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"Pistols put holes in people, rifles put holes through people, shotguns...at the right range with the right ammo physically remove a chunk of shit from a human body and redistribute said shit to the other side of the room" -Clint smith.
Fun video! The interviews at the end were interesting. I think all of those people could get a huge bang for their buck out of competitive shooting sports. They pretty much all described practical shooting sports when describing what they liked about this class.
I have a notebook from 2005 that I used in Iraq which I stumbled upon a few days ago. In it, I wrote down goals to complete to further my career. One goal was to go take a Thunder Ranch course. I've yet to achieve said goal.
@@Johnny_Cash_Flow oh the guy I was defending for not making it to TR in 20 year's.. apparently you can't decipher that, ya it was short & choppy, but clear if you weren't defensive or butt hurt, I was defending the fact that many of us haven't covered the globe & made it to all our desired points, or even just training courses...if you have your not a professional student.. which we all should be
@@Frank-uw5xq LOL What backwoods language do you speak? Saying things like "[I'm] butt hurt" doesn't make it so; it demonstrates your inability to actually type out a single grammatical sentence that anyone with an IQ higher than room temperature can understand. I see you use the word "student" in your incoherent rambling - have you considered actually being a student and learning English?
Been a follower of this channel since I first started getting into guns. Worked in the gun industry and competed for years, here’s my two cents: Take a Ben Stoeger class or any class by a reputable world class competition shooter, you’d get infinitely more out of it in terms of actual pistol shooting performance. Half of what you just showed here could have been done in dry fire or in your own time at the range. I do not see the value of paying their absurd prices for classes on top of flying out all the way to see them. You’re paying over $1200 for 3 days worth of scenario based LARPING and very little actual ways to measure performance and progress. You would have gotten a shit ton more out of your time and money by simply shooting local USPSA matches every month to actually diagnose and observe what high level pistol shooting is. Instead you’re doing the same old outdated concepts that haven’t changed since 2010, shooting slow and not actually progressing. I’ve taken classes exactly like this when I first started out, thinking I absolutely HAD to learn the latest “tacticool” trends. Malfunction drilling, urban prone shooting, be “situational aware”, cover based shooting, etc etc. all of that is fine. But again it’s literally nothing you could not have done on your own from watching videos. The most essential part of any kind of shooting is having your fundamentals at a high level where you don’t even think about it. If you’re able to burn down targets at speed and with accuracy, all the other extra “modifiers” don’t matter nearly as much. You can carry that competency over. I gained more actual measurable results shooting matches and being highly selective in what classes I take than the four “tactical shooting” classes I took combined. All of which share nearly the identical background of the likes of Clint and his staff (marines, SWAT officers, CIA contractors). This entire idea of training only with “combat veterans” is completely overrated and it’s abundantly clear it’s more of a marketing ploy than something that helps people get better. If you’re a novice shooter then you might get something out of this class. But you’re not. You could and should demand more out of your instructors. Not trying to be a dick, just calling it how I see it
Hear, hear! I saw recently some of those "veterans" starting to copy Ben Stoeger regarding trigger control. The problem is that what Ben teaches works very well for him because he has outstanding natural ability. But for an average Joe shooter, it just devolves into trigger slapping. All those "veterans" wouldn't understand this even if you wrote it in crayon for them.
@@nyrangeguy3194 the problem is that when Ben Stoeger does it, he is still accurate. When regular Joe shooter does it, it all turns into spray&pray. You would get a better score by riding the reset as fast as you can instead of trying to go faster than you're able to be and turn everything into a trigger slapping festival.
@@nyrangeguy3194 the vast majority of people could train their whole lives and never get to Ben Stoeger level. Thinking otherwise is simply foolish because it means you're not setting realistic goals and you're aiming for something that is completely outside your reach. Better work on the best you can be than trying to match someone you will never be able to match no matter what you try.
If I’m hearing correctly; you went all the way to Idaho to Clint’s Pistol 2 class, you took a firearm that was not properly dialed in/Optic vetted? With respect; I’d have brought an identical back up, both pistols verified for Zero and function prior to leaving.
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I can listen to Clint all day long going on about fighting.
Solid video and a class I hope to take one day. Thanks for sharing the details.
"Pistols put holes in people, rifles put holes through people, shotguns...at the right range with the right ammo physically remove a chunk of shit from a human body and redistribute said shit to the other side of the room" -Clint smith.
Very cool. Some interesting exercises there I haven’t seen before.
Have been to TR many times. Cowboy Dinner Tree never made it onto my itinerary. Now I have a reason to go back!
So sick what a awesome class in such a great place .
The food at Cowboy Dinner Tree looked really good!
Awesome
Fun video! The interviews at the end were interesting. I think all of those people could get a huge bang for their buck out of competitive shooting sports. They pretty much all described practical shooting sports when describing what they liked about this class.
I have a notebook from 2005 that I used in Iraq which I stumbled upon a few days ago.
In it, I wrote down goals to complete to further my career.
One goal was to go take a Thunder Ranch course.
I've yet to achieve said goal.
20 years ago? Shit or get off the pot. 😂
@@Frank-uw5xq English. Do you speak it?
@@Johnny_Cash_Flow oh the guy I was defending for not making it to TR in 20 year's.. apparently you can't decipher that, ya it was short & choppy, but clear if you weren't defensive or butt hurt, I was defending the fact that many of us haven't covered the globe & made it to all our desired points, or even just training courses...if you have your not a professional student.. which we all should be
@@Frank-uw5xq LOL What backwoods language do you speak? Saying things like "[I'm] butt hurt" doesn't make it so; it demonstrates your inability to actually type out a single grammatical sentence that anyone with an IQ higher than room temperature can understand. I see you use the word "student" in your incoherent rambling - have you considered actually being a student and learning English?
You rock, ATF sucks
I want to take my 329pd
Been a follower of this channel since I first started getting into guns. Worked in the gun industry and competed for years, here’s my two cents:
Take a Ben Stoeger class or any class by a reputable world class competition shooter, you’d get infinitely more out of it in terms of actual pistol shooting performance. Half of what you just showed here could have been done in dry fire or in your own time at the range. I do not see the value of paying their absurd prices for classes on top of flying out all the way to see them.
You’re paying over $1200 for 3 days worth of scenario based LARPING and very little actual ways to measure performance and progress. You would have gotten a shit ton more out of your time and money by simply shooting local USPSA matches every month to actually diagnose and observe what high level pistol shooting is. Instead you’re doing the same old outdated concepts that haven’t changed since 2010, shooting slow and not actually progressing.
I’ve taken classes exactly like this when I first started out, thinking I absolutely HAD to learn the latest “tacticool” trends. Malfunction drilling, urban prone shooting, be “situational aware”, cover based shooting, etc etc. all of that is fine. But again it’s literally nothing you could not have done on your own from watching videos. The most essential part of any kind of shooting is having your fundamentals at a high level where you don’t even think about it. If you’re able to burn down targets at speed and with accuracy, all the other extra “modifiers” don’t matter nearly as much. You can carry that competency over.
I gained more actual measurable results shooting matches and being highly selective in what classes I take than the four “tactical shooting” classes I took combined. All of which share nearly the identical background of the likes of Clint and his staff (marines, SWAT officers, CIA contractors).
This entire idea of training only with “combat veterans” is completely overrated and it’s abundantly clear it’s more of a marketing ploy than something that helps people get better.
If you’re a novice shooter then you might get something out of this class. But you’re not. You could and should demand more out of your instructors.
Not trying to be a dick, just calling it how I see it
Hear, hear! I saw recently some of those "veterans" starting to copy Ben Stoeger regarding trigger control. The problem is that what Ben teaches works very well for him because he has outstanding natural ability. But for an average Joe shooter, it just devolves into trigger slapping. All those "veterans" wouldn't understand this even if you wrote it in crayon for them.
@@jeffersondaviszombie2734you slap the trigger when you shooter fast. You have to learn how to do it.
@@nyrangeguy3194 the problem is that when Ben Stoeger does it, he is still accurate. When regular Joe shooter does it, it all turns into spray&pray. You would get a better score by riding the reset as fast as you can instead of trying to go faster than you're able to be and turn everything into a trigger slapping festival.
@@jeffersondaviszombie2734 it’s called practice. He wasn’t good at it either on his first day.
@@nyrangeguy3194 the vast majority of people could train their whole lives and never get to Ben Stoeger level. Thinking otherwise is simply foolish because it means you're not setting realistic goals and you're aiming for something that is completely outside your reach. Better work on the best you can be than trying to match someone you will never be able to match no matter what you try.
If I’m hearing correctly; you went all the way to Idaho to Clint’s Pistol 2 class, you took a firearm that was not properly dialed in/Optic vetted?
With respect; I’d have brought an identical back up, both pistols verified for Zero and function prior to leaving.
Might just be the lighting but are you alright health wise Ivan?