Meanwhile in Ephraim’s route... Valter: Let’s see if your lance is as sharp as your tongue Cormag: **instakills him by crit** Me: Yup. His lance really is as sharp as his tongue.
It actually makes sense that Eirika's Lyon would be more manipulative, because Lyon had a crush on her, and Eirika knew that and took pity on him because of it. Ephiram's Lyon would be more aggressive, because Lyon and Ephiram had a friendly rivalry prior to the war, and him being obsessed by the Demon King would have just amplified those feelings of competition.
.midival_Minstrel Idk but isnt Valter already had crush on her,if we had a lil bit too many guys had crush on her Erika might labelled as a Mary shu character
@@cbbblue8348 I know this is one year later, but I just wanna throw it out there that valter had a "Rape and murder" kinda thing going on, I don't think he counts.
@@cbbblue8348 I know this is 3 years later but yeah, we have Innes and Lyon where it's very obvious they're into Eirika. Then there's Seth, Saleh, L'arachel, (Ephraim?) and Tana, who kind of have a crush on her but it's not too obvious. And then there's Valter who's just insane. Moral of the story: everyone in Magvel is into Eirika.
I would say the Demon King amplified Lyons feelings of jealousy and inadequacy. He deep down was always jealous and envious of Ephriam's strength and determination.
It's crazy how the stories keep Lyon consistent in how the twins see him. In Ephraim's route Lyon does all the talking and makes it seem like he's pulling all the strings (But in reality it's the demon king). But in Erika's route it seems like Lyon is being dragged along with the generals and he even shows signs that he doesn't want to be a part of what they're doing. On Ephraim's side Lyon is the aggressor but on Erika's side he's the victim. SS has one of the best stories in the series
I always hated how Lyon was portrayed in Eirika's route. Still do. He's a generic villain. Ephraim Route Lyon is a nuanced, subtle character trapped and consumed by his negative emotions. He is the Demon King, the Demon King is he. Seeing them side by side like this makes him a little more bearable, but that's a feature not available in-game.
@@cultreader9751 I understand your perspective but think of it this way; with both routes completing the puzzle, we can understand that Lyon does have bearings over himself. Which is all the more reason why he is acting like the generic villain that Eirika did not want him to be in order to for her to steel herself and strike him down for good. With Ephraim's case, he understands that he is able to handle the truth in stride and as such is willing to come clean with who he really is at that point. On the other hand, Eirika, being so easily swayed and manipulated, would find it hard to truly accept the truth as is; and would not resolve to the redemption he wanted out of the person he loved. He wanted Eirika to strike him down, as well as making her believe that he will die as the Demon King by her hands, instead of dying as Lyon in order to keep that memory of his kind self alive in the person he loves. It's all intrinstic and has to be inferred of course but that's my take on his character.
I like Joshua and Caellach's conversations and Cormag and Valter's conversations more in Eirika's route. Their motivations for fighting (revenge mostly) are laid out the best, and it just makes it feel so much better when Cormag and Joshua inevitably insta-gib their nemeses with a crit.
Honestly, Valter being a big scumbag is a pretty good motivation to fight. I used google translate and then edited it to make more sence, so not exactly a good translation, but valters words in japanese were basically(quoting from memory) "oh cormag. You are up against Grado. I did not think you would betray us. *short pause* No way. You thought you could defeat me. You cannot beat me with your power. You know that. Yet again, if you show your loyalty towards Grado, that life of yours will be saved. You don't want to die as a traitor, don't you? cling to me! Please cormag!" Cormag then says: "Valter, I'm a traitor. If we both fight, one of us will fall....it may be me. But someone as lowly as you has nothing to wish for." And valter then says: "Nononononono, that is what I am saying. You'll entertain me more than your brother did!" Once again, this was what happened when a dude who does not understand japanese used google translator and then edited the text to make sence. So it is in no way accurate. But still an interessting thought how it portraits the scene diffrently from the english localisation.
Truthfully, things are more dramatic in Eirika's route. But on the contrary, Ephraim's route are more realistic and straight up to the face, no courtesy or anything. Just pure confidence in your action, unlike Eirika's lenient trust in others. I love how each route has their own personality based on the prince & princess
@@lpfan4491 The English translation made an excellent choice: "Yes, I have broken my vows Valter, and yes, it may be I who falls when we tilt lances. But a dog like you will never see me crawl."
so Ephraim's Route gives us a Explanation of Events and motives and Eirika's route Character Backstories and intense confronts of characters that kbew each other or work alongside them in the past
"Ephraim: These are the sacred twin relics of Grado, the dark tome Gleipnir and the black axe Garm, i doubt either of us can use them, but..." The world is ironic, isn't it?
Watch Brave Eirika coming with Excalibur. It's actually one of the weapons not in feh for now. (The FE8 version, since Merric had Excalibur for exemple )
Thinking of doing another comparison video for FE7. Would you rather see: comparisons between Hector Mode and Eliwood Mode, or comparisons where Mark the tactician exists and where he doesn't
For all my vote counts, I'd like to see Hector Mode vs. Eliwood Mode. Mark doesn't really have any lines, and though he's acknowledged by the playable characters, I don't expect his absence to make much of a difference.
the only diffrences of mark not existing i am aware of are: his name is automaticly set as mark(seen on the tacticians scroll item) certain lines where chars interact with you are not called you do not get the afas drops the tacticians scroll item will not have any affect
Eirika: is it possible to save Lyon at all? L'Arachel: only 1 person ever escaped the Demon King's corruption Eirika: 👀 so it has happened before L'Arachel: *o fuck*
In Ephraim Route: Sir we are here because we don't care if we die plus Eirika is with some Frelians bodyguards "Cool" In Eirika Route: Ephraim sent us because he doesn't care what happens to him "That sounds like my brother"
So basically, Eprhaim's is better. Also a perfect demostration of the contrast between Ephraim and Eirika; Ephraim: So what happened while I was away? Eirika: The queen died. Eirika: So what happened while I was away? Ephraim: I conquered the enemy capital and killed the emperor.
Ephraim: Yes, did it all with only the help from my trusty Reginleif! But really, he left Eirika with his Cavaliers and charged back into Grado soloing it, F**king Badass
The boss conversation between Eirika and Lyon in Ephraim's route may be a hint to players that he pretends to be posessed In Eirika's route, he REALLY wants to kill her to torture Lyon In Ephraim's route, he just tell her to go away. He doesn't want to kill her
it is a better diffrence than the ephraimconversation to be honest. if not for the supply-option in the right footage,people probably would not have noticed that it is actually reversed in the video. they are just too interchangeable with eirikaroute conversation being written to taunt ephraim specificly and making him really think everything is lost with the ephraimroute convo losing focus on the guy ironicly, yet involving "that weakling" and "only the demon king remains" which is more clearly ephraimroute. In fact, I actually switched them around in a minor romhack I made because I felt that it fits better that way despite the wording
I like ephraim route maps but eirika route has the important story parts that in ephraim story don't get to deep into like joshua being the prince. Eirika ending is better I think.
@@Erst999 No it gets glossed over in Erika's route, and what happens to Lyon in that route is so lame. It goes into much more details in Ephriam's route, as well as how the people in Gardo feel about it more than in Erika's route. Also, the Joshua stuff really isn't all that important in the story overall. Erika's path has better world building as it goes into more details on certain other places. But both stories have their fair share of important story elements, while personally I think Ephriam's story goes into characters a bit more than Erika's dose. I think Ephriam's ending is better IMO
Historically, Ephraim route was harder and Eirika route was about the plot. That was the general consensus. However, Ephraim route focused on Vigarde, Selena, Duessel and Knoll all of which didn't appear in Eirika route (instead we had Glen, Ismaire, Saleh and Innes). Attacking Grado vs Grado Attacking basically. However, it would be much better to not compare the two and say that both routes complement and match each other beautifully, especially Lyon's mind games when it comes to the siblings.
Orson is more a tragic villain, though his role as a villain is actually pretty large in the grand scale of the story given that Renais was turned to ruin during his reign and because of that carelessness is a major factor why Ephraim was welcomed onto the throne so welcomely. though as for Orson's character itself, His wife dies of illness, a wife who he is pretty much known among the knights for adoring above all else. Suddenly someone comes along and says that they can bring her back. Put yourself in his shoes and suddenly you thinks "this deal sounds suspicious, but... if it's possible and they can bring her back..." and the only cost i turning coat, most men would still take the quite literal Faustian bargain just for that chance, and lo-and-behold, that's EXACTLY what he does. I'd say his backstory actually makes him even sadder as an enemy, not in the sense of true sorrow, but sad as in he genuinely had motives besides "Ah, I'm a bad guy! I want gold/and or prestige!". All Orson wanted was to live his life with his wife.
There's a lot of irony I noticed here with Caellach and Joshua. In Ephraim's route, Joshua pokes fun at Caellach's desires with "I want to be a king," while in Eirika's route its clear that Caellach just inadvertently made Joshua the king.
"You nut, you won't ever be king. I will be." "Alrighty. Sorry about what is going to happen, pal." "Nah, I am sorry because I will win." Basically both routes combined in a nutshell.
"My favorite route is the third one where Lyon is actually the prince of an invisible kingdom but there was a curse and he couldn't tell anyone about it. " Oh you mean *Fire Emblem Fates: Revelation*
Ephraim route: Valter: Let’s see if your lance is as sharp as your tongue Cormag: **crits** Valter: **DEAD** Eirika route: Cormag: Oh Valter... Your death will be slow and agonizing. **kills him quick with a crit** Valter: **DEAD**
Eirika is my favorite lord in the series and for the most part I prefer her route. But I find the final battle with Lyon even more heartbreaking on Ephraims route
Plasma It's a spoiler joke from Fire Emblem Fates: Revelations, he is mocking at it because the three routes of that game have terrible story writing, and Revelations is the worst of them
Regunes oh but you should the games are excellent and like 3/4ths of the characters are amazing. I know the story is sub par but it is bearable and heirs of fate basically saves the entire story as it finally ties everything together for a spectacular grand finale conclusion.
I wonder why Vigarde and Morva are not secret playable characters. I mean, Fado (Eirika and Ephraim's father) had less screentime and yet he's still a recruitable unit.
The best part about this game... The writing is subtly different. Eirika's route is more emotional and filled with highs and lows. From the death and reuniting of a Queen and her long lost son, to saving villagers from certain doom, Eirika's route really makes you want to play a hero and save the land from the dark creatures, all while trying to evade the stronger Grado army. Conversely, Ephraim's route is very cold, warlike, and not entirely heroic. He doesn't go too far out of his way to save people like Eirika. He has a job to do and he gets it done. I personally like Eirika's story better, it's always been my favorite of the two. Though Ephraim's story has it's fun parts (I really enjoy all the maps he runs through over Eirika's path). And for those hating on Fates... We all know it had HUGE potential, sadly they dropped the ball on it and I hope they learned their lesson. But I whole heartedly loved the children's story from the DLC. Definitely shows they can write good stories if they have a solid plot.
“Doesn’t go out of his way to save people.” So in chapter 9 when he says that if we quickly seize the throne room the solders should surrender, or in Selena’s chapter where he actually dose try to persuade the general to surrender still count for him not caring to spare people?
@@joegreen3802 Getting to the throne makes soldiwrs surrender, thus making the objective easier and avoiding unnecesary fighting. He does it based of eficiency and strategic agenda. He doesn't enjoy killing but has no problem to do so if it makes siezing the objective easier/faster. Regarsing to Duessel he trained with him as a child when he visited grado and was a fatherly figure to him in some ways. It's by no means going out of his way to save someone. He has his goals well stablished and befriending Duessel it's a subproduct of crossing paths with him, not him going out of his way to "save" Duessel. Same with Selena, he recognizes the potential she has as an ally and lets clear he rather would recruit her to have a powerful ally in the future than fight her. Yet when she shows she is blinded by the grief of Vigarde's death, Ephraim doesn't think twice and fights her to death. He fights with honor, but by no means he goes out of his way like Eirika does to redeem and save characters directly unrelated to them.
@@faylure9985 I doubt Erika would have saved Selena. She was too determined to fight to the death. Even Dussel who knew her the most of the army knew that she couldn’t be persuaded.
Great editing and timing in keeping things consistent. Incredibly impressed because I know how much dedication and planning that takes. You even manipulated the RNG to keep things consistent. I guess the only way this could be improved is if you could turn off the music in game and tone them manually to get rid of the points where the two routes desynchronize, but I understand that is unforeseeable and a minor nitpick.
While I enjoyed both routes overall, I think Ephraim’s is definitely better story-wise, since I like the idea of Lyon still being sentient but losing his kindness and morals due to the Demon King’s influence, rather than simply being an empty puppet fully controlled by him.
I actually feel the details of his corruption/possession are needlessly confusing on Ephraim's route. The Demon King corrupts him but he doesn't really know it but he actually does but he's in denial about but he pretends he has less control than he does but the Demon King was actually in control the whole time...? I'm too busy asking what's even going on to wonder what it means theme-wise
Lol, Ephraim's route is in no way bettrr history wise. As a character Ephraim itself is a worse character and has a worse and more bland developement that her sister Eirika. The story itself is worse by a large mile, character developement and world building is nowhere near as complete as in Eirika's route. And can make many points about Ephraim's route being better in many ways but story wise it's not even close, Eirika's story is better story wise in every single aspect and the fact that you state otherwise is clear proof that you didn't understand the story. Ephraim's route has harder maps, in the stories we get to know more about the story and the tragedy that surrounds Grado military, the Generals in particular. Discovering that the emperor is a puppet is not a big reveal, we already knew the Renais brothers were childhood friends and that Grado realized a surprise attack to Renais. We also get to meet (evil)Lyon sooner and everything in the story is just revealed as his path advances. The motivations for the characters on Ephraim's route makes narrative emphasis on how some are evil and why and why some are good and just yet they knowingly serve evil. Yet it doesn't go deep enough intos subject. Characters like Duessel and Selena have prwtty cool arcs but they aren't really that explored. Ephraim's route also has the handicap of being basicly a sidequest until after the end of chapter 9. It has neat explanations earlier on like Myrr, Selena, Duessel, evil Lyon or dead pupped Vigarde. But that's all, and Ephraim's lack of real flaws and extreme stoicism cripples severly it's narrative and character developement, since Ephraim almost doesn't have flaws he can't really improve or develop with the depth Eirika does. Eirika's route on the other band has a lot of better worldbuilding explanations, keeps as unknown the reasons about why everything it's hapoening but as early as chapter 4 (iirc, the Lute+Arthur chapter) you get hinted very heavily that this is not a simple armed conflict between greedy humans and that some otherwordly evil forces are at play. You also get to see Eirika's developement and flaws way more clearly; the amount, cadence and variety of troops that join your group feels more organic and in check with the narrative. The maps are a bit worse in terms of gameplay balance and overall a bit easier, a feeling augmented by the fact that you had the first 9 chapters to develop some sort of roster that you can keep fully using if you choose Eirika's path. Eirika as a character is full of flaws, she is naive, she is delusional, she is on negation phase of the biggest reveals until the truth slapz her in the face (like Lyon being evil and too far gone to be possible to save him) and so on. Not only in Eirika's rout we get to see more of how a good and well intentioned Character Eirika is but also the struggles to let go from th3 past while being reconciliating about the common suffering of all the involved. She tries to move forward while she tries to not lose those things that make her special: Empathy, opneness, faith in good and trust in her friends and comrades. And we see her fail, we see her fail in spectacular manner many times: She fails to get fast to her destination, fail to save the stones, fail to save Jehanna in time, fail to admit defeat if that means giving up on hope about someone she loves and fail to recognise other people's feelings towards her and her surroundings despite empathy being one of her stronger psicological aspects. We also see Eirika travel the world basicly on foot and face challenges in different parts of the xontinet of Magvel, from swamps or high mountain peaks to portuary cities and diferent scenarios heavily influences by the places the take place on, like Carcino's fights or her failed attempt to save Jehanna from harm. She also suffers extra because of how is she as a character, because she wants to see the best in everybody and tries to redeem as many people as possible Lyon falls in love with her and she fails to realize it in time, because of that love she gets to meet a Lyon that even when he is far gone stills shows his best face to the woman he loves and when we advance in the story her predetermined inclination for redemption makes her enter in a denial that ends up in her giving one of the kast sacred stones to the very evil they are fighting. She makes this mistake because Lyon tried to be as she remembered before the conflict erupted and tried to keep the demon king perdona at bay while he telked with Eirika, thus later on when everyone with enough knowledge on the scenario tells her that Lyon is too far gone she doesn't accept it, costing the group dearly. And after that slap of reality she snaps bsck from it and makes peace with herself, she admits there are things she or anyone cannot fix and comes to peace with the terms that to save the most people she has to confront things that clash with her personal beliefs, like having to give up on people she loved for the benefit of the greater good. And even then, when she fights Lyon she admits that she is not fully mentally prepared to face what she has to do to succeed in saving the world. So in conclusion: While Ephraim's route offers a bigger challengeoverall in a game that is not specially hard and the maps of his route are generally harder. The character of Ephraim evilves very little comoared to Eirika. While Ephraim's rout offers and earlier insight on the real motives causing the international conflict in Magvel and the point if view on some of those characters at first sight we would consider "the bad guys", it fails on explaining the parts that we discover on Eirika's path. And also many of themore concise insight we get to see is thanks to suppor conversations like the ones between Knoll and Duessel and/or Amelia (and maybe Myrr). It's not that it's only told in Ephraim's rout, it's that in his story we get the tiols to achieve a deeper explanatiom earlier, yet Ephraim's rout completely fails on aknowledging anything that happened in Eirika's rout. While if you choose Eirika's path, one of the only things you get to know the truth about way later is that Lyon is evil, too deep into the rabbithole to be saved. Fuck me, in Ephraim's rotu isn't even aknowledged that Joshua is the heir to Jehanna's Throne. Also, key points like the unfolding of Orson's story happens after the reunification of the Renais siblings. So interesting aspects of Ephraim's path get explained outside of his character specific rout. In general, it is clear that Eirika's path was always intended to be the main story and that Ephraim's rout feels more like content presented to have an excuse to make a second playthrough and discover some nieche specific aspects of the whole narrative surrounding the war on Magvel and it's causes. Ephraim's rout works great if you have already completed the game through Eirika's path, it offers insighy on minor narrative plots and a hugher difficulty. But it fails to deliver if the player on his first playthrough chooses Ephraim's rout instead of Eirika's. On the other hand Eirika's path feels complete on its own, while Ephraim's path for a first playthrough feels incomplete even when the gameplay challenge is slightly more elevated. TLDR: You are plain wrong and your statement shows that you either only played Ephraim's route, that you didn't understand the game and its story or that you just based your opinion on "which ine of the siblings looks and acts cooler" and ignore the rest of the aspects that clearly prove Eirika's path to be superior in both character developement and story progression. I'm glad to expose your mistaken statement since it clearly is a comment based on personal bias and ignorance rather than an ovjective analysis of the fire emblem sacres stones nareative alternative developement.
Ephraim's route is good and represents a bigger challenge but story and lore wise Erika's route makes more sense specifically with Caellach and Valter, not to mention Lyon plays different roles but he is a manipulative bastard in Erika's and that makes it more convincing given he is weak or thinks himself weaker than both of them
I think they should've had you choose which Lord to play as at the beginning of the game. It just doesn't feel right to swap out Eirika after she was the main Lord for a 3rd of the game.
I’m actually most surprised that there’s half an hour of content here. I thought the story was the same after the reunion, but the protagonist still has a lot of influence on how the dialogue plays out… very cool, FE8, very cool
But conquest is like Not normal' How many games have you seen with you playing as the villains? Also, Lilith Also, birthright has a less interesting final boss
When I first found out that Orson have betrayed me, I immediately restarted the game and looted him off the second time around. I took everything from him, and I mean EVERYTHING. His dialogue about his wife concerned me tho but useless pawns with no purpose are left to be eliminated.
they should make a remake with lunatic mode in where you choose one of the siblings but go alone (like if you that your troops aid ephraim but control Erika
I like the Eirika Route more tbh. It feels like more Story. Such as Cormag learns about Valter killed his Brother Glen and Joshua knows that Caellach is the Murderer of his Mother. Also we learn about Joshua being the Prince of Jehanna. The Ephraim Route is kind of filled with unleft important plot holes. =/ The Reunion between Eirika and Ephraim feels also more emotional in the Eirika Route than in the Ephraim Route.
The Light Brand sword is obtained at the end of chapter 19 if no more than 2 green units were defeated. With warp tricks, it’s possible to defeat the boss and end the chapter in just 1 turn.
I think you forgot the scene after the Rausten chapter, were Ephraim talk with Tana, and in the other route Eirika talks with L'Arachel. But great video nonetheless.
24:57 did the draco zombie we face is myrhh foster parent? I didn't realized that because i skip the dialogue. If only there is a dialogue between myrhh and draco zombie
Honestly, the chapter on Eirika's route should be called 'Revenge', since you can get revenge on Caellech for the Queen using Joshua, and on Valter for Glenn using Cormag. While on Ephraim's route, 'Reunion' would be fitting. Since, as far as I remember on that route, Cormag doesn’t find out about Valter killing Glenn, and Joshua doesn’t find out about Caellech killing Ismaire until afterwards.
Anyone feels that the GBA trilogy is probably the most consistently good era of fire emblem? All 3 games are REALLY good and kinda get gta 3, vc, and sa, vibes. What I mean is that the we have the first game (binding blade/gta 3) a very solid start that's a bit rocky in some areas. Then we get the next game (blazing blade/gta vice city) a follow-up to didn't change much, rather polish things up a bit here and there. Then we move the 3rd entry (sacred stones/san Andreas) the one REALLY polished things up and delivered an even better experience.
27:49 you missed the differences between the routes when Myrrh reacts at the end of chapter 20 to the slaying of Morva. My favourite difference that's so much better in Ephraim's route!
Although FE8 is like the easier of all, it's the one I like the more story-wise. I don't fully understand why Lyon is so different in the two paths though, but I prefer how he is in Ephraim's. I'm actually playing fates just because of the two route thing SS had, and it's sadly disappointing for a number of reasons though I haven't played the third path yet (but I heard it's just a mess with a different story so...). It's so sad that sacred stones has such poor gameplay in the late game, with lame chapters (the one with gorgons is free exp fest, the other one with Riev as boss can be trivialized so easily) and weak enemies. It's ridicolous how easy it is even with no grinding, even though the game has more than one grinding option and the tower gives rewards.
Is there an explanation for some of the route differences in this game aside from the obvious eirika/ephraim being the protagonist main lord differences? Like, why is it that joshua and caellach's convo changes depending on which route you choose?
Ch15 Eirika's route quotes are way stronger and better than Ephraim's route which instead sound like casual chat and "I'm not gonna run anymore" Eirika's route has the plot and Ephraim's route has the challenge (well since this game is too easy, it isn't that challenging until chapter 18 of course)
I like Calleach vs Joshua in Ephraim's route better. In Eirika's route, the battle's all about Joshua getting revenge, but on Ephraim's, it revealed a more a more neutral side of things like how they were ex - best friends trying to catch up, but unfortunately they were on different sides now and have different goals. One wants to become a king no matter what, the other, I guess, probably made friends along the way, so sadly they have to fight each other or what
so in short; *eirika route* to defeat demon king (plot for joshua, glen) and *ephraim route* to defeat lyon (plot for duessel, selena). the latter is more angsty cos of lyon
Story wise, I like Eirika's route more, but i prefer how Lyon is handled in the Ephiraim's route. He actually thinks that he's a hero and is trying to use the power of the demon king to become a better leader for his people. The scene where Lyon crushes the Sacred Stone also makes more sense in Ephiraim route since Ephiraim is rightfully pissed off that the Demon King is using his Friend's body as a parasite and falls into a trap, but when he realizes that Lyon is the one pulling the strings, he actually tries to deny it. Overall, i feel the rivalry and friendship between Ephiraim and Lyon was better written.
Man, the dialogues here are long but really good and interesting. I mean, FE6 characters didn't get that much development between battles and supports' conversations.
i mean,they did. most people miss it tho since the chars most interessting are those nobody gives a damn about. like astore/astolfo. you need to support him with the knights and lilina to get his full story and with igrene to get a sidestory regarding him and all of those people are horrible as units. not to mention not everyone fields astore since they prefer to use chad(even tho he is technicly worse as a unit)
I actually made a personal rewrite at some point that changes it to eirika knowing she cant give it to him because they are literally fucked if the demon king takes control and then he just quickly takes the sacred stone from her hand when she let her guard down because she wasted his time by suggesting she banishes the dk(pun not intended) from his body. works surprisingly well with eirikas emotional breakdown when he does not even try to hide his identity anymore. she fucked up because she was too weakminded which contrasts ephraim being too weak physicly to move when he ran into the trap. the two aspects they are supposed to be good at individually
Matt Trulock I mean while it was very dumb logically, the Demon King manipulated her emotions since he knew if there was any chance of getting her cherished friend back, then she would most likely take it. Though I agree with the comment above, in that the scene would’ve been executed better if he took the stone when she let her guard down, rather than her just willingly handing it over.
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"Can I copy your homework?"
"Sure just make sure to change it a little"
Somehow, this feels like something that would actually happen in the studies of these two.
@@lpfan4491 good lord i had no idea this comment even existed
@@cancerousweeaboo2075 A huge blast from the past, eh?
Cancerous Weeaboo lmaoooo
@@cancerousweeaboo2075 Do you now?
"Oh Valter, your death will be slow and agonizing." *instakills*
pengie9290 same
The extra second on the crit animation is the slow and agonizing part.
Fuck, I'm a year too late.
Meanwhile in Ephraim’s route...
Valter: Let’s see if your lance is as sharp as your tongue
Cormag: **instakills him by crit**
Me: Yup. His lance really is as sharp as his tongue.
@@butteredsalmonella Shupogaki
Love how Joshua and Caellach are having a casual chat in the Ephraim route
One of my favorite convos.
That's because he doesn't know yet that he killed his mother, otherwise...
I don't. I prefer the Eirika route *because* of that dialogue between Joshua and Caellach.
It actually makes sense that Eirika's Lyon would be more manipulative, because Lyon had a crush on her, and Eirika knew that and took pity on him because of it. Ephiram's Lyon would be more aggressive, because Lyon and Ephiram had a friendly rivalry prior to the war, and him being obsessed by the Demon King would have just amplified those feelings of competition.
.midival_Minstrel Idk but isnt Valter already had crush on her,if we had a lil bit too many guys had crush on her Erika might labelled as a Mary shu character
@@cbbblue8348 I know this is one year later, but I just wanna throw it out there that valter had a "Rape and murder" kinda thing going on, I don't think he counts.
@@megasuperiordude you also forgot the part where valter wants to make eirika his slave but I guess the "rape and murder" comes into effect as well
@@cbbblue8348 I know this is 3 years later but yeah, we have Innes and Lyon where it's very obvious they're into Eirika. Then there's Seth, Saleh, L'arachel, (Ephraim?) and Tana, who kind of have a crush on her but it's not too obvious. And then there's Valter who's just insane. Moral of the story: everyone in Magvel is into Eirika.
I would say the Demon King amplified Lyons feelings of jealousy and inadequacy.
He deep down was always jealous and envious of Ephriam's strength and determination.
It's crazy how the stories keep Lyon consistent in how the twins see him. In Ephraim's route Lyon does all the talking and makes it seem like he's pulling all the strings (But in reality it's the demon king). But in Erika's route it seems like Lyon is being dragged along with the generals and he even shows signs that he doesn't want to be a part of what they're doing. On Ephraim's side Lyon is the aggressor but on Erika's side he's the victim. SS has one of the best stories in the series
I am not sure about it being the best, as there are many titles I have yet to play in the series. But it is definitely one I think of fondly.
One of the best for sure.
I think alongside Shadows of Valentia it had the best villains I feel with Orson and Lyon but especially Lyon
I always hated how Lyon was portrayed in Eirika's route. Still do. He's a generic villain. Ephraim Route Lyon is a nuanced, subtle character trapped and consumed by his negative emotions. He is the Demon King, the Demon King is he.
Seeing them side by side like this makes him a little more bearable, but that's a feature not available in-game.
@@cultreader9751 I understand your perspective but think of it this way; with both routes completing the puzzle, we can understand that Lyon does have bearings over himself. Which is all the more reason why he is acting like the generic villain that Eirika did not want him to be in order to for her to steel herself and strike him down for good. With Ephraim's case, he understands that he is able to handle the truth in stride and as such is willing to come clean with who he really is at that point. On the other hand, Eirika, being so easily swayed and manipulated, would find it hard to truly accept the truth as is; and would not resolve to the redemption he wanted out of the person he loved. He wanted Eirika to strike him down, as well as making her believe that he will die as the Demon King by her hands, instead of dying as Lyon in order to keep that memory of his kind self alive in the person he loves. It's all intrinstic and has to be inferred of course but that's my take on his character.
I like Joshua and Caellach's conversations and Cormag and Valter's conversations more in Eirika's route. Their motivations for fighting (revenge mostly) are laid out the best, and it just makes it feel so much better when Cormag and Joshua inevitably insta-gib their nemeses with a crit.
Caellach has the hoplon guard and literally cannot be crit
You could always steal the hoplon guard.
Honestly, Valter being a big scumbag is a pretty good motivation to fight. I used google translate and then edited it to make more sence, so not exactly a good translation, but valters words in japanese were basically(quoting from memory)
"oh cormag.
You are up against Grado.
I did not think you would betray us.
*short pause*
No way. You thought you could defeat me.
You cannot beat me with your power. You know that.
Yet again, if you show your loyalty towards
Grado, that life of yours will be saved.
You don't want to die as a traitor, don't you?
cling to me!
Please cormag!"
Cormag then says:
"Valter, I'm a traitor.
If we both fight, one of us will fall....it may be me.
But someone as lowly as you has nothing to wish for."
And valter then says:
"Nononononono,
that is what I am saying.
You'll entertain me more
than your brother did!"
Once again, this was what happened when a dude who does not understand japanese used google translator and then edited the text to make sence. So it is in no way accurate. But still an interessting thought how it portraits the scene diffrently from the english localisation.
Truthfully, things are more dramatic in Eirika's route. But on the contrary, Ephraim's route are more realistic and straight up to the face, no courtesy or anything. Just pure confidence in your action, unlike Eirika's lenient trust in others.
I love how each route has their own personality based on the prince & princess
@@lpfan4491 The English translation made an excellent choice: "Yes, I have broken my vows Valter, and yes, it may be I who falls when we tilt lances. But a dog like you will never see me crawl."
so Ephraim's Route gives us a Explanation of Events and motives and Eirika's route Character Backstories and intense confronts of characters that kbew each other or work alongside them in the past
"Ephraim: These are the sacred twin relics of Grado, the dark tome Gleipnir and the black axe Garm, i doubt either of us can use them, but..."
The world is ironic, isn't it?
Yeah. From Fire emblem heroes, they can use these wp :D
Watch Brave Eirika coming with Excalibur. It's actually one of the weapons not in feh for now. (The FE8 version, since Merric had Excalibur for exemple )
Took me a minute but since I played heroes. And I thought of it before I finished your reply lol.....it was reassuring, impressive to find
Ephraim: No more talking, let's fight.
Eirika: We had possibilities, but we need to fight.
Thinking of doing another comparison video for FE7. Would you rather see:
comparisons between Hector Mode and Eliwood Mode, or
comparisons where Mark the tactician exists and where he doesn't
For all my vote counts, I'd like to see Hector Mode vs. Eliwood Mode. Mark doesn't really have any lines, and though he's acknowledged by the playable characters, I don't expect his absence to make much of a difference.
done: ruclips.net/video/fHPzJCGK2OA/видео.html
the only diffrences of mark not existing i am aware of are:
his name is automaticly set as mark(seen on the tacticians scroll item)
certain lines where chars interact with you are not called
you do not get the afas drops
the tacticians scroll item will not have any affect
Hector mode canon. Hector x Farina is canon.
Eirika: is it possible to save Lyon at all?
L'Arachel: only 1 person ever escaped the Demon King's corruption
Eirika: 👀 so it has happened before
L'Arachel: *o fuck*
In Ephraim Route: Sir we are here because we don't care if we die plus Eirika is with some Frelians bodyguards "Cool"
In Eirika Route: Ephraim sent us because he doesn't care what happens to him "That sounds like my brother"
I like how Cormag tells Valter that he will kill him nice and slow, then proceeds to butcher him with one attack.
I like to imagine Valter was too injured to fight and then Cormag left him there to bleed out and die.
"Remember -Sully- Valter, when I told you I would kill you -last- slowly? I lied." - -Arnie- Cormag
So basically, Eprhaim's is better.
Also a perfect demostration of the contrast between Ephraim and Eirika;
Ephraim: So what happened while I was away?
Eirika: The queen died.
Eirika: So what happened while I was away?
Ephraim: I conquered the enemy capital and killed the emperor.
This is why I prefer Ephraim over Eirika.
Ephriam:So what happened while I was away?
Erika:The queen died.
Erika is a savage when it comes to conversations.
Ephraim: Yes, did it all with only the help from my trusty Reginleif!
But really, he left Eirika with his Cavaliers and charged back into Grado soloing it, F**king Badass
+KoiiBlitz
either Ephriam or Erika are badass,but i like Ephriam more cuz look at him,he looked so serious while Erika was like "wat".
I hadn't even noticed that, if you go Ephraim route he has an army, but if you go Eirika he soloes the entirety of Grado, what a fucking boss.
"Valter, your death will be slow and agonizing." *instant kills him*
3:40 That moment when you realize he tried to attack the guy with the Hoplon Guard with a Killing Edge...
I actually made the same mistake.
Yeah, the Hoplon Guard negates damage taken if the holder receives a critical hit.
The boss conversation between Eirika and Lyon in Ephraim's route may be a hint to players that he pretends to be posessed
In Eirika's route, he REALLY wants to kill her to torture Lyon
In Ephraim's route, he just tell her to go away. He doesn't want to kill her
it is a better diffrence than the ephraimconversation to be honest. if not for the supply-option in the right footage,people probably would not have noticed that it is actually reversed in the video. they are just too interchangeable with eirikaroute conversation being written to taunt ephraim specificly and making him really think everything is lost with the ephraimroute convo losing focus on the guy ironicly, yet involving "that weakling" and "only the demon king remains" which is more clearly ephraimroute. In fact, I actually switched them around in a minor romhack I made because I felt that it fits better that way despite the wording
I like ephraim route maps but eirika route has the important story parts that in ephraim story don't get to deep into like joshua being the prince. Eirika ending is better I think.
I’d say Ephriam’s goes into important story elements and characters too. It’s not all just Erika’s story for characters.
@@joegreen3802 Only what happens in Grado and that gets explained in Eirika route while Joshua and other info goes unmentioned in Ephraim route.
@@Erst999 No it gets glossed over in Erika's route, and what happens to Lyon in that route is so lame. It goes into much more details in Ephriam's route, as well as how the people in Gardo feel about it more than in Erika's route. Also, the Joshua stuff really isn't all that important in the story overall.
Erika's path has better world building as it goes into more details on certain other places. But both stories have their fair share of important story elements, while personally I think Ephriam's story goes into characters a bit more than Erika's dose.
I think Ephriam's ending is better IMO
Historically, Ephraim route was harder and Eirika route was about the plot. That was the general consensus. However, Ephraim route focused on Vigarde, Selena, Duessel and Knoll all of which didn't appear in Eirika route (instead we had Glen, Ismaire, Saleh and Innes). Attacking Grado vs Grado Attacking basically.
However, it would be much better to not compare the two and say that both routes complement and match each other beautifully, especially Lyon's mind games when it comes to the siblings.
Very well put together!
Orson=Best minor villain in the series.
+The Guardian Don't make me laugh at you.
Orson is more a tragic villain, though his role as a villain is actually pretty large in the grand scale of the story given that Renais was turned to ruin during his reign and because of that carelessness is a major factor why Ephraim was welcomed onto the throne so welcomely. though as for Orson's character itself, His wife dies of illness, a wife who he is pretty much known among the knights for adoring above all else. Suddenly someone comes along and says that they can bring her back. Put yourself in his shoes and suddenly you thinks "this deal sounds suspicious, but... if it's possible and they can bring her back..." and the only cost i turning coat, most men would still take the quite literal Faustian bargain just for that chance, and lo-and-behold, that's EXACTLY what he does. I'd say his backstory actually makes him even sadder as an enemy, not in the sense of true sorrow, but sad as in he genuinely had motives besides "Ah, I'm a bad guy! I want gold/and or prestige!". All Orson wanted was to live his life with his wife.
I much prefer Camus
Finding out that he was spending time with his dead wife was pretty creepy.
The Guardian XD SO TRUE THOUGH
> "slow and agonizing"
> Critical hit.
Nice "slow and agonizing" death there.
the way Ephraim reacts to Lyon's 'death' at 16:08
That's quite a savage description you have written.
At least it isn't badly written, unlike some game plot.
coughFATEScough
It literally is the plot of Fates: Revelations. Yes it's bad, yes I know he's being satirical. ^_^
OH YEAH. That was pretty odd writing there, fantastic description.
Fates is written perfectly well, it's the translation that sucks, or so I hear.
The Amazing G That's bullshit
The Amazing G
Naaaah the fan translation is much more faithful and it's still a mess of a stort
There's a lot of irony I noticed here with Caellach and Joshua. In Ephraim's route, Joshua pokes fun at Caellach's desires with "I want to be a king," while in Eirika's route its clear that Caellach just inadvertently made Joshua the king.
"You nut, you won't ever be king. I will be."
"Alrighty. Sorry about what is going to happen, pal."
"Nah, I am sorry because I will win."
Basically both routes combined in a nutshell.
@@lpfan4491 That writing you came up with is worse than fates.
@@finna1002 It is supposed to be a meme-version. If I were to actually put it into the game through a romhack, I would obviously put more effort in.
@@lpfan4491 true true. Do you have discord?
"My favorite route is the third one where Lyon is actually the prince of an invisible kingdom but there was a curse and he couldn't tell anyone about it.
"
Oh you mean *Fire Emblem Fates: Revelation*
Fire Emblem:The sacred memes
@@lpfan4491 noooo, what have you wrought upon this world, take it back!
Wow this video is in true 21:9 instead of that cropped garbage. Thank you so much for this
*actually kinda wants to see Ephraim in a jester's hat...*
Ephraim route:
Valter: Let’s see if your lance is as sharp as your tongue
Cormag: **crits**
Valter: **DEAD**
Eirika route:
Cormag: Oh Valter... Your death will be slow and agonizing. **kills him quick with a crit**
Valter: **DEAD**
Eirika is my favorite lord in the series and for the most part I prefer her route. But I find the final battle with Lyon even more heartbreaking on Ephraims route
Ephraim: I conquered the capital and killed the emperor.
Me playing the first time: *Spits out drink* Marty Stu ass.
He did all by himself until the Grado Keep where he forced himself a new Jagen to replace Orson, and Knol
I like eirika's version of Joshua and Cormag
Ferdinand Andre The dialogue is more touching and reveal some information
The Video description killed me laughing.
DemolisherBPB i didn t understand :'
Plasma It's a spoiler joke from Fire Emblem Fates: Revelations, he is mocking at it because the three routes of that game have terrible story writing, and Revelations is the worst of them
oh... i'm glad i haven't buy both of them...
Regunes oh but you should the games are excellent and like 3/4ths of the characters are amazing. I know the story is sub par but it is bearable and heirs of fate basically saves the entire story as it finally ties everything together for a spectacular grand finale conclusion.
I wonder why Vigarde and Morva are not secret playable characters. I mean, Fado (Eirika and Ephraim's father) had less screentime and yet he's still a recruitable unit.
The best part about this game... The writing is subtly different. Eirika's route is more emotional and filled with highs and lows. From the death and reuniting of a Queen and her long lost son, to saving villagers from certain doom, Eirika's route really makes you want to play a hero and save the land from the dark creatures, all while trying to evade the stronger Grado army. Conversely, Ephraim's route is very cold, warlike, and not entirely heroic. He doesn't go too far out of his way to save people like Eirika. He has a job to do and he gets it done.
I personally like Eirika's story better, it's always been my favorite of the two. Though Ephraim's story has it's fun parts (I really enjoy all the maps he runs through over Eirika's path).
And for those hating on Fates... We all know it had HUGE potential, sadly they dropped the ball on it and I hope they learned their lesson. But I whole heartedly loved the children's story from the DLC. Definitely shows they can write good stories if they have a solid plot.
Violet Foxchu and then I.S give us SoV's great story narration
“Doesn’t go out of his way to save people.”
So in chapter 9 when he says that if we quickly seize the throne room the solders should surrender, or in Selena’s chapter where he actually dose try to persuade the general to surrender still count for him not caring to spare people?
@@joegreen3802 Getting to the throne makes soldiwrs surrender, thus making the objective easier and avoiding unnecesary fighting. He does it based of eficiency and strategic agenda. He doesn't enjoy killing but has no problem to do so if it makes siezing the objective easier/faster.
Regarsing to Duessel he trained with him as a child when he visited grado and was a fatherly figure to him in some ways. It's by no means going out of his way to save someone. He has his goals well stablished and befriending Duessel it's a subproduct of crossing paths with him, not him going out of his way to "save" Duessel.
Same with Selena, he recognizes the potential she has as an ally and lets clear he rather would recruit her to have a powerful ally in the future than fight her. Yet when she shows she is blinded by the grief of Vigarde's death, Ephraim doesn't think twice and fights her to death. He fights with honor, but by no means he goes out of his way like Eirika does to redeem and save characters directly unrelated to them.
@@faylure9985 I doubt Erika would have saved Selena. She was too determined to fight to the death. Even Dussel who knew her the most of the army knew that she couldn’t be persuaded.
SO.HARD. TO WATCH. BOTH SCREENSS AT ONCE
Unless you are an Asian
@@Saul30119 stop just... Stop
Phú Hoàng silence racist
And the sound too its hard to listen
dUH y0u hAV3 tW0 ËYë$
i miss this game, the world and the story are well crafted, unlike games nowadays
Great editing and timing in keeping things consistent. Incredibly impressed because I know how much dedication and planning that takes. You even manipulated the RNG to keep things consistent.
I guess the only way this could be improved is if you could turn off the music in game and tone them manually to get rid of the points where the two routes desynchronize, but I understand that is unforeseeable and a minor nitpick.
Cormag: your death will be slow and agonizing (one shots valter)
Cormag: SHIT
I think it would be cool if there was a 3rd route with innes as the lord
And one for Joshua. A bonus one for Lyon too maybe
L'arachel
Or a route where Lyon is actually the prince of an invisible kingdom but there was a curse and he couldn't tell anyone about it.
made my day haha xD
Omg I'm dying lol
While I enjoyed both routes overall, I think Ephraim’s is definitely better story-wise, since I like the idea of Lyon still being sentient but losing his kindness and morals due to the Demon King’s influence, rather than simply being an empty puppet fully controlled by him.
I actually feel the details of his corruption/possession are needlessly confusing on Ephraim's route. The Demon King corrupts him but he doesn't really know it but he actually does but he's in denial about but he pretends he has less control than he does but the Demon King was actually in control the whole time...? I'm too busy asking what's even going on to wonder what it means theme-wise
Ephraim's route is focused on the villans and Eirika's is focused on worldbuilding and some of you characters.
Eirika had the better story
Lol, Ephraim's route is in no way bettrr history wise. As a character Ephraim itself is a worse character and has a worse and more bland developement that her sister Eirika.
The story itself is worse by a large mile, character developement and world building is nowhere near as complete as in Eirika's route.
And can make many points about Ephraim's route being better in many ways but story wise it's not even close, Eirika's story is better story wise in every single aspect and the fact that you state otherwise is clear proof that you didn't understand the story.
Ephraim's route has harder maps, in the stories we get to know more about the story and the tragedy that surrounds Grado military, the Generals in particular. Discovering that the emperor is a puppet is not a big reveal, we already knew the Renais brothers were childhood friends and that Grado realized a surprise attack to Renais. We also get to meet (evil)Lyon sooner and everything in the story is just revealed as his path advances. The motivations for the characters on Ephraim's route makes narrative emphasis on how some are evil and why and why some are good and just yet they knowingly serve evil. Yet it doesn't go deep enough intos subject. Characters like Duessel and Selena have prwtty cool arcs but they aren't really that explored. Ephraim's route also has the handicap of being basicly a sidequest until after the end of chapter 9. It has neat explanations earlier on like Myrr, Selena, Duessel, evil Lyon or dead pupped Vigarde. But that's all, and Ephraim's lack of real flaws and extreme stoicism cripples severly it's narrative and character developement, since Ephraim almost doesn't have flaws he can't really improve or develop with the depth Eirika does.
Eirika's route on the other band has a lot of better worldbuilding explanations, keeps as unknown the reasons about why everything it's hapoening but as early as chapter 4 (iirc, the Lute+Arthur chapter) you get hinted very heavily that this is not a simple armed conflict between greedy humans and that some otherwordly evil forces are at play.
You also get to see Eirika's developement and flaws way more clearly; the amount, cadence and variety of troops that join your group feels more organic and in check with the narrative.
The maps are a bit worse in terms of gameplay balance and overall a bit easier, a feeling augmented by the fact that you had the first 9 chapters to develop some sort of roster that you can keep fully using if you choose Eirika's path.
Eirika as a character is full of flaws, she is naive, she is delusional, she is on negation phase of the biggest reveals until the truth slapz her in the face (like Lyon being evil and too far gone to be possible to save him) and so on.
Not only in Eirika's rout we get to see more of how a good and well intentioned Character Eirika is but also the struggles to let go from th3 past while being reconciliating about the common suffering of all the involved. She tries to move forward while she tries to not lose those things that make her special: Empathy, opneness, faith in good and trust in her friends and comrades. And we see her fail, we see her fail in spectacular manner many times: She fails to get fast to her destination, fail to save the stones, fail to save Jehanna in time, fail to admit defeat if that means giving up on hope about someone she loves and fail to recognise other people's feelings towards her and her surroundings despite empathy being one of her stronger psicological aspects.
We also see Eirika travel the world basicly on foot and face challenges in different parts of the xontinet of Magvel, from swamps or high mountain peaks to portuary cities and diferent scenarios heavily influences by the places the take place on, like Carcino's fights or her failed attempt to save Jehanna from harm.
She also suffers extra because of how is she as a character, because she wants to see the best in everybody and tries to redeem as many people as possible Lyon falls in love with her and she fails to realize it in time, because of that love she gets to meet a Lyon that even when he is far gone stills shows his best face to the woman he loves and when we advance in the story her predetermined inclination for redemption makes her enter in a denial that ends up in her giving one of the kast sacred stones to the very evil they are fighting. She makes this mistake because Lyon tried to be as she remembered before the conflict erupted and tried to keep the demon king perdona at bay while he telked with Eirika, thus later on when everyone with enough knowledge on the scenario tells her that Lyon is too far gone she doesn't accept it, costing the group dearly.
And after that slap of reality she snaps bsck from it and makes peace with herself, she admits there are things she or anyone cannot fix and comes to peace with the terms that to save the most people she has to confront things that clash with her personal beliefs, like having to give up on people she loved for the benefit of the greater good. And even then, when she fights Lyon she admits that she is not fully mentally prepared to face what she has to do to succeed in saving the world.
So in conclusion: While Ephraim's route offers a bigger challengeoverall in a game that is not specially hard and the maps of his route are generally harder. The character of Ephraim evilves very little comoared to Eirika.
While Ephraim's rout offers and earlier insight on the real motives causing the international conflict in Magvel and the point if view on some of those characters at first sight we would consider "the bad guys", it fails on explaining the parts that we discover on Eirika's path. And also many of themore concise insight we get to see is thanks to suppor conversations like the ones between Knoll and Duessel and/or Amelia (and maybe Myrr). It's not that it's only told in Ephraim's rout, it's that in his story we get the tiols to achieve a deeper explanatiom earlier, yet Ephraim's rout completely fails on aknowledging anything that happened in Eirika's rout. While if you choose Eirika's path, one of the only things you get to know the truth about way later is that Lyon is evil, too deep into the rabbithole to be saved. Fuck me, in Ephraim's rotu isn't even aknowledged that Joshua is the heir to Jehanna's Throne.
Also, key points like the unfolding of Orson's story happens after the reunification of the Renais siblings. So interesting aspects of Ephraim's path get explained outside of his character specific rout.
In general, it is clear that Eirika's path was always intended to be the main story and that Ephraim's rout feels more like content presented to have an excuse to make a second playthrough and discover some nieche specific aspects of the whole narrative surrounding the war on Magvel and it's causes. Ephraim's rout works great if you have already completed the game through Eirika's path, it offers insighy on minor narrative plots and a hugher difficulty. But it fails to deliver if the player on his first playthrough chooses Ephraim's rout instead of Eirika's.
On the other hand Eirika's path feels complete on its own, while Ephraim's path for a first playthrough feels incomplete even when the gameplay challenge is slightly more elevated.
TLDR: You are plain wrong and your statement shows that you either only played Ephraim's route, that you didn't understand the game and its story or that you just based your opinion on "which ine of the siblings looks and acts cooler" and ignore the rest of the aspects that clearly prove Eirika's path to be superior in both character developement and story progression.
I'm glad to expose your mistaken statement since it clearly is a comment based on personal bias and ignorance rather than an ovjective analysis of the fire emblem sacres stones nareative alternative developement.
Ephraim's route is good and represents a bigger challenge but story and lore wise Erika's route makes more sense specifically with Caellach and Valter, not to mention Lyon plays different roles but he is a manipulative bastard in Erika's and that makes it more convincing given he is weak or thinks himself weaker than both of them
I think they should've had you choose which Lord to play as at the beginning of the game. It just doesn't feel right to swap out Eirika after she was the main Lord for a 3rd of the game.
I can see where you're coming from, but Eirika's early story helps establish the setting and concepts such as the importance of the bracelets.
@@artificialaceattorney6822 that doesnt invalidate what he said at all lol. either lord could convey that.
I just think that they should do like Alm and Celica and do both routes at the same time
Amazing editing
Mightykami It's pretty surprising how he managed to perfectly sync almost all the cutsenes.
Cormag owning Valter will always be satisfying to see regardless of route
I’m actually most surprised that there’s half an hour of content here. I thought the story was the same after the reunion, but the protagonist still has a lot of influence on how the dialogue plays out… very cool, FE8, very cool
THE DESCRIPTION THO LOL
Ephraim's route : Conquest cause better story
Erika's route : Birthright cause story could be better
But conquest is like
Not normal'
How many games have you seen with you playing as the villains?
Also, Lilith
Also, birthright has a less interesting final boss
But birthright..doesnt have a very good story.
Yw
And you do have a point. Elise's Death was very sad.
-Trash Can- NOHR were they an evil kingdom
When I first found out that Orson have betrayed me, I immediately restarted the game and looted him off the second time around. I took everything from him, and I mean EVERYTHING. His dialogue about his wife concerned me tho but useless pawns with no purpose are left to be eliminated.
Best description
12:18 why is it that Ephraim has a supply in the box of erikia's box
Probably swapped.
they should make a remake with lunatic mode in where you choose one of the siblings but go alone (like if you that your troops aid ephraim but control Erika
I never do Eirika's route so I didn't remember that things were different. o_O Omfg, thanks for the vid.
Supposedly the hard route is Ephraim's, while Eirika's is the easy one. I say the real hard route is "The other one".
Balloon Boy ??
I honestly like Eirika's version of Joshua and Caellach's conversation more.
I really like the relationship between Lyon and Eirika, also her route more because so much emotions. Especially toward each character
Jesus fuck Eirika's route is so grimdark.
fake h ikr o_o
That "I'm sorry, Ephraim" still hits like a truck 20 years later
I like the Eirika Route more tbh. It feels like more Story. Such as Cormag learns about Valter killed his Brother Glen and Joshua knows that Caellach is the Murderer of his Mother. Also we learn about Joshua being the Prince of Jehanna. The Ephraim Route is kind of filled with unleft important plot holes. =/ The Reunion between Eirika and Ephraim feels also more emotional in the Eirika Route than in the Ephraim Route.
Note on that, Valter is actually supposed to hint at Glen's fate, but the localisation just translated that out for some reason.
It was perfect in the Japanese version. Both routes complement to each other.
Weird how the language in ephraim's route is a lot more flowery, while erika's is short and to the point
Now I kinda wanna see a romhack where Lyon's the one who kills Fomortiis
I come back to this video from time to time just for that description. so good lmao
The Description
+Matthew Aether Can't be any more true than that, huh?
I mean I knew there were obvious differences but a lot I just missed lmao. This was really cool to watch I appreciate that this was made ^_^
Cormag: "Your death will be slow and agonizing."
The Killer Lance in his hand: "Ummm, no?"
When the fighter was sptrash talking Lyon I was like "no don't trash talk one of the best FE villains"
The Light Brand sword is obtained at the end of chapter 19 if no more than 2 green units were defeated. With warp tricks, it’s possible to defeat the boss and end the chapter in just 1 turn.
Eirika story line is darker then Ephraim story line....
I think you forgot the scene after the Rausten chapter, were Ephraim talk with Tana, and in the other route Eirika talks with L'Arachel. But great video nonetheless.
24:57 did the draco zombie we face is myrhh foster parent? I didn't realized that because i skip the dialogue.
If only there is a dialogue between myrhh and draco zombie
Nope, it's Myrhh's father who then got corrupted by Lyon and one of the imperial general Riev in Chapter 20.
Honestly, the chapter on Eirika's route should be called 'Revenge', since you can get revenge on Caellech for the Queen using Joshua, and on Valter for Glenn using Cormag.
While on Ephraim's route, 'Reunion' would be fitting. Since, as far as I remember on that route, Cormag doesn’t find out about Valter killing Glenn, and Joshua doesn’t find out about Caellech killing Ismaire until afterwards.
Lyon when he sees Brave eirika: I AM SO CONFUSED, I DONT KNOW HOW TO FEEL ABOUT YOU ANYMORE.
I liked this video solely due to the description.
34:35 the moment Eirika become twisted
Anyone feels that the GBA trilogy is probably the most consistently good era of fire emblem? All 3 games are REALLY good and kinda get gta 3, vc, and sa, vibes. What I mean is that the we have the first game (binding blade/gta 3) a very solid start that's a bit rocky in some areas. Then we get the next game (blazing blade/gta vice city) a follow-up to didn't change much, rather polish things up a bit here and there. Then we move the 3rd entry (sacred stones/san Andreas) the one REALLY polished things up and delivered an even better experience.
FE6 is not a good game nor a balanced game, it really sucks at that department
27:49 you missed the differences between the routes when Myrrh reacts at the end of chapter 20 to the slaying of Morva. My favourite difference that's so much better in Ephraim's route!
Also missed the pep talk that Tana/L'Arachel give the route lord after Lyon breaks Renais's Sacred Stone
I didn't know you could recruit cormag! I was so bummed out when I read the recruitment conditions for him!
Although FE8 is like the easier of all, it's the one I like the more story-wise. I don't fully understand why Lyon is so different in the two paths though, but I prefer how he is in Ephraim's.
I'm actually playing fates just because of the two route thing SS had, and it's sadly disappointing for a number of reasons though I haven't played the third path yet (but I heard it's just a mess with a different story so...).
It's so sad that sacred stones has such poor gameplay in the late game, with lame chapters (the one with gorgons is free exp fest, the other one with Riev as boss can be trivialized so easily) and weak enemies. It's ridicolous how easy it is even with no grinding, even though the game has more than one grinding option and the tower gives rewards.
The Demon King hides its nature and tries to manipulate Eirika, while he has nothing to hide from Ephiriam so it shows its true nature.
"tries" EIRIKA LITERALLY GIVES HIM 2 SACRED STONES
Fe fates revelation is actually pretty good
Lolwutman6 One, and it’s because she was convinced with fairly good reason that the stones could suppress the demon king
Glad I got To know Joshua More in Eirika's Route
Is there an explanation for some of the route differences in this game aside from the obvious eirika/ephraim being the protagonist main lord differences? Like, why is it that joshua and caellach's convo changes depending on which route you choose?
In Eirika rout Joshua knew that caellach killed his mother in ephraim he dosen't
way to give you more story
Emperor Vigarde, who is leading the Imperial generals in The Grado Empire, why is his picture not in this game's theme called "Solve the Riddle?"
Credits roll and L'arachel want's Ephriams Falchion-- uh, spear
mean, considering L'arachel is one of Ephraim's possible marriage options/paired endings
Wow so I guess in Ephraim's route you just never find out Joshua's true identity
he's a side character.
EIRIKA WHY WOULD YOU GIVE LYON THE STONE?!?!
Ch15 Eirika's route quotes are way stronger and better than Ephraim's route which instead sound like casual chat and "I'm not gonna run anymore"
Eirika's route has the plot and Ephraim's route has the challenge (well since this game is too easy, it isn't that challenging until chapter 18 of course)
True but Ephraim’s route has far more reveals pertaining to Lyon, which are only glossed over in Eirika’s version of the end of Chapter 15
This was well choreographed
That fucking description LMFAO
the hell? Why does Lyon have that 1 point of difference in speed? Like... really? What's the point lol
Speed. The speed point.
12:00 So... the demon king wants to rape Eirika? geez...
I like Calleach vs Joshua in Ephraim's route better.
In Eirika's route, the battle's all about Joshua getting revenge, but on Ephraim's, it revealed a more a more neutral side of things like how they were ex - best friends trying to catch up, but unfortunately they were on different sides now and have different goals. One wants to become a king no matter what, the other, I guess, probably made friends along the way, so sadly they have to fight each other or what
The dialogue in eirika's route isn't about revenge either. It is about Joshua learning about who killed his mother and what he will do after the war.
I like how Caellach and Joshua have a peaceful conversation then later murder each other unlike Valter and Cormag clash already.
a prince of a invisible kingdom and can not be spoken about well fef revolution
Oh I love this so much!
so in short; *eirika route* to defeat demon king (plot for joshua, glen) and *ephraim route* to defeat lyon (plot for duessel, selena). the latter is more angsty cos of lyon
Story wise, I like Eirika's route more, but i prefer how Lyon is handled in the Ephiraim's route. He actually thinks that he's a hero and is trying to use the power of the demon king to become a better leader for his people. The scene where Lyon crushes the Sacred Stone also makes more sense in Ephiraim route since Ephiraim is rightfully pissed off that the Demon King is using his Friend's body as a parasite and falls into a trap, but when he realizes that Lyon is the one pulling the strings, he actually tries to deny it. Overall, i feel the rivalry and friendship between Ephiraim and Lyon was better written.
Man, the dialogues here are long but really good and interesting. I mean, FE6 characters didn't get that much development between battles and supports' conversations.
i mean,they did. most people miss it tho since the chars most interessting are those nobody gives a damn about. like astore/astolfo. you need to support him with the knights and lilina to get his full story and with igrene to get a sidestory regarding him and all of those people are horrible as units. not to mention not everyone fields astore since they prefer to use chad(even tho he is technicly worse as a unit)
@@lpfan4491 idk man Astolfo is the best thief in FE6
The Main Character of the game
SETH
You left out the pep talk scene D:
03:45 for Joshua and Cormag 😀
I get that Lyon was her closest friend, but she was an idiot for giving him the stone.
Matt Trulock L' Arachel had already told her that not even the sacred stone could save him, but there she goes handing it over to him :facepalm:
I actually made a personal rewrite at some point that changes it to eirika knowing she cant give it to him because they are literally fucked if the demon king takes control and then he just quickly takes the sacred stone from her hand when she let her guard down because she wasted his time by suggesting she banishes the dk(pun not intended) from his body.
works surprisingly well with eirikas emotional breakdown when he does not even try to hide his identity anymore. she fucked up because she was too weakminded which contrasts ephraim being too weak physicly to move when he ran into the trap. the two aspects they are supposed to be good at individually
Matt Trulock I mean while it was very dumb logically, the Demon King manipulated her emotions since he knew if there was any chance of getting her cherished friend back, then she would most likely take it.
Though I agree with the comment above, in that the scene would’ve been executed better if he took the stone when she let her guard down, rather than her just willingly handing it over.
I Chose Ephraim's route at first then I tried Eirika's Route
They need to remake for Nintendo Switch I never heard of this one
First time see Joshua I never recognise him as prince, and story of Joshua him self are like prince of Persia (just guessing)