Hi Drew, Love your videos, and you are so young :-). I am 65 and did a computer science degree back in 1976 so all modern computers are super fast to me. Back when I started in Aerospace computing, we thought all our problems would be solved once we got faster systems. My first systems were 1 MHz clock, had 4K EPROM and 256 Bytes RAM, and we did algorithms like 2D speed and altitude computation for helicopter air data systems. So my take is these speed bumps are going to be needed, as you and me right now can’t imagine what can be done once you unlock more power. We haven’t reached stability yet, when computation is no longer the limit. Every time we had performance boost (like SPARC in 1989), we then did more, like interactive graphics you take for granted now. When power starts to get close to the human mind, then stability :-) Keep up the good work!
Apple needs to keep releasing new products yearly. Not because the 1-2 year old shoppers are tired of their Mac’s but it’s because the 8+ year old Mac owners are finally starting to think about upgrading.
@@techware1840 Air is super premium and a great laptop, but I'd prefer a pro. Problem is I don't have much of a use for a laptop most of the time, so I bought an m1 air some time ago. They're awesome. All m1 or later macbooks are just awesome.
This was a big reason that Jobs talked about when he returned to Apple and introduced that "product square": so we can focus on fewer models and update them more frequently. We often saw 2 refreshes per year per Mac model after that. How long should Mac customers need to wait for HDMI 8K support? Wifi 7? Thunderbolt 5? Hardware Ray Tracing? And so on... especially now with SoC and everything soldered. No chance to upgrade anything! Then Apple need to update their Macs frequently enough! It was another situation with PowerMac starting at around 1500 dollar many years ago, then you could add almost anything without the need to wait for 2-3 years for a new Mac that got that as standard. I'm most disappointed about Mac Pro and a bit also about Mac Studio. I know that Apple wanna release a new Mac Studio with a new Ultra chip and we only got M3 Max. M3 Ultra is not yet ready or Apple wanna skip that and go for M4 Ultra? As a customer this situation is HORRIBLE. We don't wanna buy M2 Ultra when M3 Ultra should already exist and M4 is around the corner. Why, Apple?
Exactly. Nobody is forcing anyone to upgrade. That’s a person’s choice if they want to. They just have options out there in case you are upgrading due to just to have the latest model from last year, or your upgrading from 8 years ago.
3:57 this was a big reason why Apple switched over to their own CPU. Intel refresh rates for new processors never matched when Apple wanted to refresh their computer lineup.
Apple switched from Intel to their own processor for the same reason they abandoned the IBM/Motorola built PowerPC (PPC) processor in favor of Intel. Intel failed to maintain it's tick-tock production model. Intel hit a process road block upon reaching the 14nm level & was stuck there for several years allowing competitors like TSMC, Samsung and even the AMD spun-off Global-Foundries to surpass them. Under this model there is a die shrink (tick) which delivers a power consumption & TDP reduction followed then by a microarchitecture change (tock) performance increase. Intel were delivering the tocks but the ticks (die shrink). As a result each successor generation released by Intel ran hotter than the prior. These misses placed Apple in a jam & largely responsible for the crap Macs sold after 2012 & 2013 until the M series SoCs came available. Apple had painted themselves into a corner when they designed their Macs & Macbook w/limited thermal management anticipating ticks cycles Intel failed to deliver on. By going w/small & thin form factor cases shoe-horning better thermal management was simply NOT an option.
It's a suped up Google search. That almost nobody really needs. I like playing around on it or using it to learn new skills in coding but that's about it
AI is like Aloe Vera. It's everywhere, but largely useless. AI may consume more RAM and resources. Will Apple put 16 GB of RAM into base model laptops?
If they manage over time to create a version of Siri that can see what you are doing for coding for exemple and just ask it what you want and it helps you it might be interesting. But IA could also boost complex render time on different types of projects
@@EverythingCameFromNothing wait did you forgot about M8 SUPER ULTRA LEVIATHAN INTENSE FURY HYPER QUADRO QUANTA EXPRESS EXTREME PRO ULTRA CHIP?? Bark Nuremberg says that single chip will be able to cater to whole world's computing power "just a single chip" powering every computer across the world via wired Apple express link interconnect and Apple exclusive Hyper ultra wireless connection
M4 rapid release is probably influenced by LLMs and Apple's ambition for on-device LLM. I would expect they optimized their neural cores for LLM specific computations.
You're not going to see LLMs running on an SOC anytime soon. The NPU's are just matrix calculation accelerators good for DSP processing which at this point is almost entirely for voice synthesis and image processing At best you'll be running something a bit more demanding than stable diffusion XL
@@JohnSmith-qt4pv I mean, they already do actually. Ever heard of GPT4All? I use it on my M2 Pro with 16GB of RAM, and their models are fast and precise. It's already here.
@@andreamichelezucchi8600 gpt4all is just the front-end/backend (koboldAI is what most people are using as their backed) A heavily compressed 13B model at 4bit precision is impressive for what can be squeezed into a 16GB memory budget but it's a very far cry from an uncompressed 70B LLM at full precision.
But you also need lots of memory. Not sure how AI on a machine with 8GB makes sense. But Apple surely will find fancy marketing words to explain it away.
@@haderlumpi Well, they will simply tell people that their M4 can do AI very well, and simply not mention that you have to add $1000 on top of the already high price to get enough memory. Most people fall for it every new release anyway.
Oh please. They're just trying to stay competitive with the market. If they weren't upgrading this fast you'd be whining about how they're not keeping up.
One thing that's good about this fast paced performance buffing is that the base models will be more and more capable and we'll soon have old devices that are very cheap and affordable yet has plenty of performance for their usage... I mean it can gain some market share for apple as windows machines are mainly used because they're the only cheap options. So now that there will be cheap Macs with much better quality and performance, in my book its a good thing for the world.
Normal people dont buy a new laptop every year. But the companies make new models every year so that the guy who hasn't upgraded in like 5 years can go upgrade. An M4 MacBook Pro would be a big upgrade for someone still running an Intel Mac from like 2018 or whatever.
Exactly right, no one realistically expects people to upgrade year on year, it's the cumulative upgrades that make a new computer appealing after 5 years+.
@@raymonddsouza8948 yea super annoying that the tech RUclipsrs keep pushing this narrative just because THEY are on the cutting edge and experiencing every new version of a product. Some of these guys just need to take a step back and look at the big picture
I mean the one thing at this point for me is sufficient compute power for neural network training that rivals a full fledged nvidia GPU. The unified memory system is great for being able to hold a NN in memory for alot of instances but the speed hasn't been shown at least in videos of people comparing them to be equal. I haven't been able to really benchmark a highend mac studio for example, for my specific use cases though so it might already be close enough
I was so ready for a Dragon Ball Z reference in that skit at the beginning. Like Goku and his speech about going even further beyond to Super Saiyan 3 lol
Problem is that those LLMs need big amounts of memory. Which is not really Apple‘s biggest strength. 8GB will be even more of a problem if Apple really wants to go the AI route.
Imagine if apple started upping their phone chips even more and allowed booting into a desktop os on iPhone and iPad through an adapter. So like iOS/Mac OS hybrid like with Samsung and their desktop
Ordered a used entry level 14 inch M3 (yes I know the chip that’s supposed to be way different from the m2) to replace my 13 inch OG M1 from 2020. I think the display and maybe the chip speakers webcam upgrade etc will be worth it to me.
Not sure why we need these advanced processors coming out in such a short time. I have an M2 iPad Pro 12.9. It’s WAY more than what I need, especially for the relatively simple OS for it.
I think the main reason Apple is rushing is the upcoming Qualcomm Elite X, with just the M2 Line Up, it would look really good against the M2, Apple fixed this with the surprising Intro of the M3, also the Npu of M3 is still 2-3 times slower than the current Qualcomm Elite X, which will be fixed with M4, also wih M4 the come to a much cheaper Node 3 processing.
I'm still using M1 Max with 32 GB of ram. Only real reason I'm looking to upgrade potentially with m4 is I need more RAM and the increased multi core power will be great and significant GPU power from m1 max. I would really like to see some improvements to the chassis since it's been several years now, even subtle ones like adding FaceID since there is a notch there since day.
@@PeterKoperdan I do some software development that requires many docker containers + many active instances of IDE's running a gang of micro services. Add some safari tabs + simulators and a few other programs and my laptop is utilizing swap bc 32gb isn't enough. I'm thinking 64 will be enough for me.
Unfortunately, I do not feel the need to upgrade. I got the redesigned 14” MBP and it works great at most things. I want to get a new MBP to try out the new chips, but there just isn’t a big enough incentive to do so.
Had not gotten your page as a suggesten in my feed for a very very long time. So glad that this one popped back up again. Hopefully I'll get more of it now. I am still rocking my MBP 2013 15". I was about to upgrade to the M3 MBP but ended up not doing so. Like you pointed out, I'll probably wait for M4, and if they don't create a pink Elephant flying through a maze then I'll try to go with an older M3 that is discounted.
3:50 On one hand maybe they like the unpredictability, on the other hand, maybe designing the computers and the chip architecture + figuring out manufacturing and testing is really challenging, so they just release it once they know the product meets their standards. Plus releasing new chips keeps their name fresh in the minds of consumers.
Juat bought an M1 Macbook AIr from walmart for $699. It is wonderful and I am enjoying everything the M1 has to offer. It is still very good! Exactly what I needed to replace my mid 2019 macbook pro with an intel chip. It is miles better in every way and no fans! Anyone who got an M1 device on release made out like bandits!
M3 was always due to be short lived. It was built using the TSMC N3B node - which while good, is pretty problamatic. It has higher costs than expected. It has worse yields than expected. TSMC wants customers moving over and using the N3E node. Speed wasnt the main reason for changing nodes: yields were. Id be surprised if we even see M3 Ultra for that reason (Also M3 couldnt support tandem OLED displays)
There is the chip design and the process to consider here. M3 is on a dead end process, a hack to deal with manufacturing issues. Apple can’t invest more design time on the M3 family as they can’t move it to newer processes. So if they want new chip features (and they do need it for the desktops) they have to jump to new designs for M4 on the process that the M3 was supposed to be on. This is the price for not delaying M3 and A17. So they kept the M3 line up closer to the A17 to get 3nm into phone and some 3nm benefit in M3, but doing most of the large design roadmapped changes in M4 so they can reuse the work on the next process variants. Very sensible IMO
I think its quite valid for Apple to compare their new lines to 5 year old lines - Like everyone I know I'm updating Macs on a 5-8 year cycle. Though I have 3, so I get a new one every 2-3 years.
So from my understanding, most of the lineup won't get m3 since they had just switched to a 3nm process which had some limitations, with the m4 the process is ready to hit mainstream
Everyone's just going nuts over M4 trying to figure out what's the point of it in a Mac... forgetting that Apple makes these chips not only for Macs but for other products as well. They're working towards robots now, so this journey towards extreme TOPS for AI compute is necessary to achieve that ultimate goal. In the mean time, the M4 will end up in iPad, Vision Pro and even new first gen robots that they are developing.
The Computing sector will take losses due to the business model of renting software. Not everyone can afford the software anymore. And that will make it obsolete to buy the productivity hardware.
Apple literally can't do an M3 Ultra except from the ground up cause the M3 Max doesn't have an UltraFusion connection on the die, so it literally makes the most sense to start with the M4 Ultra on the new process node and work down from there to the M4 later in the year. Plus they're not going to put chips on an old node in a computer that's supposed to last longer like the Studio or Pro.
8:04 what they can do which is different from the rest of the AI is authorize their digital assistant with the authority to do things on your behalf. Maybe other AI can answer questions for you and do so things for you in maybe some google products, but not to the extent that an apple ai can do within the apple ecosystem. ChatGPT can't really do anything except answer questions and make text/image content iirc. It doesn't have the authority to do stuff for you
Honestly id just rather they release macbooks in august/september-right in time for students going back to school. Then desktop macs in December or January. Most ppl want macbooks but obviously certain workflows are better on desktop. But this leapfrog effect of only certain m4 macs at this time, then spring or summer of next yr for the other m4 entry macs. But inbetween time the m4pro/max comes out. Studio skips a gen, mac mini entry vs mac mini with pro chip-all of this is unnecessary. All the power in them is suuuuper sufficient for the masses, and waiting a yr between each would be perfectly fine
Apple doesn’t expect you to upgrade computers each year, they want to make it easy for someone to upgrade as soon as they decide to. Most people stick with a computer for ~5 years, so customers know they can buy an Apple computer as soon as they are done with their current one. Yearly upgrades are good, it gives more options and reduces the cost of older models. And yes, the cheese grater either needs to be replaced or removed. It’s so stupidly expensive to be beat out by Mac Minis
I’ve still got an Intel Mac, and it works fine. Mostly, I use my 4 year old iPad Pro, and my iPhone 15. I can’t keep everything current, so I leap frog one device at a time. The Mac is getting a bit dated, but I still get bug fixes and security updates on Monterey. It’s a 2016 Mac, but at 8 years old, it does basic things pretty well. I think an M3 or and M4 would be overkill for my needs. Probably a lot of people feel that way.
Im just waiting on a new Mac Studio. Was thinking about getting an M2, but since we're already into the middle of the year, I'll just wait for the next one wether its M3 or M4.
Check the TSMC "3nm" process issues for reason M3 dropped the way it did - then moving quickly to the M4 as Qualcomm is nipping at their perf+efficiency heels. If CPU creation was completely in a vacuum (no 3rd party reliance (TSMC), or 3rd party competition) you'd get more consistency.
Also, remember, YOU are likely not who they are trying to win over with an M4 early option, if you are happy with your M1, M2, or M3 - that's why many people go with Mac for long life and value, not needing to update every single year (but I'm sure Apple would love that if you did - minus the resell market).
Thought the M3 was the new thing with the 3 nanometer architecture. Just when i decided to get it the M4 reports are here with the biggest AI upgrade ever according to Gurman. One cannot truly enjoy a new piece of hardware anymore.
@@TailosiveTech not much difference. Same money for M2 max here in the UK. Decided on efficiency over performance with the M3 pro. Point being, people realistically started getting their M3 delivered beginning of 2024, the new Air came out literally last month. It puts you off as a consumer. At the end of the day the investors need to be satisfied and influencers need content. So here we are.
@@divinediploI’d argue its much better for consumers. It means no matter when you decide to upgrade you get the best of the best. And it means that a used device will always be relevant even if its only a year old, but it will still be significantly cheaper.
It doesn't cost them that much to upgrade the stuff, they keep the same boxes and everything, and they just give people a reason to buy, they get press out of it and there's an incremental increase for those who are hungry for it. I for one am quite thrilled with my M1 MacBook Pro.
as soon as i saw the thermal characteristics of the m1 studio I knew they had many iterations to go as it didnt even use the thermal cooling available.
Computers have never been something to upgrade every year. Majority buy them and keep them for years. Never seen someone upgrade their laptops every year like tech reviewers push people to do. Drew is one of the few that would slap your hand and just say M1 Refurbished and knock the card out of your hand.
ill upgrade when the M5 Pro macbook pros comes out in 2025, i. have M1 Pro 16in MBP and it is still good, thought battery health at 90% now but i bought it when it first came out. And i use it daily.
Upgrading from an i5 dual-core to an M1 Pro was a huge upgrade for me. I don’t know if my next upgrade will be as remotely Earth-shattering as that was; despite Apple’s uncanny ability to make everything seem as such.
There are quite a few places where apple can still "innovate" - put more RAM, 24GB should be a minimum for a 16" pro machine in the same price, as well as 1TB of storage. Cheap models should rid of 256GB option, 512 should be the minimum. Screen can be updated to a an OLED or give an option for OLED. Put in more batteries. Apple is a huge company, they can push for the regulations to change and allow for a larger battery capacity on planes. Delete the notch. Add Face ID to macbooks. Have AlDente-esq capabilities built in the MacOS. Update their office suite to finally in 30 years to match Macrosoft's. Increate base iCloud storage to at least 25GB for free. Make RAM and SSD swappable again. Make macbooks splash proof... at least so that they would not die from a sneeze amount of moisture. Make a macbook screen a touch one. - see how many improvements can be made even without touching the actual M4, M5 etc.
Still rocking my M1 Macbook Air. And still, it is up to par. Best laptop I ever bought. Bought it new over 2 years ago for 1099,- including tax. Will use it for another 10 months. That's 3 years! So, 30,- a month. (if I don't sell it, if I sell it, even cheaper than 30 a month) No laptop in the past has given me so much value for so little. Amazing battery life, great performance, perfect form-factor.
I have an M1 Mini and an M2 Pro Mini. I'm happy to upgrade, but I'm starting to get really sick of them not clearly explaining how the tiers overlap. I create audio and animation as part of my job, and I'm not feeling a noticeable performance bump going from M1 to M2 Pro. This probably means that I have reached a level where, unless the software I use increases their requirements, I have met my computing needs in terms of speed and capabilities. The short videos that are my bread and butter render so fast that I'm not sure that it needs to be any faster. So I hope the M4 is compelling for creatives.
I think that frequent, minor improvement releases are actually a good thing. Each year the people pulling the trigger on a new Mac can either cash in on some degree of annual improvements or get the discount on older models, and the expected next-year improvement is small enough to reduce FOMO on holding out. As opposed to the same models sitting at the same price for years as they age until suddenly a new big release and sucks to be the people who replaced their computer just before several years of advancements dropped all at once. The problem is that Apple feels the need to overhype each release as though they're reinventing the Mac every year.
If the M4 Pro isn’t relatively as powerful as the M1 Pro was in its line up I really see no reason to upgrade any time soon tbh. The way they handled the M3 Pro felt like a push to get people to buy M3 Max instead and adding any new variants early on feels like putting the Max in the place the Pro was before (for a higher price though, of course lol).
This trend is actually plaguing the entire industry, including software. Tech has become total hell. It is an update over an update over an update... Forced innovation is creating products that suck hard, while older versions worked just fine. In the software side of things, it is just a nightmare. Functionality is being thrown out of the window in the name of 'new features' that no one cares, while the legacy functions, that everyone uses, do not work anymore. Tech industry is headed for a high-speed crash.
Exactly. I get tired of Apple releasing a very buggy new version of iOS every year, then spending most of the next year fixing the bugs and making the current version actually run smoothly, only to scrap it and start the cycle over again with a “brand new” very buggy version of iOS. iOS in particular needs to follow the “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” mantra, and stick with what works well, regardless of whether it’s time to issue a new iPhone model or not. Keep the proven code, and only add features or make other changes when their benefit clearly exceeds the potential for new bugs that those changes inevitably bring. “Change” just for the sake of change has gotten tiresome.
M1 was a masterpiece. M1max here with 64GB Ram. Still a beast. Also I am not a fan of post Monterey system preferences. They didn't need to do that. And I think Sonoma also uses about 2gb more RAM when idling on average than Monterey. For music production which is what I do it is often just better to not live on the edge. Case in point is NI only a few weeks ago finally released a Sonoma compatible version of Kontakt finally. If you were making your living in Kontakt (lots of movie composers do) you were screwed on newer macs. M1 however was fine. Sadly this has always been the case in the music world. Updates are just, well slow. Far slower than Apple's anyway so you might be waiting for working tools which is just not acceptable. Only way around this is to hang back and work with more established OS versions.
M4 will probably feature an enhanced neural engine as well as preloaded model(s) in ROM (so it won't have to loaded into RAM). Hopefully they'll have the ability to flash updates from time to time.
It is because they need to move on to a more mature "3nm" process at tsmc. The current node is extremely expensive, which is why they won't roll it out to their whole platform.
obviously the chip refreshes has nothing to do with end-user demand. It's entirely to bring more $ in the door. It's just like the annual iphone refreshes. At least consumers have finally wised up on phones.
There is so much more computers can do that they don’t. If they get the AI right, you shouldnt have to hold a mouse. It could be a magic box that does work for you. Handles your emails, writes your letters, browses the web for you to get your content. Automates your apps. Names and sorts your files for you. Tells you what your schedule for the week is. A computerized assistant. That will take yet unheard of levels of speed and software. It will take years to get there. And they are just getting started in that revolution.
I upgraded from a 2017 iMac to a Studio M2 Ultra but to be honest, I have found it to be worse than the iMac. It bogs down if I use iMovie for too long, it's no faster converting using Gigapixel or Handbrake. Safari also hangs for minutes on end like it's not receiving a wifi signal even though a different browser on the same machine works fine. I've also had several crashes and issues restarting and programs doing weird stuff until I restart. In the 20 years previous to that I only every had 1 crash on previous iMacs.
What would make buying new (on Black Friday for a slight discount) worth it, is if M4 Pro MacBook Pro starts with 1TB storage, and even 24gb ram. That’s like $400 “free”. So I’d do that with the $150 off Black Friday deals I think I saw from Best Buy last year. They can’t possibly, 4 years and versions after M1.. continue with the same base 512gb storage. Going up just 2gb ram with M3 was a joke too.
I just want them to come out with the next Mac mini. Whatever it is. Then I want audio recording tests by music producers. Then I will decide which Mac mini to buy.
I have considered upgrading my M1 Max MacBook Pro 16 inch to a Studio just because of the additional ports. I already use 2 dongles and I wouldn’t mind being able to get rid of at least one.
Whats the GPU looking for the m4? Is it a real improvement over m3 or no point. Im trying to decide if i should get the next ipad pro or wait another year.
Its an IPad.. the M1 is already too much for that. The M2 is complete overkill, and the M3 will be a basically pointless upgrade from the Chip side. Sure there are rumors of an OLED screen, so If you‘re Interested in that, you can wait, but if you just want an Ipad and you can Live with the MiniLED in the current Ipad Pro, just go for that. The M3 won‘t really make a difference.
Recently got a M1 Pro 14in w/ 32gb ram and 1tb ssd on eBay for $1400. A few dings on a the lid, and battery health is at 90%, but otherwise I’m thrilled with the value. Replaced my 2013 iMac that hasn’t gotten software updates in years. Really interested to see what these “ai focused” apple chips will really offer… and how they’ll differ between the M and the A series chips…. cuz if I can get all the new ai features by getting the new phone (vs new Mac/ipad), then that’s what I’ll be doing.
If Apple is messing with the die sizing for the M4 chips it will make the performance numbers be interesting sure, but I’m interested to see the teardowns to see the physical chip size differences
I have the M3 max with 36gb ram and I'm happy as can be. If they plan on making the M4 Ai relevant they better load up on ram and move on from the lousy 8gb standard.
M4: + much better NPU (for AI) + thunderbolt 5 support (at least on Pro/Max/...) + more RAM support (especially for Max/Ultra/...) Otherwise probably not so much upgrades. Slightly higher clock rate.
My M2 MacBook Pro is fine, so I have no plans to upgrade it to a M4 or later model. In fact, the biggest problem I have with Apple is it software. The walled garden and lack of graphics standards etc, increasingly gets in the way of me doing stuff with my Apple devices that I want to do, and not what Apple thinks I should do. Even sideloading an iPad OS app on to your Apple Silicon Mac can be a painful process if not available via the Mac app store. These days, I am using Windows PCs more than my MacBook and Mac OS. I won't buy any new laptop unless it has a touch screen and stylus support, so that immediately rules out any new MacBook, and the M series large screen iPad Pro will never be a laptop replacement while it's crippled by iPad OS.
I actually would not have upgraded from a Mac Pro 3,1 to M1 Mac Mini if the gpu didn’t die on me. Sure yeah editing photos is really slow but having upgradable storage is just sooo nice.
we all know, October they drop the base M for MacMini/imac, then Q1 they release the M pro/max as well as new MacBooks… and WWDC they release the M Ulta for Mac Studio/Pro… rincé and repeat, October, Feb/march, WWDC…
Looking forward to the M3 Mac Mini only to find out it will be skipped for the M4 Mac Mini. The M3 iMac with 16GB of RAM is so powerful, it's often viewed as too powerful for the average user. Only weaknesses are the ports and mouse. A new Mac mini solves that issue with customized setup and better ports.
M1 family was just too good. That entire line is holding up so well, I don’t see most upgrading for another 5 years
Agreed
Can you play cyberpunk on it ? Like actually being able to play, not just run it at 5 fps?
No.
@@NunoFilipe99 like on any macbook
Agreed ❤
Lemme give you some life advice, people are stupid
Hi Drew, Love your videos, and you are so young :-). I am 65 and did a computer science degree back in 1976 so all modern computers are super fast to me. Back when I started in Aerospace computing, we thought all our problems would be solved once we got faster systems. My first systems were 1 MHz clock, had 4K EPROM and 256 Bytes RAM, and we did algorithms like 2D speed and altitude computation for helicopter air data systems.
So my take is these speed bumps are going to be needed, as you and me right now can’t imagine what can be done once you unlock more power. We haven’t reached stability yet, when computation is no longer the limit. Every time we had performance boost (like SPARC in 1989), we then did more, like interactive graphics you take for granted now.
When power starts to get close to the human mind, then stability :-)
Keep up the good work!
Good points. Apple’s plans for local AI for every day productivity with privacy will likely need the extra power.
completely agree, this is where we are with refresh rates already so imagine when tech catches up in all the other aspects
Apple needs to keep releasing new products yearly. Not because the 1-2 year old shoppers are tired of their Mac’s but it’s because the 8+ year old Mac owners are finally starting to think about upgrading.
I’m in Yr 3 with an M1 Pro MBP with no intention or need to upgrade for quite a few years still
I still recommend the M1 Air
@@hebestreitfan6973Never had an Air - it has one less TB/USB4 port than the MBP - I like having the extra port
@@techware1840 Air is super premium and a great laptop, but I'd prefer a pro. Problem is I don't have much of a use for a laptop most of the time, so I bought an m1 air some time ago. They're awesome. All m1 or later macbooks are just awesome.
@@techware1840 i think apple will kill software support for our M1 pro MBP in 2025 of 2026
Yearly chip upgrade is a good thing. It means older models go on sale earlier and anyone who decides to get a new computer can have more choice.
This was a big reason that Jobs talked about when he returned to Apple and introduced that "product square": so we can focus on fewer models and update them more frequently. We often saw 2 refreshes per year per Mac model after that.
How long should Mac customers need to wait for HDMI 8K support? Wifi 7? Thunderbolt 5? Hardware Ray Tracing? And so on... especially now with SoC and everything soldered. No chance to upgrade anything! Then Apple need to update their Macs frequently enough! It was another situation with PowerMac starting at around 1500 dollar many years ago, then you could add almost anything without the need to wait for 2-3 years for a new Mac that got that as standard.
I'm most disappointed about Mac Pro and a bit also about Mac Studio. I know that Apple wanna release a new Mac Studio with a new Ultra chip and we only got M3 Max. M3 Ultra is not yet ready or Apple wanna skip that and go for M4 Ultra? As a customer this situation is HORRIBLE. We don't wanna buy M2 Ultra when M3 Ultra should already exist and M4 is around the corner. Why, Apple?
Exactly. Nobody is forcing anyone to upgrade. That’s a person’s choice if they want to. They just have options out there in case you are upgrading due to just to have the latest model from last year, or your upgrading from 8 years ago.
Yeah, more e-waste for no reason...
3:57 this was a big reason why Apple switched over to their own CPU. Intel refresh rates for new processors never matched when Apple wanted to refresh their computer lineup.
Now it’s based on when TSMC is ready
No, you can change design without changing manufacturing process @@TailosiveTech
Exactly!
Apple switched from Intel to their own processor for the same reason they abandoned the IBM/Motorola built PowerPC (PPC) processor in favor of Intel. Intel failed to maintain it's tick-tock production model. Intel hit a process road block upon reaching the 14nm level & was stuck there for several years allowing competitors like TSMC, Samsung and even the AMD spun-off Global-Foundries to surpass them. Under this model there is a die shrink (tick) which delivers a power consumption & TDP reduction followed then by a microarchitecture change (tock) performance increase. Intel were delivering the tocks but the ticks (die shrink). As a result each successor generation released by Intel ran hotter than the prior. These misses placed Apple in a jam & largely responsible for the crap Macs sold after 2012 & 2013 until the M series SoCs came available. Apple had painted themselves into a corner when they designed their Macs & Macbook w/limited thermal management anticipating ticks cycles Intel failed to deliver on. By going w/small & thin form factor cases shoe-horning better thermal management was simply NOT an option.
M2 Pro getting less than a year of flagship status gave me iPad 3 flashbacks
AI features is just a marketing-scam term for us idiots at this point
It's a suped up Google search. That almost nobody really needs. I like playing around on it or using it to learn new skills in coding but that's about it
AI is like Aloe Vera. It's everywhere, but largely useless. AI may consume more RAM and resources. Will Apple put 16 GB of RAM into base model laptops?
Subject lift is an AI feature. Live text is an AI feature.
If they manage over time to create a version of Siri that can see what you are doing for coding for exemple and just ask it what you want and it helps you it might be interesting. But IA could also boost complex render time on different types of projects
@@katrinabryce Exactly! Live text is the best AI feature and I use it pretty often.
The M6 will use the MEGA-OPTOOLUS QUATRO TURBO LEVIATHAN CHIP!😮😮😮😮😅
That’s nothing, wait for M7 AWESOMOUS MAXIMUS REVOLUTHIAN CHIP
@@EverythingCameFromNothing wait did you forgot about M8 SUPER ULTRA LEVIATHAN INTENSE FURY HYPER QUADRO QUANTA EXPRESS EXTREME PRO ULTRA CHIP??
Bark Nuremberg says that single chip will be able to cater to whole world's computing power "just a single chip" powering every computer across the world via wired Apple express link interconnect and Apple exclusive Hyper ultra wireless connection
@@AdityaSingh-zb4ds you got me there 😂
and i cannot wait for it
M4 rapid release is probably influenced by LLMs and Apple's ambition for on-device LLM. I would expect they optimized their neural cores for LLM specific computations.
You're not going to see LLMs running on an SOC anytime soon. The NPU's are just matrix calculation accelerators good for DSP processing which at this point is almost entirely for voice synthesis and image processing
At best you'll be running something a bit more demanding than stable diffusion XL
@@JohnSmith-qt4pv I mean, they already do actually. Ever heard of GPT4All? I use it on my M2 Pro with 16GB of RAM, and their models are fast and precise. It's already here.
@@andreamichelezucchi8600 gpt4all is just the front-end/backend (koboldAI is what most people are using as their backed)
A heavily compressed 13B model at 4bit precision is impressive for what can be squeezed into a 16GB memory budget but it's a very far cry from an uncompressed 70B LLM at full precision.
But you also need lots of memory. Not sure how AI on a machine with 8GB makes sense. But Apple surely will find fancy marketing words to explain it away.
@@haderlumpi Well, they will simply tell people that their M4 can do AI very well, and simply not mention that you have to add $1000 on top of the already high price to get enough memory. Most people fall for it every new release anyway.
1:05 i was wondering how long the skit was going to last. I loved every moment of it lol
Oh please. They're just trying to stay competitive with the market. If they weren't upgrading this fast you'd be whining about how they're not keeping up.
When Apple releases Mac M4 lineup, many Mac users will SCREAM for the fastest and furiousest M4 EXTREME Macs to kill their MOST time-consuming tasks.
Yeah, so they could use it to read mails and browse the internet! Just imagine!!
One thing that's good about this fast paced performance buffing is that the base models will be more and more capable and we'll soon have old devices that are very cheap and affordable yet has plenty of performance for their usage... I mean it can gain some market share for apple as windows machines are mainly used because they're the only cheap options. So now that there will be cheap Macs with much better quality and performance, in my book its a good thing for the world.
Normal people dont buy a new laptop every year. But the companies make new models every year so that the guy who hasn't upgraded in like 5 years can go upgrade. An M4 MacBook Pro would be a big upgrade for someone still running an Intel Mac from like 2018 or whatever.
Exactly right, no one realistically expects people to upgrade year on year, it's the cumulative upgrades that make a new computer appealing after 5 years+.
@@raymonddsouza8948 yea super annoying that the tech RUclipsrs keep pushing this narrative just because THEY are on the cutting edge and experiencing every new version of a product. Some of these guys just need to take a step back and look at the big picture
I mean the one thing at this point for me is sufficient compute power for neural network training that rivals a full fledged nvidia GPU. The unified memory system is great for being able to hold a NN in memory for alot of instances but the speed hasn't been shown at least in videos of people comparing them to be equal. I haven't been able to really benchmark a highend mac studio for example, for my specific use cases though so it might already be close enough
I was so ready for a Dragon Ball Z reference in that skit at the beginning. Like Goku and his speech about going even further beyond to Super Saiyan 3 lol
AI on the machine, not in cloud. M4
Problem is that those LLMs need big amounts of memory. Which is not really Apple‘s biggest strength. 8GB will be even more of a problem if Apple really wants to go the AI route.
Imagine if apple started upping their phone chips even more and allowed booting into a desktop os on iPhone and iPad through an adapter. So like iOS/Mac OS hybrid like with Samsung and their desktop
Still on my M1 and still going strong.
You finally managed to make your video looking actually good again, like you had years ago already… what happened? XD
Ordered a used entry level 14 inch M3 (yes I know the chip that’s supposed to be way different from the m2) to replace my 13 inch OG M1 from 2020. I think the display and maybe the chip speakers webcam upgrade etc will be worth it to me.
The Mac Pro chassis has a lot of "thermal headroom" for future pro-oriented chips which will undoubtedly generate even more heat.
i hope they fixed the hardware vulnerability issue with the early m series in the new m4 range..
I don’t even have an M-series Mac, yet, and I’m debating whether or not I want to buy a closeout M2 Pro MBP, a new M3 Pro MBP, or a used M1 Pro MBP.
Get yourself the M2 Pro MBP, as maxed as you can manage. I chose the M3 Pro and it’s barely any different from my GF’s M2 Pro.
Not sure why we need these advanced processors coming out in such a short time. I have an M2 iPad Pro 12.9. It’s WAY more than what I need, especially for the relatively simple OS for it.
I think the main reason Apple is rushing is the upcoming Qualcomm Elite X, with just the M2 Line Up, it would look really good against the M2, Apple fixed this with the surprising Intro of the M3, also the Npu of M3 is still 2-3 times slower than the current Qualcomm Elite X, which will be fixed with M4, also wih M4 the come to a much cheaper Node 3 processing.
I'm still using M1 Max with 32 GB of ram. Only real reason I'm looking to upgrade potentially with m4 is I need more RAM and the increased multi core power will be great and significant GPU power from m1 max. I would really like to see some improvements to the chassis since it's been several years now, even subtle ones like adding FaceID since there is a notch there since day.
I'm curious, why do you need more RAM?
wtf? 32gb of ram is not enough? Are you watching 8k porn or what? 😂
@@PeterKoperdan I do some software development that requires many docker containers + many active instances of IDE's running a gang of micro services. Add some safari tabs + simulators and a few other programs and my laptop is utilizing swap bc 32gb isn't enough. I'm thinking 64 will be enough for me.
Unfortunately, I do not feel the need to upgrade. I got the redesigned 14” MBP and it works great at most things. I want to get a new MBP to try out the new chips, but there just isn’t a big enough incentive to do so.
Had not gotten your page as a suggesten in my feed for a very very long time.
So glad that this one popped back up again. Hopefully I'll get more of it now.
I am still rocking my MBP 2013 15". I was about to upgrade to the M3 MBP but ended up not doing so.
Like you pointed out, I'll probably wait for M4, and if they don't create a pink Elephant flying through a maze then I'll try to go with an older M3 that is discounted.
3:50 On one hand maybe they like the unpredictability, on the other hand, maybe designing the computers and the chip architecture + figuring out manufacturing and testing is really challenging, so they just release it once they know the product meets their standards. Plus releasing new chips keeps their name fresh in the minds of consumers.
Juat bought an M1 Macbook AIr from walmart for $699. It is wonderful and I am enjoying everything the M1 has to offer. It is still very good! Exactly what I needed to replace my mid 2019 macbook pro with an intel chip. It is miles better in every way and no fans! Anyone who got an M1 device on release made out like bandits!
Sweet deal!
2:55 it actually feels… scary fast.
I think the objective is instant everything. Zero wait time.
M3 was always due to be short lived. It was built using the TSMC N3B node - which while good, is pretty problamatic. It has higher costs than expected. It has worse yields than expected.
TSMC wants customers moving over and using the N3E node.
Speed wasnt the main reason for changing nodes: yields were. Id be surprised if we even see M3 Ultra for that reason
(Also M3 couldnt support tandem OLED displays)
i'm so excited for the extreme chips coming out
They gonna be crazy powerful
There is the chip design and the process to consider here. M3 is on a dead end process, a hack to deal with manufacturing issues. Apple can’t invest more design time on the M3 family as they can’t move it to newer processes. So if they want new chip features (and they do need it for the desktops) they have to jump to new designs for M4 on the process that the M3 was supposed to be on. This is the price for not delaying M3 and A17. So they kept the M3 line up closer to the A17 to get 3nm into phone and some 3nm benefit in M3, but doing most of the large design roadmapped changes in M4 so they can reuse the work on the next process variants. Very sensible IMO
Then don’t release the N3B based M3 in the first place
Pisses me off as I'm in the market for an M3 Mac Mini now.
I think its quite valid for Apple to compare their new lines to 5 year old lines - Like everyone I know I'm updating Macs on a 5-8 year cycle. Though I have 3, so I get a new one every 2-3 years.
So from my understanding, most of the lineup won't get m3 since they had just switched to a 3nm process which had some limitations, with the m4 the process is ready to hit mainstream
Everyone's just going nuts over M4 trying to figure out what's the point of it in a Mac... forgetting that Apple makes these chips not only for Macs but for other products as well. They're working towards robots now, so this journey towards extreme TOPS for AI compute is necessary to achieve that ultimate goal. In the mean time, the M4 will end up in iPad, Vision Pro and even new first gen robots that they are developing.
Your comment just reminded me about the vision pro... that seems to be dead, don't see much about them now the hype has gone.
Neural chip so strong, when you open Chat GPT it asked the human philosophical questions
The Computing sector will take losses due to the business model of renting software. Not everyone can afford the software anymore. And that will make it obsolete to buy the productivity hardware.
Apple literally can't do an M3 Ultra except from the ground up cause the M3 Max doesn't have an UltraFusion connection on the die, so it literally makes the most sense to start with the M4 Ultra on the new process node and work down from there to the M4 later in the year. Plus they're not going to put chips on an old node in a computer that's supposed to last longer like the Studio or Pro.
8:04 what they can do which is different from the rest of the AI is authorize their digital assistant with the authority to do things on your behalf. Maybe other AI can answer questions for you and do so things for you in maybe some google products, but not to the extent that an apple ai can do within the apple ecosystem.
ChatGPT can't really do anything except answer questions and make text/image content iirc. It doesn't have the authority to do stuff for you
Honestly id just rather they release macbooks in august/september-right in time for students going back to school. Then desktop macs in December or January. Most ppl want macbooks but obviously certain workflows are better on desktop.
But this leapfrog effect of only certain m4 macs at this time, then spring or summer of next yr for the other m4 entry macs. But inbetween time the m4pro/max comes out. Studio skips a gen, mac mini entry vs mac mini with pro chip-all of this is unnecessary.
All the power in them is suuuuper sufficient for the masses, and waiting a yr between each would be perfectly fine
Apple doesn’t expect you to upgrade computers each year, they want to make it easy for someone to upgrade as soon as they decide to. Most people stick with a computer for ~5 years, so customers know they can buy an Apple computer as soon as they are done with their current one. Yearly upgrades are good, it gives more options and reduces the cost of older models.
And yes, the cheese grater either needs to be replaced or removed. It’s so stupidly expensive to be beat out by Mac Minis
I’ve still got an Intel Mac, and it works fine. Mostly, I use my 4 year old iPad Pro, and my iPhone 15. I can’t keep everything current, so I leap frog one device at a time. The Mac is getting a bit dated, but I still get bug fixes and security updates on Monterey. It’s a 2016 Mac, but at 8 years old, it does basic things pretty well. I think an M3 or and M4 would be overkill for my needs. Probably a lot of people feel that way.
I'm just glad people are keeping their devices longer these days.
Im just waiting on a new Mac Studio. Was thinking about getting an M2, but since we're already into the middle of the year, I'll just wait for the next one wether its M3 or M4.
Check the TSMC "3nm" process issues for reason M3 dropped the way it did - then moving quickly to the M4 as Qualcomm is nipping at their perf+efficiency heels. If CPU creation was completely in a vacuum (no 3rd party reliance (TSMC), or 3rd party competition) you'd get more consistency.
Also, remember, YOU are likely not who they are trying to win over with an M4 early option, if you are happy with your M1, M2, or M3 - that's why many people go with Mac for long life and value, not needing to update every single year (but I'm sure Apple would love that if you did - minus the resell market).
Thought the M3 was the new thing with the 3 nanometer architecture. Just when i decided to get it the M4 reports are here with the biggest AI upgrade ever according to Gurman. One cannot truly enjoy a new piece of hardware anymore.
Hence why I advice buy used and refurbished. Just save your money, if you want the latest and greatest, you’ll never be satisfied
@@TailosiveTech not much difference. Same money for M2 max here in the UK. Decided on efficiency over performance with the M3 pro. Point being, people realistically started getting their M3 delivered beginning of 2024, the new Air came out literally last month. It puts you off as a consumer. At the end of the day the investors need to be satisfied and influencers need content. So here we are.
@@divinediploI’d argue its much better for consumers. It means no matter when you decide to upgrade you get the best of the best. And it means that a used device will always be relevant even if its only a year old, but it will still be significantly cheaper.
It doesn't cost them that much to upgrade the stuff, they keep the same boxes and everything, and they just give people a reason to buy, they get press out of it and there's an incremental increase for those who are hungry for it. I for one am quite thrilled with my M1 MacBook Pro.
as soon as i saw the thermal characteristics of the m1 studio I knew they had many iterations to go as it didnt even use the thermal cooling available.
Computers have never been something to upgrade every year. Majority buy them and keep them for years. Never seen someone upgrade their laptops every year like tech reviewers push people to do. Drew is one of the few that would slap your hand and just say M1 Refurbished and knock the card out of your hand.
Hello,
is Legacy patcher usable on Apple Silicon?
Why would you use patcher on M series when all of them are supported for the next 10 years?
The Bootloader on Apple Silicon isn’t locked down. You can boot Linux.
ill upgrade when the M5 Pro macbook pros comes out in 2025, i. have M1 Pro 16in MBP and it is still good, thought battery health at 90% now but i bought it when it first came out. And i use it daily.
Upgrading from an i5 dual-core to an M1 Pro was a huge upgrade for me. I don’t know if my next upgrade will be as remotely Earth-shattering as that was; despite Apple’s uncanny ability to make everything seem as such.
There are quite a few places where apple can still "innovate" - put more RAM, 24GB should be a minimum for a 16" pro machine in the same price, as well as 1TB of storage. Cheap models should rid of 256GB option, 512 should be the minimum. Screen can be updated to a an OLED or give an option for OLED. Put in more batteries. Apple is a huge company, they can push for the regulations to change and allow for a larger battery capacity on planes. Delete the notch. Add Face ID to macbooks. Have AlDente-esq capabilities built in the MacOS. Update their office suite to finally in 30 years to match Macrosoft's. Increate base iCloud storage to at least 25GB for free. Make RAM and SSD swappable again. Make macbooks splash proof... at least so that they would not die from a sneeze amount of moisture. Make a macbook screen a touch one. - see how many improvements can be made even without touching the actual M4, M5 etc.
But why bother with all this work if they already are making the most money from all tech companies by far? People are buying what Apple is selling.
I hope they update all macs in one go. I don’t want to wait for Mac Studio for another 18 months …
Still rocking my M1 Macbook Air. And still, it is up to par. Best laptop I ever bought. Bought it new over 2 years ago for 1099,- including tax. Will use it for another 10 months. That's 3 years! So, 30,- a month. (if I don't sell it, if I sell it, even cheaper than 30 a month) No laptop in the past has given me so much value for so little. Amazing battery life, great performance, perfect form-factor.
I have an M1 Mini and an M2 Pro Mini. I'm happy to upgrade, but I'm starting to get really sick of them not clearly explaining how the tiers overlap. I create audio and animation as part of my job, and I'm not feeling a noticeable performance bump going from M1 to M2 Pro. This probably means that I have reached a level where, unless the software I use increases their requirements, I have met my computing needs in terms of speed and capabilities. The short videos that are my bread and butter render so fast that I'm not sure that it needs to be any faster. So I hope the M4 is compelling for creatives.
I think that frequent, minor improvement releases are actually a good thing. Each year the people pulling the trigger on a new Mac can either cash in on some degree of annual improvements or get the discount on older models, and the expected next-year improvement is small enough to reduce FOMO on holding out. As opposed to the same models sitting at the same price for years as they age until suddenly a new big release and sucks to be the people who replaced their computer just before several years of advancements dropped all at once.
The problem is that Apple feels the need to overhype each release as though they're reinventing the Mac every year.
This guy has balls, only tech youtuber worth watching
If the M4 Pro isn’t relatively as powerful as the M1 Pro was in its line up I really see no reason to upgrade any time soon tbh. The way they handled the M3 Pro felt like a push to get people to buy M3 Max instead and adding any new variants early on feels like putting the Max in the place the Pro was before (for a higher price though, of course lol).
This trend is actually plaguing the entire industry, including software. Tech has become total hell. It is an update over an update over an update... Forced innovation is creating products that suck hard, while older versions worked just fine. In the software side of things, it is just a nightmare. Functionality is being thrown out of the window in the name of 'new features' that no one cares, while the legacy functions, that everyone uses, do not work anymore. Tech industry is headed for a high-speed crash.
Exactly. I get tired of Apple releasing a very buggy new version of iOS every year, then spending most of the next year fixing the bugs and making the current version actually run smoothly, only to scrap it and start the cycle over again with a “brand new” very buggy version of iOS. iOS in particular needs to follow the “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” mantra, and stick with what works well, regardless of whether it’s time to issue a new iPhone model or not. Keep the proven code, and only add features or make other changes when their benefit clearly exceeds the potential for new bugs that those changes inevitably bring. “Change” just for the sake of change has gotten tiresome.
What about the shareholders tho?
They want to make software updates only work on the new shiz so you are forced to update.
M1 was a masterpiece. M1max here with 64GB Ram. Still a beast. Also I am not a fan of post Monterey system preferences. They didn't need to do that. And I think Sonoma also uses about 2gb more RAM when idling on average than Monterey. For music production which is what I do it is often just better to not live on the edge. Case in point is NI only a few weeks ago finally released a Sonoma compatible version of Kontakt finally. If you were making your living in Kontakt (lots of movie composers do) you were screwed on newer macs. M1 however was fine. Sadly this has always been the case in the music world. Updates are just, well slow. Far slower than Apple's anyway so you might be waiting for working tools which is just not acceptable. Only way around this is to hang back and work with more established OS versions.
M4 will probably feature an enhanced neural engine as well as preloaded model(s) in ROM (so it won't have to loaded into RAM).
Hopefully they'll have the ability to flash updates from time to time.
im using an m1 pro since 2021 i just started thinking of getting the m3 but the m1 is so good i dont even need it
Will the security problems be sorted on the M4?
Apple has 3nm CPUs. Are 2 nm CPUs next? Then 1nm? Then 0?
It is because they need to move on to a more mature "3nm" process at tsmc. The current node is extremely expensive, which is why they won't roll it out to their whole platform.
I think that what they are really doing is integrating AI in all of the M4 lineup. That is the main reason they are skipping the m3 altogether
obviously the chip refreshes has nothing to do with end-user demand. It's entirely to bring more $ in the door. It's just like the annual iphone refreshes. At least consumers have finally wised up on phones.
There is so much more computers can do that they don’t. If they get the AI right, you shouldnt have to hold a mouse. It could be a magic box that does work for you. Handles your emails, writes your letters, browses the web for you to get your content. Automates your apps. Names and sorts your files for you. Tells you what your schedule for the week is. A computerized assistant. That will take yet unheard of levels of speed and software. It will take years to get there. And they are just getting started in that revolution.
Mi6 Max chip will be the one to wait for.
I think it's a process change thing, as m3 was done on a dead end TSMC process
is it me or ai performance optimizer and task cleaner would be a good use of ai in my _personal_ computer but for some reason, it's still not a thing?
I love my Mac Mini M1. I only wish I could have bought more ram.
My m1 mac is so good haha
The battery is incredible even today.
I upgraded from a 2017 iMac to a Studio M2 Ultra but to be honest, I have found it to be worse than the iMac. It bogs down if I use iMovie for too long, it's no faster converting using Gigapixel or Handbrake. Safari also hangs for minutes on end like it's not receiving a wifi signal even though a different browser on the same machine works fine. I've also had several crashes and issues restarting and programs doing weird stuff until I restart. In the 20 years previous to that I only every had 1 crash on previous iMacs.
What would make buying new (on Black Friday for a slight discount) worth it, is if M4 Pro MacBook Pro starts with 1TB storage, and even 24gb ram. That’s like $400 “free”. So I’d do that with the $150 off Black Friday deals I think I saw from Best Buy last year. They can’t possibly, 4 years and versions after M1.. continue with the same base 512gb storage. Going up just 2gb ram with M3 was a joke too.
I just want them to come out with the next Mac mini. Whatever it is. Then I want audio recording tests by music producers. Then I will decide which Mac mini to buy.
I have considered upgrading my M1 Max MacBook Pro 16 inch to a Studio just because of the additional ports. I already use 2 dongles and I wouldn’t mind being able to get rid of at least one.
Thank you
Whats the GPU looking for the m4? Is it a real improvement over m3 or no point.
Im trying to decide if i should get the next ipad pro or wait another year.
Its an IPad.. the M1 is already too much for that. The M2 is complete overkill, and the M3 will be a basically pointless upgrade from the Chip side.
Sure there are rumors of an OLED screen, so If you‘re Interested in that, you can wait, but if you just want an Ipad and you can Live with the MiniLED in the current Ipad Pro, just go for that. The M3 won‘t really make a difference.
Sell them with more RAM and SSD at base price
Recently got a M1 Pro 14in w/ 32gb ram and 1tb ssd on eBay for $1400. A few dings on a the lid, and battery health is at 90%, but otherwise I’m thrilled with the value. Replaced my 2013 iMac that hasn’t gotten software updates in years.
Really interested to see what these “ai focused” apple chips will really offer… and how they’ll differ between the M and the A series chips…. cuz if I can get all the new ai features by getting the new phone (vs new Mac/ipad), then that’s what I’ll be doing.
I love the new m4 ... Im buying on Budget the m1 because this.
Wait for the M Sixxxx x x x ! This will be the ultimative and fastest Ship
If Apple is messing with the die sizing for the M4 chips it will make the performance numbers be interesting sure, but I’m interested to see the teardowns to see the physical chip size differences
still rocking my m1 pro! such a great device. waiting for apple to take gaming a bit more serious to upgrade.
I have the M3 max with 36gb ram and I'm happy as can be. If they plan on making the M4 Ai relevant they better load up on ram and move on from the lousy 8gb standard.
M4:
+ much better NPU (for AI)
+ thunderbolt 5 support (at least on Pro/Max/...)
+ more RAM support (especially for Max/Ultra/...)
Otherwise probably not so much upgrades. Slightly higher clock rate.
My M2 MacBook Pro is fine, so I have no plans to upgrade it to a M4 or later model. In fact, the biggest problem I have with Apple is it software. The walled garden and lack of graphics standards etc, increasingly gets in the way of me doing stuff with my Apple devices that I want to do, and not what Apple thinks I should do. Even sideloading an iPad OS app on to your Apple Silicon Mac can be a painful process if not available via the Mac app store. These days, I am using Windows PCs more than my MacBook and Mac OS. I won't buy any new laptop unless it has a touch screen and stylus support, so that immediately rules out any new MacBook, and the M series large screen iPad Pro will never be a laptop replacement while it's crippled by iPad OS.
I actually would not have upgraded from a Mac Pro 3,1 to M1 Mac Mini if the gpu didn’t die on me. Sure yeah editing photos is really slow but having upgradable storage is just sooo nice.
I mean, is the mac and MacBook really any different to any other laptop lineup?
What about the M4 ultra max pro extreme!?!
we all know, October they drop the base M for MacMini/imac, then Q1 they release the M pro/max as well as new MacBooks… and WWDC they release the M Ulta for Mac Studio/Pro… rincé and repeat, October, Feb/march, WWDC…
Looking forward to the M3 Mac Mini only to find out it will be skipped for the M4 Mac Mini. The M3 iMac with 16GB of RAM is so powerful, it's often viewed as too powerful for the average user. Only weaknesses are the ports and mouse. A new Mac mini solves that issue with customized setup and better ports.