Would be curious how your experiences have been. I switched to Linux full time at home at the beginning of the year and only booted Windows twice since. Very few problems, less than with Windows before. (Used Arch.)
@@Sk4lli Arch was your first distro? Damn, you're tough. I only used Arch after using Ubuntu for a year (and spent most of my time toying around with commands.)
@@kosmasraptis8374 Yeah, it was a deliberate decision though. I thought, the best way to learn my way around the system is to install it by hand at least once. The Installation guide was really great, and while I really like Arch on my next computer I'll probably use Manjaro (based on Arch). Still no regrets, great system.
@Game Over yeah, I'm stuck with Manjaro on my desktop and very happy with it. The few problems that appear are usually in AURs or applications and not really connected to the OS. I've started using it on my work laptop too, curious how that goes. 😊
Dang, I always knew rendering on Windows was slower than linux due to driver access issues, but totally did not expect CPU intensive tasks to be hit that badly. Kudos for testing.
You've gotten so good in front of the camera and production man! Always had super helpful videos but I just noticed at some point over the years your production and showmanship has seriously grown natural. Hope you get a regular show / sponsors, you really earned it 👍
Linux is already compatible with a lot of hardwares even the latest (nvme, RTX, thunderbolt... ), also a lot of servers are running on Linux, as small devices like android smartphones, watches, routers, raspberry pies...
@@karlstein9572 I mean that hardware developers should support Linux directly (and with open-source drivers). I've had more than a few hardware issues that I'd like to see resolved, especially with audio hardware.
@@lalnuntluangachhakchhuak5767 Uhhh... no, installing Chrome is almost exactly the same as it is on Windows, you just go to the website and hit download. i think that there's one extra window that you have to deal with, but you just click one button. Anyway, people are growing up with computers now, computers shouldn't need to be made for people who don't know how to perform the most basic tasks.
Next year that Win7 support ends, I'm moving to Manjaro Linux. edit: Since a lot of people are still commenting under this one, I should update this by saying that I went from Manjaro to Artix to OpenSUSE to now Garuda.
why did u pick manjaro? I am also thinking about switching. But i rather chose fedora. Although, i will switch after doing some research about DESktop environments.
@@yash1152 I think you should pick what you like. I picked Manjaro as it's close having cutting edge and comes with AUR if I can't find software I need with out doing to much work.
@@yash1152 Last time I tried Fedora was close to 10 years ago, so I don't know what it's like now. I chose Manjaro because it's based on Arch (AUR ftw) but it's noob-friendly. It plays nice with basically all desktop environments (I pick KDE). You can switch kernels from a menu. It has a big community and extensive documentation.
@@samuelmema4514 Ubuntu will surely be more beginner-friendly. If you want something user-friendly based on Arch Linux, try Manjaro (I'm using that). Linux Mint (based on Ubuntu) is also very popular for regular users.
With Geek mentioning Candy Crush I decided to take a look in the installed programs list. Yes, that malware got reinstalled, I removed it again. I also removed Skype, no use for that. I prefer Linux and it is my main OS but for gaming I still depend on Windows, unfortunately.
@@fabiandrinksmilk6205 wanted to say that too. His comment is 2 years old. I hope his situation got better with the exceptional development on Proton. Especially with the upcoming Steam Deck that runs Linux. Also some hardware allow full GPU pass-through for VMs on Linux. So you can atleast just use that few windows-needy programs without going dual boot
I just went dual boot to Pop Os (Ubuntu) as a result of watching this video. I have to say, its borderline upsetting how much smoother the Blender experience is on Linux. Just about everything works faster and more reliably, even thing that you might not expect like addons, rigs, undo etc. It ends up being a more creatively impulsive experience overall as a result. Thanks for taking the time to do a deep dive that helps all of us make better decisions!
Being a beginner in Blender, I have to admit CG Geek is the best tutorial I have ever seen on any subject, and I have seen hundreds. Everything is coherent, in laymen terms, and easy to understand. On Microsoft Windows, the best tip I ever got was to get rid of it. I did! After a few months on MX Linux I have accomplish more than I ever did in 24 years with MS. No more annoying updates, activation, viruses, buying software, and the Windows help that never solves anything, etc... Thank you CG Geek for using the gift you have to articulate, and teach without the presumptuous nature that most of us, have had to put up with for years.
Why is it almost everyone on Linux seems to try to justify their decision to switch to Linux? Linux is my main daily driver work and I would never get the idea to recommend it for this kind of workload. The performance difference isn't between the operating systems per se, its in how the blender is compiled on both ends. I just tested Blender in WSL vs Linux native and it runs faster on WSL for me. With a very specific benchmark. Overall for my personal projects(lots of VRAM usage, more time spent in the actual render than in calculations on the CPU), Windows native seems to be faster, actually. But that might have to do with many things, none of which are even hinted at in this video. Blender settings, what you put in your frame, OS security settings, what kind of hardware you run, etc etc.
I’ve been a Windows user for years, and tried Linux on and off. Installed Manjaro and i love it! I noticed the transfer speeds for my SSDs and USB sticks were so much faster.
Manjaro is the best option in my opinion. (Especially if you are looking for a great gui environment in Linux.) Very clean, Very fast, and Very customizable.
@@pawelnachname7665 KDE customization is what kills KDE for me each time I try it out. And yes, it is about as heavy as Gnome, so no gain there compared to Gnome. Gnome are better configured to begin with. I don't have time for customize things. It should work resonable from start. That is why I stoped compiling my own kernel and software in Linux 10 years ago. Because then it wasn't worth the Pain to do that anymore. I want to use the computer, not tinker with installations to make it "optimized". But, whatever rock your boat, as long as it isn't MS Windows. 😜
@@AndersJackson You seem to have been around for a long time, which is why I appreciate your perspective. KDE used to be slow compared to GNOME and it needed lots of tweaking to get what you could call a sane UX. Now however Plasma is objectively faster/more efficient (try researching recent benchmarks), it is much more rliable due to its more sensible architecture (In gnome the desktop runs in only one process) and its defaults are very pleasant. So the past you has made correct observations, but the present you should try reevaluating.
No DirectX No Games no nothing , i use linux before not alot of apps here even i tested benchmark linux is abit slower than win . Normally Linux is meant for either servers or hackers.
@@Greetsfuckers-GamingMain well wine and lutris are pretty good for games. And for hackers? I study computer science and all the computers from my uni run linux, is just that much better for programing, just that.
@@Greetsfuckers-GamingMain The thing with linux is that it is not for everyone. If you felt it slower than windows you probably weren’t using it right. Windows is like an automatic SUV, linux is like a manual BMW M2. Linux is lighter, faster and more efficient but you need to know how to drive/handle it properly.
@@naws69 The fastest is the one you put together your own self obviously. Archlinux and Clear have both prerecompiled packages. I'd say Arch is better than clear, since it gives the user more choice. You choose all the packages yourself and doesn't come with Gnome or Xfce4 preinstalled. It's always better to make your "own" desktop environment. I just run Openbox, lxpanel, tilda, everything else I need I install when I need it. Anyway both use systemd though which is cluttered in itself. So if you don't want to get into it too deep I would recommend Voidlinux. Arch has the bigger community though and therefore more precompiled packages for you to choose, because of the Arch User Repository. Void is a lot smaller, though they package stuff for you if you ask them nicely, and they have a make your own package feature. Though if you do want to get all you can out of your machine there is no way around actually compiling everything yourself. So either go with Gentoo, where there is still a little hand holding, or LFS (Linux from scratch) where you only get a couple of pdf files to follow. Anyway, if all that is too much work for you, I'd say go with Manjaro. That's the simple man's Arch. It has the same packages since it's a fork but it's a lot easier to install. Not that Arch is that difficult. Was the one I started with and I had it running in a day. Now I need like half an hour, but that's because I can just copy over my config files to make it look the way I want without even touching any settings managers. Not that I'm installing Arch anymore these days. I too try to get away from systemd.
I left Windows completely back in 2014 and have not missed it at all! I use Ubuntu 18.04 and use DaVinci Resolve Studio, Blender, and Gimp(and other little apps) and have absolutely no need/want anymore for Windows or Adobe applications!!
@@aronseptianto8142 Absolutely! I used to use Premiere at my day job up until a couple months ago when we switched to Resolve. And one of the most frustrating things in Premiere was not being able to adjust the speed of a clip and stabilize. In Resolve this is not a problem. You can change the speed and stabilize all day and the stabilization is not only good it processes about twice as fast as Premiere as well.
Aron Septianto I’m a professional compositor and I was in Nuke and premiere until last month. Now switched back to Mac as I’m also a developer (VFX doesn’t earn as much and in as all Country there’s not enough work for full time). And my customer is moving a lot to Mac so I decided to go back. And I’ve been using Fusion both for VFX compositing and Editing and I love it. I have not yet installed Nuke on my Mac and I don’t think I’ll need it for my projects. Only for customer projects that are on a Nuke pipeline. I haven’t run it yet on Linux but I assume you’ll be fine as well. I do urge you to either get a blackmagic camera or buy the Davinci Resolve studio. As the studio version has Noise Reduction in grade and 3D tracker, planar tracker and more keying tools in Fusion. Although I did run in some bugs. I work in OCIO (Aces) and when I rendered out a proxy of a composite to speed up subsequent comping and imported it, it came with a curve on it (I assume 709). I couldn’t get it back to linear, so I disabled Aces in project settings and set it back to Davinci linear. So there’s some inconsistencies in OCIO between Davinci and Fusion. But yeah, I canceled my 10 year long adobe license.
@Premier Prep: You might switch from Gimp to Glimpse, because GIMP is a offense name for a programm :P I am highly anticipating the results of the Glimpse team compared to GIMP.
@@Cyanwasserstoff I have heard of the Glimpse fork and plan to switch if it shows to be just as functional and stable. Obviously it's a direct fork so I suspect it will be.
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There's more: Blender 2.8 will not work on Intel's HD3000 on Windows, but will run fine on Linux.
@@YoloMonstaaa Blender 2.8 requires at least OpenGL 3.3. Intel Windows driver is 3.2, thus incompatible, despite the hardware itself being 3.3-compliant. HD3000 Linux drivers implement OpenGL 3.3, so Blender 2.8 will run. macOS is also capable of running 2.8 in HD3000 hardware.
fair warning though. linux intel HD support isn't the best. I'm a linux goer myself but I prefer to stick with Nvidia or AMD dedicated graphics card then onboard graphics because of this issue.
@@CorvusNumber6 2.79 no big difference on any OS, 2.80 had major changes under the hood even performance is worse than 2.79 so who is to blame,? of course the ones writing blender's code, doesn't take a genius to figure that out .
@@xox8717 That's interesting - I've never used Blender before but I read (or watched?) somewhere about great speed improvements in 2.8 I suppose it should be possible to spot differences between Windows and Linux versions from the code base saying as it's FOSS. If what you're saying is correct, then the windows version should get the speed improvements in a future update. It still leaves the question though, of why some native windows software (read 'games' at the minute) runs faster under Linux. (Ie; The windows version running on Linux). Mind you, after working in Windows system support for 15 years, you soon realise what a badly designed, poorly implemented resource hog windows actually is.
@@xox8717 clickbait? well maybe a little. after all this youtube channel is his business, and you gotta make that revenue roll somehow. garbage? no haha, but i see your confusion. if i lived in a basement surrounded with twinkie wrappers i might also think everything my eyes see is garbage. but it's not, it's just you.
@@ginglyst Oh, Mac OS 9. What a treat that wasn't... Not so fond memories shows up. Like talking about MS Windows 98 or MS Windows ME. Hated ME, for real. Got me to uninstal MS Windows first time. Since then, that has worked each time I got me a new computer with MS Windows pre installed. 😜
oh and background telemetry is real, its what they replaced their QA staff with among other purposes. Barnacules has videos on the subject since its what he used to do at microsoft
@GamingTV As long as Microsoft continues to make useless OSes and being opposed to opensource... These troubles will continue... As for Linux, it will be the future...
@GamingTV the reason why it sucks is the property source, because since it is closed source and people are NOT allowed to fix any problems in the source, it becomes a bigger problem... If Microsoft had made Windows an opensource, I believe people would come and fix these software issues... Since it is closed, nobody can fix Windows 10 or other Window OSes... But people still can solve any software issues in Linux since it is opensource...
I'm not even a little bit surprised. I've used Linux exclusively for more than 10 years at home (and Arch Linux for 5 of those, which is leaner than Ubuntu), and just about everything is faster. I have Win 10 on an external USB 3 drive, and whilst slower drive access will explain some of the speed increase, it cannot possibly explain everything. And to address your final concerns, GIMP and Krita used for texture creation and post, DaVinci resolve for video editing in additiion to Blender gives a significant performance boost across the board.
Wacom tablets work great on Linux as well, in Gimp, MyPaint etc.. Linux these days makes a great Graphics Workstation.. I recommend Linux Mint (mate or cinnamon) for new users.
I tried using GIMP for a long time, but I couldn`t stand it. I`ve prefered Krita instead, even though it has some usability issues with the commands. For video editing, what about KdenLive? I've used a few times and found great.
I learned this today after switching to a higher resolution ultra wide. I started noticing that blender was crashing while watching RUclips videos and trying to do real-time rendering, so just out of curiosity, I switched to my Lennox partition, my primary OS, and started using blender and it worked perfectly, even faster. So I had to check what was going on. I've always done all my 3D work on windows because all my applications are on there, and I was under the assumption that Windows perform better for 3D applications, but wow!
I originally switched to linux when I was in 4th grade because I read on a minecraft forum that Ubuntu would run it at double the fps. I didn't know what ubuntu was but it had an exe installer back then and ofc I wiped windows by installing it to my C: drive since that's what I did for every program, but it was well worth it on my crappy 10 year old laptop
@Zinogg Nvidia and Amd support on linux is okey as much as on Windows. Did you know some *popular* games much better on linux? And Windows literally sucks. They do not even respect your privacy for money
Based on your result, I guess the windows build of blender has some issues with optimization on CPU part. Maybe a local build would be faster ( just like pypi build of tensorflow does not have AVX2 enabled)
I gave this a try with my system that has a Xeon 8160 (has AVX2, AVX512, etc.). It took forever to build, and it's 2.81 alpha, but I did run a couple of benchmarks to see if it was faster. On my system, at least, I had a gain of 2.4% on barbershop and
So, besides all the continual registry tweaks and other continual faffing around, you are now recommending that Windows users have to build their own software as well? This is why the saying goes, Windows is great if your time is worth nothing ...
It's probably because they have to put an extra abstraction layer to make it portable, so windows can pretend to look like linux to blender. It could go the other way around, for example if a game was written in windows and later ported to linux, but I'm guessing it's just that the devs wrote it like a linux program.
Hi, a year has passed since this video has been published. I wonder if you would like to do this Linux vs Windows comparison again now with Blender LTS and/or the latest stable release! I mean, 2.80 was kinda "not completed" and there are so many things were missing compared to 2.79 since it was kinda rewritten/ refactored. I'd love to see you do this comparison again in near future. Keep up the good work!
I loaded up Ubuntu and Blender 2.91 recently on my ancient PC 4930k 32GB ram AMD 5700XT. After getting OpenCL to work on Ubuntu 20.04 I found no significant difference in GPU render speeds for benchmark files... Compared Ubuntu 20.04 vs Windows 10 Pro 20H2. With Windows 10 given me slight faster renders so far. I am guessing perhaps speed differences are more apparent when using Nvidia GPU... Once PC parts stocks return to more normal levels I am updating my PC as some of my Sabertooth X79 motherboard Ram slots give me RAM errors and windows black screen lock ups. If only the large render farms and crypto miners would let us other users have some GPU cards!
Funny how a system made mainly by crowdsourcing work, i.e. by random hackers throwing their code at Linux and have some of it accepted, is just better than Windows, made by a huge organized corporation with a lot of employees paid specifically to work on it.
I've been using Ubuntu Studio for over a couple of years now, it's basically just Ubuntu with xfce and a low latency kernel (great for recording music), plus some extra software pre installed. Nothing special, it's just ubuntu, but still very nice.
For long windows users I would suggest to try various linux distributions in "live" mode (without installing them) to see how the default config of desktop feels to you (and how well it works with your HW by default), I would for example expect "Kubuntu" to feel lot more familiar to windows users than Ubuntu. (if you already installed some distro and now you think some other would be better, usually any distro can be reconfigured into similar state like other has default, i.e. it's possible to install also KDE5 desktop environment into regular Ubuntu, although then there may be few artefacts like having several text editors installed, etc.. which can be resolved by further customization and configuration of course... and usually it's no big deal to live with those artefacts for some time. And then I would suggest to reinstall whole linux after 2-5 years from scratch, the upgrades between versions usually work very well, but there's still some "cruft" accumulating in old config files, etc... Ideally if you buy new HW and run it in parallel with old, so you can slowly migrate.) To OP: same goes with going from Ubuntu to Ubuntu Studio, if you know you want to reinstall the box any way, you can first try to install package like `ubuntustudio-desktop` and its dependencies, low latency kernel, etc.. and you will theoretically end with Ubuntu Studio. Then you can check about those artefacts I'm mentioning above, maybe it will work good enough to avoid reinstall. Although fresh start with new knowledge about linux, allowing you to partition disks and config the install more in your favour is for me personally always interesting option. I did notice the upgraded/reconfigured machines after few years tend to be in tiny bit less consistent state than fresh install, most of the time it's not like having some faults or issues, but booting+login into desktop may take like half a second more, etc...
I've used primarily Linux for the past 8 or 9 years. Every once in a while I switch back to windows and within a week or so I give up on windows and go back to Linux. It's just so much snappier all around. And now with Proton on Steam, 99% of the games I play are available on Linux so there really is no reason for Windows at all
@@GaelPrado It's Steam's modified version of wine on Linux. Basically it allows games designed for Windows to be played on Linux. It is installed with Steam.
I've been using Linux forever and I've noticed Blender is a bit faster and crashes less on Linux. But these benchmarks just blow my mind, man! It must be the 2.80, because I'm sure previously the difference wasn't that huge (I think Andrew Price used to do some benchmarks). You're right, every Blender user should see this video, and also every tutorial maker, because it's been always nagging me a bit that they nearly all use Windows and complain of the lags and crashes as being part of the Blender experience (which was very rarely my experience).
Davinci Resolve runs well on my Ubuntu, making use of both, cpu and gpu when rendering. Very fast and snappy. Gimp has improved much recently too, now offering more gpu supported filters and functions.
Disclaimer I am a open source dev. I was a bit sceptical about this video. Windows very optimized for nvidia. Linux is a bit behind in nvidia drivers. Using bloated ubuntu but fair beginner OS with older kernel? I am very surprised with the result. Thanks to the content creator for his time and effort. For me this a great win for the open source community. We need to attract more creators to our platform.
Yes, I also expected graphics performance to be slightly higher on Windows. I was really surprised by the speed differences in CPU rendering, seems like the Blender developers only optimize their software for Linux and also made a bad choice for the Windows compiler. The difference really shouldn't be that big. Not that I would really care, I run Blender on Arch Linux.
@@uzefulvideos3440 Or Windows is just terrible and Linux is superior. As you should know, Linux is able to run games faster than Windows even when its not native to Linux.
It's been known for a long time that Linux has much better memory management than other OSes. Back in the 2000s, some people found that running World of Warcraft under Wine on Linux gave you a few extra FPS than on Windows. Good to see this backed up with some evidence that is accessible and easy for the public to understand. Good job.
@@Luxalpa really? do you have examples? I mean yes it's totally true when you speak of games, because mostly those are crappy ports or need sth like DXVK or wine in order to run but at least for me, production software like Davinci Resolve runs faster on linux, not by that big margin like blender though (it's ~10-15%)
Solid results. I've done the same analysis and did in fact throw out Windows just after Win 10 started infecting the world. I's really is hard to understand why companies won't support Linux better. Write for Linux, port to Windows is such a killer choice!!! ... and I'm saying that as a SW-engineer/-architect with 35+ years of experience of both platforms.
I've been wanting to switch to linux and think it's definitely the superior operating system, but the only thing holding me back is my specific monitor configuration and VR. I have 1 monitor on my 2070, 3 on my 970 and one on my iGPU. Trying to get this specific setup running under linux with proprietary drivers was less than feasible for me. But if I solved those two specific problems I'd be perfectly fine. Any tips?
@@rileyguy5892 I've had plenty of configurations but not exactly yours. I don't know where your specific config fails, but in general I think long-term. Switching may sometimes invalidate prior choices. But long term it's not the most important issue. There are always solutions.Early days with Linux (decades ago) this may not have been true, but today I always get it working if I build the system for running Linux, and with MUCH less fuzz.
Thanks. Never liked Apple so I've been with Windows from the beginning. But, the more I experience 'allergic reactions' to Win10 'updates' and the more I learn about MS business practices in general (intentionally monopolistic) the less I like them.
Windows 10 by default has too many stuff running on the background,, and add to it that most of the blender developers they code on linux too. So kinda expected.
Steve, I have to make this remark (it's my pet peeve). The singular of "vertices" is "vertex". As well as switching to Linux, tutorial makers should switch to the correct form of this word :-)
Pawelices, pedantic commenters sweating the small stuff is a pet peeve of mine. ;) When spoken - "Vertice" (sounded as Verticee, no 's' at end), as well as "Vertice" (sounded Vertiss - no eee) - many of us use either to refer to a singular vertex, among other vertices. Also, yes, sometimes used to mean a vertex, singular or singular among others. Language is not static, it's this kind of thing that is an example of how words are dynamic and not limited to academic renderings of "correct" usage. The reality is, it works, or it wouldn't be so common in tutorials, and frankly, common in the spoken vernacular among us in the trenches. If the teammate I'm talking with tried to correct me on this one, I'd be hard fit not to want to smack him for wasting both our time and focus on production stunting minutia. :)
It would be interesting to see some results between different Linux Distributions, while Canonical has helped bring a lot of interest to Linux as a whole, but honestly Ubuntu is one of the most bloated of the Distro's out there, but in saying that, what Canonical has added has made getting a start into Linux a lot easier. I've never actually used any Adobe products (except Acrobat Reader, and even that is only on my phone), so you can certainly get away from using Adobe, it's only a learning curve.
You are on a Windows mindset here. On Linux, bloat is mostly just used disk space. In this kind of workloads, it doesn't really matter much. All Linux distros run basically the same amount of services/daemons in the background.
@@framegrace1 Trust me, no I'm not. I've been an IT Tech for over 25 years, in that time I've tried my hand at many Distro's, currently using Mint Debian Edition, I haven't touched Microsoft products for at least 10 years apart from helping someone with an issue, or wiping it off a preinstalled new system. If you look more closely at Distro's like Ubuntu they run background services to help the user experience, which in of itself isn't totally a bad thing if it helps more user get into using Linux, but it does run more services, and as most experienced users know, more services means the system is spending time doing more processing, hence bloat.
From my experience from rendering for a long time on Linux with Blender: Linux is put together pretty much the same on all Linux Distros, you will not find any significant preformance difference between different Distros, not on powerful hardware, which, BTW, you will need anyway for using Blender for rendering.
Anyone that has to render 3D animation videos, doing it in linux will be a big advantage, i mean just calculate saving that percentage per render... It´s a big chunk of time saved. Thanks for the video. Have to install a version of ubuntu and test this with my rig to see if I have better performance like you had.
As far as I know, Linux is MUCH better at managing it's memory and data storage than Windows is. It's used by technicians, engineers, scientists and the like, because it's so much more efficient and not to mention stable than Windows.
Nah it's just Blender devs don't give a shit about Windows developement like any FOSS fanatics so they're to blame not the OS , it has been like this for many years.
There are reasons why the world's supercomputers and data centers use the Linux kernel: It's faster, scalable, open source, and FASTER. There are reasons why the world's personal computers still use Windows: It's installed by default, has the majority of market share (for now), and consumer level applications follow the market. Oh and Microsoft
I'm one of these engineers. I got fed up with Windows and the bloated crap it was in 2006 and switched to Debian. So much nicer and more reliable ever since. I have never regretted the change and now see that I knew long ago what people are realizing just now.
@@aloiskleinestier1848 I am also one of those computer users that ditched MS Windows ME when it ruined my Redhat installation the second time. Used and administrating computers professionally of different brands and os:es since 1984. All from huge multi user computers with up to a couple of 100 simultanious usesr down to MS DOS and 8 bit singel user systems. MS Windows never been any good, tecnically. Except for NT, which they changed into worse with each update. Personally I have uninstalled MS Windows since 2000 and professionally not used M S Windows on my work machine since 2002, or something. Used Sun and SGI workstations before that.
I used to work for PC Magazine and we had a camera that did 100fps and simply recorded the screen for times. This was recorded on to a Pro S-VHS rack mounted deck. The crucial thing was being able to skip and shuttle back and forth to find the start and end frames like you can no in any NLE.
Maybe I'm not understanding you correctly but...any NLE can do exactly that...if it has trouble doing so, it's probably working with a LONG-Gop videoformat which is known to be a resource and time hog due to how the codec works at the decompression stage.
Just imagine the increase if you were using one of the lighter Ubuntu Flavors such as Xubuntu (XFCE) or Lubuntu (LXQT) which is slowly becoming my favorite desktop environment for Linux. LXQT feels like a light version of PLASMA. Gnome on the other hand is more resource heavy compared to the other desktop options like, Mate, XFCE, LXQT, or a Plain Window Manager. This is a great video idea which gives me the idea to do a test like this for Audio using Avid’s Pro Tools. Granted most Modern OS’s with even low specs can chew through large mixing sessions with 100 tracks or more even on a laptop but, I think this has inspired me to give it a shot! Great video and thanks for the idea!
If you want a lot of stuff switched off in Windows, then get Spybot Anti-Beacon. It will stop Win10 from sending your information back to MS and a host of other stuff. It use to be free, but I think it may not be now. By the way, great video. Linux is very process efficient and also, Nvidia have really stepped up on Linux drivers. It would have been interesting to see how AMD Radeon ProRender would have coped with render times. Anyway, keep up the great work.
OpenGL on Windows is wayyy heavier. Winsh*t have all sorts of services in the background, spys etc... as you said. You want to be even more shocked ? Use Manjaro to be able to use the latest Kernel, video drivers, Xorg, etc... And no need to upgrade distribution every 6 months (don"t worry it's not bare Arch son you won't have unstable stuff). Super simple and you have everything you need with last functionalities (unlike Ubuntu). I'm working with Blender, Gimp+G'MIC, Unreal Engine 4. I switched from Ubuntu to Manjaro two months ago to have better updates. No matter what distribution you are using, folks : get out of Winthing world ! Bienvenue dans le monde libre ! 😉
I've recently decided to run linux primarily on my main system. I still have Windows installed for the things I can't do on linux (certain games). I've been running linux exclusively on my laptop for over a year now and I haven't turned back there. (save for a VM.) I'm running Pop!_OS which has been pretty nice so far. 19.04 on my laptop and 18.04 on my Desktop.
Ive been getting similar improvements with houdini. Also in terms of ram ive had sims eating up all 128gb on Windows where the same sim peaked at 70gb on Linux.
Given the simulations are (i would expect) compute-bound (and single-threaded, IIRC), it sounds like the 2.80 Windows release of blender is not optimized for your specific CPU and the Linux version is fetching a build for your specific CPU.
This matches my experience, though I don't use Blender much. This was particularly noticeable for the original Quake back when Win95 was required to play over network. The Linux port was noticeably faster. I've been gaming on Linux ever since and everytime we switched to Windows for testing it's been dog slow. I can't imagine anyone having a good gaming experience on Windows.
@@crisgriffin3042 The original Quake was NOT written in OGL, it was software rendered and it was awesome. There is GLQuake, but that came from after the source release.
I had a dark history with windows in the early days (3.1 into others) and in 1996 I found linux, I must have told of the virtues of the platform a lot, because my mom, not knowing anything about computers got me a shirt, that read (yes it is dated) "Linux for Servers - Macintosh for Graphics - Palm for Mobility - Windows for Solitaire", however linux/unix variants dominated the server market (still does I believe), long ago I had the argument that it was a completely viable, stable, and often times more stable desktop platform, still a good alternative for so many things!
Michael Pernicka NONE of the Top 500 supercomputers in the world use Windows. _LOL._ * www.top500.org/statistics/details/osfam/1 Linux runs on more then two BILLION devices via Android. MS had a ~20 year head start with WinCE and they _still_ couldn't compete. LOL. Even Azure, MS cloud, runs on ~50% Linux! _LOL._ * www.zdnet.com/article/linux-now-dominates-azure/ Windows is entrenched on the desktop because most people don't know any better, to afraid to change, or their apps just aren't available on Linux/Mac. Windows 10 even has a WSL (Windows Sub-system for Linux). I wouldn't be surprised to see "Winux" _another_ MS linux in 20 years. (They already tried their own Unix, Xenix, ~40 years ago.) * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenix
@@khaled.aldajani it seems intresting to me. i hadnt heard its name before and i was searching for an arch based distro with that features for a while. thank you for introducing it.
Another important point is that Ubuntu (and most other distros) use ext4 for your partition. This, compared to windows ntfs, speeds loading times in programs and copying of files. In my experience spinning disks get actually a good boost by this f.e. when you load into games.
I figured out a powerful EEVEE render settings trick just yesterday. It solved my PC freezing issues while attempting to create a animation render of any sort. Will toss up a video on it soon. Thanks Mike for all of your tests you've made. I gotta purchase me a new machine soon to ever get to performance levels that are optimal. My gaming PC truly sucks. What did you set the Render value at for your EEVEE renders? It matters when it comes to render time for sure especially using EEVEE for animations.
On one hand, Linux programmers payed way more attention to performance, but on the other hand, blender developers probably use Linux and optimization is thus based on Linux systems.
One of the main differences with speed is probably due to Linux being priority number one on the Blender dev team with Windows being number two or three depending on where Mac sits.
You could see Blender becoming pretty much unworkable at 2 million for sculpting. Zbrush can eat that shit up like breakfast, it doesn't break a sweat on my pc even until 10 to 20 million, this is the one major thing holding back sculpting in Blender imo and Pablo Dobarro knows this and is hoping to fix somehow.
Yash Pal Goyal *GCC* = Gnu compiler collection (open source) *clang* = another popular compiler (open source) *MSVC* = Microsoft's proprietary closed source Visual C++ compiler There are endless debates on the quality of code produced by the various compilers. In some tests msvc is faster other times gcc is faster. It really depends on what you are compiling.
It will probably be extremely simmilar, contrary to popular rumors and such, linux is linux, the difference is barely noticable ;) Exept for source-based distros like Gentoo or some optimised stuff like Clear Linux for intel hardware ofc haha
Linux has the defacto standard in ALL of computing since the early 2000s with one exception: consumer grade desktops. This too will change, it just took a bit longer.
Because Linux is still too "technical" for average consumer, and gets long time to get used to. The whole different ecosystem and logic, and ways to do things. Like, you have to know exactly what you need to do, otherwise you won't find it on your own. Thats why MacOS is so popular as "people-friendly Unix", because you can switch on it from Windows in less than a day, gaining all Unix performance boost, sacrificing only few hotkeys and window buttons on the left instead of right.
@@crisgriffin3042 It's not too technical. You just can't change it. I've tried a bunch of times to switch to Ubuntu for desktop. As soon as you start changing things and adding and removing stuff things start going wrong and it's not too long after that that it all just goes to hell and the only solution is to burn it down and start over.
@@Alacritous that might mean you don't have enough experience to know what you should and shouldn't do in linux. I also 'broke' the OS multiple times because I didn't know what not to do. Now I have more experience, I'm way more confident about solving problems that I considered unfixable before. Also you will learn to solve problems yourself instead of having to search it on google everytime if you keep using linux.
@@elfferich1212 I do know quite a bit. But most importantly, I know what not to screw with. But that's kind of my point. Anyone coming into Linux from the Windows world doesn't want to have to worry about things like that. They want it to work. Windows works. Linux shits itself if you look at it wrong. And when it does, the only remedy is to wipe and reinstall. There's no repair mechanism like SFC or DISM in windows. Ubuntu, for example, is perfectly fine if all you do is open LibreOffice and check email in the browser. If you start installing stuff that isn't on the first page of the Ubuntu software manager, you're rolling the dice.
@@Alacritous what the f*ck are you installing then? I'm here on Manjaro Linux, I can install and uninstall stuff as I like, as far as it's not dependencies (that will not work unless you also uninstall everything dependant on it) nothing bad will happen. And apparently you don't have much experience with Ubuntu or other distros, in 95% of places you can just install the distro over your current install, it'll replace most of your system stuff without even touching user files.
I'm using Linux and got away completely from windows, just had enough of the windows Mac debate and paying a premium for everything, the fact that blender runs better and smoother is a testament to Linux. Yes, you can go without Adobe etc.. have to be willing to. It's too easy to say i can't get away from Adobe. the programs may not have everything you had with adobe, but it does not mean you cannot find a way around it or do it differently, that is how mediocrity continues and monopolies continue, the incremental versus supporting something like Krita or any other app to do what you need will be far more rewarding than simply putting up with Microsoft, Apple, Adobe, Autodesk etc etc...
Unfortunately if you collaborate with other studios/agencies you just need to have Photoshop. They expect PSD files from you and send you PSD files, really complex one that any kind of converting will not work. I am 8+ years Linux user and this is problem from day one. Sole reason why I still have laptop with Windows installed.
@@webworkman unfortunately this is the case yes, if this is your business goal then absolutely, if it's not then, there is nothing stopping you from changing or or doing things differently. Everyone assumes that business and fitting in to some pre existing pipeline is the only way.
I love Linux, i use Mint 19.2, but there is one big minus with Linux, and it is the hardware tools. I have a Huion Kamvas Gt-156dv2 to draw, but i can't get any Driver to use on Linux. So i am still stuck with my Windows 7 to draw until January, still not sure if i want to buy Windows 10, i hope the company who make drawing Tablets will awake and do drivers for Linux Users.
Not sure what the name is anymore, but there’s community made tablet drivers for all the Chinese tablets out there - worked great for me with a recent Huion
Can confirm this even in a core 2 duo, in Windows it crashes immediately when rendering any scene (even the default cube), but it renders no problems in Ubuntu 20.04, i was able to render bit complex scenes without any problem as well.
Been using Linux since years now, tried out Blender a few months ago and it was to fast :D 100% CPU usage, on every core and I could still use everything :)
@@onesandzeroes first of all I couldn't get it to give all the performance to Blender, at least not on Win7. Second problem was, that everything was laggy, the whole desktop, etc. Sure, if I open Chrome on any of these, they'll either lag or steal performance from Blender and give it to Chrome. But like said, I could use the rest of Linux without problems :)
@@Fabian-_- I'm asking because I use Linux and I can also render 100% without any lags, but I didn't know you couldn't do that on Windows. It doesn't surprise me though :)
The result on this vid is right. For Blender runs faster on Linux than Windows. Here's my result of "Spring" benchmarks ( see 05:50 on this video ) with my Ryzen3700X / RTX2060 SUPER. (CPU rendering) Windows 10 : 14 min 32 sec Ubuntu 20.04 : 08 min 55 sec Pop!_OS 20.10 : 07 min 51 sec (GPU rendering) Pop!_OS 20.10 : 04 min 54 sec Appoximately same with with Windows 10 + TITAN RTX result in this video ( 06:50 ), even with my weaker 2060 SUPER.
Manjaro might be even faster than Ubuntu. Nuke runs on Linux, but you could also try Natron instead of Nuke, as Natron is free. Likewise, try Krita instead of Photoshop. Try KDEnlive instead of After Effects. The free options do entail some sacrifices, and actually some advantages, although I think both Adobe products can run under WINE on Linux.
well.. I can see many asking Microsoft to justify this result which is a valid point.. but poor dude couldn't even give a proper reason why Internet Explorer was slow all these years.. BTW I'm a Houdini artist and I'm already hearing a lot from Houdini community about how fast Houdini runs on Linux.. I got my eyes fixed on PopOS now..
@@johnmetro20 it's available on Linux. Do try it. I'm hearing a lot of performance difference when compared to running it on Windows. I'm planning to shift to Linux.
Im dualbooting my PC with Linux/windows. It works great now but to be honest the setup was a very time consuming process. For Ubuntu alone it was also a bit of a hassle. But in the end it’s working great.
I'm seriously considering switching, since windows 7 support ends in January. I do not like windows 10. Might have to dual-boot though since I do have some windows games and things. I'm not sure how risky this is as I don't really want to reinstall windows 7
They was used out of the box experiance. One should not need to do that. There are other similar optimizations one can do with Linux. One should not need to, though. 😜
@cg geek Just out of curiosity , would that speed difference be the same on a 25frms render ? would it matter if it the scene is dynamic and not with static objects ? I am talking about the start phase that seems to be the issue , if you remove that from both the result is more or less the same . For my case (linux centos) I will like to use blender as an atmospheric (stuff) generator for comp stuff . And my software of choice is better in Linux than Mac . It's not in PC so I have to swap back n forth with C4D/Arnold as it is my main tool .
The problem is Linux doesn't have Nvidia OptiX. That technology is superfast (more than conventional CUDA) and only supported on Windows, as far as I know
After watching this, I immediately downloaded Linux and start playing with it. New era starting, thanks.
Would be curious how your experiences have been. I switched to Linux full time at home at the beginning of the year and only booted Windows twice since. Very few problems, less than with Windows before. (Used Arch.)
@@Sk4lli Arch was your first distro? Damn, you're tough. I only used Arch after using Ubuntu for a year (and spent most of my time toying around with commands.)
@@kosmasraptis8374 Yeah, it was a deliberate decision though. I thought, the best way to learn my way around the system is to install it by hand at least once. The Installation guide was really great, and while I really like Arch on my next computer I'll probably use Manjaro (based on Arch). Still no regrets, great system.
@Game Over yeah, I'm stuck with Manjaro on my desktop and very happy with it. The few problems that appear are usually in AURs or applications and not really connected to the OS.
I've started using it on my work laptop too, curious how that goes. 😊
@@Sk4lli depends what you do for work 😂
Dang, I always knew rendering on Windows was slower than linux due to driver access issues, but totally did not expect CPU intensive tasks to be hit that badly. Kudos for testing.
You've gotten so good in front of the camera and production man! Always had super helpful videos but I just noticed at some point over the years your production and showmanship has seriously grown natural. Hope you get a regular show / sponsors, you really earned it 👍
Hardware and software developers REALLY need to start building their products around Linux, it's time to put an end to the Windows/Mac duopoly.
Linux is already compatible with a lot of hardwares even the latest (nvme, RTX, thunderbolt... ), also a lot of servers are running on Linux, as small devices like android smartphones, watches, routers, raspberry pies...
@@karlstein9572 I mean that hardware developers should support Linux directly (and with open-source drivers). I've had more than a few hardware issues that I'd like to see resolved, especially with audio hardware.
Linux is still horrible for non tech people. Doing simple task like installing chrome or any other apps are quite unintuitive
@@lalnuntluangachhakchhuak5767 Uhhh... no, installing Chrome is almost exactly the same as it is on Windows, you just go to the website and hit download. i think that there's one extra window that you have to deal with, but you just click one button. Anyway, people are growing up with computers now, computers shouldn't need to be made for people who don't know how to perform the most basic tasks.
@@PistonAvatarGuy I need to use dpkg -i command last time I installed chrome.
Next year that Win7 support ends, I'm moving to Manjaro Linux.
edit: Since a lot of people are still commenting under this one, I should update this by saying that I went from Manjaro to Artix to OpenSUSE to now Garuda.
Good pick.
why did u pick manjaro? I am also thinking about switching. But i rather chose fedora. Although, i will switch after doing some research about DESktop environments.
@@yash1152 I think you should pick what you like. I picked Manjaro as it's close having cutting edge and comes with AUR if I can't find software I need with out doing to much work.
@@yash1152 Last time I tried Fedora was close to 10 years ago, so I don't know what it's like now. I chose Manjaro because it's based on Arch (AUR ftw) but it's noob-friendly. It plays nice with basically all desktop environments (I pick KDE). You can switch kernels from a menu. It has a big community and extensive documentation.
Good
The first step I do when I install WIndows 10
"Uninstall Candy Crush"
The first step I do when I buy a laptop with Windows 10.
I uninstall it. :)
The first step I do when I install WIndows 10
"Use the computer."
Said to read, it's like buying a car and uninstalling a homeless person that lives in your car.
@@EdLrandom lmao!!
WTH! It's true. I have it and didn't even know.
I am thinking of switching to Linux so this is perfect timing
If you need any help be sure to check out the archwiki:
wiki.archlinux.org/
It's pretty helpful even if you don't use Arch Linux or its derivatives
@@mikailkhan9166 thanks a lot
i am getting into programming too (learned c++) soon will start with blender scripts
@UCqCR4xCX6pz9xi3eMuw3QvQ isnt ubuntu better or is it just more popular?
@@samuelmema4514 Ubuntu will surely be more beginner-friendly. If you want something user-friendly based on Arch Linux, try Manjaro (I'm using that). Linux Mint (based on Ubuntu) is also very popular for regular users.
The speed of Linux goes to infinity, when windows 10 update kills your computer.
With Geek mentioning Candy Crush I decided to take a look in the installed programs list. Yes, that malware got reinstalled, I removed it again. I also removed Skype, no use for that. I prefer Linux and it is my main OS but for gaming I still depend on Windows, unfortunately.
Hope steam proton can help!
@@fabiandrinksmilk6205 wanted to say that too. His comment is 2 years old. I hope his situation got better with the exceptional development on Proton. Especially with the upcoming Steam Deck that runs Linux.
Also some hardware allow full GPU pass-through for VMs on Linux. So you can atleast just use that few windows-needy programs without going dual boot
Thumbs up for all the work you put into making this video. Thanks. Very interesting results.
I just went dual boot to Pop Os (Ubuntu) as a result of watching this video. I have to say, its borderline upsetting how much smoother the Blender experience is on Linux. Just about everything works faster and more reliably, even thing that you might not expect like addons, rigs, undo etc. It ends up being a more creatively impulsive experience overall as a result. Thanks for taking the time to do a deep dive that helps all of us make better decisions!
Being a beginner in Blender, I have to admit CG Geek is the best tutorial I have ever seen on any subject, and I have seen hundreds. Everything is coherent, in laymen terms, and easy to understand. On Microsoft Windows, the best tip I ever got was to get rid of it. I did! After a few months on MX Linux I have accomplish more than I ever did in 24 years with MS. No more annoying updates, activation, viruses, buying software, and the Windows help that never solves anything, etc... Thank you CG Geek for using the gift you have to articulate, and teach without the presumptuous nature that most of us, have had to put up with for years.
Why is it almost everyone on Linux seems to try to justify their decision to switch to Linux? Linux is my main daily driver work and I would never get the idea to recommend it for this kind of workload. The performance difference isn't between the operating systems per se, its in how the blender is compiled on both ends. I just tested Blender in WSL vs Linux native and it runs faster on WSL for me. With a very specific benchmark. Overall for my personal projects(lots of VRAM usage, more time spent in the actual render than in calculations on the CPU), Windows native seems to be faster, actually. But that might have to do with many things, none of which are even hinted at in this video. Blender settings, what you put in your frame, OS security settings, what kind of hardware you run, etc etc.
I’ve been a Windows user for years, and tried Linux on and off. Installed Manjaro and i love it! I noticed the transfer speeds for my SSDs and USB sticks were so much faster.
Manjaro is the best option in my opinion. (Especially if you are looking for a great gui environment in Linux.) Very clean, Very fast, and Very customizable.
If you want customizable, it needs to be Manjaro KDE edition though.
Oh, I didn’t know that. I’ll check it out in a VM.
@@pawelnachname7665 KDE customization is what kills KDE for me each time I try it out. And yes, it is about as heavy as Gnome, so no gain there compared to Gnome.
Gnome are better configured to begin with. I don't have time for customize things. It should work resonable from start. That is why I stoped compiling my own kernel and software in Linux 10 years ago. Because then it wasn't worth the Pain to do that anymore. I want to use the computer, not tinker with installations to make it "optimized".
But, whatever rock your boat, as long as it isn't MS Windows. 😜
@@AndersJackson You seem to have been around for a long time, which is why I appreciate your perspective. KDE used to be slow compared to GNOME and it needed lots of tweaking to get what you could call a sane UX. Now however Plasma is objectively faster/more efficient (try researching recent benchmarks), it is much more rliable due to its more sensible architecture (In gnome the desktop runs in only one process) and its defaults are very pleasant. So the past you has made correct observations, but the present you should try reevaluating.
Linux is great! It's snappier, doesn't have the obscure processes Windows has. We can change the world together for good! #SwitchToLinux
Yeah we can change the world for good
No DirectX No Games no nothing , i use linux before not alot of apps here even i tested benchmark linux is abit slower than win . Normally Linux is meant for either servers or hackers.
@@Greetsfuckers-GamingMain well wine and lutris are pretty good for games. And for hackers? I study computer science and all the computers from my uni run linux, is just that much better for programing, just that.
@@Greetsfuckers-GamingMain No games? You've clearly *never* used Linux.
@@Greetsfuckers-GamingMain The thing with linux is that it is not for everyone. If you felt it slower than windows you probably weren’t using it right. Windows is like an automatic SUV, linux is like a manual BMW M2. Linux is lighter, faster and more efficient but you need to know how to drive/handle it properly.
And Ubuntu isn't even the fastest distribution of Linux.
ClearLinux is ready to zooooom
Which one is the fastest
Edit: Thanks everyone for the suggestions
@@naws69 ClearLinux or Arch probably. That's desktop Linux at least. ClearLinux is only for Intel hardware though.
@@naws69 The fastest is the one you put together your own self obviously. Archlinux and Clear have both prerecompiled packages. I'd say Arch is better than clear, since it gives the user more choice. You choose all the packages yourself and doesn't come with Gnome or Xfce4 preinstalled. It's always better to make your "own" desktop environment. I just run Openbox, lxpanel, tilda, everything else I need I install when I need it. Anyway both use systemd though which is cluttered in itself. So if you don't want to get into it too deep I would recommend Voidlinux. Arch has the bigger community though and therefore more precompiled packages for you to choose, because of the Arch User Repository. Void is a lot smaller, though they package stuff for you if you ask them nicely, and they have a make your own package feature.
Though if you do want to get all you can out of your machine there is no way around actually compiling everything yourself. So either go with Gentoo, where there is still a little hand holding, or LFS (Linux from scratch) where you only get a couple of pdf files to follow.
Anyway, if all that is too much work for you, I'd say go with Manjaro. That's the simple man's Arch. It has the same packages since it's a fork but it's a lot easier to install. Not that Arch is that difficult. Was the one I started with and I had it running in a day. Now I need like half an hour, but that's because I can just copy over my config files to make it look the way I want without even touching any settings managers. Not that I'm installing Arch anymore these days. I too try to get away from systemd.
@@callisoncaffrey
Thanks bruh
I left Windows completely back in 2014 and have not missed it at all! I use Ubuntu 18.04 and use DaVinci Resolve Studio, Blender, and Gimp(and other little apps) and have absolutely no need/want anymore for Windows or Adobe applications!!
I'm considering davinci resolve is it any good?
Compared to premiere
Especially the stabilisation?
@@aronseptianto8142 Absolutely! I used to use Premiere at my day job up until a couple months ago when we switched to Resolve. And one of the most frustrating things in Premiere was not being able to adjust the speed of a clip and stabilize. In Resolve this is not a problem. You can change the speed and stabilize all day and the stabilization is not only good it processes about twice as fast as Premiere as well.
Aron Septianto I’m a professional compositor and I was in Nuke and premiere until last month. Now switched back to Mac as I’m also a developer (VFX doesn’t earn as much and in as all Country there’s not enough work for full time). And my customer is moving a lot to Mac so I decided to go back. And I’ve been using Fusion both for VFX compositing and Editing and I love it. I have not yet installed Nuke on my Mac and I don’t think I’ll need it for my projects. Only for customer projects that are on a Nuke pipeline.
I haven’t run it yet on Linux but I assume you’ll be fine as well.
I do urge you to either get a blackmagic camera or buy the Davinci Resolve studio. As the studio version has Noise Reduction in grade and 3D tracker, planar tracker and more keying tools in Fusion.
Although I did run in some bugs. I work in OCIO (Aces) and when I rendered out a proxy of a composite to speed up subsequent comping and imported it, it came with a curve on it (I assume 709). I couldn’t get it back to linear, so I disabled Aces in project settings and set it back to Davinci linear. So there’s some inconsistencies in OCIO between Davinci and Fusion.
But yeah, I canceled my 10 year long adobe license.
@Premier Prep: You might switch from Gimp to Glimpse, because GIMP is a offense name for a programm :P I am highly anticipating the results of the Glimpse team compared to GIMP.
@@Cyanwasserstoff I have heard of the Glimpse fork and plan to switch if it shows to be just as functional and stable. Obviously it's a direct fork so I suspect it will be.
There's more: Blender 2.8 will not work on Intel's HD3000 on Windows, but will run fine on Linux.
Cláudio Pinheiro why's that?
@@YoloMonstaaa Blender 2.8 requires at least OpenGL 3.3. Intel Windows driver is 3.2, thus incompatible, despite the hardware itself being 3.3-compliant. HD3000 Linux drivers implement OpenGL 3.3, so Blender 2.8 will run. macOS is also capable of running 2.8 in HD3000 hardware.
Well, with that GPU you can't do much nonetheless
I use it on hd Intel 3k...lol
fair warning though. linux intel HD support isn't the best. I'm a linux goer myself but I prefer to stick with Nvidia or AMD dedicated graphics card then onboard graphics because of this issue.
Excellent video! But not a surprise for any Linux users watching.
@Caetano Veyssières True, it is good news though :) Even Windows games are seeming to run faster on Linux now.
Nah it's just Blender devs don't give a shit about Windows developement like any FOSS fanatics, it has been like this for many years.
@@xox8717 I'd beg to differ - I'd say these inefficiencies are at system level, not API. I've no proof of that though.
@@CorvusNumber6 2.79 no big difference on any OS, 2.80 had major changes under the hood even performance is worse than 2.79 so who is to blame,? of course the ones writing blender's code, doesn't take a genius to figure that out .
@@xox8717 That's interesting - I've never used Blender before but I read (or watched?) somewhere about great speed improvements in 2.8
I suppose it should be possible to spot differences between Windows and Linux versions from the code base saying as it's FOSS. If what you're saying is correct, then the windows version should get the speed improvements in a future update.
It still leaves the question though, of why some native windows software (read 'games' at the minute) runs faster under Linux. (Ie; The windows version running on Linux).
Mind you, after working in Windows system support for 15 years, you soon realise what a badly designed, poorly implemented resource hog windows actually is.
Now this is the kinda content I expect from someone named CG Geek. Great work on all the benchmarks!
You meaning Clickbaiting garbage?
@@xox8717 clickbait? well maybe a little. after all this youtube channel is his business, and you gotta make that revenue roll somehow.
garbage? no haha, but i see your confusion. if i lived in a basement surrounded with twinkie wrappers i might also think everything my eyes see is garbage. but it's not, it's just you.
the box sad "windows 8.1 or better" so installed Linux.
😂 love it 😅😅😅
That's odd, 20 years ago that joke was Windows 98 or better, so I installed Mac OS
So true.. lol
@@ginglyst Oh, Mac OS 9. What a treat that wasn't...
Not so fond memories shows up.
Like talking about MS Windows 98 or MS Windows ME. Hated ME, for real. Got me to uninstal MS Windows first time. Since then, that has worked each time I got me a new computer with MS Windows pre installed. 😜
@@ginglyst yes, and then it changed to "Apple: costs more, does less. it's that simple"
12:02 How is this a doubt? It's a cold, hard, fact. Windows sends information to Microsoft, unless you go out of your way to pull that junk out.
...and re-disable that "feature" after every update after it gets "mysteriously" enabled
how do you disable it?
Outstanding work! Congratulations and thank you for sharing it!
Blender is slow on Windows 10, because Windows 10 is busy with Candy Crash...
😆😆😆😆
oh and background telemetry is real, its what they replaced their QA staff with among other purposes. Barnacules has videos on the subject since its what he used to do at microsoft
@@syloui Indeed. I bet they also hired Candy Crash Software Specialists...
😁😁😁😁
@GamingTV Oh, really?... if the OS is really useless and bloated... then, no matter what kind of hardware you use, it simply does not work...
👎👎👎👎
@GamingTV As long as Microsoft continues to make useless OSes and being opposed to opensource...
These troubles will continue...
As for Linux, it will be the future...
@GamingTV the reason why it sucks is the property source, because since it is closed source and people are NOT allowed to fix any problems in the source, it becomes a bigger problem...
If Microsoft had made Windows an opensource, I believe people would come and fix these software issues...
Since it is closed, nobody can fix Windows 10 or other Window OSes...
But people still can solve any software issues in Linux since it is opensource...
I'm not even a little bit surprised. I've used Linux exclusively for more than 10 years at home (and Arch Linux for 5 of those, which is leaner than Ubuntu), and just about everything is faster. I have Win 10 on an external USB 3 drive, and whilst slower drive access will explain some of the speed increase, it cannot possibly explain everything.
And to address your final concerns, GIMP and Krita used for texture creation and post, DaVinci resolve for video editing in additiion to Blender gives a significant performance boost across the board.
Wacom tablets work great on Linux as well, in Gimp, MyPaint etc.. Linux these days makes a great Graphics Workstation.. I recommend Linux Mint (mate or cinnamon) for new users.
I tried using GIMP for a long time, but I couldn`t stand it. I`ve prefered Krita instead, even though it has some usability issues with the commands. For video editing, what about KdenLive? I've used a few times and found great.
Stephen Hargreaves my windows was quite slow until I ran that one guys debloat script now it’s really nice
I'm watching this video once again and this was the video that encouraged me to check out Linux and other Open Source softwares. Thanks Steve!
Yeah you should try them out, the open source world is just amazing
I learned this today after switching to a higher resolution ultra wide.
I started noticing that blender was crashing while watching RUclips videos and trying to do real-time rendering, so just out of curiosity, I switched to my Lennox partition, my primary OS, and started using blender and it worked perfectly, even faster. So I had to check what was going on. I've always done all my 3D work on windows because all my applications are on there, and I was under the assumption that Windows perform better for 3D applications, but wow!
I originally switched to linux when I was in 4th grade because I read on a minecraft forum that Ubuntu would run it at double the fps. I didn't know what ubuntu was but it had an exe installer back then and ofc I wiped windows by installing it to my C: drive since that's what I did for every program, but it was well worth it on my crappy 10 year old laptop
Please dont Stop making videos. Keep Up the good work
I already Use Linux. Been using it for years. LINUX IS AWESOME!
@stillFLiP Awesome! Yeah I use Blender, Krita, Gimp, and all those software's too.
What linux distro are you using?
I use arch btw.
@Zinogg I don't know about AMD, but I don't think Nvidia drivers for Linux are inferior. Have you tried any benchmarks?
@Zinogg Nvidia and Amd support on linux is okey as much as on Windows. Did you know some *popular* games much better on linux? And Windows literally sucks. They do not even respect your privacy for money
@@akira9449 I use Linux Mint Cinnamon 19.
Based on your result, I guess the windows build of blender has some issues with optimization on CPU part. Maybe a local build would be faster ( just like pypi build of tensorflow does not have AVX2 enabled)
I gave this a try with my system that has a Xeon 8160 (has AVX2, AVX512, etc.). It took forever to build, and it's 2.81 alpha, but I did run a couple of benchmarks to see if it was faster. On my system, at least, I had a gain of 2.4% on barbershop and
> python
yikes
@moons Shadow that should be the reason! I just forget the lackluster msvc (which does not even behave well with valarray)
So, besides all the continual registry tweaks and other continual faffing around, you are now recommending that Windows users have to build their own software as well?
This is why the saying goes, Windows is great if your time is worth nothing ...
It's probably because they have to put an extra abstraction layer to make it portable, so windows can pretend to look like linux to blender. It could go the other way around, for example if a game was written in windows and later ported to linux, but I'm guessing it's just that the devs wrote it like a linux program.
Hi, a year has passed since this video has been published. I wonder if you would like to do this Linux vs Windows comparison again now with Blender LTS and/or the latest stable release!
I mean, 2.80 was kinda "not completed" and there are so many things were missing compared to 2.79 since it was kinda rewritten/ refactored. I'd love to see you do this comparison again in near future.
Keep up the good work!
There would be the same results with the newer versions with minor difference.
Thank you for going to the trouble to do the benchmarks! Great info!
NOTE: Singular for Vertices is Vertex, not Vertice. In know, English, right?
It would have been good to have an OpenCL comparison in there for all us Non-Nvidia users.
I loaded up Ubuntu and Blender 2.91 recently on my ancient PC 4930k 32GB ram AMD 5700XT. After getting OpenCL to work on Ubuntu 20.04 I found no significant difference in GPU render speeds for benchmark files... Compared Ubuntu 20.04 vs Windows 10 Pro 20H2. With Windows 10 given me slight faster renders so far. I am guessing perhaps speed differences are more apparent when using Nvidia GPU... Once PC parts stocks return to more normal levels I am updating my PC as some of my Sabertooth X79 motherboard Ram slots give me RAM errors and windows black screen lock ups. If only the large render farms and crypto miners would let us other users have some GPU cards!
My laptop is in the corner scared of this introduction.
It might also be a happy Linux system.
It's been 1 year now. What's it doing now?
Wow
You've done hell of a lot of work here! Thanks!
Stuff like this is exactly why I use Linux for literally all of my development at this point. It's just more professionally built!
Funny how a system made mainly by crowdsourcing work, i.e. by random hackers throwing their code at Linux and have some of it accepted, is just better than Windows, made by a huge organized corporation with a lot of employees paid specifically to work on it.
well "fair" and objective natural selection on linux programs and components did it
@@Architector_4 It's made with passion.
@@MrGincone not sure how significant that is, we are all made of space dust.
In Windows' defense, it's slower because it does a lot in the background. Like sending your personal data to the NSA. #GoWindows!
Hahaha and NTFS is slow
XD
@@MrSoloveyko For an average Joe background apps are are a pretty nice thing to happen really
Blender 2.8 Evee crashes all the time On my windows 10, But On my linux (Ubuntu) Everything is fine.
I need to try Ubuntu Studio
I've been using Ubuntu Studio for over a couple of years now, it's basically just Ubuntu with xfce and a low latency kernel (great for recording music), plus some extra software pre installed. Nothing special, it's just ubuntu, but still very nice.
its not bad! but i'm using fedora 29
I love Manjaro kde!
I'd recommend Pop!_OS or Manjaro over Ubuntu Studio.
For long windows users I would suggest to try various linux distributions in "live" mode (without installing them) to see how the default config of desktop feels to you (and how well it works with your HW by default), I would for example expect "Kubuntu" to feel lot more familiar to windows users than Ubuntu.
(if you already installed some distro and now you think some other would be better, usually any distro can be reconfigured into similar state like other has default, i.e. it's possible to install also KDE5 desktop environment into regular Ubuntu, although then there may be few artefacts like having several text editors installed, etc.. which can be resolved by further customization and configuration of course... and usually it's no big deal to live with those artefacts for some time. And then I would suggest to reinstall whole linux after 2-5 years from scratch, the upgrades between versions usually work very well, but there's still some "cruft" accumulating in old config files, etc... Ideally if you buy new HW and run it in parallel with old, so you can slowly migrate.)
To OP: same goes with going from Ubuntu to Ubuntu Studio, if you know you want to reinstall the box any way, you can first try to install package like `ubuntustudio-desktop` and its dependencies, low latency kernel, etc.. and you will theoretically end with Ubuntu Studio. Then you can check about those artefacts I'm mentioning above, maybe it will work good enough to avoid reinstall. Although fresh start with new knowledge about linux, allowing you to partition disks and config the install more in your favour is for me personally always interesting option. I did notice the upgraded/reconfigured machines after few years tend to be in tiny bit less consistent state than fresh install, most of the time it's not like having some faults or issues, but booting+login into desktop may take like half a second more, etc...
I run a 2010 Intel Quad for modelling in Blender 2.8 with Linux Mint and so far, I get along fine.
I've used primarily Linux for the past 8 or 9 years. Every once in a while I switch back to windows and within a week or so I give up on windows and go back to Linux. It's just so much snappier all around. And now with Proton on Steam, 99% of the games I play are available on Linux so there really is no reason for Windows at all
What is proton?
@@GaelPrado It's Steam's modified version of wine on Linux. Basically it allows games designed for Windows to be played on Linux. It is installed with Steam.
@@blumsicle Oh, that's good to know, thanks!
Yeah
Well thats the last hurdle to full time Linux, it was always the games that kept me on M$ - not anymore!
I've been using Linux forever and I've noticed Blender is a bit faster and crashes less on Linux. But these benchmarks just blow my mind, man! It must be the 2.80, because I'm sure previously the difference wasn't that huge (I think Andrew Price used to do some benchmarks). You're right, every Blender user should see this video, and also every tutorial maker, because it's been always nagging me a bit that they nearly all use Windows and complain of the lags and crashes as being part of the Blender experience (which was very rarely my experience).
Linux terminal is insanely cool. It can apt-get whatever you want except a girlfriend.
just type "git clone girlfriend"
@Qushy will there be a Womanjaro?
@@rexevan6714 she wouldn't commit and keep merging with any dude with a vim editor.
@Qushy try using pure arch...
@Qushy an hour? Nah man, 20 mins is enough
Apparently using Linux makes a big difference on my second get i3 potato laptop with no GPU.
I have a i3 with no GPU and blender 2.8 is laggy as hecc
@@normanmai52 linux?
@N. Ibraimo whoosh
I run Void Linux on an ARM single-board PC with no GPU, runs like a charm.
@@normanmai52 I have a dedicated gpu on my 9 year old laptop and the viewport is laggy as hell
Davinci Resolve runs well on my Ubuntu, making use of both, cpu and gpu when rendering. Very fast and snappy. Gimp has improved much recently too, now offering more gpu supported filters and functions.
Disclaimer I am a open source dev. I was a bit sceptical about this video. Windows very optimized for nvidia. Linux is a bit behind in nvidia drivers. Using bloated ubuntu but fair beginner OS with older kernel? I am very surprised with the result. Thanks to the content creator for his time and effort. For me this a great win for the open source community. We need to attract more creators to our platform.
Yes, I also expected graphics performance to be slightly higher on Windows.
I was really surprised by the speed differences in CPU rendering, seems like the Blender developers only optimize their software for Linux and also made a bad choice for the Windows compiler. The difference really shouldn't be that big. Not that I would really care, I run Blender on Arch Linux.
@@uzefulvideos3440 Or Windows is just terrible and Linux is superior. As you should know, Linux is able to run games faster than Windows even when its not native to Linux.
@@ark_knight I very much doubt that this is true.
@@uzefulvideos3440 Don't believe me, you can go check Forbes or Phoronix. I am just a messenger.
@@uzefulvideos3440 They use Microsoft’s compiler for Windows. Is that a bad choice?
(Hint: What do they use to build Windows itself?)
It's been known for a long time that Linux has much better memory management than other OSes. Back in the 2000s, some people found that running World of Warcraft under Wine on Linux gave you a few extra FPS than on Windows. Good to see this backed up with some evidence that is accessible and easy for the public to understand. Good job.
Unfortunately, almost all other applications run much worse on Linux than on Windows :(
@@Luxalpa really? do you have examples? I mean yes it's totally true when you speak of games, because mostly those are crappy ports or need sth like DXVK or wine in order to run
but at least for me, production software like Davinci Resolve runs faster on linux, not by that big margin like blender though (it's ~10-15%)
Solid results. I've done the same analysis and did in fact throw out Windows just after Win 10 started infecting the world.
I's really is hard to understand why companies won't support Linux better. Write for Linux, port to Windows is such a killer choice!!!
... and I'm saying that as a SW-engineer/-architect with 35+ years of experience of both platforms.
I've been wanting to switch to linux and think it's definitely the superior operating system, but the only thing holding me back is my specific monitor configuration and VR. I have 1 monitor on my 2070, 3 on my 970 and one on my iGPU. Trying to get this specific setup running under linux with proprietary drivers was less than feasible for me. But if I solved those two specific problems I'd be perfectly fine. Any tips?
@@rileyguy5892 I've had plenty of configurations but not exactly yours. I don't know where your specific config fails, but in general I think long-term. Switching may sometimes invalidate prior choices. But long term it's not the most important issue. There are always solutions.Early days with Linux (decades ago) this may not have been true, but today I always get it working if I build the system for running Linux, and with MUCH less fuzz.
I'll have to tinker around with it sometime, though I think the graphical driver department is something that needs improvement.
If you use a Vive or Valve Index @@rileyguy5892, then you can play VR on Linux.
Do valve's headsets really work well enough on linux to be able to play most VR games?
Thanks. Never liked Apple so I've been with Windows from the beginning.
But, the more I experience 'allergic reactions' to Win10 'updates' and the more I learn about MS business practices in general (intentionally monopolistic) the less I like them.
I've been windows most of my life till, till trying Ubuntu out in 2016. Came back to Linux in 2021 off and on. Only reason I use Windows is FL Studio
Windows 10 by default has too many stuff running on the background,, and add to it that most of the blender developers they code on linux too. So kinda expected.
Steve, I have to make this remark (it's my pet peeve). The singular of "vertices" is "vertex".
As well as switching to Linux, tutorial makers should switch to the correct form of this word :-)
Pawelices, pedantic commenters sweating the small stuff is a pet peeve of mine. ;)
When spoken - "Vertice" (sounded as Verticee, no 's' at end), as well as "Vertice" (sounded Vertiss - no eee) - many of us use either to refer to a singular vertex, among other vertices. Also, yes, sometimes used to mean a vertex, singular or singular among others.
Language is not static, it's this kind of thing that is an example of how words are dynamic and not limited to academic renderings of "correct" usage.
The reality is, it works, or it wouldn't be so common in tutorials, and frankly, common in the spoken vernacular among us in the trenches. If the teammate I'm talking with tried to correct me on this one, I'd be hard fit not to want to smack him for wasting both our time and focus on production stunting minutia. :)
@@FRACTUREDVISIONmusic I know language is not static, but it doesn't mean I won't react when mans
or womans like you slaughter it.
@Adam Richard “Linuxen”. ;)
It would be interesting to see some results between different Linux Distributions, while Canonical has helped bring a lot of interest to Linux as a whole, but honestly Ubuntu is one of the most bloated of the Distro's out there, but in saying that, what Canonical has added has made getting a start into Linux a lot easier.
I've never actually used any Adobe products (except Acrobat Reader, and even that is only on my phone), so you can certainly get away from using Adobe, it's only a learning curve.
You are on a Windows mindset here. On Linux, bloat is mostly just used disk space. In this kind of workloads, it doesn't really matter much. All Linux distros run basically the same amount of services/daemons in the background.
@@framegrace1 Trust me, no I'm not. I've been an IT Tech for over 25 years, in that time I've tried my hand at many Distro's, currently using Mint Debian Edition, I haven't touched Microsoft products for at least 10 years apart from helping someone with an issue, or wiping it off a preinstalled new system. If you look more closely at Distro's like Ubuntu they run background services to help the user experience, which in of itself isn't totally a bad thing if it helps more user get into using Linux, but it does run more services, and as most experienced users know, more services means the system is spending time doing more processing, hence bloat.
From my experience from rendering for a long time on Linux with Blender: Linux is put together pretty much the same on all Linux Distros, you will not find any significant preformance difference between different Distros, not on powerful hardware, which, BTW, you will need anyway for using Blender for rendering.
Anyone that has to render 3D animation videos, doing it in linux will be a big advantage, i mean just calculate saving that percentage per render... It´s a big chunk of time saved. Thanks for the video.
Have to install a version of ubuntu and test this with my rig to see if I have better performance like you had.
Any results?
As far as I know, Linux is MUCH better at managing it's memory and data storage than Windows is. It's used by technicians, engineers, scientists and the like, because it's so much more efficient and not to mention stable than Windows.
Nah it's just Blender devs don't give a shit about Windows developement like any FOSS fanatics so they're to blame not the OS , it has been like this for many years.
There are reasons why the world's supercomputers and data centers use the Linux kernel: It's faster, scalable, open source, and FASTER. There are reasons why the world's personal computers still use Windows: It's installed by default, has the majority of market share (for now), and consumer level applications follow the market.
Oh and Microsoft
I'm one of these engineers. I got fed up with Windows and the bloated crap it was in 2006 and switched to Debian. So much nicer and more reliable ever since. I have never regretted the change and now see that I knew long ago what people are realizing just now.
@@aloiskleinestier1848 I am also one of those computer users that ditched MS Windows ME when it ruined my Redhat installation the second time.
Used and administrating computers professionally of different brands and os:es since 1984. All from huge multi user computers with up to a couple of 100 simultanious usesr down to MS DOS and 8 bit singel user systems.
MS Windows never been any good, tecnically. Except for NT, which they changed into worse with each update.
Personally I have uninstalled MS Windows since 2000 and professionally not used M S Windows on my work machine since 2002, or something. Used Sun and SGI workstations before that.
And free ??!! nahhh that can't be =]
I used to work for PC Magazine and we had a camera that did 100fps and simply recorded the screen for times. This was recorded on to a Pro S-VHS rack mounted deck. The crucial thing was being able to skip and shuttle back and forth to find the start and end frames like you can no in any NLE.
Maybe I'm not understanding you correctly but...any NLE can do exactly that...if it has trouble doing so, it's probably working with a LONG-Gop videoformat which is known to be a resource and time hog due to how the codec works at the decompression stage.
Just imagine the increase if you were using one of the lighter Ubuntu Flavors such as Xubuntu (XFCE) or Lubuntu (LXQT) which is slowly becoming my favorite desktop environment for Linux. LXQT feels like a light version of PLASMA. Gnome on the other hand is more resource heavy compared to the other desktop options like, Mate, XFCE, LXQT, or a Plain Window Manager. This is a great video idea which gives me the idea to do a test like this for Audio using Avid’s Pro Tools. Granted most Modern OS’s with even low specs can chew through large mixing sessions with 100 tracks or more even on a laptop but, I think this has inspired me to give it a shot! Great video and thanks for the idea!
If you want a lot of stuff switched off in Windows, then get Spybot Anti-Beacon. It will stop Win10 from sending your information back to MS and a host of other stuff. It use to be free, but I think it may not be now.
By the way, great video. Linux is very process efficient and also, Nvidia have really stepped up on Linux drivers.
It would have been interesting to see how AMD Radeon ProRender would have coped with render times.
Anyway, keep up the great work.
Or instead of all that hassle, you can install Linux.
Absolutely,
OpenGL on Windows is wayyy heavier. Winsh*t have all sorts of services in the background, spys etc... as you said. You want to be even more shocked ? Use Manjaro to be able to use the latest Kernel, video drivers, Xorg, etc... And no need to upgrade distribution every 6 months (don"t worry it's not bare Arch son you won't have unstable stuff). Super simple and you have everything you need with last functionalities (unlike Ubuntu).
I'm working with Blender, Gimp+G'MIC, Unreal Engine 4. I switched from Ubuntu to Manjaro two months ago to have better updates.
No matter what distribution you are using, folks : get out of Winthing world ! Bienvenue dans le monde libre ! 😉
I use Linux since 2006. I use Kubuntu, but I disable many unneeded feetures so it becomes super fast and super friendly.
You know that linux company are partnered with microsoft right cause of Azure
@@Greetsfuckers-GamingMain Linux isn't a company. Microsoft use Linux for their Azure servers.
@@καλαμ let me ask you what about thousands of hackers stalkers killers use linux?
@@Greetsfuckers-GamingMain Lmao what??
@@καλαμ dont lmao me yet , what if they use to track people that what I was saying example hack into cctv or baby monitor camera?
I've recently decided to run linux primarily on my main system. I still have Windows installed for the things I can't do on linux (certain games). I've been running linux exclusively on my laptop for over a year now and I haven't turned back there. (save for a VM.) I'm running Pop!_OS which has been pretty nice so far. 19.04 on my laptop and 18.04 on my Desktop.
This was great please do more like this in the future.
Thanks mate! My latest video covers more cores vs faster cores on CPU's in Blender. :)
Ive been getting similar improvements with houdini. Also in terms of ram ive had sims eating up all 128gb on Windows where the same sim peaked at 70gb on Linux.
Given the simulations are (i would expect) compute-bound (and single-threaded, IIRC), it sounds like the 2.80 Windows release of blender is not optimized for your specific CPU and the Linux version is fetching a build for your specific CPU.
Wow just imagine how fast it could be on an optimized arch installation...
Awesome video. Amazing that someone actually did all those benchmarks
Thank you for being so thorough!
This matches my experience, though I don't use Blender much. This was particularly noticeable for the original Quake back when Win95 was required to play over network. The Linux port was noticeably faster. I've been gaming on Linux ever since and everytime we switched to Windows for testing it's been dog slow. I can't imagine anyone having a good gaming experience on Windows.
Well Quake is an OpenGL game, just like Valve games and Minecraft. Unix and Radeon GPUs were always way better at rendering it.
@@crisgriffin3042 The original Quake was NOT written in OGL, it was software rendered and it was awesome. There is GLQuake, but that came from after the source release.
I had a dark history with windows in the early days (3.1 into others) and in 1996 I found linux, I must have told of the virtues of the platform a lot, because my mom, not knowing anything about computers got me a shirt, that read (yes it is dated) "Linux for Servers - Macintosh for Graphics - Palm for Mobility - Windows for Solitaire", however linux/unix variants dominated the server market (still does I believe), long ago I had the argument that it was a completely viable, stable, and often times more stable desktop platform, still a good alternative for so many things!
Linux is free, and servers or render workstation's slaves are using hundreds of units. Its cheaper.
Michael Pernicka NONE of the Top 500 supercomputers in the world use Windows. _LOL._
* www.top500.org/statistics/details/osfam/1
Linux runs on more then two BILLION devices via Android.
MS had a ~20 year head start with WinCE and they _still_ couldn't compete. LOL.
Even Azure, MS cloud, runs on ~50% Linux! _LOL._
* www.zdnet.com/article/linux-now-dominates-azure/
Windows is entrenched on the desktop because most people don't know any better, to afraid to change, or their apps just aren't available on Linux/Mac.
Windows 10 even has a WSL (Windows Sub-system for Linux). I wouldn't be surprised to see "Winux" _another_ MS linux in 20 years. (They already tried their own Unix, Xenix, ~40 years ago.)
* en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenix
MX Linux - When I use this vs Windows the feeling is lightning fast. Like playing a 60FPS game vs one running at 25FPS.
mx is faster than ubuntu thanks to xfce rather than gnome
Endeavour is faster than them both because it's Arch :)
@@khaled.aldajani it seems intresting to me. i hadnt heard its name before and i was searching for an arch based distro with that features for a while. thank you for introducing it.
@@mahdi7d1rostami You are welcome
Btw they are gonna make a net installer so you can choose whatever DE you want
what about fedora?
Another important point is that Ubuntu (and most other distros) use ext4 for your partition. This, compared to windows ntfs, speeds loading times in programs and copying of files. In my experience spinning disks get actually a good boost by this f.e. when you load into games.
I figured out a powerful EEVEE render settings trick just yesterday. It solved my PC freezing issues while attempting to create a animation render of any sort. Will toss up a video on it soon. Thanks Mike for all of your tests you've made. I gotta purchase me a new machine soon to ever get to performance levels that are optimal. My gaming PC truly sucks. What did you set the Render value at for your EEVEE renders? It matters when it comes to render time for sure especially using EEVEE for animations.
On one hand, Linux programmers payed way more attention to performance, but on the other hand, blender developers probably use Linux and optimization is thus based on Linux systems.
I doubt that, from what it looks like, most of them use Windows. It is simply that Linux is more efficient, period.
Where can I get that shirt?
@Joel Berry Do you know what a shirt is?
@@theslashr well then, where can I get that shi*t?
i thought same, but then i thought that maybe i am more of a cad guy, then i ditched this idea lol
@Prometheus 2019 Ah, yes, I use Shirt OS
I am using 2gb ddr2 . And dual core 2.5 .32bit no GPU
But blender 😍 . Old version . RIP to me
Running Linux? If not it might feel like a new computer under that OS! :)
@@CGGeek win 7 . Old but . I love my pc 😫
same here. And also love my pc a lot.
One of the main differences with speed is probably due to Linux being priority number one on the Blender dev team with Windows being number two or three depending on where Mac sits.
Some open source alternatives:
Primere -> KDENLive, OpenShot
Photoshop -> GIMP
Illustrator, Corel Draw -> Inkscape
Audition -> Audacity
For Photoshop drawing I would also recommend Krita
awesome ! i would love you to compare other software to! like fusion 360, zbrush, houdini, cinema 4d. please!!
Compare it to what? Those programs don't run natively on Linux.
You could see Blender becoming pretty much unworkable at 2 million for sculpting.
Zbrush can eat that shit up like breakfast, it doesn't break a sweat on my pc even until 10 to 20 million, this is the one major thing holding back sculpting in Blender imo and Pablo Dobarro knows this and is hoping to fix somehow.
@@RuthwikRao i am just talking about the speed difference of linux an windows and different 3d an other software. not debating blender vs zbrush.
@@onesandzeroes natively or not there are ways to run those software on linux.
@@IronMan-yg4qw yup like wine
I do not know how I could use windows. Linux has changed my computer life. Workx much better. Windows may be better for gaming.
Every time I have to use windows, it feels like having an arm tied behind my back.
gcc on linux vs msvc on windows seems to be the reason for performance gap
whats GCC?
(ignore this:-> #save for later blender developement msvc)
@@yash1152 software compiler
Yash Pal Goyal
*GCC* = Gnu compiler collection (open source)
*clang* = another popular compiler (open source)
*MSVC* = Microsoft's proprietary closed source Visual C++ compiler
There are endless debates on the quality of code produced by the various compilers. In some tests msvc is faster other times gcc is faster. It really depends on what you are compiling.
And to think I was about to drop 110 on Windows 10...
Steve, your channel is the gift that just keeps. on. giving.
Great comparison, thank you
nice!
How about repeat this with Arch-Linux instead of Ubuntu and on a recent Ryzen instead of i9?
It will probably be extremely simmilar, contrary to popular rumors and such, linux is linux, the difference is barely noticable ;)
Exept for source-based distros like Gentoo or some optimised stuff like Clear Linux for intel hardware ofc haha
you cant really compare archlinux because every install is different
Linux has the defacto standard in ALL of computing since the early 2000s with one exception: consumer grade desktops. This too will change, it just took a bit longer.
Because Linux is still too "technical" for average consumer, and gets long time to get used to. The whole different ecosystem and logic, and ways to do things. Like, you have to know exactly what you need to do, otherwise you won't find it on your own.
Thats why MacOS is so popular as "people-friendly Unix", because you can switch on it from Windows in less than a day, gaining all Unix performance boost, sacrificing only few hotkeys and window buttons on the left instead of right.
@@crisgriffin3042 It's not too technical. You just can't change it. I've tried a bunch of times to switch to Ubuntu for desktop. As soon as you start changing things and adding and removing stuff things start going wrong and it's not too long after that that it all just goes to hell and the only solution is to burn it down and start over.
@@Alacritous that might mean you don't have enough experience to know what you should and shouldn't do in linux. I also 'broke' the OS multiple times because I didn't know what not to do. Now I have more experience, I'm way more confident about solving problems that I considered unfixable before. Also you will learn to solve problems yourself instead of having to search it on google everytime if you keep using linux.
@@elfferich1212 I do know quite a bit. But most importantly, I know what not to screw with. But that's kind of my point. Anyone coming into Linux from the Windows world doesn't want to have to worry about things like that. They want it to work. Windows works. Linux shits itself if you look at it wrong. And when it does, the only remedy is to wipe and reinstall. There's no repair mechanism like SFC or DISM in windows. Ubuntu, for example, is perfectly fine if all you do is open LibreOffice and check email in the browser. If you start installing stuff that isn't on the first page of the Ubuntu software manager, you're rolling the dice.
@@Alacritous what the f*ck are you installing then? I'm here on Manjaro Linux, I can install and uninstall stuff as I like, as far as it's not dependencies (that will not work unless you also uninstall everything dependant on it) nothing bad will happen.
And apparently you don't have much experience with Ubuntu or other distros, in 95% of places you can just install the distro over your current install, it'll replace most of your system stuff without even touching user files.
I'm using Linux and got away completely from windows, just had enough of the windows Mac debate and paying a premium for everything, the fact that blender runs better and smoother is a testament to Linux. Yes, you can go without Adobe etc.. have to be willing to. It's too easy to say i can't get away from Adobe. the programs may not have everything you had with adobe, but it does not mean you cannot find a way around it or do it differently, that is how mediocrity continues and monopolies continue, the incremental versus supporting something like Krita or any other app to do what you need will be far more rewarding than simply putting up with Microsoft, Apple, Adobe, Autodesk etc etc...
Unfortunately if you collaborate with other studios/agencies you just need to have Photoshop. They expect PSD files from you and send you PSD files, really complex one that any kind of converting will not work. I am 8+ years Linux user and this is problem from day one. Sole reason why I still have laptop with Windows installed.
@@webworkman unfortunately this is the case yes, if this is your business goal then absolutely, if it's not then, there is nothing stopping you from changing or or doing things differently. Everyone assumes that business and fitting in to some pre existing pipeline is the only way.
are you planing to repeat this with windows 11 and newer versions of blender?
GREAT information, Thank you for the great work.
I love Linux, i use Mint 19.2, but there is one big minus with Linux, and it is the hardware tools. I have a Huion Kamvas Gt-156dv2 to draw, but i can't get any Driver to use on Linux. So i am still stuck with my Windows 7 to draw until January, still not sure if i want to buy Windows 10, i hope the company who make drawing Tablets will awake and do drivers for Linux Users.
Not sure what the name is anymore, but there’s community made tablet drivers for all the Chinese tablets out there - worked great for me with a recent Huion
Can confirm this even in a core 2 duo, in Windows it crashes immediately when rendering any scene (even the default cube), but it renders no problems in Ubuntu 20.04, i was able to render bit complex scenes without any problem as well.
Been using Linux since years now, tried out Blender a few months ago and it was to fast :D 100% CPU usage, on every core and I could still use everything :)
Is that different on Windows? I mean can't you use other applications when CPU-rendering?
@@onesandzeroes first of all I couldn't get it to give all the performance to Blender, at least not on Win7. Second problem was, that everything was laggy, the whole desktop, etc. Sure, if I open Chrome on any of these, they'll either lag or steal performance from Blender and give it to Chrome. But like said, I could use the rest of Linux without problems :)
@@Fabian-_- I'm asking because I use Linux and I can also render 100% without any lags, but I didn't know you couldn't do that on Windows. It doesn't surprise me though :)
The result on this vid is right. For Blender runs faster on Linux than Windows.
Here's my result of "Spring" benchmarks ( see 05:50 on this video ) with my Ryzen3700X / RTX2060 SUPER.
(CPU rendering)
Windows 10 : 14 min 32 sec
Ubuntu 20.04 : 08 min 55 sec
Pop!_OS 20.10 : 07 min 51 sec
(GPU rendering)
Pop!_OS 20.10 : 04 min 54 sec
Appoximately same with with Windows 10 + TITAN RTX result in this video ( 06:50 ), even with my weaker 2060 SUPER.
Manjaro might be even faster than Ubuntu.
Nuke runs on Linux, but you could also try Natron instead of Nuke, as Natron is free.
Likewise, try Krita instead of Photoshop.
Try KDEnlive instead of After Effects.
The free options do entail some sacrifices, and actually some advantages, although I think both Adobe products can run under WINE on Linux.
well.. I can see many asking Microsoft to justify this result which is a valid point.. but poor dude couldn't even give a proper reason why Internet Explorer was slow all these years.. BTW I'm a Houdini artist and I'm already hearing a lot from Houdini community about how fast Houdini runs on Linux.. I got my eyes fixed on PopOS now..
Oh, didnt know houdini was on linux 🤔
@@johnmetro20 it's available on Linux. Do try it. I'm hearing a lot of performance difference when compared to running it on Windows. I'm planning to shift to Linux.
I cant wait till they have fully optimized games for linux. I have used linux for most of my life and have always said that its faster
8:47 that's how I felt when I switched roughly 10 years ago
Oh my god. thank you dear. I really love this video.
Im dualbooting my PC with Linux/windows. It works great now but to be honest the setup was a very time consuming process. For Ubuntu alone it was also a bit of a hassle. But in the end it’s working great.
I'm seriously considering switching, since windows 7 support ends in January. I do not like windows 10. Might have to dual-boot though since I do have some windows games and things. I'm not sure how risky this is as I don't really want to reinstall windows 7
@Paul Moffat - I like your attitude, sir! At the moment figuring out how to backup my data before getting started.
I'm in the same boat. I'm gonna dual-boot Manjaro KDE, while leaving Win7 as backup.
@John Smith - I do have a few windows only things, so I'm going to have to figure that out...
Did you disable Windows defender? It really kills disk-io performance.
I nearly read that as "did you disable windows" lol
They was used out of the box experiance. One should not need to do that. There are other similar optimizations one can do with Linux.
One should not need to, though. 😜
Am so sorry bro but i cant watch this video to the end.... i need to go and look for Linux.
Thanks for the free upgrade 💋💋💋
@cg geek
Just out of curiosity , would that speed difference be the same on a 25frms render ? would it matter if it the scene is dynamic and not with static objects ? I am talking about the start phase that seems to be the issue , if you remove that from both the result is more or less the same . For my case (linux centos) I will like to use blender as an atmospheric (stuff) generator for comp stuff . And my software of choice is better in Linux than Mac . It's not in PC so I have to swap back n forth with C4D/Arnold as it is my main tool .
The problem is Linux doesn't have Nvidia OptiX. That technology is superfast (more than conventional CUDA) and only supported on Windows, as far as I know
I used optix on Linux recently