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- Опубликовано: 13 апр 2023
- Genshin Impact Voice actors are not happy with AI Voice Trend, do you think it is bad?
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I prefer the original human voice actors they are the best ❤
Wait, I thought u meant Tighnari's original VA, sorry
@@DamslettesSIMP i don't like the previous voice actor, he is the worst, the thing he done is unforgivable. I like Tighnari's new voice actor he is good ✨
@@DamslettesSIMP also it's ok, don't worry, no need to apologise.
@@AnchitSutradhar i liked tighnari’s old voice better, but his old voice actor has done a lot of terrible things
Yeah the new va doesn't have to mimic the old va style because it will remind them of him so that's why it's different which is a good thing
It's even scary because with this advanced AI, someone will basically make a fake voiceline of someone they want to cancel and make it say something they won't say as an "evidence" to ruin their lives.
Yeah that's the scary thing. I remember a few years ago seeing a video talking about how deepfakes can be used (with this technology too) to make anyone say anything. A country could make a deepfake of a world leader declaring war on them and use that to feed propaganda to their people and possibly other nations to fuel a conflict.
jesus.... that's scary....
This was what made me concerned first too, people might even use your voice after your death too
With the recent "trend" of AI cosplay, tho it's not perfect since it still has flaw, but the fact that it's in a stage where it can make a realistic photo, then imagine what a voice one can do.
They could but the problem is still the fact that a actual source for it isn't present.
Most Genshin VA only appear in videos so it can't be easy to use a fake AI voice (pretending it actually sounded like a real human voice) without proofs of it having a source.
Most of the Genshin VA only appear in videos (related or unrelated to Genshin) so it would be hard to pretend that they said something back since there are a lot of people in the internet who would be able to easily track back said source and give proofs that it's fake as soon as it comes out.
So even if the voice sounded real enough the internet would find out it's fake and spread the news even double the speed than the hater sharing the "incriminating message"
In my oppinion an AI (right now) isn't able to give the exact quality of voice like a human. An AI isn't able to exchange feelings and other expressions... Voice actors are one of the most important partners for developers... Especially if the game they develope is filled with dialogues, voice lines, etc. We have to be aware of this matter and I think Hoyoverse is aware of this too (such like other companies).
We used to laugh at ai art 2 years ago, now they are almost identical to human made art or even real images if you dont look closely. We have already reached the state where ai started to learn about theory of mind so we cant even predict the very near future
No they can. The one who did the app just didn't have enough training sample. But they can replicate it to a crazy extent. Look at Biden and Trump deep fake voice. The thing about A.I now, it literally learns like the way our brain work. It needs training data. Chat GPT took more than a year to train using Microsoft azure network. In fact, ai models are easier to make than to train.
For now of course
But who knows how Ai will develop in a few years
@@acertainredburnygirl5265 Nah even if the rendering quality of the AI art is near identical, there's literally zero soul in any of the work. You can tell when something is AI generated even if the rendering quality is good because no matter how perfect a human made work looks there is always error in flaw in it, and that is what makes it feel natural. "Perfection" feels unreal and abnormal. Machine made. Honestly I hate AI, and people trying to use it to do commission work pretending that they're artists when the only effort they had to put in was punching in a few words into a generator. It disgusts me. I'd rather pay money for a real artist to create something for me.
@@starlette7820 Yep you are right. But as I said, we are in the stage where AI models started to learn about the theory of mind, which is literally a field that studies emotion. It might be long but not impossible for AI to mimic us or even gain consciousness, since our brain is but a very complex biological machine. One of the major differences is that computers (for now) use only 0 and 1 while we humans use 0 to 9.
But rest assured, the world will pass out laws to limit or even prohibit the development of many kinds of AI if they create any threat. Just like how they banned asexual reproduction.
First AI "art", now they replicate the voices!?? Why does this community adore AI so much, and can't try to have a look at real people's efforts.
Simple, the same reason cars outclassed horse carriages and guns outclassed swords and bows, progress
because all communities (not just genshin's) are full of incompetent manbabies that have the foresight of a goldfish. they don't realize (or refuse to realize) that AI will destroy a lot of people's livelihood for no good reason other than "oh look! trump is playing league of legends!"
Because Humans stink there the truth
@@pixadragon46 This ain't progress weirdo it's a freaking human voice it doesn't belong to a f$$king robot
@@pixadragon46 its always fun when its not your job on the line with the progress argument isnt it
VA's are paid and hired on their voice, so if an AI can perfectly replicate it then there would no longer be a reason to hire them when you can just sample their voice and use them for any project that needs voice acting.
it's the same case for artists but for some reason, VA's case holds more merit to some people....
They still have legal rights over their voice though. It's feels like kind of a form of plagiarism to use their voice without their consent.
@@klarissemagallanes8961 Yes but also no. As you change the product and make something new.
Voice *actors* are hired not just for their voice, but for their ability to convey emotion and actually *act*.
Well, VAs also hired for their acting as someone has already pointed out. But in the cases of voicing minor recurring NPCs like Liben, they may begin using AI instead of VAs which is dangerous as it will cut jobs.
This goes deeper than just AI voice being controversial. Not only do Voice actors work hard and get paid for what they do, which AI voice takes the hard work and copies it. This could take a turn for the worse and Innocent people (not just VAs ) could be wrongfully accused for stuff they didn't do, all from forged audio.
This is basically Detroit become human but for Genshin Va
“They’re beginning to believe!”
"28 STABS WOUNDS!!!"
Nah cuz Detroit become human as a whole is wayyy better than this AI situation,,
Only the part where everybody's jobs were taken away by AI. Other than that the AI isn't sentient and demanding rights, but instead is being used as a tool by corporations to save money by not having to pay anyone's wages.
“My name is Connor, the android sent by CyberLife.”
Ideally, AI is an extremely beneficial tool for indie artists/devs. Unfortunately, there are those who abuse it.
Same thing applies to smart devices. On the surface level, it’s a great invention. But the. You have things such as the dark/deep web. Unfortunately, there will always be those who exploit change for their benefit.
Keith Silverstein's voice is too op for AI to duplicate. Can't compete with geo archon's vocal cords.
i mean. Yeah. There is fandom around being a VA. While I doubt the job of being a VA will be replaced anytime soon, this voice replicating software has the potential to dramatically slim jobs for VAs.
On TOP of that, as Christina pointed out, it’s extremely unnerving to hear your own voice used to say things you never agreed to say. It is only one step away from people using these voices to replicate VAs who are also influencers (like Zach Aguilar, Aether’s VA, Khoi Dao, Albedo’s VA, and Alejandro Saab, Cyno’s VA). This technology could cause serious harm to their lives.
I totally understand the anger of the voice actors. It's not okay to copy their voices and use them. Same goes for musicians and their songs. We shouldn't just use, what's not ours. 🙂
I mean, imagine hearing your own voice saying things that you didn't say. That's uncanny.
Many ai actually sound quite realistic. it's completely unfair to the voice actors, considering it was never consented to.
The AI is literally going out of hand
Don't worry, everyone's going to keep brushing it off until we are fucked as a society. So just live the best you can
It is the future. People are always hesitant or critical towards new things
@@executioner5148 Bruh, people have already seen the implications and harm that AI can do if used the wrong way from all them sci-fi movies and shows we have from the past.
Now we're seeing them quickly becoming a reality with no established safeguards, laws, and regulations in place. That's enough reason for people to be extremely critical about them.
@@eyyoholup So, what you want, we stop making AI or what? for some shit movies? Pff, No law can control bad people and that's not AI fault, some time look into beneficial causes Ai.
@@thecreativeducky5781 stop over reacting you wuss lol…
Honestly, I couldn't blame them...
I hate it too.
As an artist, i absolutely hate AI too so I 100% understand how the voice actors feel. Please respect human effort. Some people in this community are just lazy to create their own content so they rely on an AI to do that for them, because they only want the numbers, views and likes for the content, but don't want to go through the actual effort of making it.
artist only hate AI because they dont get credited or it makes them lose money. Ai isnt bad, yall are just salty
The problem is not AI but capitalism.
We have come to a historical stage where either capital destroys the proletariat, or the proletariat destroys capital
@@datpurp9564 AI is infringing on human rights at this point
@@capitanspoiler7393 idk, i think it's overreacting
@@datpurp9564 I don't think you would like to hear your voice saying things that you never said. It's not about money here.
Oof I feel so bad for them. Imagine the stuff people could do with their voices 😭
Not to mention with how down bad this fandom is. Imagine you hear your voice nasty talking to a 13 year old simp.
Some used an AI recreation of Alhaitham’s voice to say some really really sexual things.
So yeah, stuff like that is definitely happening.
@@curefestive1774 bro what
Apparently an AI was used to replicate a girl's voice, and the person who did it made her mom believe she had been kidnapped
I don't know if she actually payed a ransom, but apparently the AI voice was REALLY realistic
This has to stop
Yep, it happened in France. (French here, saw it on national news.)
Her 16 yo daughter was away on a ski trip with her school when someone called her on the home phone.
It was an unknown number, so she hesitated but finally did pick up the phone. And when she did, she heard her daughter, crying, begging her mother to save her, before a stranger's voice hidden behind a voice changer took over and asked a 100000€ ransom, or else...
The mother hung up, saying that she'd do what was necessary, but before that, she called her daughter's mobile phone. Fortunately, her daughter picked up, and reassured her that she was safe and sound, so she didn't pay anything, but she did report this incident to the local law enforcement, who opened up an investigation to try to find the perpetrator.
@@JohnDoe-oo2lj wow, when did tht happened? I'm French and haven't watched the news in a while
The video I watched myself was in English
@@acrazyp cherry picked issue if I ever saw a cherry picking. Why are you using this to proclaim all ai as bad. Without even looking at the major good aspects either.
@@PlayfulDoggy name one good aspect
@@dandy4402 manga artists won't gave to kill themselves with the amount of crunch time they normally had prior.
I think its okay to use it for fun, if course not if the VA doesnt want it. As an Artist I was also struck by the AI images, they use Art by humans as basis and if you are unlucky, you could use your job in the future…
The fandom forgets that there's actual people behind these voices
Yes this is scary. In my school, we have been talking about how much AI is getting very problematic because how they perform is capable of making things seem realistic and persuasive. Not in only in art and writing, but we’ve had a conversation where it could be very easy to fool someone to believe a voice was legit, meaning “evidence” are potentially fake. AI is capable of producing voices which can be easily used to frame someone. We also talked about how there was a robot that “coded” itself a specific function without a person manually doing so. And how that relates that it’s scary in which these technologies are very advanced to whereas not “yet” released to the public because they are afraid we are not ready. That these advancements could be taken advantaged of towards the community. AI is very harmful when used unwisely, and so there are going to be consequences which I do believe we shouldn’t use AI if we are doing so immaturely
At this point AI no longer means 'Artificial Intelligence', but 'Artist/Actor Impersonator'.
Automatic Impersonator.
Artificial Irrelevant
A.I.
Amongus Impostor
Hate AI as much as ou want. This tech is now our new reality.
I can see people abusing the Genshin AI voices to make the character's VAs say something inappropriate or something straight out of a r34 Genshin animation is this technology falls under the wrong hands. Much more wrong than it already is.
To be honest AI was a really good technology breakthrough, for the most of it people misused it and took data from an artist without their consent it is just ruining everything. I used voice cloning AI for myself and to be clear I don't share the pre-trained model for others, and for most of the part I just used it to make a music cover and that's it. I just only hope people know what they're doing now days.
I think, the problem is not the AI, but people with bad intentions using/developing AI.
I can’t believe people actually do this! If you like the game, why would you violate amazing VA’s like this?! It’s shameful how far people go these days. Personally, I despise AI, because people try to replace hard-working humans with it. Unbelievable, really.
Bruh the future is about to go wild
As an illustrator 100% against AI
Did you Adobe photoshop added an AI tool that can Magically erase things like People and objects and leave a clean Background.
Scream harder as you hate AI while the very digital tools you use incorporate it.
These people work hard and I don’t think they should have to live in the fear of their job being replaced by a computer program
I’ve been known about AI voice programs for a lil while now since it has been used on Skyrim to make mods for quest, followers and such for a while now. Which I’m in favor of in those examples cuz it’s used primarily in that game and in the purpose of increasing playability within Skyrim.
This however isn’t the same thing. People using AI to copy voices of the actors aren’t doing it to mod or increase playability within Genshin. They’re just doing it to get fame or do something detrimental that’ll put the VA’s careers in jeopardy for something they didn’t say. Look, just don’t do it…either use your own voice or be a keyboard warrior don’t pull Genshin’s VAs into stupid shit they have to correct later.
I think some people make hilarious content with AI, but i understand the concern of voice actors.
original human sounds the best, clear, and full of real expressions that ai cant make
Okay, AI art was bad, but at least it didn't steal people's identity. With AI voice you can frame literally anyone for literally anything. Scary stuff.
I just wish people were honest about why they hate them. And that being that AI has a high chance of replacing them if exposed to enough source material. In the most simplistic perspective, it’s concern over job security. Which is understandable.
I see AI as a double edge sword. On one side, it has a terrifyingly real potential to replace a LOT of white collar careers and those of an artistic background. But at the same time, it reduces the barrier for those who may not be as creative/talented/financially capable to bring something they’ve always envisioned to life.
Or people simply don't want their fucking voices replicated by a machine that could say the most vile shit in existence...
It really isn't that hard!
Well, whatever it is, there's something about biology that mathematics can't handle. Voice actors still have their uses no matter what, though AI can improve efficiency.
Or one can use an AI to have them say things that break their NDA and end their career. Yeah, it's about job security too, but not just in the way you may think. Their contracts specify that they can't use their character voice to actually say anything that's not in the game because that can be taken out of context. If it gets to a point where it's indistinguishable from the real thing or close enough to not count, this practice can lead to these people losing their jobs for breach of contract.
Yeah, no. Let's not romanticize the use of AI. It's bad and should be regulated before it's too late.
AI can replicate the voice but can't replicate the Emotion which are most important
This tech has been around for a while for use in TTS, and now seeing it being able to change your voice into what ever sample (this can be done in the tiktok app with their TTS voices) makes it even more easy to replicate a human voice. In the past few years is when we have really seen people start to parse voicelines from actors of various shows and other media, and while it is fun to mess with it is still not what the actors intended their voice to be used for. Especially if this used to create sounds and voicelines for porn/hentai and any other nsfw.
Dude. Why were they paid for all those CLIMBING SOUNDS 😆
As an artist who also wants to voice act, god this hits home
I absolutely hate the ai “trend” with a burning passion, it’s one of the few things that I’ll continuously be angry about for long periods of time
I’ve already seen people try to train an ai to copy a certain artist’s artstyle and now this. Ai content is made in the laziest way possible, completely disregarding the time and effort people put into the original product. At this point I don’t care what it took to program the ai because they did it just to steal from others- those sick bastards really think they are entitled to other people’s content.
I’m just hoping that the AI generator companies get sued by artists and voice actors for unlawful use of their art and voices without permission and this “trend” starts to die just like NFTs
I feel the exact same way, AI is an insult to anything creative work. Nowadays you don't even need to write a good text, you can just get a robot to do it for you!! It's literally dystopian.
There's actually some ai that replicate almost perfectly with the va's voice. I was shocked when I watch a vid w ai voice like "when did they say this??", And it's not just me but the whole comment section talk about it. It sounds so realistic that doesn't sound like ai.
Tbh they won't be able to stop anyone, and they'll probably develop AI even more. Companies will find any way to cut costs, and the future, looks very much AI. As bad as it sounds, the world goes round.
No way any A.I could replicate the Mandarin speaking Xiangling. The breathiness and giggly nature is unreplaceable. I know this could age terribly, but I'll take the risk. If I hear an A.I do the “my favorite place is the chicken” intro in Mandarin perfectly, I'll stfu.
I think that one reached already a critical point. There was a case, not even a long while ago, where someone tried to get money from somone. They used the voice of the daughter who wasn't there in the moment (if I remember right she was for few days with her friends somewhere) and tried to trick the mother of her to think they kidnapped her daughter.
This was in the news. So I think we should stop there^^". It can be funny first until it starts destroying lives (like taking your voice and let it sag things you would never say, trick you family, maybe even get you in trouble with your partner if somone wants that. Really think about that)
I have heard more real ai voices than mentioned in the video. SEE the presidents ranking their favourite waifus videos.
I think the technology is fine, the problem is the utter lack of regulation with this technology. Within the decade AI will be able to fabricate entire speeches and conversations of celebrities, world leaders, etc. There needs to be a lot of laws to protect people before distinguishing between human and machine becomes impossible
The top comments are about people losing jobs to AI and sure it may be a huge problem but THIS is what concerns me the most. If AI gets so good that it's practically identical to what's real, then how the hell can we distinguish between what's real anymore and not. Fabrication and misinformation is gonna be more rampant than ever... as if it's not already a huge problem nowadays 🤧
And the black and white mindset in this generation won’t help us form critical thinking, nuance and some skepticism.
Honestly they have every right to be mad about this
I'm tired of people thinking they own things sold to others. You sell your voice to a game if you don't want weirdos to get ahold of and use it. Same with likenesses. When things enter the public domain for profit, they lose the right to call it private. *Sips osmanthus wine*
bad take you sign up to a company to do WORK FOR THAT COMPANY NOT EVERBODY
Damn people really need to watch Carole & Tuesday cuz it really depicts this AI situation to a tea
The Ai voice simulation, if used correctly and for greater goods might be not as bad sometimes.
For example, here in Latin America, the announcer for DBZ passed away few years ago, but thanks to Ai voice simulation, they've managed to restore such iconic voice, in homage to the epic lines he delivered back when we were kids, preserving his essence in the search of transcendence.
Yeah, some of the voice lines the community deliver are totally out of context to say the least 😂 but the original purpose, to preserve such talent, has made the creation of this Ai voice, a little less awkward.
AI is to IRL as the Akasha is to Sumeru.
Nah, I think 'the Internet' is more accurate. Even before AI, the Internet has destroyed many lives.
This brings back memories of how my friend can literally copy another person's voice perfectly, maybe he is the one that can be a perfect challenger for AI 😂
lmao and then artists get slandered when they speak up about this kind of thing happening to them
We are already there. My boyfriend's Mother got a call from someone who sounded JUST like her youngest son. She swore she spoke to her son. It was an AI voice that scammed her out of 9k that her son was in jail and needed bail money. Be careful out there. And I love you all.
Artists are all scared that they will be out of work because of AI. But the capacity of AI actually makes real people MORE valuable, rather than less.
We are not even realiced what AI and deep learning are about to do, is going to explode quite soon.
I have been following Neural Networks, Deep learning and machine Learning for almost a decade and can't keep up with the information and advances daily on the field. I am genuinely scared right now as much as excited. I think we are long past the point where we could stop the advances and reflect on them, because right now there are lots of interested people going mad on this field. No, "going mad" is not a metaphor
I think I may be thinking a bit too far but you can actually use these AI to create voices of the original VAs and like create fake scenarios where they maybe doing something illegal like Elliott (VA of tighnari) and put them in a difficult position.
That's what worries people. It only takes one serious nutjob with this AI tech to destroy someone's reputation/life.
@@eyyoholup The last thing people want is their lives destroyed by AI. that would be embarrassing to even tell someone😂
I personally don’t mine AI stuff, as in just for fun. It’s not gonna replace anything or anyone. However, if someone doesn’t WANT their voice or work being used through AI, then don’t. People should still be respectful of others wishes.
I can see AI could potentially get real VA's in trouble
Oh boy, this whole AI generator thing reminds me of that one Twitter video with AI-read subtitles of Jotaro vs DIO which dub-hating shitbags somehow preferred over the official voice acting of Seitz and Mercer. Still,no matter how AI tries to advance itself, there are vocal performances which can never be replicated in terms of the level of emotion and impact of line delivery.
Can you link it?
In my own videos with Xiao I just but together some of the original voicelines for fun, hope it isn’t a problem 😬
As an artist, I hate AI for this kind of use. It's like stealing other people's work for your own use without the consent of the original person. No matter if it's art, voice, or any form of media, AI to replicate anything is just thievery.
git gud scrub
This shit needs laws and a protection like some sort of a code to detect AI generated art, video or audio
Me myself playing with text AI, but shit I just play, I don't use it to do anything bad to the creators of the characters and I'd never even think about saying something made by AI is "mine". I have a pride at least, dude...
Before the ai voice changer, people were already using the in game voices like when characters get hurt, attacking, idling or die into some nsfw videos you can find in 18+ websites and contents
They made AI art from crap to ungodly realistic.... now they're targeting voices...
I won't be surprised if there would be a game or even a whole movie be flawlessly created by AI... as an amateur artist, I feel so obsolete.
I mean who would choose AI VO's while actor/actress doing their job properly?
Theres a few huge problems with it..firstly, the fact they can make them say anything at all, gets reallyyy messed up if they make them say lewd implications, its uncomfy as hell. Or something fake incriminating just because someone can just do it from hating in game character. Theyve gotten that dumb before. Theres a lot of ass sides to the community that it can become a huge problem with
I think it's terrifying if you put yourself in the VA shoes, the thought of people using my voice to possibly manipulate, scam or worse would be scary.
As much as it seems harmless on the surface there is no telling what could happen if it becomes more realistic. it could ruin lifes and careers potentially.
I think it would be completely ok if the VAs took legal action against it because even without doing bad with it- you didn't get their consent to take their voice in an app. they get PAID to voice act so it's basically a slap to the face.
im worried what Hoyoverse might do since they strictly prohibit the VAs to perform their characters outside their consent.
They’re doing the same thing with popular singers too. It’s ridiculous and scary. As a musician myself I would feel the same way if someone did that to my voice. If AI replaces everything then what’s the point of doing anything? Not to mention being able to make my voice say anything they want. Where do we draw the line with this kind of technological advancement?
Nothing can be more real than a voice actors job, nothing can be more real than a human artist making art.
Genshin VA went Ai copy their voice: "No, you can't do that because it was illegal!!"
Blue Archive: "Proceed with Aris sing Rap God"
You can really cause havoc via blaikmail & etc... with AI voice, I wouldn't be surprised if some people get falsely arrested in the future from something like this. Technology advancement is nice and all but knowing humanity's nature, new creative means to fuck up someones's day arises alongside advancement.
ai voice should be allowed because it's not replicating the real va's voice but only the va's replication of the character voice. so technically, it's not their real voice. it's like saying "don't cosplay as spider man because i act as him" it just doesn't make sense
We should all use human VA for voice acting since it has more feelings and feels and it's always better than AI but you can't lie, AI is cool af but please use them with consent if the VA didn't like it.
Thing is AI is already coming close to making it almost indistinguishable, maybe they're not quite there yet with some voice actors but have you seen those "Ariana Grande AI sings x song" tiktoks? There are also some Taylor Swift ones that are eerly similar and they can even vary between stages of their careers. First AI art and now this? Copyright laws should be updated asap.
AI voice is fine. As long as the AI doesn't claim to be the VA. I don't mind AI's voice-over. The quality will be worse than talented VA, but it's fine for some minor dialogs like NPC or world quests.
I'm sure you don't care because it's not your own livelihood that's being treated like this. Pretty sure that if you were to lose your job or got a pay cut because part of your job can now go to an AI, you might think differently.
@@vetreas366 when have people ever used ai voicechangers to ruin genshin va's lives? All I see is memes and shitposts, which is fine. If people replicated my voice for memes and stuff I'd be okay with that.
I prefer the human voice actors than the Ai
Although I am aware of this, it’s worst when it comes to AI. I’m afraid of the capabilities and drawbacks AI will have in the future
I think it’s harmless if you wanna say sumn silly and tame to a friend in their favorite character, but it can definitely be used with malice
You’re using someone else’s voice… a real human beings voice… WITHOUT their consent. That is disgusting. if you can’t see that that’s disgusting in itself then you need serious help.
@@mimikyuuss 1) Celebrities/actors/public officials unfortunately have a lower privacy expectation than citizens. I’m not saying it’s completely right to use their likeness but you have to at least understand being a public figure does not have the privacy expectation of a random joe.
2) When cameras were invented, some people argued that was an invasion of privacy as well. In todays age, you can make people look like they were “somewhere” or doing something. Not that it’s right, but it’s a comparison.
3) Using AI to sound like someone else is only a problem if there is criminal conduct behind it. At the moment, there aren’t any cases of criminal conduct with AI voices.
I dont think theres anything wrong with it if
1- the person doesnt have ill intentions
2-the voice actor gave consent.
both of these need to be existen for it to be healthy.
It should NEVER be done if the voice actor already said that theyre uncomfortable with it.
Just for the lols I would ask what is the name of the app for the voice AI.
And the serious stuff, I assume in some point that would had to happen. Even if the true VAs are not pleased it is something that would happen when they got older or something else happens.
Imagine if someone uses your voice to say obscene and disrespectful things online...
I can see why it’s terrifying especially in the wake of the Eliot glindi situation as someone could use a VAs voice like that without then knowing
People who argue AI art is simply progress are unable to think beyond the immediately obvious. The problem isn't AI itself, it's how it's used.
AI technology is great and in fields like medicine it will literally save lives. But having these things unrestricted will lead to a lot of problems.
Sure, guns replaced swords, but that doesn't mean we should give guns to small children. Cars replaced carriages, but you need a licence to drive them and there are rules how to drive like staying on the right/left (depending on where you live). Photographs were a great invention, but does their existance make it okay to secretly record people naked and publish them? Obviously not.
With every new invention, there will be laws and restrictions on how to ethically and savely use them. And AI is progressing so rapidly that there are no laws yet or they cannot be applied. For example all the AIs the Genshin community likes to use to produce fanart, cosplay, voice overs etc. violate copyright laws and/or identity laws by using tons of art and pictures of real people without their consent. However these AIs are trained with literally BILLIONS of pictures.
And you may say "Oh, it's just harmless fanart, it's not hurting anyone". Again, that's like advocating to give everyone and anyone access to guns because they can protect people. Yes, but in reality there will always be people who use these things for bad. For example these same AIs that make cosplay are also used to create deep fake porn. That means making AI porn of celebrities or influencers without their consent and it looks very real. These are real people and this is not some scary scenario but something that is happening right now. Seriously, look it up, some female streamers have already spoken up about ot after finding out there was porn of them being sold. In time, AI will progress and they will be indistinguishable from real recordings. How would you feel if someone sold porn of your body that people believe to be real?
This discussion isn't only about VAs losing their job, it's about anyone being able to recreate their voice and making them say whatever they want. Someone could make a recording of Keith Silverstein saying "Kill yourself" and send it to his children. Someone could make Erika say sth incredibly racist and claim it's real. Anything horrible you can imagine can and WILL happen if we don't actively advocate for restrictions being set in place to protect real people. AI makes incredible things possible, but where is the line? Progress is being able to screen the human DNA. So if that technology makes it possible to detect and erase heritary diseases, should it also be possible to create your own designer baby with only traits you approve of and erase any undesirable traits?
Yes, AI is progress. And as with every progress, we need to consider what is ethical and moral instead of just blindly accepting it.
I agree with regulations but anytime a new groundbreaking invention comes out there are people who oppose it for various hypothetical scenarios to justify their standpoint. When the horseless carriage was invented, many people protested because it would put horse breeding farms out of business. There will always be an argument against a new idea because someone will always suffer. Very rarely does a new invention come out in human history without it negatively affecting SOMEONE.
There’s also a thing called “standing” so regulations can’t be made without examples to support it. It’s easy to list off world ending examples of a new concept but it’s another to have actual evidence to support it. And to be clear, I’m not supporting AI be used irresponsibly but I’m only mentioning from a legal standpoint “abuse” can be anything and it can only be rectified with facts.
At the moment (and this can change) people are more worried about AI taking jobs than they are with criminal misconduct. Companies reserve the right to ban AI and so forth but when it comes to AI being used for criminal purposes I would support regulations preventing that from happening.
AI voice tracing is a thing that can never be used in a good way and that should be illegal, no matter the intention behind it. Even if you try to think of a scenario where it could save a life, it still is abysmally unlikely compared to all the harm it can't bring. So no, voice tracing is not good and will never be a healthy thing. Like imagine you voice a character and you find out your voice is then being used by an AI for mature content without ever having known about it. Yuck.
As a person who is currently studying at uni to become a computer engineer and small artist,i dont hate AI itself. AI is just a tool just like any other tool, the person that uses said ai for something bad is at fault.
You can’t stop the stupid people, as you can turn off the AI, but not the people.
This is really hard to stop. Like how much of a tone wavelength do you have to change to make it unique or different enough. Like in the future they are only going to need a few people expressing all the voices. it's insane
I swear AI is going out of hand somebody really need to stop this
@Yoimiya Fully agree. Modern technology wont end careers rather bring up new oppurtunities. BUT has to handled with proper care.
Who? God?
@Yoimiya i agree with you
Uhm I agree
I've watched some AI-generated US presidents voices playing games (including Genshin), and oh boy, I can't tell the difference with the real voice (other than the fact that the real US Presidents probably don't play games lol)
I am ok with AI, and think its fun to play with.
But in my opinion should be exclusively used only for private purposes, and not be monetized or released in any way.
This is super good option for modders like in Witcher 3 where ai voice was used in dialogs, Also i hear sth like this in Skyrim, 10/10
Honestly, seeing that is so disheartening. AI shouldn't be abused. Whoever who is doing those ai things, he/she should be banned from Genshin or worse, get arrested and be put on a fair trial.
It’s bad. It can be used for crimes or even replace the VA jobs and i would hate to not be able to see my favorites at cons and actually pay them for their time just for a photo or a signature. I wanna go to their panels the Genshin VAs r absolutely a hilarious riot at panels. The AI art is putting graphic designers out of business and putting my art account not seen. It’s unfair and I hate AI
It’s so disrespectful and creepy. This is crossing lines that shouldn’t be crossed
Regardless of AI quality, this technology is in urgent need of heavy regulation, incredible as it is people are abusing it beyond the limits of acceptable
For me, using other people voice without their permission is like committing crime
it's identity theft at this point
If someone wants to make a shitpost using AI voice who cares
I wanted to make an animation with using that exact app, thankfully I saw this video. Thanks for letting me know!
Didn't we literally have this very same discourse in 2019 when anime studios were hinting at using AI voice acting?
I'll be honest, I didn't really think much of AI voice, but after what Collei's VA said... Well, let's just say that I don't like swearing Irl and I definitely wouldn't be happy if someone found a way to use my voice to do that.
personally, I think their consent and how violating it feels does not matter, at all whatsoever, besides if you really respect and look up to the va in question.
A more concerning issue is if this were to be used for nefarious means, like incriminating one of the va's, but besides that I don't believe there is any reason to avoid the AI voices.
The best argument I can see for consent is that they may lose their jobs, but I believe for hoyoverse to officially use their AI voices in genshin they'd need the original owner's permission, since they would be making money off said voice, so again, not really any reason to avoid the voices.
Without a proper explanation, it just looks like paranoia on their part, which is kinda cringe ngl.
I think that AI is pretty cool until someone claims the AI work as their own
I mean it's incredible technology and there are lots of good uses for it too, so I don't think people feeling "threatened" by it justifies nobody being allowed to use it at all.
For sure it needs to be regulated so that for instance artists and voice actors don't lose their livelihoods. But if you just want to use it privately or non-profit then it really shouldn't matter.