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WHAT KILLED THRASH METAL?
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What killed thrash metal? Some of what I talk about:
* The Big Four: Metallica, Anthrax, Slayer and Anthrax and other thrash bands like Exodus, Testament, Forbidden, and Dark Angel
* Crossover thrash bands like Suicidal Tendencies, DRI, SOD, and Excel
* The German thrash scene: Kreator, Sodom, Destruction and Brazil's version Sepultura
* How Pantera and grunge killed thrash, then Municipal Waste, Havok and Toxic Holocaust brought it back
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0:00 Intro
3:33 When I discovered thrash metal
6:47 The big four: Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer & Anthrax
10:00 The Germans: Sodom, Kreator, Destruction & Sepultura
10:57: Crossover: DRI, SOD, Suicidal Tendencies
13:10 Prog thrash: Forced Entry, Believer, Watchtower
15:31 Did Pantera kill thrash?
18:31 Municipal Waste & the thrash revival
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I love the bands inspired by the Big Four, but I really don't like the Big Four. I can't explain why. Even though my friends loved them and I played in bands where every musician learned to play because of them, I just couldn't get into them. Just not my cup of tea I guess but side from the solos, all their music just inst that interesting
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SLAYER BLOOD LINE AND BORN TO BE WILD!!!!!
that’s the sound of an army of crust punks smashing the unsubscribe button
Yes, we finally agree on a band....Kreator!!!!
When thrash was dying off in the 90s, death metal became the huge deal. Cannibal Corpse, Death, Decide, Obituary, Morbid Angel, Carcass.
Totally: when thrash began it was the heaviest metal you could get but then death metal (and black metal) came along and out-heavied it.
Honestly punk bands were huge on the rise,grunge was in the early 90s,death metal bands were putting out the best albums of there starting career.And yes alternative rock bands like tool,white zombie etc were also killing it on the scene.One of the reasons why the music scene in the 90s was so memorable.
@@superunknown2812 I could agree with that. We all know about the history of grunge and how it made a big impact on a lot people. Not only that, but punk was making a huge comeback! The 80s punk scene was fine. My favorites from the 80s are Descendents, Misfits, Bad Religion (although they figured out their sound and were huge in the 90s) and Social Distortion. I'm going with those basics because they are just that good and important in punk.
Still cant belive Cannibal Corpse got huge, they suck big time.
@@brutallica2944 😂😂😂
Too bad you didn’t like Megadeth… I think Rust in Peace is one of the best thrash albums of all time, a total masterpiece.
Holy wars is one of the best if not the best composed songs in all of thrash metal.
The best album for me
@@adoodonline that song is amazing. The riffs, the lyrics, the changes in tempo and melodies, the overall composition is pure genius craftsmanship and talent. Definitely my favorite song on the album.
@@solearesoul agreed! for me its also the song that made me want to learn guitar!! 🤘
Megadeth is great, but a lot of people don't like the vocals. I say its acquired taste. It's always polarizing when a vocalist does something completely original.
Power Trip would've surely taken the extreme metal throne within the next ten years, still devastated that Riley is gone...
We all are
Lamb Of God too...
I saw them open for LOG and Anthrax, they were f'n amazing live. So sad about Riley
Such a bummer dude…..
I’m lucky I got to see Power Trip when Riley was still alive. As soon as they hit the first note, someone stage dived and kicked me in the back of the head. It made me feel like I was in the 80’s, even though I was born in 1994.
Megadeth was IT for me. I genuinely like Mustane's lyrics. And something about the whole underdog thing w/ Metallica turned me twords them .They also seemed less polished which appealed to me as well. Of course I was in my teens then and moved on since that time but Megadeth always holds a special place for me ....had ALL there "tapes" 🤣
Megadeth > Metallica IMHO
@Jonathan Williams "Hey, we're Megadeth, you're not
@@mike285😂
"punk, hardcore and metal co-exist very peacefully", I really really like that quote. Thank you finn.
then the nu-nation attacked.
@@aneneej nah men, nu metal was just the Ferrari that rushed by
@@SportsMetalBizkit It was Rollin' by.
@@DragonTigerBoss OMG UR A GENIUS XDDD
it's true. and it's so weird. I'm in my late 30s and when I was a kid liking hardcore and punk usually meant you weren't also into metal. the punk kids at my high school were not down with the metal kids and vice versa.
it seems so silly now because like...we clearly all like loud fast heavy music. why the fuck are we all so difficult about which band that's copping Slayer riffs we like more.
Dave Mustane's autobiography was a fantastic read. Showed a lot of the behind the scenes in thrash back in the day.
I liked the book too, especially the part where Dave was still with Metallica
@@christhjian9923 honestly. It seemed like when he wasn't playing music he was on the prowl for cheap drugs and pussy lol classic
@@whotfisjason can you blame him? Lol music, drugs, and pussy are the best things after good food!
@@ext93 Preach my dude!
@@whotfisjason so dave mustaine has a book about getting gash and being in metallica? Thx
The reasons why Metallica got so big without promotion;
1. They did lots of live shows even before their debut came up
2. James Hetfield's vocals were completely a new thing (especially from ride to lightning and on) and were not corny at all.
3. The guys were the first ones to do thrash.
4. They wrote songs that can become rock essentials such as Fade to Black, Welcome to Home and One and put one of each in their early albums.
Right ?? Saying metallica is old school and corny is crazy . Megadeth I understand even tho I love em. But metallica? Come on. Least corny band ever in thrash . I understand the country track or entersandman I guess but they are timeless
1. Metallica wasn’t big until the 90s and they had huge promotion.
2. Metallica wasn’t the first thrash band ever… wtf are you even talking about. Master of puppets and kill ‘em all was really their only truly thrash albums. Ride and ajfa is kinda debatable (I consider Metallica thrash until AJFA)
4. Fade to black isn’t a thrash song. You seem like you have no idea what your talking about
@@badground3534 he said rock essentials where fade to black is and. Did you really say metallica is thrash until ajfa? The most thrashy album they made?
@@nikola5308 I consider Metallica thrash up to AJFA. That is far from their most thrashy album. Kill ‘em all is the most thrash album Metallica has ever done. Most consider kill ‘em all the only true thrash album Metallica has ever done but I disagree with that. After kill em all Metallica wasn’t really true thrash. Exodus, slayer and testament are examples of true thrash
@@nikola5308 Metallicas Thrashiest album was Kill Em All … no debate. Dave Mustaine in my honest opinion popularized thrash in America… but neither Metallica nor Megadeth made Thrash. I forget who started something that could be considered thrash but Metallica with Dave Mustaine made No life till leather and it’s successor was Kill Em All… Ride The Lightning is like Half Thrash and Half hard rock/ heavy metal since I believe at this time, Metallica as a whole was depressed for having their stuff stolen or something along those lines
Master of puppets album is partially thrash but mostly heavy metal: Battery, Leper Messiah, Welcome Home sanitarium and Orion (maybe hard rock for Orion)
And justice for all is either Prog Metal or Heavy Metal… but definitely not thrash metal
People need to understand that Metallica was considered a thrash band by somewhat of a mistake… they’re mostly a heavy metal band …. But the fact also remains that one of their most popular song is Master of Puppets and so everyone just assumes Metallica is primarily a Thrash Band because of that…. Most of their catalog of the 80s can be considered heavy metal after the Kill Em All album 💿… if you want me to name every song then I’ll do it lol
They’re great musicians overall… at least for the 80s and early 90s to me… Death Magnetic and Hardwired where pretty bad overall… they had some good songs but nothing compared to their 80s era …. Now you may say that age has something to do with it but a man called Eminem had 2 incredible comebacks well past his prime of the early 2000s…. 2009/2010 (recovery) & Kamikaze which dropped in 2018 I think
Yes it’s a diff genre but any artist can do it… Metallica in the 2000s just started getting lazier… whereas Eminem apparently started getting crazier because he wanted to prove that no one can rhyme like him lol
Sad to see Overkill was not given a mention, truly underrated. Forced Entry is amazing! Happy to see them get a name drop
When COMA came out...... insane!!!
Years of Decay is the best pure thrash album ever made.
Hell yeah Forced Entry is fuckin way underrated
Thunderhead is my name!!!
@@DavidVega-wi5pr Grew up about 10 miles from where Forced Entry was from so l got to see em a lot , they were truly a brutal live band , watched a lot of people bleed in those pits , never seen em put on a bad show.
According to me, As much as it hurts to say this, The band that made thrash metal most popular was the reason for its death - Metallica. In order to make Metal mainstream, Thrash metal had to be the sacrificial lamb and pave way. They had become millionaires after the Justice tour. The album had peaked on #6 despite being progressive and angriest. Without any support from MTV or any music video way back in 1988 (Damn) . The hype was real for their next album and they only reinforced their popularity by making the songs more straight forward. I believe had they made a thrash album it would have been popular and reached #1 but won't have 1/10th the impact the Black album has. The success they got was MJ/Maddona level and that's what it is.
Great comment.
Very interesting point!
Agreed 100%
Hit the nail right on the head
I read the question of the video and thought: surely it’s the black album? Metallica simply moved on. Not so sure if that was a commercial move; they made 4 albums from the raw almost garage like trashy kill em all, through 2 quite melodic metal albums with symphonic tendencies to the brutal sound of and justice for all. Haven’t read into it, but wanting a different challenge as musicians sounds like a viable motivation for me. They finished the trash game and went to the next.
"The Big Four are still doing great things and good music" Nay. RIP Slayer.
it was actually about fucking time and the other bands should do the same and start record labels or something instead of doing the some old shit at least thats what id do
@@anemaldemomusic8182 FUCKING SLAYER!!!!! But yeah....it's over....smh
Maybe they might make a comeback though but it most likely won't happen. Who knows.
I enjoy skating bowls switch to thrash metal Darkness descends
Did you misspell thrash metal or did you do that intentionally
Municipal Waste, despite being a recent band (by thrash standards), are God Tier. I think the leaning hard into the yelled/screamed vocals more than the 80s bands did really helps them too, because it's how I imagine thrash really should sound.
You're not very familiar with 80's crossover bands, I guess.
They are "meh" tier when you start digging deep.
Nothing original about Municipal Waste - their template is 80s crossover thrash. Agree the vocals are cool - always prefer thrash on the punk / hardcore side. Bands like Overkill, Testament, and Exodus, are just way too metal for my punk inclinations.
I would say the love that early/mid 2000's metalcore and NWOAHM bands were giving their thrash metal heroes really went a long way to reviving its popularity. I was into metal already and a big metallica fan when I was about 15/16 but the thrash influences evident in new bands like Trivium, BFMV, Chimaira and Sylosis as well as Machine Head having their resurgance about that time sent me down the route of discovering Testament, Exodus, Megadeth, Sepultura and mamy others.
I'm old enough to remember when thrash started. My first thrash concert was Megadeth Peace Sells Tour. Heard Metallica in 1984 and the journey began. I remember listening to the Big Four, Testament, Exodus, Death Angel, Dark Angel, Metal Church, Forbidden, Laaz Rocket, Overkill, Sepultura, Suicidal Tendencies, Coroner, Destruction, Kreator, Vio-Lence, Voi Vod...many more that I forgot.
Seasons in the Abyss is indeed a total masterpiece.
Yes.
Absolutely, that’s my favorite slayer album. It’s so different and that’s why I love it.
Divine Intervention is the greatest thrash album ever . Should have been called Reign in the Abyss
@@techdeathhippie6319 Divine Intervention is definitely the most underrated Slayer album. Seasons is still my favorite though.
Tom's vocals on it are lame and lack balls.
I think a great thing about more modern thrash is having genre off-shoots like blackened thrash. Power Trip is also one of my favorite metal bands. Rest in Peace Riley.
Yeah, after the 2000s, it was all about the thrash crossover genres. I feel like I'm the only person who still likes The Haunted who took thrash and mixed it with the guitar sounds of Gothenburg style melodic death metal...I loved that sound in highschool 😂
Totally agree. I hadn't heard Power Trip until I saw them open for Danzig with Venom Inc. They were outstanding, shame about Riley.
Steel Bearing Hand are a great blackened thrash metal band!
Here are some old albums that are a must in my opinion:
Annihilator - Alice In Hell 1989
Artillery - By Inheritance 1989
Cyclone Temple - I Hate Therefore I Am 1991
Dark Angel - Time Does Not Heal 1991
Death Angel - The Ultra-Violence 1987
Defiance - Beyond Recognition 1992
Forbidden - Twisted Into Form 1990
Heathen - Victims of Deception 1991
Morbid Saint - Spectrum of Death 1990
Toxik - Think This 1989
Xetrix - For Whose Advantage 1990
*Xentrix
Atrophy, Sacrifice, Tankard, Cryptic Slaughter etc.
Razor - Violent Restitution
Voivod - Killing Technology
Coroner - Mental Vortex
@@fernandomunoz2737 Sacrifice is underrated AF
Demolition Hammer - Epidemic of Violence
Metallica got so big without any promotion because their riffs are just that good.
The first five albums by Metallica contain many of the greatest pieces of music ever written
*were
@@brandonharris9160 I've always thought it was dumb that people say Metallica sold out and went commercial with the Black Album. It's just as relevant as their first 4 records imo.
First 5? First 6! Load is a masterpiece as far as I'm concerned!
With out promotion? They toured with Ozzy ffs.
They made a video for One.
They released an AC/DC album in 1991 that was all over the radio.
Arise is awesome. Opens with one of the hardest trifectas with Arise, Dead Embryonic Cells, and Desperate Cry. So good.
HELL YEAH I AGREE
Desperate Cry is so satisfying to play on guitar with a loud amp.
Agreed. I'm not an absolute expert on thrash but I'd put it in the top three or four thrash albums of all time alongside Metallica, Slayer and Megadeth depending on which thrash (yes, not including the Black album and Countdown to Extinction) album of theirs one prefers. It also doesn't have any power ballads which makes it heavier than any post Kill-'Em-All Metallica album.
Dead Embryonic Cells has, probably, the best breakdown in the history of breakdowns.
@@majesticpbjcat7707 Majestic AF!
I still remember buying my first Metallica album at Music Plus, Master of Puppets. On cassette in the summer of 1986, after I saved up my allowance and recycling aluminum cans for a couple weeks.
I think the fact that nobody ever mentions overkill is a tragedy. One of the best thrash bands ever.
I just thought this before I found this comment
And they got there name from a Motorhead album and when asked about it they said they never heard of Motorhead motorhead started it.
@@daviddoyle8956 surely they were just being smart assess about not knowing about Motörhead.
I think it's the first time I hear Finn giving credits to something from Europe. We made it boys.
Achievement unlocked 😆
It's the only time when he didn't give us a passive-aggressive spanking.
@@vonbl3 his black metal video is a prime example of him not getting European metal... I love all of Finn's videos though
@@Tmrynr I agree, his black metal video was way too focused on image and marketing when it should have been how the music itself evolved. A less-educated person would leave thinking black metal was just reactionary movement against death metal and that's far too simplistic. If you listen to some of the German thrash bands like Sodom and Kreator, you can really hear what would be the beginning of black metal e.g. 'Burst Command 'til War' by Sodom features on the compilation CD 'Fenriz Presents: The Best of Old School Black Metal.' I used to own that CD and the reasoning Fenriz gives for including it and other songs is really cool to read.
well it's hard not to like german thrash when you're into metal
I loved thrash as a teenager. To this day I have cringe memories of writing the names of my classes (matematyka, historia etc.) using the fonts similar to those of the thrash bands. I even got my totally not-metal friend into Slayer and persuaded my mom when she was baking bread into allowing me to write 'Slayer' in order to make a Slayer bread. Good times.
Great stuff man 🤣
Hahahaha I did the same thing too. Wrote my classes and name in Metallica and slayer fonts. Even names for my hypothetical band lol
I did same thing LOL
the bread thing is so wholesome lol whatta awesome mom
So you appropriated the thrash aesthetic before it was mainstream 😃
I’m 25 and I love thrash. Wish I lived in the popular thrash metal era.
Hi Finn. This thrash episode is my first time experiencing your channel.
Had to watch because I was a part of the scene. I began playing guitar in 1982, so I witnessed the birth of thrash. I would play to Slayer, Metallica, Anthrax, S.O.D. albums front to back. 1986, my graduation year, I and my brother in metal started the band MANIACAL GENOCIDE. We released 3 demos from 1988 to 1990, got endorsed by VANS shoes and B. C. RICH guitars. Sadly, we never got the opportunity to sign with a label and we disbanded in 1992. For me, thrash never died. I love that it has seen a resurgence. I agree with you on Municipal Waste. Gama Bomb is also a great thrash band.
I still play guitar and drums, still in touch with the guys from the band.
I am also now, a subscriber of your channel. My name is Scott Jenkins, I live in Central Point, Oregon and I am 53 years old. Metallica made 4 fantastic albums, that's it. I am sure they are now, sucking dick and getting ass-raped by the satanic elites that oversee all industries. You do not get to their status, without paying a price. You do not become supremely wealthy, without paying a price. From Hollywood to sports to modeling to music. You want fame and fortune, you must take part in the rituals. No exceptions. I am glad, the opportunity I sought, never arrived.
Later.
Metal just got heavier and more technical and has continued to. We saw a lot of Metallica inspired bands like BFMV in the early 2000s, and you're right that The Black Album continues to top iTunes charts, despite the album itself being more commercial (but a phenomenal record).
I wish more metal bands would focus on writing songs and not so much try to out-thrash or out-br00tal everyone else. metallica may be sellouts but you can't deny in the 80s their compositions had enough of a 'song' feel to make it musically amazing even if none of them were the best or fastest at their instruments
The black album blows, dude. Come on.
@@OaksArmorial it has fantastic production, guitar tone and songwriting. What point are you trying to make? If the album “blows” why is it STILL on the charts 30 years later? 😉
As if the charts are in any way an indication of quality.
@@OaksArmorial In this case it’s longevity. Crappy records don’t continuously sell decade after decade. It’s influence. Most bands don’t continue to inspire and influence decade after decade.
DRI will always be a fave for me. I got to fill in on drums for them for a few songs in seattle several years ago. Life changing moment for me when spike said he was relieved that I could play the songs, and he didn't have to give me cues and he could just get into it and not worry(opener's drummer tried to fill in and knew none of the songs and was not good). One of the best days of my life, they even signed my shirt after the show. I played acid rain and beneath the wheel with them. Still got my copy of acid rain on cassette.
I still can’t get over Riley’s death. I was at the last Power Trip show in LA just before the lock down. It was my first PT show, I remember leaving and thinking “I can’t WAIT to see them again! That was incredible!” Few months later, I heard the news of his death…
The fentanyl
The first albums by Sepultura and Kreator (Morbid Visions, and Endless Pain) sounded more like death / black metal, and later their albums were more thrash it's interesting. Kreator and Sepultura first albums actually influenced death metal a lot, even though the first death metal album, most would say was ''Seven Churches'' by Possessed.
I’ve always felt like Kreator and Sodom were one of the primary influences for death metal, especially on albums like Persecution Mania and Pleasure to Kill, you can’t listen to The Pestilence and tell me that’s not early death metal
@@LuisCastillo-rt5nk
Sodom is more similar to black metal
@@marioalexanderski9598 yeah, you’re actually right, i’d say their first albums were a heavy influence on black more than death
Arise and chaos AD from Sepultura are absolute classics!🤘 also I call it the big 5 adding testament
I just think the real big 4 includes testament and excludes Anthrax. So much better
@@ChainsawChristmasThe Big 4 was not "The 4 best Thrash bands", it was "The 4 best-selling and popular Thrash bands". Everybody seems to forget that.
Everyone can have their favorites, but the Big 4 are tue Big 4 for factual reasons. If Testament was to be in there, they'd have needed to sell more than at least Anthrax.
Thrash is still massively important for me as a guy in his mid 30s, even though I grew up with Nu Metal, but over the years it kinda became my favorite Metal genre, or at least pretty equal with Nu Metal. There is simply much more quality in it than in most other Metal genres
You and I both. Love them both equally
Thrash Metal 4 LIFE!
Totally agree here. I'm roughly the same age. Grew up in middle school and into high-school on Korn and Deftones. Metallica as well, and eventually went deeper into it all. Thrash is probably my favorite style overall and has been for a long time.
I grew up with thrash and will always love it. But to say it has so much more to offer tells me that you don't listen to anything else, or don't play any instruments. There's so much wild shit happening in modern metal.
@@masonlitowsky I agree here too haha. Metal is so expansive anymore and it's just going to get crazier. About the only styles I don't care for too much are power metal and black metal. I've been really into a lot of the newer death metal scene lately. Thrash just holds a special place in my heart, so to speak, haha
One of my favorite videos by you, really well done!
I'd add that the old bands were responsible for revival also. Kreator, Slayer and Testament among many others returned to their thrash roots in the 21st century.
I’m 40 years old now and I guess one reason why I never thought about thrash metal dying was because really back in the early and mid-90s we didn’t try to put so many different sub genres into Metal. For example when Pantera came out myself and no other metal fans that I knew went out of our way to call Pantera groove metal. To us Pantera was just a newer form of thrash metal that was more street influenced in a little more hard-core. I mean back then The only real sub genres of metal were like the classic metal bands like Black Sabbath, Motörhead, AC/DC, Judas Priest, and Iron maiden. Then you had death metal which was your cannibal corpse, Morbid Angel, obituary, etc. and then I guess Goth metal was just kind of peeking its head with Type O Negative, of course there was the glam/hair metal, And everything else like Pantera, slayer Metallica, Megadeth, Sepultura , overkill etc. I guess would be the bands we considered thrash. Hell it wasn’t until sometime in the 2000s that I heard somebody call Pantera groove metal. And in the south where I spent most of my life where I was raised Marilyn Manson really wasn’t that popular with southern metalheads. The only ones that really listen to him in the metal crowd were girls and even if guys did they were too scared to really admit to anyone that they were a fan of the guy that got up on stage in women’s underwear. And I’m not saying that’s right or wrong I’m just saying that’s how it was back in the 90s. But honestly most people back then before the days of Nu Metal just called metal “metal” . We really weren’t going to divide ourselves up into little groups on who like death metal and who like thrash metal because as long as it was metal we all pretty much loved it.
As far as trash dying in 1992 I would probably have to disagree. Now were there new thrash bands coming out after 1992? No not really but I think a shit load of people got into thrash around that time. I’m not saying Metallica’s black album is the best thrash album ever, I mean I like it but it didn’t sound as 80s like other thrash metal bands were doing. And the more important thing that Metallica black album did in the early 90s was it got a shit load of people to get into thrash metal. Metallica’s black album got so many people into older Metallica and then they started picking up other albums by other thrash bands. I mean around 1992 is about the time Megadeth had their best selling album of all times. Countdown to extinction went double platinum around that time. So it’s not like metal fans were throwing away their CDs and saying that it’s over and we’re just going to listen to death metal and Pantera and rage against the machine from here on out. No we kept listening and loving to thrash like we still do today but you embrace the new genres of metal as they come out as well.
In the end I don’t think it matters what anyone’s opinion of thrash is but I think we can all agree that besides classic metal, the bands that started it all, thrash is without a doubt the most influential genre of metal. Death, Nu, Groove and alternative metal old were heavily influenced more by thrash than any other type of music.
Sepultura is my favorite when it comes to groove and thrash. Hell, even Bestial Devastation almost sounds like some proto black metal album. Beneath The Remains and Arise are my favorite thrash albums.
Same
Try chimaira and devildriver
Sarcofago, the mist and psychic possessor are good as well..and korzus...all from brazil too
I loved how they walked the line between death and thrash.
IMO, Sepultura was doing death-thrash along with that proto black metal (german) thrash bands were creating.
Possessed still are the first death metal band/the first to record an album of the style, but Sepultura also debuted in 1985.
Sepultura ARISE is my favorite metal album of any genre.
The whole album rips faces off. Great production as always from Scott Burns.
Fukn aye
Finn. Thanks for covering this one. I was hoping you would.
I love your What killed series. What is refreshing is that you actually try to steelman genres that don't appeal to you but with that give give criticism of said genre or style that is more than just "Her her it's fill of shit amirite" but also giving it in a humourous way that isn't portrayed as condescending.
Keep up the good work man!
The rise of Death Metal was the downfall of Thrash, especially considering the former is an evolution of the latter. I love Thrash though, it got me into metal and I would love a resurgence of it
I had just said that too! Death metal was huge in the 90s! Cannibal Corpse, Deicide, Obituary, Suffocation, Carcass, Bolt Thrower, Death and Opeth! Lots of great metal for the 90s, although I do personally prefer the 80s.
Yo, the 2010s was a huge resurgence of thrash.
Late 2000s and Early 2010s had a ton of Thrash Revival. Warbringer, Gama Bomb, Evile, Municipal Wate, Toxic Holocaust, Lazarus A.D. and many more.
@@CDCrest I don’t feel like it really did justice to it though, yeah there was some awesome bands like Havok but a lot of them felt like a parody of the genre to me
Yeah, hearing master of puppets and Reign in blood in 87, changed my life 100% for the better. Got into huge variety, and extreme / fusion stuff but still love the 80s thrash stuff I grew up with musically.
So basically, the scene got oversaturated with tons of new Thrash bands, Vulgar Display was the reality check, then new genres started popping up (Alternative Metal, Death Metal) and Grunge put the tombstone to it. Cool! Great video man!
yup, basically
Yeah basically lol
Same old shit, different day you can summarize every genre's inevitable "death" with that statement.
I love Vulgar Display, but I love (Cowboys from hell, Far Beyond Driven, and the great southern trendkill) all more than Vulgar Display.
Very cool to hear you reference Forced Entry. I thought I was the only person who rembered them and still listened occasionally.
Thrash!! Grew up in Seattle, Forced Entry was the best! As well as the Accused, Coven, and Sanctuary.
Gotta mention Overkill, a top 10 for sure.
Genres like Punk, Thrash, Nu, etc. will never die as long as electric guitar and distortions are made
Hit the nail on the head my friend. Speaking as a guitarist of 40 years now, the very fact of the genre of rock and metal and every single fucking off-shoot being attributable to one sound, that which is the distorted guitar, never gets mentioned or at the very least never given the spotlight and focus it deserves. Distorted guitar is THE defining sound. Period. End of discussion. Anyone seeking to argue that , is either utterly ignorant, or completely fucking stupid. Another thing I am endlessly tired of and cynical about, is the fucking dumb ass labels that have to be given to anything, or anyone that is talented and skilled enough to produce something "fresh" sounding. Pantera is the prime example. They were just simply fucking good at what they did. They did not require a new definition, new genre, new label slapped on them to make their music real or relevant. They produced great fucking metal. Nothing more has to be said. All you have to do is listen and the music speaks for itself. Groove metal is a meaningless fucking term invented by weak- minded individuals talking out of their ass. Like Pantera was the first metal band to groove?
Are you fucking kidding me? You can go all the way back to IRON BUTTERFLY, BLUE CHEER and the godfathers of metal BLACK SABBATH and experience groove. Categories are defined by people that don't play an instrument and do not know what the fuck they are talking about. Cheers brother.
Nu metal should definetely die
“On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.” - Unnamed Narrator
we dont talk about that... :)
Megadeth is amazing. Good bands evolve and that’s what happened to them. Their later albums in the 90’s got a lot of flak and caused Dave to fire Marty Friedman, but I love those albums. Train of Consequences is a killer song.
Marty Friedman wasn't fired. He quit.
@@robertherrick6703 whaaaaaa
@@frankmorris6765 Shooorrrrrp!
Looking back, the thrash revival is sorta the heavy counterpart to the strokes/white stripes wave, where rock started running out of creative juice and bands started more explicitly dealing in familiarity rather than novelty
Looking forward to watching this. Nevermind and the Black Album were both release in 1991. Yet, radio stations quickly changed to the grunge alternative format because of the popularity of Nirvanna. However, Metallica outsold them almost 2 to 1, so what gives? Shouldn't the Black Album have lead to a metal peak in the 90s, where instead it went underground.
The black album got plenty of radio play, that was their mainstream break away from thrash, when I was younger (like 7 years ago lol) I remember my 13 year old self was calling radio stations just begging them to play something off MoP, but it was always sad but true or enter sandman that would come on, it was more radio friendly and that’s what they were trying to go for
i like your analysis. What i see is that Nirvana was pop, Metallica, tho popular, were not pop
@@patrickreichert1442 I would say they were both pop and that is OK. And in this day and age they are even more pop. Just look at who is wearing their t shirts right now.
@@pissingspeedrun Nirvanna and Metallica both got tons of radio play and MTV. The question is, why didn't those same stations play the copycat Metallica bands when they all played the Nirvanna clones?
@@adammorris1943 that is a great point, they were still huge at the time but thrash had completely lost its roots at that time and it’s hardcore fan base from what I’ve heard was kinda disappointed in what was coming out. I could literally go on about this for hours lol. It seemed like a weird time for rock and metal in general. I think grunge was just more friendly to play on the radio because nu metal was on the rise too, it was absolutely exploding in the late 90s but was insanely aggressive and different for its time. Radio stations are making their money off playing music for the companies paying them to advertise on their station. Grunge still sees huge play on radio stations and I think it just had that mass appeal that was perfect for them. Even Metallica dove into a grungy kind of sound and even experimented with nu metal sounds in st anger, they dove into trying to fit in with what was exploding around them
It was Nightmare Logic that convinced me I was wrong about the new wave of Thrash that it wasn’t just an ironic hipster joke at the genre’s expense and I had a lot of catching up to do.
Rest In Peace Riley. 🤘🏻
Wonderful video Finn.
My top 3 favorite albums of the genre: Seasons in the Abyss, ...and Justice for All (not the biggest Metallica fan neither, but much respect to this solid album), and Act-III (Death Angel
Sound of white noise is actually my fav Anthrax album, lol. Love the J.Bush era. Revisiting these older videos, great content as always.
I wouldn't exactly call Thrash Metal one of my favorite genres, as I can get burned out on it pretty easily, but I definitely view it as one of the most important if not the most important genre of metal. I feel a lot of the tropes we view as normal today are thanks to Thrash Metal. And along with that, it was able to create a rift in the 80's metal scene that I see as responsible for helping metal to evolve as opposed to sounding like Judas Priest or Quiet Riot all the time.
Then again, Judas Priest most definitely influenced thrash. Dissident Aggressor is almost a proto-thrash song. I think one of thrash's most important characteristics was blending punk and hardcore with metal.
Thrash was really the first "extreme" metal
You should listen to Quiet Riot’s first 2 albums. They had a completely different (and in my opinion) better sound before they went mainstream and lost Randy Rhoades. It’s much more loose and dynamic compared to their newer more raw sound that was developed in their later albums.
Really, the only thrash band that always stuck with me, is Evile. Especially their album Five Serpent's Teeth. I'm not a thrash fan at all, but that album is a masterpiece. Sad their singer got replaced. His voice was far more melodic than that of most thrash vocalists. Really brought a unique element to their music.
Oh yeah and Testament is pretty dope too. Mainly Dark Roots of Earth.
Yes sir! Five Serpant’s Teeth is amazing! They just released a new album not too long ago. Haven’t really listened to it enough to form an opinion though.
Definitely, I honestly thought the "this band brought the revival" was going to be Evile tbh
@@Nope-sq6dv Hell unleashed good song, rest of album is meh.
Ah yes the band that is a victim of a fake Metallica song. I think the Evile song that was labeled as Metallica is Underworld, which actually got more views on youtube than the actual Evile music video
ST was the biggest for me. They kept me alive (for real) during the late 80’s. Mike is a very special writer and person.
Hey just wanted to stop and say I love your content. As an old rocker from my middle school days, who has listened to many many bands over the years, I love learning about anything and everything rock and metal. Been watching/listening to your vids while I work and enjoy your take on things, sir!
Thrash was my first obsession. My brother's cassettes were never safe. I broke his door lock so i could sneak into his room when he was at work and listen. Still have a couple of them in a box....maybe I should return those....
11:31 surprises me to this day; I always saw metal and punk as complimentary genres.
They have a lot of musical overlap which is brilliantly demonstrated by hardcore and crossover bands, they can both make dark, heavy, aggressive music and poppier, more melodic and mass appealing music demonstrated by the likes of pop punk and hair metal.
As Finn says, it's obvious now. It just amazes me that there was actually a time when people couldn't see it!
I mean, the anarcho-punks understood, but Finn fears their power and body odour.
@@ConvincingPeople lmfaoooo this is amazing
Agree. I was blown away when I learned there used to be set tripping
Music generally was much more tribal....It's no big deal now for rappers to work with people from the electro scene, but back then these genres did not mix either. also you could tell from somebody's clothes what they were into, which is much less true today.
@@croulantroulant3082 it was still the days of tribalism when I was growing up; but all the punks and the metalheads were in the same heavy rock tribe. There were factions like skater punks and black-metal goths but so many people had a foot in multiple factions (myself included) that it was all one loosely affiliated heavy rock tribe.
We were united against common enemies such as chavs/townies and miserable old busy-bodies.
Great video man, I think you really did this justice and found a way to share a unique perspective on a subject that has been discussed to death. I think you nailed the legacy of thrash also - it was also my gateway into metal and deepened my appreciation and exploration of punk and hardcore. I'll never forget the first time I heard "Whiplash" by Metallica and freaking out becuase I've never heard anything that blended hardcore punk and metal before. Love your channel - keep up the awesome work!
For Whose Advantage by Xentrix is one of the greatest thrash hidden gems I’ve ever heard.
Wow, I got into a LOT of these bands when I was in high school (I’m 30). Managed to convince my German teacher to play a live album/DVD from Kreator when they played a show in East Berlin in 1990 for extra credit.
Fantastic overview, Finn!
Thrash defined my life in high school in the early 2000’s I loved Dark Angel, Sodom, Exodus. Tbh i think being so into thrash was my reaction to the fact that emo was so big in my era.
cool
Lol that was me in mid to late 2000's
BRILLIANT VIDEO!
I grew up during the inception and rise of Thrash Metal. I was in High School when Seasons In The Abyss, Extreme Agression, Beneath The Remains, And Justice For All, Rust In Peace....etc.......that time was a phenomenal time for Metal. And......the first era of Death Metal, Swedish Death Metal....etc.
Happened right after that crazy Thrash peak!!!!!! Which was equally as awesome!!!!!
Freeakin Love that you mention the Accused and Excel! two highly underrated bands from that era! Love watching this videos man Keep up the great work.!!!!!!
I absolutely LOVE the clip of the girl talking about Metallica's font. Entirely speaking of it from a brand context due to literally not knowing about the band.
I agree, that was hilarious 🤣.
Not only is it hilarious, but her genuine love for the "Metallic Brand" is a genuinly powerful statement on the invaluability of a marketable logo.
She loves them *as a brand*, without hearing a single song; thats godteir marketing.
It is laughable, but if it points her in the direction of actually listening to and enjoying Metallica, no harm done.
To be honest I think that video is staged. Just seems too phony.
Thrash is a huge part of the core of metal so it wont ever truly die. Perfect example Alien Weaponry 🤘
Thrash gave birth to Death Metal, Black Metal and Metalcore, three genres that are still going strong even to this day, especially the third one. You can totally hear the Thrash in all of the above.
Just about any metal genre outside of power metal and prog has thrash influence.
Ide say so, even trivium started out as a metallica tribute act and their early sound was very thrash
Alien weaponry play thrash metal with groove very Sepultura sounding love them they have huge potential
@@finewine256xx idk about that they sound nothing like thrash
So happy to see Believer mentioned, i've never meet anyone who knows them, their album Extraction From Mortality is an absolute masterpiece, and one of the best metal albums ever made IMO.
Their 3rd album Dimensions is fantastic as well
I need to go back and listen to that again. Thank you for reminding me lol.
Do you think is possible Thrash metal can have a revival? Or it's basically over?
If you can get I’ve the vocals, I really feel like Xentrix was the best thrash band and “For Whose Advantage?” was the best thrash album ever. Excellent songwriters, excellent musicians, heavy riffs.
from UK, UK had some good thrash bands Onslaught, Acid Reign, Slammer.
Hell yeah that's a great album!
DRI was such an important band in my elementary school days. I was introduced to them by my older cousin and and his friends where we would ride bikes. I can still remember the horror on my teacher’s face when on my day to bring music to school I brought Dealing With It to play.
My personal favorite thrash albums for the 80’s
Exodus- bonded by blood
Metallica- MOP/ And Justice for all…
Megadeth- rust in peace
Slayer- South of Heaven
Seasons in the Abyss is a good choice from the Big 4. Honestly, it is hard to pick between Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets, Reign in Blood, Seasons in the Abyss, Rust in Peace, or Among the Living.
I always thought anthrax were probably the most thrash out the big 4, they had just the right mix of hard-core and metal on among the living
Let's not forget: Tony of Municipal Waste also started the crossover band Iron Reagan.
I went to a show that Iron Reagan opened for and after they played I saw Tony at the upstairs bar having a drink with a nice looking lady. It made me laugh because they were the only other people at the upstairs bar and not downstairs watching the show (there was also a bar down there). He was trying to get it in that night 😂
Wow, great an informative video. I can't believe that I have just came across you channel which has nothing but great in-depth information in the world of rock music. I am not going to be that guy who plugs a band name to get followers, but I would like to know your thoughts on the possibly of there being a space for a new upcoming young thrash band. My brother is the drummer in an up-and-coming band here in Orlando. They have had two separate videos viewed by both Glenn Fricker and the guys from the Space Zebra Show on Twitch and both had nothing but positive things to say about their music and their style being thrash metal. Is this a genre you think a new upcoming band can have success in at this current time?
Love all the times you mention forced entry. Most underrated band ever IMO.
Its so hard to put Primus in anywhere. They're at the tri-point of funk metal, alt metal and carnival music.
There's something totally deranged about it as well. My Name is Mud makes me actually feel like I'm listening to music for murderers.
Not saying that's a negative because it's an absolute positive on why I like it. It's really really weird.
Les Claypool also said when he auditioned for Metallica, he didn't even liked Thrash, pretty funny. Primus has a total unique sound, I mean I can't even find a band that even tries to make the same sound like they do.
I think of 'em more as a progressive alt rock band than a metal band
Pork Soda is a great album, my favourite of theirs. It still sounds just as awesome today.
There are also more unique bands like System of a Down where you can't really call them by am existing genre. All of you referred them as Nu Metal and I never see them as Nu Metal to be honest. I think they are Primus' levels of weirdness.
Metallica came from Thrash Metal to Mainstream Heavy Metal. A7X came from Metalcore to also Mainstream Heavy Metal... . I need a new Mainstream Heavy Metal these days.
Exciter and their first two albums "Heavy Metal Maniac" and "Violence and Force" are two of my favorite thrash albums of all time.
Great video. At some point, it would cool to do a deep dive into all the punk and metal cross-pollinations in the early '80s. I remember "thrash" being used the same as "hardcore" in the '80s, *maybe* with a connotation of faster hardcore bands, which is where the term "thrash metal" came from.
I think death metal in the US fizzled out around the same time that thrash metal did, because of a billion clone bands, heavy music going elsewhere in the mainstream, etc.
We already had a lot of newer thrash metal bands in the late '90s in Europe...including American ones that few people in the US cared about at the time.
Ron Jarzombeck is my favorite musician. So glad to hear you share the appreciation for him!
The only time I ever had to walk away from a show for being too crazy was Municipal Waste back in 2013. They played a small stage venue with a little balcony about 15 feet up. People were jumping off the balcony into the pit and climbing the rafters. What a first time to see them live
Oh for sure. I remember back in 2010 or 2011 seeing Municipal Waste in a very small bar venue that was upstairs from a main stage. It was MAYHEM. Exactly what I was hoping for, however, it was one of the first times I actually had to avoid being close to the stage for fear of being knocked the fuck out or crippled by dudes jumping off the balcony and amp cabinet stacks. It was such a small venue but the crowd diving/surfing was insane. They were spraying beer and whipping the crowd into a frenzy. I would've preferred that energy at a bigger venue. With such a small floor space, it got legitimately out of hand and I'm not one to back down from that kind of stuff.
That was Ruthie's Inn every night!
This video is amazing. Incredibly informative and insightful especially since I’m relatively new to the genre.
As someone who got into metal in my teens around 2010, I remember the trash wave was exciting, the big 4 back going on tour, felt like the interest in Thrash was very much alive. I still love thrash, top 3 metal subgenre for me. Bands like Vektor and Havok give me hope for the future but it's true that it has gotten stale. Fun to see experimental bands give their crack at it like King Gizzard and the Lizzard Wizzard.
I remember back in the late 80's it was considered "selling out" to produce a thrash metal video. Metallica claimed then they would never sell out make a video, till One was made. It was controversy at the time.
money talks.
They sold out on lightning when they included a ballad!
@@redearthpaul178 is it possible that a band just grows and explore without being a sell out? I would hate for a band to make the same album 5 times in a row. I doubt Metallica would ever sell out considering their attitude, they did what they wanted to do every Album, no one else's choice.
@@phoenix21studios chill your boots, I'm only joking.
@@redearthpaul178 XD
yooo finn. I wished you would do spotify playlist about these bands
As for the resurgence of heavy metal, you might remember Deceased and their 1997 album Fearless Undead Machines. I remember when it came out it was the first new thrash I'd heard in years. They called themselves death metal, perhaps only because they were lyrically about death, but everyone knew it was thrash. It's a concept album based on the Living Dead movies. Check out Graphic Repulsion and also the title track.
Finn, I wanna thank you for all this great content. It's not only great but you're opening my eyes to more music than just what I'm familiar with. Thank you so much.
The one really cool thing is we've been in the middle of a pretty long thrash revival. We've had a bunch of newer bands (Revocation walking that line between thrash and tech death, Iron Reagan/Municipal Waste and Power Trip bringing back crossover thrash, The Haunted doing their thing since forever now, Toxic Holocaust, Evile, Send More Paramedics, Havok, etc.), as well as big returns from older bands (Slayer, Exodus, Death Angel, Machine Head...prior to ruining it with whatever the fuck that last album was, Testament, Anthrax, Kreator, Overkill, Exumer, Megadeth-if a bit spotty/controversial. Even Metallica has released a pretty solid thrash-groove album with Death Magnetic, and Hardwired features the two hardest and fastest songs they've recorded since Dyer's Eve and Damage INC!)
I'm glad Machine Head put out that album. It caused Phil Demmel to quit and reform Vio-Lence and Dave McClain to quit and rejoin Sacred Reich. Vio-Lence and Sacred Reich are FAR superior bands to Machine Head imo.
@@SuperStrik9 I'd say they're much more consistent bands, but Machine Head's highs (Burn My Eyes, Through the Ashes of Empires, The Blackening, and Unto the Locust. Bloodstones and Diamonds isn't bad either, but it's a weird album with all the symphonic touches and shit. As you can tell, I like Machine Head best when they just play it straight, thrashy, and heavy as fuck) are pretty spectacular. It depends mostly on if you prefer bands that consistently pump out 6/10-8/10 albums every time they put out an album, or a band that has 4 9/10 or 10/10 albums, a 6.5/10, and a bunch of 4/10s. I think most of us would rather have the consistency, but for some people they might want the occasional bit of brilliance even if it means dealing with a bunch of crap
@@princealigorna7468 To each their own. I'm not really a Machine Head fan. I like Burn My Eyes and that's about it. I'm a big fan of both Vio-Lence and Sacred Reich.
@@SuperStrik9 Children Of Bodom Hatebreeder Brought Back The Spirit Of Thrash
Cryptic slaughter deserves a bigger shout imo due to the extremely heavy simple mix on the PUNK side of crossover. Absolutely classic.
Lowlife....absolute classic track off 'Convicted'
@@migsterman67 Lowlife, Sudden Death and State Control are my favorites
cryptic slaughter and septic death are 2 of my favs
My favorite album of the big 4 is easily rust in peace. It's been said to death but it's just easily the best thrash album of all time. Even with how much I like slayer just, nothing else is close.
Overkill also definitely deserves a mention. They arguably are doing their best music ever, still, all these decades later.
I love all the band suggestions I pick up in your videos like this about a genre that I love. Keep up the awesome work!
It's not dead,alive and well,and I play and listen everyday I'm 43.
I got into this stuff pretty much the same way as you at about the same time: Suicidal tendencies and Dayglo Abortions (another great cross-over band and Canada's answer to the 2 Live Crew obscenity trial). I have trouble listening to a lot of Suicidal these days but go listen to Dayglo's Here Today album again. 33 years later and still a fun listen.
Dude Lazarus AD was my absolute favorite of the revival scene, the pure American metal bands like shadows fall and lamb of god brought elements of thrash back as well
Great video and mentions.Watchtower, Dark Angel, lazy Rockit and Excel.I would add Voivod, Laaz Rockitt, Goatwhore, Blood Incantation, Wrathchild America.
One of my favorite thrash bands is a modern band called Vektor. Their last album, Terminal Redux, is probably my favorite metal album of all time. They're very prog too. Definitely top tier stuff. They broke up in 2016 and then reformed last year. Released a couple of singles since reforming that are pretty different than their previous stuff, but their albums are definitely incredible thrash work.
Singer/guitar player David DiSanto physically and sexually assaulted his wife multiple times. Fuck that guy.
@@paintitmatt yeah, he's one of those cases where you either separate the art from the artist or miss out on some of the best music of this century
I first found thrash on WJCU John Carroll University radio. A show called "Lights Out." Right about the time Star Trek: Next Generation came out. Was quite eye opening. Thanks for the memories.
I'll never understand why people care so much about genre labels. I turned 16 in 1990 when I heard Dead Skin Mask on the radio and I started exploring extremer music with the help of my peers and magazines. What was called Thrash or Death metal didn't interest me in the slightest, I loved it all. Seasons in the Abyss, Justice for all and Rust in Peace were equally great as Spiritual Healing, Altars of Madness and Cause of Death.
I about died when you showed Sean Killian from Vio-Lence talking about being a brain surgeon but smoked too much pot. Cannot think of what that video series is right now but I have it on VHS still. Used to go see Vio-Lence in the Bay Area back in the day at the Omni or The Stone.
Sepultura are more known for their Groove Metal then their early Thrash Metal
Forbidden - Twisted Into Form is a thrash album everyone should own.
Definitely!
Definitely bro!
Twisted Into Form and Forbidden Evil both awesome albums. 🤘🏻
For me this album was the 'bookend' of the thrash era, the last Great thrash album. Death metal began taking over afterwards.
@@Thoughtcrimes8158 Some of the best thrash happened at the genre's general end. It's sad, but also awesome.
I just saw Megadeth live in Boston on 9/13. Dave just turned 60 and they were awesome. Played a ton of the classic tunes.
Kreator, Exodus, and Destruction's most recent albums are awesome in your face thrash! Exodus has a new album coming out 11/19 and the tunes they've released so far are good.
Long live Thrash Metal!
Damn- Finn always hits it outta the park. Dark Angel! Yes!!!
Can’t believe you mentioned Excel too! Damn been decades since I heard them!
Dark Angel Darkness Descends is awesome! Four of the seven tunes are on all of my media to this day! Leave Scars has some good tunes too!