. McGilchrist would be an excellent person to invite into the Eye of the Storm discussions. Love and admire the work you are doing ❤️ please keep it up because we need you !!
Yanis: Don't give up because we need you to speak. Raoul: Don't give up beacuse we need you to speak. Brian: Don't give up beacuse we need you to speak.
Wonderful conversation. Thank you. I can't figure out how to buy the actual documentary. I don't have Amazon Prime. I can't seem to get it on Vimeo either.🙄
What a great conversation! And it is art in the sense that it mixes ideas from different backgrounds and visions of life, with the result of new combinations. Very thankful to have access to it.
Thanks so much for this discussion! The world desperately needs this kind of discussion to heal. In the end of the conversation, you mentioned an interesting thought, i.e. that the modern society tries to apply the left brain logics to solve complex problems we are now dealing with, but that only makes it worse. The similar thoughts are found in the work of a British philosopher and specialist in neurocognitive science, Iain McGilchrist. Moreover, he also underlies the importance of art, humanities, and imagination for the well-being of the society, in the era where many things - that make us human - are more and more reduced to algorithms and metrics. It would be lovely to see him as your guest, especially in the company of such a great thinker and artist as Brian Eno.
I write music, it's all that keeps me living. But I cant make money from it, I wouldn't know how, but it's what I do, and anything else destroys my soul, as 20 years of working in customer services did.
The active choice that is required to surrendering control to being a part of an ecosystem… it seems logical and succinct when presented like that, but until I heard it framed this way, I never realized how there’s power in the active choice, and it’s not a surrendering of agency! Stimulating conversation! Thanks for sharing!
At the 15 minute mark. The Welsh artist (rapper, singer, etc) calls art an "empathy window," in that one of the essential features is you have to be able to imagine and sympathise with an other, that is, feel empathy. Empathy becomes a window into difference. If this is the case, then the program of austerity, which feels no empathy for the other, is not merely cutting budgets but waging war on those things that can produce that empathy which will naturally be critical of it.
I don’t believe that artists, or anyone for that matter, are not doing “enough” just because they are not actively involved in politics. They are certainly not to blame for the rise of the extreme right. There are other ways of making a positive difference in life that are equally important.
Great guests and program. Thanks. "Art is for sissies"., Who do not or cannot know the difference between fantasy and reality. A simple photograph 'artistically' taken/edited etc. can transform an industry. A piece of music can calm the spirit of the most insidious warring criminal. A portrait of a vase of flowers and a violin can be the inspiration for a prosperous family genealogy or a pedigree, make a grown man cry, heal the spiritual wounds of trauma or unite a civilization. Let us not underestimate the profound power of the 'arts' and music more specifically. It's the only endeavour nobody needs permission or license to engage in.
art, art, art ... within and without ... real and rlevant ... the aesthetic regime ... always present always available ... here and now and transcendent as well ... like the breath, like life, like death as well ...
Raoul makes a comment which made me sit up... that the entirety of environmental damage caused by industrial production has been externalised away from the owners of the means of that production. Yet another reason to my thinking that the allocation of money in our culture makes no sense... and is entirely without justice, thus making work generally also a dubious phenomenon.
'Religion as a form of art', says Eno. I'd love to see the paper when he writes it. This is fascinating, I only ever thought of him as an innovative musician, never imagined he'd have the whatever left over to be proper innovative thinker.
There are those of us who cling to the existing paradigm, and then there are the rest of us who want to change and know we MUST change and who are willing to do what is necessary for the benefit of everyone and the planet as a whole. The current system is unsustainable and everyone knows it, even those who fear changing it. But we must. Status quo is not an option.
Those first words from Brian lamenting the state of the arts and the lack of resistance from artists themselves is just heartbreaking. Everybody still wants to be a pop star though.
If on any jobs an individual applies for, there is such legal information and issue as "Profiling of the individual" that they company are aware from any social media being used by the interviewer, this is a breach of the UK article 8 of Human Rights Act 1988 from which it clearly states that: "An individual do have the right to correspondence and privacy and family." and it's also a breach of UK Data Protection Act 2018, "data should be used very fairly, proportionate and not against the individual" therefore such breaches could lead to up to 30 years imprisonment under the UK laws..of the HR jobs Department.. Best to you, Ivan Klass
pls keep speaking yanis 35:52 and pls i hope many people continue to share yanis's technofeudalism book, every human deserves to understand our shared cloud serfdom
The philosophy of 21st century politics are: "There isn't such a thing as society or there's such a thing as art that projects the society as itself to be monoculture." Written by Ivan Klass
Just the first 10 minutes present the normal logic that's missing from most ppl; and we wonder what's going wrong and why... I have no idea what political views Brian Eno has and I'm not truly familiar with his own art, but he's a gem for these few words alone. This is a win. But it's a win that few appreciate and understand, much like the good music that goes largely unnoticed by most. It's why I've been mentioning things about vicious cycles and paradoxes and self-inflicted prophecies... We don't really get what we choose every day (well, most of us again). And yes, marketing and the capitalistic greed is ingrained in us now, and i don't see many truly determined to resist anything about it, lol... Choices speak volumes no matter how much some ppl shout against things and situations. When you say you oppose the roots of evil you should at least, dunno, not have the same goals-incentives as the ones you criticize. It's all quite ridiculous by now, and we always choose the most self-destructive way to view life. And blame whatever we want to blame on whoever it is we want to blame (beat). No matter how successful such strategies are in achieving sabotaging others etc, we cannot get more stupid than that. Pfft. Yes, what we like and choose says everything about us (and shows the level of deep hopelessness, and the type of enjoyment in that despair - been seeing even younger ppl, not necessarily teens, unable to enjoy the normal things they should be enjoying, and instead being turned into trolls and cynics of the worst type). But how many are looking (with the right balance) at themselves to see what they've become?
"All art is propaganda. It is universally and inescapably propaganda; sometimes unconsciously, but often deliberately, propaganda." U. Sinclair (I think)
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What a pleasant surprise to find two of my favorite people, gathered together for a talk. Thank you, Brian and Yanis.
I think they're friends. They've certainly spoken in public together before.
And the fantastic filmmaker Raoul Martinez...
"The one lasting, remaining American value: buying shit!" - George Carlin. It applies to Europe too.
"There's nothing more toxically political than the statement 'politics doesn't matter '."
Thanks, guys, for verbalising what I've been trying to communicate so unsuccessfully to those around me for decades.
Art does matter. We mustn't leave a vacuum for the right to fill.
We can all do something to help.
Eno is a legend. Can't wait to listen to this one.
It's a pleasure to hear from Brian on these issues. Thanks, Yanis.
There aren't any council houses to be sold as they have already been sold to the banks, via the owners by the Tories.
Art should be a basis for civilization not an extra. It makes meaning for a human existence, and we need meaning more than ever in our profound overshoot.
Brian Eno is one of the greatest musicians in the world, one of my icons who marked my youth and more... Thank you Brian Eno for your courage... 💕💕❤❤
Yanis is so right. The only way I know of the Spanish Civil War is from the Picasso depiction. For me my whole understanding of the event is from his interpretation.
it's not too late to read For Whom the Bell Tolls and understand a little more .
A heartfelt thank you to Raoul for this so important podcast. In these bleak times (thoughts of the people in Gaza) we need to be reminded of what our soul is crying out for - namely people that give us hope and inspire us to go out there and do something the world needs (thank you, Brian!). Yanis, yes we need you to speak!
I love when Yanis and Brian do these discussions.
And the
filmmaker
Raoul.
I love Yanis' great respect for the transcedence and for the transformative value of art.
Wow. Brian Eno and Yanis? What a treat.
And the filmmaker Raoul Martinez.
Eno is a national treasure.
Eno is a world heritage site! 😆
Please don't stop! I need you to keep talking. I've watched all the episodes and I'm looking forward to the next one. The word is resistance. Many thanks to everyone involved in this project! ❤
Brilliant
What a great soul-feeding conversation! so many gems! Particularly Brian Eno's thoughts about the value of surrender. BIG thanks for this!🌷
Two brilliant thinkers.
Three....
As a writer, artist, poet, philospher, inventor and tutor, I recently wrote a short story called School 2094. The 6 core subjects would be 1. Creativity & Invention 2. Appreciating the Earth 3. Ethics 4. Family 5. Languages and 6. Survival. Education is one of the biggest failures of the dark age we are going through.
I could not agree more!! Blessings on your endeavor ❤
Thankyou ... each ... inspired and inspiring ... art , heart and hearth 🙃
Such a wonderful talk! I learned a lot. Love .
Don’t give up, because we need you!!!
Another brilliant convo btw these two !
As a French speaking person, I very much appreciate the mixing, in one conversation, of not only art & politics but also of spirituality & politics. In the French culture, things a much more separated. It's usually totally different people who would talk about those different dimensions of existence. Pitty!
Thank you so much for the depth of this talk in particular and for the depth of the whole series really ♥♥♥
Loved this ❤
What a wonderful conversation. There was so much i related to. I've spent my life in the arts, as well as working on where and how that crosses into political movement - i think the arts have always been central to social discourse and therefor, politics - I have found one informs the other in a circular motion and this is where humankind can be so powerful, especially that point where surrender occurs, the ego gets out of the way and that wave gets ridden! I also had a radio show for a while called, 'The Arts and Politics" because, to me they are both practices that shape our lives and are capable of enhancing each other. Thanks again, i look forward to hearing more, Bryony, Australia.
I so enjoyed listening to this. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Love these. Keep it up.
An Artist must look for light in his heart, in his emotions, in his suffering to extract possibly a breath of creation..
Totally agree with Varoufakis on the need to separate Natural Sciences and Social Sciences.
This is such an amazing and insightful conversation which would be broadened and contextualised further I think by bringing to people’s awareness the work of Iain McGilchrist (see his books The Master snd His Emissary and The Matter With Things Vols 1 & 2).
McGilchrist cites Murdochs’s book on the sovereignty of the good amongst close to 6000 other references in showing how the brain’s left hemisphere with its narrowed (and so limited/blindspot attention) values power, control, utility and pleasure over all else while the right hemisphere stands back in open and curious receptivity to experience (a precursor to surrender) and is guided by values aligned to integrity/virtue, wisdom (beauty, goodness and truth) and the sacred connectedness of all things.
The left and right hemispheres are in a dialectical tension just as at a societal (political, economic, spiritual) level their is tension between the individualistic and collectivist forms of organising and governing a community/nation.
What is missing at the individualistic end of the continuum is the willingness to surrender to virtue, wisdom and sacredness due to the myriad distorted beliefs that are generated by the myopic vision of the left hemisphere so confidently occupied by the political right.
McGilchrist would be an excellent person to invite into the Eye of the Storm discussions.
Love and admire the work you are doing ❤️ please keep it up because we need you !!
fantastic broadcast, life affirming and very stimulating. wonderful, thank you
8:33 David Graber was such a gift
Yanis: Don't give up because we need you to speak.
Raoul: Don't give up beacuse we need you to speak.
Brian: Don't give up beacuse we need you to speak.
Yeah, the same tedious old mantras. Eno has always been dull outside of his day job.
@@ColtraneTaylor😂
@@stuartsmith5146 😉
Wonderful conversation. Thank you. I can't figure out how to buy the actual documentary. I don't have Amazon Prime. I can't seem to get it on Vimeo either.🙄
I love to see Brian Eno in our camp ❤️🎶 legend!
What a great conversation! And it is art in the sense that it mixes ideas from different backgrounds and visions of life, with the result of new combinations. Very thankful to have access to it.
Art is not knowledge, it's questioning and investigating.
An astute observation.
Excellent discussion,,,,thank you!
Brian Eno
"Discreet Music " Beautiful! Thank You Yanis. Also thanks to Raoul.
Thanks so much for this discussion! The world desperately needs this kind of discussion to heal. In the end of the conversation, you mentioned an interesting thought, i.e. that the modern society tries to apply the left brain logics to solve complex problems we are now dealing with, but that only makes it worse. The similar thoughts are found in the work of a British philosopher and specialist in neurocognitive science, Iain McGilchrist. Moreover, he also underlies the importance of art, humanities, and imagination for the well-being of the society, in the era where many things - that make us human - are more and more reduced to algorithms and metrics. It would be lovely to see him as your guest, especially in the company of such a great thinker and artist as Brian Eno.
Great discussion on those topics and their relations , coking out with the only question that wouldn t be taken in consideration
Of course, Brian Eno and Yannis Varafoukis! Why didn't I think of that? Bravo to the three of you.
I write music, it's all that keeps me living. But I cant make money from it, I wouldn't know how, but it's what I do, and anything else destroys my soul, as 20 years of working in customer services did.
The active choice that is required to surrendering control to being a part of an ecosystem… it seems logical and succinct when presented like that, but until I heard it framed this way, I never realized how there’s power in the active choice, and it’s not a surrendering of agency! Stimulating conversation! Thanks for sharing!
~28th minute....profoundly stated!!!!!! Thank you to ALL three.❤ P.S. Yanis: we need you to continue speaking.
👂🏼🧠
A warm bath, this talk about the beauty of life. This is what we should focus on if we want a more beautiful world... Thank you, guys.
The Radicality of Love - Srecko, Horvath
The Sovereignty of Good - Iris Murdoch
you're welcome ;)
Thank you all for this beautiful and meaningful conversation 👍🏼🕊️
Wonderful conversation. Inspiring
I didn’t know I needed this until I needed this . Fascinating conversation.
At the 15 minute mark. The Welsh artist (rapper, singer, etc) calls art an "empathy window," in that one of the essential features is you have to be able to imagine and sympathise with an other, that is, feel empathy. Empathy becomes a window into difference. If this is the case, then the program of austerity, which feels no empathy for the other, is not merely cutting budgets but waging war on those things that can produce that empathy which will naturally be critical of it.
Grande Brian Eno
Um gigante ❤❤❤❤
Riding on a bus through Kilburn... Great conversation.
This was a fantastic conversation. So glad I heard it. Thank you
So pleased to see an artistic hero of mine on your wonderful podcast. Excellent installment.
I don’t believe that artists, or anyone for that matter, are not doing “enough” just because they are not actively involved in politics. They are certainly not to blame for the rise of the extreme right. There are other ways of making a positive difference in life that are equally important.
Art is alchemical, it has transformative power.
What a beautiful conversation. Thank you🙏❤
Wonderful✊️✊️✊️
STEM makes modern life possible, but the Arts make modern life worth living. ✌🏼
Such an amazing conversation from a generally control freak, who was taught a lot today, on a different view of control.
Great guests and program. Thanks.
"Art is for sissies"., Who do not or cannot know the difference between fantasy and reality. A simple photograph 'artistically' taken/edited etc. can transform an industry. A piece of music can calm the spirit of the most insidious warring criminal. A portrait of a vase of flowers and a violin can be the inspiration for a prosperous family genealogy or a pedigree, make a grown man cry, heal the spiritual wounds of trauma or unite a civilization.
Let us not underestimate the profound power of the 'arts' and music more specifically. It's the only endeavour nobody needs permission or license to engage in.
People who said about the art is for siss are the worst kind ever heard
@@kaeltkottmir But they do exist just about everywhere you look.
art, art, art ... within and without ... real and rlevant ... the aesthetic regime ... always present always available ... here and now and transcendent as well ... like the breath, like life, like death as well ...
outstanding thank you to you 3
Greetings from all the way Somalia, What a great discussion, two brilliant minds.
Three....
@@mariettestabel275 thanks for the correction. Three beautiful minds
@@MohaTahlil❤
Thank you very much for this very important conversation 🌼💛🌷
Raoul makes a comment which made me sit up... that the entirety of environmental damage caused by industrial production has been externalised away from the owners of the means of that production. Yet another reason to my thinking that the allocation of money in our culture makes no sense... and is entirely without justice, thus making work generally also a dubious phenomenon.
What a sparkling (if tired *wink) 60 minutes of film. Thank you for the insight, enlightenment and bleak inspiration for an unlikely better future.
Always good to hear Eno speak…very engaging. As was Veroufakis. Thank you for the video.
Brian you are an artist I really like - you have held me with your music - and we have never met - you make me feel connected to people are like me
Brain Eno motivated me to make ambient compositions. Great show!!!!
'Religion as a form of art', says Eno. I'd love to see the paper when he writes it. This is fascinating, I only ever thought of him as an innovative musician, never imagined he'd have the whatever left over to be proper innovative thinker.
Jesteś na dobrej drodze.
Fabulous discussion as always. Thank you.
There are those of us who cling to the existing paradigm, and then there are the rest of us who want to change and know we MUST change and who are willing to do what is necessary for the benefit of everyone and the planet as a whole. The current system is unsustainable and everyone knows it, even those who fear changing it. But we must. Status quo is not an option.
Yes ✊
Those first words from Brian lamenting the state of the arts and the lack of resistance from artists themselves is just heartbreaking. Everybody still wants to be a pop star though.
If on any jobs an individual applies for, there is such legal information and issue as "Profiling of the individual" that they company are aware from any social media being used by the interviewer, this is a breach of the UK article 8 of Human Rights Act 1988 from which it clearly states that: "An individual do have the right to correspondence and privacy and family." and it's also a breach of UK Data Protection Act 2018, "data should be used very fairly, proportionate and not against the individual" therefore such breaches could lead to up to 30 years imprisonment under the UK laws..of the HR jobs Department.. Best to you, Ivan Klass
Here because of Sunshine Jones.....and Yanis and Brian! Love
yanis is GOAT 🙌
Excellent conversation...you guys plowed over a lot of ground...I'm tired!
BRIAN ENO, ENNIO MORRICONE, ERIC SERRA
My solid top ever evers.
pls keep speaking yanis 35:52 and pls i hope many people continue to share yanis's technofeudalism book, every human deserves to understand our shared cloud serfdom
egg-heads united!
The temple of Efea and the setting at Aegina is indeed stunning.
Very interesting talk. Ask Charles Eisenstein on 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Thank you all so inspyering
The philosophy of 21st century politics are: "There isn't such a thing as society or there's such a thing as art that projects the society as itself to be monoculture." Written by Ivan Klass
Voltaire made his first success with a play. The arts are the beginning of movements.
Amazing 👍
Just the first 10 minutes present the normal logic that's missing from most ppl; and we wonder what's going wrong and why...
I have no idea what political views Brian Eno has and I'm not truly familiar with his own art, but he's a gem for these few words alone.
This is a win.
But it's a win that few appreciate and understand, much like the good music that goes largely unnoticed by most.
It's why I've been mentioning things about vicious cycles and paradoxes and self-inflicted prophecies... We don't really get what we choose every day (well, most of us again). And yes, marketing and the capitalistic greed is ingrained in us now, and i don't see many truly determined to resist anything about it, lol... Choices speak volumes no matter how much some ppl shout against things and situations.
When you say you oppose the roots of evil you should at least, dunno, not have the same goals-incentives as the ones you criticize.
It's all quite ridiculous by now, and we always choose the most self-destructive way to view life. And blame whatever we want to blame on whoever it is we want to blame (beat). No matter how successful such strategies are in achieving sabotaging others etc, we cannot get more stupid than that. Pfft.
Yes, what we like and choose says everything about us (and shows the level of deep hopelessness, and the type of enjoyment in that despair - been seeing even younger ppl, not necessarily teens, unable to enjoy the normal things they should be enjoying, and instead being turned into trolls and cynics of the worst type).
But how many are looking (with the right balance) at themselves to see what they've become?
...in the words of Frodo:
Can you protect me from yourself?
🤔
"All art is propaganda. It is universally and inescapably propaganda; sometimes unconsciously, but often deliberately, propaganda." U. Sinclair (I think)
Deliberate artistic alienation.
Thanks for this!
I would love to hear a conversation between Brian Eno and Iain McGilchrist.
No Eno, Art is not like religion! Art is beauty, honesty, goodness... Religion is dogmatic.
I would like to know at least one example of a dangerous art
I recommend the documentary Century of the Self! its here on youtube
Thanks. I'll check this out 👍
PS...Ooooh, I've discovered it's by Adam Curtis!!! It'll be mind-changing! 😍
Brian eno seems, surprisingly, intellectually mundane! And yanis appears spiritually equivalent.
I think serious more than mundane because it is very important to him.
What hope does a Marxist have in that area?
"The Odysseus mythology of a great social friendship that never surrender..." Written by Ivan Klass