The ONLY thing you need to know about harp tuning
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- Hi everyone, did you know about this trick??!
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Trouble is if you tune all fifths just, then you'll end up with Pythagorean temperament with a wolf fifth. The fifths need to be tempered by a 1/12 of a comma among them. For the majority of people, this will be much easier and more accurate with a tuner. Once you have set the temperament with the tuner, it's a good idea to tune the octaves by ear, as you'll be able to hear the "stretch", and the instrument will sound more sonorous.
Wow you know a lot, very interesting! Yes, I was not clear in the video, I always "adjust" with 5th, 4th and octaves. The main point was that it's possible to tune decently by year using intervals, but pretty impossible to tune with ascending or descending scales.
@@chiarapedrazzettiarpatelie6470 I think that's exactly right. By training your ear, you will naturally balance out those 'beats' taking into account your particular instrument and string combination. That's something an electronic tuner can't do, especially at the extremes of the range in the very lowest and highest notes.
So are the harps in Pythagorean tuning then? I thought the pedals were set to equal tempered half steps? But if this is Pythagorean tuning, the pedals must employ the slightly wider apotome aka the chromatic half step, as opposed to the smaller limma aka the diatonic half step for the tuning to be consistent in every key.. Is this right, that harps are made for Pythagorean tuning?
@@chiarapedrazzettiarpatelie6470 I'm not sure what you mean by that or what that has to do with my question.
@@chiarapedrazzettiarpatelie6470I wish they made pedal harps to be in Pythagorean tuning and not equal temperament. I mean harps have the technology to do it. It would just require having the tuning discs in slightly different places on the string. The harps would sound so much better in Pythagorean tuning, even with chords.
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My teacher teached me that way. I used to think it was very hard, I was 9 but now i m 46 and I still have a good ear. I thank her even if she was a very severe teacher.
Well done to your teacher!
I love watching all your videos and I have learned a lot but this video is a little complicated and didn’t quite understand the method probably because I’m so new to the harp, anyway it was still fun to watch. Harp on!!!
So sorry Dan! What did you not understand?
I only know how to tune in c major and e flat, when you start talking about all the other keys or notes it’s just over my head, no worries I’m sure I will understand in the future. Im learning by way of videos and internet so my process is slower.
If you are tuning to eflat, to tune by the internal of 5th, you would start with Eflat on all the octaves, then go to the fifth interval, which is Bflat, then to the next fifth interval, which is F, and so on (C, G, D, Aflat).
@@casuffit thank you so much, I have a 29 string Delta harp and I just worked it out on paper and it works perfect. I’ll tune it up that way from now on. Again, thank you for your input, I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed lol.
My piano tuner tunes by intervals.. So must be the right way..
If you ask your piano tuner to tune by tone and semitone he would be disgusted 😀
I usually go octaves by octaves, I will try adding the fifth from now on ^^ I like how you associate tuning with meditation haha could definitly be ! But at home I'm often lazzzzzy
Try, you'll like the fifth🤩😂! Be lazy in something else, not tuning😊it's your little sacrifice of the day which makes you a stronger and better (person) harpist!
Thank you for your videos, they are soo good. I learned to play piano 70 years ago on a piano that hadn't been tuned for long long time., so my ear has never been good. I started harp 2 years ago, from you tube. There are no other harpists in my small town, nearest harp store is more than 4 hours away. So it is teach myself. Do you think I can still train my 81 year old ear to tune by ear?
Go for it Lucille!!!!😃😃😃
What about the fact that you have to tune each 5th slightly flat or else
you will end up with a wide "wolf" 5th, as well as major 3rds that are
too wide? In your system, John Sheridan below is right--if you start
your tuning on the 4th scale degree of the major scale of the harp (Fb
on pedal harp and Ab on lever harp), you can tune all the strings in
open position in 5ths without having to engage any pedals or levers!
Yes, good point by John Sheridan, I didn't think of that! As with the tuning, I tune with 5ths, octaves, 4ths, full chords etc, so I adjust naturally🤓
The main point of the video was just to suggest not to tune in a scale, it's just impossible to get a decent tune with that...
@@chiarapedrazzettiarpatelie6470 Tuning by ear is a very interesting concept. What do you think it is about tuning up the scale with a tuner that has inferior results? Is it that each note ends up being slightly flat or sharp to the tuner, just enough to make bad intervals?
@@organist1982 It's more to get the "good habit" than the results that the tuner has. Sometimes tuners are not sensitive enough, sometimes they don't work, run out of battery etc. If you can both use tuner AND hearing the right intervals, you can reach the closest to perfect tuning that we can have in a non perfect tuning instrument🙄
@@chiarapedrazzettiarpatelie6470 Makes sense! I forgot that many harpists use the visual function on a tuner. When I've used a tuner, I usually use one that has tone generation and use that function instead, because I trust my ears in matching pitch more than a visual meter.
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Salve Chiara! Ho una domanda. According to your suggestion, tuning by stacking perfect 5th up like FCGDAEB, then scaling CDEFGABC, F gets a little bit low frequency so called Pythagoras comma or wolf. How do you solve the problem? I would like to know how you practically tune on lever.
Ciao! Devo cancellare questo video e farne un altro...
Comunque: lavoro per 5te ma controllo poi sempre con l'ottava e la terza per trovare un compromesso...spero di essere stata... chiara :-D
Ho capito, grazie. Aspetto il tuo porossimo video! Ciao ciao!
I tune in fifths too. If you start on the 4th degree of the scale (F for pedal harp, A-flat for lever harp tuned in E-flat), you can get all the way around the circle of fifths without any tritones. (Actually, I start on B for pedal harp or D for lever harp and go up by fourths and down an octave; but it's the same idea). Love your videos!
Thanks for the tip, I didn't think of that😂it surely makes things easier!
So cool!! Its like the tuning of the indian Tanpura
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Hi, first I would like to congratulate youi for your very instructional vídeos.
Now about the subject, I have 2 doubts that I would apprreciate if you could clarify it for me.
On the pedal harp did I understand correctly that we should first tune a note in all octaves and only then go to a 5th up interval and also tune it in all octaves first before we go an 8th down interval and tune it also in all octaves and proceed the same way to all remaining notes?
2- when it arrives to tune the Bb note we should lock first the F pedal on natural position and then tune the Bb?
Thanks for your help, I'm also new to harp learning from youtube.
Hi, sorry for answering only now!
To answwer your question: tune by intervals, preferably 5th, 4ths and octaves. Never in a scale. If you do F, C-C G D-D etc you don't have to change the pedals. Always check with an arpeggio though to make sure the thirds are ok.
...Best of all, get a teacher, at least for the first few lessons!
On the first day of harp instruction, I was taught to tune by interval. You are SOOOOO right. I was also taught that if you only follow the electronic turner, the high octaves and low octaves will be out of tune.
Well done to your instructor! About the octave, I've never noticed that, but it's true that I've always tuned with a big help of the ear, more than the tuner...
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