Hey, just letting you know, Nintendo added this clock increase during loading screens to Botw and Mario Odyssey a couple years ago. If you go and check, botw should also bump the cpu clocks for faster loading. So the faster speeds in totk aren't just that.
This had a big impact on the BOTW speedrunning community. The Switch's v1.6 CPU speedup during loading made for a faster speedrun than the WiiU, and everyone changed platforms accordingly.
Keeping the switch overclocked all the time on cfw makes playing the switch a completely different experience. Nintendo is shitting the bed by not unlocking it on docked mode at least. Every single game runs so much better
@@StarmenRock I think they do it for longevity reasons since they probably can't guarantee that the switch will last a long time with it OC'd like that. Could probably find a workaround but yeah, think that's their reasoning.
@@Phoenix_1991 Its probably due to specifically the V1 switch holding the others back, as it is less efficiant. the mariko chip switches could probably run at the max reccomended tegra clock speeds without issue to the battery.
@@Phoenix_1991 in my case, my switch runs only 4C hotter when overclocked. They dont have to go full 1750mhz, just boost the gpu clock and get the CPU to around 1300mhz. That already makes kakariko village a solid 30fps with way less noticeable dips :c
If I remember correctly Breath of the Wild also had the same 1.785 MHz CPU boost feature during loading screens, so it must be some further optimization elsewhere. Very interesting to see that memory bandwith is the only bottleneck.
Yes, I do believe this is the case since one of the later updates. It does give a significant boost to loading times, but TotK is still a lot faster. Props to Nintendo for optimizing their loading algorithms, although it’s pretty much just impressive in general what they’ve managed to do on such old hardware.
@@zerogms9585 Oh, that’s really interesting! Didn’t know that they changed engines. Partially explains why they took 6 years to develop the game. Porting existing assets and such must be a lot of hard work.
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while using 4IFIR, status monitor won't open in game. when launched tesla overlay disappears and if you try to bring it back up, it doesn't. then if you go home, the switch locks up. if status monitor is launched before game is launched, it works ok. is this a known issue?
@@mrsco006 No problem. Don't forget to try the Stages. If Stage 7 (or even 7+) turns out to be stable on your hardware, consider that you did not lose the silicon lottery, and won an even more significant increase in performance and energy efficiency compared to the base 4IFIR. Good luck!
Thanks for pointing this out I was overclocking my switch but didn’t try over 1600mhz on RAM I heard was possible with other tools, and 2000mhz is even possible but that requires adjusting timings, so for anyone wondering those 1862mhz seen in this video is the max overclock that doesn’t usually require more foddering around anything beyond that and you may need to do way more difficult stuff to get there
i was actually just listening to the MVP podcast recently and remember you talking about being apprehensive in regards to making switch overclocking content, I'm glad you found a way to cover it
i think the art style of link's awakening made up for the occasional fps drops. it didn't feel as immediately obvious at it is in ToTK when going into ultra hand mode, or when walking into certain areas with lots of effects.
People alread did that and it changed nothing. Links awakenings problem seems to be somewhere else and has to do with the loading of new tile Moving the game from your SD card to internal storage seems to slightly improve this issue
I just really hope this videos brings back the homebrew community around ram overclocking, so this can spread and everyone can play Zelda the way it was meant too. All the tools for this are years old and there are no guide anywhere to get to get ti working simply. PLEASE bring this stuff back to life.
I work as a game developer, the way one programs the link's ability. It is creating a Sphere Ray-cast and a ray-cast hit array. To determine when objects are within the radius. Then in an update or tick you have to frame by frame determine if that object can be used with the link's ability, if so that particular object access the shader and turns it that bright color. If the object cannot be used as a skill, use the shader, which is like the red wave effect. The problem is that it also has a ray-cast in the center of the screen to interact with the object and that is why objects turn green. when you access those shaders. Every second the ray-cast/sphere ray-cast is running 28 to 30 times when you activate the ability and without counting the environment you lose performance in resources. Remember that visually it looks simple on the screen, but there are several processes that go from the CPU to the GPU when you see an object that shines on the screen. You have to store the vertices in a 3D object matrix, then pass it from the Vertex Shader to the Fragment Shader and GPU determine to create the final render. To improve performance don't make a skill of it looking for all those objects, just let it know which are the objects you can interact with per skill
I hoped for a Switch firmware update which allows 1600 MHz RAM clocks for handheld mode. This would make handheld gaming much smoother with only minor impact on fan noise and battery life.
Only they have no way of knowing if every individual Switch out there can handle those overclocks on memory. And they liek to err on the side of caution here, they don't want overheating systems out there because they OCed memory too high.
@@TerranigmaQuintet 1600 MHz is default for docked play, so it would also work for handheld play without issues (the extra power draw should be less than 1 W).
@@yellowblanka6058 The problem is, that then games could run much better in handheld mode than in docked mode because of the lower resolution. The basic idea of Nintendo is right: Lower resolution requires less bandwidth. But obviously the step down from 1600 MHz to 1333 MHz was to big. Maybe something like 1450 MHz would be good to achieve the same performance in handheld and docked play, but Switch does not allow values between 1333 and 1600 MHz AFAIN.
Hey I also overclocked TOTK and had great results! The switch is so useful when you can increase the CPU, GPU, or RAM depending on what game or application you are using. Jailbreaking this thing has really been so worth it in so many ways. Its an amazing device!
@@legros731 If thats the closed-minded approach you want to take. Despite that, it is capable of plenty of great things even if its obsolete by todays standard. But you'll never know because you only think of things in 1 way.
@@Dare1C no i am realistic contrary to you lol the switch can do nothing good when everything is a compromise in this children toy crap The thing is not even able to run the tegra 1 at full speed and this crap was obsolete even before the switch originally released
@@legros731 lol "realistic". Nobody here was being unrealistic in the first place, you goof. Nobody was saying its the greatest hardware ever created or some nonsense like that, so I dont get where you thought anything I said wasnt realistic. Honestly, you sound ignorant and pretty block-headed. The switch can run the Tegra at full speed. However, Nintendo made the conscious effort to lower some clockrate and other things for improved battery life. And when you jailbreak the system, you can choose how you want the device to operate. Again, you are just using one measurement to determine the system's value when the Switch and all of its accompanying software and applications are fantastic esp with free-range. But you'll just never know because you are stubborn and closed-minded. Anyways, have fun replying cause I aint wasting my time reading any more from you.
I've found that like a lot of games, alpha effects filling the screen absolutely murders performance. I climbed a tree on the tutorial sky Island thing and as soon as you get to the top and the canopy is semi transparent you drop to like 20fps. Don't remember it being quite this bad in BOTW, but it has been a while.
I played Ravenlok on my Series S and the alpha effects on explosions absolutely tanked performance. I'm surprised when it's a small indie game when much more demanding games don't have the same issues.
It was at launch. The great plateau and kakariko village specifically at launch murdered framerate but it got fixed over time to where there are basically no frame drops in BOTW. the same will probably happen here
I think Kakariko Village has to have coding issues, when the original 60+FPS patch dropped for CEMU, this was the only place where performance would tank any GPU.
it's mainly a design issue, all interiors are loaded in, lots of effects and lots of places where you can see most of the houses in one shot which is a nightmare for any game, that's why places like hateno or rito village run way better, you never see the whole thing at once. And while they may have optimized the game a bit more in those areas, they have also added caves, sky islands, and the fact that most objects are physics and have the capacity to fuse together, that must be a lot more demanding for memory bandwith than original botw. they also upgraded the LOD render distance which is nice but is too much too handle in those expansive areas. I didn't go to the korogu forest though and i must admit i'm looking forward to see how that one fairs in totk
I think that we would have a better experience on Nintendo games if mr Iwata was alive, that man made crazy stuff in terms of coding and performance for Nintendo consoles and games, rest in peace legend.
Great video - I've been playing ToTK and have been a bit frustrated at the framerate issues. Otherwise it's a great game. Nice to see that overlocking can solve these issues, I am hoping that Nintendo will release an update that optimizes a few things though and will help these issues for all users.
I cant believe it took me this long to finally subscribe after seeing you so much on the spawn cast. Great video. now its time to check out your back catalogue .
7:55 I think ironically it did dip below 30 fps right there at the turn. It’s still incredibly impressive though. Such a small change for such drastic results!
It's not that it fixes itself with drops. It's because it uses a double buffer vsync like most switch games. So if the game drops 2 fps to 28 fps, the vsync means it will go down to 20 fps. It's super annoying that all switch games use it. The benefit is that there is much less input lack compared to triple buffered vsync, but honestly an adaptive vsync would be best. Turning on at 30, but turning off when dropping
Not all Switch games use a double buffer, it's mainly BOTW, TOTK, & Link's Awakening as far as what comes to my mind. Mario Odyssey doesn't for example. In New Donk City it'll drop into the 50s sometimes. If it were double-buffered it'd be crashing hard to a straight 30. That said I do believe normal V-Sync is forced onto all Switch games. I've never seen a single game with a torn frame in my years of playing the system.
@@VexAcer Well every singel switch game ive seen DF cover that uses vsync its double buffer, There are a few games that dont use Vsync at all, but ive never ever seen an adaptive sync or triple buffered game. Honestly im starting to believe its a driver/API limitation.
@@VexAcer again they are very rare, but i think some thrid party/indie games had it but i cant remember. Again double buffer vsync seems to be the norm like the early PS3 days
ABSOLUTE GAMECHANGER. Thank you for this video, because of you I bought and hacked a switch and now I can play TOTK happily. The chugs on the stock Switch really bother me and give me motion sickness or headaches so the stable base fps with your OCs are incredible!!
I was waiting specifically for this video! Thanks for doing it! I was hoping Nintendo would do some magic to bring up the specs of the chipset a little since stock it's a little under utilized still. Personally I'd be happy to trade off some battery life to lock this in a little better. Have you run any tests on the battery with it overclocked especially the memory portion? I don't need 4.5-9 hours undocked (although 3-5 is still nice).
@MVG, I'm wondering if you can try running some tests on the draw distance as well? I would imagine that Nintendo is doing some interesting CPU/GPU tweaks for draw distance (like when Link is falling from the sky near the beginning of the game)? At any rate, Nintendo has put a lot of really good programming work into delivering this game....this is such a rare thing these days. Hats off to Nintendo for giving all the other studios a masterclass in how to release a game (even older generation hardware).
If we have longer development time of games then we should have longer lifecycle of consoles. Overwise devs shouldn't complain if a console is dragged for too long if they can't reduce the development time of their games
I ended up grabbing a series s for emulation after your video on the new Xbox and homebrew. I dumped twilight princess and booted into dolphin. Consistent 30 fps makes it feel totally different from before, and the 4k upscaling isn’t bad either.
@@ProcamadeUnfortunately, there is no way to get Twilight Princess to do 60. The whole game is built around 30, so somebody would need to tear up the whole game to get it going at 60. We just got lucky with BotW since it already accommodated for dynamic frame rates.
@@theEndermanMGS Ah I see, I never tried emulating it, I just downloaded the HD version and played it on the Wii U. Still, 30 fps is perfectly playable and enjoyable
The Lightning Temple is where I noticed the biggest FR issue. Not when inside it, but when you’re outside. Like when climbing to it or you’re on top of it.
This is one of the reasons I hope the switch 2 is backwards compatible. At this point, I just hope they keep incrementing on the switch, and each generation is backwards compatible (like a pc). It won't fix performance in all games, but with the increased clocks (especially with memory) it should help old switch titles like these run even better in the future.
Backwards compatibility is out of the scope for security reasons bynintendo (every single console that had this, had exploits from day zero thanks to it), so don't get your hopes up :(
@Wasif Ahsan Nah, "cloud gaming" has pretty much already peaked. It'll remain a niche until US internet providers decide to bring US internet infrastructure up to modern standards, which will probably never happen. It's something that publishers and console manufacturers would love to happen, but jumping solely to streaming would cost them nearly their entire US customer base since internet speeds aren't up to snuff for game streaming for most people in the US.
@@AngelHerrera-et6pn I mean, it wouldn't be impossible or even unlikely. Every one of Nintendo's consoles in recent memory has been backward compatible except the Switch, which makes sense given that it's an entirely different form factor and had to use cartridges because it's mobile, so it's pretty likely that it could happen. Backward compatibility has nothing to do with security and has never deterred Nintendo from implementing it.
@@AngelHerrera-et6pn That's because all the previous gen consoles had already been hacked at that point, and it was easy to break in through there. If we still haven't figured out a software exploit for the original switch by the time the switch 2 comes out, it being backwards compatible isn't going to make things any harder or easier.
Can't wait for the amazing mods we will get on PC in a year or two. The second wind mod for breath of the wild is an amazing expansion sized mod as well
@@Maroz4106Ew?? Dude is playing better than us why hate? Who cares I don't blame him how you gonna be mad at someone taking advantage of what they have?
The worst performance I got in the game is in the new place near the Zora Domain (where you first meet Sidon) When I played the 1.0 version of the game it literally froze for 2-3 seconds at a time in that area without even using Ultrahand, I was simply gliding over the area and rotating the camera.
I had that happen at Hyrule Castle Chasm. I feel like it thought I was going down into the chasm so it started loading that, but then I went back up by climbing the side of the wall and it had to reload the ground level again. Only time I ever had that kind of problem in the game so far.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if we see TOTK on Nintendo's next console. Also surprised they didn't go for a newer version of FSR. Still enjoying the game massively though.
At the top of temple of the wind, post-patch, the frame rate starts to tank as well. I guess it has to do with all the storm effects, the flying boats, the bird companion and the draw distances rendered at that altitude of the map
Overclocking memory could be a very interesting scenario because now it doesn't get tightly gripped on the processor's fan anymore but rather the need to properly apply thermal conductors on memory chips. This type of problem exists in so early days since first AMD APUs came out, and indeed increasing memory bandwidth helped on performance the most.
@@Vendigo6666 did I say that overclocking memory increases power consumption? Memory chips produce heat, it's a fact for every single computer. More or less depends on the design. But if you say that increasing memory clock speed has more risks of data corruption than the contribution of heat, then it's going to be another argument.
@@AmanBhimani if too much it increases the risk of data corruption and affect system stability. It also increases heat production on the chips but not much. So many of high clock DIMM RAMs will also come with heat conductor installed. The thing you see isn't just for decoration.
Your logo looks awesome now! ^_^ I would recommend tho (the animation in the video) being a little smaller. It's looking a little weird that big. Awesome video btw+
Just climb literally any tree. Idk why, there's something about having those transparent leaves right up the camera that tanks the framerate. Or scroll rapidly in your compendium. Rain is also a very bad one, but that's kindof classic particles framedrop in a lot of games.
And that too with a power consumption of about 10-15W! Although ARM chips have advanced significantly since then. Nintendo really needs new hardware. This game would have looked so much better with some AA and slightly higher resolution along with better and consistent performance.
@@robmoye7373 it would by definition be worse, as they don't currently have a known widespread overheating problem. you don't increase risk unless there is a benefit. they will see 0 more money from doing this overclock, but might see some cost in induced hardware problems. it would be a dumb move from a big company like nintendo, who doesn't build their brand around performance obsession or appeasing tech nerds
I overclocked tears of the kingdom and now the game runs so smooth without any stutters. Although pc would still be better I like how I can set up my switch anywhere and play.
Nintendo should definitely tweak the effects when activating Link's different powers. It's pretty horrid how the fps drop when using Ultra hand for example. Nonetheless, I am having fun with the game although I haven't played much yet.
I don't think they could just 'tweak' it to fix it. The powers are very demanding, grabbing and modifying physics data on potentially hundreds of objects
@@nodros1 SMH, nobody reads anymore, they just want to speak… they said tweak the effects when activating. Making a pulsing wave, color filter and glowing light emitting from Links hand is a lot of effects. Honestly just the glowing hand would be enough
This games a lil too addictive on the account that I almost missed an interview playing it. A game being that addicting has not been out for so long imo
If the performance bottleneck is effectively in memory, does this mean that there could be software-based improvements they can possibly make, over time, to eke out better performance? Like a more optimised load schedule, or different compression techniques? It just feels like the fact that it's memory bandwidth constrained more than CPU or GPU seems like in some ways it might be a bit more 'addressable' (pun entirely intended).
I would think, given 6 years of dev time, if it were something they could address in code, they would have. The Switch has always been badly memory bandwidth and to a lesser degree, CPU constrained.
@@alexbrookner5331 Heating and battery life concerns. The Switch is significantly underclocked compared to what the chip can do safely, but they went with lower speeds to preserve hardware integrity and so that the battery would last for more than an hour.
The plastic chassis would probably start to melt or memory start leaking or being corrupted after a certain time. There is a good reason the memory bandwidth is still locked. While it's doable, Nintendo would also have to change cooling and chassis for that to work, which is not gonna happen and remember every Switch iteration we had until now has different chassis.
I expected you to explain why nintendo doesn't just bump mem clock, i know thermals and batt life but it would be interesting to see it tested! great video
probably the reason why my og GC and NDS are still working, they care too much about making long life products, we live on a world of buying and discarding to get something new every few months. Nintendo maybe should change that and make better performance and shortest life consoles to match the latest hardware benchmarks.
I play this game with my LG C1s Motion interpolation (poor man’s DLSS3) enabled. The clarity win is huge, and input lag did not really rise noticeably (this kind of game doesn’t need fast reaction time anyway).
I used that (in my case the motion interpolation of my Philips TV) a lot with the PS4, PS4 Pro, and Switch. The additional input lag was quite noticeable, but I got surprisingly used to it after a while. Far from perfect, but in most games _way_ better than native 30 fps. I decided to play TOTK on an emulator for massive visual improvements and the chance to eventually be able to play with real 60 fps, but somehow the game confuses my TV's motion interpolation when capped to 30 fps, so no smooth experience for me at this time sadly. 😆
@@NeovanGoth Depends on the game and the TV. These OLEDs have such a low input lag, that it still keeps up with the average TV when activating motion interpolation. And as you said, you get used to it. In cast of TOTK, you read hit the key just a fraction of a second sooner, when the oppnents animation to hit you gets triggered.
How were you able to crank the memory speed past 1600mhz? Even on the newest sys-clk version I only see 1600 as the max. Did you have to edit the config manually and/or train the memory for the clock increase?
Is it possible for Nintendo to release a Firmware version that has specific clock speeds for specific games? It's always preferable to optimize the game, but I guest this is already pretty well optimized.
@@illustratum42 Yeah didn't remember that. Yet I'm also sure they won't. Underclocking is safe for the device. Now overclocking is different. A conservative company would never risk the chance of having to replace devices because of this and Nintendo is not known to be unorthodox lol
Great stuff, but what happened to the large fps overlay in the latter half of the video? We can't see a nice graph of the numbers without it. You used it earlier in the video so why not use it later on too? Many people won't notice that tiny, dim fps in the top left corner. Not complaining, love your videos, but this one wasn't clear enough with the fps figures.
I would have preferred the graph overlay for the whole video too. I was wondering for half of the video what I was supposed to look at until I noticed that small fps counter in the top left corner near the end. In the gameplay footage alone, I didn't even notice a before/after difference 😅 Edit: fixed typo
This is interesting. I think a 200MHz overclock on the memory should be fine, at least in docked mode... I think I'll look into that myself, as I play more or less exclusively in docked mode =)
@@muhammadamohsin I was thinking of the battery drain =) But I agree that aside from the extra battery drain, which might be under 1 minute for all I know, overclocking the memory would be even more noticeable on the 720p screen.
Interesting that Nintendo OC the CPU for loading. Does it hurt battery life to OC the Memory clocks and maybe that's why they aren't doing THIS to smooth out the overall gameplay experience... I'd prefer that, over faster-than-BOTW-loading-times. Is this Mem OC something Nintendo could apply on the fly for us? I mostly play in docked mode with an un-modded Switch of late 2017 and would certainly appreciate the boost for TOTK and other games.
I’ve come across something strange in my playing that no one else seems to have touched on, and maybe you can explain. When I idle the game after a while and come back to it after I take a break, the game will run higher than 30fps for me, seemingly close to 60fps. I can’t tell if the quality of the rest of the game is lower, but this doesn’t go away until I turn off the game, not even for fast traveling. I have the OLED Switch with no hardware overclocks. Has anyone else noticed this? And if not, is there any explanation for it?
Does your game run from the cartridge or digital version installed on internal flash? But I guess it won't make a difference during gameplay, it'll only affect loading time between scenes, since all game assets are in the memory.
After watching your video, I was thinking, isn't there a way that Nintendo could release a patch or a firmware update that lets the game switch to higher memory clock speeds in order to have better performance? The system will only go for higher clock speeds when the game is running and go back to stock clock speeds when not running.
@@thebravegallade731 Even though upping memory clocks that much most likely wouldn't increase power draw that much anyway. It uses LPDDR4 memory. The clocks are pretty conservative already for it.
There is nothing really interesting here except the confirmation that the best thing you can do is to OC your RAM. And especially if you can override it on boost.
The performance problems and a broken joycon were the reasons I decided to emulate this one. Spent a whole day learning how to dump my game cart and switch keys and firmware. Good decision honestly. The game is something else entirely at a higher resolution and framerate.
@@darkwing5458 lol emulating is a far superior experience than playing on the switch. My cart is basically a decoration at this point. I paid Nintendo, I can do whatever the hell I want. Stay pressed.
@@darkwing5458 Not if he dumped his own purchased game, and is using that in the emulator. No piracy there. Of course, what someone claims and what they actually do are often different things. 😉
After seeing this and all the performance issues with so many games, it makes me really wonder why nintendo is waiting so long to release their next gen console. It seems like they've gone beyond the limitations of the machine a lot...
They’re going to wait until they’ve sold the last Zelda OLED/special console bundle they can before announcing their new console. Which, given their descending sales shouldn’t be too long.
@@yellowblanka6058 They've been really secretive so far, we haven't even gotten a codename yet (NX was revealed mid 2015 IIRC). I guess they don't have to tell investors that they're working on a new system because the Switch is selling just fine (although down 20% YOY), unlike the Wii U era.
@@kzed They must see the writing on the wall with the new consoles releasing a few years ago, the inevitable end of cross-gen releases coming up and their slumping hardware sales. I think ToTK is probably the last first-party “hurrah” for the Switch.
If you have a 100+MM hardware userbase with the active user population actually increasing, most of your revenue being made out of the software on this platform (probably their platform with the biggest number of published titles to date), and this population clearly not being performance-oriented (otherwise they wouldn’t be playing on a Switch), why would you want to rush the process of developing another platform and risk alienating your userbase?
The Switch is old and needs a successor but, the fact that this game runs how it is on such weak hardware is still incredible, even with occasional slowdown
Since when could you overclock the memory? This wasn't a thing like 2 weeks ago lol. Pretty cool! I knew it was going to be a memory issue. It's pretty crazy how much 200mhz will change things. I upgraded from 2166mhz to 2666mhz on my PC recently and my frame rate literally doubled in some games lol.
About half year with 4ifir. Then on v2, lite and oled was possible overclock mem to 1996 mhz, now my oled running on 2666 mhz and can handle Tears of the Kingdom in 1080p.
It would be great if Nintendo could just come up with a patch for the game that gave you an option in the menu to allow for higher clock speeds, only allowing it while docked, and the feature could turn off if the switch reached a certain designated temperature threshold. Slap a disclaimer on it and allow the ones who want to use it to use it. But of course theres probably all sorts of reasons why they probably would never do anything like that.
Are there any precautions concerning changing memory speeds on a day1 device? I remember people saying overclocking your CPU on a day1 device might not be the best idea considering the wear and tear but I'd love to give this a try for TOTK.
I knew getting my Switch back to a homebrew modded state was the right call. Ironed out most of the slowdowns in Breath of the Wild (thou Lost Woods will sill chug regardless of what you do) with mild CPU and GPU overcloks and the memory to max. Looks likes that's what'll fix it this time too.
That trick to get faster loading is also used in Metroid Dread when loading a new section (like on an elevator or train). That's why the video framerate is so low during the loading movie.
I wonder, is there harm for Nintendo to push out a system firmware + game patch that allows this Memory Overclock? If it smooths out the performance this much, I am surprised they haven't considered this as an option. Memory Overclock wouldn't kill the battery life, only issue I can see is instability and Memory Quality vs which could be overclocked vs which couldn't.
The fact that some Switches might become unstable due to the “silicon lottery” is likely why they hold off, they don’t want to have to deal with more repairs. That and the increased heat and battery usage.
Since the Christmas morning I found my parents playing Space Invaders (they’d been up all night) on my Atari 2600 that they never got to wrapping, I’ve found all video games to be modern miracles. The only time I’ve ever complained is when I built a much needed new PC with the goal of playing GTA IV. $800 later it still didn’t perform as well as the XBOX 360 I ended up buying as well. PCs great; Consoles rock.
I just like the way your microphone appears to be hovering in mid-air due to the aggressive blurring around it
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I'm just now noticing this and it's sick
We're getting shafted on performance and mvg gives us just the tip
It's messing with my mind 😂
The Lost Woods in BotW where the Master Sword is has THE worse frate rate drop in the entire game.
Almost the entire series - I was getting Ocarina of Time vibes from that section :P
Went there in totk after helping the deku tree, didn't notice any frame drops there
@@ObtuseAcute1 CEMU doesn't count
also a beautiful place
*Hyrule castle:* _hold my beer_
Hey, just letting you know, Nintendo added this clock increase during loading screens to Botw and Mario Odyssey a couple years ago. If you go and check, botw should also bump the cpu clocks for faster loading. So the faster speeds in totk aren't just that.
This had a big impact on the BOTW speedrunning community. The Switch's v1.6 CPU speedup during loading made for a faster speedrun than the WiiU, and everyone changed platforms accordingly.
Keeping the switch overclocked all the time on cfw makes playing the switch a completely different experience. Nintendo is shitting the bed by not unlocking it on docked mode at least. Every single game runs so much better
@@StarmenRock I think they do it for longevity reasons since they probably can't guarantee that the switch will last a long time with it OC'd like that. Could probably find a workaround but yeah, think that's their reasoning.
@@Phoenix_1991 Its probably due to specifically the V1 switch holding the others back, as it is less efficiant.
the mariko chip switches could probably run at the max reccomended tegra clock speeds without issue to the battery.
@@Phoenix_1991 in my case, my switch runs only 4C hotter when overclocked. They dont have to go full 1750mhz, just boost the gpu clock and get the CPU to around 1300mhz. That already makes kakariko village a solid 30fps with way less noticeable dips :c
memory bandwidth is the main bottleneck in APUs like 90+% of the time
Also SOCs like the M1 and M2 chip and Mesh bases cpus like AMD ZEN and Skylake -X, Sapphire rapids etc
@BigTitMaster nope it's a soc. Apu is gpu and cpu. The M1 and M2 have ram, cpu, gpu and encoding chips all on one chip.
@BigTitMaster the switch has an soc
Просто поставьте 4ifir и у вас не будет проблем с bandwidth bottleneck
Why don’t Nintendo use that extra memory bandwidth or whatever
If I remember correctly Breath of the Wild also had the same 1.785 MHz CPU boost feature during loading screens, so it must be some further optimization elsewhere.
Very interesting to see that memory bandwith is the only bottleneck.
Yep, but they only added it with a later update. Don't know which one though.
Yes, I do believe this is the case since one of the later updates. It does give a significant boost to loading times, but TotK is still a lot faster. Props to Nintendo for optimizing their loading algorithms, although it’s pretty much just impressive in general what they’ve managed to do on such old hardware.
Might be caused of the Engine change. TotK uses the Splatoon Engine.
@@zerogms9585 Oh, that’s really interesting! Didn’t know that they changed engines. Partially explains why they took 6 years to develop the game. Porting existing assets and such must be a lot of hard work.
@@zerogms9585 how do you know that?
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while using 4IFIR, status monitor won't open in game. when launched tesla overlay disappears and if you try to bring it back up, it doesn't. then if you go home, the switch locks up. if status monitor is launched before game is launched, it works ok.
is this a known issue?
i figured it out. just deleted atmosphere and bootloader and saltysd folders and started over. working ok now. sorry to bother
@@mrsco006 No problem.
Don't forget to try the Stages. If Stage 7 (or even 7+) turns out to be stable on your hardware, consider that you did not lose the silicon lottery, and won an even more significant increase in performance and energy efficiency compared to the base 4IFIR.
Good luck!
I've used 4IFIR ST7+ on my Mariko for several days, the performance and power efficiency is so good ! thanks for your development !
@@JerryWn12 You are welcome
Thanks for pointing this out I was overclocking my switch but didn’t try over 1600mhz on RAM I heard was possible with other tools, and 2000mhz is even possible but that requires adjusting timings, so for anyone wondering those 1862mhz seen in this video is the max overclock that doesn’t usually require more foddering around anything beyond that and you may need to do way more difficult stuff to get there
i was actually just listening to the MVP podcast recently and remember you talking about being apprehensive in regards to making switch overclocking content, I'm glad you found a way to cover it
I would love a revisit of Link’s Awakening with these new tools to see if they fix the issues in that game as well
Yup
i think the art style of link's awakening made up for the occasional fps drops. it didn't feel as immediately obvious at it is in ToTK when going into ultra hand mode, or when walking into certain areas with lots of effects.
Like the shadows fr needs to be fixed. Cant even enjoy the best areas lkke forests because shadows flicker so much
People alread did that and it changed nothing. Links awakenings problem seems to be somewhere else and has to do with the loading of new tile
Moving the game from your SD card to internal storage seems to slightly improve this issue
@@jacobasnodgrass5853 Honestly the frame dips in Link's Awakening felt much worse for me than what I've seen in TotK so far
I just really hope this videos brings back the homebrew community around ram overclocking, so this can spread and everyone can play Zelda the way it was meant too. All the tools for this are years old and there are no guide anywhere to get to get ti working simply. PLEASE bring this stuff back to life.
I work as a game developer, the way one programs the link's ability. It is creating a Sphere Ray-cast and a ray-cast hit array. To determine when objects are within the radius. Then in an update or tick you have to frame by frame determine if that object can be used with the link's ability, if so that particular object access the shader and turns it that bright color. If the object cannot be used as a skill, use the shader, which is like the red wave effect. The problem is that it also has a ray-cast in the center of the screen to interact with the object and that is why objects turn green. when you access those shaders. Every second the ray-cast/sphere ray-cast is running 28 to 30 times when you activate the ability and without counting the environment you lose performance in resources. Remember that visually it looks simple on the screen, but there are several processes that go from the CPU to the GPU when you see an object that shines on the screen. You have to store the vertices in a 3D object matrix, then pass it from the Vertex Shader to the Fragment Shader and GPU determine to create the final render. To improve performance don't make a skill of it looking for all those objects, just let it know which are the objects you can interact with per skill
that is kinda irrelevant, this is just a memory bandwidth bottleneck. too many alpha texture overlays for the narrow bandwidth of the switch
I hoped for a Switch firmware update which allows 1600 MHz RAM clocks for handheld mode. This would make handheld gaming much smoother with only minor impact on fan noise and battery life.
Nope they wont, cuase v1 switch has optimal clock at 1600, some bad sillicon lotery might not able stable beyond that
Only they have no way of knowing if every individual Switch out there can handle those overclocks on memory. And they liek to err on the side of caution here, they don't want overheating systems out there because they OCed memory too high.
@@TerranigmaQuintet 1600 MHz is default for docked play, so it would also work for handheld play without issues (the extra power draw should be less than 1 W).
Eh, if it was so minor they would have done it already I think. They wouldn’t leave free performance on the table.
@@yellowblanka6058 The problem is, that then games could run much better in handheld mode than in docked mode because of the lower resolution. The basic idea of Nintendo is right: Lower resolution requires less bandwidth. But obviously the step down from 1600 MHz to 1333 MHz was to big. Maybe something like 1450 MHz would be good to achieve the same performance in handheld and docked play, but Switch does not allow values between 1333 and 1600 MHz AFAIN.
Awesome video ! Thanks again MVG
Thanks the video!
I always like to watch your content, because its are simple and easy to understand them.
Hey I also overclocked TOTK and had great results! The switch is so useful when you can increase the CPU, GPU, or RAM depending on what game or application you are using.
Jailbreaking this thing has really been so worth it in so many ways. Its an amazing device!
Lol amazing device with a obsolete 8 year old soc and crap performance
@@legros731 If thats the closed-minded approach you want to take. Despite that, it is capable of plenty of great things even if its obsolete by todays standard.
But you'll never know because you only think of things in 1 way.
@@legros731 Yet here you are spending time talking about it :P
@@Dare1C no i am realistic contrary to you lol the switch can do nothing good when everything is a compromise in this children toy crap
The thing is not even able to run the tegra 1 at full speed and this crap was obsolete even before the switch originally released
@@legros731 lol "realistic". Nobody here was being unrealistic in the first place, you goof. Nobody was saying its the greatest hardware ever created or some nonsense like that, so I dont get where you thought anything I said wasnt realistic.
Honestly, you sound ignorant and pretty block-headed. The switch can run the Tegra at full speed. However, Nintendo made the conscious effort to lower some clockrate and other things for improved battery life. And when you jailbreak the system, you can choose how you want the device to operate.
Again, you are just using one measurement to determine the system's value when the Switch and all of its accompanying software and applications are fantastic esp with free-range. But you'll just never know because you are stubborn and closed-minded. Anyways, have fun replying cause I aint wasting my time reading any more from you.
Love these kind of videos! Thanks MVG !
I love how you left the open ended question...
I'm curious to see now what will Nintendo do about it, if they do anything at all 😂
I feel like doing this would absolutely tank battery, hell it already does, Totk in it's current setting already has the switch crying for mercy
With 4IFIR overclocking you can get x2-x3 performance gain with the same power consumption.
Exactly the video i was looking for since the game was relased, thanks man !
I've found that like a lot of games, alpha effects filling the screen absolutely murders performance. I climbed a tree on the tutorial sky Island thing and as soon as you get to the top and the canopy is semi transparent you drop to like 20fps. Don't remember it being quite this bad in BOTW, but it has been a while.
Transparency requires the correct draw order when rendering, they should have spent more time optimizing that area
I played Ravenlok on my Series S and the alpha effects on explosions absolutely tanked performance. I'm surprised when it's a small indie game when much more demanding games don't have the same issues.
@@mrcraggle Not surprising, an indie developer doesn’t have the financial, manpower or tech resources of a AAA developer.
It was at launch. The great plateau and kakariko village specifically at launch murdered framerate but it got fixed over time to where there are basically no frame drops in BOTW. the same will probably happen here
@@CaptSoban alpha sorting can be more taxing than just to deal with overdraw, especially if you dont have any free performance to use
Thank you for the upload, MUG. I think it covers a rage of issues that needed to see the light of day.
I think Kakariko Village has to have coding issues, when the original 60+FPS patch dropped for CEMU, this was the only place where performance would tank any GPU.
it's mainly a design issue, all interiors are loaded in, lots of effects and lots of places where you can see most of the houses in one shot which is a nightmare for any game, that's why places like hateno or rito village run way better, you never see the whole thing at once. And while they may have optimized the game a bit more in those areas, they have also added caves, sky islands, and the fact that most objects are physics and have the capacity to fuse together, that must be a lot more demanding for memory bandwith than original botw. they also upgraded the LOD render distance which is nice but is too much too handle in those expansive areas. I didn't go to the korogu forest though and i must admit i'm looking forward to see how that one fairs in totk
@@totidoki05 korok forest runs much much closer to 30 in totk, only issue is the frame pacing gets a little inconsistent
Absolutely, is not a Cemu fault. Sure.
I think that we would have a better experience on Nintendo games if mr Iwata was alive, that man made crazy stuff in terms of coding and performance for Nintendo consoles and games, rest in peace legend.
I was running everything at max before watching this video and I'm so glad I just have to change the memory now
Great video - I've been playing ToTK and have been a bit frustrated at the framerate issues. Otherwise it's a great game. Nice to see that overlocking can solve these issues, I am hoping that Nintendo will release an update that optimizes a few things though and will help these issues for all users.
I cant believe it took me this long to finally subscribe after seeing you so much on the spawn cast.
Great video. now its time to check out your back catalogue .
7:55 I think ironically it did dip below 30 fps right there at the turn. It’s still incredibly impressive though. Such a small change for such drastic results!
Who’s using the switch up channel on their lunch break 😆
No it didn’t he just paused momentarily and then moved again. You can see the FPS given by the system in the top left corner
I can't stop seeing the word MUG in your new icon. I'm havin' a real mug moment here lads.
Thr fact this game has so much and It's basically running on phone hardware I give the devs huge props!
What a nice & well constructed video ! Ty ❤
It's not that it fixes itself with drops. It's because it uses a double buffer vsync like most switch games. So if the game drops 2 fps to 28 fps, the vsync means it will go down to 20 fps.
It's super annoying that all switch games use it. The benefit is that there is much less input lack compared to triple buffered vsync, but honestly an adaptive vsync would be best. Turning on at 30, but turning off when dropping
At least the controls remain snappy with a double frame buffer.
Not all Switch games use a double buffer, it's mainly BOTW, TOTK, & Link's Awakening as far as what comes to my mind.
Mario Odyssey doesn't for example. In New Donk City it'll drop into the 50s sometimes. If it were double-buffered it'd be crashing hard to a straight 30.
That said I do believe normal V-Sync is forced onto all Switch games. I've never seen a single game with a torn frame in my years of playing the system.
@@VexAcer Well every singel switch game ive seen DF cover that uses vsync its double buffer, There are a few games that dont use Vsync at all, but ive never ever seen an adaptive sync or triple buffered game. Honestly im starting to believe its a driver/API limitation.
@@wile123456 What are some games that don't use V-Sync? If that's the case then those should have tearing, which I've never seen on the Switch.
@@VexAcer again they are very rare, but i think some thrid party/indie games had it but i cant remember. Again double buffer vsync seems to be the norm like the early PS3 days
Man that blur is messing with my eyes the floating mic looks insane
ABSOLUTE GAMECHANGER. Thank you for this video, because of you I bought and hacked a switch and now I can play TOTK happily. The chugs on the stock Switch really bother me and give me motion sickness or headaches so the stable base fps with your OCs are incredible!!
Awesome video!
I was waiting specifically for this video! Thanks for doing it! I was hoping Nintendo would do some magic to bring up the specs of the chipset a little since stock it's a little under utilized still. Personally I'd be happy to trade off some battery life to lock this in a little better. Have you run any tests on the battery with it overclocked especially the memory portion? I don't need 4.5-9 hours undocked (although 3-5 is still nice).
I get 2 hours and 40 mins in handheld with ToTK on an original switch, RIP (Without overclocking that is)
@@MattKimura Yea that OG Switch battery life is rooough now....
Great video MVG! I can honestly say that this is a sign of things to come with the new Switch on the horizon. Thank you sir!
@MVG, I'm wondering if you can try running some tests on the draw distance as well? I would imagine that Nintendo is doing some interesting CPU/GPU tweaks for draw distance (like when Link is falling from the sky near the beginning of the game)? At any rate, Nintendo has put a lot of really good programming work into delivering this game....this is such a rare thing these days. Hats off to Nintendo for giving all the other studios a masterclass in how to release a game (even older generation hardware).
really pisses me off how we didn't get a next gen console with the release of totk, would have been such a success, and a proper way to play this game
If we have longer development time of games then we should have longer lifecycle of consoles.
Overwise devs shouldn't complain if a console is dragged for too long if they can't reduce the development time of their games
I ended up grabbing a series s for emulation after your video on the new Xbox and homebrew. I dumped twilight princess and booted into dolphin. Consistent 30 fps makes it feel totally different from before, and the 4k upscaling isn’t bad either.
I would prefer 1080p 60fps at that point honestly
@@ProcamadeUnfortunately, there is no way to get Twilight Princess to do 60. The whole game is built around 30, so somebody would need to tear up the whole game to get it going at 60. We just got lucky with BotW since it already accommodated for dynamic frame rates.
@@theEndermanMGS Ah I see, I never tried emulating it, I just downloaded the HD version and played it on the Wii U. Still, 30 fps is perfectly playable and enjoyable
The Lightning Temple is where I noticed the biggest FR issue. Not when inside it, but when you’re outside. Like when climbing to it or you’re on top of it.
This is one of the reasons I hope the switch 2 is backwards compatible. At this point, I just hope they keep incrementing on the switch, and each generation is backwards compatible (like a pc). It won't fix performance in all games, but with the increased clocks (especially with memory) it should help old switch titles like these run even better in the future.
Backwards compatibility is out of the scope for security reasons bynintendo (every single console that had this, had exploits from day zero thanks to it), so don't get your hopes up :(
@Wasif Ahsan Nah, "cloud gaming" has pretty much already peaked. It'll remain a niche until US internet providers decide to bring US internet infrastructure up to modern standards, which will probably never happen. It's something that publishers and console manufacturers would love to happen, but jumping solely to streaming would cost them nearly their entire US customer base since internet speeds aren't up to snuff for game streaming for most people in the US.
@@AngelHerrera-et6pn I mean, it wouldn't be impossible or even unlikely. Every one of Nintendo's consoles in recent memory has been backward compatible except the Switch, which makes sense given that it's an entirely different form factor and had to use cartridges because it's mobile, so it's pretty likely that it could happen.
Backward compatibility has nothing to do with security and has never deterred Nintendo from implementing it.
@@AngelHerrera-et6pn That's because all the previous gen consoles had already been hacked at that point, and it was easy to break in through there.
If we still haven't figured out a software exploit for the original switch by the time the switch 2 comes out, it being backwards compatible isn't going to make things any harder or easier.
@@elctwenty1328 Exactly. The only switches that have been cracked are the OG switch. They did something in the newer ones to prevent pirates.
Fun Fact. This will be the game that I test Game Motion + on my new OLED that arrives tomorrow.
Can't wait for the amazing mods we will get on PC in a year or two. The second wind mod for breath of the wild is an amazing expansion sized mod as well
I play right now on PC 60fps pretty smoothly at 4k :)
I tried Second Wind a couple months ago but unfortunately it wasn't feature complete, most of the new quests and areas were still unfinished.
@@anbbu5286 ew
i literally played the game before everyone else cause it leaked
@@Maroz4106Ew?? Dude is playing better than us why hate? Who cares I don't blame him how you gonna be mad at someone taking advantage of what they have?
Mvg 👏👏 top quality as always and very informative.
The worst performance I got in the game is in the new place near the Zora Domain (where you first meet Sidon)
When I played the 1.0 version of the game it literally froze for 2-3 seconds at a time in that area without even using Ultrahand, I was simply gliding over the area and rotating the camera.
Never got that bad for me
I had a 5+ second freeze while diving from the sky on 1.0, but haven't seen something like that after the update.
@@Alakadoof great signs, hopefully they'll try to improve it up to a consistent 30 fps.
I had that happen at Hyrule Castle Chasm. I feel like it thought I was going down into the chasm so it started loading that, but then I went back up by climbing the side of the wall and it had to reload the ground level again.
Only time I ever had that kind of problem in the game so far.
This game is practically unplayable in the 1.0 version, don't let anyone play that version, always patch to the latest version.
Surprised so much memory bandwidth is being used when standing in a cave in Goron City.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if we see TOTK on Nintendo's next console. Also surprised they didn't go for a newer version of FSR.
Still enjoying the game massively though.
Exciting to think what a moderate spec-bump on a Switch successor can do for backwards compatible games like this - if they support it.
At the top of temple of the wind, post-patch, the frame rate starts to tank as well. I guess it has to do with all the storm effects, the flying boats, the bird companion and the draw distances rendered at that altitude of the map
Great Video, heard about you doing this on Spawncast
Great investigation, didn’t realize Sys-clk allowed for higher memory clocks now, will check it out!
The Deku Tree in the Korok Forest comes to mind, youll get single digits there,
Overclocking memory could be a very interesting scenario because now it doesn't get tightly gripped on the processor's fan anymore but rather the need to properly apply thermal conductors on memory chips. This type of problem exists in so early days since first AMD APUs came out, and indeed increasing memory bandwidth helped on performance the most.
Overclocking memory speed and timings with the same voltage does not increase power consumption. What are you talking about?
Does overlocking memory have any downsides or risk of harm to the actual board?
@@Vendigo6666 did I say that overclocking memory increases power consumption?
Memory chips produce heat, it's a fact for every single computer. More or less depends on the design. But if you say that increasing memory clock speed has more risks of data corruption than the contribution of heat, then it's going to be another argument.
@@AmanBhimani if too much it increases the risk of data corruption and affect system stability. It also increases heat production on the chips but not much.
So many of high clock DIMM RAMs will also come with heat conductor installed. The thing you see isn't just for decoration.
Your logo looks awesome now! ^_^ I would recommend tho (the animation in the video) being a little smaller. It's looking a little weird that big.
Awesome video btw+
Just climb literally any tree. Idk why, there's something about having those transparent leaves right up the camera that tanks the framerate. Or scroll rapidly in your compendium. Rain is also a very bad one, but that's kindof classic particles framedrop in a lot of games.
Will you make a quick simple guide? Don't like the idea of installing Atmosphere.
Thanks ✨
It's impressive that a midrange smartphone from 2015 can run a game so pretty like this
And that too with a power consumption of about 10-15W! Although ARM chips have advanced significantly since then. Nintendo really needs new hardware. This game would have looked so much better with some AA and slightly higher resolution along with better and consistent performance.
Very interesting video, thanks for your continued efforts
Man nintendo should just really enable this via a software update or something, seems like a great improvement.
Until someone's Switch just happens to have poor binning and overheats, and they end up getting the heat for it (pun very intended)
@@TerranigmaQuintet Wouldnt be any worse than the joycon drift fiasco.
And get murdered for battery consumption
@@robmoye7373 it would by definition be worse, as they don't currently have a known widespread overheating problem. you don't increase risk unless there is a benefit. they will see 0 more money from doing this overclock, but might see some cost in induced hardware problems. it would be a dumb move from a big company like nintendo, who doesn't build their brand around performance obsession or appeasing tech nerds
@@blarghblargh sure
I overclocked tears of the kingdom and now the game runs so smooth without any stutters. Although pc would still be better I like how I can set up my switch anywhere and play.
Is this a separate plugin needed for the memory overclock? I do not think SykCLK has the ability to do memory overclock on its own.
From what I've seen with no clip is that BOTW and TOTK both as re rendering the inside of the houses in the villages
Nintendo should definitely tweak the effects when activating Link's different powers. It's pretty horrid how the fps drop when using Ultra hand for example.
Nonetheless, I am having fun with the game although I haven't played much yet.
I don't think they could just 'tweak' it to fix it. The powers are very demanding, grabbing and modifying physics data on potentially hundreds of objects
@@nodros1 SMH, nobody reads anymore, they just want to speak… they said tweak the effects when activating. Making a pulsing wave, color filter and glowing light emitting from Links hand is a lot of effects. Honestly just the glowing hand would be enough
@@nodros1 the fps drops even without you moving around any objects.... So it's likely the graphical effects causing frame drops.
This games a lil too addictive on the account that I almost missed an interview playing it. A game being that addicting has not been out for so long imo
If the performance bottleneck is effectively in memory, does this mean that there could be software-based improvements they can possibly make, over time, to eke out better performance? Like a more optimised load schedule, or different compression techniques? It just feels like the fact that it's memory bandwidth constrained more than CPU or GPU seems like in some ways it might be a bit more 'addressable' (pun entirely intended).
Nope lol, the software optimization already reach the limit, looks botw and totk 6yr different but yet still same perfomance issue
I would think, given 6 years of dev time, if it were something they could address in code, they would have. The Switch has always been badly memory bandwidth and to a lesser degree, CPU constrained.
Can some please explain why MVG can change the memory bandwidth to improve performance but Nintendo can’t. Am I missing something?
@@alexbrookner5331 Heating and battery life concerns. The Switch is significantly underclocked compared to what the chip can do safely, but they went with lower speeds to preserve hardware integrity and so that the battery would last for more than an hour.
The plastic chassis would probably start to melt or memory start leaking or being corrupted after a certain time. There is a good reason the memory bandwidth is still locked. While it's doable, Nintendo would also have to change cooling and chassis for that to work, which is not gonna happen and remember every Switch iteration we had until now has different chassis.
Liking the new logo. Keep it up, Dimitris!
[Is that how you spell your name?]
I expected you to explain why nintendo doesn't just bump mem clock, i know thermals and batt life but it would be interesting to see it tested! great video
probably the reason why my og GC and NDS are still working, they care too much about making long life products, we live on a world of buying and discarding to get something new every few months. Nintendo maybe should change that and make better performance and shortest life consoles to match the latest hardware benchmarks.
Awesome video, awesome shirt.
I play this game with my LG C1s Motion interpolation (poor man’s DLSS3) enabled. The clarity win is huge, and input lag did not really rise noticeably (this kind of game doesn’t need fast reaction time anyway).
I used that (in my case the motion interpolation of my Philips TV) a lot with the PS4, PS4 Pro, and Switch. The additional input lag was quite noticeable, but I got surprisingly used to it after a while. Far from perfect, but in most games _way_ better than native 30 fps.
I decided to play TOTK on an emulator for massive visual improvements and the chance to eventually be able to play with real 60 fps, but somehow the game confuses my TV's motion interpolation when capped to 30 fps, so no smooth experience for me at this time sadly. 😆
@@NeovanGoth Depends on the game and the TV. These OLEDs have such a low input lag, that it still keeps up with the average TV when activating motion interpolation. And as you said, you get used to it. In cast of TOTK, you read hit the key just a fraction of a second sooner, when the oppnents animation to hit you gets triggered.
You can get a consistently 20FPS or lower when climbing tree tops, confident it happens in every tree sky islands biome.
How were you able to crank the memory speed past 1600mhz? Even on the newest sys-clk version I only see 1600 as the max. Did you have to edit the config manually and/or train the memory for the clock increase?
Im wondering that as well. I just installed the latest version of sys-clk and it caps out at 1600MHz for mem
I love how this confirms something that I said since before the Switch launched: that it would be memory bandwidth limited.
Is it possible for Nintendo to release a Firmware version that has specific clock speeds for specific games? It's always preferable to optimize the game, but I guest this is already pretty well optimized.
If they can modify the cpu clocks and gpu clocks for loading screens, stands to reason they could do the same for memory. Will they, probably not
@@illustratum42 Yeah didn't remember that. Yet I'm also sure they won't. Underclocking is safe for the device. Now overclocking is different. A conservative company would never risk the chance of having to replace devices because of this and Nintendo is not known to be unorthodox lol
@@illustratum42 CPU clocks are still in spec for the chip. Going beyond 1600 MHz is beyond factory spec.
The next Nintendo console would dream with PS5's memory bandwidth or Apple M series chips.
Great stuff, but what happened to the large fps overlay in the latter half of the video? We can't see a nice graph of the numbers without it. You used it earlier in the video so why not use it later on too? Many people won't notice that tiny, dim fps in the top left corner. Not complaining, love your videos, but this one wasn't clear enough with the fps figures.
Top left
I would have preferred the graph overlay for the whole video too. I was wondering for half of the video what I was supposed to look at until I noticed that small fps counter in the top left corner near the end. In the gameplay footage alone, I didn't even notice a before/after difference 😅
Edit: fixed typo
@@GamingRobioto I know, but I was referring to the large graphical overlay at the base of the screen which was absent in the latter half of the video.
Great coverage
This is interesting. I think a 200MHz overclock on the memory should be fine, at least in docked mode... I think I'll look into that myself, as I play more or less exclusively in docked mode =)
Has no correlation for docked or handheld. If anything it’s a bigger benefit on handheld.
@@muhammadamohsin I was thinking of the battery drain =) But I agree that aside from the extra battery drain, which might be under 1 minute for all I know, overclocking the memory would be even more noticeable on the 720p screen.
Interesting that Nintendo OC the CPU for loading. Does it hurt battery life to OC the Memory clocks and maybe that's why they aren't doing THIS to smooth out the overall gameplay experience... I'd prefer that, over faster-than-BOTW-loading-times. Is this Mem OC something Nintendo could apply on the fly for us? I mostly play in docked mode with an un-modded Switch of late 2017 and would certainly appreciate the boost for TOTK and other games.
I'm probably going to play this on PC when I get around to it.
Steam deck! I have a switch but I need to try out switch emulation sometime 😂
I’ve come across something strange in my playing that no one else seems to have touched on, and maybe you can explain. When I idle the game after a while and come back to it after I take a break, the game will run higher than 30fps for me, seemingly close to 60fps. I can’t tell if the quality of the rest of the game is lower, but this doesn’t go away until I turn off the game, not even for fast traveling. I have the OLED Switch with no hardware overclocks. Has anyone else noticed this? And if not, is there any explanation for it?
Does your game run from the cartridge or digital version installed on internal flash? But I guess it won't make a difference during gameplay, it'll only affect loading time between scenes, since all game assets are in the memory.
i'm setting up that memory overclock right now. that performance increase is huge
After watching your video, I was thinking, isn't there a way that Nintendo could release a patch or a firmware update that lets the game switch to higher memory clock speeds in order to have better performance? The system will only go for higher clock speeds when the game is running and go back to stock clock speeds when not running.
They could but Nintendo is way too conservative and if they haven't unlocked the rates yet I don't see them ever doing it
@@anonony9081 I'm pretty sure its a thermal and battery lifr issue for V1 switches specifically.
@@thebravegallade731 Even though upping memory clocks that much most likely wouldn't increase power draw that much anyway. It uses LPDDR4 memory. The clocks are pretty conservative already for it.
There is nothing really interesting here except the confirmation that the best thing you can do is to OC your RAM. And especially if you can override it on boost.
This is pretty neat stuff. I've seen that there's a 60fps patch going around now for TOTK.
Yeah and its works flawlessly docked with overclock or with original charger plugged in!
I'm guessing it drops resolution pretty heavily. I'm good with 900p or even 720p but any lower than that and I would rather take the 30fps.
Great video!it would be very cool if you could re visit some old games like Bayonetta 3, and see how much of an impact the memory overclock has
The performance problems and a broken joycon were the reasons I decided to emulate this one. Spent a whole day learning how to dump my game cart and switch keys and firmware.
Good decision honestly. The game is something else entirely at a higher resolution and framerate.
You think anyone cares you dumped your own keys and game? You are a pirate...😂
@@darkwing5458 ah yes a pirate despite them owning the game
Shut up you clown
@@darkwing5458 lol emulating is a far superior experience than playing on the switch. My cart is basically a decoration at this point. I paid Nintendo, I can do whatever the hell I want. Stay pressed.
@@darkwing5458 Not if he dumped his own purchased game, and is using that in the emulator. No piracy there.
Of course, what someone claims and what they actually do are often different things. 😉
@@darkwing5458 - I think it's awesome, clever, and justified so speak for yourself.
Thats insane you could manage to do this
After seeing this and all the performance issues with so many games, it makes me really wonder why nintendo is waiting so long to release their next gen console. It seems like they've gone beyond the limitations of the machine a lot...
They’re going to wait until they’ve sold the last Zelda OLED/special console bundle they can before announcing their new console. Which, given their descending sales shouldn’t be too long.
@@yellowblanka6058 rofl you're not wrong. Push it til it breaks, and it's damn near there.
@@yellowblanka6058 They've been really secretive so far, we haven't even gotten a codename yet (NX was revealed mid 2015 IIRC). I guess they don't have to tell investors that they're working on a new system because the Switch is selling just fine (although down 20% YOY), unlike the Wii U era.
@@kzed They must see the writing on the wall with the new consoles releasing a few years ago, the inevitable end of cross-gen releases coming up and their slumping hardware sales. I think ToTK is probably the last first-party “hurrah” for the Switch.
If you have a 100+MM hardware userbase with the active user population actually increasing, most of your revenue being made out of the software on this platform (probably their platform with the biggest number of published titles to date), and this population clearly not being performance-oriented (otherwise they wouldn’t be playing on a Switch), why would you want to rush the process of developing another platform and risk alienating your userbase?
The Switch is old and needs a successor but, the fact that this game runs how it is on such weak hardware is still incredible, even with occasional slowdown
Since when could you overclock the memory? This wasn't a thing like 2 weeks ago lol. Pretty cool! I knew it was going to be a memory issue. It's pretty crazy how much 200mhz will change things. I upgraded from 2166mhz to 2666mhz on my PC recently and my frame rate literally doubled in some games lol.
About half year with 4ifir. Then on v2, lite and oled was possible overclock mem to 1996 mhz, now my oled running on 2666 mhz and can handle Tears of the Kingdom in 1080p.
Every decent game channel, starts their video with "So, I've been playing a lot of ToTK lately". so have I! :) Fantastic game
It would be great if Nintendo could just come up with a patch for the game that gave you an option in the menu to allow for higher clock speeds, only allowing it while docked, and the feature could turn off if the switch reached a certain designated temperature threshold. Slap a disclaimer on it and allow the ones who want to use it to use it.
But of course theres probably all sorts of reasons why they probably would never do anything like that.
It's astonishing how this game is still modern enough, even running on such a crappy CPU, while we have several CPU bottlenecked games on PC.
Are there any precautions concerning changing memory speeds on a day1 device? I remember people saying overclocking your CPU on a day1 device might not be the best idea considering the wear and tear but I'd love to give this a try for TOTK.
The switch is an underclocked Tegra X1. Meaning overcloking it actually lifts it to the normal Tegra X1 specs
I'm just going to wait for the inevitable switch pro, or switch 2 upgrade of this game.
I knew getting my Switch back to a homebrew modded state was the right call. Ironed out most of the slowdowns in Breath of the Wild (thou Lost Woods will sill chug regardless of what you do) with mild CPU and GPU overcloks and the memory to max. Looks likes that's what'll fix it this time too.
That trick to get faster loading is also used in Metroid Dread when loading a new section (like on an elevator or train). That's why the video framerate is so low during the loading movie.
I wonder, is there harm for Nintendo to push out a system firmware + game patch that allows this Memory Overclock? If it smooths out the performance this much, I am surprised they haven't considered this as an option. Memory Overclock wouldn't kill the battery life, only issue I can see is instability and Memory Quality vs which could be overclocked vs which couldn't.
The fact that some Switches might become unstable due to the “silicon lottery” is likely why they hold off, they don’t want to have to deal with more repairs. That and the increased heat and battery usage.
Interesante video como siempre! Gracias!! 😎👍🏽
Since the Christmas morning I found my parents playing Space Invaders (they’d been up all night) on my Atari 2600 that they never got to wrapping, I’ve found all video games to be modern miracles.
The only time I’ve ever complained is when I built a much needed new PC with the goal of playing GTA IV. $800 later it still didn’t perform as well as the XBOX 360 I ended up buying as well. PCs great; Consoles rock.
gta 4 was just really bad optimized.
Really good video, the cause of lag as been found