I mean…it’s situational, and I’d argue there are more situations where cross face is more effective. Clearly if you can get that deep of an under hook, where his arm is fully ineffective, sure it’s “better”. However, getting a shallow under hook, where he can still clinch onto you, especially if you’re the smaller man, can get u swept. Like so many things in grappling, there are many variables that determine the true answer.
I'm at the point I maintain top position against people my belt or one above often, these tips like this only help maintain further. Insightful as always.
Gordon mentioned this about their match. He deliberately let Josh re-guard many times simply to stay in the camping position and make Josh work by having to continuously lift him and/or carry his weight. Smart move because Josh is most likely stronger and more athletic than Gordon. Gassing him out made Gordon's technique more effective later in the match. ruclips.net/video/qG-8xEz2MHo/видео.htmlsi=jTQWL9OVqQDaYiQD&t=255
Gordon does talk about not having issues with being re half guarded as long as it's on his terms. Check out his instructionals for that. He wants bottom guys to have to fight to stay in the same step or two steps as that is more tiring. He will solidify position when he's ready for the next step in his process
I agree BUT something totally overlooked about our go-to techniques in grappling - because "We are not in boxing here boy !" - is the size of the arm (length, thickness), I think. Same thing when performing body triangle and the size of our legs
I do like this, however, I strongly prefer the crossface as I find it more effective in keeping me on top. The re-guard can work, but if anything, it puts me in a perfectly set up knee cut, and I do like making my opponents push against heavy hips to tire out. The wedge of his shoulder stops him from extending me too far down, whereas with double unders, i feel a strong bridge coupled with a pull down of the elbows gets me too far down their body, allowing for a re-guard into closed guard (which requires a full reset on my part). Double unders are for mount imo.
To be fair, the crossface relies on the pressure of the same side hip securing the position. Danaher has taught this in his half guard instructional and points out the issue of not bringing the same side hip to the crossface elbow stating that it will cause separation in the connection. Otherwise awesome video!😊
As an immediate control I’d go for cross face all day. Nobody is just going to allow you to have that deep of an underhook, it’s something you’d have to fight for and in the process you could quite easily lose them through the far side. Whereas the cross face is almost guaranteed. The opponent fighting the leg whilst under the mount position isn’t that difficult to prevent. It can easily be mitigated by isolating the far arm for a head and arm finish
You can also drop your hips on the hand. If they have their open hand(not first) in your hip and you drop your hip on the hand it will be really painful for them.
I watched a video of Gordon Ryan about his match against Josh and he said in the video that he let Josh get his guard back on purpose. It was part of his strategy to wear him out with pressure before getting the submission.
gordon does this on purpose as he's openly said a few times that he's ok with his opponent expending lots of energy to not really get anywhere of value since part of his game plan is to tire opponent out
To be fair, Gordon says double unders are best for half guard passing. There could be many reason why he didn’t utilize it in that match. His hierarchy is: 1: Double unders 2: Far side underhook, near side overhook, and a near side headblock 3: Far side underhook with a near side headblock 4: Near side underhook 5: Cross face and underhook (top head and arm) 6: Crossface only
Bro me and my mate from gym had a huge argument about this last night i said underhook and he said cross face thank u i now need to show him this.
Haha definitely gotta show him this
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I mean…it’s situational, and I’d argue there are more situations where cross face is more effective.
Clearly if you can get that deep of an under hook, where his arm is fully ineffective, sure it’s “better”. However, getting a shallow under hook, where he can still clinch onto you, especially if you’re the smaller man, can get u swept.
Like so many things in grappling, there are many variables that determine the true answer.
@SilentSamurai8 Yeah I agree but I do still like an underhook more
Watch the analysis that Nicky Ryan’s brother did about his match here on RUclips
I'm at the point I maintain top position against people my belt or one above often, these tips like this only help maintain further.
Insightful as always.
Gordon mentioned this about their match. He deliberately let Josh re-guard many times simply to stay in the camping position and make Josh work by having to continuously lift him and/or carry his weight. Smart move because Josh is most likely stronger and more athletic than Gordon. Gassing him out made Gordon's technique more effective later in the match.
ruclips.net/video/qG-8xEz2MHo/видео.htmlsi=jTQWL9OVqQDaYiQD&t=255
Gordon does talk about not having issues with being re half guarded as long as it's on his terms. Check out his instructionals for that. He wants bottom guys to have to fight to stay in the same step or two steps as that is more tiring. He will solidify position when he's ready for the next step in his process
Yepp for sure. Not critisizing but just using an example 🙂
I agree BUT something totally overlooked about our go-to techniques in grappling - because "We are not in boxing here boy !" - is the size of the arm (length, thickness), I think. Same thing when performing body triangle and the size of our legs
I do like this, however, I strongly prefer the crossface as I find it more effective in keeping me on top. The re-guard can work, but if anything, it puts me in a perfectly set up knee cut, and I do like making my opponents push against heavy hips to tire out. The wedge of his shoulder stops him from extending me too far down, whereas with double unders, i feel a strong bridge coupled with a pull down of the elbows gets me too far down their body, allowing for a re-guard into closed guard (which requires a full reset on my part). Double unders are for mount imo.
To be fair, the crossface relies on the pressure of the same side hip securing the position. Danaher has taught this in his half guard instructional and points out the issue of not bringing the same side hip to the crossface elbow stating that it will cause separation in the connection. Otherwise awesome video!😊
you can combine the cross face and near side underhook. it won't be pleasant for opponent but it is effective
But know you're having having to fight to keep two underhooks.
Great 👍
As an immediate control I’d go for cross face all day. Nobody is just going to allow you to have that deep of an underhook, it’s something you’d have to fight for and in the process you could quite easily lose them through the far side. Whereas the cross face is almost guaranteed. The opponent fighting the leg whilst under the mount position isn’t that difficult to prevent. It can easily be mitigated by isolating the far arm for a head and arm finish
so underhook both sides?
Yes
You can also drop your hips on the hand. If they have their open hand(not first) in your hip and you drop your hip on the hand it will be really painful for them.
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I watched a video of Gordon Ryan about his match against Josh and he said in the video that he let Josh get his guard back on purpose. It was part of his strategy to wear him out with pressure before getting the submission.
harder to get the near side underhook
It's not supposed to be easy though
gordon does this on purpose as he's openly said a few times that he's ok with his opponent expending lots of energy to not really get anywhere of value since part of his game plan is to tire opponent out
Ya for sure. Just using it as an example 🙂
Yea but how would you address his ability to move his head?
Use your head, literally
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What do u mean use your head? Like head butt him in the nose?
By placing your head on the other side of the close-side underhook. This way you can use your shoulder to put pressure on the chin
Ok i feel like its personal preference. A good cross face is unstoppable. Ill have to try it out and see.
To be fair, Gordon says double unders are best for half guard passing. There could be many reason why he didn’t utilize it in that match.
His hierarchy is:
1: Double unders
2: Far side underhook, near side overhook, and a near side headblock
3: Far side underhook with a near side headblock
4: Near side underhook
5: Cross face and underhook (top head and arm)
6: Crossface only
I want to see jordan vs ryan. I think jordan actually has a legit chance!