Fun fact: I used music from Unleashed and Runners in this video because they were composed by Ohtani, who used to make some truly amazing music. He did the music to Forces and I hate almost all of it. I...don't know what happened. I want my violins and pianos and saxophones back, god damn it.
I suck at the game? I mean that's a very shallow way to try and disprove somebody's opinion, and I also don't have any gameplay of myself playing Forces, so I don't see how you came to that conclusion. Either that or you're just joking, which is fine.
In my opinion, you shouldn't buy Sonic Forces at all. Rent it for a night, beat it, be done with it. If you believe that this game does not take the franchise in a direction that you want it to go, vote with your wallet and let them know by not buying it.
To me, an Adventure 3 is only a step back if they pick up on the bad elements of Adventure. I would like to see a return to Adventure 1's style of Sonic and Tails gameplay for sure, but with refinement, and level design more like Utopia. It's only when you start introducing all of the bad elements that a return to the Adventure style is a bad idea. I would have been fine with another Boost game if it was actually good.
Sonic adventure would not be a step back, they barley used the gameplay style. sega is fucking stupid, use the boost formula for the adventure series it will work.
Iizuka is a moron. All he does is talk out of his ass when it comes to Sonic. I have a lot of ideas for what Sonic Adventure 3 should be. And I think it could work, if done right.
@@telekinesticman I think treasure hunting and shooting can work in sonic games, as long as their flaws are removed and bugs are ironed out. those elements (apart from big) are what make sonic adventure, well, sonic adventure.
My reasons to dislike it are simple 1 they hype up infinite to be a complete badass then Sonic just destroy him without going super 2 the story ends the same cheesy way 3 the final boss was just the same bullshit it's final form was the nega wisp armor boss From Sonic colors
And they retconned Classic Sonic's backstory, by saying that he's from "another dimension". NO! He is NOT from another dimension! He is just Sonic's younger past self. They can miss me with that bullshit!
This game was made with no love. Anyone that reveres Sonic for what made him great wouldn't greenlight this steaming pile of mediocrity. Just hire the Utopia team already, Sega.
no love. How do you know that? do you think that they were kissing every pixel in Sonic mania and making them only for love and passion? Fuck no, is money dude. Everything is money
Obviously everyone wants to get paid. But there's an undeniable difference between the Forces/Mania dev teams when it comes to showcasing what makes Sonic great.
Why? Forces is one think, Mania is another thing. Of course maybe fans can make a more passionate job, but why FORCES wasn´t made for love? if you want a game to be loved, you have to love it too
I am one to defend most Sonic games that get a bad rep, and while I do still kind of enjoy this game in some ways...I can't defend this one as much. It wasn't glitchy or anything like that, but I was disappointed after beating it. I know they said they spent like 4 years making this game, but with the exception of next to no glitches, it still felt rushed. I had somewhat higher hopes, but still had an open mind, and in the end the game was just ok.
I feel that's a good way of looking at it. If I honestly thought this game was good, if I truly thought everyone else was missing something, then I would say something about it. A good example would be that I absolutely love The Lost World: Jurassic Park, even though I know a lot of people hate that movie. Some day I actually want to make a video about that. Unfortunately for Forces though,, I'm in the same boat as everyone else who thinks this is just a poor entry into the series.
TelekinesticMan Yeah, this was Sonic Team and Sega's big chance to show that they could make a decent modern Sonic game, and they blew it. I think they need to get away from the boost formula, and not do as much nostalgia pandering and make a great maybe open world Sonic game. Honestly, they should look at Mario Odyssey and take notes. I'm not saying they need to make a Sonic Adventure 3, but they would've been better off.
Thank you for your opinion because I have been a Sonic fan since Sonic Adventure and I was hoping Sonic Forces would be good but out of all the gameplay I have seen it definitely looks like this is a step back in quality for 3D Sonic games. I will probably wait for a huge discount and then maybe play it before the next new Sonic game.
I can totally agree with this. Expect for the music and avatar (I like costom characters buuuuut this one felt more like fan service than anything) and I think the music fine cuz I like that type of music. And here are some problems I had with the game: • the story • very very cheap deaths/ auto lock on system (at some parts) • Sonic's Jump. His jump felt like controling an anvil in the air even easy jumps were hard. • level design. So flat and short • classic sonic. He had absolutely no reason to be there • avatars speed. When you try to go over a short distance (like trying to jump to a platform) their speed would go from 0/100 real fast. Anyway sorry this was so long.
I like this game a lot, but I can see some of your criticisms. Personally, I don't mind linear design, but I do dislike straightforward design or stages that are too horizontal. 3d Sonic stages have always been linear, but never this horizontal or boxed in. I think making things more open and vertical would help future releases.
If people hate you for your criticism then they are a 8 year with a deformidable brain like I am a fan of sonic myself and doze but when you hate sonic forces it is fine but if you like it thats also good but if you say if everything about it is ok then you might wanna play the video and watch what he is telling you.
Although I don't agree with everything you said, I still liked the video and do agree with majority of it. It was well made and well justified. I'll still probably get the game (as I haven't yet) but, a lot of the problems I had, came true too. In fact they were some of the things you mentioned. All in all, good video. Keep it up.
Odyssey was better. But I don’t think the concept of forces is bad, but the gameplay and story is I mean joining together. That’s the concept that’s interesting. And I’m saying this as a person who hates sonic games.
Yeah, I'd say make the goal of the level a bit easier to find and a bit quicker to get to, but still allow the player to explore the entire rest of the map.
The next game should be a 3D game where all characters can use the spin dash as well as their unique moves with awesome level design and a really good soundtrack that doesn't try to sound retro.
To be honest, the only stages I liked in this games are the avatar stages. Yeah I'm the type of making avatars/OCs and use them, plus the wispons gives variety in terms of gameplay. The main problem is the level design, the 1 minute short levels and the lack of challenge. But I kinda expected that, and that's why I chose the PC version for future mods... if that day eventually comes, that is...
Mods could be interesting, since some elements of Modern Sonic's control with the air boost and things are just a little bit smoother, so making new levels with the boost formula could be quite cool. People also managed to mod the controls of Generations, so maybe someone can mod the drift and other things back into Forces? Who knows...
the thing is, Sonic_171 000x, that you have been bashing the game so badly that your mind won´t and can´t accept to change of mine, since your words are facts for you. In my case, I thought it would be better, I´m not running naked in the street saying: "Holy crap, my prediction was true"
To clarify from my perspective, I thought the game would be bad quite early on, but I wanted to be proven wrong. Every time they showed off something, I was hoping maybe it would show some improvements to the gameplay, level design or music, but no. There are still a few little bits and pieces of the full game that I'm sure I will enjoy to some extent when I actually play it, but overall, the game is bad to me. Once you're only a month or two away from release, and more footage is coming out that just looks bad, it's no longer a case of "I want to be proven wrong", because it's just too late.
TelekinesticMan I was hoping to be proven wrong in some areas too. But I wasn't, this game made no improvements at all. And for four years of development time... This turned out to be the most underwhelming and disappointing game from Sonic Team to me.
I had baaaad feelings about this game right from the start, but most people plugged their ears and didn't want to hear it. Pretty satisfying to have been proven right but I wish more people didn't blindly defend a piece of entertainment before it's even released.
@@telekinesticman Dude, I knew it was bad. I played it awhile ago when it was free on Ps4...and believe me I hated it all the way. Sonic would not shut the fuck up
@@telekinesticman Playing almost all the sonic games over the years, at least they were fun compared to forces....I FUCKING GRINDED SONIC AND THE SECRET RINGS and got every achivement and and that was more fun that that.
I think it's pretty decent. Satisfying gameplay, good presentation and I like the avatar stuff more than I thought I would. Plus on the Switch it's portable My complaints are framerate (on Switch anyway) and the modern/avatar control feels muddy on 2.5D sections. Levels are a little too short too
It really pissed me off when I was playing the game when I just kept going into booster pads and pop up springs, it's so annoying and isn't even necessary, it doesn't even make you go faster, only for classic sonic ones it dose and it should let you use your momentum and not have the game do it for you, even though there isn't momentum. The pop up springs piss me off because the game doesn't even let me jump onto a simple platform without a spring popping up to do it for me just so I don't have to press a to jump. I hate how the levels are just straight lines and I just really want an open world game like utopia. The game also keeps giving you boost capsules, for example in luminous forest you run into a countless amount of enemies. When you destroy an enemy you get boost. What's the point of giving me boost capsules when I have plenty of boost anyway? What's funny though is that I still had a lot of fun with the game. It just feels really automated most of the time.
I enjoyed the video dude. As a heads up though for Nintendo games, since you're still small you wont have to worry about copyright claims from the AI as long as the games audio is muted. If you have your voice over taking up all of the attention then the bot wont catch the visuals for some reason. Mind you, the video can still get manually claimed, but again since you're still a small channel, they won't be looking for you really. Just speaking from experience.
Nah that doesn't do much for me. I still get auto-matched for any Nintendo footage or visuals all the time, unfortunately. Thanks for the tips, though!
I honestly feel like the only reason Forces was made was because Sonic Team wanted to reuse the Phantom Ruby for another game, so they just threw something together off the top of their heads. I mean, to be fair, it doesn't seem very fun to give the villain an item that makes them nearly _omnipotent,_ and then only use it for one game...
I never really liked the boost games, although this is a worst case scenario for the formula. I thought Generations was heading in the right direction but this back-pedalled so much I’m willing to bunch this in with some of my least favourite games in the entire series
I know I haven't necessarily been comparing Forces and Odyssey, since they are very different, but more that they're both platformers that released at the same time, and one is a much better game than the other.
I have a feeling this one will be very polarising, yes. But I think a majority of the fanbase, at least those in "higher power" in terms of publicity and social media presence, will hold a view similar to my own.
Thank you! That means a lot to me, because I try to structure my arguments and points quite fairly, although I do love to add a bit of sarcasm and snark for a little bit of "humour", if you can call it that. It's nice to see there are still those out there who can accept that not everyone needs to like or dislike the same things in the same way.
If they kick out Whitehead then they are truly stupid, because he is the heart and soul of that entire team. At the very least his engine is the core powerhouse of Mania, so removing him would just be so dumb from SEGA.
5:57 is honestly the only part that bothers me about the criticisms of Forces. I feel like it's not fair to constantly compare the game to what is basically a rom hack of an already perfected system, to the point that it offers very little new in terms of expanding on the Sonic series. Comparing it to Generations is a more appropriate since it's basically Generations 2.0 with the inclusion of the avatar character. I've only played UnWii-shed and Colors, an while I liked the boost in the former and not the latter, I've heard many praise Generations for its improvements to the boost formula. So it baffles me that the took a step down and just made a boost game on auto pilot.
I actually think Unleashed is the best 3D Sonic game ever made, Generations would be like a second with Adventure 2 being third. I think Colours is good to, but the 2d level design in Colours is amazing.
I love a lot of aspects of Unleashed, mainly the aesthetics and tone of the story. It also has the best introductory cutscene of any Sonic game (although CD's is very close), but it would be even better without the Werehog stuff. In general it's the Werehog, medal system and overall padding that holds Unleashed back for being "great" in my eyes. Also the level design isn't quite Generations territory yet, since it was the first boost game. Still though, Unleashed has my favourite soundtrack of any Sonic game (just above Adventure 1 and Mania), and is still the best looking Sonic game ever made.
I know my name might tear some of you away, but I agree with all of what you said , I like the game but these problems are so true. Awesome upload thank you much!
Sonicfan2005 Coolsonicguy STFU you don’t know shit you need to replay the game and come and tell me how you feel about it then, idiot I already hate you
In this instance, I'd say they ran out of ideas and were desperately trying to pander to the younger portion of the fanbase who love the Adventure games and/or Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic 06.
I don't think Mania is this OMG GOTY everyone are making it out to be for many reasons, starting with the fact that it has 8 old stages out 12 (and I don't care if they have new level design), and it frankly looks more like a glorified ROM hack, and I don't like Generations either (in fact, I hate Modern Seaside Hill so damn much. It's literally a Deathpit fest, and the way its alternate paths is designed is divided between "good" route or "pain in the ass that takes a shitload of time and gives you nothing" route, case in point, the turtle route). But I agree on what you said on Forces. It fails as a Boost game, it fails at trying to bring back a serious tone to the series (Infinite is a total failure as a character), it fails at trying to be funny just like Colors and Lost World and Boom, the Avatar's Wispons are poorman versions of the other characters (Burst = Blaze, Cube Hammer = Amy, Drill = Knuckles, and so on), and yes, even the music is mediocre (minus Light Of Hope).
Mania is just so damn good, but I agree the old stages hold the game back a bit. Disagree on Seaside Hill though, I think it's pretty damn good. Yeah the bottomless pits are a bit annoying, but at least you can boost across them.
TelekinesticMan Ehhhh I dunno. It plays good, I guess, but that doesn't really cut it for me. But you'll never catch me playing that stage from Gens and saying I'm having fun. It's not just the deathpits, it's how barren and plain this game is when it goes 3D. There is no exploration in Generations. It's just straight lines or very barren empty fields of nothing. And the stages are way too short, not to mention the joke that is the ranking system. That said, I don't like Generations as a whole either. Still agreed with the rest you said. Really, your What's next for 3D Sonic vid was really well done.
to me the game was good, "hears angry people claiming i'm wrong". Let me explain, Sonic Forces may not be the best modern sonic game but it's not that bad of a game because it has good music, it (sometimes) has good level design, it has some dang good voice acting that isn't as cheesy as the adventure series, and the concept was amazing for a dark modern sonic game.
does anyone remember sonic colors team and how GREAT they did, SEGA HIRE THEM ALREADY MAN SONIC COLORS WAS SO AMAZING AND I PLAYED IT UGH GO BACK TO THAT PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In my opinion you need to play the game to it’s fullest in order to properly review it. But yea it kinda sucks but it kinda doesn’t. It’s okay but it could have been so much more.
I agree! This video isn't an in-depth review at all, hence why in the video I mentioned that I would need to play the full game in order to properly have an in-depth opinion of the entire game. In broad strokes, however, I think it is fair for me to call the game bad, or disappointing.
Is it just me but Forces gets way too much hate than it deserves. I think Forces is an average Sonic game. One thing that annoys me is that people who like games like Colors, Generations are shitting on this game, especially those who like Colors. Colors and Forces in terms of level design and control play very similarly and its a fact. Forces have better gameplay than Colors, as well as content, replayability, and story. Colors fans seriously have no right to shit on this game. Both games are riddled with 2D. Forces have much much better 2D sections than Colors. The 2D sections in Colors are so blocky, slow and linear. It looks like a generic platformer. Forces balance speed, more difficulty, and platforming into the 2D sections. Forces tried to do more 3D than Colors but they were very automated. Colors didn't really have 3D sections at all but they were just a bit better(because of the drift) but this doesn't mean Colors is better. As for Generations. Generations is lackluster and shallow. The game is incredibly short. Yes the gameplay is better but Generations is lacking in overall package/content. The story is shit and the content is really fucking bad too. It's simply just a game that has okay gameplay with nothing else to look at. This is 2017!! Games have evolved. Having just gameplay won't cut it. Forces at least has more content, like the OC and the amount of shit you can unlock for it, as well a much better story. Hell! They have the same fucking director as Colours. The hate from these fans just gotta stop!
I'm not a massive fan of Colours so that point doesn't really work against me, personally. Generations on the other hand I do really quite enjoy, but I will agree it can be rather shallow. However, Generations offers me the ability to explore and speedrun stages in fun, creative ways when utilising Sonic's skills in a 3D (or most of the time, 2D) environment. It's not perfect, but Forces is still a massive step backwards.
That''s true but even the peak game in the Post Colors era(Generations) is not even that good. Generations although has better gameplay is incredibly short with no content what so ever.
To make a definite judgement like that, I would absolutely need to fully play Forces. I don't think the game is objectively worse than 06 though, not at the moment at least. The situation Forces was released in (after Generations) makes the low quality inexcusable, but the game itself is not quite Shadow/06/Boom bad, I would say. It's still bad, but maybe not THAT bad.
Why i dont like it very much: 1: Classic sonic spindash is fucking very slow 2 metal sonic and infinite 3 is like the same boss 3 Where the fuck are the chaos emeralds? Isnt the game made to not let eggman get them 4 classic sonic is a big fucking bug its very slow badass acceleration Thats just my opinion (i like the game but not very much
I assume you want my opinion because you said "answer me", and I guess I sort of agree? I don't think Orbot and Cubot determine the success of the entire game, since I do enjoy Colours, but overall I would probably prefer them to not be present. Maybe they would fit better with some reworking.
Eh, I'm not personally a fan of Scratch and Grounder, and I don't think the games would be allowed to use those characters without an extreme amount of legal work. I think maybe Eggman would be more interesting to bounce off different types of villain side-characters. I personally enjoy his aggressive, condescending teamwork with Shadow and Rouge in Adventure 2. It feels like they all sort of hate each other a bit, but they also care just enough to keep working together. It's engaging!
but theyre funny iwas watching aosth and my favorite part was when in episode 3 those guys said cheese and the thing that made me laugh is theyre smile its so hilarious!! watch it.
Yes you are correct it is not a very good game the story is boring the gameplay is just bad and the graphics suck and don’t even get me started on classic sonic
Um...no they don't. That's factually incorrect. If we're going into DEEP SONIC LORE MODE, Green Hill Zone is on South Island, and was just an area Sonic zoomed past in his first game. Much like how all of the zones in Sonic 2 are from West Side Island, and all of Sonic 3&K takes place on Angel Island, etc. etc. Sonic doesn't even "live" anywhere, he's basically a drifter. Now, characters like Tails and Amy are implied to "live" somewhere across the games, but not in Green Hill. It gets tricky since every game seems to contradict the last one, but at no point in the main series canon have they ever "lived" in Green Hill. This is part of the reason why people are so sick of it, myself included. It has no reason to come back all the time.
There's a difference between disliking or even hating something, and being a "hater". I said in the video that calling someone a "hater" is a childish way to brush aside somebody else's entirely valid opinion.
Sonic forces is not a bad game i play sonic forces before on my ps4 and it if it was a bad game it will be sonic o6 2 but is not sonic o6 2 is sonic forces !!!! 😠😠😠😠 i like that game so much i can play it all day sonic forces it not a very bad game it like sonic mania i ilke sonic forces and sonic mania .
You know that Sonic 06 isn't the only bad game ever made, right? There are other bad games and there can and will be more bad games in the future. To me, Forces is a bad game. Just because it isn't 06 again doesn't mean it can't be bad, that's just poor logic.
yeah i was bummed my son wanted me play i downloaded super sonic dlc its okay and fans are doing better than sonic team and i am getting my money back for. this game
Fun fact: I used music from Unleashed and Runners in this video because they were composed by Ohtani, who used to make some truly amazing music. He did the music to Forces and I hate almost all of it. I...don't know what happened. I want my violins and pianos and saxophones back, god damn it.
TelekinesticMan Exactly! People shouldn't be so sensitive because of others opinions
TelekinesticMan I'm not getting the game either. It doesn't look good
I suck at the game? I mean that's a very shallow way to try and disprove somebody's opinion, and I also don't have any gameplay of myself playing Forces, so I don't see how you came to that conclusion. Either that or you're just joking, which is fine.
First i don't give a fuck about you,re opinion and you hate the game not even buying that's fucking dumb
If you don't care about my opinion, why did you watch the video? Just sayin'.
In my opinion, you shouldn't buy Sonic Forces at all. Rent it for a night, beat it, be done with it. If you believe that this game does not take the franchise in a direction that you want it to go, vote with your wallet and let them know by not buying it.
Exactly! That's the point of this video entirely, people seem to think this was a review of the game despite me not playing it.
Bought it anyway. Loved it. Did I make you MAAAD?
Sidney Titus well technically when I say “loved” I mean I enjoyed it. Despite this, It’s not a great game.
And Iizuka says, we cant make adventure 3, cuz, that is a step back.....
using a poorly boost gameplay, is a giant step back.
To me, an Adventure 3 is only a step back if they pick up on the bad elements of Adventure. I would like to see a return to Adventure 1's style of Sonic and Tails gameplay for sure, but with refinement, and level design more like Utopia. It's only when you start introducing all of the bad elements that a return to the Adventure style is a bad idea. I would have been fine with another Boost game if it was actually good.
I think you mean can't
Sonic adventure would not be a step back, they barley used the gameplay style. sega is fucking stupid, use the boost formula for the adventure series it will work.
Iizuka is a moron. All he does is talk out of his ass when it comes to Sonic. I have a lot of ideas for what Sonic Adventure 3 should be. And I think it could work, if done right.
@@telekinesticman I think treasure hunting and shooting can work in sonic games, as long as their flaws are removed and bugs are ironed out. those elements (apart from big) are what make sonic adventure, well, sonic adventure.
My reasons to dislike it are simple
1 they hype up infinite to be a complete badass then Sonic just destroy him without going super
2 the story ends the same cheesy way
3 the final boss was just the same bullshit it's final form was the nega wisp armor boss
From Sonic colors
"True Dat!"- Miles "Tails" Prower 2017
XD
And they retconned Classic Sonic's backstory, by saying that he's from "another dimension". NO! He is NOT from another dimension! He is just Sonic's younger past self. They can miss me with that bullshit!
It's because they want to make them separate characters which is dumb.
Scottdreemurr yep
This game was made with no love. Anyone that reveres Sonic for what made him great wouldn't greenlight this steaming pile of mediocrity.
Just hire the Utopia team already, Sega.
no love. How do you know that? do you think that they were kissing every pixel in Sonic mania and making them only for love and passion? Fuck no, is money dude. Everything is money
Obviously everyone wants to get paid. But there's an undeniable difference between the Forces/Mania dev teams when it comes to showcasing what makes Sonic great.
Why? Forces is one think, Mania is another thing. Of course maybe fans can make a more passionate job, but why FORCES wasn´t made for love? if you want a game to be loved, you have to love it too
I like this game, but I would not be against that. Utopia is awesome!
Under Gaming.com Make your mind up, were they in it for love or the money
I am one to defend most Sonic games that get a bad rep, and while I do still kind of enjoy this game in some ways...I can't defend this one as much. It wasn't glitchy or anything like that, but I was disappointed after beating it. I know they said they spent like 4 years making this game, but with the exception of next to no glitches, it still felt rushed. I had somewhat higher hopes, but still had an open mind, and in the end the game was just ok.
I feel that's a good way of looking at it. If I honestly thought this game was good, if I truly thought everyone else was missing something, then I would say something about it. A good example would be that I absolutely love The Lost World: Jurassic Park, even though I know a lot of people hate that movie. Some day I actually want to make a video about that.
Unfortunately for Forces though,, I'm in the same boat as everyone else who thinks this is just a poor entry into the series.
TelekinesticMan Yeah, this was Sonic Team and Sega's big chance to show that they could make a decent modern Sonic game, and they blew it. I think they need to get away from the boost formula, and not do as much nostalgia pandering and make a great maybe open world Sonic game. Honestly, they should look at Mario Odyssey and take notes. I'm not saying they need to make a Sonic Adventure 3, but they would've been better off.
Apparently they only had 1 year. 3 years was spent on the engine.
Renard Bennett oh wow, didn't know that.
It has no glitches because you don't have enough control to find them.
Thank you for your opinion because I have been a Sonic fan since Sonic Adventure and I was hoping Sonic Forces would be good but out of all the gameplay I have seen it definitely looks like this is a step back in quality for 3D Sonic games. I will probably wait for a huge discount and then maybe play it before the next new Sonic game.
And people said this game would be better than Mario Odyssey HA! That'll be the day.
MLGPug 2 People actually thought that? LOL
RainbowFalcon IKR LOL.
MLGPug 2 it is fucker.
IM FUCKING JOKING
Sonicgaming 1235 I could tell lol.
Literally no one with a brain said that LOL
I can totally agree with this. Expect for the music and avatar (I like costom characters buuuuut this one felt more like fan service than anything) and I think the music fine cuz I like that type of music.
And here are some problems I had with the game:
• the story
• very very cheap deaths/ auto lock on system (at some parts)
• Sonic's Jump. His jump felt like controling an anvil in the air even easy jumps were hard.
• level design. So flat and short
• classic sonic. He had absolutely no reason to be there
• avatars speed. When you try to go over a short distance (like trying to jump to a platform) their speed would go from 0/100 real fast.
Anyway sorry this was so long.
I 100% agree with you. TRUST ME I DO. THIS GAME WAS MEDIOCRE TO THE CORE.
Have you play it
Yes! Sonic Utopia is our saviour!
Enjoy Artwork yes it is
I like this game a lot, but I can see some of your criticisms. Personally, I don't mind linear design, but I do dislike straightforward design or stages that are too horizontal. 3d Sonic stages have always been linear, but never this horizontal or boxed in. I think making things more open and vertical would help future releases.
8:13 YES exactly that is why I am pissed when people act like they will give this game a pass because they can't accept its problems.
I steel like the game
If people hate you for your criticism then they are a 8 year with a deformidable brain like I am a fan of sonic myself and doze but when you hate sonic forces it is fine but if you like it thats also good but if you say if everything about it is ok then you might wanna play the video and watch what he is telling you.
Although I don't agree with everything you said, I still liked the video and do agree with majority of it. It was well made and well justified. I'll still probably get the game (as I haven't yet) but, a lot of the problems I had, came true too. In fact they were some of the things you mentioned. All in all, good video. Keep it up.
Thank you! These are the kind of comments that are very nice to see.
TelekinesticMan no problem
Odyssey was better.
But I don’t think the concept of forces is bad, but the gameplay and story is
I mean joining together. That’s the concept that’s interesting.
And I’m saying this as a person who hates sonic games.
Btw, YES THE NEXT SONIC GAME SHOULD BE SONIC UTOPIA! (just a tad shorter levels. Just a tad)
Yeah, I'd say make the goal of the level a bit easier to find and a bit quicker to get to, but still allow the player to explore the entire rest of the map.
TelekinesticMan that's exactly what I thought honestly
The next game should be a 3D game where all characters can use the spin dash as well as their unique moves with awesome level design and a really good soundtrack that doesn't try to sound retro.
To be honest, the only stages I liked in this games are the avatar stages. Yeah I'm the type of making avatars/OCs and use them, plus the wispons gives variety in terms of gameplay.
The main problem is the level design, the 1 minute short levels and the lack of challenge.
But I kinda expected that, and that's why I chose the PC version for future mods... if that day eventually comes, that is...
Mods could be interesting, since some elements of Modern Sonic's control with the air boost and things are just a little bit smoother, so making new levels with the boost formula could be quite cool. People also managed to mod the controls of Generations, so maybe someone can mod the drift and other things back into Forces? Who knows...
I predicted it would be terrible as well. Very disappointing game.
the thing is, Sonic_171 000x, that you have been bashing the game so badly that your mind won´t and can´t accept to change of mine, since your words are facts for you. In my case, I thought it would be better, I´m not running naked in the street saying: "Holy crap, my prediction was true"
To clarify from my perspective, I thought the game would be bad quite early on, but I wanted to be proven wrong. Every time they showed off something, I was hoping maybe it would show some improvements to the gameplay, level design or music, but no. There are still a few little bits and pieces of the full game that I'm sure I will enjoy to some extent when I actually play it, but overall, the game is bad to me. Once you're only a month or two away from release, and more footage is coming out that just looks bad, it's no longer a case of "I want to be proven wrong", because it's just too late.
TelekinesticMan I was hoping to be proven wrong in some areas too. But I wasn't, this game made no improvements at all. And for four years of development time... This turned out to be the most underwhelming and disappointing game from Sonic Team to me.
You have no idea how right you were and it’s FUCKING HILARIOUS
I had baaaad feelings about this game right from the start, but most people plugged their ears and didn't want to hear it. Pretty satisfying to have been proven right but I wish more people didn't blindly defend a piece of entertainment before it's even released.
@@telekinesticman Dude, I knew it was bad. I played it awhile ago when it was free on Ps4...and believe me I hated it all the way. Sonic would not shut the fuck up
@@telekinesticman Playing almost all the sonic games over the years, at least they were fun compared to forces....I FUCKING GRINDED SONIC AND THE SECRET RINGS and got every achivement and and that was more fun that that.
The official death of modern Sonic.
The custom character was like funny cringe at the same time lol
Im sad people think this game is good, its not, not at all.
Sonic Sez fuck off
*fucks off*
And mean fuck off
Michael Brown SHUT YOUR MAGGOT MOUTH. SONIC FORCES SUCKS ASS AND SO CAN YOU
Michael Brown Sonic Forces me to play a visual novel
I watched your stream and it was EXACTLY like how I was playing the game...I wanted it to end after stage 5
I think it's pretty decent. Satisfying gameplay, good presentation and I like the avatar stuff more than I thought I would. Plus on the Switch it's portable
My complaints are framerate (on Switch anyway) and the modern/avatar control feels muddy on 2.5D sections. Levels are a little too short too
I wish Eggman put him in jall 10 years or months
It really pissed me off when I was playing the game when I just kept going into booster pads and pop up springs, it's so annoying and isn't even necessary, it doesn't even make you go faster, only for classic sonic ones it dose and it should let you use your momentum and not have the game do it for you, even though there isn't momentum. The pop up springs piss me off because the game doesn't even let me jump onto a simple platform without a spring popping up to do it for me just so I don't have to press a to jump. I hate how the levels are just straight lines and I just really want an open world game like utopia. The game also keeps giving you boost capsules, for example in luminous forest you run into a countless amount of enemies. When you destroy an enemy you get boost. What's the point of giving me boost capsules when I have plenty of boost anyway? What's funny though is that I still had a lot of fun with the game. It just feels really automated most of the time.
Sonic team says:
Look why tf my game bad
At least this game is actually functional unlike some OTHER TWO games in the past. Yes, I'm looking at you Boom and 06.
It's worse than both lmao
wow these fans have on brain
@@karenharris6375 What??
@@jdudehl6079 I meant to say no brains
Both boom and 06 are functional *_unless you're digging for glitches_*
I enjoyed the video dude. As a heads up though for Nintendo games, since you're still small you wont have to worry about copyright claims from the AI as long as the games audio is muted. If you have your voice over taking up all of the attention then the bot wont catch the visuals for some reason. Mind you, the video can still get manually claimed, but again since you're still a small channel, they won't be looking for you really. Just speaking from experience.
Nah that doesn't do much for me. I still get auto-matched for any Nintendo footage or visuals all the time, unfortunately. Thanks for the tips, though!
When I played the game, I wondered how the custom character has the ability to run fast like sonic
Nice review, I’m really hoping sonic team sees feedback like this, so we can help get 3D sonic to its max potential.
i agree i don't like the game but also won't buy it with my own money either
no you're right. Sonic forces was a huge letdown. and I kind of regretted wasting my money on it
+Swag Taha Nah I'll keep it. The cool part is making your own avatar. But I'll think I'll sell The lost world and Sonic boom for those sucks.
I honestly feel like the only reason Forces was made was because Sonic Team wanted to reuse the Phantom Ruby for another game, so they just threw something together off the top of their heads.
I mean, to be fair, it doesn't seem very fun to give the villain an item that makes them nearly _omnipotent,_ and then only use it for one game...
I never really liked the boost games, although this is a worst case scenario for the formula. I thought Generations was heading in the right direction but this back-pedalled so much I’m willing to bunch this in with some of my least favourite games in the entire series
I feel people are really bashing the game and keep comparing it to much to Mario Odyssey. Like why?????? But at least you gave a fair opinion ;)
I know I haven't necessarily been comparing Forces and Odyssey, since they are very different, but more that they're both platformers that released at the same time, and one is a much better game than the other.
Yeah, kind of dumb of SEGA to release this game at a time when Mania, Odyssey, and other platformers are still fresh on most gamers' heads.
Do I have anything to say on this there’s a difference between forces and odyssey so Sonic forces should be belong in the trash
Well, I've heard the exact opposite from many other sources. I guess this is one of those split down the middle Sonic games.
I have a feeling this one will be very polarising, yes. But I think a majority of the fanbase, at least those in "higher power" in terms of publicity and social media presence, will hold a view similar to my own.
Yep. Why am I not surprised?
even tho i like the game i can still see the problems with it and agree with you :P
Thank you! That means a lot to me, because I try to structure my arguments and points quite fairly, although I do love to add a bit of sarcasm and snark for a little bit of "humour", if you can call it that. It's nice to see there are still those out there who can accept that not everyone needs to like or dislike the same things in the same way.
I feel like classic sonic will start messing up in his own games at some point because whitehead will not stay there forever
If they kick out Whitehead then they are truly stupid, because he is the heart and soul of that entire team. At the very least his engine is the core powerhouse of Mania, so removing him would just be so dumb from SEGA.
Sonic 06 is much better than Forces! But Forces is still better than Sonic Boom.
I’m stuck on flipping level 20
Super Mario oddysey is the only Mario game that passes in to my favorites. Cuz I'm not really a Mario fan
I like forces but i respect your opinion. It IS one button gameplay.
Julian Rodriguez THANKYOU. I SONIC FAN THAT ISNT BRAINDAMAGED
Yes
5:57 is honestly the only part that bothers me about the criticisms of Forces. I feel like it's not fair to constantly compare the game to what is basically a rom hack of an already perfected system, to the point that it offers very little new in terms of expanding on the Sonic series.
Comparing it to Generations is a more appropriate since it's basically Generations 2.0 with the inclusion of the avatar character. I've only played UnWii-shed and Colors, an while I liked the boost in the former and not the latter, I've heard many praise Generations for its improvements to the boost formula. So it baffles me that the took a step down and just made a boost game on auto pilot.
I actually think Unleashed is the best 3D Sonic game ever made, Generations would be like a second with Adventure 2 being third. I think Colours is good to, but the 2d level design in Colours is amazing.
I love a lot of aspects of Unleashed, mainly the aesthetics and tone of the story. It also has the best introductory cutscene of any Sonic game (although CD's is very close), but it would be even better without the Werehog stuff. In general it's the Werehog, medal system and overall padding that holds Unleashed back for being "great" in my eyes. Also the level design isn't quite Generations territory yet, since it was the first boost game. Still though, Unleashed has my favourite soundtrack of any Sonic game (just above Adventure 1 and Mania), and is still the best looking Sonic game ever made.
At this point it's just best to crack the game on PC, I do come back to forces a lot to fuck about and speed run on but it is a very mediocre game.
If they add Chao garden as DLC I'd buy this game. (sry for bat ingrich)
I feel like they only made straight lines for modern sonic to make it look cool
Style over substance, for sure. Even then, the "style" isn't particularly amazing in the first place.
I know my name might tear some of you away, but I agree with all of what you said , I like the game but these problems are so true. Awesome upload thank you much!
Sonicfan2005 Coolsonicguy STFU you don’t know shit you need to replay the game and come and tell me how you feel about it then, idiot I already hate you
It took a while, but the babies have started waking up from nap time.
Sonicgaming 1235 SAYS THE BABY WHO CANT HANDDLE OPINIONS. YOU CLEARLY SKIPPED SCHOOL THE DAY THEY TAUGHT BASIC COMMUNICAION SKILLS
why does sonic games feel the need to have a edgy story.
In this instance, I'd say they ran out of ideas and were desperately trying to pander to the younger portion of the fanbase who love the Adventure games and/or Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic 06.
As a long time Sonic fan, I do not say this lightly. Sonic Boom has passed as a better game than Sonic forces.
Zink that’s an exaggeration.
And yet, people actually defend this game💀
I don't think Mania is this OMG GOTY everyone are making it out to be for many reasons, starting with the fact that it has 8 old stages out 12 (and I don't care if they have new level design), and it frankly looks more like a glorified ROM hack, and I don't like Generations either (in fact, I hate Modern Seaside Hill so damn much. It's literally a Deathpit fest, and the way its alternate paths is designed is divided between "good" route or "pain in the ass that takes a shitload of time and gives you nothing" route, case in point, the turtle route).
But I agree on what you said on Forces. It fails as a Boost game, it fails at trying to bring back a serious tone to the series (Infinite is a total failure as a character), it fails at trying to be funny just like Colors and Lost World and Boom, the Avatar's Wispons are poorman versions of the other characters (Burst = Blaze, Cube Hammer = Amy, Drill = Knuckles, and so on), and yes, even the music is mediocre (minus Light Of Hope).
Mania is just so damn good, but I agree the old stages hold the game back a bit. Disagree on Seaside Hill though, I think it's pretty damn good. Yeah the bottomless pits are a bit annoying, but at least you can boost across them.
TelekinesticMan Ehhhh I dunno. It plays good, I guess, but that doesn't really cut it for me. But you'll never catch me playing that stage from Gens and saying I'm having fun. It's not just the deathpits, it's how barren and plain this game is when it goes 3D. There is no exploration in Generations. It's just straight lines or very barren empty fields of nothing. And the stages are way too short, not to mention the joke that is the ranking system. That said, I don't like Generations as a whole either.
Still agreed with the rest you said. Really, your What's next for 3D Sonic vid was really well done.
they don't know what we want this is because of the hardcore sonic fans
At least the soundtrack was pretty good
Don't start hating on me for liking it... And I respect your opinion.
Also I'm telling others to not hate on me
No the game does kinda suck so Yeager you got yourself a like
And Chris Chan was telling everyone not to buy Sonic Forces.
to me the game was good, "hears angry people claiming i'm wrong". Let me explain, Sonic Forces may not be the best modern sonic game but it's not that bad of a game because it has good music, it (sometimes) has good level design, it has some dang good voice acting that isn't as cheesy as the adventure series, and the concept was amazing for a dark modern sonic game.
but i do see your problems with the game that you mention
While i disagree with the level design and voice acting,i agree with the music and concept
Thank God someone can say they have a opinion without saying hater,I respect you now
The most 4/10 game that ever existed
does anyone remember sonic colors team and how GREAT they did,
SEGA HIRE THEM ALREADY MAN SONIC COLORS WAS SO AMAZING AND I PLAYED IT UGH GO BACK TO THAT PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In my opinion you need to play the game to it’s fullest in order to properly review it. But yea it kinda sucks but it kinda doesn’t. It’s okay but it could have been so much more.
I agree! This video isn't an in-depth review at all, hence why in the video I mentioned that I would need to play the full game in order to properly have an in-depth opinion of the entire game. In broad strokes, however, I think it is fair for me to call the game bad, or disappointing.
In my opinonI actually like sonic forces but I'm ok with you're opinion
YTM and Drawmation nice. I respect your opinion
im not one of those people who just say ur bad its just that the only thing i like about the game is its soundtrack HOLD CRAP that music is awesome!!!
I was wrong to be optimistic about this game sorry about what I said 4 months ago
Is it just me but Forces gets way too much hate than it deserves. I think Forces is an average Sonic game. One thing that annoys me is that people who like games like Colors, Generations are shitting on this game, especially those who like Colors.
Colors and Forces in terms of level design and control play very similarly and its a fact. Forces have better gameplay than Colors, as well as content, replayability, and story. Colors fans seriously have no right to shit on this game. Both games are riddled with 2D. Forces have much much better 2D sections than Colors. The 2D sections in Colors are so blocky, slow and linear. It looks like a generic platformer. Forces balance speed, more difficulty, and platforming into the 2D sections. Forces tried to do more 3D than Colors but they were very automated. Colors didn't really have 3D sections at all but they were just a bit better(because of the drift) but this doesn't mean Colors is better.
As for Generations. Generations is lackluster and shallow. The game is incredibly short. Yes the gameplay is better but Generations is lacking in overall package/content. The story is shit and the content is really fucking bad too. It's simply just a game that has okay gameplay with nothing else to look at. This is 2017!! Games have evolved. Having just gameplay won't cut it. Forces at least has more content, like the OC and the amount of shit you can unlock for it, as well a much better story.
Hell! They have the same fucking director as Colours. The hate from these fans just gotta stop!
I'm not a massive fan of Colours so that point doesn't really work against me, personally. Generations on the other hand I do really quite enjoy, but I will agree it can be rather shallow. However, Generations offers me the ability to explore and speedrun stages in fun, creative ways when utilising Sonic's skills in a 3D (or most of the time, 2D) environment. It's not perfect, but Forces is still a massive step backwards.
That''s true but even the peak game in the Post Colors era(Generations) is not even that good. Generations although has better gameplay is incredibly short with no content what so ever.
lennux ND1 still better then forces
How long did that take
Is Forces worse than 06 though?
To make a definite judgement like that, I would absolutely need to fully play Forces. I don't think the game is objectively worse than 06 though, not at the moment at least. The situation Forces was released in (after Generations) makes the low quality inexcusable, but the game itself is not quite Shadow/06/Boom bad, I would say. It's still bad, but maybe not THAT bad.
LikeABossDude I would like to play 06 again much more than Forces
Sonic mania is probably the best sonic game Sega had in a while and now they’re going back to trash
OH YEAH yeah
it was fun when i first played it then i kinda got bored i was really hype for this. game
That's because it does suck.
Do do do do dooooo stand the fuck still to hit the boss, you can break the script and it stilllll HAS NOT BEEN PATCHED H O W
I'm sorry but there is some serious bias here. I'm not a Sonic fan but I'm sure it doesn't deserve it.
I love Sonic. There are also a lot of bad games in the series, and even the games I love have holes in them worth mentioning and criticising.
Just subscribed, I had to review this game on my channel myself. I can't stand this game.
Someone is triggered lol!
Have you play sonic forces
yea, I completed it and reviewed it lol! Its on my channel.
Music at 5:58?
End of the Summer from Sonic Runners, composed by Tomoya Ohtani who also did the music for Unleashed (er, and Forces). One of my favourite tracks!
Thank you! Also, keep up the good work!
No problem! Thanks for the praise.
Sorry for the late reply.
Why i dont like it very much:
1: Classic sonic spindash is fucking very slow
2 metal sonic and infinite 3 is like the same boss
3 Where the fuck are the chaos emeralds? Isnt the game made to not let eggman get them
4 classic sonic is a big fucking bug its very slow badass acceleration
Thats just my opinion (i like the game but not very much
llisten answer me. generations is better because theres no orbot and cubot. and sonic forces sucks because of them
I assume you want my opinion because you said "answer me", and I guess I sort of agree? I don't think Orbot and Cubot determine the success of the entire game, since I do enjoy Colours, but overall I would probably prefer them to not be present. Maybe they would fit better with some reworking.
thanks... and i want those guys from aosth back!
Eh, I'm not personally a fan of Scratch and Grounder, and I don't think the games would be allowed to use those characters without an extreme amount of legal work. I think maybe Eggman would be more interesting to bounce off different types of villain side-characters. I personally enjoy his aggressive, condescending teamwork with Shadow and Rouge in Adventure 2. It feels like they all sort of hate each other a bit, but they also care just enough to keep working together. It's engaging!
but theyre funny iwas watching aosth and my favorite part was when in episode 3 those guys said cheese and the thing that made me laugh is theyre smile its so hilarious!! watch it.
Jennifer Vicentini shut up they are good characters you need to look at the game better than that and they are the best robots rggman has made
Yes you are correct it is not a very good game the story is boring the gameplay is just bad and the graphics suck and don’t even get me started on classic sonic
I played it completely, so allow me to review it for you. ITS SHIT.
Yeah I 100% disagreeing with you I think the game is really good to each there own I guess
God Blas this man
Sega is gonna keep stealing ya MONEY dumbass.
Thank you for showing an opinion without hater in it
Mr Penguin golly I was a grown ass man two years ago to lol 😂
Agreed 100%...
But I love it anyway.
In the defense of green Hill is that do you know that they live there... Wdf guys.
Um...no they don't. That's factually incorrect. If we're going into DEEP SONIC LORE MODE, Green Hill Zone is on South Island, and was just an area Sonic zoomed past in his first game. Much like how all of the zones in Sonic 2 are from West Side Island, and all of Sonic 3&K takes place on Angel Island, etc. etc. Sonic doesn't even "live" anywhere, he's basically a drifter. Now, characters like Tails and Amy are implied to "live" somewhere across the games, but not in Green Hill. It gets tricky since every game seems to contradict the last one, but at no point in the main series canon have they ever "lived" in Green Hill. This is part of the reason why people are so sick of it, myself included. It has no reason to come back all the time.
Righteous Red you know sonic a house right. Its probley tails house but sonic sleeps there so ye. Im talking about secret rings
@@telekinesticmanin Sonic Prime they do.
WHY IS THERE SO MANY FORCES HATERS GIVING THIS GAME A BAD NAME!?
There's a difference between disliking or even hating something, and being a "hater". I said in the video that calling someone a "hater" is a childish way to brush aside somebody else's entirely valid opinion.
Yeah we should stop doing that Sega has been doing it already
/ Smile \ Fuck. You.
Shadsy The Hedgehog no
Shadsy The Hedgehog looks like someone lost there pacifier
I like it because I can make my oc of myself as a wolf🐺
I thought the custom character was awesome
Every sonic game is bad only 06 is best
This game is retarted sometimes and on level 25 is stupid af and you can even slow down
My opinion I like it it's good the graphics are beautiful and the music is good
Xavier Martinez but the gameplay and story the most important things) are very bad imo
Xavier Martinez and you didnt say the classic sonic music is good.i know its your opinion but im just saying
Sonic forces is not a bad game i play sonic forces before on my ps4 and it if it was a bad game it will be sonic o6 2 but is not sonic o6 2 is sonic forces !!!! 😠😠😠😠 i like that game so much i can play it all day sonic forces it not a very bad game it like sonic mania i ilke sonic forces and sonic mania .
You know that Sonic 06 isn't the only bad game ever made, right? There are other bad games and there can and will be more bad games in the future. To me, Forces is a bad game. Just because it isn't 06 again doesn't mean it can't be bad, that's just poor logic.
Shamor oniel WHY DO YOU LIKE IT?
I have played forces and own and its not that bad
Luthfa Kashem its just boring
SONIC DOESNT SUCK
Sonic doesn't suck, but Forces kinda does. I hate it to break it to you this way, "SONIC IS THE BEST".
TelekinesticMan yep
SONIC IS THE BEST Do you even listen?
Akeem Taylor XD
it is not as bad as sonic 06 or sonic boom rise of lrics
Doesn't matter, it's still bad. Being a smaller piece of shit compared to a massive piece of shit doesn't mean you're still not a piece of shit.
yeah i was bummed my son wanted me play i downloaded super sonic dlc its okay and fans are doing better than sonic team
and i am getting my money back for. this game
You and your friend are all sonic haters
Look at the other content on this channel, use your brain a little, and try to honestly say that sentence again with full honesty.
Murphy Idowu your braindamaged
Akeem Taylor excuse me...
Murphy Idowu just because he hates the game doesnt mean he hates sonic
Akeem Taylor ohh I'm powerful sorry for him
I Like it cause the song!!!
the 6th worst game
OH MY GOSH HOW DARE YOU BE RUDE TO MY LITTLE BABY SONIC MMMMMMMM
also I’m 9
That was a uhhhhh
Mr Penguin fun fact, when I made this I was actually 13 and very stupid