kyushen23 - please show me in the Jesus’ words in the Bible where he said the book is the only way! We have his words, verbatim in the Bible- he is God, and therefore omniscient, he would have known the Bible was coming some 400 years later. Why did he not instruct the apostles to compile this book and that the book would be the only ingredient and requirement to practice the faith? Why? You reject tradition, ok, so be it. So the Latin and Orthodox Churches are older and have apostolic succession, but you have it figured out? Why do you care, are Latin and Orthodox Catholicism a threat to you?
I was raised an Evangelical Christian. I started investigating Catholic theology to prove it wrong. I was confirmed as a Catholic a year later. When I looked at what Protestants claimed the church taught compared to what it actually taught and it’s answers, the obvious choice was to join.
As a catholic, sometimes its tiring being labeled such and such, and told time and time again that i should believe so and so when its not what catholics believe. I would like to evangelize others but sometimes i get fear coz while i might not be stoned to death like the christians of old, i might be called a whore of babylon or something. Imagining what the saints and martyrs went through, makes you think its a miracle that catholicism is still around for more than 2 thousand years. Its a testament to Christs promise not to abandon us that we persevere
@@Cafez27 why would that be a question. The Apostles proved it when they replaced Judas Iscariot with Matthias. Jesus never told them to do this but through the authority of the keys of the kingdom of Heaven, given to St. Peter and the Apostles, they filled the seat vacated by Judas. Not only did they replace him, but they established the method by which a new bishop is ordained, as well as priests and deacons.
@@jeffscully1347 Hi Jeff good to hear from you. Acts Chapter 1 from verse 16 onwards sets out the fulfilment of prophecy, and Peter goes to great length's to articulate this. The replacement of Judas is very specific to Judas who btw did an evil thing. All references are to 'his' i.e. Judas not other apostles. For example in verse 20 it reads "may another take HIS office" Neither Peter nor the other apostles mention anything about establishing this as a process for replacing apostles. I'm afraid this just a fact. It's a very specific, and Peter makes this point well, about the replacement of Judas as a fulfilment of prophecy. To read it any other way is to read things into this that just aren't there. It's pretty basic to be honest.
Sadly, before examining Catholicism and becoming Catholic, I would have eaten up the words of Mike Winger and then used it to talk against Catholics, just as I did with my own protestant pastors. It's embarrassing how arrogant and incorrect I was.
I love how Trent horn interacts with the content of his opponent in a charitable tone. And also he gives us quite some good content on Church doctrines and history! I guess this, hopefully, future exchange between the two will raise a better understanding on the subject under discussion to all who will follow it! 😇
I dont find him charitable at all. I think you can hear the resentment clearly in some of his comments. "oh, don't criticize him for saying papacy wrong"
I've seen a trend of these Protestant apologists citing secondary scholarship on the Fathers and the Scriptures that is often hundreds of years old. James White does this as well.
We have to be careful, though, when thinking about this. Truth doesn't get worse with age. It doesn't slowly become false. I agree with you, there is a lack of engagement with the primary resources on the part of Protestants, but that doesn't speak to the truth of what they are saying (or what the secondary scholarship is saying). After all, that is why academic scholarship exists. It is an attempt to analyze and synthesize truth and beliefs from primary sources. That's how society builds on the past, academically.
@Patz13 I guess you just didn't understand the conversation. The point was that the fact that the Protestant uses secondary sources doesn't speak to the truth. You have to ask yourself what I meant when I used the word "that" when I said: "...but that doesn't speak to the truth of what they are saying (or what the secondary scholarship is saying)." The word "that", there, refers to the antecedent clause "there is a lack of engagement with the primary resources on the part of Protestants". That means that it doesn't speak to the truth of the Protestants claim *in virtue of* the fact that it is from secondary sources, which it doesn't. This misunderstanding just underscores my point that we need to think carefully about these issues.
@Patz13 I don't need to deal with it, Patz13. That has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. You just are not understanding the conversation. I'm not talking about any particular point, or any particular secondary source, or whether any source is right or wrong, or whether anybody using such sources is right or wrong. What I'm talking about is the fact, indisputable fact, that using secondary sources is not an issue and has no part in determining the truth of any claim made on the basis of such sources or any claim made by such sources themselves. I sincerely hope you understand now so that you can stop being miffed over, and stop trying to correct people over, something you simply misunderstood. By the way, even though I am a Protestant, I'm not on the "Protestant side" here. I'm very Catholic friendly. I can honestly say that I desire to be a Catholic. I think Trent Horn is a better apologist than Mike. I like Mike, but I think that Trent is one of the top 5 Christian apologists today, at least that I know of. I also think that Mike Winger is often wrong, even on this topic. So, there we go, I hope that I've gotten everything out of the way that may be coming between us. Peace, my brother/sister (assuming you are a Christian).
@Patz13 *"No. You are the one who is not understanding the significance of the Protestant Pastor, who relies on incorrect secondary sources."* Again, the Protestant pastor has nothing to do with my point. I don't need to think about the Protestant pastor because I'm not talking about him. I'm only talking about the fact that a source is secondary having no relation to whether truth is found in it or not. If you can't understand that, then there is no point in continuing to talk to you. *"You can't deal with the incompetence of your Protestant heroes."* Mike's not a hero of mine. Again, I think Trent is more a hero of mine than Mike is. Your words here do not even interact with the points me and Joel made and, so, are pointless.
I know what the holy ghost said during the mass Pentecostal revivals of the 40s and 50s and 60s.... The holy ghost divorced the espoused apostate catholic church corrupted by her many fornications and adulteries which she has made the whole world drunk with....
@@dieselcowboy777 that wasn't the Holy Spirit talking to you, cowboy. How do I know? Because God is always faithful and never divorces His bride, no matter how unfaithful she is. Read the book of Hosea. Christ, the Bridegroom, was fond of quoting it in the Gospels. Stop listening to that voice that fooled you and return to the Truth.
@@illumoportetcresceremeaute887 Catholicism was an espoused church.....it was never married and never became his bride.... That's why when the holy ghost came a 2nd time during the mass Pentecostal revivals of the 40s and 50s and 60s.....it was to fulfill the marriage of the lamb and bride.... And the holy ghost found the espoused apostate catholic church corrupted by her many fornications and adulteries which she has made the whole world drunk with and divorced her.... Catholicism is devorced today and a total outcast to the economy of God.....plus the holy ghost rejected all trinitarian denominations and a few others.....they will never be bride.... The holy ghost already chose his bride during the mass Pentecostal revivals of the 40s and 50s and 60s and His bride is a small Pentecostal by experience non trinitarian church that baptizes in the name of Jesus Christ.... And all these trinitarian ministers claiming to be born again or the bride are a bunch of liars and deceivers....false annointed or false Christs ....workers of iniquity manifesting gifts and jesus christ will tell them you are not my bride
@@illumoportetcresceremeaute887 you are following satan if you are catholic....everything Catholicism teaches is a false misinterpretation of the word or lucifer preaching to you
Read your Bible and that is sufficient and Pray to Father Through Jesus Christ There is NO Mary in Trinity Isn't Mary Dead? so why talk to a Dead person?
@@childofgod4862 You're insulting the Blessed Virign who gave birth to the one you confess as Lord and yet you have the gall to consider yourself a Christian? Do pay some attention to the video you're posting under and you might come to realize that you're gravely mistaken.
@@csongorarpad4670 My friend you did not read my Comment earlier? I said, Read your Bible Did Jesus called his Mother Mary Mother? No There is NOT a single mentioned about that Jesus is Creator of Mary and yet he came through her Just think critically now Our God created the Heaven and there our God chose to reside that means God made himself smaller than heaven And only that is the way our God can live in his created heaven Ok? My Lord Jesus said, to Mary "Woman" always! Just read when my Lord Jesus was in the temple and there comes Mary and his siblings > Mark 3:31-35 Answering them, He *said, “Who are My mother and My brothers?” Looking about at those who were sitting around Him, He *said, “Behold My mother and My brothers! For whoever does the will of God, he is My brother and sister and mother.” Why did Jesus said, "Let my mother come inside" No Jesus did not say that So you know there is NO mother for Jesus Ok? Read your Bible Jesus said, "Before Abraham was, I am" So read your Bible When you talk with Mary who is DEAD, it is called Deuteronomy 18 10-12 Necromancer = talking with dead This is same as you talk with your any DEAD family members. And my Bible does not teach me to pray to Mary in the first place Correct? She was a vessel for God and he job was done when she gave Him birth Ok? Think out of box my friend!
Mike Winger doesn't care about Christian history. He said so on his video on infant baptism. He said he doesn't care what Christian said 500 years after Christ died, but he refuses to see that Christians taught infant baptism hundreds of years before his reference point. I really do hope you can have a conversation with him. It is hard to listen to someone who thinks that are giving an accurate description of Catholicism when they don't.
@@johnyang1420its because it doesn’t matter, what the church believed 500 years after jesus is irrelevant. What matter is what jesus taught. What matters is what scripture says. If the church contradicts scripture then the church is wrong. If christians 500 years or even 100 years after jesus, contradict scripture, than those christians are wrong
People from different churches, it wasn’t just the RCC. However, more important is what they wrote, who wrote it and who copied it. Again, the RCC didn’t write it, doesn’t hold to what was written, but they were part of the churches that copied it.
I was baptized Catholic as an infant. I made my first confession and communion, then as a teen I devolved into a sinful lifestyle and rejected God entirely. I said (even to myself) that I didn't believe in God, but deep down I knew I did. As I got older I started to believe in a God of my own making that "knew my heart" and would being me to Heaven regardless of my unrepentant sin. Then I was given a King James Bible and started to understand Christ for myself. I have the Bible many times through now and I also have a copy of the. Apocrypha as well. I feel such a true connection with Christ now. I heard so much anti Catholic propaganda when I was watching RUclips videos to enhance my Bible reading that I never even considered coming back. Lately though, I've been watching a lot of Catholic content and reading the Church father. Thank you for your videos they have helped me a lot.
Catholic theologians have discussed these same and more for hundreds of years. The internet is just now allowing us to find some of those answers pointing the way back to the catholic church. So many anti-catholic hit pieces by people who don't even understand the faith it seems as though they are influenced by the devil to help spread misinformation about the church Jesus set up. Makes a lot of sense to me. I don't think protestants won't be saved but as a Catholic, I'm confident the church is the truest way, though I've been told I'm going to H*LL many times because I am Catholic. Good luck and God bless in all your discoveries.
“The foundation of this doctrine that the Roman Catholic Church teaches, it’s actually, well, it’s one particular thing. The Roman Catholic Church is built on one pillar. The whole church is built on one solid pillar.” Yes. And that pillar is Jesus Christ.
@Paul Peter you understand Paul that all Protestant churches have their roots in the Catholic Church. When you say Satan governs the Catholic Church you're saying that you're Church came from Satan and his influence. No my friend all Protestant churches came from the mind of an excommunicated Catholic priest. If Satan was influencing anyone it would have been Martin Luther. Look what happened because of it we now have thousands of Protestant denominations each claiming they have the truth from scripture but each professing different Doctrine
If bible is essential to Roman Catholic, but why then Roman Catholic deviates from the Bible, such as praying through the dead Saints, idolatry, purgatory, baptism, and many more?
I’m currently in RCIA, and even while coming to making the decision to join RCIA I viewed these videos of Mike Winger’s. They did confuse me quite a bit, to be honest. I wish I knew about these rebuttals earlier, thank you Trent!
I did RCIA in 2019. I'm still trying to learn and there's SO much to learn. I feel like a toddler in my understanding of the Scriptures. So, I listen to these and they are definitely a good resource to start from. It gives you books and documents to go look at.
@@rjsuvakjr Exactly! I do still have Protestant friends and family and it’s a good stepping stone- while I believe and understand the faith, it’s another thing to have examples to defend it.
@@rjsuvakjr I did rcia in 2017/2018, was privately catechized later by a priest and I STILL feel like a toddler. The vast deposit and depth of the faith is both overwhelming and gloriously exciting. So much to learn.
@@DannaCat If you want the rituals Join RCC but if you want relationship with God Read your Bible and Ask God to explain the verses you read and you will be amaze how God works in everybody's life You do not need Mary to pray to God the Father but Jesus Christ!
@@childofgod4862sometimes I think protestants are more obsessed with Mary than Catholics, you can't wait to take away her power, so many protestants just have so many problems with her, and it really makes no sense for you to feel that way. Mary always only serves to magnify the Lord. She is the Mother of God, of course she is the most important fully human person that has ever lived. It's pretty clear that she was given the power to crush the head of the snake from her Son. I've seen the power of Mary first hand, as so many Catholics have. Just look to history at Guadalupe, where with one image of Mary, God was able to convert 10 million Aztec pagans to Christianity, sometimes we need that loving mother to guide her lost children back home. Christians spent 1500 years looking to Mary for intercession, it makes no sense that y'all refuse to humble yourselves before Mary now during these times when the world is lost more than ever. May God bless you and may our mother pray for you.
This Pastor is making some bold claims. I don't even think he did any more than a cursory study of the matter, and his confirmation bias shows right from the start. I'm Lutheran and am really starting to believe Roman Catholicism, but slowly. I've been a Protestant theology guy and former Baptist pastor for a long time, so it's hard to even consider this. But worth it.
He's extremely well-versed. He knows what he's talking about. There is really no point in anyone debating anything. Rarely does anyone convince others of their side of the issue.
@@Psalm34rws You need to be born again to have discernment while reading the bible. Based on your response it is CLEAR you do not have this. You are being led astray by what the bible calls doctrines of demons." I urge to get on your knees repent and ask the father to draw you closer to the son. He is the way the truth and the life.
@@Psalm34rws Roger, now now let's not act like a typical Catholic with personal attacks and name calling. You are better than that. No, NO MAN past, present or in the near future has every interpreted the bible all the time correctly. You don't understand '"sola scriptura." It accepts other sources as long as they line up with the bible. Basically, we believe the bible is sufficient. Read Acts. You will see the apostles clearly had disagreements. They even disagreed on who was their leader. My question to you is were the Apostles SAVED because they disagreed on the non-essentials?
@PACOIMARACER Let's see... I'm saved by grace through faith in the perfect atoning sacrifice and resurrection of Jesus. I go to the nations with the power of the Holy Spirit and the authority of Jesus to make disciples, baptize, and teach people to obey the commands of Jesus. Yep... definitely a heretic.
@@Psalm34rws Jesus, in His final moments on earth reminded us that He had all authority in heaven and earth. In this authority, He sent us out to do our most important responsibility until His return. Namely, preach the Gospel to all nations, make disciples of those who believe, baptize them, and teach them to obey the commands of Jesus. This commission was given to individuals. At that time, there was no church, pastor, or priest. It is the responsibility of all those who follow Jesus to do these things, and according to Ephesians 4:11-12 the church and its leadership are responsible to train and equip people to do these great works. Isn't it sad that most believers have taken the authority given to each individual follower by Jesus and handed that authority over to the church. Most of those who call themselves a follower of Jesus will in fact never make a disciple, baptize, or teach obedience. I'm afraid the Roman Catholic Church (and many protestant churches as well) is doing nothing to equip most people to fulfill the Great commission of Jesus.
@@Psalm34rws Hey brother. Matthew 28:18-20 and Acts 1:6-8. Jesus gave his Great Commission to all believers. Based on Matthew 28:17 we know that there were definitely others in attendance besides the 11. There was no church, no presbyter, no priest. In fact there is only one example in the book of Acts where we know who GAVE baptism. Acts 8 shows that Philip, a non-apostle, a non-priest, a non-pastor gave baptism. Try to find one other example in Acts where you see the name of the person who gave baptism. By the way, there were 120 believers who received the Holy Spirit at Pentacost. Among these were both men and women. Very few of them went on to have any official leadership position in the church. Your claim that there are "Holy Orders" to go out and do EV, discipleship, and church planting is absolutely unfounded in the Bible. I am afraid that is a Roman Catholic Church doctrine. And I am sorry that you have given your God-given authority to the church.
If my false claims would have to refuted, I would like Trent to do it because he cares about his opponents and doesn't try ti humiliate them. You can see he knows his stuff.
Trent seems sincere but he is in a false religion spreading a perversion of the gospel. I urge anyone caught in this web of lies to read your bible. Just about every Catholic I know does not read the bible. Do not end up being one of them.
@@danielbarzay461 Yes, very few if any catholics and their priests read the bible. One of my lifelong Catholic friends who is treasurer of the knights of columbus told me the same thing you stated. I said ok I would like to attend a bible study with your church/priest. He then came back with our priests are too busy doing the sacraments to study the bible and our church does not offer adult bible studies. Very suspect right? Why dont they want the bible to be read? Just think please think and read the bible.
Thank you for making these videos. I am a protestant, but I wanted to understand Catholicism from a Catholic POV. It's so easy to only focus on our differences, but we are so similar in more ways than I thought.
Thank you for being open to understanding us! People may not agree, but you should know what things mean in Catholicism and not from someone who does not know what the faith is (i.e., he is "interpreting" his own view of the faith).
I'm a Mormon but I love Catholicism. It's the foundation every Christian church stems from. It's not hyperbolic to say that Christianity is the foundation of the West and that Catholicism was the first brick.
It always puzzled me why anyone would believe that God would be limited to just what's in the bible. Add to the fact that the bible never says he is . What really got me to accept Catholicism was when I heard someone say, "The church created the Bible. The Bible didn't created the church"
The church didn’t “create the bible” so thats a stupid reason to accept Catholicism. And nobody is saying God is only limited to just whats in the bible. The whole point is that God has given his word,(scripture), so the only possible way you can confirm a claim by the church, is by referencing it to scripture. Not a “it is true because the church says so” type thing
The church was created after years of Jewish history and writing. Yeah, the church put the New Testament together but they didn't put the Bible together.
the problem with this is why should the present Catholic church have any more authority than anyone else? they don't have access to any knowledge (unless they're keeping things secret) that isn't available to anyone else. the only thing they have is a claim to authority, but if one doesn't already recognise them, why would you accept that?
@@RichardHunter-qr4hw The author should always have more authority over the interpretation of his writings than anyone else. That's why they're called authors. They have the authority. The Catholic church is the author of the scriptures.
Joanna Berens the Roman. Arrojo. Birch is an institution created by men and run like an enterprise . It is not the true church. It is not the bride of Christ.
Matt 10:2 calls Peter "The First" although chronologically, John and Andrew were "first"...…...hmmm, makes you wonder why Matthew called Peter the First in Matt 10:2 :)
To select one issue: St. Athanasius didn't believe in Sola Scriptura. He said that in debating Arians, Scripture was only used insofar as to defend its honor/the orthodox understanding, and not as if it was necessary or the only sole recourse. "But, beyond these sayings [of Scripture], let us look at the very tradition, teaching, and faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning, which the Lord gave, the Apostles preached, and the Fathers kept." _To Serapion_ 1:28, after citing passages about the deity of the Holy Ghost "But after him and with him are all inventors of unlawful heresies, who indeed refer to the Scriptures, **but do not hold such opinions as the saints have handed down,** and receiving them as the traditions of men, err, because they do not rightly know them nor their power." _Festal Letter_ 2:6 "But since they allege the divine oracles [Scripture] and force on them a misinterpretation, **according to their private sense,** *it becomes necessary to meet them just so far as to vindicate* these passages, and to show that they bear an orthodox sense, and that our opponents are in error ..." _Discourse Against the Arians_ 1:37 "how many Fathers can ye assign to your [Arian] phrases?" _De Decretis_ 27
Ave Christus Rex The doctrine of Sola Scriptura allows us to appeal to other authorities, but it's are not to be the final authority, since Holy Scripture alone is infallible (2 Tim 3:16). Tradition as I know it to be is basically the Gospel as St. Paul states in his epistles and even specifically as St. Irenaeus and Tertullian what was to be the Apostles creed. What tradition consists of later on at the time of St. Athanasius if I'm correct doesn't contradict Holy Scripture, some of the practices are the sign of the cross.
@Zachary Trent So with what you have said, would you agree St. Irenaeus view of tradition as he described it to be as the Apostles Creed? It's basically the Gospel, it agrees with Scripture since it's derived from it. Also, tradition consists of customs and practices of the Church, which Scripture doesn't mention but it's not a huge deal.
@@reformedcatholic457 "The doctrine of Sola Scriptura allows us to appeal to other authorities, but it's are not to be the final authority, since Holy Scripture alone is infallible (2 Tim 3:16)." That's what Protestants claim, yes, and yet when you cite the unanimous tradition that baptism is how you become born again, that 'doesn't comport with Scripture.' You can't have Tradition judged by Scripture if it comes from the same persons. That's why it can't work. Tradition has equal authority because it came from the same authority: the apostles taught, and some wrote, some didn't. What was written was written with chosen words. But not all that was taught was written down. "Hold fast to the things which were handed on to you, whether taught orally or written in one of our epistles." What the apostles taught orally might not have - or may even have been - in the words chosen by God. However, their teaching on doctrine to the whole church is most certainly 100% infallible, true, and equally authoritative. Because it is "not the word of men, but the Word of God."
+Ave Christus Rex: Athanasius also used the Greek Septuagint which had the 7 Deuterocanonical books, so even if he taught sola Scriptura (which he didn't), protestants don't even have the right version.
At 71 years old I have had my share of talks with Protestants. I converted to Catholicism in 1970. But I am weary with all these debates/ arguments. Some three months ago the Mormons came knocking on my door. About three times a year, the Jehovah Witnesses come knocking. My brother is in the Church of Christ and says the Catholic C is an abomination unto God, but he gets into arguments with our Pentecostal relatives. Actually it's simple: Non-Catholic denominations and Catholics are at polar opposites. We have two opposite premises (a starting belief). What is the basis of your belief in Jesus Christ? The non-C says it's a no brainer. Of course the basis is the Bible. What else can there be? The Catholic says it's the church. Only the church has the authority to interpret the Bible. The Bible is a great extension of the church. Centuries ago the non-C grasps the Bible. Holds it up and says - This is our obly authority! The Catholic C says - No, we have the rifht to interpret scripture. So, why we Catholics allow ourselves to have a debate according to non-Catholic (protestant) rules? To prove everything by the Bible. Indeed, all Catholic positions can be proven by the Bible - but often not to the satisfaction of the non-C. We Catholics researve the right ti follow the Catholuc Church's interpretation. It is our starting premise of our faith. We don't need to apologize to the non-C to the point that we get into debates using their rules. Kung Fu fighter and boxer get into the ring. It is announced these two are champions of their sport. The Kung Fu fighter is surprised to learn before the bell that he is only to fight by boxing rules. If the non- C wants to ridicule us by saying we are afraid of the Bible, fine. And if we don't have an answer duri g the debate, fine. We can direct the non-C to books and websites that are better at explaining. Debates are entertaining at best but seldom is there a clear winner, and even if so, the winner is not necessarily right.
@@MW-eg4gu Biblically the church is the body of believers. The word does not instruct us to join or follow an institution to be saved. We are not told to listen to men in costumes performing rituals. Do not follow me or my church follow Christ. Do it now for the time is at hand.
"Martin Luther it is upon you that I will build my church. You will use only the canon of scripture as your source of authority and all who come after will interpret it any way they feel." Something Jesus never said.
Well according to sound protestant doctrine I can interpret scripture anyway I want since there is no instructions on how to do it. Oh you don't agree with my interpretation., well too bad.
@@jacobschuler2591 No, you use the clear scripture to interpret the unclear passages. The reason you have Catholicism, is because people did what you proposed in jest. They scripture and just took things out of context and it's snowballed into the Roman Catholic Church. And now, when Catholic Doctrine doesn't agree with scripture, it doesn't matter to the catholic church, because the catholic church is really the authority... that's no way to treat God's word. The Catholic person that truly knows the Bible should not remain a Catholic for long.
Hey guys, can I first say that Protestants and Catholics are not at war; we actually have much in common. I also think it’s helpful and healthy to find some humor in ourselves. Would you both agree? As a Protestant I agree with Trent and find it funny/ironic that many of Mike’s comments could also refute his own stance as Trent pointed out. I must also admit the humor I found in your question “where does it say...” since your position appears to be on the side that you don’t need to know the Bible. It only makes sense that someone arguing against “sola scriptura” would ask that question. I apologize, but I had to laugh out loud at the irony... you have to agree it was cute. All joking aside, I’ll give you 3 passages to read. There are many passages that both Catholic and Protestant biblical scholars could give you, but if you read Psalm 119:11, 2 Timothy 2:15, and Acts 17:11 you will find purpose, approval and nobility in studying and knowing God’s Word. Lastly, many Protestants don’t have a problem with Peter’s position among the apostles and they often refer to his sermon on the day of Pentecost found in Acts 2. I also find it funny yet encouraging that a lowly fisherman like Peter would preach a sermon so strongly based upon scriptural prophecy from Isaiah 44, Joel 2 and Psalms 110, as well as, from John the Baptist’s preaching “repent and be baptized for the remission of sins” found in verse 38. I pray that you find wisdom in the scriptures that will give you firm reason and foundation for your faith and testimony to others. May God richly bless and keep you strong in the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ. Amen.
This cat can spend 52 weeks explaining the difference between Catholic theology vs Protestant theology. There are between 30K-65K different Protestant denominations so whose Protestant theology is he going to use?
1) Can you clarify with examples? 2) Explain to me the Catholic concept of indulgences. 3) Nope! 4) It’s the only universal and apostolic church. 5) Even Martin Luther and Calvin couldn’t agree on the meaning of scripture passages so Sola scriptura (scripture alone) is easily debateable.
Sage of Synergism Sir. There is so much i could write but I just don’t have the energy right now and there is nothing I could say to change your mind on your view. I could quote documents, scriptures and church fathers but I don’t think it would matter. We should just stay united and fight modernism. God bless!
@@SterlingJames oh God, thank you. I was ready to call them all heretics and be done with it. Thank you brother for your example. I shall endeavor to turn the other cheek
I am writing from Indonesia. This pastor once went camping and found the bible somebody had left in the jungle. He got amazed, upon learning it, without knowing whose book it had been, for what purpose it had been written for. So, he comes up with his own mind and he claims himself as the authority. I find this pastor giving his talk like a magician does, with so much zeal, but without good reasoning, he does not even do good research.
Thank you so much for these videos, Trent. I am Protestant and had watched Mike's video first, but many of the arguments felt shallow. I am learning a lot and have much respect for the Catholic faith. Thank you too for being so honoring in the way you present your rebuttal.
"you would never read the bible and come up with that doctrine" Mike, Mike, Mike. This happens when you take a Catholic book and decapitate it from the faith from which it came. Open your bible to the table of contents. This too is a doctrine that you hold, an infallible belief, that your Old Testament has 39 writings, and your New Testament has 27. Yet, you would never ever come up with THAT doctrine either reading the bible. Yet you do. And that's just ONE of your beliefs ... new ones only the last 500 years of Christianity.
I always find it interesting how protestants always find a way to insult Catholicism in literally the worst way possible. If that isn't a red flag then I don't know what is, coming from the "righteous" religion. Does anyone else get that negative vibe or what?
@@paradisecityX0 I know you wanna get content material bro lol. But Winger needs to be called out and Capturing Christianity, Whaddo you meme, IP, Trinity Radio and the rest of the crowd are already going after atheists.
This is fantastic. Trent Horn is one of the people that had a great influence on my turning from Protestantism to Catholicism. I was a seminary trained Protestant getting my Masters at Fuller Seminary. I got my PhD at the same school as James White attended, although I don't consider it a legitimate PhD as it is not an accredited school; but it was 2 years of hard study. But I listened to Steve Ray's conversion story and I saw many intellectual Protestants converting to Catholicism (Marcus Grodi, Dr. Francis Beckwith, John Henry Newmann, Dr. David Anders, Dr. Scott Hahn, Dr. John Bergsma etc. etc.) When I saw Trent Horn explain how Protestants claims about Catholicism are dead wrong it gave me pause. I couldn't respond to Trent's claims. And Mike Winger cannot respond to Trent's claims. All Winger did was take a small part of what Trent stated and claimed that Trent did not represent Catholic teaching in that one are of minutia. Winger left 99% of what Trent responded with unchallenged. I believe that if one watches all of Trent's videos it will be difficult not to become Catholic. I would also suggest listening to Dr. David Anders on a radio show named "Called to Communion." These fellows do not give one time hit jobs regarding Protestantism, they systematically show where Protestants misrepresent Catholicism and they show you the sources that you can read for yourselves. I am glad I came across Trent's polite and thorough rebuttals to help me finally come home to the Catholic Church.
Dear Steve, My name is Marcell and I am a cradle Roman Catholic. I am so humbled from your testimonie. I am so glade you are able to have all the sacraments and the holy communion. The holy Eucharist. Father Pio once said the earth can exist without the sun, but can't exist without the Holy Eucharist. In our times we need to protect the priesthood. Without the priesthood no Holy Eucharist. God bless you, your work and your family. Welcome to the faith. Welcome home.
I used to listen to mike winger and really took this video of his to heart. It wasn’t until pastor Francis Chan talked about his change on his view of the Eucharist. I couldn’t believe and after reading through much of church history and church fathers, i am now seriously considering becoming Catholic.
@@andrevaca6700 Suggest watching Dr Brant Pitre's video (or the book), Jesus and the Jewish Roots of the Eucharist. Dr Pitre covers the Old Testament prefigurements of the New Testament fulfillment. Protestants going to a bible college, never hear of it, at least not that I've read or heard. Keep in mind, in the Eucharist, we receive the resurrected Christ, a means for receiving his Grace. How could ALL Christians have been wrong for 1500+ years? Also read the Catechism so that you know exactly what the Catholic Church teaches. RCIA, the class for those interested in joining the Church, is starting in the next couple of weeks in most parishes. God's blessings on your journey. ruclips.net/video/P45BHDRA7pU/видео.htmlsi=tf1LbV-gB6S8UoMk
Trent, your apologia for the Catholic faith is slowing working on my heart. It just makes so much sense! I'm also tired of trying to figure it all out by myself, and I think of the passage in the Book of Proverbs, "do not rely on your own insight." (Proverbs 3:5). May God guide me into all truth, which my soul yearns for. God bless you Trent. Amen.
Scott Hahn has some really great videos where he talks about many of the same theological issues protestants struggle with on his channel St. Paul center.
@@EmberBright2077 so they are to come up with their own interpretation, then look for a church that meets all those criteria? or they should probably start their own church in the local community center. That is how you get many thousands of protestant denominations, and fractures all of Christianity just a little bit more. Your comment sounds so rude, Why are protestants so bitter? I don't think Jesus wants everyone to make up their own rules as they go along...that's why he made the catholic church.
Lean not on your own understanding, just let the Pope tell you what you should know. Just remember, that for hundreds of years they fought to keep the scriptures out of the hands of people who were not in the clergy.
@@sammcrae8892 Nonsense. Sacred Scripture was painstakingly hand-copied by monks for centuries. Bibles were therefore extremely rare and valuable, and possessed by the clergy who created them and the very wealthy who could afford to buy them. Most people in the world were illiterate, anyway, so what would they have done with a Book? For most of Church history, the Faith was preserved and propagated by oral tradition and audiovisuals such as hymns, stained glass windows, statues, icons, Nativity scenes and the Passion re-enactment.
Thank you Trent for doing this. These "pastors" tell you that the Church has no authority and then they turn around and interpret scripture as if he himself has authority to interpret scripture. What a hypocrisy!
If you read the bible, you'll see that time and time again, Israel's leaders let the people down. Instead of repenting and ritually cleansing the way God gave them through the priests and the temple, they repeatedly lead the people of God astray; adding to teachings false things, and even worshiping false gods. That's why God exiled them. The point is, we can't trust our leaders to always be correct or have the best for us in mind. That's obviously true even just studying the history of the Catholic Church. God knows our limitations, so He gave us HIS WORD so that we may know it, and know Him. He knows we may interpret some things wrong here and there... but His grace is enough to cover that, and may His Spirit correct us and guide us as we follow Him. "The Church" is the body of Christ. The body of Believers. If you are a believer, you have The Spirit, and God will reveal truth to you more and more as you seek it through His word. I know this firsthand. But if you sit back, and assume that the Catholic Church knows everything you need to know, so you'll just trust them, well, you will be lead astray, and you wont have the discernment or wisdom needed to even know that you're being lead astray.
Christian_Gamer_Guy How? If one "body of believers" believes that baptism is one thing and another "body of believers" believes that baptism is the complete opposite they both can't be right. Certainly Christ did not leave us orphaned to flounder around. Therefore as Christ teaches take it to the Church or in the worlds of Saint Paul the Church is the pillar and foundations of truth. With that said, the Church is not a hotel for saints but, a hospital for sinners. Yes, there are bad leaders that doesn't destroy the deposit of faith. Christ guaranteed that the gates of hell will not prevail that doesn't mean the gates of hell won't try. BTW, as human beings we always stress the negative and down play the positive. There are plenty of good leaders in our Church that I look too. Everyone looks at scripture through a lens as you just did. I just prefer to look through the lens as handed down through the centuries to us from Christ and the apostles.
@@2005wsoxfan "Certainly Christ did not leave us orphaned to flounder around." Right, we have been given the bible so that we may know what we need to know. "deposit of faith." Huh? "BTW, as human beings we always stress the negative and down play the positive." False doctrine that teaches about a Christ who's blood is not sufficient to cleanse us is pretty important to stress. " I just prefer to look through the lens as handed down through the centuries to us from Christ and the apostles." I prefer to look through the lens of scripture, and adjust my understanding of the difficult things in it as I continue to grow in knowledge and understanding of the easier to understand parts.
Christian_Gamer_Guy You are making a big assumption that of the false doctrine of Sola Scriptura. Where does the Bible teach the idea of we believe by the "bible alone"? If Jesus wanted us to believe by the Bible alone why didn't he write anything down? He doesn't even tell his disciples go forth and write manuscripts. Some do but not all. Luke and Mark are not one of the 12 why are they in the Bible? Who made that determination? There wasn't even a printing press for 1500 years after Christ. Bibles were laboriously hand written and very expensive. Very few Bibles were in private hands. It's Martin Luther that gave us Sola Scriptura a doctrine found nowhere in the Bible and a doctrine that has lead to over 50,000 denominations and splintering all claiming they have the correct interpretation of scripture. However I do see where scripture does point to the Church the very Church that collected, protected, canonized, and distributed and properly interpreted by her. For example, how do you know by the Bible alone that John wrote John or Mathew wrote Mathew. Likewise Luke or Mark. The only way we know is because the Church says so. How about the doctrine of the Trinity where is that explicitly taught in scripture? How about marriage between one man and one woman? Where's that in scripture? How about abortion? Where's that in scripture? Stem cell research? I can go on. I know abortion, polygamy etc is wrong because the Church says so. Did you even watch this?
Alex Hage. Mike is a dear Christian man and not pathetic. He represents numerous Protestant pastors and "seperated brethren" who do not know the complete deposit of Faith. The Catholic Faith is "a pearl of great price". Give thanks that God has revealed the Faith to you. Pray that all convert to "The First Church of Christ".
@@marccrotty8447 pathetic means arousing pity in the observer. That is a fitting description. Winger obviously put in a great deal of time and effort in building his case, but still made basic factual errors that could have been easily prevented if he wasn't either arguing in bad faith or a sloppy and ill informed historian and theologian. He is pathetic. I pity him.
I wouldn't say that it is pathetic. Instead, i believe that talking to and learning from an educated and well-versed Catholic (like Trent) would have been better than learning "why Catholics are wrong". There have been times when i realized how much nuance, connotation, and detail really matter. And this video is a perfect example of that. I also have realized that i cannot learn about something by watching videos and lectures by the OPPONENTS. Instead, i should first watch such videos from believers/supporters of that something and THEN watch the counter argument. The problem, i am afraid, is that one could spend a lifetime and still not know everything. A man or woman could devote years to studying one religion, decades studying other religions, and then centuries comparing and contrasting them to find out which one is right. It's just too much. A man has bills to pay, things to learn, jobs to tend, family to care for, and, frankly, life to live. One cannot stop everything and devote his whole life to such an epic quest. I think it all boils down to something pretty simple: there is one God who made everything. He sent his only begotten son Yeshua/Joshua/Jesus the Christ who is the Savior of Mankind. The Holy Ghost dwells within believers. Do your best to follow His Law, to be patient and kind, to be humble yet strong, to be an example of a person with standards (or a "goal"). Don't talk about vulgar things, don't belittle people and call them names, don't be a hypocrite, and don't judge people by standards that you, yourself, do not meet because you will be judged by those same standards and you don't want to be a hypocrite with double standards. And last but not least, worship God. Praise Him. Honor Him. Do not provoke his wrath. Do not slander his name by mingling it with foul speech. Do not make blasphemous jokes about God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Ghost, or His heralds.
Trent thanks for your time and energy to do this and for your gift of knowledge and for your guidance, I love your videos. My son has also come back to the church in the past few months and always watches your channel. Thank you for standing up for our beautiful Catholic Church. God bless.
I've never quite understood how "you are the rock upon which I will build my church" can be misunderstood, or be anything except what it obviously means.
Because when Protestants want the bible to mean something that it doesn't, they have to do Olympic level mental gymnastics and scriptural torture to make something mean what they want it to. They say "The Rock in Matthew 16:18 can mean ANYTHING but Peter."
51:00-51:35 LETS GO TRENT! I love you man this is so true. Protestants claim their pieced together interpretation of scripture 2000 years after Christ is more valid than the living witnesses of Christ and the disciples interpretations which created the catholic doctrines!
Protestants want to know the truth. It's tough because we are taught that because Jesus calls himself the Door and the Good Shepherd. These are both metaphors and Jesus is neither an actual door nor is He an actual sheep herder. So it becomes tough when Jesus says bread is His body and wine is His blood. These are metaphors, too. Then, the explanation about accidents is confusing. Still, I believe that Jesus is present in Communion or the Eucharist. And there does seem to be more that Jesus and Paul say to indicate that the body and blood of Jesus are the blessed bread and wine. Then, we see Jesus giving his blessed mother to John and John alone-- no one else just as Peter and only Peter was given special authority over all the elders. So is the Blessed Virgin Mary our mother? I feel that this is true but Protestants worry about asking Mary--or anyone who has passed on into heaven-- to pray for us. Still, yet I do understand the reason this is fine. But, we are taught to go straight to God through Jesus so as not to be confused about who saves us. Also, I get that a statue is ok. However, BOWING to a statue( not merely kissing it) is the actual definition of idolatry. This is a problem. Please understand the struggles Protestants do have. We both worship Jesus as Our Saviour. AND WE LOVE OUR CATHOLIC BRETHREN AS YOU LOVE US.
I don't understand why these preachers spend so much time bashing Catholicism even if it wasn't the truth. We Catholics spend our Sunday sermons preaching about the gospel and how to live a Christian life, not ranting about Mormons for example
Justin It is very disconcerting that some Protestants spend so much time bashing the Church. I agree with you 100%. We Catholics attend Mass to worship God and learn how to conform our lives to being like Jesus. I watch these informative videos to gain a better understanding of what nonCatholics erroneously declare as “truth.” I tried having “discussions” with my nonCatholic relatives several years ago and got nowhere. They simply refused to be open minded, use reason and logic in assessing my facts and arguments and again and again declared I was simply wrong and they were right. Period! So.....I wiped the dust from my feet and moved on. I’m always reminded of something I once heard.... not all Catholics go to Heaven, but everyone in Heaven is Catholic. There are no splits, no differences, no heresy, only ONENESS in Heaven.
26:27 I gave Trent a hard time in the comments section of a rebuttal he did of a gentleman named Josh. But I gotta say he's got me seeing something here in Luke's account of the argument among the Apostles as to who would be greatest. The passage speaks to a hierarchy of authority ("and the one who rules..") ..yet unlike the gentiles a position not to be served, but to serve ("..like the one who serves"). Christ's word immediately following that Peter was uniquely in the crosshairs of the enemy, and when recovered should strengthen his brethren lends context to the passage previous which spoke to the question of the nature of the office of he who would be greatest, and ruler among them. The only question I would have for Trent is "why, if Mat 16 is clear that Peter was given primacy, does this argument even come up? But I like what Trent is saying here. I'm a Protestant..but I gotta admit I feel like he showed me something here I didnt see b4. Thnx Trent
@@concrete3030 That doesnt quite do it for me. It seems more like they are mutually exclusive texts that can't be reconciled..which I'm fine with actually. I dont believe the Bible is infallible so contradictions dont faze me
I truly hope so. The problem is that some Protestants struggle to accept truth, not because of the intellectual problems with Catholicism, but because they rely on their denominations and churches for money, they're worried about their family life, or are too attached to their presuppositions and emotional dispositions.
You are all full of hate towards pastor Mike, because it hurts to see him speak the truth. You keep blaming him, without having the slightest idea if he watched the video or not
Sorry, a humble servant doesn’t accept the titles that aren’t his. “Holy Father”, “vicar of Christ”, and “lamb of God”. Those titles are reserved for the ONLY Father in heaven, the Holy Spirit who in dwells all who are in Christ, and Jesus who IS the lamb of God. Not to mention, he still stands as a mediator between God and man? There is now only one mediator: Jesus!! How is Mary the mediatrix? And all the many popes and priests? And Jesus??? Just one mediator: Jesus!
@Sage of Synergism Let go of your pride. Ray Comfort is a false teacher. He uses his own personal interpretation of scripture to twist it completely out of *context* . He has little to no understanding of Judaism or the time of Christ and couldn't tell "fact" from a "truth". You don't just pick up a Bible, originally composed and translated by the Church in an ancient time and act like you completely understand what's going on. Yes, it's clear and incredible for a collection of ancient and divinely inspired documents, but you don't think the same way as the early Church did. How little faith Protestants have in the power of Christ to scorn his very own Church, and even the very presence of Christ at his weekly banquet. I pray to the Lord, that he rains grace upon your soul and you choose to open your eyes to the truth. God Bless.
@Sage of Synergism Have you actually even watched the videos that Trent has put up? Why would you rather maintain the views you hold? Because they are true according to divine reason, or because they are your views and you have too much pride in your false teachings? I claim that it is because they are according to your psychological predispositions. It's no different than someone, presenting valid arguments, failing to convert an atheist. It's not a problem of the intellect, but of the will. Rebut the facts, or don't comment here and spread your false teachings and teachers.
@Sage of Synergism Why do you believe in the Trinity? It's a dogma of the Church, but it's not explicitly stated in the Bible? You're riding on the coattails of the One True Church. Who translated and compiled the Bible? the One True Church. Truth leads to, and from, Christ and his Church.
@Sage of Synergism Lent and the Sign of the Cross are compliments to the Bible. They're for worship, penance, and sacrifice and lent is an important period leading up to the ultimate sacrifice and resurrection. It's GOOD for us and glorifies God. Just like how they practiced fasting and other traditions in biblical times...something doesn't have to be explicitly stated to be a valuable part of the faith. Idk what you mean by Francis. And not everything he does is infallible, only very specific things a Pope does are infallible. And lastly, we do still give indulgences but many misunderstand them.
Sage of Synergism There is much difference between what is dogma (that part of doctrine which has been divinely revealed and which the Church has formally defined and declared to be believed as revealed), doctrine (all Church teaching in matters of faith and morals - unchangeable) and discipline (instruction, system of teaching or of law, given under the authority of the Church [which] can be changed with the approval of proper authority-changeable). It’s really obvious that you have no understanding of the difference. It all matters and is why Jesus instituted His Church and gave the apostles the authority over it rather than telling people they could interpret the teachings for themselves. The observance of Lent is a discipline in remembrance of the 40 days Jesus spent in the desert praying. It is in preparation for, and observance of, the “Passion of Christ” - His suffering, death and resurrection. Catholics are not the only ones who practice this. As for the sign of the cross, this article gives the history of it dating back to before the Bible was put together. catholicstraightanswers.com/what-is-the-origin-of-the-sign-of-the-cross/
I’m Protestant and I appreciate this video. It’s a big pet peeve of mine when Protestant preachers try to summarize the main beliefs of other religions and denominations, in which pretty much no one who subscribes to those beliefs would agree with. If you’re going to criticize a view you should at the very least be able to produce a summary of those views, that would be affirmed by those who hold such views.
It's interesting that you call Catholicism "other religions". I agree, it is not Christianity. Where, exactly, did Mike say something that was untrue? Because this video sure doesn't reveal that.
Trent, this is the video that really solidified my decision to become Catholic. I was leaning that way and one of my friends sent me the link to Mike Winger's video. I watched it and wanted to see what a Catholic response might be. After watching this video, I felt even more compelled to come home. Thank you for all that you do. Your podcast/RUclips channel has really helped me as I have wrestled through different theological issues!
Trent you are a blessing for the catholic Church, a true blessing! I'm addicted to your podcast and I wish I could find your books or its french translation here is Senegal. You are as clear and accurate as possible. Even tho I think pastor Mike is too easy to expose for a guy like you (smile). BTW, love the Star Wars shirt.
I love your insights. One thing that occurred to me while listening to the discussion on papacy and humility; Peter’s example mimics Christ’s submissive attitude toward His Father. Only those who reject the doctrine of the Trinity would claim Christ is inferior to the Father.
@@geoffjsRight. The doctrine of Sola Scriptura did not even exist prior to the 14th century, when it was introduced by Protestant forerunner, John Wyckliffe. Many current-day Protestants do not abide by this doctrine. Scriptural references disproving Sola Scriptura: John 21:25; John 16:8-9, 12-13 1 Corinthians 11:2 2 Thessalonians 2:15 (The Bible refers to the Church, and not the Bible, as the "pillar and foundation of the truth”)
At age 40 I began the journey from belief in God...to belief in Christ...to Protestantism (multiple churches)...to Catholicism. Here I add my personal experience to Trent's excellent discussion. Mike Winger attempts to contrast "Protestant Doctrine" to Catholic doctrine. In actuality he is contrasting "Winger Doctrine" to Catholic doctrine. In my 20 years as Protestant, with every new church, I had to try to figure out the particular doctrine of that specific pastor/church. Each individual protestant church has its own Authority and its own Doctrine - set forth by the pastor of that congregation. Winger tries to claim the Bible as Authority. But in reality, it is Winger's interpretation of the Bible that becomes Authority. Thus, the growing number of Protestant churches/denominations all vying for the title "One True Church." Thousands of protestant churches...and...thousands of popes.
GardenLady; My friend all you have to do is, read your Bible day and night and meditate over it Church will not give you answers You ask God directly and keep reading and listening to different people and God will tell you which one is correct If you read the history of Popes, how they prostituting the church in ancient time and begetting children, you will be ashamed to read it. Now Read your Bible it says Jesus is our Savior and Jesus Christ told us to Pray to the Father in my (Jesus') Name And read the Revelation 17 THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH
@@childofgod4862 You make my point. Thank you. Many people, many Bibles...many Gods? If it were as easy as you explain, God would tell each person the same thing, thus eliminating the need for 40,000 different churches disputing what God told each of them.
@@gardenladyjimenez1257 These different denomination churches comes up because of different doctrine people believe RCC is run by Elite Go listen to recent Pope who make outrages statements about our Bible Read Revelation chapter 17 THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH Who is this? Compare the whole chapter with RCC God bless you!
I have been Protestant my whole life and struggled with doubt and anger toward God. Recently after fleeing God for so long I have felt called back. Because I wanted to perform my due diligence, I have really researched everything I think relevant to become secure in my faith; I started with the existence of God and that led to the search for a spiritual home. Eventually I found the Catholic church and have been very happy finding the doctrinal beliefs of the Catholic faith resonate with my ideals. My issue is that I have been married twice (to the same woman) and divorced twice to that woman, now remarried to my true partner and wife. Unless I can get the previous marriages nullified, I can't become Catholic and I am fearful of that. At any rate, thank you for your content!
@@FullDottle This doesn't pend on you becoming Catholic or not. In the Catholic church God still considers you married to your wife, even though you could have been divorced through civil law. You can be catholic and attend mass regardless. You only need to go to RCIA to be confirmed to get the Eucharist. The Catholic church is the one true Church Jesus started. I would encourage you call into Catholic Answers and ask your questions. They are live daily in the afternoon/evenings
I usually don't like to use this argument against people, but Mike gets emotional and slightly sarcastic whenever he talks about Catholic stuff and it's a real turn off to hearing anything he has to say. He seems more bothered by Catholics than atheists. This was a great video, thanks for the content!
Problem with Protestant mentality is they don't know or can't comprehend the Jewish understanding of the High Priest who sits on the Seat of Moses, which is where the Papacy comes from. So of course there's things that weren't written in excess because the early church was following the traditions of Jewish customs. Dr Brant Pitre did a book but also a talk on the Jewish roots of the papacy, if protestants dared to actually read / look into this in-depth they'd realise the papacy is infact biblical and why the early church didn't have to be explicit in terms.
If the Bible is the inerrant word, it is unfortunate that it does not make crystally clear, in completely unambiguous language, the question of the perpetual virginity of Mary, particularly since this claim is so central in Catholicism. A real omission on God's part, one might say. Protestants win on this one, I think.
The Church Fathers are the Fathers of the Church just as Joseph was the father of Jesus. He wasn't the one who created, conceived, or birthed Jesus, but Joseph was the one who raised Jesus.
Time for us Catholics to go FULL OFFENSIVE! No more will we stand and roll over for the errors of the Protestants! Go out into the world baptising them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit! And that we shall do!
It's going to be hard to do that with the Pope Francis's focus on ecumenism. But I'm with you. One True Church with the Fullness of Christ's Teaching and the power of the Sacraments means we must proselytize not ecuminize
Interesting talk, but still respectfully disagree. My biggest gripe with the Roman Catholic Church, they basically say “Jesus isn’t enough for salvation, you need all this these other doctrines and traditions too.” Paul was clear in Galatians, am I pleasing man, or God? If any man gets in the way of you coming to God, wether that be a priest, pastor, elder or whatever, organization or group, then it’s not the gospel. Your salvation is between you and God, and any church or man that would say “you need my approval first.” Is not only unbiblical, but wicked.
@Qwerty If Jesus alone isn't enough, why do I need the roman church and it's traditions? Isn't a full trust of Christ alone enough for eternal life? Or, it is Christ plus other stuff is being required?
@Qwerty So instead of responding to my question you just insult me? If I'm wrong, then correct me, I'm always open to learn. From your world view, which I can only assume is from a roman catholic perspective, conciliation with God, Is it by Jesus alone, or Jesus +.
@Qwerty Firstly, thanks for pointing out I said disrespectfully, I meant respectfully, but this is what happens when you watch youtube at 1 am, my apologies. Let's keep name calling out of it, ad hominems aren't an argument. To your first response, yes, I am learning about it, that's why I listened to the talk, because I like to hear all sides of a debate, so I can learn. Do I believe we have a license to sin? No. If I had that attitude I wouldn't love Christ. "If you love me, you'll keep my commandments." Anyone who's a follower of Christ, who's believed and been reconciled through faith, has a new self, and doesn't want to keep on sinning, out of love for Christ and a desire for righteousness. 1 John 3 and many of Paul's letters are extremely clear in his letter's, since we've been freed from, then we shouldn't be living in or practicing sin. Do I think the Bible is necessary. Yes. How else do we come to know God? If I want to know him, I want to know what he said, and what others said about him. We test truth with scripture as the foundation. Also I never said the sacraments arn't needed, Baptism, the Eucharist, these are Biblical and we are commanded by God to do so. My question again, asking a presumably catholic, I am a sinner, what must I do to be saved?
@Qwerty Thanks for responding, see I would agree, to a certain extent. But see, this is my issue, "sacramentally ordained priests that administer the sacrament, (body and blood of Christ.) So now there's a man, that I have to get through, to come to Christ. Now I have to seek the approval of men in order to receive full salvation. That might seem like a small thing, but it's not the gospel and Paul warns us about that. When the jailer in Acts 16: 30 asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” In Ephesians 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation-- having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise. Or Romans 10:9 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. Baptism, communion, fellowship with other believers, these are responses from obedience Because we are saved, not to be saved. No practice or tradition can make us reconsidered to God, only faith in Christ. The thief on the cross, neither baptized nor took communion, but recognized who Jesus was, repented of his sins, and called Jesus his Lord. Jesus in turn promises him paradise, that day. That is the faith that was once and for all delivered to the saints. It's saying I am incomparable of reconciling myself to God, that's only something God did himself, and finished it on the cross. The early Roman church was a blessing, as were the early fathers, but believe it went astray, and the Roman church began preaching a different gospel and focused on man made traditions more than God's truth.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry You seemed confused. Ill give you two analogy to differentiate Redemption from Salvation. Jesus died for all men this is redemption, he redeemed the world. do you agree? If you agree that REDEMPTION IS FOR ALL then we move on and i have a another question. Supposed there are only 2 types of people on earth, sinners and true christians. Since Jesus redeemed the world, are the two type of people going to be saved or is it only the christians? I guess you would say that the christians would be save but not the sinners.. So what DID THE CHRISTIANS DO TO BE SAVED? What WORK DID THEY DO TO BE SAVED? They must have done something in order to be saved, right? So in this essence, even though redemption is for all, salvation is a choice each person has to make. Now here is another analogy that best explains eph 2:8-10. Supposed am God and you are a man.. Am good and because I love you i will give you a gift..lets call this gift eternal life..you dont have to do anything to earn it, it is a gift from me to you. But you still have to trust me for you to open your hand to accept that gift, right? You believe in me and then you open your hand is work! This is called faith and baptism, the initial stage of salvation process And for this gift to be in your hand always, you have to keep holding it..holding is a work..you have to keep working because now you are created in Jesus to do good works or you can just throw that gift away by commiting mortal sins because you dont want to hold it anymore, with that you have just thrown the gift of eternal life. But then you realized you really wanted that gift and ask me to give it back to you..this is reconciliation or confession. Through the course of your life by your own freewill you ask me to give you the gift, and you also throw it away time and again. But of course there will come a time that i will have enough of what you are doing so I will just respect whatever you want, if you want the gift in your hand or not, i will respect that. When will that be? On the day of your death, judgement will come..if you are holding the gift of eternal life when you die, that gift will be yours forever or if you have thrown your gift when you die, you have lost it forever. Does any of what I said make sense???
Pastor Mike Winger is at least talking about the pillar which you hardly ever hear from sola scriptura types. I pray that he will be open to the Holy Spirit and dive deeper into history and church history than he apparently has here. I recommend G.K. Chesterton's Orthodoxy and The Everlasting Man. Also, John Henry Newman's Apologia Pro Vita Sua.
I think it’s absolutely hilarious how in Protestant church’s they going around teaching how oh Catholics are so unbiblical Mormons are so unbiblical Jehovahs witnesses are so unbiblical like no one else does that except Protestant church’s. When you go to a Catholic Mass it’s focused around God and praising him not trying to prove someone else wrong. And that would be reason number one I’m joining the Catholic Church
When people share the gospel truth it's because they care. Peter NEVER went to Rome as Catholic tradition claims. Every time they meant Rome, they said Rome, except in Revelation, when God gave to John visions of the future. Symbolism is used throughout that book, because of its content about the Pagan Roman Empire and its future collapse. So, many symbols were used because it spoke of the fall of the Empire and Emperors, which by the way, is also where the seat of the Beast/Whore/ Harlot church would gain power and rise up after that system . The one and only time Babylon is used is by Peter, and it was Babylon, Egypt not Rome. If Paul, who became one of the apostles at a later time, and who was the strongest opponents against paganism, said Rome in his epistles, common sense says Peter would have no problem saying Rome either. So stop believing the lies. God is NOT the author of confusion! Many protestant churches have been corrupted. The Harlot has her many "daughters" as God's word says, and are under the judgment of God, not all, but many. COME OUT OF HER, GOD SAYS. Rev. 18:4 The Catholic Church's false claim stand and fall on those two beliefs... that Peter "supposedly" was the rock the church was built on, yet, the church is the "body of Christ, not the body of "Peter" a mere man. The bible clearly says in many, many places that Christ was and is that ROCK. The Roman Catholic Church stands or falls on two false doctrines.... Peter being who Christ actually was, and the ridiculous claim that Peter went to Rome and became a pope! Lies, Lies lies!! In Acts 17 Paul says the Bereans were more noble, BECAUSE THEY SEARCHED THE SCRIPTURE...." They didn't go ask any "church fathers" is this so? NO! they dug in to see if what Paul taught was true. Paul never called himself a "Father of the Church." He felt as a father toward Timothy, whom he'd known as a youth, and Titus etc. but NEVER TOOK and held a blasphemous title of Holy Father." NO ONE went any Apostle and said, " Father forgive me, for I have sinned!" Get to studying or continue your blasphemous beliefs! Your choice!!
@@spirit-walkerwaters4521 Your opinion!! The holy Spirit guides His Church, not the tens of thousands of protestant sects that have differing opinions that oppose each other. Is the holy Spirit confused? Common sense!!
@@Lena-sk5xh To be fair, I was being silly, pretending that the OP was saying the opposite of what he was. I don't think Trent is ignorant, I think it's worse than that. I think Trent is knowingly teaching false things. If he's read God's word (and I'm sure he has), then he should know better. He seems to be ok with intentionally twisting scripture/truth so that things fit within his worldview, instead of allowing truth to change his world view. He then puts himself under more judgement and teaches others his twisting, that they might be led astray. He might not be consciously deceiving people on purpose, but the result is the same. This is why we have God's word and His Holy Spirit within us so that we can check our teachers and know whether or not they are sound.
You either believe what God says, or you believe yourself instead. The only way you can understand the Bible is if you have received the author, the Holy Spirit. The only way you can receive the Holy Spirit is to obey the gospel that saves - the gospel of this church age (1 Cor 15:1-4)- you have to trust it. Most people, especially Protestants, only believe it in vain. They have not become born again, even though they may often hear the preaching of the gospel! It is because they have not applied it to themselves personally. They are still blind. They too, are in it for pleasing men, not God! No church can save you - only Jesus Christ! It's a personal relationship with Him - God draws you to Him if you surrender your beliefs and humbly ask God to open your understanding. Myself, I had to surrender my pride in my good works. I asked God to forgive my UNBELIEF and that is when the Holy Spirit began to minister to me. It's a miracle!!! He lead me to understanding the scriptures better and that I need to trust what happened at the cross and that there is no other way God can forgive my sins!!! Salvation has nothing to do with your perfect church attendance! If you need an institution (or any religion) to interpret the Bible for you, then you are spiritually dead and on your way to hell. That is not fruit of the Spirit. The reason why most people do not receive the Holy Spirit is because they are spiritually blind to God's Word. They do not believe it for what it says. They PREFER to have a learned-council that uses logic and philosophy to come up with doctrine. God is not in that!!! Remember, God gives grace to the humble. He does not help the "wise". Fools tend to have a better chance! Jesus wants us to come to Him and believe on Him (John 6:35) like AS a little child (not when you are an infant.) Children are more apt to trust God more than adults. I was blind and deaf until age 38 when I read the scriptures and as painful as it was to consider it to be true, I finally surrendered and got saved - all by myself because the Holy Spirit drew me to God. God will not save the prideful and rebellious. You can appear holy to men but God knows your heart. A lot of "good people" are in hell. The sinners who repented and obeyed God are in heaven. You see? What the world says is good or evil is way different than what God says!!! Please, I warn you, please consider this! If you can't understand God's word, then ask God to minister to you. He hearkens to a humble and contrite heart! Not to a heart that seeks to prove your personal beliefs are correct! Jesus called the Pharisees the blind leaders of the blind. If this makes you fuming angry, please know the devil hates comments like mine. The "old me" would have hated this comment - I was loaded with devils even though the world saw me as a "saint". God delivered me of devils when I received His Spirit! I give Him all the praise and glory!!!
"No one reading these passages would come to the conclusion that the papacy was true." Actually, it was studying passages like that closely while I was a Protestant that pushed me towards Catholicism. Why? Looking back at the end of John's gospel, Christ says "MY sheep." How many of the sheep belong to Christ? All of them. The whole world is Christ's flock. So when Christ tells Peter specifically to feed His sheep, that encompasses the whole Church. It's also in Matthew how Christ doesn't merely give Peter the key to Heaven, but gives Him the authority to bind and loose laws in Heaven--that's an insane amount of power. No one else in the Bible is given the authority to bind and loose laws in Heaven except Peter and then the rest of the apostles, and we see the apostles swiftly acting to appoint successors in Acts, which shows us where bishops came from.
In the words of rabbi Zilli of Rome, Catholic convert, explaining his views on protestants, he said "why did they wait 1500 years to protest?". It's a historical fact that starting with the Corinthians in AD 80 and then for over 1000 years, all Christian churches acknowkedged and submitted to the authority of the successors of Peter.
Two thousand years later, this young protestant pastor got it all right. The Holy Spirit Jesus promised and poured upon the disciples at Pentacost had been sleeping... and Peter must have lost the key... amazing... But like Trent, I would like to ask this young guy (well you see... he addressed church fathers as "guys"...to show how humble he is) why should I trust HIS interpretations of the bible and later HIS doctrines or sets of beliefs???
A lot of Protestants “Teachers” in their heart know Catholicism is the Fullness of the Truth but there Own Personal Pride of having to Leave what they have built in those so called Church’s won’t let them leave... so what do they do. Yeah deceive their own people and worship a falsehood for their own personal gain.. Disgusting what there doing to GOD
Growing up Protestant, I don't think they have malicious intent at all. It's just a failure to truly examine the history of Catholicism and Protestantism, and continual repetition of sola scriptura that propagates Protestantism. The vast majority of Protestants, including pastors, have very little knowledge of Catholicism. I don't actually remember even MEETING a Catholic until college. (They were surely around, just quiet.) From very young, we were told to believe in the Bible alone. That sticks pretty well because of its simplicity. I didn't convert until I read the early Church history; no going back after that.
ThinkingWest I totally understand and I don’t mean to attack anyone. But, my experience with Protestants are that they are so quick accuse us of things but don’t even think for a second to examine there own theology, kind of like how you mentioned. Hopefully those people come into the fold...
You have a point it is disgusting, but they're people to they can belive what they want even though it's not correct anybody who is anti catholic is anti christian.
In acts 15, Peter literally didn’t end the debate! Paul and Barnabas continued. Then James decided, not Peter! Trent is twisting what it says. There is nothing there that says the others believed Peter made a dogmatic infallible statement. James clearly didn’t think so, Paul and Barnabas didn’t think so.
His newer videos are far better, this is just a very weak link that is starting to become more and more apparent among Protestant scholars. (Protestants try to act like they are more historical and biblically accurate when they are actually not, although they try to, in their own twisted way)
I think demonic influence is strong in the misinformation world against the Catholic Church. Martin Luther probably started it by leaving the door open.
Pastor Michael you are only protesting, you have really nothing to based your arguments on. You have never read the apostolic fathers and Church fathers. That is why you lack truthfulness
When I was Protestant going to a bible church it always kinda made me wonder why the ancient Hebrews had a very distinct and elaborate way of worshiping God and my Sundays felt so distant from that. Every Protestant church I've attended felt distant from that. Its funny because if you look at the Catholic church, it's set up almost in the same manner as the Hebrews were set up. You have the laymen which is much like the regular Jewish people, you have the priesthood which is like the Levites and then the High Priest is like the Pope. The biggest difference is the manner in which sin is delt with... The question I'd have for someone that doesn't think Catholics are correct is why would your sect be correct that probably doesn't look anything like the old system?
I mean that would be purely superficial. Not to mention there are plenty of denominations and even other religions that have more similar models of religious observance.
“I don’t know how to pronounce that guy’s name and I don’t even know what any of that means therefore your argument is false” 🤪 Basically his argument about being against quoting the Church Fathers
I'm new to all this so I have a relatively untainted view from bias. Its pretty hard to look at every verse and argument for the Papacy in union as a complete case and argue against. Its easy to take single lines from the bible and argue they don't make the case for the Papacy, because thats obvious. A line that accounts for 1% of the Papal argument obviously does not "make the case" on its own. Without its proper placement and context, it doesn't sound like much of anything. I do not find it ironic that efforts to argue against the Catholic understanding very much rely on singling out arguments rather than facing the entire position of biblical passages, historical context, anthropological context, linguistic context, geographical context and culturual context. The argument is made by the overlapping of all of these things giving the fullest representation of the point. The protestant argument against it always seems to be more of a guerrilla warfare type hit and run on bits and pieces of it. As I slowly move being Christian, I lean strongly Catholic after a brief protestatnt stint. Though some great protestant figures helped along the way like Winger, and Dr. Frank Turek. They just seem to fall off on the full picture in all its glorious context.
So according to Vatican council, Catholic doctrine should not contradict the bible. It does! Can you tell me what successor of the apostles kept the sayings of the apostles and not made additions that are not found in the holy Scriptures?
@@kadeshswanson3991 The Apostolic and Ante-Nicene Fathers added many traditions and beliefs in the second, third centuries. Example: Ignatius taught that Mary was "ever-virgin." They changed the way a reunion service was conducted. Ignatius made sure they had an "altar and a cup." One single bishop to head the church instead of several. I can go on and on.
@@Wgaither1 Wgaither1, you need to put this in front of a username for there to generate a notification: @Christian Virtue & Grace. Facts? Just listen to the video. Mike is advocating 16th century doctrines created at and after the Reformation. The Reformers and now all Protestants are the Heterodox. They believe in the false doctrines created by men and not by the Apostles. Show me where Faith Alone is taught and I will show you that Sola Fide was not taught by Jesus to the Apostles. Can Faith Alone Save You? Seriously? Here is a Doctrine given us by Dr. Martin Luther: Luther 2:24 ~ *"YOU SEE THAT A MAN IS JUSTIFIED BY FAITH ALONE."* Wgaither1, my bible has something very different and corresponds to exactly what the Holy Spirit THRU James declares to us: Faith Alone does not justify.
@@johnyang1420 The Holy Spirit rejects the Doctrine of Faith Alone. The Protestant Scripture Twister Series #4 - Luther 2:24 ruclips.net/video/UoYYXo7wjdQ/видео.html
They are entitled to protest, which is how Protestantism got its name; and most Protestants have no familiarity with the Faith of the early Church. It’s the relentlessly vicious, vile attacks on the Catholic Church-that would make Martin Luther blush-by purported followers of Christ that is hard to understand, but which clearly signals the influence of the Evil One.
For a guy who thinks he could do 52 weeks on breaking down Catholicism, it'd be nice if he could get literally anything right in the first 1 hour and 10 minutes he spends on it. I won't mention all of his faulty arguments, but one of the worst and most common I hear is the "the Bible doesn't use the word pope!" is among the silliest. There are a lot of words Christians of all stripes ascribe to being properly in line with Christian doctrine that aren't in the Bible.
At 6:00 minutes you mention “the development of doctrine” as one of the beliefs about catholic authority. However when those doctrines clearly diverge from the teachings and revelations given by Jesus and the Apostles in the New Testament it is false doctrine at best, heresy at worst. When Jesus said “I am the way, the truth and the life, no man comes to the father but by me.” , Did he secretly mean not only through me but through Mary and through priests ordained by the Roman Catholic Church ? Or did Jesus get it wrong ? When you add to the Gospel it is no longer the gospel but “another gospel” as Paul warned the Galatians in Gal 1:8
@@jamescorbett8261 then why do you pray “Hail Mary full of Grace”? Grace is only given by God through Jesus Christ, not Mary. It is Jesus who is full of Grace and we should Hail the King of Kings. If you personally believe that Jesus is where the buck stops on salvation, then that is great. However that’s not what the Catholic Church teaches as is evident in the prayers they give to Mary and the doctrines of Sacriment. When John the Apostle gives us a vision of the throne room of God in Revelation, Mary is not there. Jesus is there with the Father and the Spirit. 1 Timothy 2:5 “For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,”
@@nicklandry8019 The Gospel of Luke. The Archangel Gabriel greeted Mary with the salutation, “Hail, full of grace” (Luke 1:28). She was filled with God-given grace, and it is He Who exalts Her. Mary is not divine, nor is She a part of the Holy Trinity; however, She has a singularly unique relationship with the Trinity: She is Daughter of the Father, Mother of the Son, and Spouse of the Holy Spirit. Mary’s role, in both Her earthly life and in eternity, could best be described as that of a Queen Mother. In Old Testament times, a Queen Mother possessed considerable power and stature within the kingdom. A Jewish king had many wives, but only one mother, who acted as his chief counselor. Mary, as the Mother of the King of Kings, was no different.
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I’m currently Protestant but I love listening to what you have to say, Trent. You give me a lot to think about.
If you dont see the deception Trent is spitting you should become Catholic.
oh yes think about it. I was a protestant, then catholic then atheist now back to catholicism in a way I didnt expect it.
kyushen23 - please show me in the Jesus’ words in the Bible where he said the book is the only way! We have his words, verbatim in the Bible- he is God, and therefore omniscient, he would have known the Bible was coming some 400 years later. Why did he not instruct the apostles to compile this book and that the book would be the only ingredient and requirement to practice the faith? Why? You reject tradition, ok, so be it. So the Latin and Orthodox Churches are older and have apostolic succession, but you have it figured out? Why do you care, are Latin and Orthodox Catholicism a threat to you?
@Qwerty prayer is talking to someone.
@Qwerty rote repetition is not prayer.
I was raised an Evangelical Christian. I started investigating Catholic theology to prove it wrong. I was confirmed as a Catholic a year later. When I looked at what Protestants claimed the church taught compared to what it actually taught and it’s answers, the obvious choice was to join.
As a catholic, sometimes its tiring being labeled such and such, and told time and time again that i should believe so and so when its not what catholics believe. I would like to evangelize others but sometimes i get fear coz while i might not be stoned to death like the christians of old, i might be called a whore of babylon or something. Imagining what the saints and martyrs went through, makes you think its a miracle that catholicism is still around for more than 2 thousand years. Its a testament to Christs promise not to abandon us that we persevere
@@markv1974 Moving
@@markv1974 the question is whether it is really 2000 years old. And that depends on whether the bible supports apostolic succession
@@Cafez27 why would that be a question. The Apostles proved it when they replaced Judas Iscariot with Matthias. Jesus never told them to do this but through the authority of the keys of the kingdom of Heaven, given to St. Peter and the Apostles, they filled the seat vacated by Judas. Not only did they replace him, but they established the method by which a new bishop is ordained, as well as priests and deacons.
@@jeffscully1347 Hi Jeff good to hear from you. Acts Chapter 1 from verse 16 onwards sets out the fulfilment of prophecy, and Peter goes to great length's to articulate this. The replacement of Judas is very specific to Judas who btw did an evil thing. All references are to 'his' i.e. Judas not other apostles. For example in verse 20 it reads "may another take HIS office" Neither Peter nor the other apostles mention anything about establishing this as a process for replacing apostles. I'm afraid this just a fact. It's a very specific, and Peter makes this point well, about the replacement of Judas as a fulfilment of prophecy. To read it any other way is to read things into this that just aren't there. It's pretty basic to be honest.
Sadly, before examining Catholicism and becoming Catholic, I would have eaten up the words of Mike Winger and then used it to talk against Catholics, just as I did with my own protestant pastors. It's embarrassing how arrogant and incorrect I was.
God bless you.
"before examining Catholicism "
What in Catholicism first opened your eyes??
Hasn't been seen since then 😂@@TruthHasSpoken
@@the_son_of_manshe doesn’t owe you any explanation.
I love how Trent horn interacts with the content of his opponent in a charitable tone. And also he gives us quite some good content on Church doctrines and history! I guess this, hopefully, future exchange between the two will raise a better understanding on the subject under discussion to all who will follow it! 😇
Isn't that what's required
I dont find him charitable at all. I think you can hear the resentment clearly in some of his comments. "oh, don't criticize him for saying papacy wrong"
I'm a former Lutheran, and I converted to Catholicism on February 18, 2022 ✝✝✝✝😁😁😁
Welcome home!!
Bowing down to christ to bowing down to Mary terrible transition
Praise God! I invite you to attend traditional latin mass
@@wanderingoutlaw2083 I guess actually researching what we believe is too hard for you
@@wanderingoutlaw2083false and nice way to welcome him!!!
I've seen a trend of these Protestant apologists citing secondary scholarship on the Fathers and the Scriptures that is often hundreds of years old. James White does this as well.
We have to be careful, though, when thinking about this. Truth doesn't get worse with age. It doesn't slowly become false. I agree with you, there is a lack of engagement with the primary resources on the part of Protestants, but that doesn't speak to the truth of what they are saying (or what the secondary scholarship is saying). After all, that is why academic scholarship exists. It is an attempt to analyze and synthesize truth and beliefs from primary sources. That's how society builds on the past, academically.
True
@Patz13 I guess you just didn't understand the conversation. The point was that the fact that the Protestant uses secondary sources doesn't speak to the truth. You have to ask yourself what I meant when I used the word "that" when I said:
"...but that doesn't speak to the truth of what they are saying (or what the secondary scholarship is saying)."
The word "that", there, refers to the antecedent clause "there is a lack of engagement with the primary resources on the part of Protestants". That means that it doesn't speak to the truth of the Protestants claim *in virtue of* the fact that it is from secondary sources, which it doesn't. This misunderstanding just underscores my point that we need to think carefully about these issues.
@Patz13 I don't need to deal with it, Patz13. That has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. You just are not understanding the conversation. I'm not talking about any particular point, or any particular secondary source, or whether any source is right or wrong, or whether anybody using such sources is right or wrong. What I'm talking about is the fact, indisputable fact, that using secondary sources is not an issue and has no part in determining the truth of any claim made on the basis of such sources or any claim made by such sources themselves.
I sincerely hope you understand now so that you can stop being miffed over, and stop trying to correct people over, something you simply misunderstood.
By the way, even though I am a Protestant, I'm not on the "Protestant side" here. I'm very Catholic friendly. I can honestly say that I desire to be a Catholic. I think Trent Horn is a better apologist than Mike. I like Mike, but I think that Trent is one of the top 5 Christian apologists today, at least that I know of. I also think that Mike Winger is often wrong, even on this topic. So, there we go, I hope that I've gotten everything out of the way that may be coming between us.
Peace, my brother/sister (assuming you are a Christian).
@Patz13 *"No. You are the one who is not understanding the significance of the Protestant Pastor, who relies on incorrect secondary sources."*
Again, the Protestant pastor has nothing to do with my point. I don't need to think about the Protestant pastor because I'm not talking about him. I'm only talking about the fact that a source is secondary having no relation to whether truth is found in it or not. If you can't understand that, then there is no point in continuing to talk to you.
*"You can't deal with the incompetence of your Protestant heroes."*
Mike's not a hero of mine. Again, I think Trent is more a hero of mine than Mike is. Your words here do not even interact with the points me and Joel made and, so, are pointless.
I thank God everyday that I decided to study Catholicism for myself and stop blindly believing what I was taught by people who have no idea.
on the same path.. please pray for me!
I know what the holy ghost said during the mass Pentecostal revivals of the 40s and 50s and 60s....
The holy ghost divorced the espoused apostate catholic church corrupted by her many fornications and adulteries which she has made the whole world drunk with....
@@dieselcowboy777 that wasn't the Holy Spirit talking to you, cowboy.
How do I know? Because God is always faithful and never divorces His bride, no matter how unfaithful she is. Read the book of Hosea. Christ, the Bridegroom, was fond of quoting it in the Gospels.
Stop listening to that voice that fooled you and return to the Truth.
@@illumoportetcresceremeaute887 Catholicism was an espoused church.....it was never married and never became his bride....
That's why when the holy ghost came a 2nd time during the mass Pentecostal revivals of the 40s and 50s and 60s.....it was to fulfill the marriage of the lamb and bride....
And the holy ghost found the espoused apostate catholic church corrupted by her many fornications and adulteries which she has made the whole world drunk with and divorced her....
Catholicism is devorced today and a total outcast to the economy of God.....plus the holy ghost rejected all trinitarian denominations and a few others.....they will never be bride....
The holy ghost already chose his bride during the mass Pentecostal revivals of the 40s and 50s and 60s and His bride is a small Pentecostal by experience non trinitarian church that baptizes in the name of Jesus Christ....
And all these trinitarian ministers claiming to be born again or the bride are a bunch of liars and deceivers....false annointed or false Christs ....workers of iniquity manifesting gifts and jesus christ will tell them you are not my bride
@@illumoportetcresceremeaute887 you are following satan if you are catholic....everything Catholicism teaches is a false misinterpretation of the word or lucifer preaching to you
Rebuttal videos are entertaining and informative to Christians, to learn and expand the faith.
I agree. I always find it beneficial to hear the iron sharpen iron in action.
@@MatthewGlover Check out this apologist. He is hysterical and incredibly informative ruclips.net/channel/UC_cZXWB6T4WRXyTZiyH_LDw
Read your Bible and that is sufficient and Pray to Father Through Jesus Christ There is NO Mary in Trinity Isn't Mary Dead? so why talk to a Dead person?
@@childofgod4862 You're insulting the Blessed Virign who gave birth to the one you confess as Lord and yet you have the gall to consider yourself a Christian? Do pay some attention to the video you're posting under and you might come to realize that you're gravely mistaken.
@@csongorarpad4670 My friend you did not read my Comment earlier? I said, Read your Bible Did Jesus called his Mother Mary Mother? No There is NOT a single mentioned about that Jesus is Creator of Mary and yet he came through her Just think critically now Our God created the Heaven and there our God chose to reside that means God made himself smaller than heaven And only that is the way our God can live in his created heaven Ok?
My Lord Jesus said, to Mary "Woman" always! Just read when my Lord Jesus was in the temple and there comes Mary and his siblings > Mark 3:31-35 Answering them, He *said, “Who are My mother and My brothers?” Looking about at those who were sitting around Him, He *said, “Behold My mother and My brothers! For whoever does the will of God, he is My brother and sister and mother.”
Why did Jesus said, "Let my mother come inside" No Jesus did not say that So you know there is NO mother for Jesus Ok? Read your Bible Jesus said, "Before Abraham was, I am" So read your Bible When you talk with Mary who is DEAD, it is called Deuteronomy 18 10-12 Necromancer = talking with dead This is same as you talk with your any DEAD family members. And my Bible does not teach me to pray to Mary in the first place Correct? She was a vessel for God and he job was done when she gave Him birth Ok? Think out of box my friend!
Mike Winger doesn't care about Christian history. He said so on his video on infant baptism. He said he doesn't care what Christian said 500 years after Christ died, but he refuses to see that Christians taught infant baptism hundreds of years before his reference point.
I really do hope you can have a conversation with him. It is hard to listen to someone who thinks that are giving an accurate description of Catholicism when they don't.
Sage of Synergism
Before I respond, how do you think the Catholic Church defines original sin?
Looks like he “doesnt care” about truth!
@@johnyang1420its because it doesn’t matter, what the church believed 500 years after jesus is irrelevant. What matter is what jesus taught. What matters is what scripture says. If the church contradicts scripture then the church is wrong. If christians 500 years or even 100 years after jesus, contradict scripture, than those christians are wrong
@@rockstarburneWho do you think compiled the Scriptures? 😂
People from different churches, it wasn’t just the RCC. However, more important is what they wrote, who wrote it and who copied it. Again, the RCC didn’t write it, doesn’t hold to what was written, but they were part of the churches that copied it.
I was baptized Catholic as an infant. I made my first confession and communion, then as a teen I devolved into a sinful lifestyle and rejected God entirely. I said (even to myself) that I didn't believe in God, but deep down I knew I did. As I got older I started to believe in a God of my own making that "knew my heart" and would being me to Heaven regardless of my unrepentant sin. Then I was given a King James Bible and started to understand Christ for myself. I have the Bible many times through now and I also have a copy of the. Apocrypha as well. I feel such a true connection with Christ now. I heard so much anti Catholic propaganda when I was watching RUclips videos to enhance my Bible reading that I never even considered coming back. Lately though, I've been watching a lot of Catholic content and reading the Church father. Thank you for your videos they have helped me a lot.
Catholic theologians have discussed these same and more for hundreds of years. The internet is just now allowing us to find some of those answers pointing the way back to the catholic church. So many anti-catholic hit pieces by people who don't even understand the faith it seems as though they are influenced by the devil to help spread misinformation about the church Jesus set up. Makes a lot of sense to me. I don't think protestants won't be saved but as a Catholic, I'm confident the church is the truest way, though I've been told I'm going to H*LL many times because I am Catholic. Good luck and God bless in all your discoveries.
Praying you stuck out the Catholic journey!
Unbiased viewer here (former atheist who starts getting closer to the Christian God): Winger's arguments are often very poor, he just seems lazy.
“The foundation of this doctrine that the Roman Catholic Church teaches, it’s actually, well, it’s one particular thing. The Roman Catholic Church is built on one pillar. The whole church is built on one solid pillar.” Yes. And that pillar is Jesus Christ.
@Paul Peter Im guessing you payed 0 attention to the video and only came here to be annoying, so God Bless you but take your hatred somewhere else
@@andreslara2377 Exactly, great commentary.
@Paul Peter you understand Paul that all Protestant churches have their roots in the Catholic Church. When you say Satan governs the Catholic Church you're saying that you're Church came from Satan and his influence. No my friend all Protestant churches came from the mind of an excommunicated Catholic priest. If Satan was influencing anyone it would have been Martin Luther. Look what happened because of it we now have thousands of Protestant denominations each claiming they have the truth from scripture but each professing different Doctrine
@Paul Peter you used to be Catholic Paul? That's interesting and what Protestant denomination do you currently follow?
If bible is essential to Roman Catholic, but why then Roman Catholic deviates from the Bible, such as praying through the dead Saints, idolatry, purgatory, baptism, and many more?
I’m currently in RCIA, and even while coming to making the decision to join RCIA I viewed these videos of Mike Winger’s. They did confuse me quite a bit, to be honest. I wish I knew about these rebuttals earlier, thank you Trent!
I did RCIA in 2019. I'm still trying to learn and there's SO much to learn. I feel like a toddler in my understanding of the Scriptures. So, I listen to these and they are definitely a good resource to start from. It gives you books and documents to go look at.
@@rjsuvakjr Exactly! I do still have Protestant friends and family and it’s a good stepping stone- while I believe and understand the faith, it’s another thing to have examples to defend it.
@@rjsuvakjr I did rcia in 2017/2018, was privately catechized later by a priest and I STILL feel like a toddler. The vast deposit and depth of the faith is both overwhelming and gloriously exciting. So much to learn.
@@DannaCat If you want the rituals Join RCC but if you want relationship with God Read your Bible and Ask God to explain the verses you read and you will be amaze how God works in everybody's life You do not need Mary to pray to God the Father but Jesus Christ!
@@childofgod4862sometimes I think protestants are more obsessed with Mary than Catholics, you can't wait to take away her power, so many protestants just have so many problems with her, and it really makes no sense for you to feel that way.
Mary always only serves to magnify the Lord. She is the Mother of God, of course she is the most important fully human person that has ever lived. It's pretty clear that she was given the power to crush the head of the snake from her Son.
I've seen the power of Mary first hand, as so many Catholics have. Just look to history at Guadalupe, where with one image of Mary, God was able to convert 10 million Aztec pagans to Christianity, sometimes we need that loving mother to guide her lost children back home. Christians spent 1500 years looking to Mary for intercession, it makes no sense that y'all refuse to humble yourselves before Mary now during these times when the world is lost more than ever.
May God bless you and may our mother pray for you.
This Pastor is making some bold claims. I don't even think he did any more than a cursory study of the matter, and his confirmation bias shows right from the start. I'm Lutheran and am really starting to believe Roman Catholicism, but slowly. I've been a Protestant theology guy and former Baptist pastor for a long time, so it's hard to even consider this. But worth it.
Watch his full video. He’s well versed
You need to watch more than this fast forwarded version
He's extremely well-versed. He knows what he's talking about. There is really no point in anyone debating anything. Rarely does anyone convince others of their side of the issue.
@@joelfigueroa1309 no he's not he's a liar lol
@@madsheila4169 No he's is lying.
Protestants: I don’t like this teaching of Jesus, I’m gonna start my own church.
Now there’s thousands of self proclaimed “Christian” churches. Ugh.
@@Psalm34rws You need to be born again to have discernment while reading the bible. Based on your response it is CLEAR you do not have this. You are being led astray by what the bible calls doctrines of demons." I urge to get on your knees repent and ask the father to draw you closer to the son. He is the way the truth and the life.
@@Psalm34rws Roger, now now let's not act like a typical Catholic with personal attacks and name calling. You are better than that. No, NO MAN past, present or in the near future has every interpreted the bible all the time correctly. You don't understand '"sola scriptura." It accepts other sources as long as they line up with the bible. Basically, we believe the bible is sufficient. Read Acts. You will see the apostles clearly had disagreements. They even disagreed on who was their leader. My question to you is were the Apostles SAVED because they disagreed on the non-essentials?
@PACOIMARACER Let's see... I'm saved by grace through faith in the perfect atoning sacrifice and resurrection of Jesus. I go to the nations with the power of the Holy Spirit and the authority of Jesus to make disciples, baptize, and teach people to obey the commands of Jesus. Yep... definitely a heretic.
@@Psalm34rws Jesus, in His final moments on earth reminded us that He had all authority in heaven and earth. In this authority, He sent us out to do our most important responsibility until His return. Namely, preach the Gospel to all nations, make disciples of those who believe, baptize them, and teach them to obey the commands of Jesus. This commission was given to individuals. At that time, there was no church, pastor, or priest. It is the responsibility of all those who follow Jesus to do these things, and according to Ephesians 4:11-12 the church and its leadership are responsible to train and equip people to do these great works. Isn't it sad that most believers have taken the authority given to each individual follower by Jesus and handed that authority over to the church. Most of those who call themselves a follower of Jesus will in fact never make a disciple, baptize, or teach obedience. I'm afraid the Roman Catholic Church (and many protestant churches as well) is doing nothing to equip most people to fulfill the Great commission of Jesus.
@@Psalm34rws Hey brother. Matthew 28:18-20 and Acts 1:6-8. Jesus gave his Great Commission to all believers. Based on Matthew 28:17 we know that there were definitely others in attendance besides the 11. There was no church, no presbyter, no priest. In fact there is only one example in the book of Acts where we know who GAVE baptism. Acts 8 shows that Philip, a non-apostle, a non-priest, a non-pastor gave baptism. Try to find one other example in Acts where you see the name of the person who gave baptism. By the way, there were 120 believers who received the Holy Spirit at Pentacost. Among these were both men and women. Very few of them went on to have any official leadership position in the church. Your claim that there are "Holy Orders" to go out and do EV, discipleship, and church planting is absolutely unfounded in the Bible. I am afraid that is a Roman Catholic Church doctrine. And I am sorry that you have given your God-given authority to the church.
Trent Horn has great composure, refutes in a very charitable way.
If my false claims would have to refuted, I would like Trent to do it because he cares about his opponents and doesn't try ti humiliate them. You can see he knows his stuff.
Trent seems sincere but he is in a false religion spreading a perversion of the gospel. I urge anyone caught in this web of lies to read your bible. Just about every Catholic I know does not read the bible. Do not end up being one of them.
@@artgonzalez5629 do you really think we and Trent haven't read the Bible? is this serious opinion or just trolling?
@@artgonzalez5629 regarding your catholic friends: if they need to know the faith better, lead them to Trent's channel, thx
@@danielbarzay461 Yes, very few if any catholics and their priests read the bible. One of my lifelong Catholic friends who is treasurer of the knights of columbus told me the same thing you stated. I said ok I would like to attend a bible study with your church/priest. He then came back with our priests are too busy doing the sacraments to study the bible and our church does not offer adult bible studies. Very suspect right? Why dont they want the bible to be read? Just think please think and read the bible.
Thank you for making these videos. I am a protestant, but I wanted to understand Catholicism from a Catholic POV. It's so easy to only focus on our differences, but we are so similar in more ways than I thought.
Thank you for being open to understanding us! People may not agree, but you should know what things mean in Catholicism and not from someone who does not know what the faith is (i.e., he is "interpreting" his own view of the faith).
I'm a Mormon but I love Catholicism. It's the foundation every Christian church stems from. It's not hyperbolic to say that Christianity is the foundation of the West and that Catholicism was the first brick.
Take RCIA
It always puzzled me why anyone would believe that God would be limited to just what's in the bible. Add to the fact that the bible never says he is .
What really got me to accept Catholicism was when I heard someone say, "The church created the Bible. The Bible didn't created the church"
The Church is the pillar of Truth 1 Tim 3:15
The church didn’t “create the bible” so thats a stupid reason to accept Catholicism.
And nobody is saying God is only limited to just whats in the bible. The whole point is that God has given his word,(scripture), so the only possible way you can confirm a claim by the church, is by referencing it to scripture.
Not a “it is true because the church says so” type thing
The church was created after years of Jewish history and writing. Yeah, the church put the New Testament together but they didn't put the Bible together.
the problem with this is why should the present Catholic church have any more authority than anyone else? they don't have access to any knowledge (unless they're keeping things secret) that isn't available to anyone else. the only thing they have is a claim to authority, but if one doesn't already recognise them, why would you accept that?
@@RichardHunter-qr4hw The author should always have more authority over the interpretation of his writings than anyone else. That's why they're called authors. They have the authority. The Catholic church is the author of the scriptures.
Thank you Trent, these have been super helpful as I dicern becoming Catholic. I jump on it as soon as I see you posted a new video from this series.
I just started RCIA classes...took me the whole of last year discerning. Just take it one step at a time. :-)
God bless you!
Joanna Berens the Roman. Arrojo. Birch is an institution created by men and run like an enterprise . It is not the true church. It is not the bride of Christ.
@@scubaoctopus That are assertions. You have to prove it! www.calledtocommunion.com/2019/10/does-the-devil-make-you-a-catholic/
@FaithHopeGrace To holy mother church, the church Jesus founded (mat 16,18).
Matt 10:2 calls Peter "The First" although chronologically, John and Andrew were "first"...…...hmmm, makes you wonder why Matthew called Peter the First in Matt 10:2 :)
That’s great biblical evidence
@@drycleanernick7603 Thanks Nick
Great job exemplifying what it means to be Christian, Trent! 🙂
To select one issue:
St. Athanasius didn't believe in Sola Scriptura. He said that in debating Arians, Scripture was only used insofar as to defend its honor/the orthodox understanding, and not as if it was necessary or the only sole recourse.
"But, beyond these sayings [of Scripture], let us look at the very tradition, teaching, and faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning, which the Lord gave, the Apostles preached, and the Fathers kept."
_To Serapion_ 1:28, after citing passages about the deity of the Holy Ghost
"But after him and with him are all inventors of unlawful heresies, who indeed refer to the Scriptures, **but do not hold such opinions as the saints have handed down,** and receiving them as the traditions of men, err, because they do not rightly know them nor their power."
_Festal Letter_ 2:6
"But since they allege the divine oracles [Scripture] and force on them a misinterpretation, **according to their private sense,** *it becomes necessary to meet them just so far as to vindicate* these passages, and to show that they bear an orthodox sense, and that our opponents are in error ..."
_Discourse Against the Arians_ 1:37
"how many Fathers can ye assign to your [Arian] phrases?"
_De Decretis_ 27
Ave Christus Rex Excellent point!
Ave Christus Rex The doctrine of Sola Scriptura allows us to appeal to other authorities, but it's are not to be the final authority, since Holy Scripture alone is infallible (2 Tim 3:16). Tradition as I know it to be is basically the Gospel as St. Paul states in his epistles and even specifically as St. Irenaeus and Tertullian what was to be the Apostles creed.
What tradition consists of later on at the time of St. Athanasius if I'm correct doesn't contradict Holy Scripture, some of the practices are the sign of the cross.
@Zachary Trent So with what you have said, would you agree St. Irenaeus view of tradition as he described it to be as the Apostles Creed? It's basically the Gospel, it agrees with Scripture since it's derived from it. Also, tradition consists of customs and practices of the Church, which Scripture doesn't mention but it's not a huge deal.
@@reformedcatholic457 "The doctrine of Sola Scriptura allows us to appeal to other authorities, but it's are not to be the final authority, since Holy Scripture alone is infallible (2 Tim 3:16)."
That's what Protestants claim, yes, and yet when you cite the unanimous tradition that baptism is how you become born again, that 'doesn't comport with Scripture.' You can't have Tradition judged by Scripture if it comes from the same persons.
That's why it can't work. Tradition has equal authority because it came from the same authority: the apostles taught, and some wrote, some didn't. What was written was written with chosen words. But not all that was taught was written down. "Hold fast to the things which were handed on to you, whether taught orally or written in one of our epistles."
What the apostles taught orally might not have - or may even have been - in the words chosen by God. However, their teaching on doctrine to the whole church is most certainly 100% infallible, true, and equally authoritative. Because it is "not the word of men, but the Word of God."
+Ave Christus Rex:
Athanasius also used the Greek Septuagint which had the 7 Deuterocanonical books, so even if he taught sola Scriptura (which he didn't), protestants don't even have the right version.
At 71 years old I have had my share of talks with Protestants. I converted to Catholicism in 1970. But I am weary with all these debates/ arguments. Some three months ago the Mormons came knocking on my door. About three times a year, the Jehovah Witnesses come knocking. My brother is in the Church of Christ and says the Catholic C is an abomination unto God, but he gets into arguments with our Pentecostal relatives. Actually it's simple: Non-Catholic denominations and Catholics are at polar opposites. We have two opposite premises (a starting belief). What is the basis of your belief in Jesus Christ? The non-C says it's a no brainer. Of course the basis is the Bible. What else can there be? The Catholic says it's the church. Only the church has the authority to interpret the Bible. The Bible is a great extension of the church. Centuries ago the non-C grasps the Bible. Holds it up and says - This is our obly authority! The Catholic C says - No, we have the rifht to interpret scripture. So, why we Catholics allow ourselves to have a debate according to non-Catholic (protestant) rules? To prove everything by the Bible. Indeed, all Catholic positions can be proven by the Bible - but often not to the satisfaction of the non-C. We Catholics researve the right ti follow the Catholuc Church's interpretation. It is our starting premise of our faith. We don't need to apologize to the non-C to the point that we get into debates using their rules. Kung Fu fighter and boxer get into the ring. It is announced these two are champions of their sport. The Kung Fu fighter is surprised to learn before the bell that he is only to fight by boxing rules. If the non- C wants to ridicule us by saying we are afraid of the Bible, fine. And if we don't have an answer duri g the debate, fine. We can direct the non-C to books and websites that are better at explaining. Debates are entertaining at best but seldom is there a clear winner, and even if so, the winner is not necessarily right.
Stay Catholic.
You old fart get out of that satanic church..
Couldn't have put it better.
@@artgonzalez5629 and join your church that has a member like you who calls the elderly "old farts"? No thanks.
@@MW-eg4gu Biblically the church is the body of believers. The word does not instruct us to join or follow an institution to be saved. We are not told to listen to men in costumes performing rituals. Do not follow me or my church follow Christ. Do it now for the time is at hand.
"Martin Luther it is upon you that I will build my church. You will use only the canon of scripture as your source of authority and all who come after will interpret it any way they feel."
Something Jesus never said.
Jacob “when you pray, say: Hail, holy Queen, Mother of mercy, hail, our life, our sweetness and our hope.”
Something Jesus didn’t say either.
Well according to sound protestant doctrine I can interpret scripture anyway I want since there is no instructions on how to do it. Oh you don't agree with my interpretation., well too bad.
@@jacobschuler2591 No, you use the clear scripture to interpret the unclear passages. The reason you have Catholicism, is because people did what you proposed in jest. They scripture and just took things out of context and it's snowballed into the Roman Catholic Church. And now, when Catholic Doctrine doesn't agree with scripture, it doesn't matter to the catholic church, because the catholic church is really the authority... that's no way to treat God's word. The Catholic person that truly knows the Bible should not remain a Catholic for long.
Where does it say in the bible that you have to "know" the bible? It literally has to spell that out for it to be a truth.
Hey guys, can I first say that Protestants and Catholics are not at war; we actually have much in common. I also think it’s helpful and healthy to find some humor in ourselves. Would you both agree?
As a Protestant I agree with Trent and find it funny/ironic that many of Mike’s comments could also refute his own stance as Trent pointed out. I must also admit the humor I found in your question “where does it say...” since your position appears to be on the side that you don’t need to know the Bible. It only makes sense that someone arguing against “sola scriptura” would ask that question. I apologize, but I had to laugh out loud at the irony... you have to agree it was cute.
All joking aside, I’ll give you 3 passages to read. There are many passages that both Catholic and Protestant biblical scholars could give you, but if you read Psalm 119:11, 2 Timothy 2:15, and Acts 17:11 you will find purpose, approval and nobility in studying and knowing God’s Word.
Lastly, many Protestants don’t have a problem with Peter’s position among the apostles and they often refer to his sermon on the day of Pentecost found in Acts 2. I also find it funny yet encouraging that a lowly fisherman like Peter would preach a sermon so strongly based upon scriptural prophecy from Isaiah 44, Joel 2 and Psalms 110, as well as, from John the Baptist’s preaching “repent and be baptized for the remission of sins” found in verse 38.
I pray that you find wisdom in the scriptures that will give you firm reason and foundation for your faith and testimony to others. May God richly bless and keep you strong in the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ. Amen.
mark is trying hard to find cracks in Catholicism and is looking like a fool
This cat can spend 52 weeks explaining the difference between Catholic theology vs Protestant theology. There are between 30K-65K different Protestant denominations so whose Protestant theology is he going to use?
1) Can you clarify with examples? 2) Explain to me the Catholic concept of indulgences. 3) Nope! 4) It’s the only universal and apostolic church. 5) Even Martin Luther and Calvin couldn’t agree on the meaning of scripture passages so Sola scriptura (scripture alone) is easily debateable.
Sage of Synergism Sir. There is so much i could write but I just don’t have the energy right now and there is nothing I could say to change your mind on your view. I could quote documents, scriptures and church fathers but I don’t think it would matter. We should just stay united and fight modernism. God bless!
@@SterlingJames oh God, thank you. I was ready to call them all heretics and be done with it. Thank you brother for your example. I shall endeavor to turn the other cheek
I am writing from Indonesia. This pastor once went camping and found the bible somebody had left in the jungle. He got amazed, upon learning it, without knowing whose book it had been, for what purpose it had been written for. So, he comes up with his own mind and he claims himself as the authority. I find this pastor giving his talk like a magician does, with so much zeal, but without good reasoning, he does not even do good research.
I'm a new subscriber a Catholic from the Philippines. 🇵🇭
God Bless Trent
The lord started the Catholic church. You are not in it. Your choice.
Hi Fellow Filipino.
@@johnyang1420 what are you talking about
Thank you so much for these videos, Trent. I am Protestant and had watched Mike's video first, but many of the arguments felt shallow. I am learning a lot and have much respect for the Catholic faith. Thank you too for being so honoring in the way you present your rebuttal.
"you would never read the bible and come up with that doctrine"
Mike, Mike, Mike. This happens when you take a Catholic book and decapitate it from the faith from which it came. Open your bible to the table of contents. This too is a doctrine that you hold, an infallible belief, that your Old Testament has 39 writings, and your New Testament has 27. Yet, you would never ever come up with THAT doctrine either reading the bible. Yet you do. And that's just ONE of your beliefs ... new ones only the last 500 years of Christianity.
Hey Trent, can you do a rebuttal on The Catholic Church the Masterpiece of Deception?
@@elijahyoung11 i dont think he can...because its good!
@@norakotze6610 actually Trent did it. Hope you watched it.
Yes let's see that
@@norakotze6610 big yikes
Your wish has been granted
I always find it interesting how protestants always find a way to insult Catholicism in literally the worst way possible. If that isn't a red flag then I don't know what is, coming from the "righteous" religion. Does anyone else get that negative vibe or what?
Absolutely. The worst ones I believe just read the verses that confirm their bias and completely disregard the rest, especially the Gospels.
1:05:07 Uh Julian the Apostate did not make Christianity the state religion. It was Theodosius.
You should do Atheist response vids more often. Their propaganda is more intellectually damaging
@Qwerty But influential as communists
@@paradisecityX0 I know you wanna get content material bro lol. But Winger needs to be called out and Capturing Christianity, Whaddo you meme, IP, Trinity Radio and the rest of the crowd are already going after atheists.
@@paradisecityX0 btw keep up the good work. Still hoping for a Classical Theist interview to happen lol
@@lucdubras It might happen
@@paradisecityX0 guys check Pat also ruclips.net/video/9nD-YKqEN2E/видео.html
This is fantastic. Trent Horn is one of the people that had a great influence on my turning from Protestantism to Catholicism. I was a seminary trained Protestant getting my Masters at Fuller Seminary. I got my PhD at the same school as James White attended, although I don't consider it a legitimate PhD as it is not an accredited school; but it was 2 years of hard study. But I listened to Steve Ray's conversion story and I saw many intellectual Protestants converting to Catholicism (Marcus Grodi, Dr. Francis Beckwith, John Henry Newmann, Dr. David Anders, Dr. Scott Hahn, Dr. John Bergsma etc. etc.) When I saw Trent Horn explain how Protestants claims about Catholicism are dead wrong it gave me pause. I couldn't respond to Trent's claims. And Mike Winger cannot respond to Trent's claims. All Winger did was take a small part of what Trent stated and claimed that Trent did not represent Catholic teaching in that one are of minutia. Winger left 99% of what Trent responded with unchallenged. I believe that if one watches all of Trent's videos it will be difficult not to become Catholic. I would also suggest listening to Dr. David Anders on a radio show named "Called to Communion." These fellows do not give one time hit jobs regarding Protestantism, they systematically show where Protestants misrepresent Catholicism and they show you the sources that you can read for yourselves. I am glad I came across Trent's polite and thorough rebuttals to help me finally come home to the Catholic Church.
Welcome home 🥹 God bless you!!
Dear Steve,
My name is Marcell and I am a cradle Roman Catholic.
I am so humbled from your testimonie.
I am so glade you are able to have all the sacraments and the holy communion.
The holy Eucharist.
Father Pio once said the earth can exist without the sun, but can't exist without the Holy Eucharist.
In our times we need to protect the priesthood.
Without the priesthood no Holy Eucharist.
God bless you, your work and your family.
Welcome to the faith.
Welcome home.
I used to listen to mike winger and really took this video of his to heart. It wasn’t until pastor Francis Chan talked about his change on his view of the Eucharist. I couldn’t believe and after reading through much of church history and church fathers, i am now seriously considering becoming Catholic.
@@andrevaca6700 Suggest watching Dr Brant Pitre's video (or the book), Jesus and the Jewish Roots of the Eucharist. Dr Pitre covers the Old Testament prefigurements of the New Testament fulfillment. Protestants going to a bible college, never hear of it, at least not that I've read or heard. Keep in mind, in the Eucharist, we receive the resurrected Christ, a means for receiving his Grace. How could ALL Christians have been wrong for 1500+ years? Also read the Catechism so that you know exactly what the Catholic Church teaches. RCIA, the class for those interested in joining the Church, is starting in the next couple of weeks in most parishes. God's blessings on your journey.
ruclips.net/video/P45BHDRA7pU/видео.htmlsi=tf1LbV-gB6S8UoMk
God bless you.
Trent, your apologia for the Catholic faith is slowing working on my heart. It just makes so much sense! I'm also tired of trying to figure it all out by myself, and I think of the passage in the Book of Proverbs, "do not rely on your own insight." (Proverbs 3:5). May God guide me into all truth, which my soul yearns for. God bless you Trent. Amen.
Scott Hahn has some really great videos where he talks about many of the same theological issues protestants struggle with on his channel St. Paul center.
That just sounds like intellectual laziness. Letting an organisation tell you what to think because you don't want to do it yourself.
@@EmberBright2077 so they are to come up with their own interpretation, then look for a church that meets all those criteria? or they should probably start their own church in the local community center. That is how you get many thousands of protestant denominations, and fractures all of Christianity just a little bit more. Your comment sounds so rude, Why are protestants so bitter? I don't think Jesus wants everyone to make up their own rules as they go along...that's why he made the catholic church.
Lean not on your own understanding, just let the Pope tell you what you should know. Just remember, that for hundreds of years they fought to keep the scriptures out of the hands of people who were not in the clergy.
@@sammcrae8892 Nonsense. Sacred Scripture was painstakingly hand-copied by monks for centuries. Bibles were therefore extremely rare and valuable, and possessed by the clergy who created them and the very wealthy who could afford to buy them. Most people in the world were illiterate, anyway, so what would they have done with a Book? For most of Church history, the Faith was preserved and propagated by oral tradition and audiovisuals such as hymns, stained glass windows, statues, icons, Nativity scenes and the Passion re-enactment.
Thank you Trent for doing this. These "pastors" tell you that the Church has no authority and then they turn around and interpret scripture as if he himself has authority to interpret scripture. What a hypocrisy!
Absolutely!!!’
If you read the bible, you'll see that time and time again, Israel's leaders let the people down. Instead of repenting and ritually cleansing the way God gave them through the priests and the temple, they repeatedly lead the people of God astray; adding to teachings false things, and even worshiping false gods. That's why God exiled them.
The point is, we can't trust our leaders to always be correct or have the best for us in mind. That's obviously true even just studying the history of the Catholic Church. God knows our limitations, so He gave us HIS WORD so that we may know it, and know Him. He knows we may interpret some things wrong here and there... but His grace is enough to cover that, and may His Spirit correct us and guide us as we follow Him.
"The Church" is the body of Christ. The body of Believers. If you are a believer, you have The Spirit, and God will reveal truth to you more and more as you seek it through His word. I know this firsthand. But if you sit back, and assume that the Catholic Church knows everything you need to know, so you'll just trust them, well, you will be lead astray, and you wont have the discernment or wisdom needed to even know that you're being lead astray.
Christian_Gamer_Guy How? If one "body of believers" believes that baptism is one thing and another "body of believers" believes that baptism is the complete opposite they both can't be right. Certainly Christ did not leave us orphaned to flounder around. Therefore as Christ teaches take it to the Church or in the worlds of Saint Paul the Church is the pillar and foundations of truth. With that said, the Church is not a hotel for saints but, a hospital for sinners. Yes, there are bad leaders that doesn't destroy the deposit of faith. Christ guaranteed that the gates of hell will not prevail that doesn't mean the gates of hell won't try. BTW, as human beings we always stress the negative and down play the positive. There are plenty of good leaders in our Church that I look too. Everyone looks at scripture through a lens as you just did. I just prefer to look through the lens as handed down through the centuries to us from Christ and the apostles.
@@2005wsoxfan "Certainly Christ did not leave us orphaned to flounder around."
Right, we have been given the bible so that we may know what we need to know.
"deposit of faith."
Huh?
"BTW, as human beings we always stress the negative and down play the positive."
False doctrine that teaches about a Christ who's blood is not sufficient to cleanse us is pretty important to stress.
" I just prefer to look through the lens as handed down through the centuries to us from Christ and the apostles."
I prefer to look through the lens of scripture, and adjust my understanding of the difficult things in it as I continue to grow in knowledge and understanding of the easier to understand parts.
Christian_Gamer_Guy You are making a big assumption that of the false doctrine of Sola Scriptura. Where does the Bible teach the idea of we believe by the "bible alone"? If Jesus wanted us to believe by the Bible alone why didn't he write anything down? He doesn't even tell his disciples go forth and write manuscripts. Some do but not all. Luke and Mark are not one of the 12 why are they in the Bible? Who made that determination? There wasn't even a printing press for 1500 years after Christ. Bibles were laboriously hand written and very expensive. Very few Bibles were in private hands. It's Martin Luther that gave us Sola Scriptura a doctrine found nowhere in the Bible and a doctrine that has lead to over 50,000 denominations and splintering all claiming they have the correct interpretation of scripture. However I do see where scripture does point to the Church the very Church that collected, protected, canonized, and distributed and properly interpreted by her. For example, how do you know by the Bible alone that John wrote John or Mathew wrote Mathew. Likewise Luke or Mark. The only way we know is because the Church says so. How about the doctrine of the Trinity where is that explicitly taught in scripture? How about marriage between one man and one woman? Where's that in scripture? How about abortion? Where's that in scripture? Stem cell research? I can go on. I know abortion, polygamy etc is wrong because the Church says so. Did you even watch this?
to see mike winger dedicate this much time and energy and still get so much wrong ...is really pathetic
Welcome to the world of Protestants. Saying a lot but without much substance.
Alex Hage. Mike is a dear Christian man and not pathetic. He represents numerous Protestant pastors and "seperated brethren" who do not know the complete deposit of Faith. The Catholic Faith is "a pearl of great price". Give thanks that God has revealed the Faith to you. Pray that all convert to "The First Church of Christ".
@@marccrotty8447 pathetic means arousing pity in the observer. That is a fitting description. Winger obviously put in a great deal of time and effort in building his case, but still made basic factual errors that could have been easily prevented if he wasn't either arguing in bad faith or a sloppy and ill informed historian and theologian. He is pathetic. I pity him.
I wouldn't say that it is pathetic. Instead, i believe that talking to and learning from an educated and well-versed Catholic (like Trent) would have been better than learning "why Catholics are wrong". There have been times when i realized how much nuance, connotation, and detail really matter. And this video is a perfect example of that. I also have realized that i cannot learn about something by watching videos and lectures by the OPPONENTS. Instead, i should first watch such videos from believers/supporters of that something and THEN watch the counter argument.
The problem, i am afraid, is that one could spend a lifetime and still not know everything. A man or woman could devote years to studying one religion, decades studying other religions, and then centuries comparing and contrasting them to find out which one is right.
It's just too much. A man has bills to pay, things to learn, jobs to tend, family to care for, and, frankly, life to live. One cannot stop everything and devote his whole life to such an epic quest.
I think it all boils down to something pretty simple: there is one God who made everything. He sent his only begotten son Yeshua/Joshua/Jesus the Christ who is the Savior of Mankind. The Holy Ghost dwells within believers. Do your best to follow His Law, to be patient and kind, to be humble yet strong, to be an example of a person with standards (or a "goal"). Don't talk about vulgar things, don't belittle people and call them names, don't be a hypocrite, and don't judge people by standards that you, yourself, do not meet because you will be judged by those same standards and you don't want to be a hypocrite with double standards.
And last but not least, worship God. Praise Him. Honor Him. Do not provoke his wrath. Do not slander his name by mingling it with foul speech. Do not make blasphemous jokes about God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Ghost, or His heralds.
Mike Winger is pathetic and wrong!
Trent thanks for your time and energy to do this and for your gift of knowledge and for your guidance, I love your videos. My son has also come back to the church in the past few months and always watches your channel. Thank you for standing up for our beautiful Catholic Church. God bless.
Protestantism = "It doesn't *literally* mean _this_ so it can *figuratively* mean _whatever I want._
It’s heretical
I've never quite understood how "you are the rock upon which I will build my church" can be misunderstood, or be anything except what it obviously means.
Because when Protestants want the bible to mean something that it doesn't, they have to do Olympic level mental gymnastics and scriptural torture to make something mean what they want it to. They say "The Rock in Matthew 16:18 can mean ANYTHING but Peter."
@@sadsyndicate that’s what the papist do. Especially when it comes to heretical teachings such as “indulgences”
@@EchoToaster_ Indulgences is not heretical. A Heresy would be a contradiction to the bible or to church teaching
@@sadsyndicate contradictory to the Bible yes. So therefore it’s heretical.
@@EchoToaster_ Where does it say that in the bible
i do not like mike's church.
It was started by men! It says so on his website
51:00-51:35 LETS GO TRENT! I love you man this is so true. Protestants claim their pieced together interpretation of scripture 2000 years after Christ is more valid than the living witnesses of Christ and the disciples interpretations which created the catholic doctrines!
Protestants want to know the truth. It's tough because we are taught that because Jesus calls himself the Door and the Good Shepherd. These are both metaphors and Jesus is neither an actual door nor is He an actual sheep herder. So it becomes tough when Jesus says bread is His body and wine is His blood. These are metaphors, too. Then, the explanation about accidents is confusing.
Still, I believe that Jesus is present in Communion or the Eucharist. And there does seem to be more that Jesus and Paul say to indicate that the body and blood of Jesus are the blessed bread and wine.
Then, we see Jesus giving his blessed mother to John and John alone-- no one else just as Peter and only Peter was given special authority over all the elders. So is the Blessed Virgin Mary our mother? I feel that this is true but Protestants worry about asking Mary--or anyone who has passed on into heaven-- to pray for us. Still, yet I do understand the reason this is fine. But, we are taught to go straight to God through Jesus so as not to be confused about who saves us.
Also, I get that a statue is ok. However, BOWING to a statue( not merely kissing it) is the actual definition of idolatry. This is a problem.
Please understand the struggles Protestants do have. We both worship Jesus as Our Saviour. AND WE LOVE OUR CATHOLIC BRETHREN AS YOU LOVE US.
I don't understand why these preachers spend so much time bashing Catholicism even if it wasn't the truth. We Catholics spend our Sunday sermons preaching about the gospel and how to live a Christian life, not ranting about Mormons for example
Rebellious children.
Justin It is very disconcerting that some Protestants spend so much time bashing the Church. I agree with you 100%. We Catholics attend Mass to worship God and learn how to conform our lives to being like Jesus. I watch these informative videos to gain a better understanding of what nonCatholics erroneously declare as “truth.” I tried having “discussions” with my nonCatholic relatives several years ago and got nowhere. They simply refused to be open minded, use reason and logic in assessing my facts and arguments and again and again declared I was simply wrong and they were right. Period! So.....I wiped the dust from my feet and moved on. I’m always reminded of something I once heard.... not all Catholics go to Heaven, but everyone in Heaven is Catholic. There are no splits, no differences, no heresy, only ONENESS in Heaven.
The whole time in this video I'm really just wondering why the audience is there that Mike is preaching to... 🤔
Ive never heard a priest bash another church
26:27
I gave Trent a hard time in the comments section of a rebuttal he did of a gentleman named Josh.
But I gotta say he's got me seeing something here in Luke's account of the argument among the Apostles as to who would be greatest.
The passage speaks to a hierarchy of authority
("and the one who rules..")
..yet unlike the gentiles a position not to be served, but to serve
("..like the one who serves").
Christ's word immediately following that Peter was uniquely in the crosshairs of the enemy, and when recovered should strengthen his brethren lends context to the passage previous which spoke to the question of the nature of the office of he who would be greatest, and ruler among them.
The only question I would have for Trent is "why, if Mat 16 is clear that Peter was given primacy, does this argument even come up?
But I like what Trent is saying here.
I'm a Protestant..but I gotta admit I feel like he showed me something here I didnt see b4.
Thnx Trent
God bless you! I came home to Catholic church in 1996. Check out book Why We Are Catholic by Trent Horn.
It comes up because people do not want to submit fully to Christ... which is all of Christ including his Church.. humility is everything
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That doesnt quite do it for me.
It seems more like they are mutually exclusive texts that can't be reconciled..which I'm fine with actually.
I dont believe the Bible is infallible so contradictions dont faze me
Try RCIA
@@thuscomeguerriero I would think strengthening your brother is serving them at 1 Of the highest levels.
I'm a recent Catholic return, and I'm disgusted at the misrepresentations of Catholics I now see.
Do you think pastor mike watches your videos and ponders the explanations you give?
I truly hope so. The problem is that some Protestants struggle to accept truth, not because of the intellectual problems with Catholicism, but because they rely on their denominations and churches for money, they're worried about their family life, or are too attached to their presuppositions and emotional dispositions.
his ego might be too big to face opposition, seen the way he talks on Catholicism is with holier-than eyes
The pastor is so full of himself he would not benefit from watching the rebuttal. Jesus said something about this in Matthew 11:25.
You are all full of hate towards pastor Mike, because it hurts to see him speak the truth. You keep blaming him, without having the slightest idea if he watched the video or not
@@EnHacore1 Mike Winger speaks zero truth. He probably knows he is wrong but doesnt have the cajones to admit it.
Sorry, a humble servant doesn’t accept the titles that aren’t his. “Holy Father”, “vicar of Christ”, and “lamb of God”. Those titles are reserved for the ONLY Father in heaven, the Holy Spirit who in dwells all who are in Christ, and Jesus who IS the lamb of God. Not to mention, he still stands as a mediator between God and man? There is now only one mediator: Jesus!!
How is Mary the mediatrix?
And all the many popes and priests?
And Jesus???
Just one mediator: Jesus!
This pastor thinks he knows.
I feel he has deep hatred for the Catholic church.
He needs prayers.
Mike Winger has a hostile tone and seems angry all the time. Not of God…
Tf do you mean he is overly calm on these subjects
You are the best Catholic apologist on RUclips
You should make rebuttal video’s to the living waters RUclips channel. You should try getting Ray Comfort to debate you.
@Sage of Synergism Let go of your pride. Ray Comfort is a false teacher. He uses his own personal interpretation of scripture to twist it completely out of *context* . He has little to no understanding of Judaism or the time of Christ and couldn't tell "fact" from a "truth". You don't just pick up a Bible, originally composed and translated by the Church in an ancient time and act like you completely understand what's going on. Yes, it's clear and incredible for a collection of ancient and divinely inspired documents, but you don't think the same way as the early Church did. How little faith Protestants have in the power of Christ to scorn his very own Church, and even the very presence of Christ at his weekly banquet.
I pray to the Lord, that he rains grace upon your soul and you choose to open your eyes to the truth.
God Bless.
@Sage of Synergism Have you actually even watched the videos that Trent has put up? Why would you rather maintain the views you hold? Because they are true according to divine reason, or because they are your views and you have too much pride in your false teachings? I claim that it is because they are according to your psychological predispositions. It's no different than someone, presenting valid arguments, failing to convert an atheist. It's not a problem of the intellect, but of the will. Rebut the facts, or don't comment here and spread your false teachings and teachers.
@Sage of Synergism Why do you believe in the Trinity? It's a dogma of the Church, but it's not explicitly stated in the Bible? You're riding on the coattails of the One True Church. Who translated and compiled the Bible? the One True Church. Truth leads to, and from, Christ and his Church.
@Sage of Synergism Lent and the Sign of the Cross are compliments to the Bible. They're for worship, penance, and sacrifice and lent is an important period leading up to the ultimate sacrifice and resurrection. It's GOOD for us and glorifies God. Just like how they practiced fasting and other traditions in biblical times...something doesn't have to be explicitly stated to be a valuable part of the faith. Idk what you mean by Francis. And not everything he does is infallible, only very specific things a Pope does are infallible. And lastly, we do still give indulgences but many misunderstand them.
Sage of Synergism There is much difference between what is dogma (that part of doctrine which has been divinely revealed and which the Church has formally defined and declared to be believed as revealed), doctrine (all Church teaching in matters of faith and morals - unchangeable) and discipline (instruction, system of teaching or of law, given under the authority of the Church [which] can be changed with the approval of proper authority-changeable). It’s really obvious that you have no understanding of the difference. It all matters and is why Jesus instituted His Church and gave the apostles the authority over it rather than telling people they could interpret the teachings for themselves.
The observance of Lent is a discipline in remembrance of the 40 days Jesus spent in the desert praying. It is in preparation for, and observance of, the “Passion of Christ” - His suffering, death and resurrection. Catholics are not the only ones who practice this.
As for the sign of the cross, this article gives the history of it dating back to before the Bible was put together. catholicstraightanswers.com/what-is-the-origin-of-the-sign-of-the-cross/
I’m Protestant and I appreciate this video. It’s a big pet peeve of mine when Protestant preachers try to summarize the main beliefs of other religions and denominations, in which pretty much no one who subscribes to those beliefs would agree with.
If you’re going to criticize a view you should at the very least be able to produce a summary of those views, that would be affirmed by those who hold such views.
It's interesting that you call Catholicism "other religions". I agree, it is not Christianity.
Where, exactly, did Mike say something that was untrue? Because this video sure doesn't reveal that.
@@christian_gamer_guy6447 Prove it. You can't? OK.
Take RCIA
Trent, this is the video that really solidified my decision to become Catholic. I was leaning that way and one of my friends sent me the link to Mike Winger's video. I watched it and wanted to see what a Catholic response might be. After watching this video, I felt even more compelled to come home. Thank you for all that you do. Your podcast/RUclips channel has really helped me as I have wrestled through different theological issues!
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Trent you are a blessing for the catholic Church, a true blessing! I'm addicted to your podcast and I wish I could find your books or its french translation here is Senegal. You are as clear and accurate as possible. Even tho I think pastor Mike is too easy to expose for a guy like you (smile).
BTW, love the Star Wars shirt.
Yes, celibacy is a free choice, the Church doesn't force it,.It.is.free choice of the man before.he gives.his life to God.
I love your insights. One thing that occurred to me while listening to the discussion on papacy and humility; Peter’s example mimics Christ’s submissive attitude toward His Father. Only those who reject the doctrine of the Trinity would claim Christ is inferior to the Father.
This was great Trent. You and Mike winger should have a live debate or something. I would seriously enjoy that.
The funniest thing is when solo scriptura people Don't abide by solo scriptura.. hard for me to take them serious
Tell them that it is unbiblical & heretical
@@geoffjsRight. The doctrine of Sola Scriptura did not even exist prior to the 14th century, when it was introduced by Protestant forerunner, John Wyckliffe. Many current-day Protestants do not abide by this doctrine.
Scriptural references disproving Sola Scriptura:
John 21:25; John 16:8-9, 12-13
1 Corinthians 11:2
2 Thessalonians 2:15 (The Bible refers to the Church, and not the Bible, as the "pillar and foundation of the truth”)
At age 40 I began the journey from belief in God...to belief in Christ...to Protestantism (multiple churches)...to Catholicism. Here I add my personal experience to Trent's excellent discussion. Mike Winger attempts to contrast "Protestant Doctrine" to Catholic doctrine. In actuality he is contrasting "Winger Doctrine" to Catholic doctrine. In my 20 years as Protestant, with every new church, I had to try to figure out the particular doctrine of that specific pastor/church. Each individual protestant church has its own Authority and its own Doctrine - set forth by the pastor of that congregation. Winger tries to claim the Bible as Authority. But in reality, it is Winger's interpretation of the Bible that becomes Authority. Thus, the growing number of Protestant churches/denominations all vying for the title "One True Church." Thousands of protestant churches...and...thousands of popes.
GardenLady; My friend all you have to do is, read your Bible day and night and meditate over it Church will not give you answers You ask God directly and keep reading and listening to different people and God will tell you which one is correct
If you read the history of Popes, how they prostituting the church in ancient time and begetting children, you will be ashamed to read it. Now Read your Bible it says Jesus is our Savior and Jesus Christ told us to Pray to the Father in my (Jesus') Name And read the Revelation 17 THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH
@@childofgod4862 You make my point. Thank you. Many people, many Bibles...many Gods? If it were as easy as you explain, God would tell each person the same thing, thus eliminating the need for 40,000 different churches disputing what God told each of them.
@@gardenladyjimenez1257 These different denomination churches comes up because of different doctrine people believe RCC is run by Elite Go listen to recent Pope who make outrages statements about our Bible Read Revelation chapter 17 THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH
Who is this? Compare the whole chapter with RCC God bless you!
Exactly! Amen!
By that logic, you have decided that you are an authority above everyone else to interpret that God exists.
I have been Protestant my whole life and struggled with doubt and anger toward God. Recently after fleeing God for so long I have felt called back. Because I wanted to perform my due diligence, I have really researched everything I think relevant to become secure in my faith; I started with the existence of God and that led to the search for a spiritual home. Eventually I found the Catholic church and have been very happy finding the doctrinal beliefs of the Catholic faith resonate with my ideals. My issue is that I have been married twice (to the same woman) and divorced twice to that woman, now remarried to my true partner and wife. Unless I can get the previous marriages nullified, I can't become Catholic and I am fearful of that. At any rate, thank you for your content!
Congratulations you
Can loose your salvation over and over again. Great.
So you’ve only been married to one woman?
@@CPATuttle I married one woman twice when I was young. I just recently remarried.
@@FullDottle This doesn't pend on you becoming Catholic or not. In the Catholic church God still considers you married to your wife, even though you could have been divorced through civil law. You can be catholic and attend mass regardless. You only need to go to RCIA to be confirmed to get the Eucharist. The Catholic church is the one true Church Jesus started. I would encourage you call into Catholic Answers and ask your questions. They are live daily in the afternoon/evenings
@@CPATuttle I agree on the Church but as to the marriage, I will need an annulment to take Eucharist?
I usually don't like to use this argument against people, but Mike gets emotional and slightly sarcastic whenever he talks about Catholic stuff and it's a real turn off to hearing anything he has to say. He seems more bothered by Catholics than atheists. This was a great video, thanks for the content!
Thanks Trent for debunking pastor Mike, he seems a little disgruntled , praying for his heart to be opened to the truth!
That 'pastor' looks like a child trying to explain how the world was created
Problem with Protestant mentality is they don't know or can't comprehend the Jewish understanding of the High Priest who sits on the Seat of Moses, which is where the Papacy comes from. So of course there's things that weren't written in excess because the early church was following the traditions of Jewish customs. Dr Brant Pitre did a book but also a talk on the Jewish roots of the papacy, if protestants dared to actually read / look into this in-depth they'd realise the papacy is infact biblical and why the early church didn't have to be explicit in terms.
If the Bible is the inerrant word, it is unfortunate that it does not make crystally clear, in completely unambiguous language, the question of the perpetual virginity of Mary, particularly since this claim is so central in Catholicism. A real omission on God's part, one might say. Protestants win on this one, I think.
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I see you lot on catholic vidoes
The Church Fathers are the Fathers of the Church just as Joseph was the father of Jesus.
He wasn't the one who created, conceived, or birthed Jesus, but Joseph was the one who raised Jesus.
Time for us Catholics to go FULL OFFENSIVE! No more will we stand and roll over for the errors of the Protestants! Go out into the world baptising them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit! And that we shall do!
We must pray and educate ourselves first.
I agree!
Check out this Catholic apologist... he does it in a humorous way, it won't disappoint. ruclips.net/channel/UC_cZXWB6T4WRXyTZiyH_LDw
It's going to be hard to do that with the Pope Francis's focus on ecumenism.
But I'm with you. One True Church with the Fullness of Christ's Teaching and the power of the Sacraments means we must proselytize not ecuminize
FaithHopeGrace...ignore this hater!
Interesting talk, but still respectfully disagree. My biggest gripe with the Roman Catholic Church, they basically say “Jesus isn’t enough for salvation, you need all this these other doctrines and traditions too.” Paul was clear in Galatians, am I pleasing man, or God? If any man gets in the way of you coming to God, wether that be a priest, pastor, elder or whatever, organization or group, then it’s not the gospel. Your salvation is between you and God, and any church or man that would say “you need my approval first.” Is not only unbiblical, but wicked.
@Qwerty If Jesus alone isn't enough, why do I need the roman church and it's traditions? Isn't a full trust of Christ alone enough for eternal life? Or, it is Christ plus other stuff is being required?
@Qwerty So instead of responding to my question you just insult me? If I'm wrong, then correct me, I'm always open to learn. From your world view, which I can only assume is from a roman catholic perspective, conciliation with God, Is it by Jesus alone, or Jesus +.
@Qwerty Firstly, thanks for pointing out I said disrespectfully, I meant respectfully, but this is what happens when you watch youtube at 1 am, my apologies. Let's keep name calling out of it, ad hominems aren't an argument. To your first response, yes, I am learning about it, that's why I listened to the talk, because I like to hear all sides of a debate, so I can learn.
Do I believe we have a license to sin? No. If I had that attitude I wouldn't love Christ. "If you love me, you'll keep my commandments." Anyone who's a follower of Christ, who's believed and been reconciled through faith, has a new self, and doesn't want to keep on sinning, out of love for Christ and a desire for righteousness. 1 John 3 and many of Paul's letters are extremely clear in his letter's, since we've been freed from, then we shouldn't be living in or practicing sin.
Do I think the Bible is necessary. Yes. How else do we come to know God? If I want to know him, I want to know what he said, and what others said about him. We test truth with scripture as the foundation.
Also I never said the sacraments arn't needed, Baptism, the Eucharist, these are Biblical and we are commanded by God to do so.
My question again, asking a presumably catholic, I am a sinner, what must I do to be saved?
@Qwerty Thanks for responding, see I would agree, to a certain extent. But see, this is my issue, "sacramentally ordained priests that administer the sacrament, (body and blood of Christ.) So now there's a man, that I have to get through, to come to Christ. Now I have to seek the approval of men in order to receive full salvation. That might seem like a small thing, but it's not the gospel and Paul warns us about that. When the jailer in Acts 16: 30 asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” In Ephesians 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation-- having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise. Or Romans 10:9 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. Baptism, communion, fellowship with other believers, these are responses from obedience Because we are saved, not to be saved. No practice or tradition can make us reconsidered to God, only faith in Christ.
The thief on the cross, neither baptized nor took communion, but recognized who Jesus was, repented of his sins, and called Jesus his Lord. Jesus in turn promises him paradise, that day. That is the faith that was once and for all delivered to the saints. It's saying I am incomparable of reconciling myself to God, that's only something God did himself, and finished it on the cross.
The early Roman church was a blessing, as were the early fathers, but believe it went astray, and the Roman church began preaching a different gospel and focused on man made traditions more than God's truth.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry You seemed confused. Ill give you two analogy to differentiate Redemption from Salvation.
Jesus died for all men this is redemption, he redeemed the world. do you agree? If you agree that REDEMPTION IS FOR ALL then we move on and i have a another question.
Supposed there are only 2 types of people on earth, sinners and true christians. Since Jesus redeemed the world, are the two type of people going to be saved or is it only the christians? I guess you would say that the christians would be save but not the sinners.. So what DID THE CHRISTIANS DO TO BE SAVED? What WORK DID THEY DO TO BE SAVED? They must have done something in order to be saved, right? So in this essence, even though redemption is for all, salvation is a choice each person has to make.
Now here is another analogy that best explains eph 2:8-10. Supposed am God and you are a man.. Am good and because I love you i will give you a gift..lets call this gift eternal life..you dont have to do anything to earn it, it is a gift from me to you. But you still have to trust me for you to open your hand to accept that gift, right? You believe in me and then you open your hand is work! This is called faith and baptism, the initial stage of salvation process
And for this gift to be in your hand always, you have to keep holding it..holding is a work..you have to keep working because now you are created in Jesus to do good works or you can just throw that gift away by commiting mortal sins because you dont want to hold it anymore, with that you have just thrown the gift of eternal life. But then you realized you really wanted that gift and ask me to give it back to you..this is reconciliation or confession. Through the course of your life by your own freewill you ask me to give you the gift, and you also throw it away time and again. But of course there will come a time that i will have enough of what you are doing so I will just respect whatever you want, if you want the gift in your hand or not, i will respect that. When will that be? On the day of your death, judgement will come..if you are holding the gift of eternal life when you die, that gift will be yours forever or if you have thrown your gift when you die, you have lost it forever.
Does any of what I said make sense???
Pastor Mike Winger is at least talking about the pillar which you hardly ever hear from sola scriptura types. I pray that he will be open to the Holy Spirit and dive deeper into history and church history than he apparently has here. I recommend G.K. Chesterton's Orthodoxy and The Everlasting Man. Also, John Henry Newman's Apologia Pro Vita Sua.
44:16 funny, this immediately made me think of how Mary is the mother of Jesus, and how He came before Mary.
I think it’s absolutely hilarious how in Protestant church’s they going around teaching how oh Catholics are so unbiblical Mormons are so unbiblical Jehovahs witnesses are so unbiblical like no one else does that except Protestant church’s. When you go to a Catholic Mass it’s focused around God and praising him not trying to prove someone else wrong. And that would be reason number one I’m joining the Catholic Church
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When people share the gospel truth it's because they care. Peter NEVER went to Rome as Catholic tradition claims.
Every time they meant Rome, they said Rome, except in Revelation, when God gave to John visions of the future.
Symbolism is used throughout that book, because of its content about the Pagan Roman Empire and its future collapse. So, many symbols were used because it spoke of the fall of the Empire and Emperors, which by the way, is also where the seat of the Beast/Whore/ Harlot church would gain power and rise up after that system .
The one and only time Babylon is used is by Peter, and it was Babylon, Egypt not Rome. If Paul, who became one of the apostles at a later time, and who was the strongest opponents against paganism, said Rome in his epistles, common sense says Peter would have no problem saying Rome either. So stop believing the lies. God is NOT the author of confusion!
Many protestant churches have been corrupted. The Harlot has her many "daughters" as God's word says, and are under the judgment of God, not all, but many.
COME OUT OF HER, GOD SAYS. Rev. 18:4
The Catholic Church's false claim stand and fall on those two beliefs... that Peter "supposedly" was the rock the church was built on, yet, the church is the "body of Christ, not the body of "Peter" a mere man.
The bible clearly says in many, many places that Christ was and is that ROCK.
The Roman Catholic Church stands or falls on two false doctrines.... Peter being who Christ actually was, and the ridiculous claim that Peter went to Rome and became a pope! Lies, Lies lies!!
In Acts 17 Paul says the Bereans were more noble, BECAUSE THEY SEARCHED THE SCRIPTURE...." They didn't go ask any "church fathers" is this so? NO! they dug in to see if what Paul taught was true.
Paul never called himself a "Father of the Church." He felt as a father toward Timothy, whom he'd known as a youth, and Titus etc. but NEVER TOOK and held a blasphemous title of Holy Father." NO ONE went any Apostle and said, " Father forgive me, for I have sinned!" Get to studying or continue your blasphemous beliefs! Your choice!!
@@spirit-walkerwaters4521 Nobody cares about your opinions
@@johnnybgoode5598 It's not "my opinion" it's the Word of God. Common sense and the guidance of the Holy Spirit sure is slack here.
@@spirit-walkerwaters4521 Your opinion!! The holy Spirit guides His Church, not the tens of thousands of protestant sects that have differing opinions that oppose each other. Is the holy Spirit confused? Common sense!!
Here's an idea. Sit down with him and chat. I'd enjoy this better. I'm Catholic btw.
I think he did but Mike wanted nothing to do with it. And for good reason.
Yes. Something similar to what Bishop Barron and William Lane Craig did.
I think mike refused
Mike is scared
Mike will never understand how nice brother Trent is in regard to his ignorance.
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@@alexhage8092 Yeah, Trent is pretty ignorant.
@@christian_gamer_guy6447 No need to be rude. We are all brothers and sisters in Christ. God bless you.
@@Lena-sk5xh To be fair, I was being silly, pretending that the OP was saying the opposite of what he was.
I don't think Trent is ignorant, I think it's worse than that. I think Trent is knowingly teaching false things. If he's read God's word (and I'm sure he has), then he should know better. He seems to be ok with intentionally twisting scripture/truth so that things fit within his worldview, instead of allowing truth to change his world view. He then puts himself under more judgement and teaches others his twisting, that they might be led astray. He might not be consciously deceiving people on purpose, but the result is the same.
This is why we have God's word and His Holy Spirit within us so that we can check our teachers and know whether or not they are sound.
You either believe what God says, or you believe yourself instead. The only way you can understand the Bible is if you have received the author, the Holy Spirit. The only way you can receive the Holy Spirit is to obey the gospel that saves - the gospel of this church age (1 Cor 15:1-4)- you have to trust it. Most people, especially Protestants, only believe it in vain. They have not become born again, even though they may often hear the preaching of the gospel! It is because they have not applied it to themselves personally. They are still blind. They too, are in it for pleasing men, not God! No church can save you - only Jesus Christ! It's a personal relationship with Him - God draws you to Him if you surrender your beliefs and humbly ask God to open your understanding. Myself, I had to surrender my pride in my good works. I asked God to forgive my UNBELIEF and that is when the Holy Spirit began to minister to me. It's a miracle!!! He lead me to understanding the scriptures better and that I need to trust what happened at the cross and that there is no other way God can forgive my sins!!! Salvation has nothing to do with your perfect church attendance! If you need an institution (or any religion) to interpret the Bible for you, then you are spiritually dead and on your way to hell. That is not fruit of the Spirit. The reason why most people do not receive the Holy Spirit is because they are spiritually blind to God's Word. They do not believe it for what it says. They PREFER to have a learned-council that uses logic and philosophy to come up with doctrine. God is not in that!!! Remember, God gives grace to the humble. He does not help the "wise". Fools tend to have a better chance! Jesus wants us to come to Him and believe on Him (John 6:35) like AS a little child (not when you are an infant.) Children are more apt to trust God more than adults. I was blind and deaf until age 38 when I read the scriptures and as painful as it was to consider it to be true, I finally surrendered and got saved - all by myself because the Holy Spirit drew me to God. God will not save the prideful and rebellious. You can appear holy to men but God knows your heart. A lot of "good people" are in hell. The sinners who repented and obeyed God are in heaven. You see? What the world says is good or evil is way different than what God says!!! Please, I warn you, please consider this! If you can't understand God's word, then ask God to minister to you. He hearkens to a humble and contrite heart! Not to a heart that seeks to prove your personal beliefs are correct! Jesus called the Pharisees the blind leaders of the blind. If this makes you fuming angry, please know the devil hates comments like mine. The "old me" would have hated this comment - I was loaded with devils even though the world saw me as a "saint". God delivered me of devils when I received His Spirit! I give Him all the praise and glory!!!
Funny coz my eyes became wide open when i learned true catholicism.
"No one reading these passages would come to the conclusion that the papacy was true." Actually, it was studying passages like that closely while I was a Protestant that pushed me towards Catholicism.
Why?
Looking back at the end of John's gospel, Christ says "MY sheep." How many of the sheep belong to Christ?
All of them. The whole world is Christ's flock.
So when Christ tells Peter specifically to feed His sheep, that encompasses the whole Church.
It's also in Matthew how Christ doesn't merely give Peter the key to Heaven, but gives Him the authority to bind and loose laws in Heaven--that's an insane amount of power. No one else in the Bible is given the authority to bind and loose laws in Heaven except Peter and then the rest of the apostles, and we see the apostles swiftly acting to appoint successors in Acts, which shows us where bishops came from.
In the words of rabbi Zilli of Rome, Catholic convert, explaining his views on protestants, he said "why did they wait 1500 years to protest?".
It's a historical fact that starting with the Corinthians in AD 80 and then for over 1000 years, all Christian churches acknowkedged and submitted to the authority of the successors of Peter.
the successors must be forever maintain ... as for david to joseph and to peter onwards
Why did god wait 2000 years to send the messiah
@@kbaptiste28 What should've been the cut off date according to you?
@@kbaptiste28 God has all the time in the world to do whatever He wants. Our ways are not His ways. Isaiah 55: 8-9.
Two thousand years later, this young protestant pastor got it all right. The Holy Spirit Jesus promised and poured upon the disciples at Pentacost had been sleeping... and Peter must have lost the key... amazing...
But like Trent, I would like to ask this young guy (well you see... he addressed church fathers as "guys"...to show how humble he is) why should I trust HIS interpretations of the bible and later HIS doctrines or sets of beliefs???
do not disrespect the Holy Spirit ... for it is committing eternal sin.
James M is right!
So only Mike Winger has the Holy Spirit?
I love Pastor Mike. I love his passion and love for Christ and for people. He's just wrong about a lot of things.
A lot of Protestants “Teachers” in their heart know Catholicism is the Fullness of the Truth but there Own Personal Pride of having to Leave what they have built in those so called Church’s won’t let them leave... so what do they do. Yeah deceive their own people and worship a falsehood for their own personal gain.. Disgusting what there doing to GOD
Growing up Protestant, I don't think they have malicious intent at all. It's just a failure to truly examine the history of Catholicism and Protestantism, and continual repetition of sola scriptura that propagates Protestantism. The vast majority of Protestants, including pastors, have very little knowledge of Catholicism. I don't actually remember even MEETING a Catholic until college. (They were surely around, just quiet.)
From very young, we were told to believe in the Bible alone. That sticks pretty well because of its simplicity.
I didn't convert until I read the early Church history; no going back after that.
ThinkingWest I totally understand and I don’t mean to attack anyone. But, my experience with Protestants are that they are so quick accuse us of things but don’t even think for a second to examine there own theology, kind of like how you mentioned. Hopefully those people come into the fold...
You have a point it is disgusting, but they're people to they can belive what they want even though it's not correct anybody who is anti catholic is anti christian.
They are in their Protestant church because it is an easy way to make money!
Your judgmentalism is very christian of you.
Dear Trent go check our brother Keith Nester's channel you haven't already (it's just his name ) great conversion story
In acts 15, Peter literally didn’t end the debate! Paul and Barnabas continued. Then James decided, not Peter! Trent is twisting what it says. There is nothing there that says the others believed Peter made a dogmatic infallible statement. James clearly didn’t think so, Paul and Barnabas didn’t think so.
I feel so embarrassed for Mike Winger. I honestly can’t believe that anyone can take this guys seriously 🤦♂️
His newer videos are far better, this is just a very weak link that is starting to become more and more apparent among Protestant scholars. (Protestants try to act like they are more historical and biblically accurate when they are actually not, although they try to, in their own twisted way)
Thank you, Trent. These people wounding the Body of Christ and thwarting the Covenant and Kingdom is beyond irritating.
I think demonic influence is strong in the misinformation world against the Catholic Church. Martin Luther probably started it by leaving the door open.
Pastor Michael you are only protesting, you have really nothing to based your arguments on. You have never read the apostolic fathers and Church fathers. That is why you lack truthfulness
I'm so happy Trent is doing these videos!
One Holy Catholic Apostlic Church, the 4 marks of Christ's Church
Amen.
Faith is a hater! Ignore her!
The 4 marks of the true church....all in Catholic church!
So you ascribe to the belief that you can buy time off of purgatory by following the Pope on Twitter?
When I was Protestant going to a bible church it always kinda made me wonder why the ancient Hebrews had a very distinct and elaborate way of worshiping God and my Sundays felt so distant from that. Every Protestant church I've attended felt distant from that.
Its funny because if you look at the Catholic church, it's set up almost in the same manner as the Hebrews were set up. You have the laymen which is much like the regular Jewish people, you have the priesthood which is like the Levites and then the High Priest is like the Pope. The biggest difference is the manner in which sin is delt with...
The question I'd have for someone that doesn't think Catholics are correct is why would your sect be correct that probably doesn't look anything like the old system?
I mean that would be purely superficial. Not to mention there are plenty of denominations and even other religions that have more similar models of religious observance.
Protestants, who found your church and under whose earthly authority does it operate. Why no sacrificial worship Jn 6 18-19
“I don’t know how to pronounce that guy’s name and I don’t even know what any of that means therefore your argument is false” 🤪
Basically his argument about being against quoting the Church Fathers
Mike Winger is lame!
I'm new to all this so I have a relatively untainted view from bias.
Its pretty hard to look at every verse and argument for the Papacy in union as a complete case and argue against.
Its easy to take single lines from the bible and argue they don't make the case for the Papacy, because thats obvious. A line that accounts for 1% of the Papal argument obviously does not "make the case" on its own. Without its proper placement and context, it doesn't sound like much of anything.
I do not find it ironic that efforts to argue against the Catholic understanding very much rely on singling out arguments rather than facing the entire position of biblical passages, historical context, anthropological context, linguistic context, geographical context and culturual context.
The argument is made by the overlapping of all of these things giving the fullest representation of the point. The protestant argument against it always seems to be more of a guerrilla warfare type hit and run on bits and pieces of it.
As I slowly move being Christian, I lean strongly Catholic after a brief protestatnt stint. Though some great protestant figures helped along the way like Winger, and Dr. Frank Turek. They just seem to fall off on the full picture in all its glorious context.
So according to Vatican council, Catholic doctrine should not contradict the bible. It does! Can you tell me what successor of the apostles kept the sayings of the apostles and not made additions that are not found in the holy Scriptures?
Can you clarify you assertion?
@@kadeshswanson3991
The Apostolic and Ante-Nicene Fathers added many traditions and beliefs in the second, third centuries. Example: Ignatius taught that Mary was "ever-virgin." They changed the way a reunion service was conducted. Ignatius made sure they had an "altar and a cup." One single bishop to head the church instead of several. I can go on and on.
Mike Winger has ZERO Apostolic Authority to preach the Gospel. He preaches a false gospel based not on the apostles, but on the reformers.
Christian Virtue & Grace please provide facts please, not assertions
@@Wgaither1 Wgaither1, you need to put this in front of a username for there to generate a notification: @Christian Virtue & Grace.
Facts? Just listen to the video. Mike is advocating 16th century doctrines created at and after the Reformation. The Reformers and now all Protestants are the Heterodox. They believe in the false doctrines created by men and not by the Apostles. Show me where Faith Alone is taught and I will show you that Sola Fide was not taught by Jesus to the Apostles.
Can Faith Alone Save You? Seriously? Here is a Doctrine given us by Dr. Martin Luther:
Luther 2:24 ~ *"YOU SEE THAT A MAN IS JUSTIFIED BY FAITH ALONE."*
Wgaither1, my bible has something very different and corresponds to exactly what the Holy Spirit THRU James declares to us: Faith Alone does not justify.
Christian Virtue & Grace ...you are right!
@@johnyang1420 The Holy Spirit rejects the Doctrine of Faith Alone.
The Protestant Scripture Twister Series #4 - Luther 2:24
ruclips.net/video/UoYYXo7wjdQ/видео.html
It's so sad that protestants continue to protest the Lord's church.
Amen
They’re heretics
They are entitled to protest, which is how Protestantism got its name; and most Protestants have no familiarity with the Faith of the early Church. It’s the relentlessly vicious, vile attacks on the Catholic Church-that would make Martin Luther blush-by purported followers of Christ that is hard to understand, but which clearly signals the influence of the Evil One.
Yay I’ve been waiting for this one ahaha
17:00 Correct Mike Winger. You are the Pope of your Church.
@FaithHopeGrace what does an LGBT mag deciding to plaster the Pope's face on their magazine have to do with the Catholic Faith??
Mike is his own pope! Ignore Faith! She is a hater!
For a guy who thinks he could do 52 weeks on breaking down Catholicism, it'd be nice if he could get literally anything right in the first 1 hour and 10 minutes he spends on it.
I won't mention all of his faulty arguments, but one of the worst and most common I hear is the "the Bible doesn't use the word pope!" is among the silliest. There are a lot of words Christians of all stripes ascribe to being properly in line with Christian doctrine that aren't in the Bible.
At 6:00 minutes you mention “the development of doctrine” as one of the beliefs about catholic authority. However when those doctrines clearly diverge from the teachings and revelations given by Jesus and the Apostles in the New Testament it is false doctrine at best, heresy at worst. When Jesus said “I am the way, the truth and the life, no man comes to the father but by me.” , Did he secretly mean not only through me but through Mary and through priests ordained by the Roman Catholic Church ? Or did Jesus get it wrong ?
When you add to the Gospel it is no longer the gospel but “another gospel” as Paul warned the Galatians in Gal 1:8
Here’s a good explanation:
www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/the-biblical-blueprint-for-the-priesthood
Nick Landry...Well Said!
@@jamescorbett8261 then why do you pray “Hail Mary full of Grace”? Grace is only given by God through Jesus Christ, not Mary. It is Jesus who is full of Grace and we should Hail the King of Kings.
If you personally believe that Jesus is where the buck stops on salvation, then that is great. However that’s not what the Catholic Church teaches as is evident in the prayers they give to Mary and the doctrines of Sacriment.
When John the Apostle gives us a vision of the throne room of God in Revelation, Mary is not there. Jesus is there with the Father and the Spirit.
1 Timothy 2:5 “For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,”
To the Father through the Son. To the Son through His Mother.
@@nicklandry8019 The Gospel of Luke. The Archangel Gabriel greeted Mary with the salutation, “Hail, full of grace” (Luke 1:28). She was filled with God-given grace, and it is He Who exalts Her. Mary is not divine, nor is She a part of the Holy Trinity; however, She has a singularly unique relationship with the Trinity: She is Daughter of the Father, Mother of the Son, and Spouse of the Holy Spirit.
Mary’s role, in both Her earthly life and in eternity, could best be described as that of a Queen Mother. In Old Testament times, a Queen Mother possessed considerable power and stature within the kingdom. A Jewish king had many wives, but only one mother, who acted as his chief counselor. Mary, as the Mother of the King of Kings, was no different.