The Subway Shuffle: Navigating the Transit Quirks of New York City | The New York Times
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- Commuters at the 34th Street subway platform try to guess which of two trains will leave first, darting across the platform with mixed results.
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The Subway Shuffle: Navigating the Transit Quirks of New York City
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If they run to the next train and miss it and they run back to their own train but miss it they would be so angry.
It looks to be a lottery at some extent))))
Or if they leave their belongings on the other train
lol
As a New Yorker, this almost happened to me lol.
Trains generally need at least 2-3 minutes between trains so that probably won't happen
Having been born and raised in The Bronx, the MTA has been that love/hate partner that I can never do without. Growing up along the Lexington Avenue #6 line, this article amuses me. Native New Yorkers over 30 will tell you the tricks of the trade. Like how each end of a subway station has a lightbulb with a blue cover to let train operators know they're about to approach or depart a station. Or how you always pick the subway car nearest to your staircase leading to a transfer point or station exit. Ride the system enough times, and navigating it becomes second nature. By the way, the 125th Street subway station on the 4/5/6 line has had this same wait/miss scenario for decades!🇵🇷🇺🇸🤣
I haven’t even lived here long and I picked it up real quick.
But the blue light signifies the location of a wayside emergency telephone. Not whether a train is entering or leaving a station.
This also happens at canal going downtown when the a and c are there at the same time. It's really funny watching people guess wrong and get mad.
Edwin Martinez-Vazquez same at Queens Plaza for the M and E train
Yeah when I first moved here, I tried to hard to figure it out and then I realized even the seasoned locals didn't which one to get on haha!
But canal street downtown platform is abandoned.you know you really have to learn about new York
if only they knew how to read the home signals at the front, train behind a red over red will be leaving second.
Edwin Martinez-Vazquez Luckily, This never happens on the IRT Manhattan Lines. It’s why they have high frequency. No merges needed.
“Check out this woman running at an impressive speed”
Woman: *Walking to the train*
The same shuffle happens every day at some tube stations in London like Aldgate, Tower Hill, and Edgware Road. Every second of the commute counts.
Seán Thomas Kane as a Londoner, I can relate.
As well as in Munich at Scheidplatz, Innsbrucker Ring, etc.
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Meanwhile at Earl's Court
This video is hilarious to me 😂😂😂
If you're by the front of the train, check the signals. When one of them turns green run for that train! If not, check the yellow holding lights above the train. If they turn off, the train is leaving! Run for that train! (At terminal stations they will be off, and they turn on when the train is about to leave. But those stations usually have signs telling you which train is leaving first.) At any station, if you're at the middle of the train and it's about to leave, run for the front half, because the back half closes first!
These are great tips! Thank you!
Edwin Martinez-Vazquez actually the front half usually closes first because the conductor is usually already looking that direction for signals.
Boston is super easy I love Boston
Yeah
Same here in Seattlr
If only they had trains that ran to the exact second like Tokyo lol
@Kilo Byte The MTA should save money and expedite repairs by not running 24/7. run frequent subway replacement bus at late nights.
@Kilo Byte I don't commute to the city... Yet. But I have used the subway. I live by Sandy Hook in NJ near the NJ Coast Line and Ferries. Is traffic that bad at night that they couldn't run extra buses during FastForward™ ?
Kilo Byte That’s true, until you realise why some nyc subway stations are still under construction. Simply put, it makes it hard for construction workers to do their necessary jobs. Countries like Singapore, Tokyo, Seoul & Hong Kong ensure that construction works have time to do construction. That is why 24/7 is not really the best thing for NYC right now. Look at Chambers Street.
@@shadowmamba95 except that the roads don't always follow the Subway lines and trying to follow with a bus adds time to the commute. Not to mention, a single 40' bus will never be able to replace a 60-75' subway car, especially when each train is 10 cars long.
Supreme brick ☠️ that would never happen because you would need double the amount of cars or more to make trains go 1 min intervals and better versions of cbtc and repair the entire system plus remake the entire signal system so the trains can be closer together.
They're not trying to guess which leave first. They're trying to get on the express train if it pulls up. Otherwise they'll just take the local in the meantime since waiting would take longer.
Just north of 34th Street Herald Square, there are switches to allow trains to cross between the local and express tracks. When this was taken, the Q went to Astoria on weekdays, and it would switch from the express to the local track north there, stop at 49th Street and 57th Street 7th, before turning under 59th Street. N and R trains were local and would come in and leave on the local track. Due to the way the scheduling worked, trains wouldn't always depart in the same order that they arrived, so people going to stations where it didn't matter which train to take would try to get on the first one to depart.
Since the Q goes to Second Avenue, the N is now express and the W is back. The R and W are always on the local track, the N switches to the local track after 34th Street, while the Q stays on the express track to 57th Street and then goes under 63rd Street and up Second Ave. Until they get rid of this merge, this problem will still exist.
Something similar probably also happens at Canal Street going southbound on the A/C. The C switches onto the same track as the A in that location to make the crossing into Brooklyn. If going to any stop between Chambers Street and Hoyt Schermerhorn Street, local or express doesn't matter, since both trains make the same stops, so you'd just take the first one that comes.
So relatable!! I live in NYC and I have this problem every single day!!
The W train should kinda solve this problem when it goes back into service. 34th Street has that wait because the Q train merges to the local track when it goes to Astoria. Since its being rerouted to the Second Ave Subway, the W train is coming back to replace it and it will run on the local tracks while the Q stays on the express tracks and end their runs at 57th St until December then 96th Street after.
Nicholette Casey, it'll be returning November 7th going NB from Whitehall Street to 96th & then back SB from 96th to Whitehall. They'll most likely being using 160's on that line.
Nicholette Casey
NYG1991 it's here already????
but the n will now do it. Why???????
Nothing changed instead of the Q waiting for an N its now an N waiting for a W
Why is the train stopping? JUST GO, YOU'RE HOLDING UP THEIR COMMUTES!!!
maybe because of trains up ahead
fixed block signalling
This always happens at that exact station and not just in the mornings. It might also happen elsewhere in the system but never noticed myself. I see comments about leaving early from home or taking the express. It has nothing to do with that. This waiting always happens at 34 street on either the local or express. There might be reasons unknown to me but I think it has to do with the fact that during specific times (if not, most of the time) throughout a day, the Q trains have to switch to the local track to serve the 49 Street stop which causes the wait.
LOVE NYC.
Alexis M why? It's garbage
@@MK-ex4pb Your garbage
The narration style reminds me of one of those shorts from the '40s.
At least we have them here. Where i lived in pa (Allentown Bethlehem Easton areas) we didn’t even have subways. Buses come once an hour if u r lucky. Annoying as they May b when u cant afford or driving isn’t healthy for u, they’re a life saver. They have helped preserve my independence.
One time when I was visiting NYC, my family and I were playing this guessing game, but we didn’t realize the other train was going the other direction, and we tried to run to a R160 that was about to leave, but we missed it, ran back to the other train and BING-BONG. The train left. We were really upset lol.
lmaoooo i find it so funny you used bing bong bc one year later that's become a really big new york meme
It's just bad luck, don't stress it.
@@jaydenh922 ye ik
i was cringe when I commented that
The PATH as well sometimes is the same at Journal Square for Manhattan trains. The 33-JSQ has to wait for the WTC-NWK train to clear the signal with the 33rd Street train is ready to go.
You should also go to 34th and 8th Ave... where the local and express trains are on platforms that are connected only by staircases. I spend many years trying to guess if the local would arrive first or the express. And if I guessed wrong, I would make a mad dash down the flight of stairs and then back up the flight to the other platform. All this because - especially late at night - missing the uptown train on the "other side" could mean a long wait for one to arrive on "my side".
Steven Brant On late nights, the A and E make all stops, with the Island platforms serving express trains closed.
I know it's 4 years late, but with the Q now running to 2nd Ave/96th St, we should really consider switching the destinations of the N and R trains north of 57th St. How would this work? First, grade-separate the junctions at 57th St/7th Ave and Canal St, allowing the N/Q to be operationally independent from the R/W, as soon as the N is rerouted to run alongside the Q and F trains. This will mean that the N train will run on the local tracks of the QBL to Forest Hills/71st Ave. However, in order for the R train to be able to run to Astoria-Ditmars, there must be a railyard constructed. The best place for one is north of Ditmars Blvd station. This might require the extension of the tail tracks at Ditmars, so in planning such a project, provisions must be made to allow the R/W to be extended to LaGuardia Airport (we never know if the NIMBY opposition there will dry up, until it does so).
Doing all of this will make the Broadway line far more efficient than it is now. Considering the increasing number of riders on the Second Avenue Subway, we owe it to ourselves to make the Q and the other Broadway services as efficient as possible.
Do you understand New York City? I apologize if you live in NYC, but this is solving a problem by creating a problem. Yes, I will admit, it will shrink delays on the BMT Broadway Line, but you create 3 problems. First off, delays at Lexington Avenue - 63rd Street due to the (N) switching between the (Q) and (F) tracks just west of the station. Second, delays at Jackson Heights - Roosevelt Avenue for the (F) and 36th Street - Northern Boulevard for the (N) because the (N) switches between the (F) and the (M) (R) tracks just west of the 36th Street station. Finally, there will be no weekend connection between Queens Plaza and the rest of the IND Queens Boulevard Local Line, the biggest concern of them all.
Robert Gordon Better yet, he should run for Governor.
HostilePancakes, the One and Only In the time my last comment here was posted, there could be a supplement plan to the R reroute to Astoria.
Under this new plan, a tunnel linking the Broadway Line and the Fulton Line would be built. From here, the R would be rerouted from 4th Avenue to the Fulton Street Local tracks to replace C service, allowing for increased capacity and better access. The C would be express to Lefferts Blvd, replacing A service. R service will now be based out of the existing Pitkin Yard. To replace R service on Queens Blvd will require changes to the lines services. Here, a new K train overlay of the E would be implemented, via Queens Blvd Local. M service will be rerouted via 63rd Street. This would improve service.
British Enough Actually, the most ideal solution is to remove Broadway Line service from Queens Blvd entirely. IND Service would be restructured to replace R service.
Reminds me of check out lines in the store XD
Pygmy Puff Agreed.
it is Flight of the Bumblebee
These days the same thing happens. It helps to know that the n has to cross over to the local track so the local most of the time goes first. The Q just stays the same but with the N on one side and a R or W on the other, it is a challenge.
Once I was at 57st 7av on a rerouted (W) train and there was an (N) train across the platform so my group ran to it and guessed right.
34st Herald square has probably the hottest subway station in the city. But on the bright side its pretty nice during winter.
They are called Holding lights, and they are usually neer the conductor's Position. And you can pop your head out the door, and if you see 3 yellow bulbs lit, then the train is being HELD FOR TIME. Because believe it or not, the subway runs ON A SCHEDULE.
lol I would guess that 99.9% of those people waste at least 1 minute and 36 seconds everyday doing something else. its not that big of a deal
You have no clue.
You can always tell the people that have never lived in nyc.
Yup haha. Love it when the tourists come here and think we're just movie props. Nope, we have lives too. We're trying to get to work, this isn't a hollywood film.
You've spent more than 96 seconds watching the video and making two comments.
Obviously you've never been on a NYC subway. LOL
Best postcard yet from great uncle traveling Mack
Legends has it, to this day ppl would still be telling their boss “Sorry! My train was late”
I never rode a subway in my life. Just watching this makes me nervous and stressed. I’d be a mess and so lost. Still want to visit nyc one day though👌
Did you ever visit?
I don't know if they do this for other lines but most of the time on the brighton line they wait in the station a little longer if an express train is coming and announce it so people can switch
that's me some times haha
Thanks for upload 🇺🇸❤️❤️
What most people don't know is that express moves slower than local. You can see for yourself. Ride a local next to express and you bypass it extremely quick. Near Elmhurst the R is significantly faster than the e, and express gets delays more often from the malfunctions of constant travel over long distances. The stops the express makes knows that people could wait since express trains stack like in Roosevelt avenue the e and f stop there on express so the trains could be belt up as for local there is less since they move faster with constant stops so less is needed and it gives the trains in front time to move. I would recommend testing it first yourself or looking to check for express delays. Nyc subway now makes it hard for me to get to school with constant express and local delays, so I had countless latenesses. I would just take a taxi if there were a student card for that too
sean li Some of the issues stem from service patterns. Deinterline and capacity increases.
Look for the holding lights!
This particular quirk can be remedied, but it will require construction of a new yard to the north of Astoria-Ditmars Blvd station.
Now that the Q goes to Second/96th, there is the capacity to completely separate the Broadway expresses and locals within Manhattan and Queens. To do so, the N and R need to be switched north of Seventh/57th. Again, this will require the construction of a new rail yard for the R train north of Astoria-Ditmars. If the new portion of the viaduct is built to allow a future extension to LaGuardia Airport, that will save money in the long run. There is some underutilized industrial land on the bank of the Inner Long Island Sound that could house a railyard. Once that is completed, only signage changes would be required to seamlessly transition to running Forest Hills N trains and Astoria-Ditmars R trains -- there's a connection between the F tracks and the Q tracks east of Lexington/63rd that could carry N trains to the Queens Blvd Line.
I responded to your older duplicate of this comment. I apologize for any rudeness. Just please, hear me out.
"Do you understand New York City? I apologize if you live in NYC, but this is solving a problem by creating a problem. Yes, I will admit, it will shrink delays on the BMT Broadway Line, but you create 3 problems. First off, delays at Lexington Avenue - 63rd Street due to the (N) switching between the (Q) and (F) tracks just west of the station. Second, delays at Jackson Heights - Roosevelt Avenue for the (F) and 36th Street - Northern Boulevard for the (N) because the (N) switches between the (F) and the (M) (R) tracks just west of the 36th Street station. Finally, there will be no weekend connection between Queens Plaza and the rest of the IND Queens Boulevard Local Line, the biggest concern of them all."
HostilePancakes, The One and Only Were you aware of the con Ed power plan explosion in Astoria? That is a reason why we are not building a yard on Con-Ed property.
British Enough The most ideal solution is to remove Broadway trains from Queens Blvd entirely. IND service would be restructured to replace the R.
I deal with this exact dilemma at this exact station every weekday. Its such a small thing but it kills me inside a tiny bit every time haha
Jacob Mienser Exactly. A better solution is to deinterline the Broadway Line, with all Express trains to the Second Avenue Subway and all local trains to the 60th Street Tunnel. Using the existing track infrastructure in Queens, half of the trains would travel to Astoria and half of the trains to the Queens Blvd Line to Forest Hills. This eliminates the merge at 34th Street.
Before the Second Ave Subway and the return of the W, this issue only happened with uptown Q and N/R since the Q sometimes goes local to Astoria.
Now, its happening between the N and the R/W as the N has to go on local tracks.
this is so true.
I work on the subway. I work afternoons. It can be different each day. Most days, the N I am riding on gets in first followed by the Q across the platform. Most days, my N leaves first. One day last week, the Q left first. I wasn't late. People would have time for coffee and not be late if they left early and anticipated delays. I am always at work 30-45 mins early!
Jim D This is a service pattern and operations issue. If the subway were to be DEINTERLINED, then this merge will go away.
Same problem on the tube but the Victoria Line is good at its job, to the point where it's too good. Other interchanges in the south and north are struggling to cope with a train every 100 seconds.
Well the same goes for downtown platforms at TSQ for the NQR and W now. The N R and W Trains cause it for themselves.
R160B W Train_RBLX This is what happens when you have that merge.
We don't guess, we KNOW !!!
I am disabled and I live my life in the slow lane.
As a Transit Enthusiast I knew all of this
I'm new to New York City, I immigrated to America just a few months ago, and I felt that conundrum which train leaves first constantly waiting near the doors or in the middle of the platform listening for clues. I would anticipate riding on either M or R trains when I arrive in Roosevelt-Av Jackson Heights, because all express trains stop there, and I would run out of M or R see if the other train across the platform is an E or F, when I figure it's the right train, I rush to the other side of the platform and board. Sometimes I need the F train but it's delayed and only E's are coming, so I'm a bit worried that it might take me longer just to wait for an express; I don't want to be left behind by the M or R trains that I just boarded.
ruzzell907 Just stay on the M and R train all the way to Queens Plaza and you will get there quicker than the E express. Those express trains suffer from crowding that makes the local be fast.
This video nailed it perfectly; the NYC mindset. 36 years of it, Sometimes I almost miss it. Almost.
I've watched this video every year and I still don't know what this video is talking about
Maybe this is why my city has no subway. 💀
This actually real New York in it nature because I’m a New Yorker. Also guys this an issue but most of us got normal that train is not moving or it’s delayed etc. And how much non New Yorkers always get mad is because they are not use to it
Love NYC, since I was child!
1:36 seconds for another train! No way when I get on the train and I miss it it takes like 10 minutes to depart
Challenger Boy They have to maintain space between the trains.
In addition, it’s 10 minutes due to the needless interlining of the system. Let’s assume that the existing signal system tops off train capacity at 24 trains per hour. If the Broadway were deinterlined, with all 24 trains to the Second Avenue Subway, and all 24 trains to the 60th Street Tunnel, with (using the existing track infrastructure in Queens), 12 trains to Astoria and 12 trains to Forest Hills, then service would come every 2.5-5 minutes, depending on where you are.
So true!
That's crazy I've taken the Mta subway all my life and never had to with this lol!
TheHolyFlipster You’ve never clearly taken the N, Q, R, and W lines enough.
This is where Hong Kong's MTR shines
That’s why you give your self more time to get to the train just in case of delays. Stay Safe 👮🏻♂️🚔🚨
Captain Hernandez Actually, a better solution for this is to deinterline 34th Street. N service would be rerouted via express to 96th Street and W service would be added.
Those trains are being governed by City Hall tower.You gotta stand by the train on 4 tk. and check to see if it has the line - up to go first and be ready to make a mad dash for the train on 2 tk. if it doesn't.
Very nice look at one aspect of life in NYC that non-New Yorkers wdn't ever guess! Well done.
That's why I drink beer on the train sometimes.
That was how I shuffled my train cars in DC too.
Ahh, the New York Times. From publishing the Pentagon Papers to this. That should tell you all you need to know, doesn't it?
The only thing I don't like are the old cars with no station display and automatic announcements.
LOL. Just the thing you need after a rough day at office.
Lol this is just like the CTA in Chicago
See this on suburban main line trains every weekday at London Waterloo platforms 1-5
Stuart Also at Franklin on the 2 and 5, and I see this PERSONALLY.
This happens at 34th st because the N switches to the local track to access 49th st and The Astoria line. Usually the train on the local track leaves first. it's a big bottleneck.
Michael Scott I know I'm late but at least it doesn't happen anymore
@@TheElectricGhost It still happens. This is the 2nd Avenue Line Expansion arrangement.
What‘s up with two trains going into the same direction. In almost all subway systems in Europe there is only one train going in one direction, no express trains what so ever. Can someone explain to me why that is necessary?
SineEros The express is meant to speed service through and area.
the W Train should be Brighton Express and Brighton Local.
NQRW BDFM 34 St- Herald Square
The IND Sixth Avenue Line does not suffer this problem.
Or catching a Queens bound 7 train; they sit at 42nd so long that it might almost be faster to take the local as long as it is leaving first.
The 7 express is really just for crowd control, it isn't really about cutting time. Sure, you might make it to Flushing 3-4 minutes earlier on an express, but it only feels longer on a local because of all the stops it has to make. All the people who live along the local stops combined will usually be equal to the number of people who get off at express stops, rather than having every train that passes by at 42st get filled to the brim.
If you're in a hurry, you will probably get to your destination later by waiting for a 7 express. Just take whatever comes first.
As a tourist in NY I've had plenty of time, so no need to hurry for me. Once I actually waited at the platform for about 3 trains to pass until a newer one arrived - the fare is the same so why not. Hahaha I think I would never ever board one of the R32s, their smell is not very inviting for me.
I can tell you that many of us natives will gladly shell out 3-4 minutes in hopes of getting a newer train. Yes, those R32s are among one of the most uncomfortable/smelly rides you'll ever come to experience. Of course if you're in a rush you don't care, but if I have an extra 10 minutes I'd gladly wait a little bit for an R160.
and the 123 at 96 st too, and the ace at Washington square
ca ss There is no track switching at 96th Street on the 1, 2, and 3 lines. All express trains travel from the Lenox Line to Brooklyn and all local trains stay on the entire Broadway-7th Avenue line to South Ferry.
I have the sneaky suspicion this was made by @caseyneistat - I might be wrong.
OMG So True!
True
It's like a Harold Llyod movie.
Poor New Yorkers.. Try waiting a hour for a missed bus.
Hahaha they called it a quirk tryin to make it all cute 😒
This back and forth makes the trains run late. If both trains share tracks, why cannot one always has priority? Anyway, I'm lucky that in Berlin every subway line has it's own track (except on one station, but there the trains don't arrive the same time)
Simon Kraemer A better solution is DEINTERLINING.
Never understand why people don't get up early.
flight of the bumblebee
0:34 "Uptown 34th St station"
NYT considers 34th St UPTOWN?!
Alesandro Ortiz no , the direction of the trains is “uptown”
The MTA only has two directions of travel per line.
Lines toward the Bronx are uptown
Lines toward Brooklyn are downtown.
In the outer boroughs:
Lines toward Manhattan are downtown
Lines away from Manhattan are uptown.
Also @ 0:39 You Forgot (W).
Subway Fan 3600 this was filmed before W trains went back into service.
Subway Fan 3600 ok
The should come to Atlanta and have to wait 5 to 10 minutes. Do that for a week and that time of 1.36 will not matter.
Philip Samuels 5 to 10 minutes is still a decent waiting time.
Why not just take the Q? It runs express.
+KittyCat61500 Except it actually switches to the local track before 42nd Street so that it can go to the Astoria Line.
@@Mario_in_Standard With the Q going to 96th Street - 2nd Avenue, N trains are making the same exact stops that the former Q train would make between Canal Street and Astoria - Ditmars Boulevard at all times except late nights, when it makes the former N train stops between Astoria - Ditmars Boulevard and Canal Street, then makes the former Q train stops between Canal Street and Atlantic Avenue - Barclays Center / Pacific Street, and weekends, when it makes all former N train stops between Astoria - Ditmars Boulevard and Lexington Avenue - 59th Street and then makes all R train stops between Lexington Avenue - 59th Street and 36th Street - 4th Avenue.
So yeah, now the problem is with the (N) train. It didn't go away.
The MTA is such a disgrace.
Vincent Irkalla This is a service pattern issue. The solution is:
N Q vía SAS
R W vía Astoria
1:33 let's watch the woman run in slow motion - haha - classy
Waiting is fun.. LOL
God what a way to live
For this newyorker im just glad they didn't shut down the L train
People need to chill a little.
😰🚇"NYC THE CAPITAL OF THE WORLD"🗽🇺🇸
Well, good luck with your next head on collision with opposing traffic.
I haven't lived in NYC for almost 20 years now, but I remember those days well. Glad I live on the west coast...
yet another reason of MTA needing to seriously do some maintenance on the subway
This is just an exception where a train has to merge onto the track of another train just outside of a station, causing the wait.
The (Q) switches onto the local track to serve 49th Street and the BMT Astoria Line. However, (N) and (R) trains are using the same track between 57th Street and Canal Street. This causes the wait at 34th Street - Herald Square because the switch between the 2 tracks just so happens to be 1 block north of the station in the dark tunnels.
Jacob Wilson This is a service pattern issue. Better to have the N and Q via the Second Avenue Line and the R and W to an extended Astoria Line. In other words, deinterline, deinterline, DEINTERLINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There should be a similar video on 7 local vs 7 Express
Niall McMahon At what stop on the 7 line does this situation happen at? And do NOT say 33rd Street, since that station serves only local trains.
JeremiahC99 61st and Junction Blvd. I was thinking perhaps there can be a video on whether one should wait for an express at rush hr.
@@TheNiallmac12 True as well. However, I was thinking of situations where the switch that makes the express merges with the locals is immediately in front of the station, such as what is seen in the video.
JeremiahC99 yea, but it’s the same concept of trying to guess correctly. Like guessing which train will leave first, you can guess if a 7 local will make it to a stop like 61st before the express that is behind it, or if you should wait for that express.
I think that would make an intriguing article/video.
"Happens again and again"
why stopping though??
"Flight of the bumble bee"