There's been a disappointing amount of negative reaction to the very successful and significant Polaris Dawn EVA from uninformed sources. Thanks for countering this example with the truth, Laura.
I think the space community shot themselves in the foot with the pre-mission hype about EVA and Space walks. This wasn't much more than sticking your arm out the car window and waving your arm. Realistically the suit's mobility looks very good and nowhere as cumbersome as NASA's.
I'm not entirely surprised by negativity, because people tend to gravitate toward it. Immediately after recording this video, a neighbor was like, "Why does this EVA matter? Billionaires don't belong in space!" and I'm glad he was willing to listen.
@@lauraforczyk I don't buy into the billionaires in space story, it's got a political tint to it that forgets billionaires die just as fast as poor people. Isaacman has both the means and the desire to do this and standing in his shoes I'd do the same so long as it's not a Titan Submersible situation. I'm not negative about this, just that the hype was for more than what was delivered. We live in a world full of hype these days and SpaceX has been the exception when dealing with big picture projects. Starship's first integrated flight testwas amazing. Watching engines fail and yet it kept climbing was heart in mouth stuff but did the EVA have this emotional pull? Really, that could have been a cardboard cutout of Isaacman for the emotional connection most of us felt and the Zimmer Frame sums it up, can we call it a Geriatric EVA?
@@stevecam724 It achieved the results, the suit performed well as no one died, proved you could move your limbs, and held up for the desired time in open space. I am really impressed it went as planned, the next EVA suit should be much better, lighter with more mobility. It proved you don't need your own spacecraft to leave the spaceship.
A large part of me hopes that it was illegal because that would make the astronauts, who were in a space ship, the first ever space pirates! Love to have that on my résumé.
I’m tired of governing bodies just making up rules and regulations to restrict and control people who want to achieve something. They’ve reached the top and have become bored so they want to make other peoples lives mundane and miserable
I find it depressing that if some earthbound tragedy occurs, attention to it is short-lived. If one person were to lose their life in space, there would be an uproar that we wouldn't hear the end of.
In the worst case, is this a possible circumvention...? When the next private Crew Dragon mission reaches orbit, the crew temporarily declares independence from the US. Then, as a separate country that never signed the OST, they can do whatever they want until they return.
If they did that, they would be in rebellion against the United States, and subject to arrest and prosecution upon return to Earth. I suppose, in the worst case scenario, the US could take them out with an anti-satellite weapon.
The European Union has become an extremely autocratic. One would think that the experiences of Europe in the 1940’s would have been a warning against this, tragic that that it has not.
So good Laura.. as per your consistent standard. Thank you for covering this topic. The more normalization of commercial space and private space flight activities, the better. Regulated? Yes. Constrained, prohibited, and chilled? Absolutely not.
As far as I'm concerned space is like the open ocean on earth. Use UNCLOS as the template for "space laws". At least it would be a start. Great update Laura!
Laura, at about 06:58 in this video... *_"...and while I don't expect a non-space beat journalist to get everything correct..."_* Dear Lady, it is now the 2020s. I do not expect ANY JOURNALISTS to get ANYTHING CORRECT. I worked in Aircraft Maintenance for _several years,_ both in the military and later as a civilian contractor {on military aircraft & systems}. Journalists gets Aviation-related stuff wrong ALL THE TIME, and heavier-than-air flying machines have been around OVER a hundred years...🙄
Yes, it was legal. There is NO prohibition under Article VI of commercial activities in space - only a requirement that they be "supervised" and that responsibility lies with the nation involved.
A little off subject but it would be interesting to hear about regulations for protecting the near side of the moon from mining. What current law says, what realistically could be made law, and your thoughts on the subject. Thanks.
That is such an interesting area of debate! I love the idea of a lunar ground telescope on the far side. But no one can claim territory and tell everyone to keep out. It's a compromise.
Oh, and mining on any side, of course, is an interesting area of debate. Safety zones are not keep-out zones, but they certainly could be seen that way.
Great Video and Lets Hope that Congress supports companies like SpaceX and others can Innovate and push forward Science and Technology to the benefit of humanity. Polaris dawn shows Space is no longer out of bounds for Business. Can't wait for Lunar Beer Chilled in the Vacuum of space. 😁
Could you ask SpaceX if they're planning to use the EVA suit for the Moon or Mars, maybe their next version of the suit. Will they offer NASA the suit, since Collins Aerospace dropped out their EVA suit development.
EVA suits are different from Moon/Mars suits. They are lighter. They don’t have to deal with soil, which is sharp. It would cut through an EVA suit in seconds.
@@davidcolwell614 hence why I wrote maybe their next version of the suit. In an interview, Chris Hadfield said maybe it'll be the Mark 5 version of this EVA suit that will be used to walk on the Moon.
While I see no problems with this mission, I DO see problems with government missions in space, such as weaponizing space, and claiming space for a certain country. Suppose some country decides that the moon is theirs, and decides to defend it against any other country going there? Back in 1967, President Lyndon Johnson said " “No national sovereignty rules in outer space. Those who venture there go as envoys of the entire human race.” Sadly that appears to be changing, and for the worse. Humans seem to take war with them wherever they go.
Signatories of the Outer Space Treaty (all major space players) have agreed not to claim territory in space. No country has claimed territory in space at this time.
I think the second sentence of Article VI has to be read in the context of the first. Signatory governments are responsible for authorization and supervision to ensure non-state entities are complying with the OST. There is no international mechanism, for instance akin to ICAO, for such regulation. I think one could argue the Commercial Space Launch amendments that legalized space mining violates the OST.
You're right, a lot of people (mostly outside of the US) have argued that laws legalizing space mining violate the OST. Just goes to show how much interpretation goes into this.
No one had this question before today, so none existed. I think I am being a bit arrogant, however it's not like this hasn't been an upcoming event for several years.
I wonder how much a starship ride and a 4 day mission would cost if it was designed for 30 people. Elon said starships launches May end up costing $3-5 million dollars per launch. 🤔🤔
International law as a term is an intentional misnomer. Participation in them and continued adherence is entirely voluntary. One can quibble about the precise meaning of law, the idea that law is authoritative derives 100% from it being handed down by a legislative body which has coercive control over it's constituency.. International law, being based entirely on mentally respected agreements, lacks that key feature. Activist types and organisations love blurring this quite distinct concept to givea breach of those agreements, the same moral and legal opprobrium of a breach of a national law
There's been a disappointing amount of negative reaction to the very successful and significant Polaris Dawn EVA from uninformed sources. Thanks for countering this example with the truth, Laura.
I think the space community shot themselves in the foot with the pre-mission hype about EVA and Space walks. This wasn't much more than sticking your arm out the car window and waving your arm.
Realistically the suit's mobility looks very good and nowhere as cumbersome as NASA's.
I'm not entirely surprised by negativity, because people tend to gravitate toward it. Immediately after recording this video, a neighbor was like, "Why does this EVA matter? Billionaires don't belong in space!" and I'm glad he was willing to listen.
@@lauraforczyk I don't buy into the billionaires in space story, it's got a political tint to it that forgets billionaires die just as fast as poor people. Isaacman has both the means and the desire to do this and standing in his shoes I'd do the same so long as it's not a Titan Submersible situation.
I'm not negative about this, just that the hype was for more than what was delivered. We live in a world full of hype these days and SpaceX has been the exception when dealing with big picture projects. Starship's first integrated flight testwas amazing. Watching engines fail and yet it kept climbing was heart in mouth stuff but did the EVA have this emotional pull? Really, that could have been a cardboard cutout of Isaacman for the emotional connection most of us felt and the Zimmer Frame sums it up, can we call it a Geriatric EVA?
The two missions he has funded have raised more for charity than any of those people will ever make in their lives.
@@stevecam724 It achieved the results, the suit performed well as no one died, proved you could move your limbs, and held up for the desired time in open space. I am really impressed it went as planned, the next EVA suit should be much better, lighter with more mobility. It proved you don't need your own spacecraft to leave the spaceship.
Space is free for all. As long as you don’t threaten others
And it should remain that way
A large part of me hopes that it was illegal because that would make the astronauts, who were in a space ship, the first ever space pirates! Love to have that on my résumé.
I’m tired of governing bodies just making up rules and regulations to restrict and control people who want to achieve something. They’ve reached the top and have become bored so they want to make other peoples lives mundane and miserable
Omg. 😂 A "legacy space" lawyer works for who ? Private space commerce is crushing govts and legacy space contractors
I find it depressing that if some earthbound tragedy occurs, attention to it is short-lived. If one person were to lose their life in space, there would be an uproar that we wouldn't hear the end of.
Without pushing the limits, our future will not exist.
_Sometimes_ the _"International Community"_ needs a bit of an _attitude adjustment._ 🙄
Screw the lawyer.
I watched it live. I loved it & was honored.
In the worst case, is this a possible circumvention...? When the next private Crew Dragon mission reaches orbit, the crew temporarily declares independence from the US. Then, as a separate country that never signed the OST, they can do whatever they want until they return.
I think that has been discussed, but being that SpaceX is still a US company, I don't think it works like that.
Not only would SpaceX still be a US company, but the people on board- the US citizens- are still US nationals. - Dave Huntsman
If they did that, they would be in rebellion against the United States, and subject to arrest and prosecution upon return to Earth. I suppose, in the worst case scenario, the US could take them out with an anti-satellite weapon.
The European Union has become an extremely autocratic. One would think that the experiences of Europe in the 1940’s would have been a warning against this, tragic that that it has not.
Governments fear losing control
When the Netherlands develops their own commercial space industry, they are, of course, free to regulate it as they desire.
So good Laura.. as per your consistent standard.
Thank you for covering this topic.
The more normalization of commercial space and private space flight activities, the better.
Regulated?
Yes.
Constrained, prohibited, and chilled?
Absolutely not.
Thanks! And I agree.
Who cares about some Dutch beaurocrat lawye. Space x rules
As far as I'm concerned space is like the open ocean on earth. Use UNCLOS as the template for "space laws". At least it would be a start. Great update Laura!
Thanks!
How can it be illegal..NOBODY OWNS EARTH
Laura, at about 06:58 in this video...
*_"...and while I don't expect a non-space beat journalist to get everything correct..."_*
Dear Lady, it is now the 2020s. I do not expect ANY JOURNALISTS to get ANYTHING CORRECT.
I worked in Aircraft Maintenance for _several years,_ both in the military and later as a civilian contractor {on military aircraft & systems}. Journalists gets Aviation-related stuff wrong ALL THE TIME, and heavier-than-air flying machines have been around OVER a hundred years...🙄
Yes, it was legal.
There is NO prohibition under Article VI of commercial activities in space - only a requirement that they be "supervised" and that responsibility lies with the nation involved.
Love your top, I thought it was Christmas because it's so colourful, you look great in it 😆😆
Thanks! It's a cooler day but I'm hanging on to my summer wardrobe for as long as I can.
Space is free and no one owns it. This was a private company that sent this crew and capsule into space.
"The outer space treaty is not a law, it is more of a guideline..."
Space doesn't belong to anyone!... it's free to explore for the good of humanity!..
A little off subject but it would be interesting to hear about regulations for protecting the near side of the moon from mining. What current law says, what realistically could be made law, and your thoughts on the subject. Thanks.
That is such an interesting area of debate! I love the idea of a lunar ground telescope on the far side. But no one can claim territory and tell everyone to keep out. It's a compromise.
Oh, and mining on any side, of course, is an interesting area of debate. Safety zones are not keep-out zones, but they certainly could be seen that way.
Great Video and Lets Hope that Congress supports companies like SpaceX and others can Innovate and push forward Science and Technology to the benefit of humanity. Polaris dawn shows Space is no longer out of bounds for Business. Can't wait for Lunar Beer Chilled in the Vacuum of space. 😁
Great video as always! Do you have X? What is your handle there?
Look in the video description.
Thanks! @LauraForczyk - I spend way too much time there.
Yes, the 1966 OST is a little outdated, thanks Laura is doing a great job, you always have a different take on things than other channels.
Thanks! What's interesting to me is how much OST is still relevant despite the age.
Only applys to government like it or not
The next nonsense to keep space flight from growing... like starship also held back...very sad!!!
Space is the final frontier and its first come first serve!!
well this lawyers gonna be complaining a lot more in the coming years, that's for sure
The lawyer wants to make a killing and be set for life.
Could you ask SpaceX if they're planning to use the EVA suit for the Moon or Mars, maybe their next version of the suit.
Will they offer NASA the suit, since Collins Aerospace dropped out their EVA suit development.
EVA suits are different from Moon/Mars suits. They are lighter. They don’t have to deal with soil, which is sharp. It would cut through an EVA suit in seconds.
@@davidcolwell614 hence why I wrote maybe their next version of the suit. In an interview, Chris Hadfield said maybe it'll be the Mark 5 version of this EVA suit that will be used to walk on the Moon.
While I see no problems with this mission, I DO see problems with government missions in space, such as weaponizing space, and claiming space for a certain country. Suppose some country decides that the moon is theirs, and decides to defend it against any other country going there? Back in 1967, President Lyndon Johnson said " “No national sovereignty rules in outer space. Those who venture there go as envoys of the entire human race.” Sadly that appears to be changing, and for the worse. Humans seem to take war with them wherever they go.
Signatories of the Outer Space Treaty (all major space players) have agreed not to claim territory in space. No country has claimed territory in space at this time.
Howdy Ms Forczyk I'm an unrepentant technocrat but see great merit in your vid. THANKS!
So governments want to limit people leaving the planet and basically saying governments own space and everything in it.
I think the second sentence of Article VI has to be read in the context of the first. Signatory governments are responsible for authorization and supervision to ensure non-state entities are complying with the OST. There is no international mechanism, for instance akin to ICAO, for such regulation. I think one could argue the Commercial Space Launch amendments that legalized space mining violates the OST.
You're right, a lot of people (mostly outside of the US) have argued that laws legalizing space mining violate the OST. Just goes to show how much interpretation goes into this.
A dumb lawyer in the Netherlands said this. That lawyer has no idea what he is talking about.
Lol, they will to launch a cop into space to catch them in the act.
And Dragon will be the only option
Let the International Space Police go up and write them a ticket.
No one had this question before today, so none existed. I think I am being a bit arrogant, however it's not like this hasn't been an upcoming event for several years.
I wonder how much a starship ride and a 4 day mission would cost if it was designed for 30 people. Elon said starships launches May end up costing $3-5 million dollars per launch. 🤔🤔
Illegal- you got to be joking - this world is going NUTS
Connercial is the future. Cant keep depending on govt. For financial support.
If not, then space is way too much regulated. Same as most of the world.
👍
Lets fine them
If something were to go wrong over another country's territory, that country would have political opportunity to use against 🇺🇸
Countries' territories do not extend to space.
800 miles above ur country is not ur airspace corn pop
International law as a term is an intentional misnomer.
Participation in them and continued adherence is entirely voluntary. One can quibble about the precise meaning of law, the idea that law is authoritative derives 100% from it being handed down by a legislative body which has coercive control over it's constituency..
International law, being based entirely on mentally respected agreements, lacks that key feature.
Activist types and organisations love blurring this quite distinct concept to givea breach of those agreements, the same moral and legal opprobrium of a breach of a national law
Oh, ffs, what next? How about some freedom!
Good luck trying to regulate china and russia.
Ther are ALWAYS naysayers. Or someone wanting to sue someone to restrict inova5
Space Walk???? NOT.. testing of the equipment and space suits ONLY
No space walk. Just poking out head. Real space walks happened last on the space shuttle.
I'm pretty sure there have been a lot of long, intense spacewalks outside of ISS.
@@lauraforczyk I mean from spacecraft. I'm aware of the ISS ones.