Love the video, JT. It's cool to see how all your choices and modifications have made something that is truly useful for you and your lifestyle. Keep the content coming!
I've got my 13 hp long tail on a 14' semi V. Runs a little smoother on lakes with a bit of chop. Super economical to run on an all day fishing trip...less than a gallon of gas.
This is hilarious I'm JT also and love gator hunting and being from gainesville gator football so when looking up mud motors I had to check out your channel and It was all I needed to make my mind up. Thank you hitting subscribe now!
Maintenance? For the boat I don't have any maintenance for that. For the engine, I change the oil every 20 hours. For the mud motor part of it, I grease it yearly with a grease gun. Thats about it for maintenance. The rig does fine in open water here in Florida. I don't take it on windy days
Thank you! I really appreciate you taking the time to let me know! Ever since I got one of these mud motors, I've really enjoyed it. It's a good cheap motor that can get people out on the water with little money.
Did you have to re enforce your transom for the 13 ho I’m trying to decide between the 13hp or 6.5hp harbor freight for mud motor. But can decide if weight would be an issue for the 13hp?
The transom on this Alumacraft is not that strong. If I were to get a boat again, I would go with a tracker. I think it would be fine on the tracker, but the Alumacraft doesn't have much support on it, so it starting failing, and I had to brace it. The 6.5hp was fine on it, but the 13hp was too much even though the boat is rated for a 15hp
@@austinheil8383 I like the 13hp. The 6.5 is great for general use, but if you plan on going through thick mud and grass, you need the extra torque of the 13hp. The Bayou bushing sounds pretty awesome from what I'm told. If you have the money for it, it sounds like you will never have to replace them or worry about them failing. If I were to get another kit, I would go with the extreme duty, 100" shaft
Tips for more speed? Was running a 16 hp mudskipper on the 100” shaft with a 8” prop getting 19-20 MPH by myself, same setup except with a 13HP predator now getting about 13MPH. Should I go with a bigger prop you think?
To know if you are running the correct prop or I should say maximizing the horsepower and RPM range, you need a tachometer to tell your revolutions per minute that your engine is spinning and is also directly correlated to how fast your prop is spinning. Get a tachometer like this amzn.to/2UMXv6W and see where you're rpms are at. You should be at 3400 to 3800. If you're over that, you can do a bigger prop, if you're below it, you have too big of a prop on and need a smaller prop.
It depends on which engine you look at. Last time I looked, the Duromax had a higher "rated" horsepower but still had the same CC's that the predator engine had so I think it was a marketing thing. You can just look up the measurements of the cylinder size and length of the pushrod and all that to see if it differs to give them more horsepower with the same amount of displacement and I know for a fact that the predator engines have more people purchasing them so you have a large customer base to ask questions to when you have an issue. Also there will be more accessories and parts that will fit a predator rather than a duromax unless its interchangeable. If its interchangeable then its still the same engine no matter what company labels/rates their engine
I would think so. The longtail is good because you can also use it as a rudder to steer. So if you are doing down stream, having the longtail behind you can really help with the position of the boat. You just need to be confident with it and know how to handle your boat with the tail. Practice in calmer water and then once you feel good with it, then start stepping it up. Another good thing about a longtail is that if you have climb at all, the longtail allows you to reach so the engine wouldn't bottom out like an outboard would if you were climbing up a dam or getting high centered on a long. This is a cool video if you have a facebook and you're thinking about rapids - facebook.com/mix.matt1/videos/3839826579368314/
Thanks for all the help bro just feel like a mud motor whether surface drive or longtail would be better for me here in the delta. Hope to see more videos buddy.
@@nickbeard2821 Yeah, everyone has their own special case. The good thing about a longtail is that it is less expensive so if you don't like it, you can at least recoup some money from reselling it and not lose as much as you would from buying and selling a surface drive. Best of luck to you and thank you for the support 😁
@@nickbeard2821 I fished a fast flowing river yesterday with my 13ft jon boat with my twister xl and 13 hp engine. Idled up river against current. It was great
Theres been talk of it before. Most just end up getting a flat back canoe or small jon boat. This issue is mounting it and then the weight. SPS offers a really light "Mini" kit for the 3hp engine which would be the lightest you could get
@@mr.goodbass9445 SPS is the manufacturer. The only place to get an SPS kit in North America is through Swamp Runner Mud Motors. The kit is a Mini Swamp Runner Mud Motor kit
@@ethantauscher2888 I do not know. You wouldn't really gain or lose speed. Your shaft length doesn't determine that. If anything I would think it would decrease speed due to the increased friction of having more surface area contacting bushing in the shaft. Speed is the job of the prop. The length of the tail determines the tail weight which directly affects the way it handles when it comes to how heavy or light it feels on the tiller handle. It does affect the prop position, and may allow me to reach a higher speed that is easier to handle due to placing it at or near the wake, but I wouldn't think it would increase my speed. It would just make it easier to control at the tiller handle. I would like to test it and see, but I do not have the capital to invest in another shaft at this point in time.
I was actually going for them that day and didn't see any back there 😡😒 I didn't see them in my usual spots either so I think it was just a bad day for them.
Yes. In this footage, the new 3D printed spacer that goes in between the prop and the end shaft bushing with the zip tie, is on there. It worked great. The zip tie never broke, and the weeds never got stuck on the shaft. So far, I would say it is truly weedless. I idled through that thick grass and it never stuck. If I did that without the zip tie spacer, it would have wrapped, caught, and I would have been plucking grass from in between the end bushing on the shaft and the prop.
23 mph. A single person, stock 13hp motor with an SPS swamp runner medium kit on a 1436 jon boat with a front deck, a floor, trolling motor & battery, and fishing equipment.
I'm sure it does cut some of the grass. Most of the grass that I ran through is a weed the floats on top of the water and they spray a few times a month to keep it down
You should’ve got yourself a predator 670 I could’ve got through that stuff much easier with my long tail motor I have to make a video like This on my channel looks like it would be cool for people to see also by the way it’s still awesome video you make all the time like your channel
Thank you! The only issue I have is that my transom started failing with this 13hp engine. I do not think this Alumacraft boat could handle any more on its transom. If I had a tracker, they seem like they have a beefier transom but for this boat, I think it would handle the 670
I have parts to replace if needed. Extra props, bolts and nuts, key, coupler shaft. The main thing I can't fix is the catastrophic failure of the engine. If the longtail goes down, the trolling motor will work. If the trolling motor stops, the paddle will work. Then there's always a couple of longtail buddies that could be called up 📞
Nice twerk music in the background I'd much weather hear the engine I came to view and water splashing and ignorant rambling than that music play for a second longer I can't even finish the video
well he is trying and giving out useful information, i appreciate what he puts out and it is helpful. if you cant put the music "in the background" then why waste your time to comment
All I can say is, the weather must be nice down there. We all bundled up up here being in the 30's
That it is. Today was a high of 76 with a low of 66. Very nice weather right now, just windy.
Love the video, JT. It's cool to see how all your choices and modifications have made something that is truly useful for you and your lifestyle. Keep the content coming!
Thank you SluSharkND! The mud motor and jon boat are coming along and really starting to perform great together
I AGREE!!
I've got my 13 hp long tail on a 14' semi V. Runs a little smoother on lakes with a bit of chop. Super economical to run on an all day fishing trip...less than a gallon of gas.
Yeah, I love that aspect of these jon boats with longtails. A gallon of gas will get you through the whole day.
How fast do you go I’m thinking about getting one for mine
@@benkierstein9771 I've gone 23mph. There should be a video on this channel of it
This is hilarious I'm JT also and love gator hunting and being from gainesville gator football so when looking up mud motors I had to check out your channel and It was all I needed to make my mind up. Thank you hitting subscribe now!
Haha love it!
you have officially made a weed whacker
I’m about to get my first mud boat. It’s a similar set up to yours. What kind of regular maintenance do you have to do? How does it do on open water?
Maintenance? For the boat I don't have any maintenance for that. For the engine, I change the oil every 20 hours. For the mud motor part of it, I grease it yearly with a grease gun. Thats about it for maintenance. The rig does fine in open water here in Florida. I don't take it on windy days
JTgatoring thanks bud, this is new territory for me
@@Swanny9308 You're welcome! If anything else pops up let me know
@Dylan Hopkins Yes. The thai longtail was designed and first used in saltwater
this video is cool as hell, i want one of these mud motors!
Thank you! I really appreciate you taking the time to let me know! Ever since I got one of these mud motors, I've really enjoyed it. It's a good cheap motor that can get people out on the water with little money.
Did you have to re enforce your transom for the 13 ho I’m trying to decide between the 13hp or 6.5hp harbor freight for mud motor. But can decide if weight would be an issue for the 13hp?
The transom on this Alumacraft is not that strong. If I were to get a boat again, I would go with a tracker. I think it would be fine on the tracker, but the Alumacraft doesn't have much support on it, so it starting failing, and I had to brace it. The 6.5hp was fine on it, but the 13hp was too much even though the boat is rated for a 15hp
But horsepower wise u would go with 13hp?
And for the shaft think it’s worth the extreme duty or just stick with standard from swamp runner
@@austinheil8383 I like the 13hp. The 6.5 is great for general use, but if you plan on going through thick mud and grass, you need the extra torque of the 13hp. The Bayou bushing sounds pretty awesome from what I'm told. If you have the money for it, it sounds like you will never have to replace them or worry about them failing. If I were to get another kit, I would go with the extreme duty, 100" shaft
JTgatoring oh yeah man I live in Greenville sc we have a river that can get pretty shallow but mainly big water most of the time
Tips for more speed? Was running a 16 hp mudskipper on the 100” shaft with a 8” prop getting 19-20 MPH by myself, same setup except with a 13HP predator now getting about 13MPH. Should I go with a bigger prop you think?
To know if you are running the correct prop or I should say maximizing the horsepower and RPM range, you need a tachometer to tell your revolutions per minute that your engine is spinning and is also directly correlated to how fast your prop is spinning. Get a tachometer like this amzn.to/2UMXv6W and see where you're rpms are at. You should be at 3400 to 3800. If you're over that, you can do a bigger prop, if you're below it, you have too big of a prop on and need a smaller prop.
Just curious what you think about the duromax engine. Seems to have more HP and torque that the predator and cost less $$
It depends on which engine you look at. Last time I looked, the Duromax had a higher "rated" horsepower but still had the same CC's that the predator engine had so I think it was a marketing thing. You can just look up the measurements of the cylinder size and length of the pushrod and all that to see if it differs to give them more horsepower with the same amount of displacement and I know for a fact that the predator engines have more people purchasing them so you have a large customer base to ask questions to when you have an issue. Also there will be more accessories and parts that will fit a predator rather than a duromax unless its interchangeable. If its interchangeable then its still the same engine no matter what company labels/rates their engine
Don't overlook carroll stream engines. Just bought their 13hp with electric start for $376 delivered
I live on a pretty quick flowing river in arkansas. You think a longtail would be okay with the current?
I would think so. The longtail is good because you can also use it as a rudder to steer. So if you are doing down stream, having the longtail behind you can really help with the position of the boat. You just need to be confident with it and know how to handle your boat with the tail. Practice in calmer water and then once you feel good with it, then start stepping it up. Another good thing about a longtail is that if you have climb at all, the longtail allows you to reach so the engine wouldn't bottom out like an outboard would if you were climbing up a dam or getting high centered on a long. This is a cool video if you have a facebook and you're thinking about rapids - facebook.com/mix.matt1/videos/3839826579368314/
Thanks for all the help bro just feel like a mud motor whether surface drive or longtail would be better for me here in the delta. Hope to see more videos buddy.
@@nickbeard2821 Yeah, everyone has their own special case. The good thing about a longtail is that it is less expensive so if you don't like it, you can at least recoup some money from reselling it and not lose as much as you would from buying and selling a surface drive. Best of luck to you and thank you for the support 😁
@@nickbeard2821 I fished a fast flowing river yesterday with my 13ft jon boat with my twister xl and 13 hp engine. Idled up river against current. It was great
How fast will it push the boat at wide open
Max speed so far is 23mph
Where do you buy those motor?
Then engine can be purchased from Harbor Freight in the US, and for the longtail, that can be purchased from Swamp Runner in the US.
Stumbled on this with the idea of putting it on a kayak
Theres been talk of it before. Most just end up getting a flat back canoe or small jon boat. This issue is mounting it and then the weight. SPS offers a really light "Mini" kit for the 3hp engine which would be the lightest you could get
@@JTgatoring thanks dude whats sps?
@@mr.goodbass9445 SPS is the manufacturer. The only place to get an SPS kit in North America is through Swamp Runner Mud Motors. The kit is a Mini Swamp Runner Mud Motor kit
@@JTgatoring thanks dude. A small jon boat and casting deck would be nice.
How long is the shaft?
85 inches
@@JTgatoring how much speed would you gain or loose with a 100in shaft
@@ethantauscher2888 I do not know. You wouldn't really gain or lose speed. Your shaft length doesn't determine that. If anything I would think it would decrease speed due to the increased friction of having more surface area contacting bushing in the shaft. Speed is the job of the prop. The length of the tail determines the tail weight which directly affects the way it handles when it comes to how heavy or light it feels on the tiller handle. It does affect the prop position, and may allow me to reach a higher speed that is easier to handle due to placing it at or near the wake, but I wouldn't think it would increase my speed. It would just make it easier to control at the tiller handle. I would like to test it and see, but I do not have the capital to invest in another shaft at this point in time.
Question. Why do you take the prop out the water and put it back in??
This helps to clear vegetation that may get caught on the prop or shaft. It allows the prop to get to a higher RPM and spin/sling the grass free
JTgatoring okay thanks
A lot of tilapia back there
I was actually going for them that day and didn't see any back there 😡😒 I didn't see them in my usual spots either so I think it was just a bad day for them.
Like to hear the motor no music
Thank you for taking the time to give me feedback. I'll start experimenting with some little, to no music for these type of videos
So did the black rubber bushings help keep it weedless?
Yes. In this footage, the new 3D printed spacer that goes in between the prop and the end shaft bushing with the zip tie, is on there. It worked great. The zip tie never broke, and the weeds never got stuck on the shaft. So far, I would say it is truly weedless. I idled through that thick grass and it never stuck. If I did that without the zip tie spacer, it would have wrapped, caught, and I would have been plucking grass from in between the end bushing on the shaft and the prop.
How does this motor do on rocky rivers?
What kinda top speed do you get?
23 mph. A single person, stock 13hp motor with an SPS swamp runner medium kit on a 1436 jon boat with a front deck, a floor, trolling motor & battery, and fishing equipment.
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I’ve never seen a long one like that
It's definitely a different kind of motor and it works great for me!
Thats what she said LOL
So you cutting the grass?
I'm sure it does cut some of the grass. Most of the grass that I ran through is a weed the floats on top of the water and they spray a few times a month to keep it down
You should’ve got yourself a predator 670 I could’ve got through that stuff much easier with my long tail motor I have to make a video like This on my channel looks like it would be cool for people to see also by the way it’s still awesome video you make all the time like your channel
Thank you! The only issue I have is that my transom started failing with this 13hp engine. I do not think this Alumacraft boat could handle any more on its transom. If I had a tracker, they seem like they have a beefier transom but for this boat, I think it would handle the 670
So what happens when it breaks down or u brake somethin and ur stranded. And u don’t have an extra motor. Who’s comin to get ya🤣
I have parts to replace if needed. Extra props, bolts and nuts, key, coupler shaft. The main thing I can't fix is the catastrophic failure of the engine. If the longtail goes down, the trolling motor will work. If the trolling motor stops, the paddle will work. Then there's always a couple of longtail buddies that could be called up 📞
Nice twerk music in the background I'd much weather hear the engine I came to view and water splashing and ignorant rambling than that music play for a second longer I can't even finish the video
well he is trying and giving out useful information, i appreciate what he puts out and it is helpful. if you cant put the music "in the background" then why waste your time to comment