After listening to Pete champion the early Genesis catolog I brought early stuff (Nursery Cryme) thru when Hackett left (Wind & Wuthering). All I can say is Hackett was under utilized and under appreciated even during this golden age of the band. No wonder the man left!
I dunno. I love Steve Hackett and early Genesis. They're a keyboard-driven band. Hackett is there, but Banks is playing lead for the most part. Hackett's textures are phenomenal, and his occassional solos are amazing. I listen to those classic albums and I don't feel the need for more guitar. Not every rock band needs a guitarist up front, especially when you've got a keyboard and songwriting genius like Tony Banks in there.
"Heaven & Hell" and "Mob Rules" proved that Sabbath didn't need Ozzy to make great records. "Blizzard" and "Diary" proved Ozzy didn't need Sabbath to make great records. BUT it did prove Sabbath needed Ronnie and Ozzy needed Randy.
Ozzys solo shit was just awful... I did like a few songs off the first album...but then diary and that horrible bark at? Dio was so much better as a solo artist....It was bubble gum heavy metal at its finest.. Rather listen to bloodrocks first then any solo ozzy shit
Steve Hackett is a class act, glad to hear him being appreciated as well. It is great to see the guy still touring and playing some of those old Genesis classics and not just the big hits. You get the sense Hackett is proud of the music he had a part in creating.
Popoff and Pardo are at it again with a fascinating topic. Thanks to i.hangus for recommending this topic and also to Martin and Pete for picking it up and sharing it with us. Good choices all around here - some expected, some unfamiliar to me - but always interesting to listen to Pete and Martin. Looking forward to Part 2. Thanks, gents.
Kill 'Em All Metallica Dave Mustaine lead guitar, backing vocals (1982-1983) and co-write four song on Kill 'Em All and was fired and went on to formed the band Megadeth.
I have seen Steve Hackett at least a dozen times and this years in October doing Seconds Out was stunning the shows are superb. The best sound I have ever heard.
Really happy to see that Pete picked my topic suggestion. This is the second one, the first one was a suggestion for the HVS: "songs we like by bands we hate"(which was kind of a hit). My picks for today: Faces' A Nod Is As Good... over Humble Pie's Rock on (1971); Blizzard of Ozz over Heaven and Hell (1980); Big Audio Dynamite's This is B.A.D over Clash's Cut the Crap (1985); Breeders' Last Splash over Frank Black (debut) (1993); Sepultura's Against over Soulfly (debut) (1998)
"Cut the Crap" is laughable and sad (in a bad way) at the same time. Soulfly is worse than Sepultura, agree! "Last Splash" is better than Frank's debut. But Frank Black's career is better and fruitful than The Breeders'.
Schenker didn’t “eventually” get a lead singer in Gary Barden.. Gary was the singer on the first album.. you should know that. Simon Phillips and Mo Foster pad out the rhythm section fresh from Jeff Beck and Don Airy tags along all as session players.. but Gary was in from the start
Great show, as always. It's not The Johansson brothers on Yngwies first album, only Jens. Barrimore Barlow from Jethro Tull plays the drums on that one.
Ozzy Osbourne became a household name. He became popular outside the Metal community. As big as Heaven and Hell was , it's limited to Hard Rock, Metal fans, Ozzy Osbourne was a lot more popular to people outside the Metal community, not to mention He became a Reality Television star
@@gregwatson3300 I thought so. I saw S B on the " Street Corner Talking" tour, 71. Then a 4 band show \ Foghat (1st tour) Flash , Dr. Hook + Medicine Show , the Kinks , 72. Both shows were great. F H sold millions , S B sold far less but made more interesting music. I M H O .
Think I'll go with Ritchie Blackmore/Deep Purple. Rainbow wins the early battle but Deep Purple with Morse kills any Blackmore's Night releases and some later Rainbow as well. But Rising and Long Live Rock 'n Roll cannot be beat. A tie maybe? Phenomenal show and topic! Pete and Martin, the dynamic duo.
For some reason the two versions of Queensryche popped into my head first. Maybe it'll come up on a future episode. Or Guns N Roses (Axl) and every musician of the last 30 years. Fun video! Thanks, Pete & Martin!
Bob Daisley is the unsung hero of Ozzy's solo career, writing so many of the songs and uncredited for many more. That period in the late 70s early 80s Whitesnake live were a level above, Gillan were great but Moody-Marsden-Paice-Lord-Murray band were top draw
Megadeth does circles around Metallica in my opinion. I do enjoy James Hetfields guitar work and their first 4 and 1/2 albums though. They were fast as hell too! I like Dio best with Rainbow. Then his stuff with Sabbath. Then his solo stuff. In that order for me. Maybe...I do love those first two Dio albums. That's a tough one. Rainbow first though for sure! Favorite stuff from Gaahl is his stuff with Wardruna, after his stuff with Gorgoroth. Then second would his solo stuff for me. Gaahls wyrd is an incredible solo album. Those are a few.... Cheers Pete. Cheers Martin. 🍻
Finding Sea of Tranquility has been a holiday treat. Love you guys. Since you take suggestions... what about: "first listen hated, further listen it's in steady rotation. Ex. Therepy? - Suicide Pact, you first.
1. The Allman Brothers Band- Brothers and Sisters 2. Lynyrd Skynyrd 1991 3. Black Sabbath- Heaven and Hell/Ozzy Osbourne- Blizzard of Ozz 4. Deep Purple Come Taste the Band/ Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow
It always pisses me off at first when a key member of a band that I follow leaves, but then I think "well, where there were one great band, now you have two"; I think, at least in my experience, this has been the case more often. Great conversation as always, thanks! 🍺🤘
Great show again. Thanks guys. The ones that sprang to mind for me were: 1. Van Halen w. Sammy Hagar V DLR solo. Draw. 2. Foreigner V Lou Gramm solo / Shadow King. Lou Gramm. 3. ELO w. Jeff Lynne V Roy Wood & Wizard. Initially Roy Wood, but longer term Jeff Lynne 4. Thin Lizzy V 1st Robbo’s Wild Horses, & 2nd Gary Moore solo. Thin Lizzy beat Wild Horses but draw with Gary Moore. 5. Post Generation X - Billy Idol v Tony James / Sigue Sigue Sputnik. Billy Idol wins
Peter cetera and chicago, its a shame he didnt stick to the almost heavy metal feel of his debut, both of the acts were ordinary soft rock in the late 80s apart from the ocassional hard rocker from chicago like look away
So many great ideas that you guys come up with each week...great videos and thank you so much. As for Plant he seems more restless and willing to explore a wider musical terrain and Page is more Zeppelinesque in his explorations. Maybe the relative commercial failure of Page's 'Outrider' album has undermined his confidence hence hiding behind Coverdale and later on Plant on his later recordings?
I think Walking Into Clarksdale is Jimmy’s best post Zep and of course that was with Robert. I really like WIC and it’s a shame they haven’t recorded a follow-up. Looking forward to the new Plant & Krauss though!
Interesting topic, well done as usual. My contribution to this would be Ace Frehley who, after leaving KISS in 1982, put out his solo band debut "Frehley’s Comet" in 1987, easily leaving KISS and their bloated, over-produced long player "Crazy Nights" behind. Even if the two following albums "Second Sighting" (1988) and "Trouble Walkin'" (1989) couldn't keep up with the debut, one can still state that Ace survived the late 80s era of the Hair Metal implosion much more down-to-earth, more creative and original. With "Revenge" (1992), however, KISS returned with a bang that nobody would have expected from them with this freshness and authenticity. The last big statement from a big band, everything that came after that is not really worth mentioning for me, while Ace later produced two - at least for me - decent solo albums with "Anomaly" (2009) and "Space Invader" (2014).
Could I suggest opening bands who blew the headliner off the stage as a future topic ? In the 70’s I caught Van Halen opening for Sabbath, also Peter Frampton opened for Uriah Heep. Missed Queen open for Mott the Hoople though.
Another group split was,of course,with Guns And Roses as well as Stone Temple Pilots (who I always liked more than Pearl Jam). The two groups made Velvet Revolver,which was pretty good actually. They didn't last long but I think it fits the discussion pretty well.
"MSG" (1981) by Michael Schenker Group is my favorite album of theirs, love Cozy's drumming on most of the albums he played on really and Gary Barden's a great vocalist. In the 80's I preferred Sabbath over the Ozzy Osbourne Band's material and still do. "Heaven & Hell", "Born Again", and "Headless Cross" remain three of my favorite Sabbath records.
Going off the title alone before watching.. the one that immediately springs to mind is division bell era floyd vs Roger waters.. one night in Europe, they actually performed the same material simultaneously at different venues literally within earshot of eachother!
I definitely give Pete credit for getting me to check out the more recent Styx albums. The Mission was really good! I was surprised at how much it sounded like classic Styx, minus the more poppy stuff that i dont like much anyways.
Nice to hear people talking about Gillan. Such an exciting, wild band! Love Mr Universe, Glory Road and Future Shock! I am not too familiar with Whitesnake, but Saints an Sinners is a fun album and had a couple of classic songs as well.
I had tickets for the Ozzy show in Orlando ,FL . It was slated to be a Rock Superbowl with Foreigner, Ozzy, UFO,and Brian Adams..They replaced Ozzy with Pat Travers ,and I opted to see Foreigner and Brian Adams at a closer venue in Fort Myers,FL..
I was surprised that Pink Floyd and Roger Waters wasn't mentioned, maybe next episode. Also Van Halen and David Lee Roth / Sammy Hager. GNR and Slash / Izzy / Duff. Genesis and Phil Collins. Dire Straits and David Knopfler. Joan Jett and Lita Ford
...This is How it's done....Great Topic ....I have a couple extremist like us and we take these topics and run with them as well ...." All The Damn Time ! " ....lol ....Best Channel on the Web .....Cool Cool 😎....thanx Pete 😎 👍
Journey and Steve Perry. They'd sell their mother to get him back. He's released a few albums but they were never as good as his Journey suff. Journey released new albums but they were never as good as those with him. In fact they hire Steve Perry sound alike singers because his voice is so distinctive to the bands success. Now they've just imploded with in fighting and lawyers. Both want to just go and tour together one last time before one of them passes away. The fans would absolutely go nuts.
I have used the 'v's fr convenience, not because they were necessarily adversarial: BCC becomes California Breed vs Joe Bonamassa, Black Crowes split and become two Robinson bros bands, Darkness split and become two bands Stone Gods and Hot Leg, Deep Purple vs Rod Evans & Captain Beyond, Hawkwind vs Lemmy & Motorhead, King Crimson & Foreigner vs Ian McDonald, Man vs Deke Leonard's Iceberg, Montrose vs Sammy Hagar, Mott the Hoople become Mott vs Ian Hunter, Ted Nugent vs Derek St. Holmes & St. Paradise, Supertramp vs Roger Hodgson
Just started watching this after the fact. I'm interested in hearing what these two say about the Genesis and Gabriel split. I was working in music retail back then and everyone was quite surprised that both did well - and that was way before each hit the 'big time'.
Good video as always. What would be really amusing is if the two of you did a video about the great Tom Waits. Not the most well known singer, although I have all his albums,but a true artist that sticks to his guns and has never catered to any trend or particular style.
@@seaoftranquilityprog Interesting. Here I thought you knew everything. Lol. Well maybe you'll get around to it. It has quite a few jazz elements, especially his early stuff.
I think the comparisons between Gillan and Whitesnake just show what a different band Deep Purple mk II were to Mk III & IV I saw both around 1980/81/82 and both were excellent with Gillan touring with 40 odd shows and Whitesnake doing slightly larger venues. Who was best? As good as each other but different.
At the time we had loads of chats about which of Heaven or Hell (we loved the cover) or Blizzard was better. All of it seemed so fresh, even the Sabs, ( it was we were still at school ), and from memory I think we decided the Sabs was better (wrong call probably) - was it the cover that did it ? We could have been that shallow! In retrospect Ozzy was hitting higher peaks.
I remember Live Evil and Speak of the Devil came out on the same day If I remember correctly? My best friend Mike bought Live Evil and I bought Speak of the Devil. We argued which was better. But I think Ozzy out sold Sabbath by quite a bit on those two records. In hindsight although I like Brad Gillis, I dont really care for Speak as much as I did in 1983
I lived in Military Barracks when these two live albums came out - and the metalheads all picked sides. I was in camp Live Evil, but I would have to say 70% of us was camp Speak of the Devil.
With Sabbath and Ozzy I have to go with Sabbath. I love Blizzard, Diary and Tribute but after those albums I basically just like songs from Ozzy instead of entire albums. With Sabbath I love the Dio and Gillan eras and albums and I dig a lot of the albums from the Tony Martin era as well. It's kinda funny cause 20 plus years ago I would've picked Ozzy but over time i like the Jake E Lee and Zakk Wylde albums less than I did back then. I like Perry Mason off Ozzmosis and after that I'm not interested in the rest of the album or the rest of Ozzy's catalogue.
Big question to me has always been whether I would almost prefer the split to continue and give us lots of different output, or whether really the original is better than either. The most obvious being I wasn't 100% onboard when I heard Iron Maiden were reuniting because I liked The Maiden stuff with Blaze a lot more than the Bruce 90s albums - X Factor is a real quality album, honest - and I really liked what Bruce had been doing (all of it since he left, not just AOB/CW - I wanted another Skunkworks album, still do!) - so was quite into the idea of having both of those. That said - and I know not everyone sees it like this - the reunion has eclipsed both for me. And Helloween/ Gamma Ray - yes please, and I don't really are which is better. if I have to decide Helloween have been better overall for me during the period both bands were running in parallel. Thing is though before the split and now with the new album is better than anything either has done, not always by much because there is lots of strong material out there, but Hansen and Weikath are great together, if only they put it into practice more. Another one not mentioned which has given us loads of good music is After Forever/ Epica - Mark Jansen started one band and then left to start another - the original kept going for quite a while. Overall he did better the second time though After Forever had loads of good stuff - and Floor. Quite often splits do give us loads of good material. Another symphonic metal example, but both Tarja and (especially) Anette have put out strong material since leaving Nightwish - neither will challenge NW, however I follow them and there is lots to listen to. Anette really has plenty of very good stuff out there.
Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman and Howe broke off from Yes. I think both bands were great while they co-existed. That being said, I was always partial to the musicianship and writing of the original members of Yes which comprised ABWH.
Ah I see, great vid. I though it was going to be Yes vs Yes feat ..., Wishbone Ash vs Martin Turner's Wishbone Ash, John Lees' Barclay James Harvest vs Barclay James Harvest featuring Les Holroyd, etc, but I suppose they're maybe not that interesting.
Going with: Sabbath Robert Plant Yngwie Hagar Styx Whitesnake (although I'd take Rainbow over them and Gillan). Genesis Ozzy over Jake MSG/UFO and Aerosmith/Joe are draws for me.
One thing Pete failed to mention is Crazy Train is the biggest song out of either catalog. You can’t deny that fact. Bigger than anything Ozzy Sabbath song and so on.
It's not bad by any means, but when you hold it to previous UFO standards... ...and I don't remember hearing anything about UFO at that time where McAuley Schenker was at least a known entity.
@@HuddshouseofRockNMetal No disagreement on comparing it to previous UFO albums/lineups, but I just don't get why Martin and others like Michael Butler (RnR Geek) just dismiss 'Misdemeanor' out of hand. I think if they were given truth serum they would admit there are decent songs on the album even if they don't like the synths.
I think I slightly prefer Ozzy in 1980 and 1981 to Sabbath around that same time, but in time I have learned to appreciate Sabbath stuff with Dio more and more. Sabbath stayed more true to metal while Ozzy was marketed perfectly - and had a catchy or poppy song or two on each album to interest the masses. Both declined musically as the 80s progressed imo, but Dehumanizer is a great, heavy, metal album whereas Ozzy’s 90s solo stuff has southern rock and God knows what diluting the overall quality. But back in 1981 I would have chosen Diary of a Madman as album of the year in a heartbeat. Randy was magical, so who knows what could have been if Mr Rhoads had created new material with Ozzy.
The Beatles are an interesting conundrum. Even when they were a band, each individual member had their own distinctive songs and styles. When they split John, George, and Paul all had success and very good musical output. Then, of course, there is Ringo….🤷😄
Alice Cooper: Welcome to my Nightmare is much better than Battle Axe. - Fight: War of Words & A Small Deadly Space over Judas Priest: Jugulator & Demolition...but, it's very close because I love all 4 of those albums.
After Fish left Marillion they both put out some great albums and some stinkers. Overall I prefer Marillion over Fish. After Neal Morse left Spock's Beard, he went on a tear. His solo stuff and other projects are better than what SB has done. Which brings me to Mike Portnoy. His post DT stuff is much better than the Mangini albums, although their new album is great.
I love solo Ozzy Osbourne,Roger Waters , John Fogerty and Peter Gabriel more than their respective bands became. Weirdly though a couple of my favourite sabbath songs are sung by dio.
Saw him on The Firm tour back in the 80s, he was so dope sick he was vomiting pre-show, during, on the side of the stage. Jimmys heroin habit prevented him from producing after Zep.
David Lee Roth leaving VH and releasing Eat 'Em And Smile while VH released 5150. Liked the DLR album better. It sounded more visceral and shoot-from-the-hip. VH's 5150 sounded more like a slightly heavier version of Journey at that point. "Dizzy" Dean Davidson leaving Britny Fox and releasing Electric Rattlebone with Blackeyed Susan while BF released Bite Down Hard. I actually liked them both for different reasons. Loved the bluesy, Stones-ish vibe of BS while BF never sounded heavier. Vince Neil leaving Motley Crue and releasing Exposed while MC release their self-titled album barely a year later. Again, both great albums for different reasons. Vince kept the 80's vibe going, while MC never sounded heavier before or since. Dokken splitting up in '88, prompting Don Dokken to release the solo album Up From The Ashes while George Lynch and Mick Brown formed Lynch Mob and released Wicked Sensation. I prefer the LM album, but only by a slight margin.
- Bruce Dickinson "accident of birth" and "The chemical wedding" over Iron Maiden "virtual XI" by far 1997-98 -Angra "rebirth" and Shaman "Ritual" from 2001/02 both great albums, but still love Rebirth
I enjoyed this show very much, and it was very interesting. I only have one comment, and it's regarding Genesis. Mike Rutherford should have stuck to playing bass. The guy is an awesome bass player. I would put him up there with Chris Squire. But on the guitar, he is at best mediocre. Why he ever though he could take over the guitar duties in that band is beyond me, and probably why they had to bring in the second guy, who IS a really great guitarist. He totally changed the sound of the band, Rutherford did, in changing from bass to guitar, and definitely not for the better. I'm glad Steve Hackett has done so well on his own. I actually only own his first solo album, "Voyage Of The Acolyte," Time to look into his catalogue now. But I do have to add, one of my favourite solo albums by any Genesis member is "Smallcreep's Day" by Mike Rutherford. I think that album is a little masterpiece.
Steve hasn’t stood still and is terrific live - saw him month or so back doing all of Seconds Out, with some lovely nuances and properly finishing Cinema Show by going into Aisle of Plenty, plus his own material. He’s still a fantastic guitar player and I really love that he has respect for early Genesis and keeps that flame alive to his enormous credit. Many people thought that Daryl Steurmer should have been made a full time member but that would have necessitated changing from the keyboard driven pop. In retrospect, one of the reasons they may have been happy keeping Rutherford on guitar was they continued to hide it in the mix. That’s what is so fascinating about Steve planting the Genesis catalogue from Nursery Cryme to Seconds Out - his guitar is up front live. Try to catch him live!
Steve Hackett’s solo catalogue is very good; however, stay away from Cured. It’s one of the worst albums I have ever heard. If you get to read this Steve please accept my apologies but I had to call it as I heard it.
After listening to Pete champion the early Genesis catolog I brought early stuff (Nursery Cryme) thru when Hackett left (Wind & Wuthering). All I can say is Hackett was under utilized and under appreciated even during this golden age of the band. No wonder the man left!
I dunno. I love Steve Hackett and early Genesis. They're a keyboard-driven band. Hackett is there, but Banks is playing lead for the most part. Hackett's textures are phenomenal, and his occassional solos are amazing. I listen to those classic albums and I don't feel the need for more guitar. Not every rock band needs a guitarist up front, especially when you've got a keyboard and songwriting genius like Tony Banks in there.
"Heaven & Hell" and "Mob Rules" proved that Sabbath didn't need Ozzy to make great records. "Blizzard" and "Diary" proved Ozzy didn't need Sabbath to make great records. BUT it did prove Sabbath needed Ronnie and Ozzy needed Randy.
Ozzys solo shit was just awful... I did like a few songs off the first album...but then diary and that horrible bark at? Dio was so much better as a solo artist....It was bubble gum heavy metal at its finest.. Rather listen to bloodrocks first then any solo ozzy shit
What Ozzy needed was Kerslake and Hensley input to make him viable and Rhoda’s magic to make him essential!
Rhoad’s. F@&$)& phone🤘🏻
@@danholm4952 Ozzys first 3 albums are great, especially Diary
Steve Hackett is a class act, glad to hear him being appreciated as well. It is great to see the guy still touring and playing some of those old Genesis classics and not just the big hits. You get the sense Hackett is proud of the music he had a part in creating.
You two are the highlight of my Friday’s. Your knowledge of music make your shows entertaining and informative. Keep up the good work.
Popoff and Pardo are at it again with a fascinating topic. Thanks to i.hangus for recommending this topic and also to Martin and Pete for picking it up and sharing it with us. Good choices all around here - some expected, some unfamiliar to me - but always interesting to listen to Pete and Martin. Looking forward to Part 2. Thanks, gents.
Kill 'Em All
Metallica Dave Mustaine lead guitar, backing vocals (1982-1983) and co-write four song on Kill 'Em All and was fired and went on to formed the band Megadeth.
Steve Hackett/Genesis? Hackett rules! Steve is bringing his tour to my town in April. Already got my tics!!!!
You are in for a very special night!!!!! Enjoy!!! ❤️ Steve respects his time in Genesis and with his own special imprint on the live material too.
I have seen Steve Hackett at least a dozen times and this years in October doing Seconds Out was stunning the shows are superb. The best sound I have ever heard.
Genesis and Peter Gabriel; Yes with and without Jon Anderson; Post Beatles: John Lennon, Paul McCartney and George Harrison.
Really happy to see that Pete picked my topic suggestion. This is the second one, the first one was a suggestion for the HVS: "songs we like by bands we hate"(which was kind of a hit). My picks for today: Faces' A Nod Is As Good... over Humble Pie's Rock on (1971); Blizzard of Ozz over Heaven and Hell (1980); Big Audio Dynamite's This is B.A.D over Clash's Cut the Crap (1985); Breeders' Last Splash over Frank Black (debut) (1993); Sepultura's Against over Soulfly (debut) (1998)
"Cut the Crap" is laughable and sad (in a bad way) at the same time. Soulfly is worse than Sepultura, agree! "Last Splash" is better than Frank's debut. But Frank Black's career is better and fruitful than The Breeders'.
Good choice about Marriott and the Faces, it didn’t cross my mind. Well done 🎸
Glad you like Nod Is As Good. The album is wild, funky and greasy.
Great show. Joe Perry Project and Badlands. Good stuff, Gentlemen.
Ian Gillan a fun-loving drunkard. 37:37. LOL. I love that. Great episode!
Schenker didn’t “eventually” get a lead singer in Gary Barden.. Gary was the singer on the first album.. you should know that. Simon Phillips and Mo Foster pad out the rhythm section fresh from Jeff Beck and Don Airy tags along all as session players.. but Gary was in from the start
Enjoyed the show, interesting comparisons, I always loved Gillan band, no one else knew who they were. 😀
Great show, as always. It's not The Johansson brothers on Yngwies first album, only Jens. Barrimore Barlow from Jethro Tull plays the drums on that one.
Ozzy Osbourne became a household name. He became popular outside the Metal community. As big as Heaven and Hell was , it's limited to Hard Rock, Metal fans, Ozzy Osbourne was a lot more popular to people outside the Metal community, not to mention He became a Reality Television star
Would Savoy Brown / Foghat ( 1971) count ? ( 3 members left S B to start F H )Or is that outside of the lines ? Thanks.
That is definitely worthy of discussion.
@@gregwatson3300 I thought so. I saw S B on the " Street Corner Talking" tour, 71. Then a 4 band show \ Foghat (1st tour) Flash , Dr. Hook + Medicine Show , the Kinks , 72. Both shows were great. F H sold millions , S B sold far less but made more interesting music. I M H O .
Think I'll go with Ritchie Blackmore/Deep Purple. Rainbow wins the early battle but Deep Purple with Morse kills any Blackmore's Night releases and some later Rainbow as well. But Rising and Long Live Rock 'n Roll cannot be beat. A tie maybe? Phenomenal show and topic! Pete and Martin, the dynamic duo.
For some reason the two versions of Queensryche popped into my head first. Maybe it'll come up on a future episode. Or Guns N Roses (Axl) and every musician of the last 30 years. Fun video! Thanks, Pete & Martin!
The dynamic music duo is back cheers
Bob Daisley is the unsung hero of Ozzy's solo career, writing so many of the songs and uncredited for many more.
That period in the late 70s early 80s Whitesnake live were a level above, Gillan were great but Moody-Marsden-Paice-Lord-Murray band were top draw
Excellent topic guys!
Megadeth does circles around Metallica in my opinion. I do enjoy James Hetfields guitar work and their first 4 and 1/2 albums though. They were fast as hell too!
I like Dio best with Rainbow. Then his stuff with Sabbath. Then his solo stuff. In that order for me. Maybe...I do love those first two Dio albums. That's a tough one. Rainbow first though for sure!
Favorite stuff from Gaahl is his stuff with Wardruna, after his stuff with Gorgoroth. Then second would his solo stuff for me. Gaahls wyrd is an incredible solo album.
Those are a few....
Cheers Pete. Cheers Martin. 🍻
Phenomenally interesting episode - can't wait for the next one. Great job!
excellent! my favorite show on the channel.
Gotta love this stuff! Looking forward to part two!
Finding Sea of Tranquility has been a holiday treat. Love you guys. Since you take suggestions... what about: "first listen hated, further listen it's in steady rotation. Ex. Therepy? - Suicide Pact, you first.
1. The Allman Brothers Band- Brothers and Sisters
2. Lynyrd Skynyrd 1991
3. Black Sabbath- Heaven and Hell/Ozzy Osbourne- Blizzard of Ozz
4. Deep Purple Come Taste the Band/ Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow
Great show! I'd love to hear thoughts on the Gong side projects, Steve Hillage, NY Gong, Mother Gong, Tim Blake, Pierre's Gong, solo Daevid Allen...
The solo projects by Genesis members are incredible.
It always pisses me off at first when a key member of a band that I follow leaves, but then I think "well, where there were one great band, now you have two"; I think, at least in my experience, this has been the case more often. Great conversation as always, thanks! 🍺🤘
Iced Earth/Ashes Of Ares with Matt Barlow
Great show again. Thanks guys. The ones that sprang to mind for me were:
1. Van Halen w. Sammy Hagar V DLR solo. Draw.
2. Foreigner V Lou Gramm solo / Shadow King. Lou Gramm.
3. ELO w. Jeff Lynne V Roy Wood & Wizard. Initially Roy Wood, but longer term Jeff Lynne
4. Thin Lizzy V 1st Robbo’s Wild Horses, & 2nd Gary Moore solo. Thin Lizzy beat Wild Horses but draw with Gary Moore.
5. Post Generation X - Billy Idol v Tony James / Sigue Sigue Sputnik. Billy Idol wins
Peter cetera and chicago, its a shame he didnt stick to the almost heavy metal feel of his debut, both of the acts were ordinary soft rock in the late 80s apart from the ocassional hard rocker from chicago like look away
Loved this. Agree with most. Creative thinking guys.
I’m loving the Max Webster book! Full of details that I’ve wondered about for many many years, thank you Martin. 🎸🇨🇦
So many great ideas that you guys come up with each week...great videos and thank you so much. As for Plant he seems more restless and willing to explore a wider musical terrain and Page is more Zeppelinesque in his explorations. Maybe the relative commercial failure of Page's 'Outrider' album has undermined his confidence hence hiding behind Coverdale and later on Plant on his later recordings?
I think Walking Into Clarksdale is Jimmy’s best post Zep and of course that was with Robert. I really like WIC and it’s a shame they haven’t recorded a follow-up. Looking forward to the new Plant & Krauss though!
Interesting topic, well done as usual. My contribution to this would be Ace Frehley who, after leaving KISS in 1982, put out his solo band debut "Frehley’s Comet" in 1987, easily leaving KISS and their bloated, over-produced long player "Crazy Nights" behind. Even if the two following albums "Second Sighting" (1988) and "Trouble Walkin'" (1989) couldn't keep up with the debut, one can still state that Ace survived the late 80s era of the Hair Metal implosion much more down-to-earth, more creative and original. With "Revenge" (1992), however, KISS returned with a bang that nobody would have expected from them with this freshness and authenticity. The last big statement from a big band, everything that came after that is not really worth mentioning for me, while Ace later produced two - at least for me - decent solo albums with "Anomaly" (2009) and "Space Invader" (2014).
Could I suggest opening bands who blew the headliner off the stage as a future topic ? In the 70’s I caught Van Halen opening for Sabbath, also Peter Frampton opened for Uriah Heep. Missed Queen open for Mott the Hoople though.
The Monday night show - Hudson Valley Squares, did this topic.
Another group split was,of course,with Guns And Roses as well as Stone Temple Pilots (who I always liked more than Pearl Jam). The two groups made Velvet Revolver,which was pretty good actually. They didn't last long but I think it fits the discussion pretty well.
"MSG" (1981) by Michael Schenker Group is my favorite album of theirs, love Cozy's drumming on most of the albums he played on really and Gary Barden's a great vocalist.
In the 80's I preferred Sabbath over the Ozzy Osbourne Band's material and still do. "Heaven & Hell", "Born Again", and "Headless Cross" remain three of my favorite Sabbath records.
Going off the title alone before watching.. the one that immediately springs to mind is division bell era floyd vs Roger waters.. one night in Europe, they actually performed the same material simultaneously at different venues literally within earshot of eachother!
Haven't tuned in for a while but shocked over the haircut Pete.
You need to bring up Queensryche and Geoff Tate in this discussion
Stay tuned for Part 2
I definitely give Pete credit for getting me to check out the more recent Styx albums. The Mission was really good! I was surprised at how much it sounded like classic Styx, minus the more poppy stuff that i dont like much anyways.
Nice to hear people talking about Gillan. Such an exciting, wild band! Love Mr Universe, Glory Road and Future Shock! I am not too familiar with Whitesnake, but Saints an Sinners is a fun album and had a couple of classic songs as well.
I had tickets for the Ozzy show in Orlando ,FL . It was slated to be a Rock Superbowl with Foreigner, Ozzy, UFO,and Brian Adams..They replaced Ozzy with Pat Travers ,and I opted to see Foreigner and Brian Adams at a closer venue in Fort Myers,FL..
I was surprised that Pink Floyd and Roger Waters wasn't mentioned, maybe next episode. Also Van Halen and David Lee Roth / Sammy Hager. GNR and Slash / Izzy / Duff. Genesis and Phil Collins. Dire Straits and David Knopfler. Joan Jett and Lita Ford
Fun fact! Randy Jackson (of American Idol fame) played session bass on a couple of Ozzy songs.
I mainly come here for the weather reports. 😂
I love the show guys 👍
18:26 - Why is that cup so big? 🤣
How about Procol Harum/ Robin Trower?
...This is How it's done....Great Topic ....I have a couple extremist like us and we take these topics and run with them as well ...." All The Damn Time ! " ....lol ....Best Channel on the Web .....Cool Cool 😎....thanx Pete 😎 👍
Journey and Steve Perry. They'd sell their mother to get him back. He's released a few albums but they were never as good as his Journey suff. Journey released new albums but they were never as good as those with him. In fact they hire Steve Perry sound alike singers because his voice is so distinctive to the bands success.
Now they've just imploded with in fighting and lawyers.
Both want to just go and tour together one last time before one of them passes away. The fans would absolutely go nuts.
One of the 1st examples that came to mind for me were Rhapsody of Fire vs Luca Turilli's Rhapsody
Helloween and Gamma Ray comes to mind
Martin Popoff: "I'm so Heavy Metal that not only do I wear a studded leather jacket, I also wear studded snow tires on my car! Hell yeah!" \m/
Agree that No Place To Run is the best UFO album, and I'm a big fan of Schenker. Saw both bands a few times in the early '80s. Good times.
That was one of Pete's "What have you" fridays. 😄
I have used the 'v's fr convenience, not because they were necessarily adversarial: BCC becomes California Breed vs Joe Bonamassa, Black Crowes split and become two Robinson bros bands, Darkness split and become two bands Stone Gods and Hot Leg, Deep Purple vs Rod Evans & Captain Beyond, Hawkwind vs Lemmy & Motorhead, King Crimson & Foreigner vs Ian McDonald, Man vs Deke Leonard's Iceberg, Montrose vs Sammy Hagar, Mott the Hoople become Mott vs Ian Hunter, Ted Nugent vs Derek St. Holmes & St. Paradise, Supertramp vs Roger Hodgson
Was Mark Knopfler never counted as a guitar-hero? I always thought the main deal with Dire Straits was his playing and they became huge!
Just started watching this after the fact. I'm interested in hearing what these two say about the Genesis and Gabriel split. I was working in music retail back then and everyone was quite surprised that both did well - and that was way before each hit the 'big time'.
Good video as always. What would be really amusing is if the two of you did a video about the great Tom Waits. Not the most well known singer, although I have all his albums,but a true artist that sticks to his guns and has never catered to any trend or particular style.
Never heard his stuff, sorry.
@@seaoftranquilityprog Interesting. Here I thought you knew everything. Lol. Well maybe you'll get around to it. It has quite a few jazz elements, especially his early stuff.
I think the comparisons between Gillan and Whitesnake just show what a different band Deep Purple mk II were to Mk III & IV I saw both around 1980/81/82 and both were excellent with Gillan touring with 40 odd shows and Whitesnake doing slightly larger venues. Who was best? As good as each other but different.
Bonnet had two big solo hits in Australia long before he joined Rainbow, but nobody ever talks about it.
I hope you cover Van Halen and DLR next episode. I always felt Eat em and Smile was a Van Halen album in spirit. The lp Diver Down wanted to be IMO
I saw Jimmy Page for the Outrider tour,and John Miles was his lead singer..Good show,and the encore was an instrumental of Stairway to Heaven..
At the time we had loads of chats about which of Heaven or Hell (we loved the cover) or Blizzard was better. All of it seemed so fresh, even the Sabs, ( it was we were still at school ), and from memory I think we decided the Sabs was better (wrong call probably) - was it the cover that did it ? We could have been that shallow! In retrospect Ozzy was hitting higher peaks.
I remember Live Evil and Speak of the Devil came out on the same day If I remember correctly? My best friend Mike bought Live Evil and I bought Speak of the Devil. We argued which was better. But I think Ozzy out sold Sabbath by quite a bit on those two records. In hindsight although I like Brad Gillis, I dont really care for Speak as much as I did in 1983
I lived in Military Barracks when these two live albums came out - and the metalheads all picked sides. I was in camp Live Evil, but I would have to say 70% of us was camp Speak of the Devil.
With Sabbath and Ozzy I have to go with Sabbath. I love Blizzard, Diary and Tribute but after those albums I basically just like songs from Ozzy instead of entire albums. With Sabbath I love the Dio and Gillan eras and albums and I dig a lot of the albums from the Tony Martin era as well. It's kinda funny cause 20 plus years ago I would've picked Ozzy but over time i like the Jake E Lee and Zakk Wylde albums less than I did back then. I like Perry Mason off Ozzmosis and after that I'm not interested in the rest of the album or the rest of Ozzy's catalogue.
Big question to me has always been whether I would almost prefer the split to continue and give us lots of different output, or whether really the original is better than either. The most obvious being I wasn't 100% onboard when I heard Iron Maiden were reuniting because I liked The Maiden stuff with Blaze a lot more than the Bruce 90s albums - X Factor is a real quality album, honest - and I really liked what Bruce had been doing (all of it since he left, not just AOB/CW - I wanted another Skunkworks album, still do!) - so was quite into the idea of having both of those. That said - and I know not everyone sees it like this - the reunion has eclipsed both for me.
And Helloween/ Gamma Ray - yes please, and I don't really are which is better. if I have to decide Helloween have been better overall for me during the period both bands were running in parallel. Thing is though before the split and now with the new album is better than anything either has done, not always by much because there is lots of strong material out there, but Hansen and Weikath are great together, if only they put it into practice more.
Another one not mentioned which has given us loads of good music is After Forever/ Epica - Mark Jansen started one band and then left to start another - the original kept going for quite a while. Overall he did better the second time though After Forever had loads of good stuff - and Floor.
Quite often splits do give us loads of good material. Another symphonic metal example, but both Tarja and (especially) Anette have put out strong material since leaving Nightwish - neither will challenge NW, however I follow them and there is lots to listen to. Anette really has plenty of very good stuff out there.
Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman and Howe broke off from Yes. I think both bands were great while they co-existed. That being said, I was always partial to the musicianship and writing of the original members of Yes which comprised ABWH.
Came here to say exactly this.
Pink Floyd vs. Roger Waters would be a good one to discuss. Also, Queensryche vs. Geoff Tate.
or post waters floyd n solo gilmour v waters
Ah I see, great vid. I though it was going to be Yes vs Yes feat ..., Wishbone Ash vs Martin Turner's Wishbone Ash, John Lees' Barclay James Harvest vs Barclay James Harvest featuring Les Holroyd, etc, but I suppose they're maybe not that interesting.
Going with:
Sabbath
Robert Plant
Yngwie
Hagar
Styx
Whitesnake (although I'd take Rainbow over them and Gillan).
Genesis
Ozzy over Jake
MSG/UFO and Aerosmith/Joe are draws for me.
One thing Pete failed to mention is Crazy Train is the biggest song out of either catalog. You can’t deny that fact. Bigger than anything Ozzy Sabbath song and so on.
I don't really get the hate on UFO's 'Misdemeanor'. No, its not Schenker-era nor Chapman-era UFO, but the tunes are melodic and have hooks.
It's not bad by any means, but when you hold it to previous UFO standards...
...and I don't remember hearing anything about UFO at that time where McAuley Schenker was at least a known entity.
@@HuddshouseofRockNMetal No disagreement on comparing it to previous UFO albums/lineups, but I just don't get why Martin and others like Michael Butler (RnR Geek) just dismiss 'Misdemeanor' out of hand. I think if they were given truth serum they would admit there are decent songs on the album even if they don't like the synths.
I think I slightly prefer Ozzy in 1980 and 1981 to Sabbath around that same time, but in time I have learned to appreciate Sabbath stuff with Dio more and more. Sabbath stayed more true to metal while Ozzy was marketed perfectly - and had a catchy or poppy song or two on each album to interest the masses. Both declined musically as the 80s progressed imo, but Dehumanizer is a great, heavy, metal album whereas Ozzy’s 90s solo stuff has southern rock and God knows what diluting the overall quality. But back in 1981 I would have chosen Diary of a Madman as album of the year in a heartbeat. Randy was magical, so who knows what could have been if Mr Rhoads had created new material with Ozzy.
I wish Vai stayed to record Dangerous games . That version.of alcatrazz could have been....Good one guys. Marching out is one of rocks best ever !
The Beatles are an interesting conundrum. Even when they were a band, each individual member had their own distinctive songs and styles.
When they split John, George, and Paul all had success and very good musical output.
Then, of course, there is Ringo….🤷😄
"John Lennon and Plastic Ono Band" is 50% of The Beatles and is a damn masterpiece.
Didn't Yngwie start the solo artists doing instrumental albums? Of Those Satriani is still my favorite.
Yeah very interesting discussion to watch. : )
Next episode: Jeff Lynne/ELO (post-72) vs Roy Wood/Wizzard ?
Great topic bro's
Alice Cooper: Welcome to my Nightmare is much better than Battle Axe.
- Fight: War of Words & A Small Deadly Space over Judas Priest: Jugulator & Demolition...but, it's very close because I love all 4 of those albums.
After Fish left Marillion they both put out some great albums and some stinkers. Overall I prefer Marillion over Fish.
After Neal Morse left Spock's Beard, he went on a tear. His solo stuff and other projects are better than what SB has done. Which brings me to Mike Portnoy. His post DT stuff is much better than the Mangini albums, although their new album is great.
I remember correctly, Ozzy said there was some legal issue about using his solo stuff on the live Speak of the Devil album.
I love solo Ozzy Osbourne,Roger Waters , John Fogerty and Peter Gabriel more than their respective bands became.
Weirdly though a couple of my favourite sabbath songs are sung by dio.
Saw him on The Firm tour back in the 80s, he was so dope sick he was vomiting pre-show, during, on the side of the stage. Jimmys heroin habit prevented him from producing after Zep.
I have to assume that Van Halen and Metallica will be mentioned in the next episode.
David Lee Roth leaving VH and releasing Eat 'Em And Smile while VH released 5150. Liked the DLR album better. It sounded more visceral and shoot-from-the-hip. VH's 5150 sounded more like a slightly heavier version of Journey at that point.
"Dizzy" Dean Davidson leaving Britny Fox and releasing Electric Rattlebone with Blackeyed Susan while BF released Bite Down Hard. I actually liked them both for different reasons. Loved the bluesy, Stones-ish vibe of BS while BF never sounded heavier.
Vince Neil leaving Motley Crue and releasing Exposed while MC release their self-titled album barely a year later. Again, both great albums for different reasons. Vince kept the 80's vibe going, while MC never sounded heavier before or since.
Dokken splitting up in '88, prompting Don Dokken to release the solo album Up From The Ashes while George Lynch and Mick Brown formed Lynch Mob and released Wicked Sensation. I prefer the LM album, but only by a slight margin.
The 2 first Joe Perry Project albums is just as great as Toys in the Attic and Rocks.
You could have had a triple, with Sabbath, Ozzy and Dio.
- Bruce Dickinson "accident of birth" and "The chemical wedding" over Iron Maiden "virtual XI" by far 1997-98
-Angra "rebirth" and Shaman "Ritual" from 2001/02 both great albums, but still love Rebirth
I enjoyed this show very much, and it was very interesting. I only have one comment, and it's regarding Genesis. Mike Rutherford should have stuck to playing bass. The guy is an awesome bass player. I would put him up there with Chris Squire. But on the guitar, he is at best mediocre. Why he ever though he could take over the guitar duties in that band is beyond me, and probably why they had to bring in the second guy, who IS a really great guitarist. He totally changed the sound of the band, Rutherford did, in changing from bass to guitar, and definitely not for the better. I'm glad Steve Hackett has done so well on his own. I actually only own his first solo album, "Voyage Of The Acolyte," Time to look into his catalogue now. But I do have to add, one of my favourite solo albums by any Genesis member is "Smallcreep's Day" by Mike Rutherford. I think that album is a little masterpiece.
Steve hasn’t stood still and is terrific live - saw him month or so back doing all of Seconds Out, with some lovely nuances and properly finishing Cinema Show by going into Aisle of Plenty, plus his own material. He’s still a fantastic guitar player and I really love that he has respect for early Genesis and keeps that flame alive to his enormous credit. Many people thought that Daryl Steurmer should have been made a full time member but that would have necessitated changing from the keyboard driven pop. In retrospect, one of the reasons they may have been happy keeping Rutherford on guitar was they continued to hide it in the mix. That’s what is so fascinating about Steve planting the Genesis catalogue from Nursery Cryme to Seconds Out - his guitar is up front live. Try to catch him live!
Steve Hackett’s solo catalogue is very good; however, stay away from Cured. It’s one of the worst albums I have ever heard. If you get to read this Steve please accept my apologies but I had to call it as I heard it.
Priest vs Fight would be a good one. The War of Words album is one of the best metal albums ever.
Sepultura and Soulfly
Gillan and Deep purple
Entombed and Entombed A.D.
Great haircut Pete
"Steve Hackett is probably in the end got a better voice, than Peter Gabriel and Phil Collins". He is a funny one, him Martin.
Yep. Not sure why this is not sensible.
Renaissance vs. Illusion.....
Probably Renaissance.