Simply amazing. I grew up in a bland city in California, known for it's state-of-the-art sewage plant; being ethnic and a outside thinker, the Fall became my soundtrack. Thank you Mark E. Smith.
He says in Renegade that The Fall had an especially big Latinx following in San Francisco. Such an incredible band. We'll never see M.E.S's like again, that's for sure. I briefly spoke to him once during the later years (2012) and he was very nice, thanked him for the music, said "you and the band just keep getting better and better and keep putting out absolutely belting records, thanks so much, Mark!" He said: "Thanks very much cocker, that's really nice to 'ear". He looked like he was in a hurry to the bar so I didn't want to push it any more...plus they were great that night, it was in London and they did two nights, my Sis lives there so I decided whilst my ears were still ringing waiting on the last train that I was going to see the next gig! And do you know what?--I DID!
@@questionitall3053 Have you seen the "It's Not Medication, It's Perspiration" doco on here that was filmed from 2004-2013? It has the most banging version of "I Am Damo Suzuki", and this is with the Eleni, Ben, Spencer Birtwhistle and Jim Watts version of the band. Or the "Traitors, Liars, C**ts" band as they came to be known, lol! Except from Eleni, of course...Great stuff. EDIT: It's actually called "It's Not Repetition, It's Discipline", sorry! If you like the early-to-mid-2000's line up it's particularly gratifying. That version of "Damo Suzuki", though, damn
I grew up in the next town on from Prestwich , but my Dad’s from there. It’s been a bit run down, like the rest of this part of England since the 70’s . Coming from the provincial city of Manchester and being working class. Makes you feel a little bit of an outsider. I’m guessing this has something to do with people who grew up in your situation relating to Manchester music. It’s cool how are two countries have a mutual respect for each other’s music and culture.
I spent many mediocre nights in Vegas in my early 20s listening to the Fall. Just sitting in an apartment on a weekend night totally wired with nothing better to do.
His comment on morrisey is worth this docs weight in gold,,perfick! I hung in the same pubs, drank with his band mates in prestwich, red lion, church etc, saw him from afar, close but never met…didn’t even know him, what a missed chance,still kick me-self for not saying hello an takin me chance…am told we would have defo got along, see ya mark, cheers for the endless fun xox
Living in Los Angeles for almost 40 years I've been blessed to see The Fall more times than any other live band. They comprise the most volume of my music library. Why? Don't know. Don't care. Just is.
Lmao, they take up the bulk of my collection too, but I'm the type of nutter who wants every pressing of every LP...finally scored the white with black splatter edition of Fall Heads Roll! That is the Holy Grail of my collection! So I have both the Narnack pressings, thinking about getting the UK pressing, but it's all on one record, which seems silly. The bass on that LP will knock your damn head off! Also you're very lucky to have seen them so much! Good for you fellow Fall fiend!
@@terrypussypower ...can get that ..Hanleys ' chunky sound ' was much of the reason the Fall were great ( with Marc ,Karl etc)...Magazine bass /guitar + Keys were musically top quality...
Late reply but I'm reading it at the moment! I've had so much Fall stuff on CD-R/tape; I've started (re)-collecting my (sold) collection. Great Cherry Red reissues, I played the Hex tape I was given (a copy) so much that it was virtually unlistenable, and the tape of Dragnet from my mate's shit hi-fi....I listened to it three times, but knew there was something there...I just couldn't fucking hear it! Now I've got a decent vinyl reissue I'm playing the bastard 3 times a week at least, it's incredible! Getting into the late stuff too--Sub Lingual, Post-Reformation, New Facts Emerge...who else is left now from the @post-punk" generation who never stopped gigging and recording?! The Bad Seeds? Pere Ubu (though there seems to be a health problem with David Thomas)? They're the only ones who never split up and reformed 'cause they were skint years later, u2 don't fucking count, very, very few bands had the endurance and legacy of M.E.S and The Fall. Rest In Power Mark E.Smith
This is brilliant. Watched it a couple of times as the interviewer seemed a bit week initially but I have just got the humour of this entire fucking piece - more laughs and quality songs than I've ever enjoyed! Well thought out, I think even the background ambient music was deliberately chosen!
Nice to see a more natural Smithy in this doc; sardonic, mischievous, earthy and likeable. He puts all his drinks on the table but not all his cards. Ta for all the stuff and off you go x
Prestwich is in Manchester.. Not Salford.. it borders Salford, but then prestwich comes under Bury too.. All near by tho.. I was wondering if that interview was done in one of the local pubs in prestwich he'd go drinking in (woodthorpe), (red lion)?? Or one of his Salford haunts? Looked like vault in the friendship to me. Used to see him having a few in there in summer aswell as the woodthorpe. would say hello.. 😎🍻👍
hahaha he's so right on about LA, public transporatation becomes the shame train. many have lamented on it as a hell even kerouac called it the loneliest he's ever been.
it's a wonderful bit of serendipity but the Enya song 'Sail Away' seems to take up a reasonable chunk of the background jukebox music (so too 'somethings gotten hold of my heart', another northerner)......strange that, but all the more wonderful and enigmatic
Why do all the interview edits end with M.E.S. slow-mo / fade to black & white? Like, visually implying: "Mark E Smith died just after he said this" (He was still entirely ALIVE when they made this 1994 doc) What the fuck kinda editing decision was this? Why?? ❔❓ (once you notice it it's reeeeally irritating - sorry)
I saw them at this point. Mark E. was too wasted to strand up, let alone sing. I was 25 and in no mood for that. I guess he never got over Brix. Classic alcoholic denial and pride that he's proud of having his drink on the table and judges other alcoholics for not being "pure" enough in their addiction.
The bible is a magical library that spans centuries it consists of poetry prophecy various values and laws spaning a host of cultures and so on The Koran is unique in that there is nothing like it in all of Arabic literature but it feels and fits in perfectly. Very much like the fall!
***** I've just realised I'm talking an absolute load of piffle, it wasn't Hunter S Thompson at all, it was Philip K Dick! And it was MES who said it on Radio 4 some years ago.
Is there anyone who still hasn't heard 'Cheap Space Chant' ? In RUclips, search for 'Timekode, Mark E Smith' and listen to the strangest and best MES/Fall collaboration of them all...
I love it that Mark hates LA. Growing up in its shadow, and visiting it only for attending shows, it is truly a boring place. The only thing we have is plenty of sunshine, plenty of cars, plenty of gangs.
Fabulous doc Mick Middles and big thanks to FRiB6890 for posting. I miss Mark so much. The band in it's various ways that I saw more than anyone else. People still don't get The Fall and that's their failure. No Bulbs is a go to tune for me. And The Man whose head expanded....
I love how much John loved The Fall. He was absolutely adamant that they were the greatest band in Britain and deserved constant airplay. Without him, The Fall wouldn't be the critics darlings they are now, for sure.
A representative of FIFA just said “ politics shouldn’t affect sport “ in defence of the Qatar World Cup tournament. If this is true , why is the Russian team not allowed to appear ? It’s all bollocks . 🐢❤️
I remember when Oasis were at there peak and always quoted. It seemed they hated and took the piss out of everybody. ?They were writing hit after hit. Everyone was not fit to be spared and compliments.. forget it.. There was ONE guy however who Noel Gallagher said ''He scares the life out of me. If he gets his shit together ,[ heorin ] they won't be talking be me... I wonder if the Notoriously salty inclusive Morrisey , had these thoughts about Mark Smith..
Gawd bless the curmudgeon. Tells you all fall members are self-taught then goes on about classically trained musicians in the fall. 😁 Marvellous and much missed.
Remember being in a beautiful hotel in Essaouira with a woman who I had come to absolutely despise and had an overwhelming, inexplicable urge to hear Wings, which I did. Then went out and got arseholed. Good times.
Simply amazing. I grew up in a bland city in California, known for it's state-of-the-art sewage plant; being ethnic and a outside thinker, the Fall became my soundtrack. Thank you Mark E. Smith.
Sounds like u grew up in a sunny version of Manchester. Mark E Smith was fuckin real. No fake shit here. U have great taste in music.
He says in Renegade that The Fall had an especially big Latinx following in San Francisco.
Such an incredible band. We'll never see M.E.S's like again, that's for sure. I briefly spoke to him once during the later years (2012) and he was very nice, thanked him for the music, said "you and the band just keep getting better and better and keep putting out absolutely belting records, thanks so much, Mark!" He said: "Thanks very much cocker, that's really nice to 'ear". He looked like he was in a hurry to the bar so I didn't want to push it any more...plus they were great that night, it was in London and they did two nights, my Sis lives there so I decided whilst my ears were still ringing waiting on the last train that I was going to see the next gig! And do you know what?--I DID!
@@questionitall3053 Have you seen the "It's Not Medication, It's Perspiration" doco on here that was filmed from 2004-2013? It has the most banging version of "I Am Damo Suzuki", and this is with the Eleni, Ben, Spencer Birtwhistle and Jim Watts version of the band. Or the "Traitors, Liars, C**ts" band as they came to be known, lol! Except from Eleni, of course...Great stuff. EDIT: It's actually called "It's Not Repetition, It's Discipline", sorry! If you like the early-to-mid-2000's line up it's particularly gratifying. That version of "Damo Suzuki", though, damn
@@questionitall3053 I was thinking the same thing, but couldn’t work out how to say it. Ta
I grew up in the next town on from Prestwich , but my Dad’s from there. It’s been a bit run down, like the rest of this part of England since the 70’s . Coming from the provincial city of Manchester and being working class. Makes you feel a little bit of an outsider. I’m guessing this has something to do with people who grew up in your situation relating to Manchester music. It’s cool how are two countries have a mutual respect for each other’s music and culture.
I spent many mediocre nights in Vegas in my early 20s listening to the Fall. Just sitting in an apartment on a weekend night totally wired with nothing better to do.
His comment on morrisey is worth this docs weight in gold,,perfick! I hung in the same pubs, drank with his band mates in prestwich, red lion, church etc, saw him from afar, close but never met…didn’t even know him, what a missed chance,still kick me-self for not saying hello an takin me chance…am told we would have defo got along, see ya mark, cheers for the endless fun xox
we are living in the times of no gigs ,etc wonder what mark woulda thought of this miserable situation we are on ,wot a load of bollocks we are in aye
Aye. Mark would have still found a way. Respect from Newcastle.
Can't imagine he'd have had much time for the restrictions and pub closures.
And grunge bands come from Cleveland. Who knew?
Living in Los Angeles for almost 40 years I've been blessed to see The Fall more times than any other live band. They comprise the most volume of my music library. Why? Don't know. Don't care. Just is.
Lmao, they take up the bulk of my collection too, but I'm the type of nutter who wants every pressing of every LP...finally scored the white with black splatter edition of Fall Heads Roll! That is the Holy Grail of my collection! So I have both the Narnack pressings, thinking about getting the UK pressing, but it's all on one record, which seems silly. The bass on that LP will knock your damn head off! Also you're very lucky to have seen them so much! Good for you fellow Fall fiend!
what is indisputable is that you have very good taste
"Drowning in a sea of Boddingtons ..."
R.I.P Mark you were a true original and your music never gets old! Thank you for being part of my youth.
@All Eyes On You no i did not, that's not cool at all. Very disappointed. : (
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California Fall fanatic chiming in.
I met MES in S.F. pre-show during the Infotainment Scan!
Ha ha, Morrissey don't know Salford from his arse. How true
Karl Burns scrawling potato men and 'Karlos The Mongo: on dressing room walls cracked me right up.
steve hanley was a great bassist, his book is excellent.
Must get it.
Where did it go all wrong ?
Nathan Parsons Steve Hanley was the musical backbone of classic Fall. Him and Magazine's Barry Adamson got me into the bass.
@@terrypussypower ...can get that ..Hanleys ' chunky sound ' was much of the reason the Fall were great ( with Marc ,Karl etc)...Magazine bass /guitar + Keys were musically top quality...
Late reply but I'm reading it at the moment! I've had so much Fall stuff on CD-R/tape; I've started (re)-collecting my (sold) collection. Great Cherry Red reissues, I played the Hex tape I was given (a copy) so much that it was virtually unlistenable, and the tape of Dragnet from my mate's shit hi-fi....I listened to it three times, but knew there was something there...I just couldn't fucking hear it! Now I've got a decent vinyl reissue I'm playing the bastard 3 times a week at least, it's incredible! Getting into the late stuff too--Sub Lingual, Post-Reformation, New Facts Emerge...who else is left now from the @post-punk" generation who never stopped gigging and recording?! The Bad Seeds? Pere Ubu (though there seems to be a health problem with David Thomas)? They're the only ones who never split up and reformed 'cause they were skint years later, u2 don't fucking count, very, very few bands had the endurance and legacy of M.E.S and The Fall. Rest In Power Mark E.Smith
14:30 "women and drugs break bands up"....says probably the most notorious singer in the history of rock for booting out members
if you want to see youtube's subtitle generator explode
Such a loss to lose him way too early. Brilliant, funny, artistic as hell.
Too early. I dunno. I’m stunned and I’m sure he was stunned he made it to 60. Jesus he was an unstoppable force like
'Women and drugs break bands up'. That might explain the 52 members.
He then pauses and says to the interviewer: "Think about it."
Very wry bit of humour there.
66 members. . half on drugs and the other half were women, think about it !
He lives in prestwich and is known to go to some local pubs there, would be cool to bump into him
This is brilliant. Watched it a couple of times as the interviewer seemed a bit week initially but I have just got the humour of this entire fucking piece - more laughs and quality songs than I've ever enjoyed! Well thought out, I think even the background ambient music was deliberately chosen!
Nice to see a more natural Smithy in this doc; sardonic, mischievous, earthy and likeable. He puts all his drinks on the table but not all his cards. Ta for all the stuff and off you go x
That you Mark?
Marvellous, i saw "I am kurious oranj" in the Netherlands approx. 27 (!!) years ago!
perhaps tell how it was?
I'm totally jelly
"Could not live LA for all the money in the fuckin' world... most boring town in the world..." hahahahaha
The kind of documentary that you'd get in Clampdown Records in the Corn Exchange back in the day! Before the IRA blew it to bits.
Haha! Insulting Morrissey! Mark and Moz are my two faves!
Morrisey is an absolute tool. Mark E Smith said that years ago and he was rightt
Grunge bands from Cleveland? Try again Mark!
Mister Mister I'm pretty sure he knew that....
yeah very much so, he's winding up the Grunge Fans imo
That was so uninformative cool.
Is this the full "documentary" (looks to only be an interview)
haha I could not live in LA for all the fucking money in the world, give me Prestwich anyday haha
Prestwich is in Manchester.. Not Salford.. it borders Salford, but then prestwich comes under Bury too.. All near by tho.. I was wondering if that interview was done in one of the local pubs in prestwich he'd go drinking in (woodthorpe), (red lion)?? Or one of his Salford haunts? Looked like vault in the friendship to me. Used to see him having a few in there in summer aswell as the woodthorpe. would say hello.. 😎🍻👍
Yes
The band which in our house
All the others are judged
The fun thing is he looked always so "normal" like your everyday chap.he never gave a shit about looking like a rockstar or any other crap
the only band that really are doing it (apart from my beloved My Bloody Valentine) is Boredoms..check em..
Vic reeves being a fall fan is pretty cool, wonder if mortimer is a fall fan too
hahaha he's so right on about LA, public transporatation becomes the shame train. many have lamented on it as a hell even kerouac called it the loneliest he's ever been.
At least when Sybil Fawlty said "OOH I know" it was meant as comic ...D'ya know what I mean?
Ya gotta Luv the Fall, The holy Grail of Post Punk...
it's a wonderful bit of serendipity but the Enya song 'Sail Away' seems to take up a reasonable chunk of the background jukebox music (so too 'somethings gotten hold of my heart', another northerner)......strange that, but all the more wonderful and enigmatic
the man John Lydon would love to be....
i'd be happy as a bus conductor...nah i wouldn't..great you gotta love The Fall!!!!!!!!!!!!
“I’m Steve Hanley’s Niece”
Prestwich isn't in Salford.
mark,what's your opinion of Warren Devon,,,ta
zevon
Salford Velvets...
@maleslate He'd constantly give passengers the boot and stop at every pub though!
Interesting. I agree with Mark on records being over produced.
Its so true, listen to The Faces ' Long Player ' no producer credit, Martin Birch as engineer. Eno and those 80s guys killed rock music.
The people I like live in kitchens and halls...
Why do all the interview edits end with M.E.S. slow-mo / fade to black & white?
Like, visually implying: "Mark E Smith died just after he said this" (He was still entirely ALIVE when they made this 1994 doc)
What the fuck kinda editing decision was this? Why?? ❔❓ (once you notice it it's reeeeally irritating - sorry)
'If you drink in the open you don't become an alcoholic', says the alcoholic LOL.
LOL "you couldn't replace Stephen Hanley", well since he left they've had about 8 bassists!!
Danny Cheesums exactly
The Fall are responsible for the Silence of the Lambs, wow. "Silence of the fall"
I saw them at this point. Mark E. was too wasted to strand up, let alone sing. I was 25 and in no mood for that. I guess he never got over Brix. Classic alcoholic denial and pride that he's proud of having his drink on the table and judges other alcoholics for not being "pure" enough in their addiction.
The bible is a magical library that spans centuries it consists of poetry prophecy various values and laws spaning a host of cultures and so on
The Koran is unique in that there is nothing like it in all of Arabic literature but it feels and fits in perfectly. Very much like the fall!
Its called M5 and you can find it on the L.P. Middle Class Revolt and/or the Behind The Counter E.P.
I like the Hunter Thompson reference on Totally Wired.
when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro..
Mark didn’t just live with his contradictions he exploited the fuck out of them. Brilliant.
everything is previously unreleased when it is released. even turds
'When the going gets weird the weird turn pro''
hunter s thompson
+IMMER160 Whose favourite album was "Dragnet"!
derek and ray dragnet
+terrypussypower Hunters favourite album was dragnet ? Where did you hear that?
***** I've just realised I'm talking an absolute load of piffle, it wasn't Hunter S Thompson at all, it was Philip K Dick! And it was MES who said it on Radio 4 some years ago.
10:20 refusing to let Nirvana on the tour bus, lol.
Just love hearing myself whistling at the end of this documentary.. what a great insight to a complex yet simple man.
Miss him more now than ever 😞
anymore fares-ah!
RIP Mark E Smith
Spoilt by the constant "D'ya know what I mean?" 's
21:15 on ...brought back many memories of bruised shins trying to defend a prime spot stage front at fall gigs in pokey venues :-)
Is there anyone who still hasn't heard 'Cheap Space Chant' ?
In RUclips, search for 'Timekode, Mark E Smith'
and listen to the strangest and best MES/Fall
collaboration of them all...
I love it that Mark hates LA. Growing up in its shadow, and visiting it only for attending shows, it is truly a boring place.
The only thing we have is plenty of sunshine, plenty of cars, plenty of gangs.
Good documentary though the interviewer was a bit servile...not an easy interviewee I guess.
as the going gets weird , the weird turns pro. fuckin priceless.
Fabulous doc Mick Middles and big thanks to FRiB6890 for posting. I miss Mark so much. The band in it's various ways that I saw more than anyone else. People still don't get The Fall and that's their failure. No Bulbs is a go to tune for me. And The Man whose head expanded....
I love how much John loved The Fall. He was absolutely adamant that they were the greatest band in Britain and deserved constant airplay. Without him, The Fall wouldn't be the critics darlings they are now, for sure.
epicepicepic
Rock and roll is all about the abuse of the instruments.
The Falls song Paintwork I made a vid to go with the song. To see it just type in the following title... The Fall Paintwork Prestwich
thanks for sharing!
Prestwich is not in Salford
Edinburgh man on the Extricate LP.
19:06 "If you drink in the open, you don't become an alcoholic." I think I see Mark suppressing a little grin after he says that!
how did this go unreleased?
Anything "with The Fall" = fantastic one
A representative of FIFA just said “ politics shouldn’t affect sport “ in defence of the Qatar World Cup tournament. If this is true , why is the Russian team not allowed to appear ? It’s all bollocks . 🐢❤️
Ha! Mark raises his pinkie when he drinks!!!!
I remember when Oasis were at there peak and always quoted. It seemed they hated and took the piss out of everybody. ?They were writing hit after hit. Everyone was not fit to be spared and compliments.. forget it.. There was ONE guy however who Noel Gallagher said ''He scares the life out of me. If he gets his shit together ,[ heorin ] they won't be talking be me... I wonder if the Notoriously salty inclusive Morrisey , had these thoughts about Mark Smith..
excellent!!!
Search for M5#1 on RUclips and it comes up. A quality song.
No two Fall gigs were ever the same.
Gawd bless the curmudgeon. Tells you all fall members are self-taught then goes on about classically trained musicians in the fall. 😁 Marvellous and much missed.
Remember being in a beautiful hotel in Essaouira with a woman who I had come to absolutely despise and had an overwhelming, inexplicable urge to hear Wings, which I did. Then went out and got arseholed. Good times.
women and drugs break bands up....wise man
great, many thanks.
That was great. Damn I had the chance to buy an old Fender painted by that guy back around 2000 for a couple hundred quids.
No, but i'll tell them John Peel said so. 'kay champ.
A true original, a one off xx
How cool is that! Mark E referencing Hunter S Thompson in Totally Wired. Excellent
"They don't actually realize that _The Fall are for real!"_ 14:01
Our Mark:
The very epitome of: "You do You, mate" 😸_👍
Thanks FRiB 6890
@NinetiesYouth Yes.
(Wikipedia says the kazoo IS an instrument)
Is that a young Mark Radcliffe narrating or I am I more stoned than previously issued?
Mark. Loved you since I was 10. They broke the mould as they say.
Brilliant documentry is it just me or does the guy narrating this film sounds a bit like melvyn bragg
Is that a very young sounding Mark Radcliffe doing the voice over?
ohuenno! i was in moscow in 2004 on "real new fall LP" presentation