@@davidblyth5495 no, it was still by grace, through faith, which is exactly what the Apostille Paul teaches. BUT if you insist on this error, then the thief on the cross was also never baptized, and Jesus died BEFORE he did, so he's new covenant.
@@davidblyth5495 the Abrahamic convenient does not mention salvation at all, except that it hints at the coming of our Lord. See also: Hebrews, the entire book.
Aquinas himself admits the water is not at all necessary for salvation when discussing the Thief on the Cross (St. Dismas). Dismas died AFTER Jesus, making him covered by the new covenant, he was obviously never baptized.
Let’s say a Christian and an unbeliever survive a plane crash in the desert. There is no water. In their last 2-3 days of life, the Christian convinces the unbeliever of the gospel and the unbeliever now believes, repents, and decides to accept salvation. Is it your position that since no water is available, then the unbeliever cannot accept salvation and is doomed?
@@davidblyth5495 it was NO baptism at ALL! It was salvation. There is NO such thing as a 'baptism of desire'. That's extra-biblical hogwash and you know it.
@@davidblyth5495 This was prior to the institution of Trinitarian baptism. Therefore it wasn’t necessary for him to be baptized. This is the Lutheran view.
@@davidblyth5495 hence, baptism does not save. What you're saying is grace alone, by faith alone. You say it as an 'exception', but But you won't admit it in general. The water either saves or it does not. Salvation is a binary proposition. A person is either saved, or they are not. And the requirements for salvation are the same throughout all space and time. God's grace, extended to all, and accepted by those who have faith in Him as their savior. The 2nd person of the Trinity was at work since the beginning of time saving souls, and is found all throughout the old testament.
@@earth9531the purpose is cleansing. Immersion is the English version of the Greek word. There are many places where immersion is not possible or practical.
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I hope to be baptized next year. Please pray for me.
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Great video so clear
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I really liked "I baptize thee ........ "
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I am geting baptized this sunday october 13th! 🤩
Thanks for the video. I have completely forgotten my baptism.
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Forgiveness of sins
Member of the Church
Temple of the Holy spirit
Unfortunate use of the term "Roman" Catholic Church
Surely all rites within the Catholic Church as well as the Orthodox Churches do the same?
Show me where Abraham was baptized. Genesis 15:6
Romans 4:1-2
A different covenant so a different form!
On what doctrinal and theological grounds did Aquinas establish these 3 steps, please? I ask it also in order to be able to answer such a question.
@@davidblyth5495 no, it was still by grace, through faith, which is exactly what the Apostille Paul teaches. BUT if you insist on this error, then the thief on the cross was also never baptized, and Jesus died BEFORE he did, so he's new covenant.
@@davidblyth5495 the Abrahamic convenient does not mention salvation at all, except that it hints at the coming of our Lord. See also: Hebrews, the entire book.
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Aquinas himself admits the water is not at all necessary for salvation when discussing the Thief on the Cross (St. Dismas). Dismas died AFTER Jesus, making him covered by the new covenant, he was obviously never baptized.
God can do anything and is not bound to follow any teachings. It’s much better to follow the Sacraments, living in the fullness of His gift of Grace.
The thief was under the old covenant
@@bigtobacco1098 Jesus died first. New covenant. Jesus said it. Is. Finished.
@earth9531 that was salvation... you are as confused as a chameleon in a bowl of skittles
@@earth9531 as well... the thief was on the cross WHEN ???
Let’s say a Christian and an unbeliever survive a plane crash in the desert. There is no water. In their last 2-3 days of life, the Christian convinces the unbeliever of the gospel and the unbeliever now believes, repents, and decides to accept salvation. Is it your position that since no water is available, then the unbeliever cannot accept salvation and is doomed?
St Dismas on the cross proclaimed his faith to Jesus who assured him of his place in paradise - this was the baptism of desire!
@@davidblyth5495 it was NO baptism at ALL! It was salvation. There is NO such thing as a 'baptism of desire'. That's extra-biblical hogwash and you know it.
@@davidblyth5495 This was prior to the institution of Trinitarian baptism. Therefore it wasn’t necessary for him to be baptized. This is the Lutheran view.
@@jonathanvickers3881Jesus had already prescribed Trinitarian baptism when He was crucified.
However Jesus recognised a contrite heart with faith.
@@davidblyth5495 hence, baptism does not save. What you're saying is grace alone, by faith alone. You say it as an 'exception', but But you won't admit it in general. The water either saves or it does not. Salvation is a binary proposition. A person is either saved, or they are not. And the requirements for salvation are the same throughout all space and time. God's grace, extended to all, and accepted by those who have faith in Him as their savior. The 2nd person of the Trinity was at work since the beginning of time saving souls, and is found all throughout the old testament.
1. Baptism does not save, Grace does. ALL the work of salvation was done by Christ. Eph 2:8 Romans 10:10
2. Baptism means immersion.
Baptism: "In the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit!" as instructed by Jesus.
It includes immersion or washing with water.
Is that not clear?
@@davidblyth5495 not 'or washing', to baptize is to immerse, period. Not sprinkling, not pouring. Immersion.
@@earth9531 where in the bible does it say baptism means immersion ?? Curious question
So currently if am not baptised will I still be saved ?
@@earth9531the purpose is cleansing.
Immersion is the English version of the Greek word.
There are many places where immersion is not possible or practical.