@@SageOfLimitlessHands true but other classes have more weapons and therefore twice the ammo pool that say the bulwark and assault do. With just a sidearm with no extra ammo, we have literally half the ammo as anyone else without that primary
Was running ruthless with randos, and a level 25 bulwark was in party. no contested health perk or flag. Was dead useless, any other class can still out damage them. At that point you will get better damage mitigation thru prevention, just by killing faster. ok, cool, he was a tank, but he was in the corner the entire time with a small group of mobs that he took too long to clear otherwise. Too much team utility was given up.
This is why I don't consider any build without the aoe parry that legit. A good bulwark is constantly attacking, which encourages attacks, which means more aoe parries. With this, his shield and his ability to block cancel, contrary popular opinion he should be the most aggressive player on the team
@@tbone9474 He is a tank without an aggro or taunt. I am still facing mobs of my own while he is busy tanking his share. I would end up going to assist him after I finished clearing up. After learning majoris and boss attack patterns, any class can tank to a degree as well. A pure tank class isn't required for operations, I would much prefer a tank that could also heal the team. To me it is a non-choice, and I have been locked in on my contested health perks since they became available on my bulwark. On lethal, a bulwark that didn't offer heals would be a detriment to the team, you require fast clearing otherwise you will face extra waves of enemies that could end the run.
@careyosoup274 yes I agree. Personally i love vanguard knife in the thick of it. I'm just saying he's not meant to do damage but to tank and keep people up. Which is what he does
I think people forget Bulwark isnt a damage dealer, he's the tank/healer his job is to draw aggro, drop a shock field in enemy dense areas, pick up reckless downed allies (assaults'/vanguards who rush in recklessly) with his banner, his job is to keep you alive.
I haven't used the Shock AOE in a long time, I prefer being able to Gunstrike and get armor back, especially against bosses because you can refill all your armor with a gunstrike. Bulwark is a support class with decent damage, granted I out damage and kill most players I run with. Just gotta know how-to use em
@@Soul-HunterVIII I just prefer the shock for its utility, Ive gotten good enough to survive without the gun strikes but I do agree its handy in a pinch.
I feel like a lot of players aren’t trying to play that healer role because for starters we have no designated healer class so some players are just playing it for the shield and sword style but also a lot of players run off and make it harder to even heal them
Eh I'm still gonna try to charge headfirst into the horde and start heavy slapping everything up to warrior level enemy's (I'm gonna light attack spam them
Honestly i feel like bulwarks powersword just needs more damage cause itll make them better at offensive fighting rather than reviving reckless teamates and getting contested health back because i love bulwark but the powersword feel like beating a tank with a wet spaghetti noodle at times
Actually bulwark is good without healing perks, but not team oriented + Bulwark healing is a must for teamplay, so no it's not useless, it's less "practical". ( you can build him just to do zone dmg, dont forget that stim is for everyone) and I wanted to ad... I m always the last one standing somehow.... and wtf are ppl complaining about how we use our flag, uh ? do heavy use their shield for team. no tactic taking out terminus or covering ppl. no same with snipe.no vanguard goes brr (they always do their job) assault is on the same spot as bul so yeah. the other classcwith team abilities dont even care about you, all they want is their bul dog to heal them. I got kicked of a game just because I couldn't save a heavy ... ( he run meele -> die-> 4 death btw-> make us loose, did he use his ablity for the team, guess what..... no) I hate meltagun user (not bc they are bad, bc meltagun do all the work, I can just stand there and look at them taking over the game) or ppl who spam grenades when we are in meele with the ennemy. I could do a whole 1 h montage of ppl shooting me with grenades lol.
@ don’t worry I finished watching! Sounds like people are having bad experiences but I stand by the fact that bulwarks are great. I’ve only done one solo lethal mission and it was with my bulwark. And I was crunching the shock to kill majoris super hard. You can take out a group or majoris easily with a properly timed parry.
@@kalenwilliams5210 well thats just objectively wrong. They have access to the chain sword which is basically the best melee weapon and they can debuff enemies with their shock. So they shred things with melee.
@@Phan_the_Mighty how’s it wrong if every class that also has the chain sword can out put more damage ? Plus even with the power sword which is suppose to be faster and deal more damage performs worse ?
Not even close, bulwark has 2 of the best melee weapons for horde clear in game and an instantaneous animation cancel on top of two of the best perks with armor reinforcement+intimidating aura completely independent of his contested health regen+delay perks. The only thing bulwark's kit is lacking is ammunition for his secondary which is almost always going to be the Plasma Pistol
Lot of people saying bullwark is tanky… i think its just as tanky as any other class when you got parry down and less tanky than vanguard who can heal 10% off of a majoris. Holding aggro is also not really a thing. You could just as well take other range classes and shoot a majoris to „take“ aggro. Without heal, only the longer lasting contested health stands out. Everything else, other classes can do equally good or better. And so many people saying, i do most melee dmg in my groups: so can for example the tactical if you focus only on melee. But he also has solid range dmg. Which makes me think: what do the shock grenade drop dmg of the bullwark count towards? Melee? Range? 😂
I think the most frustrating experience to see when I play with a random bulwark on lethal is ones that try to take every stim lol. I never take stims as a bulwark and it's insane to me that some of the Randoms I play with will try and grab every one as a bulwark 😂😂😂 we need a community discord!
Bruhhh same. I remember specifically playing with a guy named Shadowthane260. Max bul stole every stim, tried to steal most executes, and never healed. I let him die the whole time sorry. I hate players like that. Stick to solos
If no one else has mortal I usally take 2 stims as bulwork, but basically never use them unless team is dead. I always get gene seed when its found, and am constantly pinging my ability charge to let people know when I have banner. Yet I still always get max level people who dont run 15% ability on exectute for vanguard, or 10% on hs for sniper, who waste stims when I can heal them safely, or will have mortal wounds and waste stims when not close to max hp. Despite me chasing them around the map, pinging banner status trying to give them a safe full heal of constested hp where all they have to do is pop stim. Or a heavy who runs revive perk, who wastes 3 stims when he could've just blown up a barrel next to him and got rezzed to full hp and used 1 stim to take mortal. I find it less fustrating to see them wasted when I can basically guarantee the win with 2 stims as bulwork even with bad teamates/teamates that don't understand game mechanics.
In lethal I totally agree bc you need to have the team synergy to survive. On other difficulties I don’t mind, just had a lvl 18 bulwark join with no class perk & we did fine in ruthless (I kinda carried)
The shield reflect doesn't hurt teammates anymore. It's main issue is that it give no feedback for what its damaging. I've tested it on the shotgun tyranids and I can kill them with it but again, no visual indicator its doing damage.
I do prioritize myself for heals. Wayyyy too many times people run off, suddenly stop attacking or literally stand there doing nothing and waste their stim after the contested health is all gone.
Our job is to keep the team alive, stay alert and give focus on stick together and help your brother, play as support. When facing against Terminus boss, do a frontline tanker, engage fight with courage to let other brother to deal damage.
I think the "useless" terminology is just internet talk. If he's not top tier then he's useless, if something's not amazing then it's rubbish / garbage, etc. Personally I really enjoy making shock areas, paired with 25% more damage to enemies in any shock area, from any attack from any player. And the aoe when parrying adds to the niceness. The flag also has some use, beyond the awesome contested health perk 🙂
useless by internet talk actually means 2 things, Either A. It's genuinely useless and needs a change or major buff Or B. It's so extremely inconsistent that its basically useless, something that only works 10% of the time is not a good thing vs what works 90% of the time.
I love bulwark but I don't play it in pubs because you definitely are a huge team player with a very specific play style, recently been playing tactical and is the only class ill bring to lethal because I'm honestly too worried about being dead weight with any other class and the team getting mad
Bulwark's damage on parry is actually insane (not AoE shock but the single damage parry), you deal with Majoris about twice as quick as anyone else. Imo that alone brings them to A tier damage wise, then their survivability is so good with Armor on Non-lethal Gun Strike and any version of the flag brings them to S. Health regen perk brings them to S+. But I'll deal with this mis info that bulwark is ba, that just means more bulwark spots for me
Not needed since a good bulwark won't get hit. But he should be the most aggressive player on the team and use his pistol to grab aggro from as many ranged mobs as possible. He should be the most aggressive player due to - shield - block cancel - attacking encourages attacks, which means more aoe parries His 1st and 3rd team perk do need a look since theyre overshadowed by his 2nd team perk. Same for his perk column with healing flag. Its so powerful, it's class defining.
As a Bulwark main, I agree that it have the lowest damage output but you are not a whimp noodle either. With the shock build I can do 11k damage constantly per lethal game while I usually got 13-16k per game with assault.
Bulwark isn't useless without his banner heal, but it definitely adds an immense amount of usefulness when he has it since it's the most reliable way to get health back. If we get a class like Apothecary, it will be less needed and there should be more build variety
For is bulwark is kinda iffy without clear communication it’s really hard to keep everyone’s healths topped out specially if you like those ranges classes sniper, heavy, tactical
I can say from experience you don’t NEED healing perks on bulwark, I know from leveling up bulwark. I did pretty good most of the time as I’m better with melee than range
The idea of a bully build w/o Invig Icon is an interesting one. Bully is one of the best mob clear classes especially with power sword in power stance, but Invig Icon is such a no-brainer perk. My knee-jerk reaction is to lean on bully's AoE with shock charge and banner damage and go from there. Worth looking into that's for sure. Interesting topic. EDIT (1243): Just finished a private match Decap Ruthless, with Bulwark and yeah it's still a great class... far from pointless as someone above has said. Final Melee damage: 16462 / Ranged damage: 9342 / Kills: 595 / Incapacitations: 0 / Damage Taken: 953 / Teamates Revived: 0 (I let the bots take care of themselves...I'm selfish like that). In my estimation Bulwark is strong, a great tank class, with great survivability, BUT a very low Time-to-Kill and this contributes to the class feeling underwhelming for some folks... it's understandable, but not deserving of slander. The Emperor Protects.
My first reaction on that topic "YOUR BRAIN IS USELESS YOU TWAT", Bulwark is not a healer and will never be. If we wanna healer in the party, we must wait until devs release Apothecary to the game.
Bulwark hands down has the best melee weapon in the game in the power sword, and also have the only non-ability based defense gear in the shield. I play Vanguard mainly, and bulward usually have me beat in melee dmg, that does have a lot to do with me being very reliant on my melta, but even so... Every class in the game is good in their own right, but what is more crippling, is bad team pairing, and even that can be overcome.
Yep, exactly right brother. Team Synergy will make or break a squad most of the time. That is until you very high competency players aware of the squads imbalances and can adjust their tactics to overcome those deficiencies.
The problem with melee classes is that melee weapons suck. They're unfun to use and don't even kill trash mobs in 1 swing most of the time. It's fine to kill medium enemies sometimes, but mainly cause of parrying, but for crowd control, I'd rather have any primary gun instead
Honestly, this question is not reasonable. It's kinda saying what if Vanguard without majoris health replenishment or what if Tac without ammo replenishment Each class has its advantage and unique ability,.. that's why we can enjoy picking different classes in the first place
I never use the Neo Volkite on Bulwark, Plasma Pistol is superior in every way. The damage is better, can stop reinforcement calls, and it's top tier at recovering contested health. With a Vanguard, a Bulwark can have their banner constantly because of the Vanguard team perk that recovers ability by a % after execution. If Bulwarks don't have the Perk to heal contested health, then they're just bad. As a Bulwark there is no point not using Invigorating Icon, it's what keeps the Bulwark alive and a unstoppable force. I solo Ruthless and Lethal all the time with Bulwark. They definitely have the damage to keep up. The issue is most Bulwarks just use Light Attacks and Power Rakes once in awhile. Power Stance is where it's at with Bulwark, you hit like a truck, have awesome AOE damage, then you mix in Double Power Rakes and Power Whirls. Players sleep on Power Whirl, it's very powerful. Let's not forget about Intimidation Aura, constant AOE damage when parrying, you'll kill a swath of Gaunts after a single parry, not just one of them. Defensive Mastery is great as well, you can instant kill a Majoris or Extremis every 2 min, it's especially useful for Extremis on Lethal. Being able to instantly kill one of the Lictors or Ravenours is very helpful. It's even better for Chaos missions, since you aren't parrying often, so when you finally do it usually instantly puts a Rubric, Terminator or Sorcerer into a executable state. My main is Bulwark and I know it well, my Perks are optimal for all difficulties, whether I'm solo or with other players. I you've ever played with a Bulwark on PS5 named Soul-Hunter, then you've been graced by a true Veteran Astartes. Lol. I always keep my team topped up on HP, mark items and make sure you're not being swarmed and if you are, this Bulwark is rushing into hell to get ya out.
I put me and my friends on level three difficulty I always think I was below level 5 with bulwark . So I didn't even have the skills that y'all were talking about and I did not go down I was the one that stayed up My friends went down multiple times they even told me to grab the relics because I was surviving a lot longer than everybody else. But I think it's also bulwark feels more like a dark souls character you have to dodge you have to pair you have to know when to attack not just run in there like a damn bull in a China shop.
A bulwark who doesn’t heal, run contested health, hogs equipment, and can’t parry nor hold his own is useless. As a bulwark main I’ve helped some who are willing to listen. The other ones who continue being a sandbag get sent back to the battle barge. I’m trying to run Ruthless and Lethal not a daycare.
It depends. I just change my play style depending on the difficulty and the enemy for pve. If you have a healing build you can just run it down mid and have a ton of fun getting swarmed. If not then you have to play more reserved and think. It is very different without regen on g strikes.
What you are highlighting here is the power of Squad Composition. Those same classes all have other comps in which they will ostensibly suffer more though and it's important to mindful of that, so that you can adjust your tactics (playstyle) as needed.
I prefer to go tactical, bulwark, heavy for lethal difficulty, but if bulwark didn't have the contested health banner, I'd go tactical, vanguard, heavy.
it use to with the heal perk constantly restore contested health throughout the entire duration of the banner, but then they nerfed it to basically full pop contested then drain rapidly.
Its arguably the worst class now that the Assault class has been tweaked. The healing abilities and the non finisher gun strike perk are great, but it can't really do much else otherwise.
I took a break from the game for a bit. And i come back and now my fucking banner isnt healing the way it should. I'm constantly having connection issues just joining a goddamn lobby. I cant even load up a specific mission that i want to do at all because everytime i do it just disconnects me and forces me to the main menu or offline mode. Getting this skin for the chainsword has been painful. The fuck happened? I was gone for like a month! Not even! And the game is running like shit right now. Sure i've had connection issues but when starting up a lobby? I try to get a lobby started up. Specifically Vox Libertartis, and it doesn't search for any players. it'll state that it is, and then i'll get told it's disconnecting me from the server. It's not my connection cause everything else is working fine, and it literally did that on every single attempt over 2 days. If I cancel the search for players? Disconnected from server. The game feels funny for a second? Disconnected from server. I dont get what the fuck happened? It's not unplayable but with how long load times are it's super fucking annoying. So the error code is erro code 140. Anyone else having this issue?
Bulwark offensively sucks BUT he basically can stand one on one with the hive tyrant and control all agro on the battlefield. Your the worlds biggest distraction and a instant stim with the right banner
no he doesn’t, his parries are like infinite grenades that do area effect damage around him and he gets a perk that allows him to automatically parry kill extremis enemies. Granted that’s using his defense for offense but the best offense is an indestructible defense.
@@jarlwilliam9932 when I say offense I mean his weapon kit , yes , the shock build is viable even on lethal but that it is very reliant on gun strikes which is my point , you can’t use the power sword as intended to carve into tough enemies, it’s just a parry stick . You get more damage out of two gun strikes and a shock drop every couple minutes than you do dumbing entire combos into majors .
@ parry reliant , gun strike reliant , regardless my point was that bullwork is the only class where I don’t feel like I get much used out of actually swinging my big lightning sword which you would think would be his main source of damage , not the shock grenade gimmick or the gun strikes , I just want to smack things with my big lighting sword lol
if i have a bulwark without the healing perk id honestly just take a vanguard with melta or an assault with aoe ground pound instead of the boss killer one it just instantly demoralizes if i pop on lethal and i see a bulwark vacuuming stims while running volkite and no healing banner or above all worse they cant parry to save their own skin and just keep dropping
You described 80% of the bulwarks I see in public operations. They'll literally stand there, facing a single warrior, waiting for a circle attack to parry, fail to parry, go down, and then be on coms like "I was holding aggro guys I cant do everything!!" Meanwhile me n the 3rd guy are fighting a ravener, a zoanthrope, and 12-15 warriors.
@nathancawley8759 I need to see these guys but I'm almost always bulwark. Trust me, if a bulwark knows what they're doing, they don't need help killing anything except maybe zyons. Survival wise, it's only their fault. Unless you're the jerk throwing grenades at our feet.
I think certain players are shit ? Like I’ve played every class, the games a great and fun game at that, but every class is unique in their own way, putting ‘skill points’ 🤓 aside if your struggling with a class, just move on ? Clearly you can’t play that role the way it’s intended, so stfu, learn how to play that class, or just move on to another ?
Bros bad at bulwark. Free shocks on parry, 25% damage increase to enemies in shock zones. Hes a force multiplier for the team. His only drawback is fighting ranged enemies/zoans/neurothropes. And when it comes to healing. Timing is key, blowing banners without communication usually ends up with teammates not being nearby, or not filling that contested health.
Bulwarks only issue is zoanthropes when you’ve ran out of ammo. Absolute pain in the ass.
That is everyone's issue when you have no ammo and fight a zoanthrope
@@SageOfLimitlessHands true but other classes have more weapons and therefore twice the ammo pool that say the bulwark and assault do. With just a sidearm with no extra ammo, we have literally half the ammo as anyone else without that primary
@BasSine_Studio oh for sure.
Was running ruthless with randos, and a level 25 bulwark was in party. no contested health perk or flag. Was dead useless, any other class can still out damage them. At that point you will get better damage mitigation thru prevention, just by killing faster.
ok, cool, he was a tank, but he was in the corner the entire time with a small group of mobs that he took too long to clear otherwise. Too much team utility was given up.
This is why I don't consider any build without the aoe parry that legit. A good bulwark is constantly attacking, which encourages attacks, which means more aoe parries. With this, his shield and his ability to block cancel, contrary popular opinion he should be the most aggressive player on the team
his useless perks not withstanding, Bulwarks are supposed to be a tank, not a damage dealer, so I should hope you outdamage him
@@tbone9474 He is a tank without an aggro or taunt. I am still facing mobs of my own while he is busy tanking his share. I would end up going to assist him after I finished clearing up.
After learning majoris and boss attack patterns, any class can tank to a degree as well. A pure tank class isn't required for operations, I would much prefer a tank that could also heal the team. To me it is a non-choice, and I have been locked in on my contested health perks since they became available on my bulwark.
On lethal, a bulwark that didn't offer heals would be a detriment to the team, you require fast clearing otherwise you will face extra waves of enemies that could end the run.
@careyosoup274 yes I agree. Personally i love vanguard knife in the thick of it. I'm just saying he's not meant to do damage but to tank and keep people up. Which is what he does
That sounds like a bad Bulwark not a class issue
All they need to do is add some ways to restore HP to all classes, not just Bulwark and Vanguard. Maybe as prestige perks, alongside new difficulty?
they're adding a prestige rank system next season, so maybe it will include an addition amount of unlockable perks
0:04 i refuse to allow my beloved bulwark to be disrespected like tjat
I think people forget Bulwark isnt a damage dealer, he's the tank/healer his job is to draw aggro, drop a shock field in enemy dense areas, pick up reckless downed allies (assaults'/vanguards who rush in recklessly) with his banner, his job is to keep you alive.
I haven't used the Shock AOE in a long time, I prefer being able to Gunstrike and get armor back, especially against bosses because you can refill all your armor with a gunstrike.
Bulwark is a support class with decent damage, granted I out damage and kill most players I run with.
Just gotta know how-to use em
@@Soul-HunterVIII I just prefer the shock for its utility, Ive gotten good enough to survive without the gun strikes but I do agree its handy in a pinch.
I feel like a lot of players aren’t trying to play that healer role because for starters we have no designated healer class so some players are just playing it for the shield and sword style but also a lot of players run off and make it harder to even heal them
Eh I'm still gonna try to charge headfirst into the horde and start heavy slapping everything up to warrior level enemy's (I'm gonna light attack spam them
His perks really don't cover that job description and I do plenty of damage with the bulwark
People are just mad that bulwark looks the coolest
Honestly i feel like bulwarks powersword just needs more damage cause itll make them better at offensive fighting rather than reviving reckless teamates and getting contested health back because i love bulwark but the powersword feel like beating a tank with a wet spaghetti noodle at times
Actually bulwark is good without healing perks, but not team oriented + Bulwark healing is a must for teamplay, so no it's not useless, it's less "practical". ( you can build him just to do zone dmg, dont forget that stim is for everyone) and I wanted to ad... I m always the last one standing somehow....
and wtf are ppl complaining about how we use our flag, uh ?
do heavy use their shield for team. no
tactic taking out terminus or covering ppl. no
same with snipe.no
vanguard goes brr (they always do their job)
assault is on the same spot as bul so yeah.
the other classcwith team abilities dont even care about you, all they want is their bul dog to heal them.
I got kicked of a game just because I couldn't save a heavy ... ( he run meele -> die-> 4 death btw-> make us loose, did he use his ablity for the team, guess what..... no)
I hate meltagun user (not bc they are bad, bc meltagun do all the work, I can just stand there and look at them taking over the game) or ppl who spam grenades when we are in meele with the ennemy. I could do a whole 1 h montage of ppl shooting me with grenades lol.
contested health regen should just be an innate feature for pve
I do feel like the power sword needs a damage buff
Haven’t even watched this yet. But no. Bulwarks still have massive melee damage capacity with their shock build. And they can res people with banner
@@Phan_the_Mighty True, the banner rez can be insanely helpful!
Bulwark has the lowest melee damage output of every class
@ don’t worry I finished watching! Sounds like people are having bad experiences but I stand by the fact that bulwarks are great. I’ve only done one solo lethal mission and it was with my bulwark. And I was crunching the shock to kill majoris super hard. You can take out a group or majoris easily with a properly timed parry.
@@kalenwilliams5210 well thats just objectively wrong. They have access to the chain sword which is basically the best melee weapon and they can debuff enemies with their shock. So they shred things with melee.
@@Phan_the_Mighty how’s it wrong if every class that also has the chain sword can out put more damage ? Plus even with the power sword which is suppose to be faster and deal more damage performs worse ?
Contested health is the bulwarks only use, so I kinda agree honestly
Not even close, bulwark has 2 of the best melee weapons for horde clear in game and an instantaneous animation cancel on top of two of the best perks with armor reinforcement+intimidating aura completely independent of his contested health regen+delay perks. The only thing bulwark's kit is lacking is ammunition for his secondary which is almost always going to be the Plasma Pistol
Lot of people saying bullwark is tanky… i think its just as tanky as any other class when you got parry down and less tanky than vanguard who can heal 10% off of a majoris.
Holding aggro is also not really a thing. You could just as well take other range classes and shoot a majoris to „take“ aggro.
Without heal, only the longer lasting contested health stands out. Everything else, other classes can do equally good or better.
And so many people saying, i do most melee dmg in my groups: so can for example the tactical if you focus only on melee. But he also has solid range dmg. Which makes me think: what do the shock grenade drop dmg of the bullwark count towards? Melee? Range? 😂
I was told that Bulwark with ANY Class Perks is actually viable so GET GUD!!!!!!..... Sorry guys, we need to stop complaining.
I think the most frustrating experience to see when I play with a random bulwark on lethal is ones that try to take every stim lol. I never take stims as a bulwark and it's insane to me that some of the Randoms I play with will try and grab every one as a bulwark 😂😂😂 we need a community discord!
Bruhhh same. I remember specifically playing with a guy named Shadowthane260. Max bul stole every stim, tried to steal most executes, and never healed. I let him die the whole time sorry. I hate players like that. Stick to solos
I've played with 2 Bulwarks recently that didn't use banner a single time in each of my lethal runs. Really braindamaged behavior.
There’s discord communities out there. If people are interested DM I’ll send the link
If no one else has mortal I usally take 2 stims as bulwork, but basically never use them unless team is dead. I always get gene seed when its found, and am constantly pinging my ability charge to let people know when I have banner. Yet I still always get max level people who dont run 15% ability on exectute for vanguard, or 10% on hs for sniper, who waste stims when I can heal them safely, or will have mortal wounds and waste stims when not close to max hp. Despite me chasing them around the map, pinging banner status trying to give them a safe full heal of constested hp where all they have to do is pop stim. Or a heavy who runs revive perk, who wastes 3 stims when he could've just blown up a barrel next to him and got rezzed to full hp and used 1 stim to take mortal.
I find it less fustrating to see them wasted when I can basically guarantee the win with 2 stims as bulwork even with bad teamates/teamates that don't understand game mechanics.
In lethal I totally agree bc you need to have the team synergy to survive. On other difficulties I don’t mind, just had a lvl 18 bulwark join with no class perk & we did fine in ruthless (I kinda carried)
The shield reflect doesn't hurt teammates anymore. It's main issue is that it give no feedback for what its damaging. I've tested it on the shotgun tyranids and I can kill them with it but again, no visual indicator its doing damage.
I do prioritize myself for heals. Wayyyy too many times people run off, suddenly stop attacking or literally stand there doing nothing and waste their stim after the contested health is all gone.
Our job is to keep the team alive, stay alert and give focus on stick together and help your brother, play as support.
When facing against Terminus boss, do a frontline tanker, engage fight with courage to let other brother to deal damage.
I think the "useless" terminology is just internet talk. If he's not top tier then he's useless, if something's not amazing then it's rubbish / garbage, etc.
Personally I really enjoy making shock areas, paired with 25% more damage to enemies in any shock area, from any attack from any player. And the aoe when parrying adds to the niceness. The flag also has some use, beyond the awesome contested health perk 🙂
Oh, and shield bash can be useful too! I need to use it more...
useless by internet talk actually means 2 things, Either A. It's genuinely useless and needs a change or major buff
Or B. It's so extremely inconsistent that its basically useless, something that only works 10% of the time is not a good thing vs what works 90% of the time.
@@DaemonPrince or something that's worked in many situations, just not the most recent one 😂
@@Oakeybloke Thats basically what I said with B lol
They can handle Terminus threats pretty well.
Theyre clutch with heals for sure, but theyre also great for coralling the hoards and tanking stuff.
I love bulwark but I don't play it in pubs because you definitely are a huge team player with a very specific play style, recently been playing tactical and is the only class ill bring to lethal because I'm honestly too worried about being dead weight with any other class and the team getting mad
Bulwark's damage on parry is actually insane (not AoE shock but the single damage parry), you deal with Majoris about twice as quick as anyone else. Imo that alone brings them to A tier damage wise, then their survivability is so good with Armor on Non-lethal Gun Strike and any version of the flag brings them to S. Health regen perk brings them to S+. But I'll deal with this mis info that bulwark is ba, that just means more bulwark spots for me
Not needed since a good bulwark won't get hit. But he should be the most aggressive player on the team and use his pistol to grab aggro from as many ranged mobs as possible.
He should be the most aggressive player due to
- shield
- block cancel
- attacking encourages attacks, which means more aoe parries
His 1st and 3rd team perk do need a look since theyre overshadowed by his 2nd team perk.
Same for his perk column with healing flag. Its so powerful, it's class defining.
Bulwark is the best class. Doesnt need the banner heal
As a Bulwark main, I agree that it have the lowest damage output but you are not a whimp noodle either. With the shock build I can do 11k damage constantly per lethal game while I usually got 13-16k per game with assault.
Bulwark isn't useless without his banner heal, but it definitely adds an immense amount of usefulness when he has it since it's the most reliable way to get health back. If we get a class like Apothecary, it will be less needed and there should be more build variety
Just got to know how to use the class
For is bulwark is kinda iffy without clear communication it’s really hard to keep everyone’s healths topped out specially if you like those ranges classes sniper, heavy, tactical
I can say from experience you don’t NEED healing perks on bulwark, I know from leveling up bulwark.
I did pretty good most of the time as I’m better with melee than range
The idea of a bully build w/o Invig Icon is an interesting one. Bully is one of the best mob clear classes especially with power sword in power stance, but Invig Icon is such a no-brainer perk. My knee-jerk reaction is to lean on bully's AoE with shock charge and banner damage and go from there. Worth looking into that's for sure. Interesting topic. EDIT (1243): Just finished a private match Decap Ruthless, with Bulwark and yeah it's still a great class... far from pointless as someone above has said.
Final Melee damage: 16462 / Ranged damage: 9342 / Kills: 595 / Incapacitations: 0 / Damage Taken: 953 / Teamates Revived: 0 (I let the bots take care of themselves...I'm selfish like that).
In my estimation Bulwark is strong, a great tank class, with great survivability, BUT a very low Time-to-Kill and this contributes to the class feeling underwhelming for some folks... it's understandable, but not deserving of slander. The Emperor Protects.
I wouldn't say useless, but as a bulwark main, I would personally not use bulwark on lethal, without the contested health banner perk.
My first reaction on that topic "YOUR BRAIN IS USELESS YOU TWAT", Bulwark is not a healer and will never be. If we wanna healer in the party, we must wait until devs release Apothecary to the game.
Bulwark hands down has the best melee weapon in the game in the power sword, and also have the only non-ability based defense gear in the shield.
I play Vanguard mainly, and bulward usually have me beat in melee dmg, that does have a lot to do with me being very reliant on my melta, but even so...
Every class in the game is good in their own right, but what is more crippling, is bad team pairing, and even that can be overcome.
Yep, exactly right brother. Team Synergy will make or break a squad most of the time. That is until you very high competency players aware of the squads imbalances and can adjust their tactics to overcome those deficiencies.
The biggest problem for me is just parrying. Even with fencing wepons it feels impossible to parry anything.
true. Still have no idea wtf wrong with parry on bulwark but it is so much harder compared to other classes
Bulkward Is still good without that perk but its Is so good with It that Is very disapointing to have a friendly bulkward not using it
The problem with melee classes is that melee weapons suck. They're unfun to use and don't even kill trash mobs in 1 swing most of the time. It's fine to kill medium enemies sometimes, but mainly cause of parrying, but for crowd control, I'd rather have any primary gun instead
Honestly, this question is not reasonable. It's kinda saying what if Vanguard without majoris health replenishment or what if Tac without ammo replenishment
Each class has its advantage and unique ability,.. that's why we can enjoy picking different classes in the first place
I never use the Neo Volkite on Bulwark, Plasma Pistol is superior in every way. The damage is better, can stop reinforcement calls, and it's top tier at recovering contested health.
With a Vanguard, a Bulwark can have their banner constantly because of the Vanguard team perk that recovers ability by a % after execution.
If Bulwarks don't have the Perk to heal contested health, then they're just bad.
As a Bulwark there is no point not using Invigorating Icon, it's what keeps the Bulwark alive and a unstoppable force.
I solo Ruthless and Lethal all the time with Bulwark. They definitely have the damage to keep up. The issue is most Bulwarks just use Light Attacks and Power Rakes once in awhile.
Power Stance is where it's at with Bulwark, you hit like a truck, have awesome AOE damage, then you mix in Double Power Rakes and Power Whirls. Players sleep on Power Whirl, it's very powerful.
Let's not forget about Intimidation Aura, constant AOE damage when parrying, you'll kill a swath of Gaunts after a single parry, not just one of them. Defensive Mastery is great as well, you can instant kill a Majoris or Extremis every 2 min, it's especially useful for Extremis on Lethal. Being able to instantly kill one of the Lictors or Ravenours is very helpful. It's even better for Chaos missions, since you aren't parrying often, so when you finally do it usually instantly puts a Rubric, Terminator or Sorcerer into a executable state.
My main is Bulwark and I know it well, my Perks are optimal for all difficulties, whether I'm solo or with other players. I you've ever played with a Bulwark on PS5 named Soul-Hunter, then you've been graced by a true Veteran Astartes. Lol. I always keep my team topped up on HP, mark items and make sure you're not being swarmed and if you are, this Bulwark is rushing into hell to get ya out.
I put me and my friends on level three difficulty I always think I was below level 5 with bulwark . So I didn't even have the skills that y'all were talking about and I did not go down I was the one that stayed up My friends went down multiple times they even told me to grab the relics because I was surviving a lot longer than everybody else. But I think it's also bulwark feels more like a dark souls character you have to dodge you have to pair you have to know when to attack not just run in there like a damn bull in a China shop.
A bulwark who doesn’t heal, run contested health, hogs equipment, and can’t parry nor hold his own is useless. As a bulwark main I’ve helped some who are willing to listen. The other ones who continue being a sandbag get sent back to the battle barge. I’m trying to run Ruthless and Lethal not a daycare.
It depends. I just change my play style depending on the difficulty and the enemy for pve. If you have a healing build you can just run it down mid and have a ton of fun getting swarmed. If not then you have to play more reserved and think. It is very different without regen on g strikes.
yew the answer is yes😊
Bulwark is good without healing. Bulwark is top tier with banner heals.
2:10 I casually duel the hive tyrant with that perk 😂 the hive tyrant is actually my favourite boss now
Any class that have no needed perks, use not most effective weapons, dont play his role in squad is useless. Its that simple.
Some people just need to learn to not get damaged
He's not wrong, the best and most efficient kill team is Tactical, Vanguard, and Heavy
@@spammusubi9004 Honestly I can see that. A lot of damage on that team lol.
Not wrong. This is actually my favorite team with the best overlapping skill set.
Not wrong. This is actually my favorite team with the best overlapping skill set.
What you are highlighting here is the power of Squad Composition. Those same classes all have other comps in which they will ostensibly suffer more though and it's important to mindful of that, so that you can adjust your tactics (playstyle) as needed.
I prefer to go tactical, bulwark, heavy for lethal difficulty, but if bulwark didn't have the contested health banner, I'd go tactical, vanguard, heavy.
If you think that’s true you haven’t seen a god tier bulwark kill half the enemies on the screen with nothing but parries and a fucking sword
Doing lethal using a power fist without upgrade yesterday.. It was tought but I out damaged 2 of my friends in melee category..
Why I used powerfist that wasn't even upgraded?, I accidentally hover on it while I was upgrading my power sword..
When the Apothecary arrives then they will remove the healing banner anyway.
it use to with the heal perk constantly restore contested health throughout the entire duration of the banner, but then they nerfed it to basically full pop contested then drain rapidly.
The flag should have had a taunt
Its arguably the worst class now that the Assault class has been tweaked. The healing abilities and the non finisher gun strike perk are great, but it can't really do much else otherwise.
What changed on assault?
I took a break from the game for a bit. And i come back and now my fucking banner isnt healing the way it should. I'm constantly having connection issues just joining a goddamn lobby. I cant even load up a specific mission that i want to do at all because everytime i do it just disconnects me and forces me to the main menu or offline mode. Getting this skin for the chainsword has been painful. The fuck happened? I was gone for like a month! Not even! And the game is running like shit right now. Sure i've had connection issues but when starting up a lobby? I try to get a lobby started up. Specifically Vox Libertartis, and it doesn't search for any players. it'll state that it is, and then i'll get told it's disconnecting me from the server. It's not my connection cause everything else is working fine, and it literally did that on every single attempt over 2 days. If I cancel the search for players? Disconnected from server. The game feels funny for a second? Disconnected from server. I dont get what the fuck happened? It's not unplayable but with how long load times are it's super fucking annoying. So the error code is erro code 140. Anyone else having this issue?
I tend to play solo because other people play like idiots. Bulwark is the easiest to push.
Bulwark offensively sucks BUT he basically can stand one on one with the hive tyrant and control all agro on the battlefield. Your the worlds biggest distraction and a instant stim with the right banner
no he doesn’t, his parries are like infinite grenades that do area effect damage around him and he gets a perk that allows him to automatically parry kill extremis enemies.
Granted that’s using his defense for offense but the best offense is an indestructible defense.
@@jarlwilliam9932 when I say offense I mean his weapon kit , yes , the shock build is viable even on lethal but that it is very reliant on gun strikes which is my point , you can’t use the power sword as intended to carve into tough enemies, it’s just a parry stick . You get more damage out of two gun strikes and a shock drop every couple minutes than you do dumbing entire combos into majors .
@ it’s not reliant on gun strikes, its reliant on parries, gun strikes help but you don’t need them to do damage.
@ parry reliant , gun strike reliant , regardless my point was that bullwork is the only class where I don’t feel like I get much used out of actually swinging my big lightning sword which you would think would be his main source of damage , not the shock grenade gimmick or the gun strikes , I just want to smack things with my big lighting sword lol
As the guy who often picks up his teammates as thr bulwark....ask them.lol
if i have a bulwark without the healing perk id honestly just take a vanguard with melta or an assault with aoe ground pound instead of the boss killer one it just instantly demoralizes if i pop on lethal and i see a bulwark vacuuming stims while running volkite and no healing banner or above all worse they cant parry to save their own skin and just keep dropping
You described 80% of the bulwarks I see in public operations. They'll literally stand there, facing a single warrior, waiting for a circle attack to parry, fail to parry, go down, and then be on coms like "I was holding aggro guys I cant do everything!!" Meanwhile me n the 3rd guy are fighting a ravener, a zoanthrope, and 12-15 warriors.
@nathancawley8759
I need to see these guys but I'm almost always bulwark. Trust me, if a bulwark knows what they're doing, they don't need help killing anything except maybe zyons. Survival wise, it's only their fault. Unless you're the jerk throwing grenades at our feet.
I think certain players are shit ?
Like I’ve played every class, the games a great and fun game at that, but every class is unique in their own way, putting ‘skill points’ 🤓 aside if your struggling with a class, just move on ? Clearly you can’t play that role the way it’s intended, so stfu, learn how to play that class, or just move on to another ?
dont have take on him, never have touched bullwark nor i ever will , i dont even care if he is in the team or not
Bros bad at bulwark.
Free shocks on parry, 25% damage increase to enemies in shock zones.
Hes a force multiplier for the team.
His only drawback is fighting ranged enemies/zoans/neurothropes.
And when it comes to healing. Timing is key, blowing banners without communication usually ends up with teammates not being nearby, or not filling that contested health.
Well power sword should kill a warrior with way fewer hits its kinda very lame power showd should be stronger then chain sword
Behave bullwark is a unit use volk pistol sinper is comat knife only and charge weapons
pretty much useless