Casey's INSANE IndyCar Honda VTEC, Rotary, Hyabusa, 2JZ, and LS engine swaps!
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- Опубликовано: 23 янв 2020
- Casey Putsch discusses VTEC, Rotary, Hyabusa, 2JZ, and LS engine swaps in INDY CAR! What engines work and what do not. How do you make a choice and why? MERCH BABY! www.redbubble.com/people/case...
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just wanted to comment early to say thank you so much for involving us and keeping it real on youtube :)
You got it brother!
Gotta love a Rotary sounds like your going a Million MPH actual speed pushing 20mph!
If you're going Honda why not hit up the BoostedBoiz? fellow RUclipsrs that make some areeeelly fast honda stuff. I bet they'd be down to be involved with this.
you aint boosted, you aint boost boi, you aint boosted like those boosted boiz.
I know Brent Leivestad from PFI Racing would love to help you out, he loves racing of all sorts and would definitely be able to teach you and the kids something about Honda performance and especially tuning the engines. He seems like an excellent guy, and I am sure would love to get more people out there making some power and racing.
I would love if someone calling themselves 'beef wellington' volunteered me for things via youtube comments using my and my companies real name because I really seemed to him like an excellent guy.
@@krustiestone1596 trust me brent would love to help check the guy out PFI Speed is his channel very loving and knowledgeable guy....
@@krustiestone1596 You do realize he has his own RUclips channel, with over 220k subs, but I am sure his secret is safe with you.
I like the K engine.
They’re easy to build to handle 500HP.
It can be built to handle 6-10 pounds of boost. It can legit be dang near bullet proof.
Bud Smokegood Yes 500 is the number he said he liked. And at 500 the engine will last a long time and be fairly reliable. 🤷🏼♀️
@Bud Smokegood that would be hilarious to go the D series route! 😂
They're great engines, that A6 is still a beast, as is the non-vtec DOHC ZC. Forged pistons and crank, revved to 8k, turbocharged to 500hp... they'll last year after year. I've known guys to build hill climb cars with them, engines lasting multiple seasons without more than routine maintenance.
There is British company Radical they make race cars, and building v8 engines from 2 Hayabusa 4 stroker 500hp na from 3.5L.
I was going to say this too. Unfortunately they are very high maintenance engines.
@@a7i20ci7y 1000hp k24/4g63t to the rescue
There's also Hartley Enterprises in the US, but their engines are extremely expensive.
Yes but the engine cost 30K
@@ristekostadinov2820 very big difference between an engine that needs to run flat out for 10 sec and 10 min. drag engines Ara cool and all but are trash compared to actual engines in race cars. even time attack cars are only capable of a couple laps at a time.
Regarding wankel engines; you can always buy smaller units that aren’t the relatively tall Mazda Wankel engines.
There’s a company out in the UK called AIE who are producing their own design of single and twin rotor wankel engines that are much smaller and much more efficient than the existing Mazda-made units.
People have put their larger naturally-aspirated 120HP single-rotor units in lightweight track day cars and have had insane results.
With the modular design of Wankel engines, however, you could commission a custom e-shaft for one of these AIE engines and make a 480 HP NA 4-Rotor that revs well beyond 10,000 RPM.
It may be worth giving them a shout. I’m sure they’d be willing to play ball, especially if it helps a good cause and gets them more real world test data.
Alternatively, you can go with a Subaru EJ20 or EJ25. There’s a group out in Australia, I believe, who created a turbocharged, de-stroked EJ20 a couple of years ago that revs up to 12,000 RPM and makes over 600 horsepower and it sounds absolutely manic, as a bonus!
CarNutz EJ205 are forged internals but they still blow up too easily at high boost.
Everyone Thumbing this....great Idea BUT.... Hand Built Custom Rotary from the UK? How Much Money?
Dan Stewart - AIE rotaries aren’t custom, they produce a wide variety of production engines. From my understanding, their top-of-the-range single-rotor unit is a bit cheaper than rebuilding a Mazda 13B.
Doing a 3 or 4-rotor variant would be dramatically more expensive, but then again; so would building a 3 or 4-rotor Mazda-derived engine.
You shot down suggestions with class and actually good reasoning. I like that lol
Ford Ecoboost v6 is an option also
They're great engines, I have the 2.0 I4.
Do those rev high enough for the gearbox?
It really looks like he's stuck with that box due to the rear suspension mounting.
Engine rpm has nothing to do with it unless it has a torque converter
@@exdime Casey spent much of the video talking about the need for the engine to rev high enough for the gearbox ratio's to work.
Unless the EcoBoost can pull the 9000 to 10000 RPM he mentions, they won't work in this purpose.
What's the rev limit on them?
No
Absolutely love love love rotary engines! Brilliant engineering!
Balls deep into the backside of an IndyCar. *Love it*
Keep up the good work Casey ✌
I'm still interested in what's left of that small block Chevy 😉
I miss those Champ cars in the same way I miss the F-1 cars pushing 18k rpm.
Best video yet. I loved the breakdown of engine options and technical explanation of the car. I can't wait for the rest of the build.
Can you do a technical breakdown of the c4 race car (like a "vintage racer's corner" segment)? You know you would at least get one view out of that, me. 👍
Loving these videos
Good luck on your build Casey.
I have a Busa in my 7 and the engine has been nothing but pulling very strong for over 8 years.
The stressed parts for a BEC are the clutch and the transmission.
That’s why upgrading to a steel clutch basket and race rated clutch springs are a must. ... easy to do and very inexpensive.
In my situation, I cracked the crankcase and installed drag bike (solid steel) shift rods. ... This is because the Busa transmission is designed to deal with a vehicle weight of about 650 lbs. The factory Busa shift rods are hollow aluminum tube and have a tendency to flex under stress and this can make a mess of the transmission. ... Again, it’s an easy inexpensive upgrade.
I know of lots of people who use Bike engines in their track cars.
The Hayabusa is a preferred engine because it is strong, light (184 lbs with 6 speed sequential gearbox built in) and (from a design perspective) lends itself to many power upgrading opportunities.
The Kawasaki ZX1400 is also an option.
Check out Dennis Palatov at Pikes Peak Using Busa Power ... ruclips.net/video/q6aOb0uSo1Y/видео.html ... enjoy!
My car weighs in at just over 1,000 lbs and isn’t at all made of the light weight composite materials of your car.
I suspect that with a Bike engine your car would have to weigh in at well under 1,000 lbs. and would flat out fly!
What is the final drive ratio on that transaxle? Is it a good match for a VTec? ... and how much does the Transaxle weigh?
BTW The Bike engine doesn’t have to be placed transversely and is designed to be hard mounted.
My Busa is cradled and hard mounted to the space frame.
When placed in line, one has to enji-nerd a chain drive (from the output sprocket of the Bike to the central drive shaft).
I suspect that, if you went the Bike engine route, you could coax a lot more speed out of the platform by doing a bit of “Locost” engi-nerding. ... ie a well matched, light weight diff matched to a double wishbone rear suspension.
My 7 uses an aluminium housed limited slip Tbird diff and has a fully independent double wishbone (adjustable) suspension.
Awesome, I love this more Indy car videos please
honda v6 J series woud be a good choise to in my opinion
OK, I was critical at first. Now I have to give credit where it is due. Your show is coming together. Your 944 & 928 stuff was hilarious. About the only thing you left out was an obscure reference to how a good Porsche mechanic had to have a German grandfather with an, um, ‘ambiguous’ war record who was retired in Brazil. 😎
Maybe collab with bisimoto or something on a honda k series swap then go race it not only around the track but on some of the roll racing events 1320video and trc cover make some of the subscribers come and check out what’s going on here
Some exciting things happening here
Bisi has done so much for the Honda scene. He'd love to build a Honda powered race car.
Actually u can use a v drive like power boats use to have the output line up with the transmission. There used in wheelie cars and tractor pulls very strong and durable.
I know I did suggest a K-series in the previous vid and still do but... if budget is a factor you also could consider a boosted B series. Especially under boost, the B Series is very competitive with the K series. I am sure it’s entirely my confirmation bias (I have a Integra RS built as a Type R street car) but there is a beautiful exhaust note from the B series when in VTEC that is not matched by any of the other Honda DOHC V-Tech motors. With proper block, head and valve work a boosted B series could easily rev over 10,000.
I have a couple idea's. The first would be to run the small block chevy, but instead of running straight from the crank shaft, use a transfer case. With it you could build it with a 30% or more gear increase which would allow you to get greater output speed and run the engine at lower revolutions, and it would also reduce the torque that is being transmitted to the rear. With this you could also raise the engine a slight bit to accommodate a small diameter flywheel and starter. The second idea would be to venture into the world of electric motors.
Interesting project.👍
Yes k20 with k24 head is a monster!
Its the other way .
You mentioned "Formula Atlantic", but not the possibility of using the Toyota motor they used (4cyl). They were setup for stress mounting, high rev, high HP, and very reliable. As a former Champ Car mechanic, we ran the .14 chassis in Toyota Atlantic during the transition to Indy, and they were very durable cars. I'd bet the Toyota motor from one of those cars would be a better fit than the Honda motor. Either way, it's super cool to see this car again as I remember it from the 90's.
Another thought I had is the Aurora V8 not sure how many of those are around on the cheap
Ford Voodoo is pretty funny in my daughters GT350
Longer shot, but Toyota's old 3S-GTE (of MR2 Turbo/All Track Celica fame) was race derived from the Gurney/AAR developed 3S-GTM/503E motor. I don't know if they were stressed members in the GTP cars, or how they ran them RPM wise, but they are iron block, suitably compact, and can make the power. You might be able to run one of the best-cheat-of-all-time intakes from their rally program on there....just as a conversation starter. Downside, they are belt driven.
Love the jacket!
i know ive talked about my 74'type lt camaro before... when i had it build the last time, i put ARP bolts/studded everything in the rotating assembly full solid roller iron block/head....
self done head work 2.02 and 1.60 vavles behives dont remember the cc value to the chamber/ gasket matched everything, anyways big holly and a single plane intake with 2 inch spacer, "spacer plate" was a fogger system..... i can confirm it will turn high rmp but it doesn't like it at all. never came a prat just finally juiced the piston rings out of her....poor'ole smokey that was 10 years ago. still got the car and hell of a lot of parts though btw it was my first car too. but yeah 4:40 v8 sling a pushrod or valve start clattering and forget to close no good sounds like money/$$$$
The rotary housing can be mounted horizontally instead of vertically, but that requires a huge amount of custom fabrication and might still not be low enough. I like rotaries though so is look into it anyway, probably wouldn't end up doing it though
I love the GPZ or whatever that is. Kawasaki's are my favorite brand to work on when it comes to maintenance and modifying.
I have a 4 cyl engine I will donate, it has been sitting on one of my engine stands for about 15 to 17 years... It is not an "ALUMINUM" block, but, with the right know how, a guy can make 400 hp all day long for 1000's of miles.... or crank things up to 600 to 650 hp, and race it only. The engine has 8,000 miles on it and some change.... My plans were to blue-print it and scale the numbers down and make a 1/4 scale version.... I'll add that to the list of things I will never get around to doing.... lol... It is a Ford 2.3ltr from my Mustang. It has been sitting in my shop so long, I forget it is there, and many people that ask what it is, have never even heard of the 2.3ltr series by Ford... Kids..... Catch-22, you would have to come and get it... I am not far from you as I am in northern eastern Indiana ..
I know I am coming late to this discussion but I have been awfully busy lately. I've been trying to get the job from hell done. You know, Honda made nice V6 engines that were used in cars such as the NSX, specifically the C32 and C35 series engines. You might also look at a high performance Subaru boxer engine or a even a Porsche boxer engine if you can find one.
Casey another option is the Mitsubishi 4g63t. Naturally aspirated they dont make as much hp as the K series but, with boost, you can easily push 500hp on stock components. You want more power, build the bottom end and itll take all the boost you can throw at it.
Thanks for the info and I'm curious about one thing what about twincharged v4 engine in F1 car
K20 or duratec 2.0 have kits out there for dry dumps with a drive chain, not a belt, and they make lots of reliable power. K series is proven in the aftermarket, and the duratec is used a lot in high end setups - bac mono, caterham and cosworth makes parts for them. If you really want a special setup the coyote can turn 10,000rpm+ too.
If you're deciding on Honda VTEC, take look at 4piston racing motors website for inspiration at the very least. You could get a 10k rpm k23 engine or a torquey k27 engine. They're more N/A, but, they have built motors for boost. They're like $9-13k for an absolutely bulletproof engine, ported heads, dual titanium valve springs, cams, sleeved blocks, 300cc overbores on both the k20, k24, blueprinted motors.
The J-series V6 would also be a possibility, both series of motors have twin turbo potential.
Fun watching the video simultaneously while watching the overnight of the Rolex 24 at Daytona.
Something that might be worth looking into, is the K series that the Ariel atom is using (2017, not sure about the other years). It’s supercharged already and makes around 300 hp. Probably you could get the ecu, etc and be able to avoid doing tuning. Not sure if that’d be an issue for you or not, I know it’s not common around my area, so it’s a consideration.
This sounds crazy: when I was a kid I used to go to sand drags . There was all kinds of machines from hilborn infected big block Chevy to this engine : a four cylinder from a Pontiac tempest . This engine was as I understand it was essentially half of a Pontiac v8 . This thing was insanely fast . It took names .
They ran the stock block based engines in the 80's and 90's with the Buick 3800 V6. I wonder if it would be a similar installation and setup with an actual GMC production engine... and there might still be some people out there that have some know-how on the v6 stock block setup. It would be neat seeing one in an Indycar that actually wouldn't blow up after only a couple hundred miles.
1980s toyota 4cyl engine. 22RTE. They can make up to 1000hp when built right, and were used in trucks all the way up until the early 2000s. Marty's truck from Back the the Future had this engine in it, without the turbo
Honda might help you out if you reach out to them...not as confident with any other Manufacturer...Keep it up!
I vote for the Honda engines! Either S2000 type or K type would be pretty sweet, and they respond to boost pretty well with minimal modifications. That car is an excellent platform to try a bunch of boost options and learn all of the fabrication skills needed to pull off those kinds of builds. I think there were some supercharger options available for the S2000 as well that I considered when I had mine. I’m super excited to see how this thing progresses!
Would a Subaru or Porsche flat engine work? That would be kinda cool to see but I don't know of the logistics would work.
To see craziest engine swaps, you only need to visit Gatebil, either norway or sweden.
You could also consider Nissan V6 engines, VQ35 and VQ37. If you need the power you can put two small turbos and make reliable power. Stock those nissan engines make 280(for the 3.5) and 330(aprox) for the 3.7. If you go whit the twin turbo you can make 450 - 500 hp whitout risking the engine breaking.
Yeah, I agree K20 would be a great swap as it is cheap and strong with a large aftermarket including some nice superchargers and ITB kits as well the most common turbo. I dunno would a Coyote ford fit in there with a dry sump? It is a fantastic engine with chains I think, and seems to be good alone. with a stock ecu.
Ok, I just looked at used and crate motors. way too expensive for what you are trying to achieve. 9k for used and 14 for new.
Ur logic is extremely right aboit justifying it wont be practically feasible. but u can consider about electtic. motor swapping it out
honestly I'm just wondering whats the plans for the hurt small block and will I find it on racing junk
Perfect option is a 4.8l ls out of a truck is cheap, has dry sump parts available, being short stroked it will rev high with low piston speed. They make valve train parts to rap almost 10k, and if it blows up you can buy a short block for 500 bucks
Or the modern engines of PWC, Seadoo, Kawasaki, Yamaha. They are very powerful for their weight and size. They are very low relative to the axis of the crankshaft, they already have dry sump lubrication, and they are supercharged.
I'd agree that the honda is a very good route to go with this build. I'd say look up Honda how too on youtube, hes a small RUclips but is very knowledgeable on honda engines and has built some very interesting engines, also look into humble performance, for they build high horsepower drag hondas. Thank you casey for the great content as always.
Hi Casey, love the idea. But what about European sports cars like jaguar, Ferrari, Audi and Alfa Romeo. V6 and V8 alloy dry sump high revving small engines. Would be a tonne of fun. Loved the vid on your black Corvette, well put.
Maybe a BMW K1200 RS motorcycle engine would work it has separate engine transmission with dry clutch as in the car. It's high speed and the clutch is somehow below the axis of the crankshaft. It was also used in the BMW formula with Hewland longitudinal transmission.
If going mild boost, perhaps try k24 with twin-screw supercharger? Sounds good and will hit the 400hp mark. Or try Hartley and Synergy V8s
Im a bit biased, but I love my K20z1 (05-06 RSX Type S engine.) It sounds great, vtec kicks in at 5800 rpm, fun little thing in a car that weighs more than twice what that thing does
It was great to see on the 24 hours of Daytona coverage that NBC gave some love to fans who parked their 928 among all of the air-cooled cars in the PCA parking area! Perhaps the tide is turning?
@Casey Putsch if your interested in a light weight power plant that can be bought relatively cheaply used, is already a BULLETPROOF race engine, and is super simple check out a midget engine (I’m talking the dirt or asphalt oval track wingless midget sprint engine).....most are 2.6-L and rev like the S2000 engine and make 300-400HP naturally aspirated on methanol with mechanical injection, a magneto for ignition, and there’s no accessories because the water pump is driven off the crank and the fuel pump off the camshaft (NO belts to fail this time).....this would be silly easy to install and uses the Small Block Chevy bell housing bolt pattern....so it’s very likely some of the current stressed chassis members would directly bolt up with very little adjustment....and best of all flywheel and clutch spacing / arrangement would still likely work from the current SBC
Maybe flat-6. Is there space for the exhaust manifolds?
My $0.02...Nissan vk56de. All aluminum, 4 valve with t-chains, dry sump kits available. They run 'em in Australian V8 Supercar series making 600ish hp at 7k all day. Physically not that big an engine down low, though they do get a little wide up top with the 4 cams. Your Indy car would have a NASCAR bark, talk about intimidation factor!
What about bmw inlines with twin turbo? Did the Reynards not have rev limiters on them as a safety cut off from grenading the motor?
I keep thinking, with using a Honda 2K engine (transmission?) how much of the electronics fastened to the air box(s) will be needed (if any) and will they, the engine, trans-axle(?) and any other components be all boxed up, waiting to be useful? ;-)
Is there a reason you couldn’t use 3 gears instead of a belt to interface the engine with the transmission if you went with a Rotary / non-V motor?
Vtec v6 Honda engine out of like a minivan I think would be pretty cool too
I get what he was saying about the bike engines and not taking the stress of being part of the chassis, but you know those crazy s.o.bs at Kawasaki make this thing the H2r with a factory supercharge.... lol. The other issue other then length with the 2jz is those huge horsepower numbers come at the cost of very long spool times from those big old turbos. I like the k series idea along with a turbo small enough to have good throttle response while providing a nice kick in the back side out the corner.
Casey what do you think of a vr6 or a 5.0 coyote?
Hond civic or s2k will be great to put in if you want you can force induction I'm talking about your indicar engine swap
Casey, what about the Mitsubishi's evo engines? Is this a nice option?
The power plant from the Radical v8 could work. It is basically two Busa engines combined. They aren't cheap though (I think like $25k)
Casey what about the flat/boxer engines, they are compact package. Maybe it will fit better than inline or v-shape engine.
Rajamäki Racing here in Sweden races and rents out late model F1 cars. His team puts Cosworth V8's in all his cars, it makes since in terms of rpm's, packaging, reliability, power, sound and heritage...
a 4 rotor in this would be epic. but something low maintenance would be nice. have you thought about a toyota i4 ZZ engine? like the one in the celica and lotus elise.
wait, what about a vr38dett? idk how high they can rev but you would have a ton of horsepower at your disposal and it would be reliable, but probably a turbo k24 (or twin turbo like kyle's mr2 from boostedboiz) with a dry sump setup would be optimal in my opinion and if not k series, you also have 4g63's those are pretty good too and there some guy running his on 2000hp and 12000 rpm
What about the Hyabusa V8? Does it run into the same stress problems?
Also Casey I heard of a company that makes v8 engines by combining 2 busa engines together. That would be an awesome engine for this project
Thats ariel i dont think they sell them
Joonas Laakkonen wrong. ruclips.net/video/ZX4TR6SgRRY/видео.html
@@hellfire08 damn they too make v8s nice
Base model rsx or ep3 k20a3 with vtec eliminator and small turbo. Or stock k20a2 or if you are going dry sump k20z3 . They have all been proven to life with boost up to and around 400 horse.
What happened to the blue and orange open cockpit prototype car? I just noticed it is gone, and probably has been for a bit.
what about a V8 base Hayabusa engine? I heard one rev up in the back of a Lotus and it sounded amazing and would probably have a small enough flywheel
Dude you gotta get a supercharged k series on this thing it’ll be crazy awesome
what about something german like a v6 2.7 biturbo from a b5 s4/rs4 pretty reliable and a common tuningplatform soit has mutch aftermarket support or a vr engine
What about a voodoo engine from the Shelby GT350? ~530hp and revs to 8250rpm stock, with a dry-sump it might fit, my only concern being the heads are kinda big but that might not be an issue here.
There is a open wheel scca class- formula 1000- that runs 1000cc motorcycle engines. Looks like they run a smaller chassis though
Make jigs for what we anticipate being bent or broken. Then it becomes a fabrication training tool as well
How about the EcoBoost 3.5L v6 from ford? 365 hp stock 600+ boosted in the ford gt.
There's a ton of them out there and parts available.
The main issue with the F series motors is that you pay for HP.
Once you hit magic numbers 450-500 hp. You will be ok.
But doubling the F series HP is $$$$
J SERIES, J SERIES, J SERIES, J SERIES, J SERIES, J SERIES!!! The Honda V6 J series sounds like a perfect fit for the application. 300HP right off the bat. With plenty of potential!
The 2.3 ford . There are beefy lower end parts available 11k rpm 1200 hp capable. I would build that engine as stout as budget would allow and use two turbo chargers one lower pressure and one higher pressure . Fuel injection digitally tuneable so the the larger turbo can be governed for driver learning curve . Pump gas
This is awesome
What gasoline will you use in that honda engine? Premium 98 or somethink with more octane number?
Probably e85
Have you thought about the Yamaha V8 that came in the Volvo S80 and the xc90? Might be a good option but the Honda S2000 engine is good option
How about cosworth engines? And if considering a honda engine bisimoto is famous with high reving motors
Even if you do get a Honda motor in the with a dry sump setup, you still have the issue of the flywheel
Well if length matters the v6 from a new gtr would work dry sump is available as far as I know
That trans axle what is available for parts
Same thing I commented in the last video, you need a sportbike-head V8.. like a used RPE hayabusa V8, or build your own again I think you can do it for under $30K and THAT will net you youtube views and high revs and success.
Why not a the 60 dregree v6 from GM? Like they had in the Fiero 2M6
What about that one V8 engine that is basically two Hayabusa engines merged? I believe it was around 380 hp NA and if you would add forced induction you could get more. It would have the revs but might be too much on the experimental side as they are only used on track cars.
On the topic of engine swaps. I'm currently swapping a GM Ecotec into an FC RX7, thoughts?
I had a buddy put the 3.8 Buick motor into a fc