I've always told my kids to let fevers do their work. We are always so quick to take a pill to get rid of the 'symptom'. Well, I always thought of the temperature as a way to 'kill' the bug that was infecting you. Oh, and I never let it go past 102. Dang, I actually had something right. Yay for me!
I remember people saying I was crazy for “sweating out” sickness when I was younger. It usually seemed to work though. Uncomfortable for a night but worth it
I'm from Hong Kong, back in the 60's when I was a kid, my mom will make us sweat, not allowing our arms out of the comforter, and the fever went down in couple of days. But arriving in Canada, is the opposite, they tell u to wear less, rub with alcohol...I still do the old way I was taught.
I was a CCRN in pediatric intensive care for 33 years. In that entire time we didn't give Tylenol until the temp reached 38.5 UNLESS the child had a recent Hx of febrile Sz.
Really wanna see you talk about H. Pylori at some point! Given its resilience due to growing antibiotic resistance, it’s definitely set to be a relevant problem in the upcoming years following covid.
Another excellent video Doc that I am sending off to my cousin (M.D.) for viewing. Whenever I had a fever as a child, I can remember the doctor telling my Father "it's just a fever, don't worry he will be fine". That was a long time ago! 👍👍
Dr. Seheult discusses the benefits of fever in fighting viral infections, explaining how elevated body temperature enhances immune response and antiviral gene expression. He questions the common practice of treating low-grade fevers, suggesting potential benefits of allowing fever up to 102.2°F.
Unrelated question: Considering Trump’s ordering a ban on Health Agencies on sharing info on the Bird Flu and halting scientific publications on the Bird Flu as well as leaving the WHO, can you still help us stay up to date on the Bird Flu? Your info during the early stages of COVID protected my entire family. Forewarned is forearmed. Please tell us that you can keep us updated…..
The problem is, I am completely incapacitated by even a low fever, I will be curled up in a ball shivering violently at 100.5. So I immediately dose with ibuprofen. I know some people can walk around fine with relatively high fevers, good for them, but I"m not suffering with even a low fever when I can feel so much better with ibuprofen.
Ever since I started just bundling up and sweating out fevers (2006, Army AIT, got sick on a Friday and was able to be back to train on Monday), I've gotten better, faster.
My normal body temp is 97 or lower, so I feel pretty miserable when I get up to 100. I usually try to let it run but cool myself down with cool showers and towels to get some relief.
Fabulous video. More doctors and people and general need to understand this. I really feel like treating fever so aggressively is going to be one of those things we look back on in a few decades and wonder what in the world we were thinking. I hope more studies are done. As you said, there is a threshold where treating it is critical and everyone should always go to the doctor whenever possible when running a fever over 100 degrees, but letting a healthy fever ride is just the body doing its best work in clearing infections. I would like to see studies in the future on if treating fever aggressively in childhood has any impact on immune dysfunction later in life and lay some additional light on the triggers of "1st world diseases" like wide spread allergies.
Thank you, as a western medicine doctor talking about this. Interesting data very validating. I have never taken meds to lower my tempurature. If anything I get into a blanket and sweat it out more. It's my body's innate wisdom healing itself. To me this is so much of what western medicine gets wrong. Our bodies are amazing and know how to balance and heal themselves mostly.
You’d likely be better served to take a 1/2 teaspoon of pink salt in 10-16 oz of warm to hot water on an empty stomach and give it 20-30 min before any food
I had a fever two years ago when I was on a cruise ship. I normally have 96.0 to 96.5 body temperature. I took my temperature because I was absolutely shaking freezing. My temperature was 101. I had no clue what was wrong with me. The only thing I knew is, I had an extreme headache, my head was just pounding. I did take a baby aspirin when I would be up which was every 4 to 6 hours. I was afraid I was going to explode. The pain was so bad. I did gargle with peroxide. I actually clean my ears with peroxide and a Q-tip. I put peroxide in my nose. I put essential oils all over my body and I slept on and off for two full days. Drinking only water everytime I woke. When I woke up the third day, I was fine. I felt like I was a little beaten up. Finally my temperature went down at that moment to 97. Which I realize was still a slight fever for me, I checked hours later and my temperature went down to my normal 96.5. I had a large mass/lesion on my forehead that several dermatologist wanted to do surgery on. That mass/lesion had disappeared when I woke up on that third day. 😮😮😮😮👍
Many years ago after reading that fever was the body's natural way of fighting an infection I decided not to fight a fever unless my fever got very high, so maybe I was right.
I've only had COVID once. I had a fever of 104.2. They kept in the hospital, but mostly to observe me because they were concerned that the fever would rise further or there would be complications. It felt terrible to have a fever like that, but I do think that because it wasn't treated, it helped me get better faster
I have never understood why so many American doctors treat low grade fevers, it is against the practice of all my medical literature including my American books. Is it some sort of Lutheran "get back to work" practice or what?
When the mandates required temperature checks before walking into your workplace, they were highly concerned with a temp of 100°F, so that may be part of it.
Ran 102-104 for 4 days with Covid-19 and had double pneumonia and I let it run its course for the most part. At 1 point I did take meds to bring it back to 103. Day 5 got in natural sun light, lots and lots of water and rest and broke the fever. Did it suck, YES...was I miserable, YES! But 02 was 90 and heart rate 100-110 resting. So I believe a fever is a good thing up to a certain point.
Now we know that being in sunlight can help with illness, so it's possible that if you had tried sun before the 5 day mark, then you might have not had it for that long, and if you regularly had it before then, who knows, perhaps this would have been minor.
@Virusskeptic-d3z glad you said that. I had a friend that would get the worst colds and flu and I kid you not he would force us to take him out and get in the sun. Im talking mid summer, dead heat and he would lay on the ground (skateboard park) while we skateboard 🛹 and we would look over to make sure he was alive. Next day he almost be recovered. He would have a fever and everything and when I asked why are you going out with us he said he needed to be in the sun? Now it makes sense
@@kevinmarcus465 this doc has a video on the sun. Basically, if you can get 15 minutes of sun (at a minimum) each day, it should reduce chance of developing any health problems. It's that good.
Wow! So incredibly important!! Thanks for raising more awareness about this. I also wonder if there are widespread baseline immune deficits of a large unhealthy population who is now often living at 36.5C (97.7F) rather than 37. The mainstream view seems to be that human physiology has just changed and that's now perfectly normal, I really question that view. Are you guys aware of any research on this?
My friends and I debated the value of post vaccine fever. Does fever in the day after a vaccination, itself, teach the body anything? Also, about fever discomfort -- when I was a younger adult, I was weak and found fevers felt bone-breaking. As I built strength, they merely felt more like I'd overdone a workout the day before.
Chinese doctors recommend drink more water and dress warmly even when you have fever. They said sweating can expel the bad stuff. I thought this is due to cooling effect of sweating but turns out it may be more than just physics.
The U.K. guidelines are not to use antipyretics to treat fever by itself but are not contraindicated if there’s discomfort alongside the fever. This applies to all age groups. Fever is an indication that there’s a strong immune response.
The last time I had a fever, I was conflicted about treating it because I was also pregnant. I didn't want to harm my child with high temps. We are always told to avoid hot baths and overheating the baby, so I was really scared. Luckily it was a mild illness and the illness subsided quickly. I think it was the flu, but it was mild because I was vaccinated.
I've had this approach to fever reduction my whole life. I give immune system best chance to fight infection and treat fever only after it gets into range above 38.7º range. Also, I treat comfort issues below that by a lukewarm or colder water showers only.
I guess the question is if the beneficial effects of NOT treating the fever outweighs the symptomatic benefits of taking acetaminophen? Is it worth being sick one less day if I'm even more miserable the entire time because aches/pains/headaches are even worse? Is there a good alternative for symptoms that won't decrease body temp, such as tramadol?
Meanwhile, in hospitals across the United States, the buildings , including emergency departments and all patient rooms are kept at freezing temperatures. Patients who are unconscious on ventilators , who obviously cannot advocate for themselves, are dressed in flimsy gowns and BARELY covered by thin blankets. Staff is always eager to medicate a fever for all patients, along with removing blankets, especially with CHILDREN. These nurses and doctors are ignorant and are causing much suffering and de@th by these practices. I'd wager MANY of the de@ths caused by sarscov2 in hospital were a direct consequence of this madness.
They still keep hospitals cold saying it’s stop’s infection and virus spreading. That is why you must keep asking for blankets. I have no idea if really works keeping hospitals so cold!
At some Covid19 patients I detected cold agglutination syndrom. At this patients must avoid to decrease body and lung temperature ,to avoid erytocite aggregation at low blood temperature. Because at finger level blood temperature can decrease,must warm hand at 38-39C to have a reel oxigen saturation. At patients with cold agglutination syndrom,by cold agglutinine or by cryoglobuline ( IgM) must use only warmed oxigen mix.
In pandemic I worked like emergency medic on ambulance, in Făget România. At some Covid19 patients with low oxigen saturation I warmed water in barbotor to increase oxigen temperature. And IT worked ,but only If oxigen have 37 C.(98F). Also at TWiV 659 at min29 german virologist Christian Drosten indicate that SARS COV2 was a temperature sensitive virus. Theoretically warmed oxigen mix can also mitigate SARS COV2 replication.
I let the fever be for a few days of illness but decided to drop it before sleep when the body aches became impossible to tolerate. The mattress felt like it was a torture device. Btw sleep is also important for recovery. Wonder to see the stats on that.
I'm not anti-taking medicine 100%, let's work on getting these ooc medicines banned, but definitely when the fever is 100°, and I know how common giving kids medicine is when they have 100° fevers. If they can still run around, they're fine. Then there's how cold medicine treats other symptoms. It's been a while since I've been sick with a fever, but I'd say if the temperature hits 101° and you can't get out of bed, go ahead, but of course, that doesn't mean running around rather than rest. Now with the research on pneumonia and covid, it's clear a higher fever is good.
It seems that the average "normal" temperature for humans has been declining over the decades. I wonder how that affects the thresholds for where the different gene expression effects occur. Have they shifted as well?
My daughter just got over being sick for about a week, and her fever got up to 105.3. I gave her just enough tylenol and motrin to bring it down to a more reasonable temperature like 102-103. It was odd though that even when she was at a 105 fever she seemed okay considering how high it was. I run high fevers too but when I hit 104 I am absolutely miserable.
This makes me wonder whether giving kids Tylenol for fevers might cause their adaptive immune system to get hyper-activated in order to compensate, possibly explaining the rise in food allergies as countries become more developed.
I used to feel wonderful when a fever broke. Then had Lyme and it feels like the lyme bugs killed my ability to run a fever. Covid got me to 100.5 for a half day, which didn't feel like enough. Do viruses attack fever call?
I always believed that our fever is a natural response and that suppressing it was counter productive... when I am sick I let it ride until I am very uncomfortable.. I might have a warm shower at that point and it seems to help.
It's perhaps ironic that I have been doing the right thing but for the wrong reason. I didn't treat my fever but increased bedcovers because my belief was that the virus was unable to withstand the higher temperature and therefore it was killed off (not by a more powerful immune response but just because it couldn't withstand the higher temperature). I assume that this theory is simply not true?
This is fascinating and you made very complex findings easy to understand. Question: I have a low body temperature (as did my father). Often 96.2, a few times in my 20s at 95. How does this info translate for people with naturally low body temp?
1. Hasn’t the “normal” body temperature been reduced to ~ 97.6? 2. As it turns out I usually don’t take meds for fever until my fever is >102, cuz by then I am feeling pretty crappy. I usually don’t get sick for a long time (I’ll get a cold for two days…my wife will be sick for 2 weeks) 3. Has hyperthermia (~sauna +) Rx been tried with any other infections?
Dr. Sehuelt, considering your research about the health benefits of sun light, more specifically near infrared light, could there be a connection between sunlight and high outdoor temperatures during the summer months, in terms of prevalence of illness, severity and duration? It seems people’s body temps would naturally be higher during the warmer months if it’s >90 degrees outside. Could that aid the immune system response, resulting in a reduction of illness and severity? Just a thought I had. Love your videos. I’m glad you are sharing your knowledge with the world. We need medical science more than ever right now. 😊
I am wondering if it is the heat itself that CAUSES the rise of the anti-viral genes, or is the heat a RESULT of the increase in the amount of anti-viral genes. Back to the Chicken and egg?
The Mayo Clinic said a woman’s body temperature raises 1-3 degrees during a hot flash. Personally I agree. Does this have any connection to the overall subjects discussed in this video? I rarely get sick. Just curious.
Do we know if the cytokine response is different whether treating or not with Tylenol? We know that the cytokine storm is most troubling with at least Covid.
I run cooler too. Everything known about humans is averaged. There will be people running hotter and those that will run cooler. Unless it's extreme and consistent, you should be fine as this is simply your natural base temp. Eat healthy, get enough sleep and minimize stress and you should do well.
I take paracetemol. I'm not sure if Tylenol is available here in this country. I cannot take aspirin because of chemical sensitivities. I am older than most in this group :-) so I go to bed in my dressing gown . Ifeel so cold I put on more blankets ans go to sleep. We have had vaccinations now against diphtheria and whooping cough .in New Zealand added to anti tetanus vaccination as a matter of course.
What is the age range of this study? Im wondering if and how this may vary in pediatric and geriatric patients? I see this study is specific in viral infection but for bacterial infection and or sepsis would if be safe and yeild similar results. I would assume so but I really dont know.
Years ago when I worked nights on a pediatric hem-onc unit we responded to any temperature above 38.5 C as a fever. We did a blood draw for a C&S and then gave Tylenol to bring the fever down. That was not questioned. Given that our chemotherapy for leukemia had blown away their immune system, we took every infection seriously. On days our specialist would prescribe two wide-spectrum antibiotics until that C&S came back and a specific antibiotic could be applied. In most cases that was enough. It was the failures that were depressing. One little boy died in our ICU from an infection just a few hours before his C&S came back. His infection fell in a narrow zone between the two antibiotics he was being given.
A sauna is really good! Here where I live (The Netherlands), there are plenty of public sauna's around. But I've got no clue if there are sauna's in the US. Anyone any idea?
When I was a teenager I had a high fever. I went to a kitchen cabinet and took a small bottle of whiskey and made a cup of hot tea. Put the whiskey in the tea. Drank it. Covered up with about 3 blankets. Fell asleep and sweat like a pig. When I woke up I felt like I could run a marathon.
This was a tremendous video, but - can it not be objected that the studies temp response were all based on mouse models, is there really no data from humans? Appreciate anyones thoughts, seems like it would be a fairly easy thing to check.
Exactly fever is medicine! Bcs when we infected with flue or common cold in cold &cool climate we just rush to dry very hot climate witch is 30 km away down hill , our symptoms deminshid with in minute to hours here in diredawa, east Ethiopia
I and meny others anecdotally do not get ill when on ADD-meds such as vyvanse, and I've heard the same about amphetamine users. If this anecdotal evidence is true, I wonder if it's related to the slight increase in body temperature from these substances.
What is your position on the Roman Catholic Church dictating commercial pharmaceutical poorly studied gene sequence based injections with indemnification???
I have good memories bout being sick and having fever. Immediat in bed with extra blankets and mom tucked it in on all sides and she gave a big cup warm water with a some citron and stuf and I thenk she had also some alcohol in it, to make us stay in bed and enjoy it Gota get the blood pumping
In Russia we have a number of drugs - inducers of interferon production. Keeping a high temperature as a source of interferons is like driving a steam car when you already have a Tesla. Are there no drugs from the group of interferon inducers in the USA?
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I've always told my kids to let fevers do their work. We are always so quick to take a pill to get rid of the 'symptom'. Well, I always thought of the temperature as a way to 'kill' the bug that was infecting you. Oh, and I never let it go past 102. Dang, I actually had something right. Yay for me!
You should allow it to go 104, then treat. Stopping at 102 is reducing innate system effects.
If it is her children, she can let their fever go to as high as 108 degrees.
17:10 - fever study conclusion
19:27 - negative effects of hyperthermia
20:00 - opinion
I remember people saying I was crazy for “sweating out” sickness when I was younger. It usually seemed to work though. Uncomfortable for a night but worth it
I'm from Hong Kong, back in the 60's when I was a kid, my mom will make us sweat, not allowing our arms out of the comforter, and the fever went down in couple of days. But arriving in Canada, is the opposite, they tell u to wear less, rub with alcohol...I still do the old way I was taught.
I was a CCRN in pediatric intensive care for 33 years. In that entire time we didn't give Tylenol until the temp reached 38.5 UNLESS the child had a recent Hx of febrile Sz.
That was a great paper to go through. Thank you!
My son has Dravet Syndrome. A fever for him is absolutely a seizure trigger.
I'm just a grandmother.
Yes I find this very interesting and informative
Thank you for sharing
Let my fever work for me last time I got the flu, Jan 2019. Resolved in 36 hrs. That and 20 yrs of flu vaccination lol
That’s not how vaccination works.
Thanks so much for these videos, been watching the past 4yrs ago and I've learned so much from your videos. Keep up the great work you're doing!
Really wanna see you talk about H. Pylori at some point! Given its resilience due to growing antibiotic resistance, it’s definitely set to be a relevant problem in the upcoming years following covid.
Another excellent video Doc that I am sending off to my cousin (M.D.) for viewing. Whenever I had a fever as a child, I can remember the doctor telling my Father "it's just a fever, don't worry he will be fine". That was a long time ago! 👍👍
32deg no wind and sunny in East Tenn. Took my 20 minute walk to support my immune system....
A little sun goes a long way ...🌞
Dr. Seheult discusses the benefits of fever in fighting viral infections, explaining how elevated body temperature enhances immune response and antiviral gene expression. He questions the common practice of treating low-grade fevers, suggesting potential benefits of allowing fever up to 102.2°F.
The elevated temperature is a symptom of the inflammatory phase of the immune system response, along with tiredness, lack of appetite.
If you're getting a fever your body wants to be hot to fight the infection. Let it.
Dr. Stephen Hoption Cann at the University of British Columbia has done excellent research regarding this topic.
Unrelated question:
Considering Trump’s ordering a ban on Health Agencies on sharing info on the Bird Flu and halting scientific publications on the Bird Flu as well as leaving the WHO, can you still help us stay up to date on the Bird Flu?
Your info during the early stages of COVID protected my entire family. Forewarned is forearmed.
Please tell us that you can keep us updated…..
🫡
The problem is, I am completely incapacitated by even a low fever, I will be curled up in a ball shivering violently at 100.5. So I immediately dose with ibuprofen. I know some people can walk around fine with relatively high fevers, good for them, but I"m not suffering with even a low fever when I can feel so much better with ibuprofen.
Ever since I started just bundling up and sweating out fevers (2006, Army AIT, got sick on a Friday and was able to be back to train on Monday), I've gotten better, faster.
Just can't do, I hurt all over so bad even at 100°F ,I am SO uncomfortable., I would get no rest at all !😪
My normal body temp is 97 or lower, so I feel pretty miserable when I get up to 100. I usually try to let it run but cool myself down with cool showers and towels to get some relief.
Fabulous video. More doctors and people and general need to understand this. I really feel like treating fever so aggressively is going to be one of those things we look back on in a few decades and wonder what in the world we were thinking. I hope more studies are done. As you said, there is a threshold where treating it is critical and everyone should always go to the doctor whenever possible when running a fever over 100 degrees, but letting a healthy fever ride is just the body doing its best work in clearing infections. I would like to see studies in the future on if treating fever aggressively in childhood has any impact on immune dysfunction later in life and lay some additional light on the triggers of "1st world diseases" like wide spread allergies.
It does raise the possibility that exercise improves your health in part through the temporary increase in body temp that boosts immune function.
Likely part of it.
Thank you, doctor, for this update. You are a true gem and blessing to us all. God bless you.
Thank you, as a western medicine doctor talking about this. Interesting data very validating. I have never taken meds to lower my tempurature. If anything I get into a blanket and sweat it out more. It's my body's innate wisdom healing itself. To me this is so much of what western medicine gets wrong. Our bodies are amazing and know how to balance and heal themselves mostly.
Aspirin that lowers my fever is not as important as getting rid of the throbbing headache.
You’d likely be better served to take a 1/2 teaspoon of pink salt in 10-16 oz of warm to hot water on an empty stomach and give it 20-30 min before any food
I had a fever two years ago when I was on a cruise ship. I normally have 96.0 to 96.5 body temperature. I took my temperature because I was absolutely shaking freezing. My temperature was 101. I had no clue what was wrong with me. The only thing I knew is, I had an extreme headache, my head was just pounding. I did take a baby aspirin when I would be up which was every 4 to 6 hours. I was afraid I was going to explode. The pain was so bad. I did gargle with peroxide. I actually clean my ears with peroxide and a Q-tip. I put peroxide in my nose. I put essential oils all over my body and I slept on and off for two full days. Drinking only water everytime I woke. When I woke up the third day, I was fine. I felt like I was a little beaten up. Finally my temperature went down at that moment to 97. Which I realize was still a slight fever for me, I checked hours later and my temperature went down to my normal 96.5. I had a large mass/lesion on my forehead that several dermatologist wanted to do surgery on. That mass/lesion had disappeared when I woke up on that third day. 😮😮😮😮👍
Many years ago after reading that fever was the body's natural way of fighting an infection I decided not to fight a fever unless my fever got very high, so maybe I was right.
This is great information.
To have a good quality of terrain and maintain it is necessary for health and wellness.
I've only had COVID once. I had a fever of 104.2. They kept in the hospital, but mostly to observe me because they were concerned that the fever would rise further or there would be complications. It felt terrible to have a fever like that, but I do think that because it wasn't treated, it helped me get better faster
People with a fever generally feel cold and they typically want more blankets and want to be warmer. The body is intelligent.
I have never understood why so many American doctors treat low grade fevers, it is against the practice of all my medical literature including my American books. Is it some sort of Lutheran "get back to work" practice or what?
When the mandates required temperature checks before walking into your workplace, they were highly concerned with a temp of 100°F, so that may be part of it.
Ran 102-104 for 4 days with Covid-19 and had double pneumonia and I let it run its course for the most part. At 1 point I did take meds to bring it back to 103. Day 5 got in natural sun light, lots and lots of water and rest and broke the fever. Did it suck, YES...was I miserable, YES! But 02 was 90 and heart rate 100-110 resting. So I believe a fever is a good thing up to a certain point.
Now we know that being in sunlight can help with illness, so it's possible that if you had tried sun before the 5 day mark, then you might have not had it for that long, and if you regularly had it before then, who knows, perhaps this would have been minor.
@Virusskeptic-d3z glad you said that. I had a friend that would get the worst colds and flu and I kid you not he would force us to take him out and get in the sun. Im talking mid summer, dead heat and he would lay on the ground (skateboard park) while we skateboard 🛹 and we would look over to make sure he was alive. Next day he almost be recovered. He would have a fever and everything and when I asked why are you going out with us he said he needed to be in the sun? Now it makes sense
@@kevinmarcus465 this doc has a video on the sun. Basically, if you can get 15 minutes of sun (at a minimum) each day, it should reduce chance of developing any health problems. It's that good.
Sound advice and all taken on board, thank you.
Wow! So incredibly important!! Thanks for raising more awareness about this.
I also wonder if there are widespread baseline immune deficits of a large unhealthy population who is now often living at 36.5C (97.7F) rather than 37. The mainstream view seems to be that human physiology has just changed and that's now perfectly normal, I really question that view. Are you guys aware of any research on this?
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Great video
Glad you enjoyed it
Thank you, it does make sense!
You're welcome!
My friends and I debated the value of post vaccine fever. Does fever in the day after a vaccination, itself, teach the body anything? Also, about fever discomfort -- when I was a younger adult, I was weak and found fevers felt bone-breaking. As I built strength, they merely felt more like I'd overdone a workout the day before.
Wow, fascinating. Thanks!
Chinese doctors recommend drink more water and dress warmly even when you have fever. They said sweating can expel the bad stuff. I thought this is due to cooling effect of sweating but turns out it may be more than just physics.
With my fever hit a 105 I thought I'd better do something before I cooked myself. One Tylenol and my 3 day rising fever broke.
The U.K. guidelines are not to use antipyretics to treat fever by itself but are not contraindicated if there’s discomfort alongside the fever. This applies to all age groups. Fever is an indication that there’s a strong immune response.
It's simply detox.
Where can Saunas fit in this?
Another fantastic video! I rarely have a fever or illness of any kind but I let it run its course. Maybe why I rarely have anything
last time i had flu was the last time i got a flu shot in 1989.
only vaccine i ever get is Tetanus every 12 years or so.
Thanks!
The last time I had a fever, I was conflicted about treating it because I was also pregnant. I didn't want to harm my child with high temps. We are always told to avoid hot baths and overheating the baby, so I was really scared. Luckily it was a mild illness and the illness subsided quickly. I think it was the flu, but it was mild because I was vaccinated.
I've had this approach to fever reduction my whole life. I give immune system best chance to fight infection and treat fever only after it gets into range above 38.7º range. Also, I treat comfort issues below that by a lukewarm or colder water showers only.
I guess the question is if the beneficial effects of NOT treating the fever outweighs the symptomatic benefits of taking acetaminophen? Is it worth being sick one less day if I'm even more miserable the entire time because aches/pains/headaches are even worse? Is there a good alternative for symptoms that won't decrease body temp, such as tramadol?
Could soaking in a hot tub help you when you have the flu provided you enjoy the hot tub for this purpose?
If it increases your body temp then yes.
Great video! 👍🏻
Meanwhile, in hospitals across the United States, the buildings , including emergency departments and all patient rooms are kept at freezing temperatures. Patients who are unconscious on ventilators , who obviously cannot advocate for themselves, are dressed in flimsy gowns and BARELY covered by thin blankets. Staff is always eager to medicate a fever for all patients, along with removing blankets, especially with CHILDREN. These nurses and doctors are ignorant and are causing much suffering and de@th by these practices. I'd wager MANY of the de@ths caused by sarscov2 in hospital were a direct consequence of this madness.
They still keep hospitals cold saying it’s stop’s infection and virus spreading. That is why you must keep asking for blankets. I have no idea if really works keeping hospitals so cold!
Sc2 has been re futed
The hospital I worked at had individual thermostats so patients could control temp. The elderly seem to keep their rooms very warm.
@@Crowmother13 one thing I think they could try is to have the temp be of around 68 °F and a humidifier on in each room.
At some Covid19 patients I detected cold agglutination syndrom.
At this patients must avoid to decrease body and lung temperature ,to avoid erytocite aggregation at low blood temperature.
Because at finger level blood temperature can decrease,must warm hand at 38-39C to have a reel oxigen saturation.
At patients with cold agglutination syndrom,by cold agglutinine or by cryoglobuline ( IgM) must use only warmed oxigen mix.
In pandemic I worked like emergency medic on ambulance, in Făget România.
At some Covid19 patients with low oxigen saturation I warmed water in barbotor to increase oxigen temperature.
And IT worked ,but only If oxigen have 37 C.(98F).
Also at TWiV 659 at min29 german virologist Christian Drosten indicate that SARS COV2 was a temperature sensitive virus.
Theoretically warmed oxigen mix can also mitigate SARS COV2 replication.
I let the fever be for a few days of illness but decided to drop it before sleep when the body aches became impossible to tolerate. The mattress felt like it was a torture device.
Btw sleep is also important for recovery. Wonder to see the stats on that.
I'm not anti-taking medicine 100%, let's work on getting these ooc medicines banned, but definitely when the fever is 100°, and I know how common giving kids medicine is when they have 100° fevers. If they can still run around, they're fine. Then there's how cold medicine treats other symptoms. It's been a while since I've been sick with a fever, but I'd say if the temperature hits 101° and you can't get out of bed, go ahead, but of course, that doesn't mean running around rather than rest.
Now with the research on pneumonia and covid, it's clear a higher fever is good.
It seems that the average "normal" temperature for humans has been declining over the decades. I wonder how that affects the thresholds for where the different gene expression effects occur. Have they shifted as well?
My daughter just got over being sick for about a week, and her fever got up to 105.3. I gave her just enough tylenol and motrin to bring it down to a more reasonable temperature like 102-103. It was odd though that even when she was at a 105 fever she seemed okay considering how high it was. I run high fevers too but when I hit 104 I am absolutely miserable.
This makes me wonder whether giving kids Tylenol for fevers might cause their adaptive immune system to get hyper-activated in order to compensate, possibly explaining the rise in food allergies as countries become more developed.
I used to feel wonderful when a fever broke. Then had Lyme and it feels like the lyme bugs killed my ability to run a fever. Covid got me to 100.5 for a half day, which didn't feel like enough. Do viruses attack fever call?
I get pretty tachy now when I get a fever. What's the balance in treating?
I always believed that our fever is a natural response and that suppressing it was counter productive...
when I am sick I let it ride until I am very uncomfortable.. I might have a warm shower at that point and it seems to help.
It's perhaps ironic that I have been doing the right thing but for the wrong reason. I didn't treat my fever but increased bedcovers because my belief was that the virus was unable to withstand the higher temperature and therefore it was killed off (not by a more powerful immune response but just because it couldn't withstand the higher temperature). I assume that this theory is simply not true?
Both are true.
I wonder if this is the reason exercise helps the immune system?
What implications does this have for deliberately raising body temperature using a sauna or by exercise?
Are these thresholds for in ear temperature?
This is fascinating and you made very complex findings easy to understand.
Question: I have a low body temperature (as did my father). Often 96.2, a few times in my 20s at 95. How does this info translate for people with naturally low body temp?
1. Hasn’t the “normal” body temperature been reduced to ~ 97.6?
2. As it turns out I usually don’t take meds for fever until my fever is >102, cuz by then I am feeling pretty crappy. I usually don’t get sick for a long time (I’ll get a cold for two days…my wife will be sick for 2 weeks)
3. Has hyperthermia (~sauna +) Rx been tried with any other infections?
Some studies say average normal/healthy body temperature has gone down over the past 100 years. Does that affect what range you call a fever?
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When do you treat a neutropenic fever ?
Would fever benefit still hold for bacterial pneumonia?
Dr. Sehuelt, considering your research about the health benefits of sun light, more specifically near infrared light, could there be a connection between sunlight and high outdoor temperatures during the summer months, in terms of prevalence of illness, severity and duration? It seems people’s body temps would naturally be higher during the warmer months if it’s >90 degrees outside. Could that aid the immune system response, resulting in a reduction of illness and severity? Just a thought I had. Love your videos. I’m glad you are sharing your knowledge with the world. We need medical science more than ever right now. 😊
It’s possible.
I am wondering if it is the heat itself that CAUSES the rise of the anti-viral genes, or is the heat a RESULT of the increase in the amount of anti-viral genes. Back to the Chicken and egg?
The Mayo Clinic said a woman’s body temperature raises 1-3 degrees during a hot flash. Personally I agree. Does this have any connection to the overall subjects discussed in this video? I rarely get sick. Just curious.
Would all increases in body temperature produce these effects ? Exercise, sauna etc..
Do we know if the cytokine response is different whether treating or not with Tylenol? We know that the cytokine storm is most troubling with at least Covid.
My normal temperature is 97.6 since I was a child. Can you tell me why? Thanks
I run cooler too. Everything known about humans is averaged. There will be people running hotter and those that will run cooler. Unless it's extreme and consistent, you should be fine as this is simply your natural base temp. Eat healthy, get enough sleep and minimize stress and you should do well.
Are there any studies showing people with CA present with slightly high temp before diagnosis?
I take paracetemol. I'm not sure if Tylenol is available here in this country. I cannot take aspirin because of chemical sensitivities. I am older than most in this group :-) so I go to bed in my dressing gown . Ifeel so cold I put on more blankets ans go to sleep. We have had vaccinations now against diphtheria and whooping cough .in New Zealand added to anti tetanus vaccination as a matter of course.
What is the age range of this study? Im wondering if and how this may vary in pediatric and geriatric patients? I see this study is specific in viral infection but for bacterial infection and or sepsis would if be safe and yeild similar results. I would assume so but I really dont know.
Nevermind you answered my questions 😂😂😂 of course 🙄
Years ago when I worked nights on a pediatric hem-onc unit we responded to any temperature above 38.5 C as a fever. We did a blood draw for a C&S and then gave Tylenol to bring the fever down. That was not questioned.
Given that our chemotherapy for leukemia had blown away their immune system, we took every infection seriously. On days our specialist would prescribe two wide-spectrum antibiotics until that C&S came back and a specific antibiotic could be applied. In most cases that was enough.
It was the failures that were depressing. One little boy died in our ICU from an infection just a few hours before his C&S came back. His infection fell in a narrow zone between the two antibiotics he was being given.
A sauna is really good! Here where I live (The Netherlands), there are plenty of public sauna's around. But I've got no clue if there are sauna's in the US. Anyone any idea?
How does the current 2024/2025 flu vaccine protect against the influenza variants we have active now? I got the Vaxigrip Tetra vaccine.
No need
When I was a teenager I had a high fever. I went to a kitchen cabinet and took a small bottle of whiskey and made a cup of hot tea. Put the whiskey in the tea. Drank it. Covered up with about 3 blankets. Fell asleep and sweat like a pig. When I woke up I felt like I could run a marathon.
God knew what He was doing when He created everything!
This was a tremendous video, but - can it not be objected that the studies temp response were all based on mouse models, is there really no data from humans? Appreciate anyones thoughts, seems like it would be a fairly easy thing to check.
The page at the end sited human studies.
Time to get the sauna warmed up for the flu season...
Does elevated core body temprature through prolonged and regular strenious exerciser have any benificial effects to your immune lymphocyte population.
Seems to as just the temp elevation can increase transcription.
Exactly fever is medicine!
Bcs when we infected with flue or common cold in cold &cool climate we just rush to dry very hot climate witch is 30 km away down hill , our symptoms deminshid with in minute to hours here in diredawa, east Ethiopia
I and meny others anecdotally do not get ill when on ADD-meds such as vyvanse, and I've heard the same about amphetamine users. If this anecdotal evidence is true, I wonder if it's related to the slight increase in body temperature from these substances.
What is your position on the Roman Catholic Church dictating commercial pharmaceutical poorly studied gene sequence based injections with indemnification???
The word “push” is used indiscriminately. If one simply debunks a myth associated with the vaccine it’s termed “vax pushing”
Yeah not so much.
100.4 is low grade or in the red ...I sleep let it be, see what happens....benefit is its fighting the pathogen
I have good memories bout being sick and having fever.
Immediat in bed with extra blankets and mom tucked it in on all sides
and she gave a big cup warm water with a some citron and stuf
and I thenk she had also some alcohol in it, to make us stay in bed and enjoy it
Gota get the blood pumping
In Russia we have a number of drugs - inducers of interferon production. Keeping a high temperature as a source of interferons is like driving a steam car when you already have a Tesla. Are there no drugs from the group of interferon inducers in the USA?
but why use any drugs when your body already makes a fever and thus interferon by itself
Doctors catching up with “conspiracy theorists” lol
The concept of v has been refuted.