This will save the 2025 Jeep 4xe!
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This will save the 2025 Jeep 4xe!
Today, we discuss the 2025 refreshed 4xe models arriving for the Jeep Wrangler and debuting in the Jeep Gladiator. What improvements can a next-gen 4xe make to boost sales? Lets talk about it.
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Perhaps the free market could dictate what is produced and not the government!
This is the correct answer.
Bingo
As a 4xe owner, I love the fact that around town I get 40-ish miles per gallon between fillups. It would be more if I didn't take it in the mountains every weekend. That said, on the weekend we can take it anywhere we want. We have as much torque as the 392 and can take a lot of cars off the line all day long. That's weird to say for a wrangler, but I'll take it. I just think that you don't understand the market for the 4xe and that Jeep is kind of missing the mark with their marketing.
I love the power, torque and speed of my 4xe. Blows my old 3.6 JKU away! I can actually pass vehicles with confidence. I rarely plug mine in.
So you bought a Gas earth killing murdered my grandma jeep. How dare you
@@Charles-d4e3b 4xe causes both sides to be mad. It runs on gas and plugs in!
I love my wife’s 4xe Willy’s. It’s perfect for her situation. She commutes 8 miles a day so it never uses gas. I am looking forward to getting a Gladiator 4xe. I’m really curious what engine they will put in there.
So, if it never uses gas, and 21 miles of EV range is enough, just imagine how great it would be with no gas engine, powerful electric motors and a 300+ mile all EV range.
I actually work at a Jeep dealership in NC. Sales of Jeeps are down across the board,especially the 4xe. We have a Wrangler 4xe High Altitude msrp $71k. We haven't even shown it in 3 months on the lot. I personally drive a 2022 Wrangler Rubicon with the eco-diesel and LOVE IT! Always a good program. Love your consistent content.
Thanks for watching!
100% spot on it needs greater range.
Why? The 4xe will be the most powerfull engine you can buy from the factory in a Gladiator. Who cares about range? Not me!
It's just a psychological thing. The range is fine until batteries get smaller and lighter. It's not a full electric vehicle. It's a gas vehicle primarily.
The worst thing about the 4xe is the resale. My 23 Rubicon was $67,000 new. 1 year and 10,000 miles latter the most I could get for trade in was $ 41,000
I’ve got a 2024 4xe. It’s amazing. I get gas once every two months. And I programmed my Jeep to only charge at night when I get “free” electricity on my electric plan.
But the most fun is going camping and tapping into the 17.3 kWh battery. You can power a campsite for about a two weeks, and if power runs low you can run the engine as a generator to continue powering your campsite. For reference a 1 kWh power station is about a $1K. So having access to 17.3 kWh is incredible.
My other Jeep friends nicknamed my Jeep “stalker” because it’s dead silent as you go wheeling in electric power.
I think the recall really killed the momentum of the 4xe. Because in 2022 and 2023 it was the fastest selling hybrid.
The 4xe is based on the premise that people actually want this platform, unfortunately they don't, trying to force feed the abomination of a Yuppie Jeep does nothing but chase people away to other manufacturers/ options.
Lots of us would have never bought such an expensive toy before but the 4xe changed that.
Keep in mind that every mile not driven on gas is prolonging the engine by that many miles. My 10k mile 4xe only has 3k on gas
@@AP-gy9eg its not that turbo will fail at 100k miles lol
@@theeconomist100 you're not paying attention. By the time the engine has 100k for the turbo to fail, the chassis will have double or triple that many miles. Many other things will fail before that lol
The 4xe is the number 1 selling PHEV in the country. There’s plenty of demand.
@@AP-gy9eg and you're battery will be overused and will need a replacement lol, a new battery cost 10K, same as a engine replacement. the 4xe is a failure.
So I really couldn't agree more with this video! I am an owner of a 2024 Wrangler Willys 4XE. Absolutely love it for what it is. However, I'd really love to see a longer electric range. The 2.0 i4 turbo runs well and I can't complain there. I just hope that Jeep will make improvements in the newer models! Exciting to see! I really do like the idea of commuting back and forth to work on all electric, it's great. I just wish I could go say 2 or 3 days (8mi commute either way) without charging.
I just don't understand all the hate on the 4XE. I absolutely love my Rubicon 4XE. It gets me to and from work all week using Zero gas! (Charge at home charge at work)
Now I agree if the range was even more it would be more appealing, but then the price would go up too. Looking forward to see what Jeep has in store.
BRING BACK MANGO TANGO!
Reliability, better thermal management, & more efficient so they don’t have to turn off the ICE engine so quickly and create lag
I’m not even gonna give it a thought until they put the hurricane engine in it. And if they don’t I’m not buying one period. With the exception of the 100k dollars 392 I am sick and tired of all the under powered 60k dollar jeeps. Something has to change. 😡😞
"Drill baby drill!"
While China takes over the future global car market.
We could just elect a new president and problem solved.
I doubt that would solve anything
If President Donald Trump is re-elected, the ability to buy vehicles by gas or electric, will be more practical than shoving electric choice only.
Electing Trump will bring bigger problems than that
Narc trump! The guy who called georgia to find him 12k votes. Then said the election was rigged?! That's what we call projection boys and girls. He is no president of mine. He also doesn't stand with the uaw. Sleepy Joe 2024!
We did and it was solved four years ago.
New record coming up.
Three time popular vote loser.
I bought a 2024 Wrangler High Altitude 4xe three weeks ago. The reason being is I got a $7500 tax credit and employee pricing on it. I have been averaging 29 miles on all electric here in Florida. I do wish it had a bigger engine just to give it a bit more power however this is a daily driver for me so it works. I’m glad jeep hasn’t gone to an all digital display because if the computer chip fails that runs it you would be dead in the water. This thing came fully loaded including the one touch power roof. Also new with the 4xe this year is it came with a power box that you can plug in and use the jeep as a generator.
Isn’t the tax rebate reduced to $3750 this year?
Because the billions of computer chips in the billions of smart phones, tablets, jets, cars, trucks, trains, planes, computers and all other electronic devices on Earth are failing on a regular basis?
@@freedom_foz_6337 it wasn’t three weeks ago when I bought mine
In Idaho Winter 🥶 that would not be good enough. Cold weather really drains these batteries.
The tax credit was a big reason I bought a 4xe too. But I now drive a 392 and it has been a fantastic jeep
The stellantis rentals ("Lease") incentives out here in Colorado are insane. Side note, I hope people are buying them out after 90 days. We picked up our Rubicon X 4XE for $46,000 lease buyout. I had the opportunity to get into a 392 but my internal desire to supercharge it paired with the additional price point and struggles at mile high elevation made the 4XE a much more interesting purchase. After purchase though, the 4XE can fucking hoon... This vehicle has zero business having two high and is an absolute riot. I think its a missed opportunity to not have a Mojave trim for it though.
While the tech is being developed - I don't think you should go into a 4XE because of the E range or Fuel economy, you should do it because it has no business existing, and is an absolute blast to wheel. The smiles per gallon ratio is strong in this vehicle. I am able to average 25 mpg on the freeway in hybrid mode on I25 doing 80mph regardless of battery state. YOU HAVE TO DISABLE MAX REGEN, it tanks fuel economy to 15mpg once the battery is depleted and only truly functions in stop and go city driving.
Where can I find more information about this "lease buyout"? I may be able to do this, but I'd like to understand the process more.
@@Gabriel-fh8ms Check the residual amount on your lease, you can find it on your stellantis financial account.
Absolutely interested in the dealership where you leased out the vehicle, I'm looking for 4xes here in Hawaii and rebates @ most go up to 9500. Making Willys trim still around 53-59k. Would be much appreciated especially with the crazy mark-ups here in Hawaii.
@@marcustrollstalker9693 You have to be a resident of Colorado to obtain the state incentive. I qualified for a few other incentives, but the state, dealer, and fed should total $17,500
@@Gabriel-fh8ms You can find more information on your stellantis financial account.
As a Jeep Gladiator owner & Tesla Model Y owner I don’t want a 4XE its just not efficient nor enough range the math doesn’t add up its to expensive….. furthermore Jeeps are like refrigerators with wheels not aerodynamic not possible to get 100 miles of EV range it would be far to heavy & loose efficiency. Pipe dream without a full redesign & even then 100 miles of EV range not possible unless solid state batteries make it into the market.
Good to hear!
2 door 4xe
100% agree!
I have a Sahara 4xe, leasing it for 1/3 of what purchasing a gas version would be. The discounts are crazy because they had 42 of them on the lot. I can get by on all electric because I live close to work but can see if they stretched it to 40 miles or used a different hybrid system that just averages 35 mph like Toyota has I could see it would appeal to more folks. EPA is pushing them towards this rather than just building cars people want and can afford. Hate the blue accents too. Feels like virtue signaling. If price was same or less I would be driving a 6 MT gas engine sport with crank windows. But that would have been $150 more a month.
I own a 4xe Rubicon for about a year now and made it into my own xtreme recon clone. I agree with others it does need more range. Like 50 miles so when the winter hits then it can for 25 miles. It also needs a bigger fuel tank. 250-270miles on gas is all it will get. I bought mine used so the price wasn’t as much of a concern vs the new ones. It definitely has some clunkyness between the gas and electric turning on and off that hopefully they fix with the new model. It has me looking at the 392 instead but something about putting premium fuel in everytime and only getting like 12mpg for a daily or trips is not something I can grasp yet. Matt what does yours get with those 40’s on your trip down to Florida. Who ever guesses right gets a sticker ?
Good call, I actually trailered the 392 down, it’s cheaper to fill up a truck and save the miles, normally I get around 13.5-14
100 miles electric range? where would you put the 4 times larger battery? Also it would make the jeep about 10k more expensive. The 35inch wheels and recon package is a possibility but would cost again 4k. I think more realistic is a 150HP electric motor instead of the current 130HP and maybe they find some space and get you 10% more range. That's all that's possible.
Exactly 👍🏻
exactly, and what other hybrid engine is getting 100 miles of range. Toyota came out and said they dont care about mpg, they want power and ford doesnt even have a hybrid out for the bronco so jeep aint doing nothing till someone forces them to. And if they did push these options it would cost way more then 10k, this dude is high. He complains about weight and then asks for 4x the range....
Battery technology is getting better but not good enough for 100mi range without substantial weight added. This is what will hold back the all electric generation of Jeeps. Thankfully.
Jeep please get a clue. 4xE is not what the customer wants
Sorry in advance, but this video is filled with misinformation from someone who clearly never drove a 4xe. First, about the range, this is a PHEV, not a fully electric vehicle so do not expect a 300 miles range. Most hybrids, all brands combined, don't even give you the option to run only on electricity, most of them have their CPU decide when to use which (I owned 5 PHEVs so far, my 4xe being the latest). Being able to choose between full electric, hybrid or gas only (E-save) is defo a great option. And yes, the advertised electric-only range is 21 miles per charge but it is often higher. I had 29 electric miles available this morning. I generally get 25 on average. Only during the winter (and I live in NH so winter temps are defo below freezing) this drops to 21 but that's it, it never went under. I agree 25 miles is not much but if you do not have a long commute, this is a perfect daily drive. I personally work from home and do the school runs every day, also drove to a couple of things like the gym, grocery stores, etc... I just kept the car on electric most of the time and it took me more than 3 months before I had to refill the tank of gas that was courtesy of my dealership. Also, running on E-save recharges the battery so fast that it's just uncanny! You can be back to a full charge within 30-35 min on the highway. You also say it lacks options but 4xes have the exact same comfy options available for every Wrangler. We went for the one-touch sky roof and couldn't be happier not having to remove the roof manually (especially with this moody ever-changing New England weather), we got the leathered seats, etc... Feels super premium! Then, the engine power... I don't understand why you think it needs more power? More towing power maybe, then yes. But more power? No! The Wrangler 4xe is the second most powerful Wrangler after the 392 with 375 horsepower and 470 pound-feet of torque. It's powerful enough to smoke WRX Sub guys that rev at you at the traffic light. It also feels more balanced than a regular Wrangler due to the weight of the battery, which makes it easier to handle. To your defence, I can understand that you do like your off-road stuff and yes, the 4xe is more of a "people carrier" and a fun vehicle than a fully off-road monster like the 392 Rubicon, but it does come with an engine that can kick! Talking about seeing a ton of unsold ones in dealership lots, over here it's the opposite, they sell so fast that it's hard to put your hand on one. We had to buy ours from Maine cause availability in NH was very low. Altogether, the way I see it the 4xe targets a different crowd than the regular Wrangler. It's less off-roady, more family-friendly, economical and comfy. Is it for everyone? I wouldn't say so. But if you're looking for a solid PHEV SUV that can carry a family, that has a lot of cargo space (perfect to go to the beach or go camping), that has all the fun options of a Jeep (removable roof, doors, etc...), that is comfy and comes with a kick, I'd say the 4xe is defo a good choice. If you want a fully off-road roaring monster, this is not the vehicle for you!
My experience exactly so far in MA. It's my 4th Wrangler since '97 and I am loving it. My new 4Xe Rubicon has been great. Hit the trails with Jeep club only days after getting it and it's just as capable off road as my 3.6 JLU was. I also tow an off road camper and it's fantastic. 4Xe Wrangler is definitely not right for everyone's situation like long daily commutes but with short daily commutes plugging in each day it's great. Then on wheeling or camping trips with I am not plugging in every day it still does as well or better than my 3.6. And wheeling in all electric is great! In a few years hopefully this PHEV will be even better as that is what happens with technology. I never see myself going with full EV, PHEV is great for my use. Unfortunately there is so much misinformation and misunderstanding around the 4Xe and PHEV in general...like when after 25 miles it's just a 2.0 turbo with extra weight. so not true, sorry DRC. You always have the Battery supporting the drive.
I saw a couple creator videos where the 4xe was killing the trails and rock climbing on just electric.
I think the 4xe gladiator needs to be cheap enough that it makes since to buy it for a hemi swap.
Question is will it play far with just an ecm reflash ? Gonna need to rip out the hybrid stuff and hope they can get it to communicate properly. I hope it happens. We own a 4xe wrangler rubicon with tons of money in aftermarket parts. Good thing transmissions need to be replaced anyways. Also that the hybrid system is within the trans and no where else in the drive line.
I really like my 4xe
I'm happy for you.
I don't think we are anywhere near the tech to be able to have a 100 mile range on a Wrangler 4xe. Even the Prius Prime only has 44 miles of range.
The 4xe has quite a lot of pep. Keep in mind it never runs on just gas, it is always a hybrid. That 385hp and 470ftlb of torque is always there.
The price, boy, I agree with you there. The Wrangler prices are getting a bit out of control
I love Dirt Road Cred, but this bit starts out stating things that just aren't true. He doesn't seem to understand how a plug in hybrid works - you get 385hp and 470lb-ft of torque when run as a hybrid. It doesn't drop down at all and if you want all the power in EV mode the engine needs to turn on.
Also saying the range drops in half below 30F hasn't been my experience, 10-15% less range is what I have with experience from about 18F to about 40F.
NOt sure it would be worth it to have 50 miles of range, may as well get an EV.
As far as weight - the 392 version of the wrangler is pretty heavy as well. I think heavier than the 4xe.
PHEV range works different in cold weather than a pure electric. The range don't go down in cold weather but the engine will run all the time to provide heat to the cabin. This basically prevents the PHEV from running pure electric when it's cold unless you don't turn on the heat.
Anyone even thinking about purchasing this vehicle needs to understand this fact. The capacity of the battery of this vehicle is 17.3 kWh. To use Michigan as an example if you charge your vehicle during off peak times you’ll pay .16 per kilowatt hour. if you do the math that will cost you $2.76 to completely charge your battery. You’re going to get 22 miles for $2.76. It’s not even worth it to ever charge at a charger, other than your home. The average cost per Google at a charging station is $.45. That means if you charge your Jeep other than your home you’re going to pay $7.78 to go 22 miles.
This video has got to be satire. 100 miles but lighter?? A Gladiator PHEV that’s less expensive??? A new powertrain from Jeep????
The 4Xe Gladiator is a no-brainer. What it really needs though is a payload increase, and E-85 capability. It should have a GVWR around 7200 lbs to get the payload over 2000# even with the large battery. If it was optimized for E-85 many Americans could buy half priced fuel too, while further reducing emissions, and operating costs. I think the new Ford Ranger PHEV will be E-85 flex fuel capable.
Wife just got into her first Jeep ever while I've had YJ, TJ, LJ so far and while the wifes JL is nice, new, etc.. still I'll keep my LJ all built. I think its not just the 4xe, but overall pricing of the Jeeps. Those who are Jeepers don't mind paying the $10-20k extra over what it was 5 years ago for a Rubicon or any other model, however, new folks trying out the Wrangler look at the price and with 4xe having the incentive of $7500, plus extra $$$ from dealer with some dealerships dropping pricing on 4xe by $16k going from $63k in our situation fully loaded to $47 made my wife highly consider it, just the same makes other consider that sweet $16k off. I believe pricing of the Jeeps now a days plays a huge role how they sell now a days. JKs before JLs were starting at $27k in 2018, now they are $10k more right off the lot, if not more with really not big upgrades for consumers to consider as a must have so I'll pay that. You also don't buy brand new and build, if you already have the previous years all build up to take you anywhere.
I have been so close to buying my first ever Jeep, a 4XE Wrangler. Not sure what had stopped me. Engine? reliablility? colors? price? packages? I'm anxious to see what is in store for 2025 models. Still shopping for me next 4X4 vehicle. Have been a pickup guy for 30 years. Love your videos.
I own a 2022 Rubicon 4XE... absolutely agree it needs way more electric range. And, yes, it's fast. But I hate the sound of the 4 cylinder engine... sounds super wimpy. The towing capabilities at 3500 lbs is also pretty anemic. And the adapative cruise control feels phsyco... needs to be way smoother.
I had a ’23 Willys 4xe for approximately 11 months. I didn’t love it, I didn’t hate it, it was just meh. Considering the price it needs a lot more. Battery life, especially in the winter, was completely useless. And the extra $200 for license plates, even though I was still buying plenty of gas, was also a turn off. Plugging it in everyday and unplugging every morning before work just got old. It was quick with the combined battery and turbo, but still seemed underpowered. I traded for a 6 speed manual V6, and to be honest, it is underpowered too. I think they need to do something with the engine lineup across the board. Most people can’t shell out $90k plus for the 392. More electric range, more power, onboard power converter, and wireless charging…..also include the stage 2 charger!
Love my 4xE. But it’s real expensive. I got my 20th 4xE Rubi for 10k off MSRP and I’m still struggling to justify buying it.
I agree that it needs more range to be a “Good” PHEV. It exists in a strange world though, it’s the only off road capable PHEV. The RAV4 PRIME is not off road at all. As far as EV’s go, The Rivian and CT are capable but the 4xE is great because it’s a Jeep, the doors come off and it has the look and feel I always wanted as a kid seeing Jeeps out there. Plus it can be somewhat electric. So I can take it somewhere and only use electricity, which as a buyer is something I do want. My wife dailies a Tesla Model Y and it’s amazing to just drive to work, drive home, plug in, and never go to a gas station again. For that reason, and some others the MY is the perfect daily driver.
What I want from my 4xE is:
1) I should be able to power the interior stuff when plugged in, think camping.
2) more range, to be honest this is the most important one. Jeep mught not be ready to jump on the “Full EV train” and that’s fine, and in certain situations I can go places when full EV, but ultimately for my work commute it’s just augmenting my MPG’s because it can’t sustain 70mph cruising in full EV mode. Also the batteries need to be installed in a less lazy way. Just throwing the batteries under the rear seats is the lowest effort way to accomplish that install. And it messes up the floor.
3) Jeep needs to enter the modern era, the Jeep dealer telling us “the app unlocks the truck” and it takes literally 5 minutes and he thinks it’s the coolest shit in the world. And out in the parking lot our Tesla can unlock, lock, turn on ac, open doors, play music, set climate, etc etc in literally a split second, the Jeep lags behind embarrassingly. To be clear, I don’t think a wrangler needs to have auto opening rear doors. But having an app that’s SO bad and acting like it’s good is a special kinda sad.
4) let me be EV in low range. Wheeling in 4H in EV mode is fun and like “the point”. But it’s pretty dumb that when you get to real obstacles and go to 4L the engine is forced to kick on. The hybrid integration is quite good overall, and I’m not sure what engineering limitations keep it from doing 4L on electrons but they should figure it out.
At the end of the day, I am happy I have the 4xE. It’s the best JL if you can’t afford the 392. The 392 is the big boi “omg you have V8 in your jeep?” But other than that. I can park in EV charging, I’m more efficient than other jeeps, I can kind of justify being in the modern era while still being able to go off roading. I am personally a buyer who would consider an R1S as a replacement for my JLUR, but it still doesn’t come with sliders or steel bumpers, and it’s still out of my budget. And to be honest even the 20th 4xE was out of my budget before no one was buying them and I got it for a deal. But the Rivian and CT are beyond that even.
Plus I drove a rental 2.0T JLU in Hawaii on our honeymoon and I HATED that engine (same engine in 4xE). The 2.0T is very peaky, and the hybrid system smooths it out and makes it a pretty good truck to drive. I was astounded at how much I disliked the 2.0T by itself. It sounds awful either way, like a big sowing machine, but at least in 4xE it drives better.
Also maybe the next time we do electric power steering, quiet that shit down about 10 levels.
At the end of the day, if Jeep sold a full blown EV JL and the 392 at the same time, that’s fine with me. But, I also think PHEV’s have a place in the world, because after doing several 8 hour drive road trips in Teslas, it’s absolutely doable, but it’s a different mindset. So give me something that can do my daily commute electric, save me a little $ and be smooth, quiet and easy. Then give me the ability to drive to BlackBear pass, drive the pass, and get home without worrying where I’m going to charge in the middle of nowhere. Because while charging infrastructure is great on the Tesla network, it’s not great outside of it. But that’s not really about 4xE.
Also it’s super lame that the 20th 4xE’s don’t get the air compressor that the 392’s got…. So the speakers in the way? Move it. Who cares where the EV speaker is mounted. Come on bruh.
It's interesting to think about but the premise is flawed. The problem isn't the 4xE itself...it's EVs in general. People aren't buying them market-wide! They've figured out the game. They cost SO much more than gas alternative, even with all of the tax breaks for electric and regulations on gas. Their range sucks and you have to spend hours recharging every couple hundred miles AND there aren't any charging stations anywhere! The production of the batteries is FAR WORSE for the environment than anything gas has ever done.
One of the biggest issues is simply that people don't like being TOLD what they MUST buy! The fact that so many states force you to special order gas versions and don't allow them to even be on the lot? Yeah, people don't like that crap. They're trying to force a technology that just isn't ready for prime time yet.
Those are just the issues for the "everyday driver" buyers. If you throw in the offroading? I honestly don't understand how these can EVER be viable long term. These have only been around for a couple years, so there haven't been a huge number of issues yet. But let's think about this, if you're out in the middle of nowhere on a trail and something fails...like your gas gauge...and you run out of gas, you simply need to have a friend run and get you a couple gallons or siphon a little from him to get going again. If you battery runs out? What are you going to do? And don't tell me about the chargers that are THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS! Not everyone has that kind of money just hanging out. Your buddy can't just run to town and bring you a can of "charging."
Or how about damage to the battery? If you off-road in any serious way, there's a chance of rather significant damage to the vehicle. Li-Ion batteries DO NOT LIKE being damaged! You can scrape your oil pan or gas tank on a rock and you'll most likely be fine. If you puncture that battery? Say goodnight cuz you're going up in a HUGE flash of insanely hot flames.
I know there are a ton of people who will poo-poo these ideas, but regardless of your opinion, these are things you have to contend with.
Thanks guys for the vid!
Back when they released 4xe I liked bed the idea, but it fell so short of reality. Obviously it needs range. Honestly I think 50-75 miles and it would make sense for most people.
I think Jeep is moving away from its wrangler customer base and moving towards the GWagon and Grand Cherokee base. All luxury, so the price isn’t the problem. I think most people would rather less fancies(like digital dash) and have the utilitarian feel.
I’d vote for a more rugged experience, better quality control, less chincy plastic, with a modern 4xe with more power, and range. Also I think they need a true “heritage edition” like ford is offering on the bronco.
I’m afraid Jeep is forgetting the roots, which breaks away from its fan base and makes it seem like a rebranded euro vehicle.
Make a modern vehicle with modern drivetrain, with a unique rugged appeal
Not soft, luxury
More range would be awesome. But there are two limiting factors that will keep any substantial range increase from happening that you actually mentioned in your video. Price and weight are the two limiting factors in seeing any range increases with the battery technology available today. The 4XE is already over 5,000 pounds and the price tag is already problematic. Jeep likely has price, weight and capability requirements on the white board in the design room. They can’t put a 6,000+ pound, $100,000 Wrangler in lots and expect it to sell.
LOL, 4xe is done. Compass grille isn't helping it either. Stellantis lost when they didn't put the 5.7 in Gladiator. Two door Gladiator would have helped.
Jeep wave oil change: "Torque the drain plug with an air impact. Don’t start the bolt by hand, just put the bolt in the socket and get some speed on it before starting it into the oil pan. Return to customer." sad state of affairs.
Long time wrangler owner and just purchased a Willys 4xe. It’s an incredible vehicle if you set your expectations right. Batteries are heavy, not a jeep problem so 100mi range will be tough. My home built LiFePo4 solar battery at 15kw (smaller than wranglers and newer technology) is about 450lbs.
I live in upstate new york....winter is 6 months avg cold ...very cold per time of year...30 is a warm day...avg cold winter is 10 degree or below zero....ya a 4ex...battery vehicle...nope why own it, bc its not worth the "extra" price or one time discount on taxes....give me gas and a manual bc its worth more....just saying...plus like you said the weight and all....
I had a 2023 4XE Rubicon - sarge green.. had it new.. 8 months.. disappointed .. traded it back in.. it was gorgeous, got some Bronze Icon wheels 35” tires… gorgeous.. but the smaller gas tank and the lack of rage on the electric charge was a let down.
With the 15k added price tag for the 4xe the tax credit for me needs to be at least 15k!
It took me a while to buy my 2024 jeep wrangler because it was hard to find a gas only version that I wanted. I ended up buying from Vermont and having it delivered to my State. Turns out it's easier to buy a car over the phone and through text messages than in the dealership. Took less than 20 min and was delivered in under 24 hrs
The 4xe Wrangler has the small fuel tank from the 2 door. Hopefully, the Gladiator 4xe will get the larger tank.
I have a friend that owns a 4xE and loves it when she can use the battery, but they hate it for trips because they mpg. I think if they get the range up they would have way more sales because the Rav 4 Plug in hybrid Toyota has almost a year wait for them. Theres is a whole FB group on it and they have a lot of mixed reviews. I was on it for a while because I wanted to hear how it was before I bought my new to me Rubicon 3.6. So obviously I didn't feel good about one.
Good call thanks for commenting!
Never thought I would be a 4xe owner but it's the low barrier of entry. Where else can I get a $70K MRSP vehicle for $46K. The sales and incentives are insane. I leased mine and will wait to buy it out after I see the next refresh/reliability long term for these 4xe's. That's the biggest question that can only be answered in time.
Well negative I've seen on another channel engine problems 60.000 - 80.000 miles turned me off on 4Xe and prices just keep building my 2016 plus economy not great.
I can’t wait for the 4xe gladiator 😂 and it’s no secret. I’ve been saving my monies cuz I KNOW it’s going to be priced crazy. But I do hope that it has at least 50 miles of all electric range in the winter, and the hurricane engine. Everything else I can honestly fix myself.
Wait, wait, wait. Are you not aware of California's law! Seriously, read something, anything. You are SO uninformed
I rent these from National Car Rental nearly weekly, as it’s the Rubicon they have…and tons of them. The battery flat out sucks. I can’t make it from Dfw airport to Denton airport on the battery. It’s only 32 miles. You can watch the % lower almost by the second as you drive it.
The price is crazy to high. I bought a 2022 Rubi. It was $70k here in Canada. It's a great Jeep. But just too expensive. It might be my last one.
I contemplated a 4xe when ordering my last Wrangler, mostly for the tax credit. But the limited range is a no-go for me. My commute is more than double what the battery range is capable of. Then when you're in gas mode, you have a 2.0T carrying all that weight of the battery cells. Maybe one day Jeep will get it figured out and offer a better battery powered off-roader, but this isn't it.
Why are 4xe's sitting on the lots? It's simply because they're too expensive! Regular ICE Jeeps are already too expense - and then you add the extra cost/complexity of the electrification and that pushes the cost beyond what most Jeep fans are willing to pay.
I love Jeep Wranglers but would never buy a 4xE!
The government needs to stop forcing EV on those who don't want it! Especially based on their false narrative.
I'd love to be able to buy a 2 door Gladiator 4XE or BEV that will fit into my garage. A solar bed cover would be a nice option, too.
I would love a tan Wrangler, but no color will "push me over the edge" for a 4xe. 75-100 mile range would start the conversation.
Come on Matt! Start off with the real issues on the 4xe, and that is the issue with the vehicles that have been built across the board. First they have faulty batteries, blown fuses, and malfunctioning charging. This is what is being released now. There are much more issue than just this and on all 4xe vehicles, not just the Wrangler. Next, the mileage isn't that good. On the Gladiator there is a huge issue with weight, because the tow rating would be none if the battery is installed. Other than the mileage not being good, the issue with reliability there is also the power issue. The government has pushed and forced our vehicle manufactures to make these vehicles that are failures. I am sure I have said this here before, but maybe not, electric isn't the way. Hydrogen is, but there is no money in it for the administration that are in office now. Even better and Toyota is leading this along with China is Ammonia based fuel. The criminals in office right now are the cause of the USA not leading the way in new fuel sources. Yet! Toyota and China will change the future. It isn't about saving the environment, it is about money. Nothing more than money.
A few things - the range should not diminish in winter - I haven’t seen that. The battery weighs 700lbs which plants the wrangler and improves stability in find. We all want more range and I’m sure we will see it
Do you understand it never needs to be charged always a hybrid . Run second fastest behind 392 .
Really 5.5 sec 0-60 .
Price is issue on all jeeps
Jeep 4xe is the highest selling hybrid in the USA. Your right if the 4xe went 75 to 100 mile range it would blow the market for the 4xe
I think the 4XE has appropriate level of power. It always has ample power. The range is listed on the sticker so not sure why people complain it only gets 20 miles on a charge. Get the non-hybrid. And for the people that say it costs too much, go get a Tacoma, make it as capable as a Rubicon, make sure it still qualifies for factory warranty, and come back to report how much you saved. Negligible at best. Just .02.
Wait! What! No. No it's not divisive. Seriously, disappointing commentary.
im happy whit my 4xe Sahara 2024 on my small city Montreal . im able to use just electric to go to my work and save money to pay this expansive wangler :D
You’re dreaming, jeep is losing it! Electric off-road? Where do you charge it? Just stop! This will never be a good option for hard core Jeepers.
For me there is no option that would make me want a 4XE. I’m old school and love and demand a stick shift. I also don’t support the electric movement as the mining for the materials that make the batteries is so bad for the environment as well as the need to produce energy by still burning fossil fuels or nuclear energy that supports the grid. Still all that aside there is such a limited range and extreme weight in the 4XE. You also give up cargo space. It’s one of those things that just doesn’t make any sense to me especially once you look at the price point. I hope it just goes away
The vast majority of people don't want the 4XE or electric. That's why its not selling. The free market is working.
Your pushing it. If it is getting on battery in control conditions around 21 miles. 29 to 33 miles seems more real world numbers.
How much is gas per gallon in Pennsylvania? In California it’s 5 dollars. If gas is around 3 dollars a gallon no cares about how much they spend on gas.
I think closer to 50 miles all electric would help . Be able to use as generator ( like the F150 hybrid) to export power . Price has to come down .
Had this exact issue when I tried to buy (and order ) in PA. They only had 4xe and I needed to order to even get the change to test drive a 2024. Ended up cancelling my order and went to DE to get a Rubi off the lot. I am not opposed to a hybrid, I thing that is where we should invest effort into, not full electric right now. But for the 20 to 30 miles of range for my 60 mile commute to work and the extra 12 to 15k in cost.... Was a hard no. I love my Jeep but they are pricing themselves out of the market and for the money are not giving much versus another 60 to 70k suv.
The 4xes are too expensive for what you are getting and the quality of it and also some how seem to be able to have worse issues versus the other powertrains like catching fire, which I don’t know how that is still an issue since the 4xe has been out a few years now so that should not be happening at all and have other bugs worked out by now so I am sticking with my 3.6
Those color choices sir tell me I’m on my last 2018 Wrangler. My 4th since ‘88. Last. What do those colors say? Bath time
A jeep is supposed to be simple and clean up after getting dirty. Tech is not needed...what is important is simple and field reliable. In the end, Force is mass times acceleration. The physics of fuel and range matters on the trail where internet connectivity matters very little.
I have a love hate relationship with my 2023 4xe. If I had to do it over again I think I would do the 6 cylinder especially with the new axles.
Less complexity, more electric miles, and a normal torque converter… oh and trailer brake controller… its ridiculous its missing.
What they need is to do like the Ramcharger, look it up. 2025, it has a motor that is a generator, and drive train is all electric. You could cut some drive train weight, that can be put into batteries and go potentially smaller motor running at peak efficiency to get the most out of the mileage.
For me to even consider one it would definitely need to be a bigger range for starters. The other is price. To me if you want people to switch to this technology you gotta keep it the same price as the gas. Why would I want to spend more, they are getting too pricey as it is. And finally same options on all trims. Can’t stand that I order to get one option you need to have a certain engine or combo of items. Let me build what I want.
If they could offer a 4xe in manual, I would be an interested. It is technically possible, but I don’t see it happening.
I’m in Atlanta and they can’t keep these in stock. I just got a 4XE and had to compete with people from out of state to get it. A guy from Tennessee swiped one from me while on the way to the dealership.
Everything you said plus please, PLEASE, stop all the light blue accents!
4Xe = Hard No
i just want a stripper 392; all the power half the depreciation; lockers; seats; 392; done
Wranglers got to get bigger motor with hp and torque standard. 4xe way overpriced with the many issues that come with it..
Features don't mean as much as cost and range when considering my next buy. I live in a remote area so I won't buy electric until real world range in mountains is 200 miles.
If they drop the 3.0 hurricane in the new Gladiator 4xE I’ll spring for one.
Always been an irony to me that most of the legislators writing firearm laws and/or regulating off-road vehicles have never held a gun (let alone fired one) or left the pavement in an automobile.
I think the 4xe should just be straight hybrid. It's too complex and the electric range isn't worth it
Love my 4xe! Super quiet and I get almost 25 MPG on my '23 Rubicon.
price is why we don't want to buy them
I don't want more options. I want a Jeep more like a Mahindra Roxor.
I’ve been driving Jeeps all my life and a member of many clubs. I have yet to meet a 4xe owner that would buy another one.
All of these electric vehicles need to have generators that will fully charge the batteries while you are using gasoline to power the vehicle and extend the range of the battery to 300 + miles
I love my 4xe and in fact got it from Dan Cummins. Kudos to Megan...she's a boss!
But the horsepower and torque, which is available even if you’re not charged up.
Still waiting to see what the 2025 4xe will have before doing any new purchase
What happened to the bikini color? Not available when building a jeep anymore…
The jeep 4Xe outsells the Toyota Prius. They dont have to change anything.
I agree with you. I just couldn't imagine what these Jeeps would cost if they had any of these upgrades. They are already priced like they had these upgrades!
You’re on the money Matt !! Right on !!