Is Grand Seiko Still a Better Choice Than Rolex?
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
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"..it was quickly becoming the Alpha Romeo of watch industry, except it actually worked.."
*pure gold*
Practically zero imperfections even under such intense macro shots after shots is astounding workmanship on that GS
I have a snowflake. Can confirm the flawless comment.
The only grand Seiko I have is ugly but there's no defects 😂
Here's that ftw.
@@LaurentiusTriarius cute
Same with the Rolex.
@@kbb_bbk ya rollie looks equally flawless.
I was wearing my Explorer 1 while watching this video and then felt compelled to go downstairs and make sure my Skyflake was safe.
I have recently bought my first “luxury watch” and it was a Grand Seiko. Omiwatari. Did plenty of research and GS’s dial, spring drive and history is just 👌🏻💯
I feel sorry for you because stepping up will be very expensive, lol.
Actually, I am envious because I was so close until this series of storm cost a bundle of housework.
Enjoy:)
The Omiwatari is an excellent choice! I may follow in your footsteps.
What models and how much did you pay for them? Looking at an Omega or a Grand Seiko at this moment.
Rolex designers are also influenced by the view from their window. Its of the marketing department.
Hahahahaha. Brilliant
The marketing department parking lot.🤣
Ohhhhh snap
It's easy to do something new and catchy then to be consistent my friend. Just look like at 1908.
LMAO. GS is consistent at innovating. Rolex is mostly copy pasting, change colour, next.
They are lucky there are a lot of people with no personality. There it comes the 20 fold production numbers
Just picked up my first GS the Cherry Blossom, having owned a Rolex , will not be going back, the level of detail and finishing on the dial, markers and hands are so highly polished they look like jewels in the afternoon sun, just amazing attention to detail and that dial is to die for going from looking white to silver to pink . just sick of all the Rolex BS and AD's as well !!! Well Done GS keep EM coming
GS is so much more than a Rolex.
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I own Rolex, Omega, and other swiss brands, as well as the GS Spring Drive SGBA469 (2021 Indigo Blue Dial USA Exclusive) and the GS surpasses all of my other watches in every way.
How so?
@@jonathana2079 I agree with him.
Put them next to eachother and you see how much better a GS is finished
Lol the bracelet is better? Stop lying
@@Doggo-frencton yeah you buy watch because of bracelet lol stop.
Sorry, but I also agree, dials are lovely power reserve meh! Bracelets awful, yes you do need the whole package. Plus the Grand Seiko is now Rolex money and more
As a Milgauss owner, my next watch will 100% be a GS spring drive, probably a snowflake but there’s been so much coming out that’s also blue and beautiful, we’ll see
Can't justify a Seiko when they have cheapo mass produced products that are nearly indistinguishable from their top line. Fuck 'em.
I want the SLGH005 White Birch HI Beat but man those bracelets and clasps they need to fix those
As a Snowflake owner my one and only Rolex will a 100 % be a Milgauss. If I ever get one now that it has been discontinued.
@@Doggo-frencton The bracelets and clasps are perfect if you don't need adjustment. I bought a Snowflake as soon as I tried it on because it fit perfectly.
I have a Snowflake. It's absolutely amazing and worth every penny.
I'm going to give my 2 cents here. I don't think Grand Seiko is chasing after Rolex any more. I think that part of their overall plan has been, gone, and succeeded - they've shown people that a Seiko can be luxurious, and compete in the same price bracket as The Crown (at retail, at least). Now they're aiming higher.
The improvements in technology, design, fit and finishing, together with the increased costs, suggest they're aiming for the next bracket of luxury - the JLC/Breguet bracket of £10-25k. After that, GS will have Vacheron/Audemars/Lange/Patek in their sights (probably in about 10 years) until, ultimately, the Micro Artists studio end up turning out extremely small batches of extremely high-end, handmade luxury watches to compete against Journe or Gronefeld.
Don't forget, Seiko's ultimate aim was always to beat the Swiss by being the best. For GS, it's a long game. Personally, it's one I think they're winning.
Very interesting. Great comment 💯
Seiko already has their Credor line to compete with the Vacheron/Audemars/Lange/Patek market. That line is also much more exclusive in that you can only get them in Japan.
@@c2pascual which is sort of my point. I believe Grand Seiko is going to move into that bracket and be seen as the Japanese Patek. Credor is the creation of the Micro Artists studio, and i believe that what we see from them now is only the start. Credor (Micro Artists) will eventually push on to be Seiko's answer to Journe - incredibly rare, incredibly refined, incredibly expensive and incredibly desirable collector's pieces. More so than they are now.
Yip, they will now turn up the horology gauge and start on the top tier compilations. The constant force tourbillon Kodo must have sent shivers through the trinity
Well said!
That second hand is just amazing, it's like it moves without any resistance, and the dial is stunning.
Watching this footage makes it seem like each second is five seconds long.
As a Rolex owner whose last 2 watches have been Grand Seiko, I'd say they absolutely have still got it and they are pulling away. My Snowflake is amazing but my White Birch takes things up to a level that I think is only matched by ALS and Patek. Wearing a GS is like wearing fine clothes - it's difficult to go back to the ordinary afterwards....
Oh man. I am on the waitlist for a DJ, and the GS has caught my attention. I feel like I am gravitating more and more to GS.
I've been more of a fan of Grand Seiko than Rolex for a while now. I just feel like Grand Seiko puts more care and pride into their watches than Rolex, and their history shows it. When I'm finally able to buy my first expensive watch, it will be a Grand Seiko.
Bit their thickness..
Yup same, finally got the chance to buy my first expensive watch last year, went with the Grand Seiko White Birch Spring Drive.
@@TCTriangle Hell yeah
@@crimsontheta2647 the SLGH013 has the new 80 hour Hi-Beat 36000 automatic movement and it’s around 11mm with 100 meters water resistance.
But I’ll give you the opportunity to harp about the clasp and bracelet 😂
@@MegaFclef Yeah I get that their high-end line ups (high beat and spring drive altogether) with the new movement it is thinner. But the ordinary models are just too thick... Don't get me wrong I own a sbga375 for its amazing movement and finishing. Just that over 12mm thickness is too much.
I'll never buy another Rolex. Their watches aren't made by artisans, but they charge like they are handmade watches. It's complete bollocks.
It's a scam but so are diamonds and pretending that you get your money back on a grand seiko.
Loved the Alfa Romeo comment 😊.
For me grand Seiko is still a great choice but they are walking dangerously towards a price territory where the relevance of quality and finishing starts to fade against brand recognition and status.and that is a dangerous game for them as i don't think they are there yet. If we go to the street and we ask people for 5 luxury watch brands, i would be surprised if Grand Seiko shows up in the list... at all...
Grand Seiko would do well by staying in the price bracket they are and not push much higher, so i can still get one! 😅😅
Good comment but I disagree. They have been there for a while, and when I mean there, their craftmanship is (has been) well above the one of Rolex. The only difference is that folks weren't aware of GS because of 1. Rolex/Luxury Swiss brands marketing machine 2. Swiss watch snobs discounted the brand because it was owned by Seiko (mass producer watchmaker). Mass opinion based on marketing does not equate to quality. At least in my opinion. Great video! Fresh to see a watch You Tube channel being objective about Rolex.
@@KD-713 First of all, thanks for your polite answer. Nice to find people that can disagree so nicely. 🙂 Secondly, i agree with you. I really like Grand Seiko. I admire the brand since I read their history and their part on the accuracy contests.
My comment come of course from my personal opinion and i could be wrong (i am wrong more than anyone I know) but i have the feeling that of the people that buy Rolex. A big percentage does it for investment and another big percent does it to "show off", just for reputation. And only a small percentage buys them because they genuinely like the watches.
The first two groups will not look at Grand Seiko. If GS prices keep creeping up they will price out the enthusiast that like the brand and the watches. I am just saying that they could land in a position where the people like me who like the brand cannot afford them, and the people who can afford them don't look at them because they don't have enough "oomph", reducing their market to a small group of people who can afford them and know enough to value them.
I hope what I'm saying makes sense.
@@jonathanblanco3100 The attraction to Rolex for conspicuous consumption is legitimate - they are known the world over for being expensive watches. Most of the people who aren't into watches, know of Rolex. They have become popular with people who's income and asset levels are not high wealth... in fact, the entire industry is marketing en masse to the aspirational people... those who want to belong to the world of luxury. If it becomes too mainstream, or available it loses that. This is why top brands like Rolex, Patek, AP, Vacheron, Hermes, LV, they do not just make their products available in huge quantities to every person who show up with the cash. This is all marketing... veblen goods, do some research on it. Rolex clients are not supposed to be Toyota Corolla owners who work retail and live at home with their parents, it's supposed to be high income people who own several watches from the brand, who live an upscale and expensive lifestyle. Someone with a $20,000 watch SHOULD be owning at $200,000 car and living in a $2 million dollar house. Just my observations.
I both agree and disagree, Jonathan. You’re right that regular Joes couldn’t name Grand Seiko - they’re more of an enthusiasts brand. However, as a GS owner, the value proposition is truly there at current prices. The finishing makes Tudor and Omega look like pre school level work.
As a recent GS owner I am glad my watch is not one of the crowd. I personally did not buy it for brand recognition or investment but rather the incredible Spring Drive technology and the perfect and meticulous finish. At my workplace (a sea of Rolex, Heuer, Omega, Cartier, Hermes owners, etc.) no one wears a GS and I am perfectly fine with that. I am content in knowing this US$8000+ watch was careful assembled from start to finish by one person in the GS studio in Japan will provide me with many years of reliable accurate daily service. I am certainly not a brand snob. I would buy a Sinn, Longines, or Heuer watch in a heartbeat if a suitable model appealed to me.
I was for a long time a Rolex fanboy. I’ll admit it, then I started to look into Grand Seiko. Honestly there’s isn’t a comparison. Rolex will do what they’ve always done, make the same products over and over. Grand Seiko creates something new, that’s gorgeous and you can see the detail put into it. Anymore, you see Rolexs everywhere and people have to because it says Rolex. But, when you see a GS in the wild you know its unique and the person wearing it isn’t going to be just a Rolex bro.
where in the world do you live where u run into these "rolex bros"?
i'm poor so im genuinely curious. maybe u have fine dinners with co workers or something lol .
@@Megatraum504 Seattle area
@@KevinBowers_Pnw_ducrider i just dont go places where people wear Rollies lol
I want a Rolex but I don’t want to get mugged on the street. People don’t care about grand Seiko’s imo so i will probably get that
As new proud owner of an SBGB003 Spring Drive chrono, it's everything I expected and more. Just staring at the smooth sweep of the chrono seconds hand is almost a pastime. No other movement comes close. Let everyone else want a Rolex.
I never got the hype with GS I’m not a huge Rolex fan , contemplated a Breitling or Tudor , until I went to a GS boutique and fell in love with them the dials are amazing
My dad is a high-ranking salary man on his 50s. As expected, he's spent most of his years working up the corporate ladar to enable a comfortable lifestyle for the family. It was after lockdown that he decided to splurge a little bit on watches as he felt like he wasn't getting any younger to enjoy his passion. Through the years of owning a tag, brietling, and an omega, he got a Grand Seiko GMT Mt Iwate. It was his most expensive watch, and we aren't well off enough for him to splurge on a rolex he liked. But it was that grand seiko that got me interested in watches. The sheer detail and polishing of the zaratsu technique is truly breathtaking. It is actually mind blowijg to know that people and not aliens were able to do this. And from then on, I swore that I had to be successful enough to afford myself one too.
I have a Grand Seiko SBGA415 and the dial is a masterful work of art, and the spring drive movement is an electromechanical piece of genius!
The spring for me.
I own a Grand Seiko SBGE285 "Mistflake" and wear it every day. Not only is it a beautiful watch to look at, it appeals to my engineer brain being a perfect marriage of mechanical and quartz technology. Finally that seconds hand movement is sublime.
"Better" is too subjective a term. But IMHO a true fan of horology should have a GS in their collection for the innovation of Spring Drive alone, with sublime craftsmanship being the cherry on top.
i have an sbgc249, it loses less than 2 seconds a month. i wear it at least 5 days a week and still cannot help looking at it all the time. it is insured (a lot cheaper and easier than other watch brands), and if people ask what it is, i can say it is a seiko and people soon lose interest in it. perfect.
my SBGP017 hasn't lost/gained a seconds in the past year 😳
@@angMohit wow, that is seriously good. Really nice watch as well
The new old adages, you wears Rolex to impress others, and you wear a GS to impress yourself.
Enjoy:)
Wear a Rolex you can't stop looking around, wear a GS you can't stop looking at it.
@@ncode03 I can’t help looking at both, though, wondering how can Rolex charge what they do?
The smoothness of the sweep on that second hand is insane.
Unless you're a celebrity I doubt if anyone can go into a AD and buy a Rolex ( in the UK ) and who wants to go onto a 3yr. waiting list, so if I had the money a GS every time
i just bought my slga009 and i cant stop staring at it. the peak of japanese engineering on my wrist, with a dial so beautiful it can only be appreciated in person, im simply in love.
I made the same choice last year as my first expensive watch! Had to buy a watch stand just for it so I could look at the dial even when it's off my wrist haha.
Totally agree.
Caught myself trying to catch the light play off its dial every time I wandered by a mirror:)
You know…
Best birch SLGA009
Short answer, yes. Long answer, also yes.
The fact alone that a GS can be bought at list price without having to offer the AD sexual gratifications makes it clearly preferrable.
Just look at the seconds on GS sweeping smoothly, truely built different.
The macro shots of GS are what sell it. You get closer and closer and there aren’t any flaws, it looks like a rendered image.
As a new watch fancier, also someone who didn't inherit the road to success, for some reason Grand Seiko stories, history, and offering resonate to me more than any prospect granted the privileges to buy Rolex ever could be.
When I wear my Grand Seiko, I feel like I am proudly showing everyone in sight that I am a knowledgeable, and discriminating, watch enthusiast. Of course, nobody notices or cares. When I wear my Rolex Submariner, I feel like people are going to think I am a poser who is just desperately trying to impress people. Of course, nobody seems to notice or care.
I love Grand Seiko. Their watches are so beautiful. The spring drive movement is mesmerizing. Combine that with their textured dials and zaratsu polishing and you have something truly special and unique.
I think the amount of Artisan when it comes to putting together anything that is Grand Seiko is just EXTRAORDINARY. They go the extra mile and it really shows. Their dials, that ULTRA smooth sweep, the Accuracy. Almost everything is towards perfection.
Because there is not much profit margin on Grand Seiko, a grand Seiko that sells for 8000 USD costs 5000 USD to make, a Rolex that sells for 8000 USD costs 800 dollar max to make
@@Aztec1050 I didn't know that. Cheers!
Rolex fatigue vs Grand Seiko energy.
Owning 8 GS and 2 Rolexes, I can say GS is definitely my favorite choice to wear everyday. It is sooooo gooood and beautifullll
I think its the other way around. Is Rolex worth purchasing when you have Grand Seiko for almost half the price with better quality and awesome dials?
I have a date just and snowflake. I regret buying the Rolex everyday and amazed by how beautiful the snowflake is. GS by a mile!
GS is The god tier!🤙🏻
Selling my datejust 2 as I never wear it. Purchased a skyflake a couple of weeks back ... I've now two Grand Seikos in my collection... Think I'm a GS fanboy 😊
Rolex is the watch loved by everyone who knows nothing about watches. Grand Seiko is the watch loved by everyone who knows everything about watches.
Very true. Rolex is just that valuable and tough to get because they have a great Marketing department. So there is a huge desire by people knowing nothing about watches thinking Rolex is the best you can get. Yes Rolex is good but by far not the best you can get for your money.
I looked at a Grand Seiko Nightbirch high beat yesterday. In my objective opinion it's understated elegance and austerity is superior to Rolex. It is difficult to put into words the level of refinement it offers. One must see it in person. I'm sorry Rolex but you have been surpassed.
My kids bought me the 1967 Lion Medallion Grand Seiko automatic in mint condition for my 60th birthday as I`ve always said that Grand Seiko I would have anytime over a Rolex, one day I hope to have a spring drive🤞
I'm visiting Japan later this year. The Grand Seiko Boutique in Ginza is on my itinerary.
The great Swiss brands will always be desirable. But while European watch companies try tourbillions, double escapements, silicone hair springs and the like it feels like they are trying to improve the long bow while Seiko is building sub machine guns.
The Grand Seiko spring drive is a marvel to me.
The Grand Seiko is an excellent watch. The Rolex is a status symbol you can flash at people that don't give a toss about watches. That's why Rolex is in demand.
I had one and to me it was a boring status symbol hence sold after a short space of time.
I think Grand Seiko is better quality than Rolex. I always compare my 6 digits submariner with the vintage skx033. And i got the same or more enjoyment with the skx. The Grand Seiko on the other hand, i think is aiming much higher with JLC and PP
The absolutely mesmerizing sweep of a Spring Drive , paired with one of their showcase dials….. to me it’s just irresistible.
Simply doesn’t come through fully in photos and video .
I do have a different take to your “Alfa Romeo” analogy though. I liken GS more to when Honda release the NSX in 1990. It shifted the paradigm of what one would expect from a high-end sports car. Guess what , it actually had to be a , not just pretty to look at and talked-about. And eventually , even those who wouldn’t buy one, but would buy one of the legacy exotic brands after the NSX appeared , unquestionably benefited from having those manufacturers be compelled to get out of the Stone Age.
I have owned a snowflake for a little more than a year now. It is just good in every possible way. I cannot find any watch that can replace it - even watches that costs 2-3 times more expensive.
I’ve never seen hands speak with such remarkable clarity. They’re like the Grand Seiko of the appendage world!
Grand Seiko is in their own universe…. Grand Seiko is the Emperor
Sad my $4300 GS is more refined than my $10,500 date just.
“More refined” but worth far less. There’s a difference and you yourself stated
@@Doggo-frencton if I had to sell one it would be the datejust so I guess the GS is priceless 🤷🏽
I own 2 Rolex that I don’t wear, for various reasons. I own a Prospex LX Spring Drive and a GS Snowflake. I wear the Snowflake a lot. Between Rolex and GS, my next watch will be a GS. A quartz GS. High accuracy quartz for day to day. Rolex just can’t come close to GS. They try to do dials but they’re too clinical, whereas GS feels more organic. Plus the problem with Rolex, you can’t buy one even if you have the money. Crazy.
yet they are the largest manufacturer of watches in the world, and you CANT FIND THEM
go figure lol
It work's for me as i like you have just aquired a Grand Seiko SBGY007 Omiwatari & the choice between it & Rolex never even occured to me..
The finish on that dial perfection!
was wondering where the monthly watchfinder 'Is Grand Seiko better than Rolex' video was.
I have an SBGH271G Hi-Beat and an SBGA211G SpringDrive. Otherwise known as a Rika and a Snowflake...I LOVE my watches. While I will one day want to add a Rolex to my wrist, there are simply too many awesome watches from GS that deserve my money first. I simply love the simplicity, size, elegance, elegance of my GS watches. I will like grab an SBGH273G next as the 271 is simply perfect, and I want another color iteration of it for my wrist.
SBGH271G 非常完美!
Long time Rolex fan - I’ve got a Submariner and Explorer and I now wear my Grand Seiko SBGN027 far more than the Rolexes. The quality and finishing of my $3300 GS blows the finishing on my Rolexes out of the water. Not to mention that GS customer service is phenomenal, and they don’t treat you like they’re doing you a favor by allocating a watch to you. Instead, they invite you to a fancy free party. GS will eclipse Rolex one day. Kind of the way the Japanese auto companies did to GM and Ford.
Fully agree! Rolex AD's as agents for Rolex forgot what real customer service is all about. Once I was able to prove that the AD's have been selling direct to the grey market instead of walk in customers, I lost all respect for them. I don't even try to build a relationship since I know they are lieing to my face.
@@dannysimenauer5745 Great points Danny. It’s pointless to even walk into a Rolex AD now.
Rolex was my first luxury watch. As a “Rolex fan boy “ I can honestly say Gran Seiko is just so much better than Rolex on every single way.
I have a friend who bought an SBGH001 back in 2013. I always wanted a Spring Drive GMT but it took me until 2021 to finally get one!
In the charming town of Watchville, where time seemed to move at its own pace, a group of watch enthusiasts gathered at the local cafe, sipping on espressos and discussing their beloved timepieces. Among them was Ethan, a jovial watch collector with a penchant for playful banter.
As the conversation veered towards Seiko's move to create a luxury range called "Grand Seiko," Ethan couldn't help but wear a mischievous grin. "Grand Seiko, huh? Is it just me, or does it sound like they're trying a bit too hard?" he chuckled.
His fellow enthusiasts raised their eyebrows, intrigued by Ethan's misgivings. "Come on now, Ethan. Grand Seiko watches are known for their craftsmanship and precision," said Tom, a devoted Grand Seiko fan.
"Oh, I don't doubt their quality," Ethan replied, "but let's be honest here. Slapping 'Grand' in front of 'Seiko' isn't exactly the pinnacle of creativity, is it? It's like calling a basic burger joint 'Grand Burger' and expecting it to become a five-star restaurant."
The table erupted in laughter, but Tom wasn't going to let this slide. "Well, it does convey the idea of elevated elegance and luxury," he retorted.
Ethan leaned back, raising an eyebrow. "Elevated, you say? I'd rather put my money into timepieces with names that sound like they belong in a fairy tale! Patek Philippe, Rolex, Audemars Piguet, H. Moser & Cie, A. Lange & Söhne, Vacheron Constantin... now those are names that scream luxury and class!"
The group nodded, acknowledging the allure of the names Ethan mentioned. "Exactly! There's something captivating about those names that evoke dreams of timeless elegance and sophistication," said Grace, a collector of vintage watches.
Ethan continued with a grin, "But 'Grand Seiko'? It's like they ran out of ideas and just went, 'Let's throw in a fancy adjective and call it a day.' I mean, couldn't they have come up with something more enchanting?"
As the discussion playfully unfolded, they all agreed that while Grand Seiko watches were exceptional timepieces, the name left something to be desired in terms of evoking a sense of luxury and allure.
"So, when you see a Patek Philippe or a Vacheron Constantin, it's like stepping into a world of sophistication and heritage," Ethan said. "But 'Grand Seiko'? It's more like a well-dressed cousin who's trying a bit too hard to fit in at the fancy gala."
The conversation continued, filled with light-hearted teasing and shared laughter. In the end, they all cherished their love for watches, recognizing that while the name might raise an eyebrow, what truly mattered was the passion and appreciation they had for the artistry and craftsmanship that adorned their wrists. As they bid farewell to the cafe, their timepieces faithfully ticking, they knew that regardless of the name, the magic of horology would forever enchant their hearts.
Usually when I ask other “watch guys” which they prefer, Rolex or Grand Seiko, the answer is actually predictable. Do they love watches because they’re expensive or elusive, and want to be seen in one? Rolex. Do they love watches because of the engineering behind every element of the watch, and want to see the beauty of hard work? Grand Seiko.
The aesthetic is a major factor of purchase in anything that isn't a tool. GS simply still have too much £150 Seiko about them for me. That will hopefully change over time. Sure the dials are fabulous but that alone isn't enough. Rolex seem to just work along with many other evolved, cultured old money Swiss brands. The icons are the icons for good reason. The designs by and large are masterpieces. I also think they are too boxed in with their collections and lean towards a dressy watch feel. Hopefully that too will change. Maybe they should get an Italian to design the case.😂
Is this the pinnacle of watch design? I can only wonder but right now, I love what Grand Seiko is doing here they always go above and beyond.
Whether it’s GS or Omega or Tudor or GO, it’s all a matter of personal preference. None of these are bad watches. They’re all fantastic watches! Let’s be honest, as watch enthusiasts, I always presume people here are, we would have at least one of each if we had unlimited funds. It’s easy to hate on Rolex but come on, we’d all love a Pepsi in our lives right?
Well said, I think there is probably a watch or 2 from every brand that you'd like to own, it's all subjective, no watch is really better than another as they all tell the time.
I honestly rate GS over rolex. The only thing holding GS back is the size of the sports collection. We need some more variation. 40mm cases with 47mm lug to lug please 🙏
Happened to wear my GS to work today, and the big boss asked about it. He had on a platinum daydate, and I was humbled by his interest in my piece 😀
I think GS is an incredible manufacturer.
I’m genuinely surprised to hear how few watches they make compared to other luxury brands.
But as we know branding is even more important than quality to the mass market of luxury watch buyers.
GS is popular in fora like this because they are populated with enthusiasts.
However I also think that there is a slowly increasing number of luxury watch buyers who are becoming increasingly informed and educated about watches.
And when rolex are so difficult to buy, well it’s a golden opportunity to flaunt your superior wares. And GS have taken that opportunity and then some.
What a condescending statement!
I’m sorry we don’t all share your views, but as “ a real enthusiast “ you must be right!!!! 🙄🙄🙄
@@DavidWilliams-zn2nc blimey. Have a good life
Grand Seiko is beautifully built. It is awesome. Love it ❤
As always, you nailed it! Seiko is absolutely re-writing history and the future… loved the fruit analogy, lol’d at the Alfa one (and I love Alfa’s), and you really nailed it with the bird analogy… well done as always! 🔥🔥👍🏼👍🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Rich people don't buy Rolex because it is a better watch...they buy it for wank value. No wank value in an Alfa either.
I cringed when he said Alfa, then he saved it by saying if they actually worked 😂
Grand Seiko is in a league of its own and unrivaled. It is likely to stay that way. It has taken on stereotypical Japanese planning style; 20 years at a time. With that R&D commitment investment to quality wristwatches, you can see the results. The Spring Drive development to where it is today is a testimony to that! Instead of reacting to what other watch brands are doing then upgrade the existing movements to meet or slightly exceed the competition, GS have proactively set the bar higher in every way leaving the competition to decide what they want to do to rival. There was no necessity to bring out Spring Drive 5-day Evolution 9 series 9RA2 movement as the 3-Day 9R65 movement has already set a standard into the stratosphere that no one else has reached so, why go a bit further? Well GS can and have displayed what is possible. There is a significant price difference between the two as well as the specification that is probably as different as a Corvette C8 with the standard Stingray 1LT and the Z51 package to a 3LT model versions. Where does Rolex come in to play with GS Spring Drive? It does not and nowhere near! I hope GS take it further and produce a Spring Drive Annual and/or Perpetual Calendar version that will set the cat among The Pigeon to blow everyone else away again!
bravo!
"Grand Seiko is in a league of its own and unrivaled" well said!
The Grand Seiko Constant Force Tourbillon is where we are going.
Just a bit (a lot) cheaper please 😂
It’s not much of a “choice”. You still can’t get a Rolex from an AD, my Grand Seiko AD ordered my SBGA429 and I had it without any mark-up in three weeks with no drama or previous purchase history from the AD. The craftsmanship is first class, the timekeeping is astounding (+1 second per two weeks). It’s subtle and it’s not screaming look at me I have a flashy watch, it subtly says I have class, without making some outward statement. For me it’s a match: subtle, excellent at doing it’s job without being too flashy.
Simply say… definitely better choice….Grand Seiko actually sell the watches as we desire
I'm definitely a huge fan of GS. I like them better than Rolex. It's more exclusive cause they make less watches. Their dials are better, more innovative, Human hands actually touch every watch lol. Better movements. I don't own a rolex at the moment because I've boycotted because of their poor AD customer service. I did purchase my wife a rolex that the AD offered me, but I don't care to personally own one. If I did, I would choose milgauss, yachmaster, or rootbeer. The rest don't speak to me. However. Many GS watches jump out to me. I have Snowflake and Peacock. Next one will be the new Lake Suwa
Of course it’s better than Rolex
How many Rolex watches would be bought if they were NOT a good financial investment?
I can't affored either, but if I could it's Grand Seiko all the way for me.
“You buy a Rolex to impress others. I buy a Grand Seiko to impress myself”.
GS’s craftsmanship- it’s dials are excellent but they are backed up with second-to-none in-house movements- spring drive hi-beat and quartz.
They are 5% of Rolex now. Given time that will only go up.
Explorer owner here, definitely getting a GS spring Drive next
Everything is a better choice than rolex
Rolex is a fine watch and a wanted brand among some but I think it is mostly appreciated by nouveau riche with no taste.
I don’t have a Rolex, but i realize that i can afford one, but damn, my next watch is going to be a Grand Seiko, too
@@duffydon1741 Which one and when?
@@duffydon1741 I don't own a Grand Seiko, but I think that there are so many intresting designs and watches to try that cost way less, like Nomos, Hamilton, Longines, and many more, including microbrands.
I think Rolex designs are very boring and monotone, they always spin into the same 2 or 3 watches and what you get for the money is not worth it unless you want to show others that you own a rolex.
And don't get me started on the waiting lists.
Hear hear!
Spring Drive is my favorite type of movement due to the accuracy and the sweep of the second hand. And while I do like a lot of Grand Seiko designs but they are still missing on the fly microadjustment clasps except on their 43mm+ dive watches. The new Tentagraph is a $12,000 watch and it doesn't have tooless micro adjust. There are microbrands like Zelos, and AliExpress brands like San Martin that have this feature on their bracelets for less than $1000. Sometimes less than $300. Even more embarrassing is that the Regular Seiko SNR033 has an on the fly adjustable clasp, a 5R66 Spring Drive movement and is made from titanium all for $4000. If Tudor and Omega can do it, why can't Grand Seiko? Dumb rant over.
I love my GS
Rolex to impress others, GS to impress yourself.
I have a Spring Drive, and love how it works, but also a quartz (9F85) that's thinner, lighter, more affordable, more accurate, and equally gorgeous. It's the latter I intend to collect over time.
That is super good notto
It impresses others just fine 🙂
How I imagine being a GS owner:
Someone asks “What time is it?”
I look down at my GS Spring Drive. The Beautiful cornflower blue seconds hand seamlessly and smoothly graces its way around the dial. The mirror polished hands and indices dance in the light and reflect the seconds hand back into my unworthy eyes. I get lost in the texture of the dial but I’m not scared, I’m thrilled to be a part of this aesthetic merger of technical engineering and unbridled artistic freedom…
The person who asked the time has given up and left minutes ago.
It took a lot of time to find the perfect GS for me. GS watches are beautiful, but they don't have for me the effect that Rolex and Omega watches do. I bought a SBGJ239. I absolutely love it. Everyone should have a GS in their collections for sure. Do I see myself buying another GS? Maybe...another Rolex or Omega? 100% sure.
I have a grand Seiko ,9,f quartz which I'm happy with. My next watched I would like to add is a Rolex oyster and a zenith
@@mitch20003 Both are amazing choices. Years ago I was a big fan of chronographs. I think the Zenith chronomaster is even more beautiful than a Daytona or a Speedmaster. What do you think about rhe GS quartz?
@@hugohernandez3651 I would love to have A zenith chronomaster or a Daytona. Daytona is definitely out of my price range, lol.
Its a beautiful watch. I have the yellow/silver color. I dont believe there is a Difference in quality of polishing between the 2k grand seiko or the 7k one. Have you seen the grand seiko white birch? looks amazing. Probably my favorite one ive seen.
Rolex is having the same issues as the car industry in America. It doesn't matter how amazing their watchs are if their dealers are shitty and prevent anyone from buying them. GS still has the ability to actually sell their watches to people, and in innovating too
People need to get over the "its a seiko" thought. GS is so much more. Seiko has left Rolex behind. GS finish their watches to the same exacting standard all over - even the bits you cant see, same can't be said for Rolex. If GS were from some quaint valley in Switzerland we would all talk about the Holy Quaternity not Trinity.
Once GS develop bracelets that approach the exquisiteness of their movements and dials, Rolex will be only one of the many luxury watch manufacturers that will simply be unable to compete.
My SBGJ249 (Shosho) is so beautiful it's hard to take pictures of it. Everything under the sapphire glass is so nicely finished it just sparkles in the sunlight. Inside the dial has a more silver overall appearance but outside it sparkles from silver to blues depending on the angle. Only had it about a year but so far it's extremely accurate. When I fix the date window I just quickly check against NIST time but watch is never far off.
I own both Rolex and Grand Seiko watches in my collection. Rolex is deservedly the #1 brand in the world. However, the brand's design is very stale. In essence it's core design cues are based on the Submariner case and every year it makes minor tweaks. I suppose when you are always looking down the watch competitor mountain, there is no need to change your design nor market strategy.
Grand Seiko handcrafts watches and it's dials are spectacularly beautiful! If/when GS makes bracelets with micro adjustments then GS will skyrocket in popularity!
Grand Seiko changed my views on quartz watch, as my first GS was a quartz 9F movement.
I love a watch I can put in a drawer take out and don’t have to set.
Same. I'm actually looking for a quartz GS to add to the collection when the time is right.
When I found out Grand Seiko also has quartz watches, i realized quartz movements are also found in many luxury watches. Although I've had G- shock digital quartz, I want to see how a quartz luxury watch compares to mechanical luxury watch.
@@c2pascual It will keep slightly better time as the quartz is higher quality and temperature regulated. But, a gshock that syncs to atomic clock will be more accurate than any of those, minus the much nicer finish. :)
I prefer smaller sports watches. Patiently waiting on GS making a smaller titanium watch in their evolution 9 collection. Improving their bracelets would also be great.
Agree - they need to keep their dive watches and GMT under 42mm.
I just went to a Rolex event and came home with a Grand Seiko SBGA493 Katana (red). Only liked it better than every Rolex in the shop. 😅 Stunning design and craftsmanship.
Yeah... they didn't release this watch in Europe... WHY? 😢
It's GS all day for me. The soko frost model is my favorite of all time. Its beauty surprises me every time I put it on.
My SBGE205 GMT Spring Drive was my grail, and is my grail.
I started collecting with a rule in mind - no Swiss. I’ve saved so much money, and I’m not feeling like I’m missing anything!
I have 2 grand seiko watches, the white Birch spring drive (SLGA009) and the “frosty” SLGH013 with a hi-beat movement. Both look great. Both at the high end of the range.
Highly recommend the spring drive, 5 day power reserve and I can wear it for 2 weeks without it gaining a second. I prefer the power indicator on the back.
The hi-beat was gaining 11s a day when I purchased it. Sent it back to be recalibrated under warranty. After waiting 2.5 months, told it will take another 2 months for it to be returned. Not ideal. Hopefully it will come back only gaining a few seconds a day. I will be happy if they can achieve that.
How did you get on with your highbeat inaccuracy? ... did they fix it
@@JustMeTalking yes. Gains 4s a day now on average over 10 days.
@alang5293 OK thanks for replying. My highbeat gains up to 15 seconds per day. But, I'm going to leave it as it is for a few months, see if it settles down. As it's not my daily use wear, I can live with it (as I typically have to reset the watch anyways after 4 days of not being used).
I discovered GS through your videos and managed to get a SBGC249 a while back. I absolutely love it. Thank you for your videos!
As a tudor black bay 58 and rolex oyster perpetual datejust owner, I can say that switching to GS is the best decision i ever made.
I dislike the rise in cost of most luxury watches, and Grand Seiko is definitely one of them. However that does not keep me from wanting to purchase a GS and a JLC… Although my most recent purchase was a Christopher Ward!
Now we are talking!! CW, exceptional quality at a price open to everyone 👍
The Swiss wake up in the morning and say "let's go and knock a few good watches up and then we can relax"
The Japanese wake up in the morning and say "I'm going to make the very best watch humanly possible and then I'm going to surpass that goal"
Thats the difference.
My brand new grand saco heritage edition with the blue frost dial will be here Monday. I chose to buy that $6900 supposed to a Rolex. I've owned Rolex's my whole life. And the dials and the finishing on the grand saco high beat 36000 blew me away. I was about to buy the Tiffany blue Rolex and changery much for your channel. I love watching your videos the best the most informed.