34:40 Natasha makes a great point here that the ICJ has now trashed the Oslo Accords - and, I would say, along with it any reason to believe that an agreement between Palestinians and Israel would ever be honored. And I don’t mean by the parties themselves, though we’ve already seen the Palestinians abrogate every agreement they’ve entered into with Israel, but by the UN itself! Why would Israel agree to a two state solution now? Who would they trust to enforce the agreement? Certainly not the ICJ!!! I was also glad to hear Natasha say that she’s never heard anyone advance an argument as to why ute possidetus juris should not apply in the case of Israel. I haven’t either. If anyone knows of any Palestinian legal experts who have even talked about it, please post a link. As far as I can tell, it’s a solid argument that the UN and Palestinian leaders simply choose to ignore. Perhaps that’s a tactic, their thinking being that acknowledging it in any way (even critically) will bring more attention to it.
Judge Sebitunde absolutely nailed it with her dissenting opinion and her reference to the rule of uti possidetis as justification for determining that all of Mandate Palestine is Israeli territory. Why, oh, why, didn't she drive it home by declaring that the ICJ has no jurisdiction to recognise a situation brought about by aggressive war waged by Egypt and Jordan upon Israel from 1948?
@@MichaelPetek because the jurisdictional question was whether it was within ICJ jurisdiction to respond to a request from the General Assembly for an advisory opinion on the legality of settlements. And she decided it was - as did the other justices. However, she believes the court should have exercised its discretion and declined the request because it contained within its formulation a bunch of presuppositions which the court could not (or would not) properly investigate or validate. Therefore any answer the court gave would be misleading or inaccurate if any of the presuppositions were false. And that’s exactly the situation now. This was clearly a political move on the part of the General Assembly, cleverly contrived to enroll the ICJ in providing legal validation for their bogus and biased claims against Israel. We already see the media reporting this as a “ruling”, which it is not. Very few say anything about Sabutinde’s dissenting opinion, despite it being replete with examples of why the majority opinion is bollocks. This is quite the propaganda coup for Palestinians.
@@garypuckering7458 The General Assembly itself has no power from the Charter to recognise a situation brought about by the use of force in violation of the Charter of the UN or of peremptory norms of international law that prohibit wars of aggression.
@@MichaelPetek UN Charter article 10 says "The General Assembly may discuss any questions or any matters within the scope of the present Charter or relating to the powers and functions of any organs provided for in the present Charter, and, except as provided in Article 12, may make recommendations to the Members of the United Nations or to the Security Council or to both on any such questions or matters." Article 12 says the GA can't discuss things already under discussion within the Security Council. Article 1 says the purposes of the UN are: 1. To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace; 2. To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace; 3. To achieve international co-operation in solving international problems of an economic, social, cultural, or humanitarian character, and in promoting and encouraging respect for human rights and for fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion; and 4. To be a centre for harmonizing the actions of nations in the attainment of these common ends. I fail to see how the situation vis a vis settlements in the West Bank does not fall within the scope of the UN Charter. Please elaborate on your rationale.
@@garypuckering7458 What is beyond the powers of any organ of the UN is the recognition of a situation brought about by the aggressive use of force. See Article 40 of the Draft Articles on the Responsibility of States for Internationally Wrongful Acts 2001. The use of armed force in a manner amounting to aggression (Article 2(4) of the UN Charter) is prohibited by peremptory norms of international law. Any treaty, not excluding the UN Charter, is void in whole: "if, at the time of its conclusion, it conflicts with a peremptory norm of general international law. For the purposes of the present Convention [Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties 1969], a peremptory norm of general international law is a norm accepted and recognized by the international community of States as a whole as a norm from which no derogation is permitted and which can be modified only by a subsequent norm of general international law having the same character."
@@yarongita She’s really not. She was still propagating the lies about pregnant woman having foetus cut out, mass slaughter of children, and systemic mass rape long after these lies had been debunked. She’s a genocide denier and shill for the Israeli regime.
Demand ICJ and UN to read the ancient Torah which lays out 613 laws for Jews to live by, including the Ten Commandments. The world has to accept the right for Israelis to live on their God-given biblical land . In a legal and archaeological perspective the evedidance is simply overwhelming and undeniably indisputable .
She's qualified enough to have an opinion. And it's not like opinions are predetermined by how many facts one knows about a subject. One also has to have good judgement as well.
@@ruffryder13 she’s smart enough to cook up a reasonable argument. That is all. Fact show that the government of Israel is practicing a system of apartheid that is illegal under international law. Those same laws that Israel is famously known to try and skirt around in order to somehow try and justify their decades long occupation. Occupation, by law is supposed to be temporary until order can be restored. South Africa was able to show the ICJ that because of the amount of money that Israel has invested in their illegal settlements, as well as the highway construction around them , the occupation is not a temporary measure, but a permanent one. That is why the court has ordered Israel to end their illegal occupation as soon as reasonably possible. I’m not going to continue to argue with anyone who disputes what I’ve said. Take it up with the ICJ. It is their ruling.
@@DrumguyCiv It's clear from your first comment that you deny the possibility that anyone other than the ICC themselves could criticize their own ruling. No one has their credentials, so any disagreement is a priori wrong. That's a preposterous claim and shows you aren't rationally thinking through the subject. And then when challenged, you just say "nah, nah, nah, talk to the ICC" with you fingers in your ears. It's very immature.
@@ruffryder13 for one thing , you mention the wrong court. It’s the ICJ who has made the ruling. What I’m saying in my first comment is that you all seem to think that a lawyer can overrule what the judges of the world’s highest court has ruled upon. Lawyers argue cases to a judge not overrule what a judge has said. That is why I say that I’m not going to argue with comments saying that Natasha has an argument. There is no argument to be made once a judgment has been reached. Take your” immature” comment and direct it at someone else.
@@DrumguyCiv ICC was a typo. Was "lawyers can't overrule a judge's ruling" a typo? What ruling? Who claimed that was actually occuring? Do you know what day it is?
“Israeli soldiers describe the near-total absence of firing regulations in the Gaza war, with troops shooting as they please, setting homes ablaze, and leaving corpses on the streets - all with their commanders’ permission.” - 972 Magazine (Israeli web site)
Bikerd, Islamer J.had is anathema to God and life. My Hebrew name Jacova is the female form of Jacob. I was born March 11th in Bethlehem decades ago. God is my Father and rabbi. God nor Archangel Gabriel were on metaphorical speed dial for sex slave tips, bathroom tips, animal sex tips, rape tips and lunacy. Muhammad thought he could subjugate God and every soul on earth to his perversions and hate. He was obsessed with Hell for a reason. God spoke fifty sentences to me from above over nine years time span. His first nine sentences were 8.4.2015 in the morning. Since then I have told people and timestamped many prescient visions that came true. 11.17.2015 Eve Beach Waikiki early evening. I couldn't find a book reading so I sat under the stars alone. God asked me, What side of the blade are you on. I answered, The side of the righteous my words are my sword. He then showed me my ascension to Heaven. He said, Make Israel one. You are anchor. God's last sentence to me was four years ago after months. He said, You are Princess Messenger of God. In Aramaic, it's Amira Malaka Elah. The latest sign I asked God for was the big solar flare for May 11th Aurora Borealis . I'll pray for you in Hebrew. Ahava Adonai Ahava Israel Elehenu Adonai Hashem. Baruch Hashem. One of God's names in Hebrew Hashem means The Name. Sincerly, Jacova 11 Gevurah born March 11th in Bethlehem. The backwater of Jerusalem. God's covenant with Jacob stands. Sincerly, Jacova Adonistan.
Who started the war? Hamas. How long has Hamas had effective control over Gaza? Since 2005. What did Hamas choose to do for the people of Gaza? Make them human shields in the war of annihilation against Israel - no bomb shelters, only tunnels to protect Hamas terrorists. "B. said that it was difficult to distinguish civilians from combatants in Gaza, claiming that members of Hamas often “walk around without their weapons.” “There was intelligence that Hamas wanted to create panic”
I just googled Ocuppied Territories and read that Israel absorbed East Jerusalem in 1980. Can anyone explain what Natashas understanding is as to the status of East Jerusalem?
“Israeli settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and the regime associated with them, have been established and are being maintained in violation of international law,” President Nawaf Salam said, reading the findings of a 15-judge panel. The court said Israel’s obligations include paying restitution for harm and “the evacuation of all settlers from existing settlements”.
Her stand, which I agree with, is that according to real international law (not the fiction that some people like to quote), Israel is sovereign from the river to the sea, minus any territory that it has negotiated in agreement. The Oslo agreement gave the Palestinians controlled over certain areas. Of course, as the Palestinian continue to defile this agreement they lose this control.
@@gkappa4085 This claim cannot stand, especially as numerous settlements beyond the 1949 Armistice lines existed *before* Jordan's annexation of 1949-1967 (e.g. Gush Etzion, founded 1943), and numerous towns and cities there had Jewish residents also prior even to the Balfour Declaration. Was anybody accusing Jews of breaking international law for living in the eastern part of Jerusalem during the late 19th century? Because Jerusalem had re-obtained a Jewish majority by around 1860.
Does anyone really care about international law apart from a few lawyers. Israel, Hamas , The United States of America, the United Kingdom don't pay any attention to international law. The court was asked for an opinion, which it gave. One may not agree with the opinion but insulting the President of the court is not the method of discussion I would expect from a UK barrister. I don't believe in the UK part of a barrister's training is to insult a judge if you don't like his/her opinion. The comment "Well he's from Lebanon" is also said in a derogatory manner. Such comments are extremely unprofessional.
@@ruffryder13 I am not from the ICC but I believe people should be honest. One is always hopeful that people on RUclips will be honest. Unfortunately this is not always the case. Ms. Hausdorff's has put forward opinion as fact which is not being really honest. While Ms Hausdorff is entitled to her opinion she should preface her remarks with " In my opinion". There are many people who would share Ms Hausdorff's opinions but opinion is not fact. Ms Hausdorff. has in the past maintained that people protesting against the bombing of Gaza are taking part in "hate marches" and are anti-Semitic. This is incorrect. She maintains that anyone who is anti Zionist is also an antisemite. Many Jews and some Rabbi's are anti Zionist but they are not anti Semitic. Ms Hausdorff claimed recently that many Jews were leaving the UK because they felt it was an unsafe country for Jews. There is no proof whatsoever that "many Jews" are leaving the UK. Not everyone who disagrees with Israeli policy is anti- Semitic. I , myself do not agree with every decision or statement that the Israeli government may make. I am not now and have never been anti- Semitic. The conflict in Israel is complex, and finding a solution is not going to be easy. While we would all hope for a peaceful solution we should remember that both sides in the conflict will need to stop the violence and violent rhetoric to find a solution.
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34:40 Natasha makes a great point here that the ICJ has now trashed the Oslo Accords - and, I would say, along with it any reason to believe that an agreement between Palestinians and Israel would ever be honored. And I don’t mean by the parties themselves, though we’ve already seen the Palestinians abrogate every agreement they’ve entered into with Israel, but by the UN itself! Why would Israel agree to a two state solution now? Who would they trust to enforce the agreement? Certainly not the ICJ!!!
I was also glad to hear Natasha say that she’s never heard anyone advance an argument as to why ute possidetus juris should not apply in the case of Israel. I haven’t either. If anyone knows of any Palestinian legal experts who have even talked about it, please post a link. As far as I can tell, it’s a solid argument that the UN and Palestinian leaders simply choose to ignore. Perhaps that’s a tactic, their thinking being that acknowledging it in any way (even critically) will bring more attention to it.
Judge Sebitunde absolutely nailed it with her dissenting opinion and her reference to the rule of uti possidetis as justification for determining that all of Mandate Palestine is Israeli territory.
Why, oh, why, didn't she drive it home by declaring that the ICJ has no jurisdiction to recognise a situation brought about by aggressive war waged by Egypt and Jordan upon Israel from 1948?
@@MichaelPetek because the jurisdictional question was whether it was within ICJ jurisdiction to respond to a request from the General Assembly for an advisory opinion on the legality of settlements. And she decided it was - as did the other justices. However, she believes the court should have exercised its discretion and declined the request because it contained within its formulation a bunch of presuppositions which the court could not (or would not) properly investigate or validate. Therefore any answer the court gave would be misleading or inaccurate if any of the presuppositions were false. And that’s exactly the situation now.
This was clearly a political move on the part of the General Assembly, cleverly contrived to enroll the ICJ in providing legal validation for their bogus and biased claims against Israel. We already see the media reporting this as a “ruling”, which it is not. Very few say anything about Sabutinde’s dissenting opinion, despite it being replete with examples of why the majority opinion is bollocks.
This is quite the propaganda coup for Palestinians.
@@garypuckering7458 The General Assembly itself has no power from the Charter to recognise a situation brought about by the use of force in violation of the Charter of the UN or of peremptory norms of international law that prohibit wars of aggression.
@@MichaelPetek UN Charter article 10 says "The General Assembly may discuss any questions or any matters within the scope of the present Charter or relating to the powers and functions of any organs provided for in the present Charter, and, except as provided in Article 12, may make recommendations to the Members of the United Nations or to the Security Council or to both on any such questions or matters."
Article 12 says the GA can't discuss things already under discussion within the Security Council.
Article 1 says the purposes of the UN are:
1. To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace;
2. To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;
3. To achieve international co-operation in solving international problems of an economic, social, cultural, or humanitarian character, and in promoting and encouraging respect for human rights and for fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion; and
4. To be a centre for harmonizing the actions of nations in the attainment of these common ends.
I fail to see how the situation vis a vis settlements in the West Bank does not fall within the scope of the UN Charter. Please elaborate on your rationale.
@@garypuckering7458 What is beyond the powers of any organ of the UN is the recognition of a situation brought about by the aggressive use of force.
See Article 40 of the Draft Articles on the Responsibility of States for Internationally Wrongful Acts 2001.
The use of armed force in a manner amounting to aggression (Article 2(4) of the UN Charter) is prohibited by peremptory norms of international law. Any treaty, not excluding the UN Charter, is void in whole:
"if, at the time of its conclusion, it conflicts with a peremptory norm of general international law. For the purposes of the present Convention [Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties 1969], a peremptory norm of general international law is a norm accepted and recognized by the international community of States as a whole as a norm from which no derogation is permitted and which can be modified only by a subsequent norm
of general international law having the same character."
An absolutely brilliant mind. Natasha is an amazing scholar and presenter of international law.
😂😂😂 because she says you want you want to hear.
@@iftinaxmad781 no, because she said what I KNOW to be true
@@iftinaxmad781because she deals in facts
@@FreeSpeechThoughtshe was hired by the Israeli government to find ways to get around international law.
@@yarongita She’s really not. She was still propagating the lies about pregnant woman having foetus cut out, mass slaughter of children, and systemic mass rape long after these lies had been debunked. She’s a genocide denier and shill for the Israeli regime.
Great analysis... the hollowing out of potentially great institutions continues
Natasha is brilliant as always.
Hey eyebrows aren't brilliant.
Beauty with brains. Am Yisrael Chai 🙏 🇮🇱 💙 🇲🇾
Natasha formidable as ever
All of proves to me the Word of God is TRUTH.
@@AnthonyTolhurst-dw1nc grow up
She is credible and trustworthy, I feel I don't need to fact check anything she says.
Listen to Natasha when this bumbling male takes a breath. Impressive xx
🇮🇱❤️🇮🇱
Demand ICJ and UN to read the ancient Torah which lays out 613 laws for Jews to live by, including the Ten Commandments. The world has to accept the right for Israelis to live on their God-given biblical land . In a legal and archaeological perspective the evedidance is simply overwhelming and undeniably indisputable .
Please grow up
😅😅😅😅😅
@gkappa4085 Sorry that you are so ignorant.
Is the invisible magic man in the sky a real estate dealer?
Natasha seems to think she knows international law better than the judges who make up the rules of international law. How is that so?
She's qualified enough to have an opinion. And it's not like opinions are predetermined by how many facts one knows about a subject. One also has to have good judgement as well.
@@ruffryder13 she’s smart enough to cook up a reasonable argument. That is all. Fact show that the government of Israel is practicing a system of apartheid that is illegal under international law. Those same laws that Israel is famously known to try and skirt around in order to somehow try and justify their decades long occupation. Occupation, by law is supposed to be temporary until order can be restored. South Africa was able to show the ICJ that because of the amount of money that Israel has invested in their illegal settlements, as well as the highway construction around them , the occupation is not a temporary measure, but a permanent one. That is why the court has ordered Israel to end their illegal occupation as soon as reasonably possible. I’m not going to continue to argue with anyone who disputes what I’ve said. Take it up with the ICJ. It is their ruling.
@@DrumguyCiv It's clear from your first comment that you deny the possibility that anyone other than the ICC themselves could criticize their own ruling. No one has their credentials, so any disagreement is a priori wrong.
That's a preposterous claim and shows you aren't rationally thinking through the subject.
And then when challenged, you just say "nah, nah, nah, talk to the ICC" with you fingers in your ears. It's very immature.
@@ruffryder13 for one thing , you mention the wrong court. It’s the ICJ who has made the ruling. What I’m saying in my first comment is that you all seem to think that a lawyer can overrule what the judges of the world’s highest court has ruled upon. Lawyers argue cases to a judge not overrule what a judge has said. That is why I say that I’m not going to argue with comments saying that Natasha has an argument. There is no argument to be made once a judgment has been reached. Take your” immature” comment and direct it at someone else.
@@DrumguyCiv ICC was a typo.
Was "lawyers can't overrule a judge's ruling" a typo? What ruling? Who claimed that was actually occuring?
Do you know what day it is?
God gave the land as an inheritance to the Jewish people. That's the end of the conversation
Please grow up. G-d os not a real estate agent and it is completely disrespectful to treat him as such.
What happens if you don't believe in God? How can an atheist accept your DUMB argument
God gave the land to the Jews , I don't think so. Maybe he gave the land to the dinosaurs first. Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
“Israeli soldiers describe the near-total absence of firing regulations in the Gaza war, with troops shooting as they please, setting homes ablaze, and leaving corpses on the streets - all with their commanders’ permission.” - 972 Magazine (Israeli web site)
Have you ever been in a war?
@@yarongita no
Bikerd, Islamer J.had is anathema to God and life. My Hebrew name Jacova is the female form of Jacob. I was born March 11th in Bethlehem decades ago. God is my Father and rabbi.
God nor Archangel Gabriel were on metaphorical speed dial for sex slave tips, bathroom tips, animal sex tips, rape tips and lunacy.
Muhammad thought he could subjugate God and every soul on earth to his perversions and hate. He was obsessed with Hell for a reason.
God spoke fifty sentences to me from above over nine years time span. His first nine sentences were 8.4.2015 in the morning. Since then I have told people and timestamped many prescient visions that came true.
11.17.2015 Eve Beach Waikiki early evening. I couldn't find a book reading so I sat under the stars alone.
God asked me, What side of the blade are you on. I answered, The side of the righteous my words are my sword. He then showed me my ascension to Heaven. He said, Make Israel one. You are anchor.
God's last sentence to me was four years ago after months. He said, You are Princess Messenger of God. In Aramaic, it's Amira Malaka Elah.
The latest sign I asked God for was the big solar flare for May 11th Aurora Borealis .
I'll pray for you in Hebrew. Ahava Adonai Ahava Israel Elehenu Adonai Hashem. Baruch Hashem. One of God's names in Hebrew Hashem means The Name.
Sincerly, Jacova 11 Gevurah born March 11th in Bethlehem. The backwater of Jerusalem.
God's covenant with Jacob stands.
Sincerly, Jacova Adonistan.
Who started the war? Hamas. How long has Hamas had effective control over Gaza? Since 2005. What did Hamas choose to do for the people of Gaza? Make them human shields in the war of annihilation against Israel - no bomb shelters, only tunnels to protect Hamas terrorists.
"B. said that it was difficult to distinguish civilians from combatants in Gaza, claiming that members of Hamas often “walk around without their weapons.”
“There was intelligence that Hamas wanted to create panic”
@@ipauls47 you kind avoided the main thrust of the quote!
I just googled Ocuppied Territories and read that Israel absorbed East Jerusalem in 1980. Can anyone explain what Natashas understanding is as to the status of East Jerusalem?
“Israeli settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and the regime associated with them, have been established and are being maintained in violation of international law,” President Nawaf Salam said, reading the findings of a 15-judge panel.
The court said Israel’s obligations include paying restitution for harm and “the evacuation of all settlers from existing settlements”.
Her stand, which I agree with, is that according to real international law (not the fiction that some people like to quote), Israel is sovereign from the river to the sea, minus any territory that it has negotiated in agreement. The Oslo agreement gave the Palestinians controlled over certain areas. Of course, as the Palestinian continue to defile this agreement they lose this control.
@@gkappa4085 what law are they in violation of?
@@gkappa4085 This claim cannot stand, especially as numerous settlements beyond the 1949 Armistice lines existed *before* Jordan's annexation of 1949-1967 (e.g. Gush Etzion, founded 1943), and numerous towns and cities there had Jewish residents also prior even to the Balfour Declaration. Was anybody accusing Jews of breaking international law for living in the eastern part of Jerusalem during the late 19th century? Because Jerusalem had re-obtained a Jewish majority by around 1860.
The Israeli government needs to respect international law.
Ether the court lies or you?
Does anyone really care about international law apart from a few lawyers. Israel, Hamas , The United States of America, the United Kingdom don't pay any attention to international law.
The court was asked for an opinion, which it gave. One may not agree with the opinion but insulting the President of the court is not the method of discussion I would expect from a UK barrister.
I don't believe in the UK part of a barrister's training is to insult a judge if you don't like his/her opinion.
The comment "Well he's from Lebanon" is also said in a derogatory manner.
Such comments are extremely unprofessional.
Didnt realize there was someone from the ICC in the comments. No wonder you're so sensitive.
@@ruffryder13 I am not from the ICC but I believe people should be honest.
One is always hopeful that people on RUclips will be honest. Unfortunately this is not always the case.
Ms. Hausdorff's has put forward opinion as fact which is not being really honest.
While Ms Hausdorff is entitled to her opinion she
should preface her remarks with " In my opinion".
There are many people who would share Ms Hausdorff's opinions but opinion is not fact.
Ms Hausdorff. has in the past maintained that people protesting against the bombing of Gaza are taking part in "hate marches" and are anti-Semitic. This is incorrect.
She maintains that anyone who is anti Zionist is also an antisemite. Many Jews and some Rabbi's are anti Zionist
but they are not anti Semitic.
Ms Hausdorff claimed recently that many Jews were leaving the UK because they felt it was an unsafe country for Jews. There is no proof whatsoever that "many Jews" are leaving the UK.
Not everyone who disagrees with Israeli policy is anti- Semitic. I , myself do not agree with every decision or statement that the Israeli government may make.
I am not now and have never been anti- Semitic.
The conflict in Israel is complex, and finding a solution is not going to be easy. While we would all hope for a peaceful solution
we should remember that both sides in the conflict will need to stop the violence and violent rhetoric to find a solution.