Samsung's New Foldable Strategy Is Interesting...
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- Опубликовано: 22 май 2024
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If Sammy is gonna continue to charge what they do for the Fold, they gotta improve the camera and get the S-Pen housed in the phone... It's too much phone to not have the S-Pen in there.
Nope too overpriced too fragile too lacking....get rid of Flop and Fold
That and make the outer display wider.
Exactly right on all points. There is no reason why the S-Pen isn't inside this phone, cameras need to be spot on, and as I said before, the crease needs to be gone for that price.
OnePlus and Google has shown that folds are grest for chucking in the best tech and can still be priced the same. Samsung has cut a little to many corners with things on the fold.
Samsung's greatest enemy is the samsung itself.
Samsung needs to make sure their foldable has all of the Ultra features for that price. I have a Z Fold 5 but I really think paying $600 more than a S23 Ultra should get me all of the features from it, as well as the folding display.
Literally the only feature the Z Fold doesn't have when compared to the S23 Ultra is the 10x telescope lens.
@@MisterMathematics uh, except that just off the top of my head, all 3 cameras on the fold are inferior, it doesn't have the 10x optical zoom camera (like you pointed out), it doesn't have the 100x hybrid zoom, it has a smaller battery, it doesn't come with the S-pen, the S-pen isn't held internally, the S-pen doesn't work on the outer screen, the S-pen doesn't have the Bluetooth functions,
@@callmemarc Fold has 5 cameras, and only the one on the bigger display is a crappy camera. All of the other ones take pictures of the same quality. And that's true about the S-pen. Only reason I'd switch to an Ultra is for the 10x telescope lens.
The fact people actually pay for netflix with ads is absolutely mind boggling! Paying for something with ads! People have lost their minds!
It's similar to buying a phone on a contract. Not everyone can afford the phone they want outright. Paying a monthly subscription to have the phone you want us better than not having that phone. Similarly, allowing ads to have Netflix at a discount is still better than no Netflix, if you want to watch Netflix that is.
100% agree, the price (here in Canada is like $3000+tax) of foldables is literally the only thing that's stopping me from getting one, when you can get a full Laptop for less, or a gaming pc with 4080 lol
I think Samsung phones really took off when they started to offer Wacom-enabled pen support. They were the only company to break the mold and offer a phone with a stylus that allows true pressure and tilt capabilities. I know this doesn’t mean much to the average buyer, but when they try a pen on a screen, it just feels right instead of the silly capacitive stylus pens out there. The pen feature is so overwhelmingly effective for power users that the lay person then tries to emulate the functionality in their own life. I think that was the biggest boost to Samsung’s phone department. The lack of a functional pen system with the Z Fold was and will continue to be its downfall. Overall, Samsung phones will lose their edge if they relegate their pen to a toy or gimmick instead of a power user tool. I truly believe that without this bit of tech, Samsung is no better than any other cell phone brand with a big markup. I would have purchased the Fold 5, but it didn’t include a pen. I bought my Fold 4 because it included a pen (a free case with a pen, but an included pen nonetheless). Eitherway it feels like samsungs pen is becomimg less important to the goals of the company and as such samsung is becoming less important to its potential customers. Just check out the reviews left on the microsoft store for samsung notes after samsung cut the ability to use samsung notes on non samsung computers.
apps.microsoft.com/detail/9NBLGGH43VHV?hl=en-us&gl=US
You'll have to expand to read the slew of pissed samsung core users.
Its a big problem when your core users are being forced to find other solutions to problems Samsund once solved but no longer deem important...
Thx for the news!
I think, more than the price, the problem is the practical part of the unfolded screen. The apps use 18/9 format and normal, slab phones are better suited for it. We already have good multitasking features in normal phones.
For me it’s the form factor! I just can’t use that outer display and it’s too thick
Samsung should use silicon carbon batteries like the Honor V2 for a bigger battery size in a smaller form factor, improve the under display camera, and widen the cover screen.
Nope they are fine
Foldables are still too expensive, and have reliability issues. They're much better than they were a few years ago, but I just can't see them becoming mainstream until they address these two pain points.
This is what I'm saying, personally the main thing holding me back from buying a foldable is the price.
It's reliable if you take care of it.
Exactly
@@Jon.Edgar.Martinnope
@@DENVEROUTDOORMANyes.
They need to be cheaper, thinner, no crease, and better interior screen protection. Otherwise, they are perfect! They'll also need a bigger product line to hit that target. An fe flip that's not as skinny when open would be the best place to start.
What is the name of the phone at 5:59 ? Thank you
If the Z Fold 6 were to succeed, this what it needs to add: a built in spen, Ultra cameras, wider front screen, cheaper
They need to make the inner screen as durable as the outer one and get rid of the crease.
"Where were you guys? Come on!" did it for me!
Samsung's saving grace in the foldable game is their OS. I don't think anyone except for Google is even in the same playing field. That may not last for long, however.
Samsung needs to offer several fold models at different price points. Have 2 or 3 of each style with one ultra fold and an ultra flip
With that One+ Open.. Sammy gonna have to step up there foldable game.
Once I've had a S-pen I think I'd always be looking for one. I think for the 23uktra was perfect it's hard to see how that's going to get better.
ya try the note 20ultra its even better. so sad to watch samsung flush its greatest asset down the toilet.
Here's the thing and this is going to be a tough sale for any company but for foldables to have widespread adoption and we're just talking about the book style foldables not the clamshell style foldables but for the book style foldables to have widespread adoption they need to hit that all elusive price point of $1,000 which can be easily broken down into easy monthly payments over 24 months or 36 months which is what everybody is doing now in terms of carrier payments so it will be $1,000 outright or a little bit over that after taxes or you can get it easily on your carry of choice via 24 months monthly payments or 36 monthly payments. Price is by far the biggest factor holding foldables back from widespread adoption. The other major factor is the outer display The outer display needs to function as a traditional big display smartphone slab with the inner display functioning more like a tablet/laptop desktop replacement. So in terms of the outer display it needs to be a traditional 5.8 in minimum to probably we can say 6.7 in maximum with the inner display being probably 7.8 in minimum to maybe iPad mini 8.4 in maximum. And then it needs to have the compatible software to make it usable convenient yet versatile. Now in terms of Samsung they have the inner display down and the software down their main issue is that outer display and as we've seen from companies that have just entered the book style foldable market in Google and OnePlus via oppo a lot of regular people or more likely to get those style phones because they have a traditional bigger outer display and they have similar software to what Samsung offers when using the inner display. With one plus being the closest to what Samsung offers but also competing very nicely with their bigger traditional outer display and their same size interdisplay but with similar if not better software to go along with their OnePlus open. And OnePlus is doing this at a cheaper price point outright undercutting Samsung by 100 to $200 and then they have higher trade-in values which can bring the price of their OnePlus open down even further so once Samsung can figure out a way to fix these major issues they will return to dominating in the foldable department. Thank you for the great coverage as always keep up the great work have a good one and I'll catch you on the next one.
The z fold 6 ultra is what I'm excited for I told Samsung add : Make sure they do 1 tb mininum and 16 gb RAM and make a 2 tb model if no micro SD card, put 6000 mah battery. Put the charger and wire in box again. Make sure the front screen is wider even the same size as my s23 ultra . Make the screen 2500 nits . Put the s pen inside and make it work with the front screen as well as the inside screen. Put the s23 camera and work hard on low light and even create AI for improved low light video . Put 4 speakers make sure it's extra sound as good as tab s9 ultra .
The reason Ive been emphasizing these improvements is because look at pixel fold , xiaomi mix fold 3, and now one plus open fold . The competition is getting tougher and I'm a huge Samsung fan and I want them to win but they have work to do .
what's the phone at 6:00 ?
2 versions needed and would solve samsungs issues,. Fold 6 and fold 6 ultra...where the fold 6 sells for much less meeting mainstream prices to grab sales, and the ultra to push the technology
The ZFold 6 needs to be an S24 Ultra that folds. It doesn't look good when your most expensive device doesn't even have what the S Ultra has.
Also, the ZFold 6 needs to have a wider outer display. I love One UI but am tired of the narrow exterior display and the subpar cameras. Thick or thin doesn't matter to me as long as I get the specs and hardware for the price.
One Plus Open is calling my name.
All Sammy needs to do is copy Oppo/1+ designs put the S22U camera system on it. Increase the width to make it thinner and add more battery and the S-Pen. Bump the storage down to 256G max but offer uSD card slot with a 1TB card for $50 at time of purchase. The price should come in at $1399.
Samsung have good name and established good user base in the US and western market. It doesnt need to do much just look at what Oneplus (or Oppo or whatever chinese foldable) do, making the unfold screen more normal phone like and give them proper flagship cameras.
Owned the z fold 3 and now use the z fold 4, really loved them, could be lighter and thinner + wider front display.
Ofcourse it would sell better if the pricea were lowered but thats not always easy..
Some sort of dust protection would be nice, always feel somewhat OCD when I'm taking the phone outdoors.
Zero issues and got a free screenprotector change earlier this year..
Too overpriced too fragile and too lacking
Sammy needs to make the Fold thinner, lighter, and cheaper.
Aspect ratio and inner display
Samsung needs to have a bigger screen:body ratio for the outer display...should have flagship cameras and yes rethink the pricing..
Either lower the price, or if they want to keep the price the same it needs to have better camera and battery than the Ultra phones.
Nah just drop Flops and Folds
Needs a larger putter display. Can’t stand the thin outer display on my fold 2 and it’s why I never upgraded it
You hit the nail on the head. Foldable were supposed to get less expensive over time.
The OnePlus Open is a step in the right direction. And the Honor Magic v2 is looking to go even further when it hits western markets.
Great content. For me, at least. The most important thing is for samsung to make the inner screen with gorilla glass
Sammy have to drop prices on foldables to meet the goal. And add micro sd card slot. I'm rocking F3 still like a champ
I have a fold 4 and would rather go back to a regular phone. No spen (as who can carry it around all day) average camera, average battery life, but the biggest issue is getting the screen protector replaced. I'll have to send the phone back to Samsung to do this in. Australia.
Netflix keeps raising its price every month? Screw those greedy bastards.
I don't understand why companies jack up the price so high. It been proven in study if you raise the prices you actually lose more money because of the price hike. Higher prices mean less customers.
I completely agree on the foldables take. I like the concept but the price tag does not justify me making a move from your standard flagship. I could get a tablet and phone for the same price.
If it's just at the same price then doesn't that make a foldable a better deal? You get both devices in one, making for an ultra portable tablet. A tablet available to you at times when you otherwise wouldn't have your tablet around.
...but foldable comes with compromises. Easily scratched, lower longterm durability. Just not quite there yet.
Larger size. It hink the pixel passport size is good but bigger.. so tht way you don’t have a small screen in the front.. and focus more on tha folding tablet than a phone as the flip is more of a phone
Of bring dex to the flip
Pricing aside, one of the biggest advantages Samsung has is their software support period. More mainstream users don't like upgrading their phone every two years or being left out of new update cycles. Google understands this with their promise of a 7-year support cycle-whether they'll follow through or not given their track is another debate, but committing to longevity is an edge that many of these other companies competing with their foldables don't seem willing to engage with. Mainstream public perception of foldables, at least from my anecdotal experience, is also still hung up on reliability, and so committing to a longer software support timeline might ease some of those anxieties by implying longer-lasting hardware in that regard.
For the price, it has to be a complete full Pro phone: best cameras on a phone, microSD card and top specs
I like my pixel fold a ton!!
I think they'll be successful but they have to lower the price a lot if they want to reach that goal
I need a high quality inner display camera so that I can use it for video chat or VTCs both for personal and work purposes. That's my only reason why I have not upgraded from Fold 3. The inner display camera is still crap.
Also the RUclips App is not the same with the regular Samsung nonfoldables. I can't see the community posts of channels I subscribed to but when I use it on S23 Ultra, there it is. Also not having full view of YT shorts. It's blown up so much you can't see the top part of the videos.
I wish foldables would go away...
I also think phone prices are way over the top.
I'm due for an upgrade but S23 ultra 512gb in Australia is STILL $2k.
Its honestly,just insane
Samsung needs to make the Z Fold6 with the highest specs, thinner and larger outside display
Waiting to upgrade to M3 OLED iPad. Might consider Samsung tablet should apple drop OLED.
i think they should go back to S9 style thinness and one camera, small battery for people who use a phone 4 hrs or less. then hit the 1000 price point
then with the revenues maybe build out a better model again
Foldables need ultra cameras for that price tags
Yep it's the price and it's also the durability of the phone itself... The price has to be closer to a thousand in the 2000 cuz once it gets closer to the 2000 I'm not even interested.
excited for next gen ipads
Samsung needs to make the next z fold the new note. With a dock for the pen. They need back their professional orientated flagship. The note to me was the tool kit on the back of the truck wile the s is the Swiss army knife.
They need to bring the price down, include the top tier cameras, make it wider (like the oneplus open), pen in the phone
I'd like the galaxy s series to be a wider phone I think my s22plus is too narrow
Price too high on fold. I have one but buy them used.
They need to innovate line chineese this incremental upgrade policy at that price not gonna work in long run
Yeah
I need flagship camera specs, s-pen built-in and a Micro SD slot otherwise ill continue to stick with my ZF3.
It was said years ago, "It's not a hardware game anymore, It's a software game!"
I think the reality is that the vast majority of folks out there just aren’t interested in foldables unfortunately. They have to get to a point where the price is reasonable, and they have a foldable for every regular S series equivalent so that folks who want both a phone and a tablet in one can get one at their level of needs and spend. Example Samsung S24 Fold, Samsung S24+ Fold, and Samsung S24 Ultra Fold, in each case, matching the S variants cameras etc, but adding the folding and conversion to a tablet. They also have to make the form factor a lot closer to the Google Fold or OnePlus, since the current Z Fold front screen is very difficult to use.
I hope the fold don’t flop
The price for the Z Fold series is justifiable IF they can offer premium features like it's cousin the S23U. The S23U is an excellent phone overall (best one on the market IMO), had great battery life, best cameras and of course the built in stylus. If the Fold 5 can offer those same things, it's over for all other companies...at least until Apple comes out with their foldable lol. I got the Z Fold 5 because of the trade in deal during the pre-order. That was their saving grace and what finally got me to switch to a foldable!
PS
The Z Fold 5 is the best smartphone I've ever owned and it's crazy to think it can get even better in due time
For Samsung to really to be successful with the fold, they need to take the s23 ultra and make it a foldable phone. I don't mind the extra bulk, but the narrow front screen, lack of built in stylus, and some cheap cameras isn't worth the money they are charging.
The only way too Double the sales on foldable devices is to lower the price ...
Not sure I can trust fold phone, after 1.5 year my fold 3 speaker die out when I'm tablet mode , but in phone Mode is ok, to repair it cost more than a 2nd hand fold 3
iPad highlighting b-roll on deck!
Samsung needs to not release the same phone 3 years in a row. They had no competition in the folding sector until now here in NA so now they will be forced to make a big change. It's unfortunate this change probably won't happen until fold 7
I do not see myself using a foldable any time soon...
Yes, It's the price for me
Foldables. Interesting but I still personally can't use it as a daily driver. Maybe because I prefer smaller phones?
Foldables allow for phones to be smaller. You can have a tablet in a regular phone package or a regular phone in an even smaller package.
Samsung needs to make its rollable.
Samsung goal for 20-30 million foldables means;
Z Fold FE units under $1000CAN, not a real drop in features. No S-Pen
Z Fold 6 a real premium unit (hardware and software and major advancements) to make the sale price to offset the R&D.
Samsung needs to widen the outside screen and mark it down to $1400 to make it more compelling. And include the s pen in the phone!!! If they widen the outside screen, that would make enough room for the spen!
Keeping DeX off the Zflip is the only thing keeping me from buying it-even at its current price.
Flop Flop too overpriced too fragile and too lacking
Price. If they make fild 6 or some fold fe, for like 1000-1200 bucks THEN it would explode
They should make a Fold 6 Ultra, make it tiny bit wider and give it the s24 ultra camera & bigger battery. Don't make the pen smaller. The bigger pen is the best part of the fold. the note pen is tiny and terrible
Most people that hate on foldables have no clue what it's like to live with one. I have the Flip5 and it's dope AF. Plus, the trade-in deals will be insane next year too so I'll be able to upgrade for nothing. 💀
Samsung better come out with a better fold because that new One Plus open is looking very good and I might but it
Yeah that price is ridiculous. No way I can justify spending $1500 on a phone.
The crease is too noticeable. I noticed it on the Fold 3 & 4, but I didn’t return them because of that. I returned them because the cover display is just way too narrow. It physically hurt my hands to use it so I returned the Fold devices a few hours later.
I sold my fold 5 to get the oneplus open. I love Samsung software but hate that they still keep giving us inferior cameras and the front display is too narrow. It's unusable for people with even medium sized hands. They should have given us the s23 ultra level cameras for this price. They need to make a better device now or sales will fall further.
Hey Samsung.. what about "Thingly Thinner, Way Wider and Cheerily Cheaper"?! 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Fold should be the flagship not the Ultra if they want the sales, obviously the Ultra has the spen and a superior camera
Imagine going back to LCD from OLED.😂
Foldables just aren't durable enough to justify the eye watering prices. There's no way I'd lose I'd lose the features on my S23 Ultra for the sake of a flimsy plastic screen and a hinge
The price needs to lowered.. then widen the phone, and give ultra cameras and spen.. the fold is supposed to be a flagship on top of flagship device.. if its the same old design next year def getting pixel fold.. the a fold 5 is lame
It always was lame too overpriced too fragile and too lacking
now i understand why Luffy wants to be a pirate
Until the Fold has an S Pen and the price is not so high, I will never get one. Still rocking my Note 10 Ultra.
Pricing on Folds is the biggest obstacle to widespread adoption
Samsung needs to do a foldable that is larger and thinner and sell it for 1000 dollars !
Nope just get rid of
@@DENVEROUTDOORMAN hahaha come on, they have the best foldable software at the moment .. and hardware is great except the aspect ratio, that's an easy fix
RUclips premium also raised their price from $11.99 to $13.99
Price the Z Fold at 1099, and watch it sell like hot cakes. It could even eat into a major share of iPhone sales, which start at a similar price point.
I think Samsung needs a bigger outer display for the fold 6 and bigger battery to compete with the other US book style foldables at least that would make me upgrade from my z fold 4
Bring the price down to $999 along with the flip
Don’t make the down payment $1000 6:53
Time to boycott all streaming services!!!!!
Better price, s-pen durability.
The price is too high for a technology that has questional longevity with their screen.
Price, price, price. Nobody not even me will ever spend more than 1k on a fking phone, especially a regular phone like that. They gonna go nowhere if they keep that price
The oneplus open is so much better in size.
they just need to lower the price
They are waiting for others to implement it and make it great before they invent it.