RAW and UNCUT STEVE ALBINI Interview from Metal Evolution | BANGERTV
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2024
- Here's our Raw and Uncut interview with Steve from Metal Evolution. Its over 1 hour!!!
Steve fronted the post-hardcore and noise rock bands Big Black and Shellac and engineered albums for Failure, The Pixies, PJ Harvey, Nirvana, The Jesus Lizard, Godspeed You! Black Emperor, Cheap Trick, Slint and Fugazi just to name a few.
RIP Steve.
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Albini was an authentic human being. R.I.P.
"singer with a cod piece... shit like that" 😂
Thank god he addressed the NirVanna pronunciation! Jesus, Sam. Thanks and RIP.
By Albini standards he is quite diplomatic here. I've seen interviews where he just savaged everyone. Before his death he also recanted some of his more inflammatory comments. Much respect .
Thank you for sharing this. A true legend…what a horrible loss.
I still can't believe he's gone. With his relentless work ethic and notable lack of substance abuse problems, he just seemed unkillable.
@@ShiceSquad Yup. he looks mid 40s at MOST here. Hard to believe he's in his 60's in this video, harder still to believe he's gone.
@@SlowerRiot It is especially frustrating that he was so damned healthy and ended up keeling over anyway. Not much of an incentive to quit drinking and smoking, if your heart might just give out anyway, now, is it? I can only imagine he must have worked himself to death.
Best nickelback joke of all time
RIP Steve; a terrible loss. Been listening to new (last?) Shellac album a hell of a lot these past few weeks. He leaves an indelible mark on music and the ethics around it.
Thanks for this. It's hard to believe that he is no longer around and his view point on the industry - not taking points on a record, just accepting a one off payment - should not be forgotten. RIP Steve Albini.
Possibly one of the most articulate, unpretentious people in the business and a brilliant songwriter, engineer, and just genuinely passionate musician and lover of music to walk the planet in my lifetime. Thanks a million for posting this in its entirety, and posthumous thanks to Albini for correcting that ridiculous pronunciation of Nirvana.
articulate but very pretentious. particularly with his take on metal bands being "in it for teh sechs" when if you know anything about Steve Albini, he went above and beyond the depravity that few metal musicians could top, and by few i mean the few that are in prison if you get my drift O_o he's baffled by heavy metal's bravado and grandiosity because it shines a reflection of either a very overlooked or intentionally hidden area of himself. much of what he says about metal seems like projection on his part.
@@BuyersMarket69 It’s impressive to see how naïve Albini was. All of rock music is about posing and building an image, it is about a subculture, and it is about youth. The rundown image of working class Nirvana is also a choice and it’s also seen by any civilization as an excuse for you to be a young illiterate druggie anguished loser who feels he’s not understood, with ripped jeans. Just look at the world before subcultures and youth culture took over. Look at the world before the fifties. It is simply not serious to choose for your life to revolve around youth and simplistic rock music, even if you’re writing pseudo-superficial ill informed non-complex existential adolescent lyrics, which you think are deep philosophy. And which are not. Go read Plato. Nirvana is as serious as Mano war. One of the differences being that maybe the fact that Kurt Cobain took that self-destructive unaffected nihilism too seriously helped deepen his depression, whereas the Manowar guys probably know that they are putting on a show for young people predominantly.
Rock ‘n’ roll has been about music, and not the most complex music that humanity can produce at that, and also about having an image, since before Elvis Presley really. Look at Sid vicious. Look at the ramones. The fact that a grown man on his 60s really thinks that there’s that much of a difference between all of these rock bands is a testament to the comfort that capitalism produces. In two hundred years no one is going to really see the difference between poison and Nirvana. Most of the adult works already doesn’t. Nobody cares about this besides rock and roll fans.
@@Fidelio116 i would say within the next decade ppl wont see the difference between Poison and Nirvana. even Buzz Osbourne admitted recently in an interview that Nirvana made songs to sell records and be commercially viable. it's all an image they project but alotta the early grunge artists didn't realize it was a gimmick until it was too late.
Very pretentious, and SO "underground" 🙄
@@mjnomy He was a very good and important producer, and his work speaks for itself, but he clearly took "punk" and rock culture way too seriously.
58:50 what a goddamn legend
Really well done interview... I can't get enough of people talking about things that they don't care about and doing it well
lmao
RIP Steve, his records with Songs: Ohia /Jason Molina are legendary. Great and insightful interview.
He’s recorded and produced many great bands but my fave will always be The Jesus Lizard !
This is an incredible interview.
Really great to get the full unedited thing, it's wonderful listening to his thoughts. Cheers
Great interview, thank you so much for that!
I remember back in the 90s listening to PJ Harvey's "Rid of Me" album and just having my face absolutely melted with some of the tracks. "Legs" and Uri G" come immediately to mind. He turned her into a sludgy, female Glenn Danzig with that album. It'll always be in my top 5.
Edgy
Hell yeah. PJ Harvey is the fucking truth🤘
Very good interview. Steve as direct as always. May he Rest In Peace.
Kinda funny how I’ve seen Shellac twice and they were the only band ive ever had to actually wait in line for hours in order to score tickets- each time.
I love Steve’s unapologetic frankness.
This is poetry dawg.
19:30 Steve telling the Pearl Jam story again LOL
Steve Albini is the man. Thanks for the uncut footage.
I know why you did this, but I think more documentary makers should post the raw uncut interviews. Can't tell you how many times I've been watching a documentary, heard an interview and wondered what else someone said.
YES THIS! I think of this all the time when I watch PBS or Ken Burns documentaries.
Great articulate interview Sam. Thanks very much for sharing this!
RIP Steve 🙏🏼
thank you for sharing that interview. I was crushed upon hearing that he died
Great interview! I grew up getting into metal with bands like Iron Maiden, WASP, Motley Crue etc then got into thrash and death metal in the 90s like Sepultura etc., but the funny thing is at that same time in the early 90s i also loved Nirvana, Alice In Chains, Soundgarden etc. I still love all of it but i saw how some kids would only stay in one lane at a time.
I’m fascinated with the arc of Albini from the 90 lb. terror of the 1980s underground to the thoughtful old craftsman of the 2020s. I will bet a cool hundred that he built the chair he was sitting in during this interview. I would love to hear an interview where he talks about abandoning the edgelord throne and adopting a more mature philosophy of life. RIP.
Thank you for uploading this.
Oh god he died a few days before my birthday. Big black really appealed to me and bands like slint or pj Harvey. Well I have like 2 people left that I respect whole heartedly, what a blow, he was who he was until the end.
Interesting to hear his thoughts on metal. Around the mid 90s things to kind of a turn, and people were making stuff that sounded pretty metal, but didn't have the whole look. And, incidentally, he was involved in the production of it. Thinking of Helment, and Don Caballero's debut "For Respect". Sure, Damon Che, would spit fire from behind the drum kit at shows and everything, but they didn't look like conventional metal heads at all.
Anyway, thanks for posting.
I think Steve hates talking about heavy metal.
who cares what this steve guy says, he has alot of shitty opinions
@@MetalDeathHead his love of children being one of them.
@@davidmeyer1054 what are you talking about?
@@EdFredHernandezSteve wrote a glowing review of Peter Sotos's _Pure_ zine back in his _Matter_ column days that contains some pretty graphic praise for its focus on child pornography (along with a section in his last Big Black tour diary talking about a Dutch magazine that featured teenage sex photography). It's generally written with the same tone of someone excitedly praising a particularly gruesome horror film, but lot of people who didn't like Steve have since grabbed on to it to paint him as a pedophile posthumously.
many thx for this gem! Steve was an audiophile genius ...
That's not the only type of 'phile he was
@@joeylummox7330😮
@@joeylummox7330 OOOOSH!
@@joeylummox7330 what do you mean?
The history Steve is talking about here is fleshed out very well in the documentary "Such Hawks, Such Hounds". The "raw" strain of metal that's now called "doom, or stoner" is what Black Flag concocted on the b-side of My War and the Melvins spread far and wide to the underground and grunge is like its distant cousin. This is very apparent in the sound of a band like Alice In Chains on their sludgier songs.
You just gave me something else to watch. Thanks!
Wow! You must be the Professor of Punk! 🥴
Thanks for the tip. Just listened to that album. Yip, checks out. Must watch that documentary. On Albini's point about there being some latent D.N.A. of metal, I think you can just about hear that in the drums and guitar in the Black Flag album. Maybe just a hint of more stranger / instrumental Black Sabbath takes. And I think you can hear Black Sabbath even more so in The Melvins and AIC. And Black Sabbath, in a way weren't that flashy flamboyant guitar solo. Sometimes I think of Black Sabbath more as a Psychedelic band, more like Hawkwind. Which reminds me of another band that kind of fit in the gaps between punk and 'metal': Motorhead.
Albini liked some metal from what I recall.
On the other hand, I think his impressions of heavy metal were based on what he saw on MTV in the 80s.
The whole grunge vs. glam thing is old. One flamed out pretty much and the other flickers on. There have been good and not so good bands in both camps.
Grunge was a form of metal. It was 70s metal mixed with punk and indie rock.
Rest in Rock Steve Albini.....and for you I shall forever take a piss on SM57s in your honor!
I see you have the new NOMEANSNO book on your desk!
I'm glad he made the distinction between Silverchair and some of the other bands. They got a lot of shit but I was always impressed with how good they were for 15/16 yr olds. Not sure why Bush got a pass though 😂
He literally says in the interview why Bush gets a pass from him.
@@justingurley836 I literally said I'm not sure why? They were the most cliche of all the post grunge bands and Gavin Rosdale was 30.
At least Steve had a good take on Silverchair but honestly Steve has terrible taste when it comes to music and basically hates everything that would be a radio friendly hit(he admits to this and told the famous story where he was recording Razorblade Suitcase and they asked Steve to rank the songs and Steve put Swallowed so low not making it as a song on the album and it ended up being Bush's biggest song of their career.
Usually the only way for one of those bands to get Steve's respect is for them to directly work with Steve. Steve did not like Nirvana at first until he worked with them. Bush is the same thing except I don't think Steve likes their music at all still but he was very cool with Gavin so he lets it slide and then says "well cause they toured a lot and Gavin likes the Pixies then Gavin gets a pass" which is silly to give them a pass but Steve them bashes the Smashing Pumpkins calling them REO Speedwagon in 1995. Steve bashed Pearl Jam for decades because they had connections in the industry to help get a record deal without touring which funny enough Bush got a record deal the same way(Gavin was a recording artist prior to Bush which his past was hidden because he had a George Michaels pop look). Also Foo Fighters are the biggest example of a band getting big because of connections(ex-Nirvana drummer) but you don't here Steve bash them because he like Dave Grohl but I guarantee you Steve does not like Foo Fighters music at all. Also Steve bashing GNR in this interview is hilarious acting like they are some generic LA hair band with no talent.
Savage Nickleback criticism
Great interview.
Спасибо маэстро мы росли на вас 🙋🙋🙋🙋🤟🤟🤟🤟за глаток свежего воздуха
RIP Steve🙏
FUCK! He was such a Real human being! This was a great interview. I was Hoping he'd talk about Neurosis. R.I.P 🙏
Thanks
funny interview! love it
RIP
BUSH got that street cred....LOL
Yes..haha
The grunge bands did express admiration for other metal bands.
Genius
Wow never expected a metal focused channel to even mention Steve Albini let alone put up a full interview, and done so respectfully, posthumously. RIP Steve. Thank you BangerTV. Now I will watch the interview.
Hey, it’s traffic to the channel, right? 😂 If there was any real respect for bands in the punk lineage then we wouldn’t be intentionally mispronouncing “Nur-VON-uh.” They know it makes us crazy. 😂 “Nir-VAN-uh”… 🤢 they do realize that the pronunciation in the In Bloom video is a joke about old people, right? 😂
Good to see Mr Albini having a pop at Whitesnake. Hard to explain my extreme hatred of that band.
why is the interviewer unable to successfully pronounce Nirvana...?
lol
He's Canadian and might just pronounce it differently.
We lost a real one
Great interview 🤘
He was a real life, flesh and blood superhero.
wise dude rip
Am I alone in thinking Shellac was awesome?
Pretty much
You're not alone
Just got here. No
Big black, dude
@123612100 Big black was first. At Action Park from his band, Shellac is a fantastic album.
Thanks!
17:45 I feel like AC/DC would want to slap him for saying that about them.
What? For giving them a compliment?
@@TheBomber15 They hate being called heavy metal, and I'm not sure they would take kindly to those terms.
@@MetalPersonJI mean, at the end of the day, what ac/dc REALLY is is a pub band on crank, and I'd say everything steve albini described them with applies as such
GNR were doing just fine during Nirvana's hey day Steve, the Illusion tour was gigantic and pretty much lasted from Nevermind through In Utero, not sure they needed them to open up for relevance.
GNR was doing fine until Spaghetti Incident. Which grunge had no bearing on.
@@MetalPersonJ well yeah we look back and say that was the last thing that line up put out but it was really just a fill in album before the next lot of original material...was recorded during the Illusions sessions.
GNR is one of the most overrated and boring turds of all time.
Yea they did but as a cultural movement it was more or less over...at least that what it seemed!
@@hankworden3850overrated? Probably, boring? No.
He sure LOVES using metaphors as a comparative tool...finding the most hilariously absurd ways to describe the carefully curated & engineered idiocy of 80s hair bands.
And he was still a snarky teenager at heart. Acting like he’s above it all, his opinions are fact, and his personality revolves around what he doesn’t like.
Thev other thing Calgary is famous for is Bret Hart
When you return your Nickleback CD to the store they'll give you how much...?
When was this interview conducted?
The Black album came out in august 1991 and softened the ears for Nevermind which came out in September 1991. Metallica made heavy music more accessible. That's my theory. I thought the black album sounded good but was too slow. Nirvana were okay but Pentera and Megadeth are way better.
Pantera also had at least one objective thrash song on every one of their post 80s albums. I'll be honest, the "groove metal" tag on them was always a little questionable. Sure the singles were groovy, but no fast/thrashy song ever makes it to radio. Aside from BYOB, but that was the exception that proves the rule.
It’s probably more like college rock stations and alternative rock and punk had prepared people for grunge for about a decade and a half.
@@r4x2 it is, i doubt that was Metallica's merit
i love the dude, but let's get clear, there is a lot of idealization of indie rock in his words. for example nirvana were not "school friends listening to melvins", maybe there were in the begging, well everybody starts somewhere right? They kicked out their drummer because thay've seen a better one, Kurt had different rates and royalties then the rest of the band, and they had a second gitar at some period, just because Kurt was a fan of the man. Meanwhile true indie community in Olympia didn't want Nirvana at their festival because they thought they were sold out posers. As books say, being in late nirvana was a torture.
When Albini is talking about the Hair Metal sound production I feel like he could be talking about “modern metal” or Metalcore in 2024. Let’s all pray that a scene wipes that off the face of the earth as the Seattle bands did. Shits getting old……
It should be the New wave of trad metal.
🎯 💯 🎯 💯
Metalcore and Octanecore have long outstayed their welcome
@@joeylummox7330 I honestly think metalcore being the approved "popular" rock form is the only reason hip hop became bigger than rock.
@@MetalPersonJ I agree
I'd happily take hair metal any day over Octanecore. Others mileage may vary.
And dude, it’s all show business. Music is a business. It’s all larger than life. He romanticizes grunge. The ones that are still around are making a living doing it. Soundgarden played big venues. They played between pantera and skid row.
The only get real jobs when they can’t make money playing music anymore.
I don't understand why all radio DJ's in canada say "NEARVAANA" to this day like? we had television, we had mtv and Muchmusic in the 90's, where did that bizarre pronunciation come from?
NirMiniVanUh
Some people in the comments feel a certain way about the pronounciation of the word "Nirvana" - I invite them to listen to Paper Cuts and hear which way Cobain pronounced it. Just sayin.
EDIT: Wow, in general these comments are very cretinous - not even just about the pointless pronounciation fixation. Hope that's not a channel-wide thing.
Steve’s birthday tomorrow same as mine.
Is this interviewer pronouncing Nirvana wrong on purpose to be funny?
It makes me insane LOL. I feel like some definitely do it on purpose. Dude, it’s a U.S. band so pronounce it the U.S. way. I don’t say “tor-TIL-uh” like my racist grandad did, I say “tor-TEE-uh.” 😂 Otherwise, super grateful that this is up on RUclips. ❤
@@user-kg6vf8xo7q I thought it was a reference to the beginning of the In Bloom video, where Doug Llewelyn deliberately says Nir-VAN-a to sound extra square and out of touch like a proper variety show host
@@user-kg6vf8xo7q Pity about your tor-TIL-uh-saying grandad, though. My condolensces.
@@ShiceSquad LOL I think of that EVERY TIME! That, and a really funny interview clip of a young Dave Grohl educating Canada on the correct pronunciation. It was adorable. 😂
@@user-kg6vf8xo7q Never saw that Dave Grohl clip you're talking about, but now I know I have to. Have you got a link to it?
Why the hell's the interviewer pronouncing Nirvana like that? So clueless.
Listen to Paper Cuts. So clueless.
It's kinda weird how through this entire conversation there is no acknowledgement that underground metal is a thing that existed in the 80s
They didn’t need to acknowledge it because that’s not what they were talking about. They seemed to be comparing two genres that were the most popular of their times and how they differed ; and also what inspired each of them. The underground metal of the 80’s didn’t massively inspire of either of the hair metal or the “grunge” scenes so they didn’t go down that road. At least that was my impression.
Here for the butthurt gnr fans
@@deemon9573 I'm here to watch people defend this pdf
@@davidmeyer1054 you seem pretty obsessed with anything pdf related
How did that "safe and effective" work out for you Steve?
Doesn't appear to have been those particular things, does it...(Albini speak)
And they spend so much time talking about Creed and Nickelback. Who cares? Do they think these bands care about what they think of them?
Something underground becomes mainstream, it gets copied. Ho-hum.
That’s not how you pronounce nirvana.
Never liked Pearl Jam nor Alice in Chains.
Thinks GnR were stupid. WOW.
32:35 he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Metal bands write about so many things.
Everyone go check out the classic record, Buyers Market, to see Albini at his peak!
He thought metal was “phony”?
I don’t know why Dunn wasted so much time talking to him. To be very diplomatic, it wasn’t in his wheelhouse for the most part.
Of course he gives Bush a pass. If he hadn't been hired to produce them they'd be the first grunge wannabe band in his crosshairs.
I thought the same but actually working with a band on an album would give you a solid opinion on where they are coming from.
@@drillbag makes you question his ire for bands he didn't happen to work with though, doesn't it? if he'd recorded Candlebox, he'd surely be cutting them slack now too.
@@KowankoMusicWell, I highly doubt he’d be cutting them slack ‘now’…
@@heavytherapyspeak ill of the dead
I think he just sees past the narrative of some of the music journalists of the time, that thoughτ it would be cool to have a band to hate, for nonsensical reasons. Like that they were from England and Gavin was good looking and not a drug addict. In all kinds of music genres bands have similar sounds, mostly due to similar influences, and you seldom see such a witch hunt.
an hour interview ? how many times does he say the n-word?
41:57 again he has no clue. Metallica covered their songs back in the 80s! Their stuff started getting reissued.
Why is he talking to Albini about Grunge. He is not the godfather of grunge. All these bands are playing because they dont sell records. They need money!!!!!
The man who produced "Buyer's Market" calls GNR a joke. At least the bloke no longer needs a reality check.
Was his middle finger to the peace punks I would guess..
Kurt Cobain was a fan of Celtic Frost.
Albini is being disingenuous about Bush. Talk about corporate grunge.
God, the fucking word salad. I’m done.
The same crowd that is outraged when a football player gets away with r@pe is the same crowd that is praising this child lover because of the albums be created. So weird.
got any evidence for that?
@@MetalPersonJ Are you being serious? It is very well known. He has written about it himself a few times. It's disgusting af. People that defend him are just as gross.
@@davidmeyer1054 you're talking as if he's John Finberg. No one knows this shit at large.
@@davidmeyer1054One column in Matter about _Pure_ and one anecdote in a Big Black tour diary, both from the 80's at the height of the "edgelord" period he later disavowed. Having read both, they come off as morbid but hardly pedophilic - he treats it more like another taboo to outrage the mainstream in the same fashion as one might praise a gory horror film or some other extremely base entertainment. Any more solid evidence than that?
You know that a column on a magazine isn't a proof since he was also deliberately provocative.
Albini is arrogant in this interview.
Why don't you cry about it?
@@hankworden3850 🤣🤣🤣
Nonce
oh no a reddit dude taking about a single promo for his friend and then labeling him, typical, i like how you waited until he died to bring it up.
@@Grisu. Can you give a little context to where these accusations are coming from?
Pig pile, SAF, the hammer party, Atomizer, Terraformer, 1000 hurtz, , try to understand how small you sound trying to insult this guy ffs
@@MrPERPS a list of bands the average music fan hasn't even heard of doant chane the fact that this guy was a pervert and a half
These were his albums, influenced an entire generation, his song Jordan Minnesota. Go listen to it.
Peter Sotos.
Please...
I know he's dead and all, but he's kind of a douche. 😮
FWIW Steve probably did not like Ghost.
I wonder if he died from the covid clot shot ?
pretty sure that every human being who has ever lived, is currently living, or will ever live is going to die...you, me, everyone...whether they got the "clot shot" or not.
Make sure and donate to the grift.
@@KaijuInvadesNYC cope harder
@@eddiemaiden4751 I think being this pretentious takes a toll on your health after awhile... seriously though I find guys like Albini as cringe as the hair metal guys. I'll give the hair metal guys some credit though as I think they now realise how cringe they were.
@@allanokeefe104 Love the pretentiousness. I cry when I hear his albums because I feel like my favorite musicians are in the room with me. You gotta be a little pretentious to care enough about audio engineering to make that happen for a fan. (But yeah…it probably does take a toll… 😂❤)
It’s impressive to see how naïve Albini was. All of rock music is about posing and building an image, it is about a subculture, and it is about youth. The rundown image of working class Nirvana is also a choice and it’s also seen by any civilization as an excuse for you to be a druggie anguished loser who feels he’s not understood, with ripped jeans. Just look at the world before subcultures and youth culture took over. Look at the world before the fifties. It is simply not serious to choose for your life to revolve around you simplistic rock music, even if you’re writing pseudo-superficial ill informed non-complex existential adolescent lyrics, which you think are deep philosophy. And which are not. Go read Plato. Nirvana is as serious as Mano war. One of the differences being that maybe the fact that Kurt Cobain took that self-destructive unaffected nihilism too seriously helped deepen his depression, whereas the Manowar guys probably know that they are putting on a show for young people predominantly.
Rock ‘n’ roll has been about music, and not the most complex music that humanity can produce at that, and a strong image since before Elvis Presley really. Look at Sid vicious. Look at the Ramones. The fact that a grown man on his 60s really thinks that there’s that much of a difference between all of these rock bands is a testament to the comfort that capitalism produces. In two hundred years no one is going to really see the difference between poison and Nirvana. Most of the adult world already doesn’t. Nobody cares about this besides rock and roll fans.
The fact that he can tell a difference means hes a skillful artist. The fact that you can't and need to regress to the past to make an argument tells me you don't belong in the conversation.
@@ileutur6863 The fact that he doesn't understand that this is all youth culture and that all of these bands are putting on an image shows that he hasn't become mature enough to realize what rock and roll is. Which is the same situation you are in.
@@Fidelio116 Where do you think the image came from? Its an exaggeration of lifestyles that actually existed. Go meet some musicians, hang out with them, get to really know them.
@@ileutur6863 it doesn’t matter if they actually existed, a lot of stuff actually existed and it’s not serious. The fact that people could live like that, like kids, pretending to be upset about teenage angst, dressed like slobs, a bunch of people, with no intellectual capacity, no academic resources, pretending they are serious, that in itself is an image you don’t get that? Grow up. Become an adult. Punk kids are not representative of anything of value of any civilization or system or society. Get that inside your head. Rock ‘n’ roll music is fun. And that’s the end of it.
@@ileutur6863 it doesn’t matter if they actually existed, a lot of stuff actually existed and it’s not serious. The fact that people could live like that, like kids, pretending to be upset about teenage angst, dressed like slobs, a bunch of people, with no intellectual capacity, no academic resources, pretending they are serious, that in itself is an image you don’t get that? Grow up. Become an adult. Punk kids are not representative of anything of value of any civilization or system or society. Get that inside your head. Rock ‘n’ roll music is fun. And that’s the end of it.