Thanks for watching guys! Comment below what you think about the new LRX bullet. What do you think I should test next? I could stay with the copper theme and test the 116gr Absolute Hammer or 130gr Hornady GMX OR I could start testing some lead bullets with the Hornady 145gr ELD-X or 140gr Nosler Ballistic Tip. Let me know what you think!
The GMX would be good to see! I'd also be interested in seeing a 150 grain lead bullet like the Win. Power-Point. As someone who doesn't reload, it seems like that is all I can occasionally find on shelves.
Interesintg video. I don't know the Barnes bullets well as I don't use them. I think broadside shots should be fine but I agree it might cause troubles for shots that are not. Kind of no meat no fish because a true fragmenting bullet goes straight. The Hornady GMX doesn't do that in my experience but wounding performance degrades rapidly below 700 m/s (2300 fps) impact velocity. That's about 400 yds if muzzle velocity is the same as the LRX and I think is more than enough for most people. I have not personally tried but have seen other people doing it and the result was not anywhere close to what I think is good perfomrance. If I didn't have or didn't want to move to lead-free bullets I would certainly look at one among 145 gr ELD-X, 150 gr Accubond LR, 140 gr Accubond or BT. Personally, I really like the 150 gr Partition and consider it the best all-around bullet for the .270 Win. I also have the 145 ELD-X and 150 ABLR but not much experience with them. I am a big fan of the Partition because it has permformed flawlessy on roe deer (40-60 lbs), fallow deer (100-200 lbs) and wild boar (from 50 lbs piglets to large 300 lbs old keilers) from 50 to 350 yards year after year. The Nosler Partition hasn't got high BC but wind up to 10 mph has been manageable without much trouble even at 350 yds, so far. But I understand this might not be the same for everyone. Regarding terminal performance it's really a benchmark. It works down to velocities where many bullets fail and its construction allows very good results at close range. Moreover it would be my choice for larger game although the .270 Win is not ideal for this. I can get about 2900 fps out of my Tikka. I also like it in other calibers I have: 125 gr in 6.5 Swede at 2900 fps, 160 gr in 7x64 at 2850 fps and 165 gr in .308 Win at 2750 fps. I haven't tried in .223 Rem but I have been thinking about it for a while.
@@loganhalderman7186 If I see the 150gr Winchester Power Point on the shelf I'll pick it up so I could test it for you. I've been looking since I saw your comment a few weeks ago and still haven't been able to pick it up. I have the Hornady 130gr GMX on hand but Hornady changed their copper bullets this year and discontinued the GMX. Instead of the "GMX" they're now making the "CX." I called Hornady and spoke with their technicians and the official word I received from them is that there is no functional difference between the GMX and the CX. The difference is the GMX has sharper edges in the grooves while the CX has a smoother finish for mildly higher BC; But testing according to Hornady will provide identical terminal performance.
Thank you! I really appreciate the encouragement. More videos coming, just been SUPER cold and snowy here so I'm on a little bit of a pause. Let me know if there's anything you'd like to see.
Haha I agree! The only thing I'd keep in mind is this is shot into bare gelatin. It's not dealing with hide and bone. Either way it will work. I used a 110gr Barnes on a deer this year about ~230 yards. The wind kicked up and shot placement was not good. The deer dropped in her tracks likely from the velocity and shock.
I've got some of the 130 ttsx in 308 and it's definitely impressive in gel tests. Still have petal separation and it doesn't track straight but that larger diameter definitely causes more damage! I've have to video it soon!
Factory ammo or handloads? I'm working with these right now in my Tikka T3x 308 using Win brass, Fed210M primers, and TAC powder. Nothing overly impressive yet. Best groups were 1 and 1/4" at 100 yards with 50.5 grains of powder. Velocities from 3189 to 3195
@@oO2Pro4UOo No. I’ve run the 110 grain TTSX out of both my 270 Winchester and 270 WSM - Fast. I have found that “meat” damage is less than with Hornady SPs, and Nosler BTs. Then again, I tend to shoot them broadside through the ribs, and there’s not a lot of meat there.
Thanks for the testing. Love your presentation. Could you test a round nose bullet like the Sierra #1235 150g . Or the 180g. I’m thinking better terminal performance out to 300 yards or so.
Thanks for watching Michael! I had leg surgery on Wednesday so I'm going to a minute before I can do additional testing but I could look into it! I think you might mean the Sierra 2135? Sierra bullets have been the slowest to come to market this past year but I'll definitely keep an eye out!
I have 100 of them ready to be loaded in the 270. I have 100 of the 145gr 7mm as well to try in my wife's 7mm-08. If it doesn't work out, I guess I'll have to get a big 7mm since I've got the bullets.
Barnes punches straight threw game for me so far, this year's deer 6.5CM 127 LRX @100yds. Went 20 yards. Good vid 👍 Side note, I did some tests on 300wby and TTSX, 130/150gr shed all petals at 40yds but tract pretty true, 7-8 jugs of water.
Thanks for watching the video and for the sub! I don't feel the problem with Barnes is it's ability to penetrate big game. It'll surely do that reliably every time. However, I believe with the technology at our disposal we could do more than just penetrate an animal. We want to both cause maximum tissue damage in the vitals and penetrate through the other side. I have the 130 TTSX for my 308! I'll be sure to video that test for you guys too!
@@joshuahunt1210 as far as tech goes, imo Terminal Ascent bullets are the best... But out of stock everywhere for components. So until then I'll stick with what is readily available; Barnes LRX and TTSX, next best option. I just don't really want lead particles in my venison.
@@brent338 I heard about those Terminal Ascents. I'll have to test them out! I wasn't able to find any either when I was trying to figure out bullet lineups for this channel. I agree about the lead particles. My cousin killed a bear this year with a 150gr Core-Lokt 308 and I found lead about 7 inches away from the entry/exit wound. I would look hard at the "Lehigh Defense" Controlled Chaos lineup and the "Hammer" Hunter or Shock Hammer bullets to both give you deep penetration and maximum tissue damage in the vitals. I have videos on both the CC and Hunter bullets and I killed two deer with both styles of bullets this year with dramatic results. Shock Hammer will come out in the next few weeks.
I have shot barns always old X and ttsx only because I buy in bulk but when it comes to 270 I like the 110 gr for animals up to deer and 130 for bigger game, bear and elk, never lost an animal all shots from 30 to 500 yds, on hundreds of game animals, never had a pedal shear off unless contacted heavy bone. I have never used LRX tho.
Thanks for watching Lonnie! I believe the Barnes bullets really benefit from high velocity impacts proportional to the size of the game being hunted. In theory that would equate to 130gr Lead or 110gr Copper and 150gr Lead or 130gr Copper. I'm not a huge fan of the Barnes wounding mechanism because I would prefer a fragmenting copper bullet over a solid however I could attest as well the 110gr kills very well within 300 on deer. Not sure I would personally trust it past 300, pesonally preferring a softer bullet out to 500+. But many many people love Barnes for everything under the sun and they are a good company with nice people!
@@joshuahunt1210 I agree velicity is key to barns bullets. The barns are also longer then your lead bullets that why you go light for caliber. I also don't like the idea of having lead in my meat! Keep it up!
Try the original x bullet . I’ve noticed that they don’t shed pedals as bad . I assume that when they went to the ttsx they had to thin out the copper to accommodate the tip . I shot a deer at 298 yards last season with my 35 Whelen using a 180grain ttsx . It was a frontal shot so I was able to recover the bullet . It shed all of its pedals . The deer dropped like a rock but I was a bit disappointed that it did that .
Do you mean the "original" original (which is no longer being produced) or the standard TSX which is widely available today? I have a far amount of testing to get back to so I thank you for your suggestion!
A stability factor of 1.378 isn't great. According to berger, Sg below 1.5 results in degradation of the ballistic efficiency... basically a reduction in BC. And stability varies with air density so if you hunt at low altitudes and/or low temperatures these LRX bullets kind of don't make sense. They lengthened the TTSX to increase the BC on the box but they are hard to stabilize so... much if not all of that BC gain is lost to increased drag from lower gyroscopic stability... So my advice: before you buy, run the stability calcs for your twist rate to verify that the Stability factor is above 1.5 across the range of altitudes and temperatures you hunt. At some threshold stability will start to open up your groups... likely around 1.2 In my opinion the regular TTSX bullets are better. And if you want a crazy high BC with good terminal characteristics... The Nosler Accubond and Accubond LR bullets might be worth a look... they are easier to stabilize than Barnes LRX. Cheers! UPDATE: I am seeing good performance within hunting distances at miller stability factors around 1.3… I think the 1.5 rule is more for long range shooting beyond transonic. UPDATE#2 (2024): I have since learned that the miller stability formula grossly under states stability of plastic tipped bullets. There is a modified miller formula that more accurately accounts for the stabilizing effects of the tips. If you calculate a miller Sg of 1.2 for a plastic tipped bullet your actual Sg will be closer to 1.5. The folks that produced the modified the miller formula did observe increased drag at Sg below 1.2 and instability at Sg below 1.0. So i apologize, my comment above was incorrect… your miller stability factor of 1.378 is really quite good. Cheers!
I 100% agree with your statement. I'd also suggest people took to the Berger Classic Hunter if looking for a deer/antelope size animal with good long range performance. I took a deer with the 140 Berger Classic Hunter at ~230 this past season and the terminal results and exit wound were catastrophic. I took another at ~280 with the ~140 Ballistic Tip and the results were very well rounded.
Clearly by what you wrote you are another cheap lead core bullet fanboy. I live and guide hunts in Alaska with myself I exclusively shoot Barns bullets and a requirement for clients to bring Barns ammo with the TSX or TTSX bullets. All that you wrote Barns bullets won't work in different altitudes and low tempters is your own concocted liars BS! I also hunt the west side of the Pacific NW where winters are cold and wet using Barns TSX bullets for Black tail deer and Roosevelt Elk. Those lead core Accubonds should be called splatter bonds because used on Yukon Moose - Brown bears - Large Roosevelt Elk the bullets latterly blow up into lead fragments - copper chunk bombs! And talking about rifling twist rates add all this up you are one in a million RUclips groupie Parrot mouth talkers!
No worries, Steven. At the moment I don't have a 6.5 to test with. I'm setup to reload 6.5 and would gladly test, but don't have the firearm to go with it. At some point soon I hope to, just need to raise the funds to buy the rifle. I can currently test .270, .308, .223, and .25. Right now the weather is in the negative digits so I'm on hold a couple weeks though.
The problem with reduced velocity loads is the rpm lower than a full power load. Velocity drops with range but I don’t believe the rpm changes much? Not sure if that makes a difference?
The RPM won't change much as the velocity drops downrange. RPM has more to do with what happens immediately proceeding the muzzle, (velocity + twist rate) but the decrease in RPM won't happen enough to matter until significantly downrange. Speaking 1200+ yards. And I'm not well versed enough to speak past that. My RPM knowledge has come from the fine folks at the Cast Boolits forum. Those bullets are going slow enough that RPM really does begin to mean a lot. In terms of terminal performance, which is what this channel is about, the RPM will have little impact as long as we have proper stability. Thank you for watching, Ron! I'm dealing with a knee surgery but afterwards I'm hoping to have much more content out!
Personally, I love the 127gr Lehigh Defense. If you can't get ahold of that one I'd recommend the 140gr Nosler Ballistic Tip, the 150gr Interlock, 110gr TTSX or the 130gr Interlock. I've had good success with all those bullets. The Berger 140gr Classic Hunter is also a dramatic killer, however I've found jacket particles far from the impact location which makes me nervous to recommend it. I am not crazy over the 117gr Hammer Hunter bullet either as I am not a fan of it's massive fragmentation nor do I find it kills any quicker than the aforementioned bullets. As much as I like the people who own and work at both Berger and Hammer, I would not personally use either of those bullets. Hope this helps.
Like which ones? Heaviest/Longest I own is the 178gr ELD-X 30 cal. I had a 338 Lapua in 300gr here the other day, but had to ship it off to the customer we built it for. Should have tested those 300gr Bergers in the block though...... Missed opportunity!
@@joshuahunt1210 Well when I wrote this I was thinking of Hornadys new heaviest .284 cx copper bullet as well as, Hammer, Cutting Edge and Leigh heavier copper bullets. As this is an ever learning subject, I hear all the more that copper bullets veer during penitration. One so bad, that supposedly while entering game the bullet came out the same side it entered. But who knows. It also seems that this don't seem to happen with lead core bullets. But who knows.... I recently found Hard Atler Hunting out of New Zealand. He makes some great points and is very down to earth with great comman scene. I really enjoy him. So, my conclusion is, just have fun....
The testing I'm doing is in pertains to soft tissue gel mediums. I don't plan at this time to add hard barrier penetration to my future testing videos. However, being a monolithic bullet I would safely venture that bones will pose no threat to the bullet. I shot a deer this year with a 110gr Barnes in my 308 at 240 yards, passing through the shoulder bone. The deer ran around in a circle before collapsing in the same location it was standing when I shot it. Bloodshot was minimum with little to no meat waste. I'd imagine the 129gr Barnes LRX will perform the same. In the future I'll be testing some Maker bullets which should also perform admirably.
After looking at tge controlled chaos bullet, it appears to have better expansion characteristics, i just don't trust their BC numbers to be that close to barnes LRX, FWIW. I think they fall into the same category as Hammer: doing estimated or poorly designed BC tests to help inflate BC numbers. There's no free lunch, what you gain in BC you lose in terminal performance and vice versa
My wife killed her first buck at 287 with a Lehigh bullet using the BC numbers they publish. I'm thinking they're good for sub-400 but over that I may be looking at far more testing.
It doesn’t look like they are veering enough to make much of a difference on game. If the bullet enters on the shoulder or just behind the shoulder I would think it would still be exiting out of vitals rather than the stomach.
Maybe the bullets are not tracking straight because of the plastic blocks. I personally dislike clear ballistics blocks I would rather shoot 20% gelatin at the proper temperature, I believe it is more representative of tissue.
That's a good point and one well taken and understood. However, I did experience the same tracking issue using 10% knox gel. I've tested Barnes bullets a lot and always seem to come up with mixed results with it.
We have used the Barnes 129 grain LRX for red deer hunting in New Zealand, in a .270WSM. Your low velocity impact results demonstrate the critical problem with this bullet. Barnes used to make all sorts of ridiculous minimum expansion velocity claims for the LRX range, I can say categorically that it is a very poor choice for longer range deer shooting. Since Barnes was bought by Sierra they have stopped making quite so many daft claims, but still, the name “Long Range X” is very misleading. As demonstrated in your video, the expansion sub ~2200fps is minimal and the wound cavity is insufficient to deliver a clean kill unless the shot is absolutely on the money (e.g. high shoulder / spine). Anything slightly behind the shoulder is a guaranteed fail. The issue of these bullets veering off one way or the other is also a major problem for longer range shooting, which is a point I think you have made very well. The simple fact, from bitter experience, is that larger deer shot with this bullet have a high probability of a long run and potential loss altogether. I have watched deer shot at ~450m barely react to the hit and trot off before deciding it’s probably a good idea to keep going. Hours and hours of tracking with the dogs and some of the distances the deer have covered are incredible, 1 mile+ in hard terrain, and sometimes still alive when finally located. The wound autopsy of double lung shots always demonstrates the same thing: narrow temporal wound cavity, tiny exit, minimal blood loss. Compared to a soft fragmenting hunting bullet it is quite obvious why they perform so poorly. The bottom line is that this kind of bullet is a woeful performer at longer range and for our conditions and deer culling requirements we will only use soft high BC lead bullets such as Hornady ELD-M/-X, Speer BTSP, Nosler BT. The channel Frontline Rejects has tested various types of bullets and the evidence speaks for itself, albeit they use water as a capture medium. Thanks for doing this test because the low velocity impact is far more representative of field conditions at longer ranges.
Man thank you so much for your thoughtful reply. I couldn't agree more. My experience with Barnes bullets on deer and wild hogs has been hit or miss as well. The people at Barnes are very kind, the data they provide for reloaders is valuable, and Barnes bullets at extra high velocities in larger calibers are performers. However, when that velocity drops their performance becomes difficult to rely upon. If I were to choose a bullet for a "hunt of a lifetime" I would not choose Barnes. I think there's a fair amount of brand loyalty when it comes to Barnes bullets and that drives their popularity. With technology advancing as it does in copper bullets I'm shocked Barnes hasn't created a "fragmenting" nose bullet to add to their line.
I do. His stability is crap in the air and completely too low in gel. Needs a faster twist for that bullet. He's on the edge of what you'd expect to tumble once it hits the gel with the low velocity shot. 1.5 is absolute bare minimum with copper bullets and 2.0 is ideal. There is no doubt that with that low of SG the bullet has yaw, and the BC is greatly lowered.
Right, "Seemingly no reason." In other words there's no obstruction to cause it to veer off. And I've dealt with it often in these Barnes bullets as well as the Hammer bullets on occasion.
@@joshuahunt1210 Another load I'd like to try on both elk within a 100 yrds and deer within 200 yrds, is 190 grain flat nose HAWK bullet in my 30-30, as well as my 308. I just think that would be a hammer. A 400-450 lb cow elk out to 100 yrds would work well with that load, I think.
Your bullets veer to the right when petals are lost the balance of the bullet is affected. Then most rifles are sold with s right hand twist. Lose bullet balance and spin it to the right and suprise the bullets head to the right. Just common sense.
Thanks for watching guys! Comment below what you think about the new LRX bullet. What do you think I should test next? I could stay with the copper theme and test the 116gr Absolute Hammer or 130gr Hornady GMX OR I could start testing some lead bullets with the Hornady 145gr ELD-X or 140gr Nosler Ballistic Tip. Let me know what you think!
The GMX would be good to see! I'd also be interested in seeing a 150 grain lead bullet like the Win. Power-Point. As someone who doesn't reload, it seems like that is all I can occasionally find on shelves.
Interesintg video. I don't know the Barnes bullets well as I don't use them. I think broadside shots should be fine but I agree it might cause troubles for shots that are not. Kind of no meat no fish because a true fragmenting bullet goes straight. The Hornady GMX doesn't do that in my experience but wounding performance degrades rapidly below 700 m/s (2300 fps) impact velocity. That's about 400 yds if muzzle velocity is the same as the LRX and I think is more than enough for most people. I have not personally tried but have seen other people doing it and the result was not anywhere close to what I think is good perfomrance. If I didn't have or didn't want to move to lead-free bullets I would certainly look at one among 145 gr ELD-X, 150 gr Accubond LR, 140 gr Accubond or BT. Personally, I really like the 150 gr Partition and consider it the best all-around bullet for the .270 Win. I also have the 145 ELD-X and 150 ABLR but not much experience with them. I am a big fan of the Partition because it has permformed flawlessy on roe deer (40-60 lbs), fallow deer (100-200 lbs) and wild boar (from 50 lbs piglets to large 300 lbs old keilers) from 50 to 350 yards year after year. The Nosler Partition hasn't got high BC but wind up to 10 mph has been manageable without much trouble even at 350 yds, so far. But I understand this might not be the same for everyone. Regarding terminal performance it's really a benchmark. It works down to velocities where many bullets fail and its construction allows very good results at close range. Moreover it would be my choice for larger game although the .270 Win is not ideal for this. I can get about 2900 fps out of my Tikka. I also like it in other calibers I have: 125 gr in 6.5 Swede at 2900 fps, 160 gr in 7x64 at 2850 fps and 165 gr in .308 Win at 2750 fps. I haven't tried in .223 Rem but I have been thinking about it for a while.
@@loganhalderman7186 If I see the 150gr Winchester Power Point on the shelf I'll pick it up so I could test it for you. I've been looking since I saw your comment a few weeks ago and still haven't been able to pick it up. I have the Hornady 130gr GMX on hand but Hornady changed their copper bullets this year and discontinued the GMX. Instead of the "GMX" they're now making the "CX." I called Hornady and spoke with their technicians and the official word I received from them is that there is no functional difference between the GMX and the CX. The difference is the GMX has sharper edges in the grooves while the CX has a smoother finish for mildly higher BC; But testing according to Hornady will provide identical terminal performance.
Very well done. Great demonstration. Good information & perspective. Thank you.
Thank you! I really appreciate the encouragement. More videos coming, just been SUPER cold and snowy here so I'm on a little bit of a pause. Let me know if there's anything you'd like to see.
@@joshuahunt1210 Nothing in particular. I just take what the folk like you all produce & take that information.
@@guardianminifarm8005 That's a great mindset! Thank you for the kind words too. See you next time!
Nice job. Very detailed.
Thank you!
270 is ferocious, high pressure and superb ballistics.
100%!
Good job
I love my.270’s and have used them in Africa and back to the states and I do enjoy your videos, thanks.
Thanks for watching! I'll have some more videos out later this year. Love my 270 too.
There's no animal thicker than 2ft side to side chest cavity in America, so imo that first 1/2"-9 1/2" is all that matters and it looked amazing
Haha I agree! The only thing I'd keep in mind is this is shot into bare gelatin. It's not dealing with hide and bone. Either way it will work. I used a 110gr Barnes on a deer this year about ~230 yards. The wind kicked up and shot placement was not good. The deer dropped in her tracks likely from the velocity and shock.
@Paul Not to be matched, but to be a repeatable test medium
Moose, bears, are all wider than 2 diameter chest cavity.
When an animal is quartering away, the depth to the vitals is much higher… the more penetration the better
I love the 130 ttsx in my 308 kills like lightning. I was looking into these for my 270 .
I've got some of the 130 ttsx in 308 and it's definitely impressive in gel tests. Still have petal separation and it doesn't track straight but that larger diameter definitely causes more damage! I've have to video it soon!
Factory ammo or handloads? I'm working with these right now in my Tikka T3x 308 using Win brass, Fed210M primers, and TAC powder. Nothing overly impressive yet. Best groups were 1 and 1/4" at 100 yards with 50.5 grains of powder. Velocities from 3189 to 3195
Do you have much meat destruction because of the high velocity?
@WaTcHMeOnPCin1440p if you hit bone yes. They blow bone up like glass
@@oO2Pro4UOo No. I’ve run the 110 grain TTSX out of both my 270 Winchester and 270 WSM - Fast.
I have found that “meat” damage is less than with Hornady SPs, and Nosler BTs.
Then again, I tend to shoot them broadside through the ribs, and there’s not a lot of meat there.
Thanks for the testing.
Love your presentation.
Could you test a round nose bullet like the Sierra #1235 150g . Or the 180g.
I’m thinking better terminal performance out to 300 yards or so.
Thanks for watching Michael! I had leg surgery on Wednesday so I'm going to a minute before I can do additional testing but I could look into it! I think you might mean the Sierra 2135? Sierra bullets have been the slowest to come to market this past year but I'll definitely keep an eye out!
I have 100 of them ready to be loaded in the 270. I have 100 of the 145gr 7mm as well to try in my wife's 7mm-08. If it doesn't work out, I guess I'll have to get a big 7mm since I've got the bullets.
Thanks for watching! I'd say whichever will give you the highest velocity in that bullet is going to be your huckleberry. Good hunting!
working well in my 270win with superperformance powder. 3200fps. Also loading the 145grains in my 7mm rem mag.
Barnes punches straight threw game for me so far, this year's deer 6.5CM 127 LRX @100yds. Went 20 yards. Good vid 👍
Side note, I did some tests on 300wby and TTSX, 130/150gr shed all petals at 40yds but tract pretty true, 7-8 jugs of water.
Thanks for watching the video and for the sub! I don't feel the problem with Barnes is it's ability to penetrate big game. It'll surely do that reliably every time. However, I believe with the technology at our disposal we could do more than just penetrate an animal. We want to both cause maximum tissue damage in the vitals and penetrate through the other side. I have the 130 TTSX for my 308! I'll be sure to video that test for you guys too!
@@joshuahunt1210 as far as tech goes, imo Terminal Ascent bullets are the best... But out of stock everywhere for components. So until then I'll stick with what is readily available; Barnes LRX and TTSX, next best option. I just don't really want lead particles in my venison.
@@brent338 I heard about those Terminal Ascents. I'll have to test them out! I wasn't able to find any either when I was trying to figure out bullet lineups for this channel. I agree about the lead particles. My cousin killed a bear this year with a 150gr Core-Lokt 308 and I found lead about 7 inches away from the entry/exit wound. I would look hard at the "Lehigh Defense" Controlled Chaos lineup and the "Hammer" Hunter or Shock Hammer bullets to both give you deep penetration and maximum tissue damage in the vitals. I have videos on both the CC and Hunter bullets and I killed two deer with both styles of bullets this year with dramatic results. Shock Hammer will come out in the next few weeks.
great review / explanation.
have you done a similar test with the 136gr Federal Terminal Ascent?
I have not, nor do I have any 136gr Terminal Ascent Bullets with which I could test, but I'll keep it on my radar.
I have shot barns always old X and ttsx only because I buy in bulk but when it comes to 270 I like the 110 gr for animals up to deer and 130 for bigger game, bear and elk, never lost an animal all shots from 30 to 500 yds, on hundreds of game animals, never had a pedal shear off unless contacted heavy bone. I have never used LRX tho.
Thanks for watching Lonnie! I believe the Barnes bullets really benefit from high velocity impacts proportional to the size of the game being hunted. In theory that would equate to 130gr Lead or 110gr Copper and 150gr Lead or 130gr Copper. I'm not a huge fan of the Barnes wounding mechanism because I would prefer a fragmenting copper bullet over a solid however I could attest as well the 110gr kills very well within 300 on deer. Not sure I would personally trust it past 300, pesonally preferring a softer bullet out to 500+. But many many people love Barnes for everything under the sun and they are a good company with nice people!
@@joshuahunt1210 I agree velicity is key to barns bullets. The barns are also longer then your lead bullets that why you go light for caliber. I also don't like the idea of having lead in my meat! Keep it up!
Try the original x bullet . I’ve noticed that they don’t shed pedals as bad . I assume that when they went to the ttsx they had to thin out the copper to accommodate the tip . I shot a deer at 298 yards last season with my 35 Whelen using a 180grain ttsx . It was a frontal shot so I was able to recover the bullet . It shed all of its pedals . The deer dropped like a rock but I was a bit disappointed that it did that .
Do you mean the "original" original (which is no longer being produced) or the standard TSX which is widely available today? I have a far amount of testing to get back to so I thank you for your suggestion!
A stability factor of 1.378 isn't great. According to berger, Sg below 1.5 results in degradation of the ballistic efficiency... basically a reduction in BC. And stability varies with air density so if you hunt at low altitudes and/or low temperatures these LRX bullets kind of don't make sense. They lengthened the TTSX to increase the BC on the box but they are hard to stabilize so... much if not all of that BC gain is lost to increased drag from lower gyroscopic stability... So my advice: before you buy, run the stability calcs for your twist rate to verify that the Stability factor is above 1.5 across the range of altitudes and temperatures you hunt. At some threshold stability will start to open up your groups... likely around 1.2
In my opinion the regular TTSX bullets are better. And if you want a crazy high BC with good terminal characteristics... The Nosler Accubond and Accubond LR bullets might be worth a look... they are easier to stabilize than Barnes LRX.
Cheers!
UPDATE: I am seeing good performance within hunting distances at miller stability factors around 1.3… I think the 1.5 rule is more for long range shooting beyond transonic.
UPDATE#2 (2024):
I have since learned that the miller stability formula grossly under states stability of plastic tipped bullets. There is a modified miller formula that more accurately accounts for the stabilizing effects of the tips. If you calculate a miller Sg of 1.2 for a plastic tipped bullet your actual Sg will be closer to 1.5. The folks that produced the modified the miller formula did observe increased drag at Sg below 1.2 and instability at Sg below 1.0.
So i apologize, my comment above was incorrect… your miller stability factor of 1.378 is really quite good.
Cheers!
I 100% agree with your statement. I'd also suggest people took to the Berger Classic Hunter if looking for a deer/antelope size animal with good long range performance. I took a deer with the 140 Berger Classic Hunter at ~230 this past season and the terminal results and exit wound were catastrophic. I took another at ~280 with the ~140 Ballistic Tip and the results were very well rounded.
Clearly by what you wrote you are another cheap lead core bullet fanboy.
I live and guide hunts in Alaska with myself I exclusively shoot Barns bullets and a requirement for clients to bring Barns ammo with the TSX or TTSX bullets.
All that you wrote Barns bullets won't work in different altitudes and low tempters is your own concocted liars BS!
I also hunt the west side of the Pacific NW where winters are cold and wet using Barns TSX bullets for Black tail deer and Roosevelt Elk.
Those lead core Accubonds should be called splatter bonds because used on Yukon Moose - Brown bears - Large Roosevelt Elk the bullets latterly blow up into lead fragments - copper chunk bombs!
And talking about rifling twist rates add all this up you are one in a million RUclips groupie Parrot mouth talkers!
Do you test 6.5 CM? Can you test the 6.5 122gr Controlled Chaos by Lehigh and the 127gr LRX?
This is my question. She was signed in on my laptop by mistake.
No worries, Steven. At the moment I don't have a 6.5 to test with. I'm setup to reload 6.5 and would gladly test, but don't have the firearm to go with it. At some point soon I hope to, just need to raise the funds to buy the rifle. I can currently test .270, .308, .223, and .25. Right now the weather is in the negative digits so I'm on hold a couple weeks though.
Done a lot of killin’ with the 110 TTSX outta my 270…
Now that's a bullet weight I'll agree with in a Barnes bullet! They need lighter weights and higher velocities to work to the best of their ability.
Barnes ammo is designed to penetrate and expand to harvest game animals. It’s a hunting round not a target round.
Yep! Wholeheartedly agree. Thanks for watching.
The problem with reduced velocity loads is the rpm lower than a full power load. Velocity drops with range but I don’t believe the rpm changes much? Not sure if that makes a difference?
The RPM won't change much as the velocity drops downrange. RPM has more to do with what happens immediately proceeding the muzzle, (velocity + twist rate) but the decrease in RPM won't happen enough to matter until significantly downrange. Speaking 1200+ yards. And I'm not well versed enough to speak past that. My RPM knowledge has come from the fine folks at the Cast Boolits forum. Those bullets are going slow enough that RPM really does begin to mean a lot. In terms of terminal performance, which is what this channel is about, the RPM will have little impact as long as we have proper stability. Thank you for watching, Ron! I'm dealing with a knee surgery but afterwards I'm hoping to have much more content out!
The rpm will be directly proportional ti the velocity, so reduced load testing is the same as a long range shot impacting at the same velocity
In your opinion what is the best hunting bullet for the 270 I just got my first 270
Personally, I love the 127gr Lehigh Defense. If you can't get ahold of that one I'd recommend the 140gr Nosler Ballistic Tip, the 150gr Interlock, 110gr TTSX or the 130gr Interlock. I've had good success with all those bullets.
The Berger 140gr Classic Hunter is also a dramatic killer, however I've found jacket particles far from the impact location which makes me nervous to recommend it. I am not crazy over the 117gr Hammer Hunter bullet either as I am not a fan of it's massive fragmentation nor do I find it kills any quicker than the aforementioned bullets. As much as I like the people who own and work at both Berger and Hammer, I would not personally use either of those bullets. Hope this helps.
Wonder how the longer heavier snd larger calibers track in blocking?
Like which ones? Heaviest/Longest I own is the 178gr ELD-X 30 cal. I had a 338 Lapua in 300gr here the other day, but had to ship it off to the customer we built it for. Should have tested those 300gr Bergers in the block though...... Missed opportunity!
@@joshuahunt1210 Well when I wrote this I was thinking of Hornadys new heaviest .284 cx copper bullet as well as, Hammer, Cutting Edge and Leigh heavier copper bullets.
As this is an ever learning subject, I hear all the more that copper bullets veer during penitration. One so bad, that supposedly while entering game the bullet came out the same side it entered. But who knows. It also seems that this don't seem to happen with lead core bullets. But who knows....
I recently found Hard Atler Hunting out of New Zealand. He makes some great points and is very down to earth with great comman scene. I really enjoy him.
So, my conclusion is, just have fun....
My question or better yet a test to see the impact velocity at 300 yards what type of impact it has on bones and meat.
The testing I'm doing is in pertains to soft tissue gel mediums. I don't plan at this time to add hard barrier penetration to my future testing videos. However, being a monolithic bullet I would safely venture that bones will pose no threat to the bullet. I shot a deer this year with a 110gr Barnes in my 308 at 240 yards, passing through the shoulder bone. The deer ran around in a circle before collapsing in the same location it was standing when I shot it. Bloodshot was minimum with little to no meat waste. I'd imagine the 129gr Barnes LRX will perform the same. In the future I'll be testing some Maker bullets which should also perform admirably.
Would you say, 277 130ttsx has better weight retention than the 129 LRX?
I would say they're nearly identical in both expansion characteristics (even minimum velocity in regards to expansion rate) and weight retention.
Could the bullets be vearring off because of losing it's peddles?
Yes.
After looking at tge controlled chaos bullet, it appears to have better expansion characteristics, i just don't trust their BC numbers to be that close to barnes LRX, FWIW. I think they fall into the same category as Hammer: doing estimated or poorly designed BC tests to help inflate BC numbers. There's no free lunch, what you gain in BC you lose in terminal performance and vice versa
My wife killed her first buck at 287 with a Lehigh bullet using the BC numbers they publish. I'm thinking they're good for sub-400 but over that I may be looking at far more testing.
It doesn’t look like they are veering enough to make much of a difference on game. If the bullet enters on the shoulder or just behind the shoulder I would think it would still be exiting out of vitals rather than the stomach.
Yes, but I like to know what's going to happen to a bullet when it exits my animal.
@@joshuahunt1210 you’ll never know that. All bullets can do some weird sht. Especially if it hits bone at just the right angle.
Maybe the bullets are not tracking straight because of the plastic blocks. I personally dislike clear ballistics blocks I would rather shoot 20% gelatin at the proper temperature, I believe it is more representative of tissue.
That's a good point and one well taken and understood. However, I did experience the same tracking issue using 10% knox gel. I've tested Barnes bullets a lot and always seem to come up with mixed results with it.
We have used the Barnes 129 grain LRX for red deer hunting in New Zealand, in a .270WSM. Your low velocity impact results demonstrate the critical problem with this bullet. Barnes used to make all sorts of ridiculous minimum expansion velocity claims for the LRX range, I can say categorically that it is a very poor choice for longer range deer shooting. Since Barnes was bought by Sierra they have stopped making quite so many daft claims, but still, the name “Long Range X” is very misleading. As demonstrated in your video, the expansion sub ~2200fps is minimal and the wound cavity is insufficient to deliver a clean kill unless the shot is absolutely on the money (e.g. high shoulder / spine). Anything slightly behind the shoulder is a guaranteed fail. The issue of these bullets veering off one way or the other is also a major problem for longer range shooting, which is a point I think you have made very well. The simple fact, from bitter experience, is that larger deer shot with this bullet have a high probability of a long run and potential loss altogether. I have watched deer shot at ~450m barely react to the hit and trot off before deciding it’s probably a good idea to keep going. Hours and hours of tracking with the dogs and some of the distances the deer have covered are incredible, 1 mile+ in hard terrain, and sometimes still alive when finally located. The wound autopsy of double lung shots always demonstrates the same thing: narrow temporal wound cavity, tiny exit, minimal blood loss. Compared to a soft fragmenting hunting bullet it is quite obvious why they perform so poorly. The bottom line is that this kind of bullet is a woeful performer at longer range and for our conditions and deer culling requirements we will only use soft high BC lead bullets such as Hornady ELD-M/-X, Speer BTSP, Nosler BT. The channel Frontline Rejects has tested various types of bullets and the evidence speaks for itself, albeit they use water as a capture medium. Thanks for doing this test because the low velocity impact is far more representative of field conditions at longer ranges.
Man thank you so much for your thoughtful reply. I couldn't agree more. My experience with Barnes bullets on deer and wild hogs has been hit or miss as well. The people at Barnes are very kind, the data they provide for reloaders is valuable, and Barnes bullets at extra high velocities in larger calibers are performers. However, when that velocity drops their performance becomes difficult to rely upon. If I were to choose a bullet for a "hunt of a lifetime" I would not choose Barnes. I think there's a fair amount of brand loyalty when it comes to Barnes bullets and that drives their popularity. With technology advancing as it does in copper bullets I'm shocked Barnes hasn't created a "fragmenting" nose bullet to add to their line.
I would not shoot these bullets farther than 366 meters.
If you look at their ballistics chart it says 2400fps at 400 yards. So for optimal performance you shouldn’t shoot this bullet farther than that.
"For no reason the bullet veers off?" No, there's a reason.... I mean, I don't why...
I do. His stability is crap in the air and completely too low in gel. Needs a faster twist for that bullet. He's on the edge of what you'd expect to tumble once it hits the gel with the low velocity shot. 1.5 is absolute bare minimum with copper bullets and 2.0 is ideal. There is no doubt that with that low of SG the bullet has yaw, and the BC is greatly lowered.
Right, "Seemingly no reason." In other words there's no obstruction to cause it to veer off. And I've dealt with it often in these Barnes bullets as well as the Hammer bullets on occasion.
@@joshuahunt1210 Another load I'd like to try on both elk within a 100 yrds and deer within 200 yrds, is 190 grain flat nose HAWK bullet in my 30-30, as well as my 308. I just think that would be a hammer.
A 400-450 lb cow elk out to 100 yrds would work well with that load, I think.
Your bullets veer to the right when petals are lost the balance of the bullet is affected. Then most rifles are sold with s right hand twist. Lose bullet balance and spin it to the right and suprise the bullets head to the right. Just common sense.
100% makes sense! Thanks for watching.