@@gutczer8467you really thought you did something lol. Suppose you can place breath of the wild here then. Difference is those games are built with love and care
Loved the creativity they took in taking down the justice league. Flash shot to death with guns, green lantern killed with guns, Batman shot in the head with a gun, and Superman killed by getting shot to death by guns.
Remember when Rocksteady made the famous Mr Freeze boss fight, and be adapted to your strategies. Yeah, now you just get the fastest man alive using two moves. Thanks.
Yeah, I think the Mr Freeze from Arkham City is one of the best boss fights I've ever seen because it truly tests your knowledge of the game and doesn't allow you to cheese your way through it. I expected them to do the same during Batman's boss fight but instead you just activate a couple of generators and just shoot the big bat. That was such a pathetic boss fight.
Rocksteady was never good at boss fights tbh, with Mr.Freeze being the sole exception. In Asylum, all you did was throw a batarang at the big enemy, dodge, and then beat him down. In City they were all forgettable aside from Ra's and Freeze, and Knight was infamous for most boss battles being Batmobile sections. Ironically it was Origins that had the best fights, like Deathstroke, Bane, Firefly, and Deadshot (and of course Electrocutioner).
Green Lantern being mind-controlled (aka losing his will) and still having his ring, and being able to use his powers is very telling about people who were writing this game. Not even gonna mention the deaths of other characters.
@@gageunruh3574 not sure about alt universes, but this is what DC Wiki says about the Lantern ring weaknesses: - Mental Instability Protocol: Drug use, neural interference, vertigo or other forms of mental incapacitation can render the wearer unable to use their ring, rendered useless. I think being mindcontrolled falls under that.
@@nickkowak9628 dc wiki is extreamly unreliable especially since starro is able to mind control lanterns and they keep their rings and power and eclipso has taken over several green lanterns and had them build a force field around earth. Mind control does not shut off the ring or make it leave the user.
@@gageunruh3574 i'm not trying to argue with you, cuz my knowledge of green lantern is based scritcly on WB animation. It just seemed weird to me in game that's all.
Legit want to speak with the person/people who thought that a LOOTER SHOOTER was the best fit for a suicide squad game that's about killing the league.
@@Deathmare235 Ehh, not really. Power scaling is lame. We have comics where freaking Punisher Killed the whole marvel universe ect ect. Don't take it to serious. This game is still shit though
I mean it actually could've been kinda cool if they did it right. But unfortunately this game is filled with horrible missions, combat is mid, story sucks and just in general the devs messed up pretty much everything with this game. I honestly feel like this game was rushed or something especially since half the missions have you doing the same thing. Maybe that was the problem idk
The fact that this story takes place in the Arkhamverse really makes this game so much worse. If it was its own universe entirely, it'd still fall short of Rocksteady's quality in storytelling & gameplay, but it wouldn't be an insult to their legacy.
I agree. Now whenever I think about Batman from the Arkham series, I’m just gonna remember how painfully tragic his character was killed off in this fucking game
They did Batman dirty in this game. Imagine being excited by the epilogue of Arkham Knight after 120%ing your first play through, seeing him utilize the fear toxin in order to terrify criminals who think he’s dead, effectively immortalizing himself in their minds… just to see him get brainwashed by Brainiac, turned into a lame ass boss fight, and then be executed by Harley in the most uncharacteristic way possible. There are no tears from the audience (there aren’t meant to be since you’re supposed to route for Harley. Crazy, I know.), there is no emotional send off to this version of Batman, he’s just dead and you’re supposed to cheer for the Squad as they continue their quest to stop Brainiac. I’ve heard this joke before in other media, and it wasn’t funny the first time.
Might as well have brought Mark Hamill in because these jokes are diabolical. Arkham Batman got the perfect send off and they brought him back to get killed by the easiest villain he ever one punch KO'd.
@@undyne1 yeah, realistically Arkham Batman would never have been brainwashed. His entire character is based on strength of will. So many villains have tried to brainwash him before, or at least get in his head and make him afraid (like the Scarecrow) but they never could. I find it very hard to believe his biggest strength would just “disappear” like that 😂
@@alexeyeliseev6322Yep. Ironically I finished Like a Dragon 7 and Yakuza 6 like a month ago. Rn I am playing Arkham Knight again, alongside Sleeping Dogs 😁👍🏾
I love how every heroes who turn evil, their plot armors gone, even bullet manage to kill the justice league. Just be the good guy and nothing can't stop the hulkamaniaks
That’s how comics work in general though tbh. The endless cycle of a character suddenly losing their plot armor, dying, then being resurrected is typical comic fodder.
Weird thing is I saw the final boss cutscene and was like "Oh cool, he'll be a mashup of all the previous bosses"... and then he stayed as the Flash... for the entire fight...
I'm guessing he'll have the abilities of other heroes in other universes lol (there's 12 more braniacs in the multiverse that you'll have to hunt down in each season pass)
The most hilarious thing I've heard about the game so far is that "it was doomed the second Rocksteady thought the Suicide Squad could kill the Justice League." But it's true. The game would have actually been fun if it made you feel like cannon fodder against nearly impossible odds fighting the Justice League. Nearly scraping out wins by the tiniest imaginable margins with the help of Lexcorp gadgets reverse-engineered from alien tech or weird combinations of C and D-tier character abilities. Instead, it's just dull, unimaginative slop.
This one hundred percent I also add. Make each character feel more distinct with the exception of king shark. All the characters had same type of dialogue and way of talking. Even a character like Deadshot a professional just wouldn’t shut up. Nor really the team leader he’s supposed to be the straight man that keeps everyone in line. Like the animated version of him.
@@rances4418 It's clear that Rocksteady has little understanding of the characters and absolutely zero idea of how to use them appropriately in the game. It's simply a vehicle to cash in on the Suicide Squad intellectual property.
@@Y.T.STachi Flash unironically could snap all of SS neck at the same time while brewing his coffee from half across the world before these 4 clowns could open their mouth to start a joke. But instead he choose to become the Looney Toons Taz
Literally they kill the characters with the most disrespect, all these amazing superhero’s who have beaten everything in there way, and they get killed by bullets
I don't get why Warner Brothers are trying so hard for the Suicide Squad to become the next Guardians of the Galaxy. They just aren't even coming close to that quality.
@@gagothesour the fortnite ass building system is SO bad and the map is empty as hell so exploration is meaningless. It's literally just ark with a pokemon skin. I played for 5 hours and ended up playing Enshrouded instead.
I remember when people were hyped as hell for this game. Then the pause menu got leaked. All four of the Squad members had guns (Not just Deadshot, THE GUN GUY), there was a generic bar at the top with options like Loadout, there were icons for several different currencies... the writing was on the wall from the beginning that this was going to be a live service looter shooter with no care taken for the writing. Everyone could immediately tell from that one leaked screenshot that the game was not coming anywhere CLOSE to living up to the Arkham games, and they never even tried to damage control or try to tease something people might enjoy about it. Rocksteady knew they had shit on their hands, and they were just looking for someone to wipe it on.
@@donnyb2343 Because it's easy to just blind hate, Rockstar didn't want to make this and even if they did nobody wanted ot make a looter shooter, like this game could have still worked if everything was like King Shark writing wise and the traversal system gameplay wise, those are the only things in the game that are great
@@mariozappini7784blind hate? Not sure what you mean. People hate the game for being shit. Knowing the context of how that happened doesn't change anything
@@superjlk_9538 they completely underestimated the arkham fandoms undying love for this particular batman iteration. This game would still be shit and still be shit on by people even without the arkham name attached but because they canonized it within the arkham verse they have completely ruined all good will they had with fans. Huge misstep for them that they won't ever live down
Yea, I really don't understand this and giving it a 45%. Sure, "not as bad as people make it out to be" kinda just always fits no matter the subject when the subject is hated on the internet. This review, though, the only positives he said (I'm pretty sure) were that the movement is really great, and the combat system is fun for a couple hours. And I'm not even sure the second one is a positive. The rest of the review he talks about there being three mission types, most of them escorts, and the boss battles being horrendous with the story going completely off the rails. As an aside, I'd also like to point out that it's not just Flash's and the final boss, it's EVERY boss fight in this game that does this. Only a couple moves, dodge and wait for a weakspot to appear, shoot them some, repeat until they flop over like a fish. I'm not even angry like some people, I just don't understand how this video, with everything he said in it, led to a 45%. King Shark is fuckin dope, though. He's spot on there.
@@LordBigSlimeThe voice acting is pretty good, facial animations also really great, movement and combat is fun, but repetitive. That's it, it's a mid game, not good, not as bad as people make it to be, just a mid game that if it wasnt killing the batman ppl wouldnt even care this much
I think the reason why escort missions are used so much is because for the game developers, it’s the easiest thing to develop. You put the intended target to protect on a path from start to finish, give it a health bar and that’s it. The player then has to do all the work in protecting the target until the mission is complete.
I have a theory that Batman put all of the suicide squad in a dream state to see if all of the justice league becomes villains/brainwashed that they could rely on them to neutralize the justice league if it actually happens.
I think the implication is that with the chaos in the city they don't know anyone else is dead too, and the only reason they know about Batman is he had a protocol to send them word upon his death. Still super weird in practice but
“Rocksteady can make amazing games” No no,, the OLD rocksteady could make amazing games as we knew it. All senior leads left the studio and the new devs pump out this. Welcome to modern gaming.
I hate this "it's the devs" trope. A studio is more than its individual devs, it's also its culture and management. You can have great devs but shit culture and management that churn out bad games. Sometimes it's the culture that needs to change, what worked before won't work now but no one wants to change it because the old guys are still there sticking to it. Bioware was like this, they had a horrible Crunch problem and that was the case for their successful titles, but when the work became more complex with the Frostbite Engine they churned out stinkers like Anthem and Andromeda. It wasn't the fault of the devs, it was the fault of the management not being realistic and unwilling to change.
I think people didnt know Batman Knight is very very 6/10 in some THINGS Like the first Story is about Scarecrow and HUSH yet they fired the writer of Arkham City And also Deathstroke "Boss fight" is a joke 😂 I mean the rest of the Game is a 10 but when you THINK about some decisions or changes you know Rocksteady kinda fired all the good people or like the NPCs that are Workers of the game = THEY ARE DEAD
Modern gaming is: All senior devs leaving huge "AAA" studios to do their own thing so yeah, gaming is in really great shape right now, im serious. Look at all the small studio master pieces that have come out in the last while.
The footage of Charlie seeing that he still can’t afford the final boss, traversing the entire length of the city for another side mission, and then realizing that side mission is ANOTHER escort mission is absolutely priceless 😂
I’m so upset about how they did Arkham Batman’s story, I’m still in shock at this moment at how disrespectful to this series the writers are. They could’ve made him have a heroic sacrifice ending, make him say something memorable. Instead they put him on a chair and shot him.
@@NathanReade Kevin was also willing to make his first and only appearance as live action Batman be him being an evil and crippled alternate universe Bruce Wayne whose sole purpose was to be killed by CW Batwoman so that other characters could praise her for being morally better than Batman. Kevin Conroy was a good man and a professional, just because we don't have a Luke Skywalker situation where we have hours of footage of Mark Hamill in interviews talking about how much he hated what they did to his character doesn't mean that Kevin Conroy was happy with the portrayal or that fans ought to be. Speaking of Mark Hamill, the series ironically showed extreme respect and reverence for the Joker's death despite him being genuinely evil.
This game depressed Charlie so much that he didn't even bother recording himself for the video, besides sounding fucked up, this game not only killed the Justice League but also killed Rocksteady.
The people pushing everything to be live services need to lose there job. Literally everytime a ceo forces live service on a single player studio it ends like this.
Won't happen, shareholders and the like firmly believe the useless executives, market analysts and other parasitic positions are the people that make videogame companies work. They would rather fire every developer and outsource everything to South Korea and Chile than fire all those useless people that only suck resources and creativity out of videogames
“Why is there no hero at Rocksteady?” Cuz the original heroes of Rocksteady abandoned ship. WB was looking for Yes men for their Live service direction
he stated that the reason was that the characters were good, he had fun in the first half of the game, and Im guessing because its a triple A game that the game looks and play good. (atleast compared to titles with janky animation/bugs)
He’s too used to playing games that are literal asset-flip scams. Any sane person who hasn’t played hundreds of games like that would’ve given it a 10%.
I felt like the boss fights wouldve been better if they were more one on one, like Captain Boomerang fighting Flash can switch into a chase style fight were you dodge and weave, fast react and punish while racing across the map. Or Deadshot being the only one that steel himself enough to try and take down Batman with stealth, rebounding shots, tactical environmental damage to expose him more. You know, making them interesting and different from the rest of the gameplay.
Imagine this game if you played as Batman using his contingency plans to incapacitate the rest of the justice League and then when finally fighting Brainiac, they are all freed from his mind control and the Justice League brings him down together
or they could have made a game with the justice league first. considering i haven't even met this iteration of the justice league, there is no weight behind me killing any of them because i don't even know them. The first time we see this iteration of superman he kills wonder woman, then just lasily falls out of the air and drops dead... one of the strongest beings in the galaxy shot to death lmfao.
@@user-NameName let rocksteady cook. Flash is alive in leaked audio. The league we killed was probably clones from braniac and thats why flash had his thumb later in the game, the GL ring acted differently, and superman reacted to kryptonite strangely. And after boss fights braniac sucks the "heroes" back to his ship. It would qlso explain why wonderwoman had a sadder death bc she was the only real jl member in the game
Was playing the game with my 6-year-old niece (I mean she watched me play) and about 2 hours in she says "Why is everyone using guns." Ladies and Gentleman this was when I just decided to unplug, thanks Bailey
For this i was expecting there to be a mission that starts out as an escort mission, but the person you're escorting quickly dies, so a funny still comes up where everyone shrugs and it says "Plan B" on the screen and you just have to transport the corpse, but a few minutes later, the corpse explodes, so a screen shows them all face palming and reads "Plan C" and you have to take something else to the mission's end. I would've loved for them to lean into the suicide squad vibe with all the missions and kind of turn your typical standard video game missions on their head. But no, we got micro transactions, escort missions, hit the thing 3 times, and shoot the glowing thing. 😓
Commenting just so you don't have just a bot in your comments. But also literally I don't understand how they fucked up so hard. Suicide Squad is where you can get a little goofy, a little edgy, a little morbidly funny. But there's no charm just... guns, mediocrity and predatory microtransaction. It just makes me sad. So much potential, only to sully their franchise.
This sounds amazing the game should have subverted gaming tropes like this. But That type of creativity isn’t what modern game developers/publishers want apparently
Don't know why they just didn't have you face off Batman. Have him Gain back enough sanity that he gives you his neutralization list. Then from there you use those instructions to incapacitate the members.
There’s a scene where they find a hologram of Batman going over his contingency plans for each JL member. The SS literally fast forward through it for a joke.
@@DefiantYeast0426 They fast forward through the ones they already beat, listen to the part about Batman and go to Superman before finding that part has been corrupted or deleted or something like that.
Honestly the worst part to me is that the heroes dont get cinematic or memorable deaths. Its the namesake of the game and they dont even bother to make that memorable unless its Wonder Woman or Batman
A fitting end for such lazily designed heroes, appart from Batman... but then again, he was the only one that had any right to die from bullet wounds to begin with.
...because the game is about killing...the justice league... This game isn't about respecting the justice league, it's about killing them...arguably the most disrespectful thing one could do to the justice league... Lol it's in the title for fuk sakes!
45% meter is generous in my opinion, given that they release it as a full price AAA title and all you get is some free to play looking "turn your brain off" shooter just to get bored in less than an hour.
I agree with you. And then I have to remind myself that we exist in the age where AAA games are released completely nonfunctional. So at least the game works properly? And we aren’t even talking servers, I’m talking the game itself.
Modern AAA gaming rots your brain and lowers your standards, if you're having fun sometimes with a game you instantly bump it up to a 4/10 because the bar is that low
You know watching you play this really got me thinking about how easy the apocalypse was for 3 regular mortal criminals, how the hell did they capture a guy who can fly at Mach 9, a guy who can run faster than that, someone who was the best technology and combat skills and someone who can literally summon anything he can think of.
@@jefftonsman Look up Flash's powers and abilities, he's stupidly OP. He runs so fast that he's essentially teleporting. Like bruh, he can literally turn back time. He's does a whole lot more than just run fast. Writers constantly have to come up with contrived and stupid ways for him to lose because he's so broken. Like, in this game for example, we don't even see how Green Lantern managed to injure Flash so severely because the writers couldn't think of a smart way to do it, so it happens off screen.
@@SquashyButton actually read flash comics instead reading up on his abilities . He cannot turn back time lol his main rogues gallery is still normal humans with high tech weapons and he constantly loses it aint hard to imagine how green latnern did it
Superman Red Son was an alternate universe. This game was part of a beloved franchise and tarnished its reputation. Superman Red Son had its amazing storytelling and respected its characters. This game doodooed on the league and didn't give them proper sendoffs. I'd say batman dying in red son is better than any of this because he held to his convictions to the very end. This Batman(note that this is ARKHAM Batman) died killing his friends and going against everything he stood for despite Arkham Knight's ending and its resolution. It showed that Batman's sacrifice in AK was all for nothing. It is terrible story telling when put in context with the Arkham games.
Remembering how people acclaimed Arkham Mr. Freeze as having one of the best Boss fights ever in videogame history, I find it funny hearing Charlie describing how beating The Flash in this game is pretty much just some Quick Time Event sequence.
I liked how creatively they killed the justice league, the flash was shot to death with a gun, green lantern was hit with a bullet from a gun, batman stood still until he was shot with guns and then he was shot with a gun, superman was shot with a gun so many times that he died.
We could've gotten a Justice League Co-Op Game fighting Brainiac with a much better Sendoff to Kevin Conroy. Instead we got 3 Normies and a Shark. Rocksteady has become the definition of: "You either die a Hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the Villain."
The problem with this game is that the concept alone is a missed opportunity. Like, think about it, why do people like the suicide squad? Because unlike other hero teams that mostly stick with a similar roster of established heroes, the suicide squad is a team made up of misfits who the writers could kill off if they wanted to because they weren't all that popular. Part of what's great about the suicide squad is how ballsy it is. It's a series that gets you attached to these misfit heroes all while never revealing who will live and who will die. When you have a live service multiplayer game you can't really kill off members of your team because a player might prefer one character's play style and get mad if they can no longer play as them. Especially in a game where they are fighting the most powerful superheroes in the DC universe, there should have been a lot more deaths within the team for this story to work.
This could’ve been Batman vs Justice League. Would make so much sense story wise since it’s Batman’s biggest fear coming true (Justice League going Rogue) and the only way he can defeat them is by killing them. Rocksteady could’ve reference Justice League: DOOM (animated movie) into a video game. Or if it was Kevin conroy last game - a Batman Beyond game would be sick. Missed opportunity
"I am the night. I am vengeance. I am AAAAAAAH" - Lex Luthor proceeds to "comically" torture the brainwashed and tied up Batman. Someone at Rocksteady thought that people will enjoy seeing this. That we'll hear Kevin Conroy screaming in agony in the middle of his iconic line - and find it funny.
"What a surprise" said no one ever once the gameplay trailer was released for Suicide Squad Kill the Justice League. Almost everyone knew this game was going to be sh*t since the beginning, smh. RIP Rocksteady, it's been a journey with the Batman Arkham game series
When I was a developer way back when, the rule of thumb was 3 years in a job then move on to get broader experience. So the teams at Rock Steady that produced the Arkham series have gone through at least 3 generations of personnel since. There is virtually no one there who worked on the earlier games . So don’t be too surprised when this happens
Maybe so, but I still feel like there's been a decent few examples of a new dev team in a company managing to produce a good or at least decent sequel. Some bad aspects of SS:KTJL like the story do seem to be more on the part of the team, I'll grant, but to me, more of the game's issues likely stem from meddling on the part of WB. At the very least, I don't think it's Rocksteady's fault that the game is live service.
It's not even the Dev's fault. Higher ups pushing for this type of game to be made. I feel bad for the devs tbh cuz they can't do anything. They can definitely try and convince the ones that gave the order for this type of game to change and let the devs do what they do best. But they just don't care. Now idk the reason why the oldies from rocksteady left but we can guess it's because they didn't like where their future was going with upcoming games Maybe it was more live service projects coming that ultimately made them quit and start a new studio. I wish them the best. Let's just put the Arkham universe to rest and let's completely forget this game and Gotham knights exist.
@@MadWatcher pretty sure it was done so they would move on from it quick It is clear they didn't want to develop a live service game So they didn't put that much effort into making the game incredible or fun cuz it just wasn't something they wanted to do and it shows.
@@joelrobinson5457 when previous rocksteady games focused on just one character like in the Arkham games their games are usually great but I think the co-op focus has confused everything
This is worse than the time Rocksteady thought making Arkham Knight Deathstroke's boss battle into a copy paste tank battle of the one you had previously with Knight.
Don't remind me of that. Actually yeah remind me, take my mind off how stupidly they ended Kevin Conroy's run as Batman, how easily they killed his most OP portrayal.
They couldnt even bother to vary gameplay by making the person who’s entire gimmick is using boomerangs use boomerangs, or the giant fucking monster be a giant fucking monster
I watched the story on yt and that ending is baffling. You beat Braniac but then it's revealed 12 other versions of him are invading other multiverse earths which sets up the season passes to come. You don't even get a proper ending to a game you paid 70 bucks for. You need to wait and buy a battle pass 12 times (at least) to see the ending. This is even worse than when Asura's Wrath hid the ending behind DLC
@@alexfalton3985 WB has been greedy like this for sometime. It's surprising it took this long to hit Rocksteady. Was honestly in disbelief their was no BS in Hogwarts Legacy. WB are the ones who refused to patch the buggy Arkham Origins, cause they needed the DLC to be made and sold, before it was worth their time.
I find it VERY convenient that Wonder Woman was the only one to avoid brainiacs control, die with sad music in the background, and not have her corpse defiled
I don't find it weird really, of the main members she's among the strongest and when most of the spotlight is on batman or superman, yeah it was weird that she was the only one with a honorable death. What was weird is to have Boomerang and Harley on the team, they have a much plot armor is not even funny
I somewhat understand this complaint but at the same time, its not like we arent all perpetully onlone anyway, there no extra step required before playing to ensure you are online.
Iirc they already made a statement saying they’re making an offline version. Should definitely of released day 1, but at least people who paid for it won’t be revoked access when the game inevitably fails and gets shut down.
@@tickledeggz I'm one of the few people that doesn't play multiplayer games or care about being online, so it defeats the purpose of playing a video game. I exclusively play single player games or games that has multiplayer, but play Single player. I'd rather have an Offline version as well in regards to video games.
Honestly that’s becoming every new game now and personally I hate it…back around when the 360 and PS3 were around not every game needed live connection. Guess devs just hate that no one can write good stories anymore they have to resort to players having fun online now…
If you told me a few years ago Kevin Conroy's last performance as Batman would be in a Rocksteady Arkham project, well I wouldn't exactly have been happy that the Batman I grew up with would die early, but I would've been at peace thinking the end of his multi-decade performance as the Caped Crusader was in good hands. And boy would I have been wrong.
because its not like couldnt do it in injustice 2, he just didnt have the right opportunity to do so. With enough time and having them all properly capture, of course he could. Besides, its comics related content, do you really expect them to mantain consistency? Its comics we are talking about. Ive seen weebtoons with better consistency of its characters, powerlevels, rules and relationships
@@fernandoreimpell2818 Comics are fucking fantastic, cut it out. Comic stuff isn't like live action the same way Manga isn't like Netflix adaptations. But the internet only seems to respect the ladder when manga has bad stories too. When it comes to comics, it's always the utmost vitriol from people who have never completed a single arc. And it isn't all superheroes.
Apparently in game tapes say superman and green lanteren wanted to negotiate with brainiac. Batman wanted a plan and wonder woman and flash agreed but somehow agreed with supes and gl and proceeded to gaslight batman into doing it because they are “better together”
@@billbill6094 Ok, sorry, I think comics was too abroad of a term to this case. What I really meant 97% of Marvel and Dc, wich, yeah, fanfiction hot garbage, wich yeah, Its not because of wokism, and represents like at the very least 80% of the comic industry
The way they finished off Batman is one of the most disgraceful deaths I’ve ever seen in gaming history. This is the Batman we all fell in love with in the Arkham series and the memories we made with this character. And after all the great history Rocksteady has with Batman, THIS is how he dies??? Gotham Knights 100% gave Batman a better death than this.
To be fair, my impression was that, in their minds, Batman was already dead once Brainiac took over. Shooting him then was more like putting him out of his misery. Using his body to get Supermans attention would also be something Batman would do himself. That said I think Superman's lack of reaction to his death was even more insulting. Green Lantern was really pissed when Flash died, so it seems weird how Superman didn't care too much that Batman died.
I think the tough part going into this game from a mechanical stand point was the characters. With someone like Batman, you know what you have to accomplish - stealth, gadgets, hand-to-hand combat, investigations, gliding. I’m not saying that’s easy to achieve, but you have a roadmap. A character like Captain Boomerang is simultaneously simple and vague. You know that he has to be able to throw a boomerang. Alright, what now? Also, you need to program his three buddies who don’t throw boomerangs and rely on completely different skill sets and styles.
Yeah, I cant imagine how you program the suicide squad to have any level of tightness or fluidity. Isnt the whole charm about them that theyre clumsy, ineffecient and awkward fighters? it just doesnt hit the same when you see them mow through hoards and hoards without a single hiccup like theyre any other superhero team. Definitely somewhat conceptually flawed.
I love how hard people are coping that the game is somehow good and justifying how the SS can even beat one member of the justice league. Literally, the first time they saw Flash he ran behind deadshot and even said a catchphrase without any of them noticing. He literally could've just snapped all of their necks right then and there.
It's just plot armor though. Batman beating the Justice League doesn't make any sense either but people love it. That said, Flash slaughtered Lex Luthor way too easily, it really did make you wonder why he didn't just do the same thing to the SS.
I saw an idea about the new Suicide Squad game, and it sounds better than what we’re actually getting. The guy said that they should have had Batman be the only Justice League member that wasn’t mind controlled, and you have to play as him and try to save the others and fight Braniac. Then, the Suicide Squad would be secondary antagonists, where you have to stop them from killing the Justice League. I don’t know why Rocksteady didn’t do this. It would have been an epic swan song for Kevin Conroy.
Tbf to rocksteady, they couldn't have known Kevin Conroy would pass away, but that's still no excuse as to how they killed off any of the JL members. They all died by shooting at them smh.
I was literally just thinking about this idea earlier at the very least they should’ve replaced wonder woman’s role for Bruce as at least with that he dies honorably instead of being insulted and made fun of while sitting limp on a bench not even around his friends that we’ve seen him work with over the last 4 games.
They could have HONORED BATMAN by having him be the surviving hero instead of Wonder Woman. He could work with the Squad and we could see him interact with Waller. Then he could get mind controlled at the end of the game and ask, while restrained by the lasso, to be killed for taking lives under Brainiac’s control. We could have gotten some great heartfelt moments.
Bs, dc fans always glazing batman like he's the best of the best perfect man, why not replace batman in this your story point with superman or any other character. The suicide squad killing the justice league is a good story point, simply wasn't executed well and stuck behind repetitive gameplay and lackluster video game
My favorite part was Superman dying in five minutes from getting shot too much
*dies from cringe
he was getting shot by kryptonite, its not insane to believe since one kryptonite bullet would put him down
@@weelolol a bullet wouldn't hit him, he is too fast. Holy crap 1.6k likes, never got that kind of attention before. Thank you.
@@josephbartholomewyea bro pulled up faster then the entire squad could see but then he slowly flew around missing every attack he did
@@josephbartholomewexactly lol, he was moving giga fast but hey I guess the random bullets hit him?
1. Build an "open" world
2. Make 3 or 4 mission types
3. Make servicable bosses
4. Copy&paste
Literally elden ring (best game of all time)
@@gutczer8467 I'm pointing out the generic-ness of gaming since the PS3 😂
@@gutczer8467hey pal, you just blow in from stupid town?
@@gutczer8467 Elden Ring is a mission based live service game? Damn I must've been playing the wrong game all this time.
@@gutczer8467you really thought you did something lol. Suppose you can place breath of the wild here then. Difference is those games are built with love and care
Loved the creativity they took in taking down the justice league.
Flash shot to death with guns, green lantern killed with guns, Batman shot in the head with a gun, and Superman killed by getting shot to death by guns.
Absolute travesty
So much creative I have to say wow
Are those the only boss fights in the game?
@@vakira7810Pretty much yeah. The justice league roster in this game universe was pretty small ngl
@@vakira7810 you fight brainac at the end but luckily you kill him with a gun so it's different
"i found your weakness.. enough bullets" sounds like the most 80s tough guy quote ever
It sounds like an earnestly cheesy one liner that you’d see in older comics and T.V shows.
sounds like a "badass" character in a movie inside a movie
Remember when Rocksteady made the famous Mr Freeze boss fight, and be adapted to your strategies.
Yeah, now you just get the fastest man alive using two moves. Thanks.
Such a good boss and actually took me a few tries on hard!
@@InvisibleMan-tb8ke Mr Freeze or Flash?
Yeah, I think the Mr Freeze from Arkham City is one of the best boss fights I've ever seen because it truly tests your knowledge of the game and doesn't allow you to cheese your way through it.
I expected them to do the same during Batman's boss fight but instead you just activate a couple of generators and just shoot the big bat. That was such a pathetic boss fight.
Rocksteady was never good at boss fights tbh, with Mr.Freeze being the sole exception. In Asylum, all you did was throw a batarang at the big enemy, dodge, and then beat him down. In City they were all forgettable aside from Ra's and Freeze, and Knight was infamous for most boss battles being Batmobile sections. Ironically it was Origins that had the best fights, like Deathstroke, Bane, Firefly, and Deadshot (and of course Electrocutioner).
@@bigbubble4282yea it suck’s that wb Montreal stopped making Batman games. Would love to have 2 different Batman universes
Green Lantern being mind-controlled (aka losing his will) and still having his ring, and being able to use his powers is very telling about people who were writing this game. Not even gonna mention the deaths of other characters.
Lmaoooo they didn’t check the source material
Green lanterns have been mind controlled and kept their powers several times in main canon comics and alt universes.
@@gageunruh3574 not sure about alt universes, but this is what DC Wiki says about the Lantern ring weaknesses:
- Mental Instability Protocol: Drug use, neural interference, vertigo or other forms of mental incapacitation can render the wearer unable to use their ring, rendered useless.
I think being mindcontrolled falls under that.
@@nickkowak9628 dc wiki is extreamly unreliable especially since starro is able to mind control lanterns and they keep their rings and power and eclipso has taken over several green lanterns and had them build a force field around earth.
Mind control does not shut off the ring or make it leave the user.
@@gageunruh3574 i'm not trying to argue with you, cuz my knowledge of green lantern is based scritcly on WB animation. It just seemed weird to me in game that's all.
Legit want to speak with the person/people who thought that a LOOTER SHOOTER was the best fit for a suicide squad game that's about killing the league.
That’s not even the problem, having a suicide squad game where you kill the league is the problem
I love copy-paste comments.
Fuckin thief.
@@Deathmare235 Ehh, not really. Power scaling is lame. We have comics where freaking Punisher Killed the whole marvel universe ect ect. Don't take it to serious. This game is still shit though
@@poopyscoopy6984It's not about the power scaling. It's about the audacity to have a team about this B team killing THE Justice League.
I mean it actually could've been kinda cool if they did it right. But unfortunately this game is filled with horrible missions, combat is mid, story sucks and just in general the devs messed up pretty much everything with this game. I honestly feel like this game was rushed or something especially since half the missions have you doing the same thing. Maybe that was the problem idk
Fun fact: King Shark is voiced by Samoa Joe. He's doing one hell of a job in Twisted Metal and AEW too. Bravo on him
He really is! I’ve a big fan of him since his days in TNA
No shit. Good on him.
ron funches or even sylvestor stallone would have been miles better
Samoa Joe is an all star
@@lionofthebluevale7170na
With how they treat Arkham Batman and the entire Arkham universe after 15 years, a 45% is way too generous for this game.
He comes back in season 4 dw
@@Derabidrat An alternate version comes back. Not the same man.
@@Eva01-jy2qu7pu9r hold up I thought that brainiac enhanced them to regenerate
@@Derabidrat Nope. The Arkhamverse JL are dead. The Suicide Squad will just be fighting other versions of the League which is stupid garbage
Hot take, the Arkham universe overall is mid. It is not bad, it is not good. Origins was its highest point in terms of storytelling.
The fact that this story takes place in the Arkhamverse really makes this game so much worse. If it was its own universe entirely, it'd still fall short of Rocksteady's quality in storytelling & gameplay, but it wouldn't be an insult to their legacy.
I agree. Now whenever I think about Batman from the Arkham series, I’m just gonna remember how painfully tragic his character was killed off in this fucking game
How do we know it takes place in the Arkhamverse?
@@AtomizanteYTGamespot has a video on that topic, with a “Batman After Arkham Knight” in the thumbnail. That might explain it
@@AtomizanteYTrocksteady them self or at least someone high ranking in rocksteady or warnerbros came out and said it was in the Arkham verse
@@Sleepyboi_U to be fair I'm expecting them to bring the Justice League back if only to leave it open for future games.
Using in-game currency to progress on the main storyline should be considered a war crime
So should escort missions
Hahaha totally, but its the bloodline of padding for shitty games, it isnt going anywhere😢
Remember Ratchet and Clank Going Commando??
Cyberpunk
_D e s t i n y_
They did Batman dirty in this game. Imagine being excited by the epilogue of Arkham Knight after 120%ing your first play through, seeing him utilize the fear toxin in order to terrify criminals who think he’s dead, effectively immortalizing himself in their minds… just to see him get brainwashed by Brainiac, turned into a lame ass boss fight, and then be executed by Harley in the most uncharacteristic way possible.
There are no tears from the audience (there aren’t meant to be since you’re supposed to route for Harley. Crazy, I know.), there is no emotional send off to this version of Batman, he’s just dead and you’re supposed to cheer for the Squad as they continue their quest to stop Brainiac. I’ve heard this joke before in other media, and it wasn’t funny the first time.
Might as well have brought Mark Hamill in because these jokes are diabolical. Arkham Batman got the perfect send off and they brought him back to get killed by the easiest villain he ever one punch KO'd.
“NOOOOOOO!!!”
I like to think the Arkham Batman and this Batman are two different characters. Nothing to do with each other.
@@undyne1 yeah, realistically Arkham Batman would never have been brainwashed. His entire character is based on strength of will. So many villains have tried to brainwash him before, or at least get in his head and make him afraid (like the Scarecrow) but they never could. I find it very hard to believe his biggest strength would just “disappear” like that 😂
@@undyne1It literally mentions the ending of Arkham Knight and he joins the Justice League
Imagine fighting some of the most powerful, god-like heroes in all of comic book history and all you do is shoot them with guns. What a tragedy.
The tragedy is grown men still expect quality content from superhero comic companies.
What's funny is that brawls in Yakuza games are often more epic and choreographed than this 😂
@@alexeyeliseev6322Yep. Ironically I finished Like a Dragon 7 and Yakuza 6 like a month ago. Rn I am playing Arkham Knight again, alongside Sleeping Dogs 😁👍🏾
very disapointment
@@AngryAlfonsewhat does this even mean? Superheroes appeal to people of all ages
I love how every heroes who turn evil, their plot armors gone, even bullet manage to kill the justice league. Just be the good guy and nothing can't stop the hulkamaniaks
With Green Lantern it at least makes sense because theres no way his ring should be working if his willpower is compromised.
@@tickledeggzBullshit😊
@@tickledeggzyes there is because it had happened dozens of times why do you clowns act like this
That’s how comics work in general though tbh. The endless cycle of a character suddenly losing their plot armor, dying, then being resurrected is typical comic fodder.
@@Miriam_J_ the endless cycle of you clowns never reading comics
Suicide squad: Kill the Studio
*KILL THE WB
Cum studio
I think it just did
Suicide squad: Panic at the disco
@@Sleepyboi_U panic at the office cubicles; "am I going to lose my job?"
Suicide Squad: Shoot the Purple Things
True
Definitely one of the games of 2024 🔥🔥
Suicide Squad: Stop the Reaper Invasion
Weird thing is I saw the final boss cutscene and was like "Oh cool, he'll be a mashup of all the previous bosses"... and then he stayed as the Flash... for the entire fight...
Yeah i think the same
I Guess is the beta Braniac 😂
They really made brainiac lack a brain lol
It means that the next few seasons of bosses can just be reskins of the other bosses.
I'm guessing he'll have the abilities of other heroes in other universes lol (there's 12 more braniacs in the multiverse that you'll have to hunt down in each season pass)
@@SarcasticDuck and they'll probably still make you pay in-game currency to unlock the final mission.
The most hilarious thing I've heard about the game so far is that "it was doomed the second Rocksteady thought the Suicide Squad could kill the Justice League."
But it's true. The game would have actually been fun if it made you feel like cannon fodder against nearly impossible odds fighting the Justice League.
Nearly scraping out wins by the tiniest imaginable margins with the help of Lexcorp gadgets reverse-engineered from alien tech or weird combinations of C and D-tier character abilities.
Instead, it's just dull, unimaginative slop.
This one hundred percent I also add. Make each character feel more distinct with the exception of king shark. All the characters had same type of dialogue and way of talking. Even a character like Deadshot a professional just wouldn’t shut up. Nor really the team leader he’s supposed to be the straight man that keeps everyone in line. Like the animated version of him.
@@rances4418 It's clear that Rocksteady has little understanding of the characters and absolutely zero idea of how to use them appropriately in the game. It's simply a vehicle to cash in on the Suicide Squad intellectual property.
Fr all the boss would've soloed the Suicide Squad by themselves so the fact the bosses are so easy is insulting.
@@Y.T.STachi Flash unironically could snap all of SS neck at the same time while brewing his coffee from half across the world before these 4 clowns could open their mouth to start a joke. But instead he choose to become the Looney Toons Taz
@@_pizzaboy9631 😂
Ship of theseus. The OG crew and the leader that worked on arkham universe have been long gone.
The quality really dipped after Arkham Galaxy
I dunno, I think they peaked with Arkhamheimer
@@Skids113yes especially when they said “it’s Arkhamheimer time” 😮
Yeah also paul dinis writing that was shafted after knigth for the in house "talent"
@@mateoramirez9232dini didn't even write knight lol
Literally they kill the characters with the most disrespect, all these amazing superhero’s who have beaten everything in there way, and they get killed by bullets
@@jules7ful Ha, I suppose your right
@@jules7fulyour
@jules7ful has 0 friends
Flash's last sentient act in this world was to save the squad... who then proceeded to piss on his corpse.
@@jules7fulyou’re a prick
I don't get why Warner Brothers are trying so hard for the Suicide Squad to become the next Guardians of the Galaxy. They just aren't even coming close to that quality.
The Guardians of the Galaxy game is actually fantastic.
@@maineman5757 The first movie is. Second one was *alright*. Third was ok.
@@maineman5757The game is actually really fun
@@SomeKindaSpy The second and third movies are around the same quality as the first.
James Gunn's suicide squad is really good though. Although I'll admit Guardians trilogy is a little better.
for people who dont want gameplay spoilers or whatever, he gave it a 45%
Thanks for warning the 2 players of this game
Because finding this comment is so much easier than skipping to the end of the video
Too high
Damn I was spot on
@@vagamer522 lmao real 😭
Dude sounds so dead inside I almost expected him to start with his old "what's up everybody it's critical"
Just proves how much a mid game kills your soul more than a bad one would
@@sysmator9986still having more fun with this game than that overhyped pokemon ripoff
His soul is being chipped away since last year thanks to games like Gollum and King Kong
@@swickster I feel like there was close to no hype around this game until it released and the rest just proves it's really good game
@@gagothesour the fortnite ass building system is SO bad and the map is empty as hell so exploration is meaningless. It's literally just ark with a pokemon skin. I played for 5 hours and ended up playing Enshrouded instead.
I remember when people were hyped as hell for this game. Then the pause menu got leaked. All four of the Squad members had guns (Not just Deadshot, THE GUN GUY), there was a generic bar at the top with options like Loadout, there were icons for several different currencies... the writing was on the wall from the beginning that this was going to be a live service looter shooter with no care taken for the writing. Everyone could immediately tell from that one leaked screenshot that the game was not coming anywhere CLOSE to living up to the Arkham games, and they never even tried to damage control or try to tease something people might enjoy about it. Rocksteady knew they had shit on their hands, and they were just looking for someone to wipe it on.
there was no hero at the studio to stop this because the talent literally jumped ship halfway through making this lol
I don't get why nobody talks about this.
@@donnyb2343 Because it's easy to just blind hate, Rockstar didn't want to make this and even if they did nobody wanted ot make a looter shooter, like this game could have still worked if everything was like King Shark writing wise and the traversal system gameplay wise, those are the only things in the game that are great
@@mariozappini7784*Rocksteady, not Rockstar
@@mariozappini7784blind hate? Not sure what you mean. People hate the game for being shit. Knowing the context of how that happened doesn't change anything
Idk how Rocksteady thought having this game take place in the Arkhamverse was a good idea
WB probably told them because the name recognition means $$$$
It really was a double edged sword. But definitely it was worse for them to have put the arkhamverse in there.
Look up Sweetbaby Inc and you'll know part of the reason why they went with it
Living up to that pfp, huh?
@@superjlk_9538 they completely underestimated the arkham fandoms undying love for this particular batman iteration.
This game would still be shit and still be shit on by people even without the arkham name attached but because they canonized it within the arkham verse they have completely ruined all good will they had with fans. Huge misstep for them that they won't ever live down
*"What are we, some sort of... Suicide Squad, killing the justice league?!"*
"laugh track"
"Ba dum Tss"
Some kinda*
This comment has better writing than the entire game
@@frogloti6319that comment was a line in the game
"It's not as bad as people make it to be"
*Proceeds to describe animal waste*
Yea, I really don't understand this and giving it a 45%. Sure, "not as bad as people make it out to be" kinda just always fits no matter the subject when the subject is hated on the internet. This review, though, the only positives he said (I'm pretty sure) were that the movement is really great, and the combat system is fun for a couple hours. And I'm not even sure the second one is a positive. The rest of the review he talks about there being three mission types, most of them escorts, and the boss battles being horrendous with the story going completely off the rails. As an aside, I'd also like to point out that it's not just Flash's and the final boss, it's EVERY boss fight in this game that does this. Only a couple moves, dodge and wait for a weakspot to appear, shoot them some, repeat until they flop over like a fish. I'm not even angry like some people, I just don't understand how this video, with everything he said in it, led to a 45%.
King Shark is fuckin dope, though. He's spot on there.
Charlie is a normie. His opinions are at best just asking a mate what he thinks.
thats because most people think its moldy diarrhea, when its only normal diarrhea 0u0
People make it out to be a dumpster fire. Turns out it's just a regular dumpster.
@@LordBigSlimeThe voice acting is pretty good, facial animations also really great, movement and combat is fun, but repetitive. That's it, it's a mid game, not good, not as bad as people make it to be, just a mid game that if it wasnt killing the batman ppl wouldnt even care this much
I think the reason why escort missions are used so much is because for the game developers, it’s the easiest thing to develop. You put the intended target to protect on a path from start to finish, give it a health bar and that’s it. The player then has to do all the work in protecting the target until the mission is complete.
Helps lengthen the game as well, they’re just filler missions to extend the run time.
They're filler. Easy to make, long run times. It's like 90% of a modern Disney movie.
@@dabenz2421 They're responding to something Charlie said in the video. He says there's a lot of escort missions. If you watched it you might know.
Lazy
@@dabenz2421 I was making a general statement about escort missions you dork. Your response is invalid.
I have a theory that Batman put all of the suicide squad in a dream state to see if all of the justice league becomes villains/brainwashed that they could rely on them to neutralize the justice league if it actually happens.
This is now canon to me
"It was all a dream"
“I used to make a beloved trilogy”
This is my headcanon
I just had this thought a couple of days ago lol
"the game is mid" continues to talk about some of the worst game design ideas I've heard of in recent memory
For real. 45%??? That’s not mid. That’s BAD
@@Luke101 mid means mediocre/middle of the road which 45% is
At best "mid" not mid
He said at best. This game is bad
I'd consider a 60 to be mediocre. That's like a D in grading. a 45 is trash@@theonewhoshitposts9727
Louis lane mourning over the loss of Batman without giving two shits about Superman was crazy tho
Louis, lmao
I think the implication is that with the chaos in the city they don't know anyone else is dead too, and the only reason they know about Batman is he had a protocol to send them word upon his death.
Still super weird in practice but
Understandable lois was always loose for rich playboys
“Rocksteady can make amazing games”
No no,, the OLD rocksteady could make amazing games as we knew it.
All senior leads left the studio and the new devs pump out this.
Welcome to modern gaming.
I love your profile picture
I hate this "it's the devs" trope. A studio is more than its individual devs, it's also its culture and management. You can have great devs but shit culture and management that churn out bad games. Sometimes it's the culture that needs to change, what worked before won't work now but no one wants to change it because the old guys are still there sticking to it. Bioware was like this, they had a horrible Crunch problem and that was the case for their successful titles, but when the work became more complex with the Frostbite Engine they churned out stinkers like Anthem and Andromeda. It wasn't the fault of the devs, it was the fault of the management not being realistic and unwilling to change.
I think people didnt know Batman Knight is very very 6/10 in some THINGS
Like the first Story is about Scarecrow and HUSH yet they fired the writer of Arkham City
And also Deathstroke "Boss fight" is a joke 😂
I mean the rest of the Game is a 10 but when you THINK about some decisions or changes you know Rocksteady kinda fired all the good people or like the NPCs that are Workers of the game = THEY ARE DEAD
diversity hires ftw
Modern gaming is: All senior devs leaving huge "AAA" studios to do their own thing so yeah, gaming is in really great shape right now, im serious. Look at all the small studio master pieces that have come out in the last while.
The footage of Charlie seeing that he still can’t afford the final boss, traversing the entire length of the city for another side mission, and then realizing that side mission is ANOTHER escort mission is absolutely priceless 😂
His face when the second truck started rollin... great clip choice to draw his point home
holy shit the UI looks like those parody ‘this is what gaming will look like in 2029’ memes looked like.
This will be gameplay in 2016 🤯🤯
modern AAA videogame try not having a UI that would belong straight in a streaming service challenge : IMPOSSIBLE
Battleborn was a game t hat was relentlessly made fun of for that, and this game literally has the Battleborn UI LMAO
I’m so upset about how they did Arkham Batman’s story, I’m still in shock at this moment at how disrespectful to this series the writers are. They could’ve made him have a heroic sacrifice ending, make him say something memorable. Instead they put him on a chair and shot him.
This shit isn’t canon to me.
Same
Yeah, sometimes devs just forget that people don't always want "realistic" endings, give some fan service god dammit, it isn't always bad
I know right. They killed the justice league....who the hell thought that was going to happen ...
@@NathanReade Kevin was also willing to make his first and only appearance as live action Batman be him being an evil and crippled alternate universe Bruce Wayne whose sole purpose was to be killed by CW Batwoman so that other characters could praise her for being morally better than Batman.
Kevin Conroy was a good man and a professional, just because we don't have a Luke Skywalker situation where we have hours of footage of Mark Hamill in interviews talking about how much he hated what they did to his character doesn't mean that Kevin Conroy was happy with the portrayal or that fans ought to be.
Speaking of Mark Hamill, the series ironically showed extreme respect and reverence for the Joker's death despite him being genuinely evil.
For some positivity.
Thank you, Kevin Conroy
Thank God this isn't his final performance
@@joec7217really?
@@joec7217 yeah I learned about that and I'm so happy
At least I know that this Sweet Baby Game thinks that men cannot be SA. Good job, woke people!
@@digital_nex2247Yep he recorded some lines in Crisis on Infinte Earth Part 3 and the animated TV show on Amazon Prime
That moment your game is so disappointing it convinces Charlie to make Moist Meter videos again
How come he stopped?
@@blackwyvern9228didnt you hear?
@allanv.7519 wait why did he stop?
Why did he stop?
About the word?
11:23 his reaction to seeing another escort mission killed me
There were heroes who stood up at Rocksteady.
They stood up, walked out the door and made their own company lol. 😂
This game depressed Charlie so much that he didn't even bother recording himself for the video, besides sounding fucked up, this game not only killed the Justice League but also killed Rocksteady.
Dude stayed up till 4 in the fucking morning playing that shit, checks out he didn't wanna bother with face cam & sounds like crap.
9:17 can we get a zoom in on that mission title? That’s too perfect
intentionally! suicide squad sure is a fitting title.
They're probably not gonna make a season 2 anyway so they might as well throw in these "Easter eggs".
You could say releasing this game was suicide
"It's not as bad as Gotham Knights."
You can play Gotham Knights offline.
plus gotham knights did the whole batman death thing way better and gave him respect
Gotham Knights isn’t even a bad game.
Gotham knights is also fun as fuck. Me and my buddy played it for a month and had a blast
Compared to this, Gotham Knights it's on RDR2 quality
@@ivanagustinortiz5237 I just wish it was 60 frames and 4 player co op then it would’ve been perfect
The people pushing everything to be live services need to lose there job. Literally everytime a ceo forces live service on a single player studio it ends like this.
Won't happen, shareholders and the like firmly believe the useless executives, market analysts and other parasitic positions are the people that make videogame companies work. They would rather fire every developer and outsource everything to South Korea and Chile than fire all those useless people that only suck resources and creativity out of videogames
“Why is there no hero at Rocksteady?” Cuz the original heroes of Rocksteady abandoned ship. WB was looking for Yes men for their Live service direction
3 type of enemies, 3 types of missions, final boss with 2 moves and you giving it 45%? WHAT
I smell contractual obligation to give it over 40%
@@Banalisisno company would pay for a guy telling everyone the game is literally below mid. Use your brain
he stated that the reason was that the characters were good, he had fun in the first half of the game, and Im guessing because its a triple A game that the game looks and play good. (atleast compared to titles with janky animation/bugs)
He’s too used to playing games that are literal asset-flip scams. Any sane person who hasn’t played hundreds of games like that would’ve given it a 10%.
@@user-NameNameThe absolute most generous rating I could see this game getting is a 3/10. And I consider that *very* generous.
I felt like the boss fights wouldve been better if they were more one on one, like Captain Boomerang fighting Flash can switch into a chase style fight were you dodge and weave, fast react and punish while racing across the map. Or Deadshot being the only one that steel himself enough to try and take down Batman with stealth, rebounding shots, tactical environmental damage to expose him more. You know, making them interesting and different from the rest of the gameplay.
The Deadshot point you made reminded me of the Arkham Knight boss fight in BAK.
Imagine this game if you played as Batman using his contingency plans to incapacitate the rest of the justice League and then when finally fighting Brainiac, they are all freed from his mind control and the Justice League brings him down together
or they could have made a game with the justice league first. considering i haven't even met this iteration of the justice league, there is no weight behind me killing any of them because i don't even know them. The first time we see this iteration of superman he kills wonder woman, then just lasily falls out of the air and drops dead... one of the strongest beings in the galaxy shot to death lmfao.
Why did you expect something that was written well?
@@user-NameName let rocksteady cook. Flash is alive in leaked audio. The league we killed was probably clones from braniac and thats why flash had his thumb later in the game, the GL ring acted differently, and superman reacted to kryptonite strangely. And after boss fights braniac sucks the "heroes" back to his ship. It would qlso explain why wonderwoman had a sadder death bc she was the only real jl member in the game
@user-NameName wouldnt be surprised if later in the seasons we save the real members from braniacs ship
@@purplenurple8816 If you continue playing this slop after 10 minutes you have zero taste for quality.
Was playing the game with my 6-year-old niece (I mean she watched me play) and about 2 hours in she says "Why is everyone using guns." Ladies and Gentleman this was when I just decided to unplug, thanks Bailey
😂😂
Need you say more? No, no you do not. 😔😔😔
(I typed that weird, I agree I mean)
Cope clown
and then everybody clapped
Shoulda shown her the trailer so she coulda saved you $70 lol
For this i was expecting there to be a mission that starts out as an escort mission, but the person you're escorting quickly dies, so a funny still comes up where everyone shrugs and it says "Plan B" on the screen and you just have to transport the corpse, but a few minutes later, the corpse explodes, so a screen shows them all face palming and reads "Plan C" and you have to take something else to the mission's end.
I would've loved for them to lean into the suicide squad vibe with all the missions and kind of turn your typical standard video game missions on their head.
But no, we got micro transactions, escort missions, hit the thing 3 times, and shoot the glowing thing. 😓
Don't translate...
भवतः हृदयस्य धड़कनं कतिपयेषु घण्टेषु स्थगयिष्यति, अस्य शापस्य मुक्तिं प्राप्तुं एकमात्रं मार्गं मम चैनलस्य सदस्यतां कुर्वन्तु
Commenting just so you don't have just a bot in your comments. But also literally I don't understand how they fucked up so hard. Suicide Squad is where you can get a little goofy, a little edgy, a little morbidly funny. But there's no charm just... guns, mediocrity and predatory microtransaction. It just makes me sad. So much potential, only to sully their franchise.
This sounds amazing the game should have subverted gaming tropes like this. But That type of creativity isn’t what modern game developers/publishers want apparently
@@GamerSisters This game could have worked well with a similar energy as Saints row 3 and 4
Don't know why they just didn't have you face off Batman. Have him Gain back enough sanity that he gives you his neutralization list. Then from there you use those instructions to incapacitate the members.
There’s a scene where they find a hologram of Batman going over his contingency plans for each JL member.
The SS literally fast forward through it for a joke.
@danielletaylor9201 wow how shit
@@DefiantYeast0426to be fair, he fast forwarded the ones they beat already but yea I wish we got to hear the whole thing
@@DefiantYeast0426 They fast forward through the ones they already beat, listen to the part about Batman and go to Superman before finding that part has been corrupted or deleted or something like that.
That would be good writing and WB can't allow that. They like crazy, wild ideas what's "cool with the kids".
Honestly the worst part to me is that the heroes dont get cinematic or memorable deaths.
Its the namesake of the game and they dont even bother to make that memorable unless its Wonder Woman or Batman
And Batman's was overwhelmingly disliked. Wonder Woman's wasn't bad, but it could have been better imo.
A fitting end for such lazily designed heroes, appart from Batman... but then again, he was the only one that had any right to die from bullet wounds to begin with.
@@krixtoreidid you just call the fucking Justice League "lazily designed heroes"?
Come on dude. Thats weak bait.
...because the game is about killing...the justice league...
This game isn't about respecting the justice league, it's about killing them...arguably the most disrespectful thing one could do to the justice league...
Lol it's in the title for fuk sakes!
@@davidtaylor142 i think he means their design in the game is bad
@2:02 This is the most accurate description of the in game dialogue. A cacophony of noise
45% meter is generous in my opinion, given that they release it as a full price AAA title and all you get is some free to play looking "turn your brain off" shooter just to get bored in less than an hour.
Not to mention the nothing burger ‘ending’
I agree with you. And then I have to remind myself that we exist in the age where AAA games are released completely nonfunctional. So at least the game works properly? And we aren’t even talking servers, I’m talking the game itself.
Modern AAA gaming rots your brain and lowers your standards, if you're having fun sometimes with a game you instantly bump it up to a 4/10 because the bar is that low
He got it for free probably; a bit biased. May have been a 25% if he was a normal consumer.
My favorite bit of this game was watching Charlie go through each stage of grief when he had to do an escort mission in the "end game"
"is your swollen prostate making you a prisoner of your toilet?" This is the ad at the beginning of Charlie's video lmfao 😂
Well is it?
@@razirec Y E S
Lol! Charlie sounds more pissed off by the minute. Like he gradualy remembers his experience.
You know watching you play this really got me thinking about how easy the apocalypse was for 3 regular mortal criminals, how the hell did they capture a guy who can fly at Mach 9, a guy who can run faster than that, someone who was the best technology and combat skills and someone who can literally summon anything he can think of.
Because they are better
The fact that the Flash lost at all is so wack. He's one of, if not the most stupidly OP heroes in all of DC.
@@SquashyButton no he isn't he loses constantly. His rogues gallery is normal humans with high tech weapons
@@jefftonsman Look up Flash's powers and abilities, he's stupidly OP. He runs so fast that he's essentially teleporting. Like bruh, he can literally turn back time. He's does a whole lot more than just run fast. Writers constantly have to come up with contrived and stupid ways for him to lose because he's so broken. Like, in this game for example, we don't even see how Green Lantern managed to injure Flash so severely because the writers couldn't think of a smart way to do it, so it happens off screen.
@@SquashyButton actually read flash comics instead reading up on his abilities . He cannot turn back time lol his main rogues gallery is still normal humans with high tech weapons and he constantly loses it aint hard to imagine how green latnern did it
The fact that they're saying this is canon to the Batman Arkham games is such a disrespect.
yea and I dun even know why they are doing that, they could have just made it in a separate universe and the bman death uproar wouldn't even exist.
Why is it? It’s comic books. God don’t read Superman red son you’ll end up crying yourself to sleep for what they did to Superman.
this is definitely NOT canon. i mean the people who designed this game are clearly out of the loop it doesn't matter how hard they rep the arkham set
@cody_tyra did you watch the whole video
Superman Red Son was an alternate universe. This game was part of a beloved franchise and tarnished its reputation. Superman Red Son had its amazing storytelling and respected its characters. This game doodooed on the league and didn't give them proper sendoffs. I'd say batman dying in red son is better than any of this because he held to his convictions to the very end. This Batman(note that this is ARKHAM Batman) died killing his friends and going against everything he stood for despite Arkham Knight's ending and its resolution. It showed that Batman's sacrifice in AK was all for nothing. It is terrible story telling when put in context with the Arkham games.
Me looking at Gotham Knights: Perhaps I treated you too harshly...
The technology to play a videogame in offline mode just does not exist yet ;)
Yea
Makes no sense:/
Remembering how people acclaimed Arkham Mr. Freeze as having one of the best Boss fights ever in videogame history, I find it funny hearing Charlie describing how beating The Flash in this game is pretty much just some Quick Time Event sequence.
I am never paying 70$ for a game with microtransactions
Or any game. They will all go on sale eventually.
11:27 I love how Charlie is talking about all the escort missions and then has an outstanding reaction to being plagued with another one
I liked how creatively they killed the justice league, the flash was shot to death with a gun, green lantern was hit with a bullet from a gun, batman stood still until he was shot with guns and then he was shot with a gun, superman was shot with a gun so many times that he died.
We could've gotten a Justice League Co-Op Game fighting Brainiac with a much better Sendoff to Kevin Conroy.
Instead we got 3 Normies and a Shark.
Rocksteady has become the definition of:
"You either die a Hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the Villain."
Ever heard of LEGO Batman 3?
@@burgerkingfries4941
Yea it's good.
I was 26 years old 7 years ago. I really can't imagine putting so much of my life time in something that will be forgotten in like a week or two.
The problem with this game is that the concept alone is a missed opportunity. Like, think about it, why do people like the suicide squad? Because unlike other hero teams that mostly stick with a similar roster of established heroes, the suicide squad is a team made up of misfits who the writers could kill off if they wanted to because they weren't all that popular. Part of what's great about the suicide squad is how ballsy it is. It's a series that gets you attached to these misfit heroes all while never revealing who will live and who will die. When you have a live service multiplayer game you can't really kill off members of your team because a player might prefer one character's play style and get mad if they can no longer play as them. Especially in a game where they are fighting the most powerful superheroes in the DC universe, there should have been a lot more deaths within the team for this story to work.
Suicide Squad: Kill the Franchise
This could’ve been Batman vs Justice League. Would make so much sense story wise since it’s Batman’s biggest fear coming true (Justice League going Rogue) and the only way he can defeat them is by killing them. Rocksteady could’ve reference Justice League: DOOM (animated movie) into a video game.
Or if it was Kevin conroy last game - a Batman Beyond game would be sick. Missed opportunity
8 years of Dev Time guys!
God imagine how much coke they went through.
I’m surprised the devs survived the development cycle
And it looks graphically worse than Arkham City from 2011.
It was money laundering
And Arkham City was only about 2-3 years from Asylum and they accomplished better
Not even the same Devs. Bunch of Woke, no backbone, hair colored, devs made this garbage. Old heads left
"I am the night. I am vengeance. I am AAAAAAAH" - Lex Luthor proceeds to "comically" torture the brainwashed and tied up Batman.
Someone at Rocksteady thought that people will enjoy seeing this.
That we'll hear Kevin Conroy screaming in agony in the middle of his iconic line - and find it funny.
I liked the scene, it would be a wholesome moment if he wasn’t offed the way he was after that moment.
"What a surprise" said no one ever once the gameplay trailer was released for Suicide Squad Kill the Justice League. Almost everyone knew this game was going to be sh*t since the beginning, smh. RIP Rocksteady, it's been a journey with the Batman Arkham game series
When I was a developer way back when, the rule of thumb was 3 years in a job then move on to get broader experience.
So the teams at Rock Steady that produced the Arkham series have gone through at least 3 generations of personnel since.
There is virtually no one there who worked on the earlier games . So don’t be too surprised when this happens
Maybe so, but I still feel like there's been a decent few examples of a new dev team in a company managing to produce a good or at least decent sequel. Some bad aspects of SS:KTJL like the story do seem to be more on the part of the team, I'll grant, but to me, more of the game's issues likely stem from meddling on the part of WB. At the very least, I don't think it's Rocksteady's fault that the game is live service.
It's not even the Dev's fault.
Higher ups pushing for this type of game to be made.
I feel bad for the devs tbh cuz they can't do anything.
They can definitely try and convince the ones that gave the order for this type of game to change and let the devs do what they do best.
But they just don't care.
Now idk the reason why the oldies from rocksteady left but we can guess it's because they didn't like where their future was going with upcoming games
Maybe it was more live service projects coming that ultimately made them quit and start a new studio.
I wish them the best.
Let's just put the Arkham universe to rest and let's completely forget this game and Gotham knights exist.
@@MadWatcher pretty sure it was done so they would move on from it quick
It is clear they didn't want to develop a live service game
So they didn't put that much effort into making the game incredible or fun cuz it just wasn't something they wanted to do and it shows.
This game is a massive slap in the face to those of us who've played the original arkham games
45%? Charlie is being WAAAAY to generous. for a game that does nothing well, this shit should get 25% AT MOST.
Can't believe the idea of depicting superman as a slow flying drone wasn't the worst one they had
I wish they still had the Black Abyss death screens 😭
Rocksteady really kill themselves with this suicide squad game
Hence the name
I think the problem with this and Gotham knights comes from the focus of co-op
@@sytherwusky well that's *a* problem, and a serious one for a single player game to have
@@joelrobinson5457 when previous rocksteady games focused on just one character like in the Arkham games their games are usually great but I think the co-op focus has confused everything
@@velocityeightsuicide studio
From what I understand, much of Rocksteady's core team and leads are gone. In which case, this is a Rocksteady game in name only, they got Bioware'd.
This is worse than the time Rocksteady thought making Arkham Knight Deathstroke's boss battle into a copy paste tank battle of the one you had previously with Knight.
Don't remind me of that. Actually yeah remind me, take my mind off how stupidly they ended Kevin Conroy's run as Batman, how easily they killed his most OP portrayal.
They couldnt even bother to vary gameplay by making the person who’s entire gimmick is using boomerangs use boomerangs, or the giant fucking monster be a giant fucking monster
I watched the story on yt and that ending is baffling. You beat Braniac but then it's revealed 12 other versions of him are invading other multiverse earths which sets up the season passes to come. You don't even get a proper ending to a game you paid 70 bucks for. You need to wait and buy a battle pass 12 times (at least) to see the ending. This is even worse than when Asura's Wrath hid the ending behind DLC
the DLC is free
It really doesn't matter, they sold what was supposed to be a complete game when it is not anywhere close to that.@AussieGamer-jd6qd
Now that is fucking unbelievable. Is Rocksteady run by Mr. Krabs now?
@@alexfalton3985 WB has been greedy like this for sometime. It's surprising it took this long to hit Rocksteady.
Was honestly in disbelief their was no BS in Hogwarts Legacy.
WB are the ones who refused to patch the buggy Arkham Origins, cause they needed the DLC to be made and sold, before it was worth their time.
All of the dlc are free and it’ll only be 6 seasons
I find it VERY convenient that Wonder Woman was the only one to avoid brainiacs control, die with sad music in the background, and not have her corpse defiled
I don't find it weird really, of the main members she's among the strongest and when most of the spotlight is on batman or superman, yeah it was weird that she was the only one with a honorable death.
What was weird is to have Boomerang and Harley on the team, they have a much plot armor is not even funny
I think they did that because of the Wonder Woman game being made
"You can't play it without an internet connection."
This irritates me and doesn't surprise me at all.
I somewhat understand this complaint but at the same time, its not like we arent all perpetully onlone anyway, there no extra step required before playing to ensure you are online.
Iirc they already made a statement saying they’re making an offline version. Should definitely of released day 1, but at least people who paid for it won’t be revoked access when the game inevitably fails and gets shut down.
@@tickledeggzLord forbid your internet gets blacked out while you are playing.
@@tickledeggz
I'm one of the few people that doesn't play multiplayer games or care about being online, so it defeats the purpose of playing a video game. I exclusively play single player games or games that has multiplayer, but play Single player. I'd rather have an Offline version as well in regards to video games.
Honestly that’s becoming every new game now and personally I hate it…back around when the 360 and PS3 were around not every game needed live connection. Guess devs just hate that no one can write good stories anymore they have to resort to players having fun online now…
Rest In Peace to a Legend. You will be remembered in all of hearts Kevin Conroy. You truly were a superhero and still are an inspiration to us all.
Is it me or did some parts sound like someone imitating his Batman voice? Sounded off...
thank you for spending the money and playing through for the rest of us, the cutscenes seemed cool lol
If you told me a few years ago Kevin Conroy's last performance as Batman would be in a Rocksteady Arkham project, well I wouldn't exactly have been happy that the Batman I grew up with would die early, but I would've been at peace thinking the end of his multi-decade performance as the Caped Crusader was in good hands. And boy would I have been wrong.
Really don't get how Braniac was able to brainwash the entire Justice League in this game when he couldn't do it in Injustice 2.
He was able to do it in the Superman Animated Series.
because its not like couldnt do it in injustice 2, he just didnt have the right opportunity to do so. With enough time and having them all properly capture, of course he could. Besides, its comics related content, do you really expect them to mantain consistency? Its comics we are talking about. Ive seen weebtoons with better consistency of its characters, powerlevels, rules and relationships
@@fernandoreimpell2818 Comics are fucking fantastic, cut it out. Comic stuff isn't like live action the same way Manga isn't like Netflix adaptations. But the internet only seems to respect the ladder when manga has bad stories too. When it comes to comics, it's always the utmost vitriol from people who have never completed a single arc.
And it isn't all superheroes.
Apparently in game tapes say superman and green lanteren wanted to negotiate with brainiac. Batman wanted a plan and wonder woman and flash agreed but somehow agreed with supes and gl and proceeded to gaslight batman into doing it because they are “better together”
@@billbill6094 Ok, sorry, I think comics was too abroad of a term to this case. What I really meant 97% of Marvel and Dc, wich, yeah, fanfiction hot garbage, wich yeah, Its not because of wokism, and represents like at the very least 80% of the comic industry
45% is too generous on this pile of crap. Charlie should be deducting points for predatory practises.
Charlie is a fence rider
This might be a true 0%. Disgusting garbage with zero redeeming qualities.
@@Yayofangamer16nah he's just honest. The game isn't terrible but it isn't good either. It's just average
@@themanofconstantsorrowelia1929 No. It's horrible. It does not even have an ending.
@@Yayofangamer16 there's worse games. Its just average
Saving you time: He gave it a 45%
That is way, way too nice.
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@@sonofhades57well charlie play lots of garbage asset flip steam new releases
Shouldn’t be anywhere higher than 10%
Summing it up as "45%" doesn't really do the review justice. He had a single complement for the game, and everything else he said was negative.
Your description of the gameplay reminds me of an iPhone game i had in 2010....
That state of gaming everyone
Some games are like that nowdays, others require dowload even if yu buy the physical edition and im not talking updates
The way they finished off Batman is one of the most disgraceful deaths I’ve ever seen in gaming history. This is the Batman we all fell in love with in the Arkham series and the memories we made with this character. And after all the great history Rocksteady has with Batman, THIS is how he dies??? Gotham Knights 100% gave Batman a better death than this.
Did Neil Cuckman pitch this idea to them?
To be fair, my impression was that, in their minds, Batman was already dead once Brainiac took over. Shooting him then was more like putting him out of his misery. Using his body to get Supermans attention would also be something Batman would do himself.
That said I think Superman's lack of reaction to his death was even more insulting. Green Lantern was really pissed when Flash died, so it seems weird how Superman didn't care too much that Batman died.
Batman dies in multiple comics you gonna cry about that to.
@@cody_tyraKinda feels like you missed the point, child
@@cody_tyraThis iteration is the most recognizable. That’s why people are mad about it.
This will end up just like the Avengers Game that died away
Nah ive played both
This is honestly what the avengers tried to be lol. Like leagues ahead lol
@@Eking-su3tr and yet it's still an utter catastrophe of shit that won't last the next "season" of gameplay at most.
@@SomeKindaSpy the shit hasn’t even dropped yet
What r u yapping about
@@Eking-su3trwhat're you yapping about!?
@@joelrobinson5457 way to repeat what i just said
The game hasn’t dropped yet
This is early access
R u slow?
0% dry as a fucking desert
Fr
-30% on the Dry meter
I think the tough part going into this game from a mechanical stand point was the characters.
With someone like Batman, you know what you have to accomplish - stealth, gadgets, hand-to-hand combat, investigations, gliding. I’m not saying that’s easy to achieve, but you have a roadmap.
A character like Captain Boomerang is simultaneously simple and vague. You know that he has to be able to throw a boomerang. Alright, what now? Also, you need to program his three buddies who don’t throw boomerangs and rely on completely different skill sets and styles.
Yeah, I cant imagine how you program the suicide squad to have any level of tightness or fluidity.
Isnt the whole charm about them that theyre clumsy, ineffecient and awkward fighters? it just doesnt hit the same when you see them mow through hoards and hoards without a single hiccup like theyre any other superhero team.
Definitely somewhat conceptually flawed.
I love how hard people are coping that the game is somehow good and justifying how the SS can even beat one member of the justice league.
Literally, the first time they saw Flash he ran behind deadshot and even said a catchphrase without any of them noticing. He literally could've just snapped all of their necks right then and there.
Plot Armor, they love it. Smh
It's just plot armor though. Batman beating the Justice League doesn't make any sense either but people love it.
That said, Flash slaughtered Lex Luthor way too easily, it really did make you wonder why he didn't just do the same thing to the SS.
Batman too. You see him murdering a bunch of police, yet for some reason he only knocks out the Suicide Squad
@@sithdude2436you can literally hear brainiac talk to batman saying he wants them alive
Flash ran behind the man pretending to be deadshot u mean, that guy is an imposter
How we went from Arkham Knight to THIS is baffling
Straight cheeks👎🏾
I saw an idea about the new Suicide Squad game, and it sounds better than what we’re actually getting. The guy said that they should have had Batman be the only Justice League member that wasn’t mind controlled, and you have to play as him and try to save the others and fight Braniac. Then, the Suicide Squad would be secondary antagonists, where you have to stop them from killing the Justice League. I don’t know why Rocksteady didn’t do this. It would have been an epic swan song for Kevin Conroy.
Tbf to rocksteady, they couldn't have known Kevin Conroy would pass away, but that's still no excuse as to how they killed off any of the JL members. They all died by shooting at them smh.
Crazy how you can come up with a idea 1000x better than people who get paid to do it
I was literally just thinking about this idea earlier at the very least they should’ve replaced wonder woman’s role for Bruce as at least with that he dies honorably instead of being insulted and made fun of while sitting limp on a bench not even around his friends that we’ve seen him work with over the last 4 games.
They could have HONORED BATMAN by having him be the surviving hero instead of Wonder Woman. He could work with the Squad and we could see him interact with Waller. Then he could get mind controlled at the end of the game and ask, while restrained by the lasso, to be killed for taking lives under Brainiac’s control. We could have gotten some great heartfelt moments.
Bs, dc fans always glazing batman like he's the best of the best perfect man, why not replace batman in this your story point with superman or any other character. The suicide squad killing the justice league is a good story point, simply wasn't executed well and stuck behind repetitive gameplay and lackluster video game
In a game where you have to Kill the Justice League, the boss battles are where literally all of their work should have gone into...