Shapeoko 5 Pro Desktop CNC Reaction - NO BELTS!?
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- In this video, we'll be discussing the new Shapeoko 5 Pro, which comes with a lot of new features. We'll also be talking about what this means for the rest of the desktop CNC market. Be sure to check out this video to learn all about the new Shapeoko 5 Pro release! carbide3d.com/blog/introducin...
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Andy, trying to get into the CNC game. In light of the 5 pro just released, your thoughts on spending $3k for the Pro XXL vs $5k for the 5 Pro as a FIRST cnc? I am the one you would call a complete newb. ZERO experience (though I do have a touch of common sense).
Do you know if the redENERGY G4 EP-Z Pulsed Fiber Laser can be mounted where the router/ spindle is fixed? I'm also curious about mounting a 3D printing extruder on the Shapeoko if it's possible, love to hear back! Great vids!!!
Just purchased the Shapeoko 5... with the VFD. Big price point, I know, but with the $750+ and the support and the amount of time I will be running it plus the lower decibels, I feel it will be worth it to me. Thank you, Andy, for your content!
You won't be disappointed. That's a great setup 👌
As a CNC machinist, seeing these types of changes in the desktop market is awesome. No more spending 40k+ for a decent machine. Great video!
It's amazing what these machines are capable of at the price point! With that being said, let's not be fooled into thinking that this machine will have the same performance as a 40k or even 10k machine
Yes but this also brings a ton of saturation to which isn't good. I rather have the machines at $20K because many couldn't afford them leaving the market wide open for big profits!! This market will be destroyed in the next 5 years!
@@GDISinc so innovate. Bless your heart.
I have been using my Shapeoko 3 XXL for years now and have Loved it! My very first carve was a 3d police badge that took the entire table and 23hrs on the finish cut. But as you mentioned a palm router just isn't reliable enough. I've had 3 failures (not all the same brand), which is frustrating if it happens 12 hours into a 16 hour carve. I plan on buying the new Pro 5 and the VFD spindle and have no hesitation in doing so. I did notice someone commented about dust, and all I can say is, I use a Suck It dust boot and a Grizzly 2hp dust collector and have pretty much 0 dust. Thanks for the Video!
Your candor is a breath of fresh air. Keep up the great work!
I appreciate that. Thank you for watching.
I'm getting into the CNC business and this video helps a lot. Thanks!
All I can say right now is I’m super happy with my Shapeoko 4 xxl I bought a few years ago with the Dewalt palm Route, the only real problem I’m having is I don’t use it enough to get good at or comfortable with it. Other than that I’m still as happy as a tornado in a trailer park with my machine, lol 😂 I’ve done a few small upgrades to my Shapeoko like belt covers which really helped a lot with sawdust, my next upgrade will definitely be a new spindle. I’m just a garage hobbyist not a professional. Thanks for the video and thanks for not trying to sell the new Shapeoko 5, and thanks for only giving a honest opinion comparing all the models.
Ball screws is one of several reasons I bought my ShopSabre. I love seeing smaller machines bring industrial components to market. If I were looking, this would be the first on my list.
I agree! 👍
Where are you in Colorado?
You make great videos, I enjoy watching and learning from your research.
I originally started with shapeoko and learned numerous aspects of the machine. I since then moved up to another manufacturer I won’t mention (professor 2.3). I quickly sold that and now love my Axiom Cnc. But shapeoko was a great starter Cnc. Keep up the good work my friend 😊
I’m sure shapeoko with its new ball screws will be a hit.
Thank you for the feedback. Glad you're enjoying the content!
Andy, thanks for putting out quality content. I always look forward to your videos! I took the leap on the Shapeoko Pro a little over a year ago partially based on your videos. It's put out quality cuts, but I kinda do have my eye on the Avid as well. Being able to 4' wide pieces would be one less step. Decisions.
Thanks for the feedback! I love my Shapeoko Pro but there is no comparison between it and my Avid. They both have their place, just in completely different leagues.
Thanks for the video. I knew a desktop was going to be the starting point and was leaning towards the 1F at the time. There really wasn't any competition until 1F released their new version last year and that made the decision harder and more expensive. I had already decided that after a few years i was looking at either the Avid or Axiom and was lucky that an older gentlemen not far from me decided his CNC was a little to much for him and wanted to sell it. I ended up getting an Axiom AR8 Pro V5 with all its accessories for a great price, a machine that had less than 50 hours use. Yes i spent more than i planned but dont regret that in the least.
The quality of the Axiom and the AVID are certainly next level but i have to say i still believe the 1F would have been an excellent machine to start with and now it looks the new Shapeoko 5 will be similar.
I would love to put the 3 machines or 4 with the AVID side by side and do real comparison,
Cheers,
Andy
I have the Shapeoko 3 XXL for going on 3 years now right after I bought it they came out will all the new models and upgrades. with that being said I have paid off what I have spent to buy the CNC and I am still making money with it as a hobby some times bigger is not always needed. I guess its just how you look at it and if its is a business or a hobby. Thank you for your videos I lok forward to all your insight you do!
Hey thanks for watching! That's awesome that you're making money with your CNC! A lot of people have that dream and aren't there yet. Keep up the good work!
Great video! I'm glad you took the time to make it. When I saw the release, I thought about making a video, but honestly I just don't have any experience with Shapeoko to begin with. I think that gives you a better place to talk from. I think its just human nature to believe that the decision someone made with their money is the "best" decision. I fully agree that competition is a good thing and makes for more capable products that we get to enjoy. Maybe one day I'll get a spindle, but until then I'll keep screwing the dead routers to the wall lol.
Keep up the awesome work!
Thank you for this Hamilton. Keep up the great work yourself!
I have a Onefinity and it’s amazing runs so smooth and easy to upgrade if you want to make it wider and easy to setup.
There was other reason for buying the Onefinity , it’s Canadian and I support all Canadian made when I can and there local for me did not have to pay for shipping and if I need anything I can just drop by there shop.
Great videos I watch you all the time you have helped me on my cnc journey. Keep it up
CNC companies believe their product is better for “X, Y, and Z reason” 😂
Ha! Good catch!
Your comments about the router vs spindle is the exact reason I bought an i2R cnc over the onefinity. Also took me 5 minutes about 2 bolts to get the i2R up and running. Yeah it’s more expensive but you do get what you pay for in a CNC
I bought an X-Carve several years ago and it's more than paid for itself. I'm still using the same belts and same DeWalt Router than came with my machine. What I love most is that it's the 750mm model, which it the perfect size for my shop. WHile I would love to have a larger machine I just don't have the room. One thing that I know about my machine and most others out there is that there is a market full of upgrade possibilities for almost any machine. From rails to stepper motors to dust boots to spindles. If you want a better machine, there's probably someone out there making upgrades to improve on what you already own. As for the ala cart system that you mention, I didn't really find it all that complicated. You have to buy a router, which is also not included with the Shapeoko 5, and you need to buy a waste board, which is basically a sheet of MDF. You will need to buy bits but that's kind of a given with any machine. That 1/4" endmill encluded with the Shapeoko isn't going to get you very far. Just saying that add-ons are a thing for all CNC machines, not just the Onefinity. Inventables has made a cottage industry out of selling stock material, bits, and accessories. I do agree though that the more players there are in the desktop space, the better it is for the consumer in general. More choices, better tech, and more bang for the buck.
You hit it exactly Andy. As a complete novice, I went with 1F not only for the ball screws but the ease of setup as well. As for the buffet style of ordering, I liked that I could buy the machine then add what I wanted/needed. I was also sold on Vectric Vcarve which I got through 1F at a discount. All in to get started, I was just under 3K for my 1F Woodworker and Vcarve Pro. I just do this as a hobby. Not really looking to build a business like you are.
Hey Matt! Thanks for sharing. 3k is less than I had figured. What is your setup look like?
@@AndyBirdBuilds ruclips.net/user/MattMadeIt123
You can see my setup in several of my videos. Would be easier if I could just post a pic here. BTW- If this is bad etiquette posting a link to my channel let me know and I'll delete this post.
@@AndyBirdBuilds The woodworker is a smaller and cheaper machine
@@AndyBirdBuilds The journeyman is the one that you considered. I got it and the price after all was accounted for was right there with your estimate.
I priced out a 1F Journeyman, V-carve pro and a 2.2kw 220v water cooled spindle including the 80mm mount with touch probe at $4125.00. I am waiting on a response from Shapeoko about using that same spindle they do have the 80mm mount and the z axis is said to be beefy enough to handle it. I am wondering about the x, y, and gantry is ok with it. I am not sure the 1.2 spindle they offer is beefy enough and it cost more than 2 times the one I specked out. LOVE the 4 x 4 footprint with feed through.
I've got a 4x4 Shapeoko 5 Pro coming in April with the VFD. It will do what I need to do and doesn't need a forklift to move. It has the most for $$$ and free shipping to Canada.
Yes I will be buying shapeoko 5 pro 4x2 in July with the spindle for it
Awesome! Here is a link. shop.carbide3d.com/andybirdbuilds
Competition is good! I see Onefinity just released a new 48" x 48" with closed loop steppers as a response.
This is really a helpful video. I've been trying to make a decision and I've looked at a lot of machines. I had the same concern about the onefinity pricing. Especially at the stage I'm in not being certain yet about what I do and don't need. I also like the Carbide software. Leaning towards the 5 pro, close to a decision, and this was helpful. Thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
I want to say I truly appreciate you letting me know and use your knowledge of CNC. I do not own a machine, and am totally reliant on the internet to gain knowledge on what is the smart way to go with my first CNC. I've spent several hours researching this one and that one, and still don't know what I'm doing. I'm looking at the New Wave Shark HD520, as well as watching your videos. Again, thanks for your insights. I do have a concern with what router will work with what machine? I have a dewalt 618 and I know it will work on the New Wave, according to Rockler.
I own a shapeoko 3 xl and yes I will be buying a 5 pro 4x2 machine in the near future. Shapeoko is not just a CNC manufacturer they truly are a community. they are always making videos showing ideas for their machines and they have endless ideas in the forums. I like most of the stories online about how shapeoko takes care of issues outside of warranty sometimes and they back their product. I dont think they are playing catch up to onefinity as they have had the nomad for years.
Good point about the spindle I haven’t heard. Don’t know much about VFD Spindles except $$$$.
How long can they be expected to last.
Would love to buy one but will wait a year or so.... That way they work out the kinks with it being new and not have to wait 4 months for it to arrive as I did on my xxl pro 4
Appreciated the information in your video. I have a question about alternatives to palm routers. Is the only option for the Shapeoko 5 pro their VFD spindle or do you have other suggestions. I noticed Onefinity offers a mount for 80mm but did not see that with the Shapeoko. Thanks for any help you can give.
My first CNC was a shapeoko. Then I bought an Onefinity and the user experience is such an improvement. Shapeoko is forever trying to catch up. I dont have the experience with the new shapeoko to say if they have finally made a machine that stacks up to the onefinity, but it would surprise me.
User experience how? Can you be more specific for those of us trying to decide on first CNC. Thanks.
@@kenashton32 Well off the top of my head,, the onefinity goes together really simply. Its 3 pieces. And The ability to move the router using a gamepad makes it sooooo much better. The newest models have the masso controller which sends feedback from the stepper motors so that it knows exactly where it is.
Andy tells us the limiting factor of our cnc’s are the trim routers we use…then sits in front of his cnc with a trim router in the spindle mount.
Not all of us get freebie Avids with spindles Andy.
You’ve got a great channel and I watch almost all your stuff, especially the vids regarding the business aspects of running a hobbyist cnc. Keep up the good work.
Thanks. But both of those CNC's are belt driven. You missed the point. I said it doesn't make sense to put a trim router on a ballscrew driven machine.
@@AndyBirdBuilds agreed that it’s a weak point on my 1f but it’s a hobbyist machine and certainly not up to the same tasks as the spindle on the Avid or any of the other production grade machines. My opinion and what do I know. LOL.
I will say that I’ve beat my 1f like an old mule and it’s still going strong along with the Makita I put in it close to 18 months ago. I’m not a production shop like you but it’s been such a good investment that I’ve recently purchased a second unit. I would have looked seriously at the Shapeoko 5 if it’d been out.
Again great vid! Looking forward to the next one!
I own a Shapeoko Pro and I love it! That being said it took me nearly 4 months to get it working. The machine kept, what I call, timing out. The static in the room kept resetting the machine. While this was extremely frustrating, the even more frustrating experience was the Carbide 3d support staff. Getting anyone to answer a phone was like pulling teeth with NO Novocain! The constant emails back and forth just delayed the time it took to get the machine working. Finally, I gave up on getting a resolution from Carbide 3d. I have a good friend that is literally a "rocket scientist" with several Phd's come look at the machine and my shop. After 1 night he figured out the problem.
Wow, interesting comment about shapeoKo customer service
You mentioned using a vfd dedicated router, I assume that is not the $80 router but the $750 router. My question is I am just getting started, will my Dewalt 618 work with the 5 Pro or do I need to get their router with this machine?
My 5 Pro 4x4 will be delivered tomorrow. Wish me luck!
Awesome! Join our cnc community if you haven't yet. A lot of people with Shapeokos in there. discord.com/invite/26EDx3SS
Andy question Did you put your shapeoko 5 pro together your self. just wondering there are a lot of us that have bought the 5 and are having a lot of trouble assembling it and and figuring out where the mass of wires go
As someone who has run 5 Shapeoko belt driven machines, they work awesome and I have not had an issue I didn't cause myself. That said my SO5 Pro is on order with a spindle. We have a Shapeoko Pro at work and it continues to make parts for scientific experiments frequently. No reason to upgrade it as it fits our needs perfect.
As far as no machine changing the market more than the Onefinity, I kinda agree, but with the caveat that you go from after the release of the Shapeoko 3. It changed the market at it's time more than the OF did at it's release.
I completely agree that the router is the limiting factor. I would bog and stall the router before the motion system hit it's limitations.
One thing that is both the best aspect and the least talked about for the Shapeoko is the hybrid bed. With the structure/strength it adds and legitimately the best workholding as standard equipment of any non-vacuum table CNC router, it is easily the most important aspect. I had a Shapeoko 3 that I added an extrusion bed to. It was WAYYYYYY better that the SO3 factory wasteboard, but the hybrid bed is vastly superior to even that upgrade.
Thank you for sharing, Josh. That's a great point on the SO3. I agree with you on the belt drive other than the z-axis. On my SO3 I had so many issues with that but never on the XY.
@AndyBirdBuilds I will totally agree on the belt Z. I had it in my SO3. I had it working well, but the HDZ was so much better on it. That SO3 is still running strong for my friend. I sold it to him cheap so I could go visit it. :D
I do find this interesting, however after watching a few other videos on Onefinity, the user needed to put up "dust aprons" as the screws can get clogged. This gets me thinking back to motorcycles. When chains were starting to be replaced by shaft drives it was all the talk. However after a while the market went to belts (similar to chain) as was easier maintenance, less costly to fix, etc.
These are great points. In the official release of this cnc they do address that
Why is a spindle preferable to a palm router?
I bought the shapeoko5 4x4 Because I need the ability to cut up out cabinet parts from 4x8 sheets of plywood and also because this will be my third shapeoko starting with the3 and then the 4 and now the 5,my first shapeoko was bought in 2017 In all of those years I have not had a router failure
Thanks for sharing!
I prefer linear rails over tubes personally. Is the z axis more or less Onefinity vs Shapeoko?
I have used my Shapeoko pro for the last 1.5 years with no major issues. Never had a belt problem. I had other problems though and their customer service is top notch. My only complaint now is my bit zero doesn’t work anymore. The cutting area is now too small for my tastes. Oh my biggest complaint is it has a mind of its own and freeze up with machine running or cut air and not the wood.
Not sure if I can buy another Shapeoko product but the new size is tempting
Seems by the thumbnail, this makes you really really happy haha
Do you have issues with dust gunning up the ball screws? Onefinity owners complain about that due to their exposure, although the z axis on yours is also exposed
Like to see you review the new ratrig stronghold cnc
Soon you will be able to add automatic tool change to your table using your current VFD spindle at a fraction of the cost of an ATC spindle the Rapid Change tool racks will begin shipping July 4th 2023 if your interested I will get you one for review...
What do you think about MK2 longmill it is also using ball screws.
It uses lead screws actually, but they are talking about upgrading to ball screws soon.
I got mine Tuesday. So far it RIPS with the spindle kit!
200 IPM, 0.5" DOC, 0.2" stepover.... no problem
50 IPM, 0.75" DOC, 0.2" stepover....done
Great to hear! Thanks for sharing
impressed.
I reached out to Shapeoko in June to see what was coming down the pipeline. And of course, they couldn't divulge that information. I came from a Shapeoko 3XXL and a ProXXL. My two main requirements were to be 48" wide and NOT belt driven. Had I known this was coming back in June, I would have waited and plunked the money down. But now . . . I have an Avid Pro4848. For the money, the Shapeoko 5 is the absolute best deal. They are an incredible company with the absolute best support. But I'm now into a totally different league with the Avid.
Thanks for sharing your experience. You and I have the same exact machines.
Is a belt drive that bad? I actually waited until Black Friday for Carbide to announce deals. Even after knowing the 5 came out, I still purchased the Pro XXL. For me, the Pro XXL was a better deal. But everyone and their brother screams ball screws. So are the belts really bad? What makes them bad?
@@glenb1972 After a new install, they will stretch which means some slack will develop. So when you're cutting circles, they will come out as ovals. Very annoying. So- you tighten them. But this is where it gets ambiguous has to how tight. There are crazy posts out there that teach you how to measure the correct tension by snapping the belt and measuring the tension and sound of the oscillation. And I bet those techniques are correct although I never did them. I never had problems with my 3XXL after the initial retightening. But my Pro XXL, had to be retightened numerous times. And it cost me money for it to slip in the middle of a job. For me- it just happened too many times considering how much money I spent on the machine. And knowing that it was a weak link in the chain. This was just my personal history and there are many who did not have these problems.
@@CraigLafferty The Shapeoko 4 and Pro I had at home as well as the Pro at work have not needed a single belt adjustment in over a year between all 3. :)
And y did you put your 5 together i hope so I am looking for an answer of to wiring I need to know what set of wires from the right y rail goes across the gantry to left y rail Just so many wires that are not taged as to where they go. Thanks for what any help you can show me Jeff Peters
I don't have the Shapeoko 5. This video was released when they announced the new machine last fall
I guess I’ll take one of your old worn out Shapeoko’s since you’re upgrading.
I love love LOVE my 1F
Awesome! I know a lot of people that do!
Hi, looking to pull the trigger on my first CNC. Andy, are you still preferring Shapeoko 5 over the Onefinity "Elite Foreman"?
Glad to chat. Send me a message through my website andybirdbuilds.com
I have been waiting for this. I had the Onefinity all queued up in my cart and just waiting for shapeoko to make an update. For $3500 -$3700 (4x2, if you take router and upgraded dust shoe) they are on equal footing with price considering what's needed to get the onefinity up and running. The only thing I'm curious about.. build time on the new 5 pro?
I think a lot of people have been waiting for this. When it comes to build time, consider the Shapeoko comes with a full bed. The Onefinity does not. I believe your money goes further with Shapeoko 5 Pro than the Onefinity.
@@AndyBirdBuilds there is a lot going for the Shapeoko 5.. even something simple like it has led's built in
@@F4CreationsNJ Onefinity has 5 days of product announcements coming next week. You may want to wait to see what they come out with.
Kevin (at Carbide 3D) put one together (on Instagram) and he said it was way faster. It sounds like the X and Y assemblies are already completely done, wiring and everything. Just 2 connectors from the machine to the electronics box. So basically assemble the base of the hybrid bed, put on the Y assemblies, put on the X assembly, tighten/square, then install the hybrid bed.
So how do you think it compares to the X Carve Pro? It certainly is much cheaper but I'm not sure I can hold out till March. I have a 3 XXL but I now need something that is 4x4 minimum.
If you're looking at the price point of the X carve Pro you need to be looking at the Avid Pro 4848. It's in a different league of either of the machines to mentioned. You can also expand it from 4x4 to 4x8 when the time comes.
@@AndyBirdBuilds thanks! I’ve looked at the Avid but for the money I’d rather step up and get a Phantom 4x8. Lol, but now I’m looking at $18k (phantom 4x8) vs $4k (shapeoko 5 pro) or $9k (x carve pro) :)
OneFinity has announced some new announcements starting I think the week of Thanksgiving.
In your opinion how does the Shapeoko 5 Pro Desktop compare to the Next Wave SHARK HD520, Thanks!
I don't know anyone personally that runs the Shark. I know a lot of people that run a Shapeoko
How is a palm router not taking advantage of a ball screw system? You stated because it could fail sooner. That is broad opinion and changes with each brand of palm or dedicated router. When it comes down to it I would rather replace a palm rougher I can get down the street then wait a week for a belt. Or is it the spindle control with a dedicated that takes advantage of the accuracy of a ball screw system? Could you please clarify your statement?
It doesn't matter what brand router you're using, its not what its designed for. There is no speed control, you have to replace the brushes all the time, and overall durability is poor. Its not designed to be used this way. The workload is too much.
On the fence. Does Shapeoko have a cnc controller option like Onefinity?
It doesn't that I know of.
Reasoned arguments Andy. Pity we can’t experience the Shapeoko or Onefinity here in the UK. I have an Ooznest Workbee. To go to linear rails & ballscrews I’d need to buy an iTech machine, and around £6k !
I’ll have to look at the specs I have a 4’x4’ and I’d like to know what this one can do that mine can’t. I didn’t pay quite that much for mine.
What 4x4 do you have?
@@AndyBirdBuilds I have a Bob’s CNC KL744. So of course, their metal frame will be stronger than my plywood construction but you’d be surprised that it isn’t by much. And mine came as a kit but when it is assembled, it is ready to use. I only needed bits. I paid under $3500 for it. I think this one isn’t even considered when they’re comparing CNCs on the market. So maybe that is why they say what they say. But I can do anything most any other hobby level cncs can do. My CNC did come with a program but I didn’t like it. I use carbide 3d pro.
What's the difference between shapeoko 5 pro and XXL model?
They are all the Shapeoko 5 Pro but come in different bed sizes. The XXL is the largest
What are your thoughts on the Shapeoko 5 VS X-Carve Pro 4x4?
Shapeoko all day long. It's more machine for half the price.
@@AndyBirdBuilds I'm trying to see if there is anything that justifies the price of the X-Carve Pro. Its always been pricey but after the 5 Pro its an impossible proposition. Ordered the 5 Pro this morning. Hurry up April 11!
I would buy the shapeoko 5proin right now there was not aa 3month wait to get it if I do this will be the third shapeoko that I have owned.
+i purchased my shapeoko 4. 3 years ago I have gone through many belts and wheels. I have a concentric nut on one of my wheels that won't tighten the wheel. carbide sells them for not that much, but they want almost 40 usd to ship it to me. Also the new shapeoko is around 3700 you say that's cheap, but if your Canadian its over 5000 now its not so affordable
I said its cheap for the technology you're purchasing. Not that everyone has 4k laying around. Big difference.
@@AndyBirdBuilds
It would be nice if they made a retro kit to upgrade to ball and screw like they did with the z drive
Hey buddy, thanks to you I will be purchasing the Shapeoko 5 Pro! Quick question before I do... If it comes with the Bitsetter already, is there a real reason to buy the bitzero as well? Let me know your thoughts. Awesome content!!
Awesome! Although not 100% needed, the bitzero does make it faster and easier to set your initial xyz zeros. Whereas the bit setter makes tool changes during a job a lot easier. They have 2 different purposes. If you're going to order, you can place an order through my affiliate link if you'd like shop.carbide3d.com/andybirdbuilds
@@AndyBirdBuilds absolutely! Thank you for the input. I’ll be placing my order this weekend. Hopefully you benefit from it.
Thanks again.
Think I'm in on the Shapeoko 5. Saving my pennies.
Sweet! That's really exciting!! Let me know if you have any questions
As a hobbyist I plan to buy the onefinity because of the ease of set up, lack of continuous maintenance of the belts, ability to run without having a dedicated laptop connected, and the pause/resume function which does not require starting the carve from the beginning. Getting the most functionality out of the lead screw via spindle & vfd would be interesting and something to work towards eventually but in my opinion is not the highest priority in the list of functions and features that interest me most about the onefinity. I will be keeping my eye on the shapoeko 5 though as it seems to have potential and I would personally prefer to buy American made.
Thanks, Tom. Be sure to pay attention to Carbide 3D as they start releasing footage of the new Shapeoko 5. I've seen some stuff with setup and it looks like it goes together quick. In my experience, I don't think you're right about the maintenance of the belts although this is a non-factor on the Shapeoko 5. I've used my Shapeokos a lot have only adjusted the belts maybe 1 time a year and have never had to replace one. A really good place to get a feel for what actual users are dealing with their machines is the forums. Both OneFinity and Carbide 3D have active forums with active users. Hope this helps.
I have had 5 belt driven Shapeokos and I would say they had a lack of continuous maintenance. The Shapeoko 4 and Pro I had at home as well as the Pro at work have not needed a single belt adjustment in over a year between all 3. :)
@@iwannaratrod Thanks for sharing. I've experienced the same with my 2 Shapeokos
@@iwannaratrod that is great to hear, Josh!Just an issue that I have heard in other RUclips videos or posts. On the other hand, as well, I saw a post today saying the Shapeoko was actually more riding than the onefinity 🤷♂️. I’d be happy with either machine
Belts are the most underrated form of energy transfer in the modern world. They are superior to hard materials in many ways. They do not transfer vibrations, are virtually silent, have less backlash than gears, screws, and racks, are very accurate (repeatability to within 0.0001") and are usually cheap. Composite belts are ultra strong, and can move large loads for long periods without needing replaced.
I’m a belt guy. Toke awhile to find some love in these comments lol.
Yah.... I keep running into issues with my palm router on my Shapeoko.
Eventually I will buy a spindle.
Andy, what's your opinion on the Long mill MK2? It's a $1000 cheaper than the Onefinity.
When it comes to caliber of machine, the Longmill is below the Shapeoko and Onefinity. I consider it strictly a hobby grade machine
@@AndyBirdBuilds Okay, thanks for the reply Andy. 👍
@@AndyBirdBuilds Would love to see a direct comparison of these machines all running exactly the same. As you mentioned, a router essentially makes all of these hobby grade machines. The MK2 is an extremely rigid unit.
@@rasterthegrain1232 I would like to see that as well. Garrett from IDC woodcraft says the long mill MK2 is rigid as well. A side by side comparison would be great.
Probably going to let a few of these out in the wild first before pulling the trigger.
What material is shapeoko made out of?
Which part?
@@AndyBirdBuilds all of the main black body materials… is it anodized steel?
Think of buying the 4x4
Should i?
It's a great machine to begin with and has the capacity where you won't outgrow it quickly. shop.carbide3d.com/andybirdbuilds
How many different bits can shapeoko use
Shapeoko 5 Pro looks good, but there is genius in the Onefinity design that will make it hard to compete with by just improving conventional design. The biggest design flaw I see on all of these desktop machines is the Z axis that means you have to clamp the spindle far from the collet. It's not great for stiffness and it's not great for addons like a dust boot or an automatic tool changer. Luckily the Onefinity design is easy to DIY.
"Unlimited US based support" Ouch, but kind of expected. As for the Comparison, not sure I could agree with the way you present this brand new machine with all new features and not even tested yet. Compared to older machines, it had better be way better or why the heck bother making a new machine. As someone that wants to get into this not as a business to start, but perhaps down the line, I find your videos pretty informative. I will be looking into this new Machine and see what specs it has compared to the others for sure
Changed the market as eyefinity..... Try PrintNC. Look it up and start building your own CNC with specs equal or better than them.
I respect people that build their own CNC but a lot of people don't enjoy it. They just want to make things with their CNC. You can save money building your own but it takes more time. Time is money to a lot of people.
Hopefully Onefinity will step up to the plate and expand to a 4' x 4' Table very soon, which a lit if people have been begging for. It's one of the reasons I haven't brought a CNC yet. LOVE the Onefinity design but I WANT A 4x4 Table.
Onefinity isn't responding to their customers wants and needs. ☹️
Onefinity has a 48" X-rail but still the Y is 32". My guess is the next iteration will include a 48x48 machine. I like that I can upgrade to the 48" X-rail without buying a whole new machine if I choose to. Although that new X-rail ain't cheap.
@@MattMadeIt123 I think Onefinity is concerned about movement on the Y Axis from the weight of the Spindle. I have a solution I think that would work, but I'm sure they've already have a solution hopefully. 🙏 I need no less then 4x4 table, and happy Shapeoko isn't letting the competition rest on its past success. Can @Onefinity tell us if anything is in the works?? 🤔
@@theebalz I don't see spindle weight being an issue but hey, I'm not an engineer. (I saw a video where a guy stacked 50lbs. of weight on top of the 1F Woodworker X-rail and moved the spindle around. He claimed the machine was fine.) I'm just thinking that with the introduction of the 48" X-rail, a 48" Y is the next logical step. But an official statement from 1F would be nice.
@@MattMadeIt123 agreed. I'm sure they've already done one and have tested it, due to people asking for it. I've asked them if they have it for their future plans and was told no. This might help "motivate" them. It would surely dominate this segment of the market, if they were to hit the right price point in comparison to similar machines such as the new Shapeoko.
@mattmadeit @trentblazer One of my main questions is the Onefinity bed when it comes to both squareness and rigidity. A sheet of Mdf doesn't touch what Shapeoko includes in their stock package
The one thing I will give the shapeoko, is cable management, I would like to know can you run a 80mm spindle, do I have to keep a computer attached/wifi capable? motor size. I also Question how rigid the machine is. just from the pictures i doubt you could push it as hard as the 1f.
shop.carbide3d.com/collections/cnc-routers/products/shapeoko5?variant=40249287671869
I have the Pro XXl and yes Iam running a palm router I dont' like the brand it came with I would much prefer The Dewalt router. As far as size is concerned I use the vectric software and it offers tiling when necessary .I was hoping that they would have come up with a new wider X rail to make the cutting area so that I could cut a 48 piece of plywood My machine in new enough that I don't want to buy a new one I will continue to rip my plywood on my table saw.
Jeff Peters
Thank you for sharing, Jeff.
You never see belts on big production shop machines, they're either ball screws or rack and pinion. That's a clue.
I hated belts. Mine would always get loose mid-build.
This sounds very US centric. Is there anything similar made for EU markets? (Talking both machine manufacturers and videos here…) 😊
What will they do next?
YOU all decide! Start a write-in campaign for the feature you want. The features requested the most get traction! BE that squeaky wheel❗️👍🙂
Competition is a good thing for the consumer!
yea they got ball and screw now and the price reflects it. i got my sheapoko 3 xl for like 2k with a router. this one is 3500 bare bones. unless you need something ridged for faster aluminum milling its just not worth it. they need better table fastening systems vs this ball and screw stuff.
The Shapeoko 5 Pro comes with everything you need to get started other than a router. The hybrid table it comes with is first in class for a desktop CNC.
I'd buy a Onefinity cuz I'm lonely and need companionship every once in a while
I think you are somewhat wrong. Belt drive vs ballscrew is about accuracy and repeatability. Maybe your router burns after 3 months of use, but if you have ballscrews, you have good accuracy and repeatability for those 3 months of use. If I had to pick spindle on belt drive vs router on ballscrews, I'd pick router on ballscrews every day.
Thanks for the feedback. At the feeds and speeds you can run with a trim router, belt drive is as accurate as ball screws. Also, what happens to your repeatability when dust gets into your ballscrews because you don't have dust shields?
I have not had an issue keeping 0.005" tolerances on a Shapeoko Pro. Toolpath strategies, and endmills not being nominal control that more than the motions system. Theoretically a well adjusted belt has no backlash. Cheap ballscrews often have a bit of backlash.
@@iwannaratrodfinally a belt guy! What’s a good method for belt adjustment on a pro. I would like to hold tolerances as close to what you stated.
VHS vs Beta comes to minds. Beta was way better technology yet VHS won out simply due to people buying power.
That's a great comparison.
As soon as I have the money next tax season
Awesome!
So you sound like you wish you had a the OneFinity instead of Shapeoko. I'm looking at 1F 4'x 4' seems faster and better than Shapeoko overall.
No, I didn't say that. I like my Shapeokos
Come black Friday there are going to be a lot of Shapeoko 5 buyers asking for for refunds.
What makes you say that?
Elite/Masso!! 😮
the shapeoko 5 pro 4x2 is the same price as the onefinity Elite journeyman with close loop and Masso controller. I would go with the Onefinity.
It is right now, conveniently. But OF has said that price is for a limited time. The listed price is $800 more. 😳
@@AndyBirdBuilds go get it now Andy.
And the 1F table is another $600..
The reason i am screaming at my computer is that 50% of the video is done and you have literally said nothing of any use
It took carbide FOUR iterations to catch up, lol. and everyone who bought a carbide machine got screwed as they can't upgrade so every customer needs to buy a new machine, again. Everyone hated on me when I jumped ship, but 3 years later, they admitted ball screws where what's up.
In my opinion, I would say it took four iterations to pass OneFinity. Again, like I mentioned in the video, if you're using a trim router as your spindle it doesn't matter if you have belts or ball screws. The trim router is what's holding you back. Currently, OneFinity doesn't even offer a VFD.
Very biased statements. This is totally a Shapeoko marketing video.
Just sharing my experiences. Take it as you wish
@@AndyBirdBuilds it is not an experience if you have never used other cnc's . Good video on the product otherwise.
So many words.......
Don’t buy this machine. I just bought one. They sent it with an untested controller that was defective with a common problem that is plaguing their controller boards. They say they fixed the problem as of a few months ago but my board purchased a couple weeks ago had the same issue. The company themselves wrote blog posts on this issue talking about how much of a problem this has been for them. They are trying to push out more of these than they can handle to quickly. Their support is awful as well. They knew I was backed up on orders because of their delays after many email correspondence calls and voicemails. Despite saying they would overnight a controller I still haven’t even received so much as a shipping confirmation after almost a week of following up daily.
Save your frustration and money. Buy a more professional machine. If you’re trying to start a side business it will pay itself off in no time. Why spend thousands on a junk. They have great RUclips marketing but don’t be fooled!!
Do you buy power tools at harbor freight? Then don’t buy a shapeoko
Thanks for sharing your experience. This sounds very frustrating. I'd like to hear more about it. If you can, send me a message here. www.andybirdbuilds.com/contact
@@AndyBirdBuilds sounds good. Sent. Thank you
how much shapeoko pay you for this advertisement?
Zero. Did you watch the video? I clearly state this several times