The Intersectional Crackup with Douglas Murray (Ep.20)
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- Опубликовано: 15 дек 2020
- Today's guest is Douglas Murray. Douglas is a best-selling author, journalist, and political commentator. He's also an associate editor at the British magazine, The Spectator.
Douglas and I had a wide-ranging conversation about the rise of intersectionality and its consequences for society as a whole. I really enjoyed this one and I hope you do too.
Please note, during the first 2 minutes of the episode, there is a slight audio glitch.
Recording date : 08th of October
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Really enjoyed this episode. One of the most requested guests this year! Enjoy!
Have you released any public statements about your music? I was really upset when it disappeared from Spotify.
Thanks Coleman, this is soul-healing.
Brilliant conversation
This felt more like a relaxing chin wag among friends that the usual take-on-the-world hardcore intellectual debate. More tea anyone?
This video went by too quickly. So nice to listen to smart, rational people discussing issues and letting me know that I haven't lost my mind in this new world of insanity.
A black man and a gay man walk into a room ... and have an absolutely fascinating conversation that has nothing to do with being black or gay.
How all interactions should be.
Fresh Air!
@keith,
By mentioning these things you're part of the problem.
@@donaldobama7204 And were until recently!
As a black guy, I loved the conversation. This is what happens when we're honest about making the world a better place.
I love Murray’s fairness, and honesty, “If you aren’t supposed to be ashamed of [something] then you shouldn’t be proud of it either.” This is another example of the idea of over-correcting an error that has been made for some length of time in our history.
Murray's creativity is really superb
"They write atrociously, because they think atrociously."
-Douglas Murray on CRT writers.
Damn.
Truth!
I ❤ Douglas Murray
Any CRT writer > Douglas Murray
@@CVLFMG Umm no. Douglas Murray > any CRT writer
I love Douglas Murray but his writing is not my favorite
Emotionally, intellectually and historically illiterate
"They are setting up a game that is arranged for their own intellectual comfort" PERFECT ANALYSIS, Douglas!
And by the way, anyone who states that they cannot explain a concept that they want people to accept should immediately be discredited. (Kendi)
Douglas' quote got me also..
When someone says they want to “unpack” an idea, that’s a red flag. It often means they are going to unload a bunch of hooey to try to make sense of the nonsensical.
@@TheAnniegoo I usually find it an indicator that the person is putting some thought behind the idea put forward, which tells me they rely on evidence to at least a degree. This then suggests that they can change their mind if what they consiquently unpack is shown to be flawed. What has happened to make you see it as a red flag? I find this process of analysis to be a good one.
When Douglas leaves the room I'm always like "COME BACK I WANT TO HEAR MORE!"
Masochist
Intelligent human conversation. Nothing to beat it.
Yet coleman coted for biden, just to continue the intersectionality he hates so much LOL
@@terrythetuffkunt9215 To be fair, the other option was Trump.
I don't know why, but I love the cadence of Douglas Murray's voice. It's as if he's treating everything he's saying like it's poetry.
He comes from a privileged background.
People like him always have a pleasant demeanor.
It's breeding.
The Simon Cowell of Philosophy!
THANK YOU for talking about "good" & "bad" writing. I am an high school art teacher and I can tell you that so many students at the high school level have difficulty constructing a clear and understandable SENTENCE, let alone a clear and understandable paragraph or essay. And what horrifies me is that there are actually educators who are calling for teachers to stop correcting students' grammar, vocabulary, spelling and punctuation in their written work. My obvious question is, how will students learn to write in order to be understood if teachers do not correct student writing???
I ran into this ridiculousness as a writing tutor at the university level. The directors of our writing center instructed us to be "gentle" in our corrections and frame them more as suggestions than factual corrections. It was infuriating. But a doctoral student privately hired me as his tutor for three years because he appreciated by direct manner in correcting his grammar.
@@AspasiaB * "by direct manner" should be "my direct manner"? ;-)
Amen to that! ( "an high school teacher" should be "a high school teacher" :-D )
@@machtnichtsseimann Yes it should. I'm usually better at catching autocorrect before I hit enter.
@@AspasiaB ( My friends get annoyed when I go Spelling/Grammar Nazi on their @ss. I was just poking you in good fun. I've lashed my back 1000 times with a wet noodle when after-the-fact I saw my post had errors. )
2 of the best out. The Madness of Crowds is essential reading to understand what is happening presently in the world
Totally agree. The strange death of Europe as well. The madness of crowds is more significant at the moment ,but the subject of SDoE is also still very much relevant.
The last
@@keitharrowsmith3682 what
Never disagreed with a single word Douglas has written or uttered. His books identify the attack on free thinking by the woke fraternity and islamisation and its repression of individual freedom . He offers little in the way of solutions his suggestion of “running a mile” from wokery does not deal with the infiltration and protecting Christendom by another battle of Vienna is not an optiom. I like to hear his thought on the rise of China
Two of my favorites on one podcast. This is gonna be good. Regards a listener in cold Norway.
Samme her.
Can't wait to hear this one. Greetings from a somewhat less cold part of Canada.
@@aaoppe artig å støte på en annen nordmann 😊 dette blir bra
Norge!!
Same here. From Faroe Islands (Færøerne) ☺️
Thank you for recommending Ground News, I think this is EXACTLY what the world needs
Wonderful conversation. I lean left politically but have deep respect for Douglas Murray's thinking.
@Dusk Hollow I've always called & considered myself conservative, but I also always thought the core of conservatism was common sense. Unfortunately, all of these terms have varying meanings to different people. I've come to the conclusion that the best thing to do is to dispense with such terms, which are meant to convey much more meaning than the bare words, themselves, & simply deal in issues, whether we agree that an issue is actually an issue, how big an issue it is, & how we might solve it. When the terms we use don't mean the same things to us, such as "conservative" & "common sense," perhaps we should set them aside. They've lost their usefulness, maybe. The alternative is to agree upon definitions for them.
Im center left but traditional not posmodern. I love Murray
@@bnjmnwst I really like this comment. I think that this is exactly what needs to happen to make any progress in anything. As long as people blindly identify these terms they automatically keep themselves from meeting in the middle to do anything constructive. It’s the whole I’m over here and you’re over there and there is no middle ground.
One of the best, most interesting interviews with Douglas Murray. Coleman's calm manner perfectly suits this type of deep and thoughtful discussion
Douglas Murray articulates very clearly, the problems of the current “social justice” climate in The Madness of Crowds.
If nothing else, a conversation like this helps you see and assimilate how complex thought can be articulated and expanded. Not in 90 second bubble-headed segments on establishment media, but here in the plane of long form human discourse. Bravo!
Sometimes I think the art of conversation is lost today.
So glad to hear your comment about buddhism understanding that more is not better and Mr Murray's quoting St Paul's conflict with self and actions. Ancient wisdom needs continued emphasis! Thank you both!
"Progress that ends with the brilliant arrival of you". Priceless. And it's an attitude that I think really gained sway with my baby boomer generation, and has now reached a toxic stage.
I wish guys like Coleman and loury could get real national tv time
This kind of thing is the new primetime.
Why? Coleman voted for biden. Coleman voted for BLM. He is a joke.
@@terrythetuffkunt9215 agreed , changed my thoughts on Coleman a bit ,, he has tds
The ending was superb. Two men that just had an honest conversation and in mutual respect for each other saying good bye. It`s these little moments that I witness, and as they stand out I feel hope for our culture.
This conversation is a flare on the path. Thank you!
I love you guys! For real. I am so, so grateful for your work.
Dougie sure is tight-lipped about his bicep routine...
No routine. Just the testosterone of a real man
Red meat and crunches... AND CUT SOY OUT OF YOUR DIET!
@@calstonjew soy delicious. Soy is love, soy is life.🥛
@@abdimojo8794 ghey
@@calstonjew Even the sauce?
I simply adore Douglas Murray. Imho he certainly has found his calling in the world. And his dry humour is marvellous. Thank you, a most enjoyable interview!
The noise gate threshold is way too high. Voices cut out too quickly at the end of statements and too slow to open when talking starts. Especially with a guest who uses space in his speaking, when he pauses it sounds like he's done talking.
Is that a style? I think Sam Harris' podcast is a bit like that, too (or used to be). Maybe he needs to hire a pro to fix it, or is it to fix any white noise issues from the background, so he has to mess around with the settings to just pick up the voices (which would indicate that he needs better soundproofing or something)?
Give people an amazing conversation and they will still complain about the audio clipping short a few times. Please, there is so much positive here. Let that be the focus.
It's actually pretty bad... It becomes work after a while, trying to figure out how he's ending sentences or using in-between words :-/
Installed the app in first two minutes. I have been looking for something that brings balance. Thanks for the advice
Douglas Murray is a gift! Thanks for this excellent conversation!
Excellent conversation. Would happily pay for more !
Thank you for the Ground News tip! I am starved for real unbiased news!
Fascinating conversation, many thanks. The quote from Paul around 51:00 is from Romans 7. It is worth pointing out that Christians are listening to both of you. Indeed Douglas's comments about the church in the UK have been sobering, accurate and prophetic in equal measure.
Yes, Douglas grew up in the CofE (I am new to the Anglican Church in thebUS -ACNA) but found it less than satisfying as the priests and bishops sounded like they didn’t believe what they were espousing. Too bad he was part of the Church that had lost its way. 😐
“Why would I read a critical race theory book when I could be reading Rilke?” That’s it in a sentence.
Yes !! I’ve been waiting for this forever. Coleman and Douglas teased this on Twitter and Instagram over a month ago...
Great conversation Coleman...I'm recommending you to many people...your thinking is clear, honest and open...greetings from Ireland
Brilliant interview. Insightful and inspiring.
Thank you. I needed this and didn't even know it.
Best interview of 2020! My 2 favourite thinkers 🙌🏻💙🥰🤩
I am impressed that these two scholars speak so respectfully and patiently about people and ideas that disgust me. I think that's the best lesson of the whole conversation. My respect and thanks to Coleman and Douglas.
That was about 2 hours too short. Fantastic Coleman thankyou so much.
I have so looked forward to this!
Two of my absolute favourites.
Thank you both ever so much ✨
What a stimulating conversation! One of your best. I was disappointed when it ended
Excited to listen to this episode!
It means so much to hear conversations like this. Really appreciate both of you.
The first sponsor I'm excited about! What a brilliant idea, been thinking that something like this should exist for a while now. Fantastic!!
Two of the best. I have been listening to a lot of DM lately, but somehow this conversation brought out new depth. Thank you.
So encouraged by this conversation. Thanks so much to you both, gentlemen. Keep fighting the good fight. Cheers!
I really needed this conversation. Thank you.
Really looking forward to this. Just in time for my christmas holiday, no less.
Love both of you guys. Thanks for a great episode, Coleman.
Two of my heroes smashing brains together, outstanding.
Thanks so much for organising this Coleman. Happy Christmas too from out here on the net.
To you as well...
Great conversation! Two of the best, together at last. Wonderful!
I like how coleman is humble in this talk,its a good sign👍👍😁
In the precence of Murray
What a wonderful discussion, thank you both so very much. Please be safe and take care.
Outstanding. Thank you both for this.
Thank you for this conversation Mr. Hughes. I appreciate your work.
Mr. Murray impresses as usual.
This has been in my watch later for so long, I'm glad that I've watched it.
Also downloaded Ground News.
Thank you, I really enjoyed this conversation.
Always erudite and thoughtful. Thank you for offering moderate careful conversations.
Dial down the threshold on the noise gate Doug, you're dropping out in the quiet bits.
It's Driving my nuts!
@@hopefully2alpha that’s too much information!
@@MrAristaeus haha! Well, Douglas has been working out...
I had to stop watching. Sound failure
I don't think Doug had anything to do with it. It's bad sound editing.
Absolutely love both these guys, this should be great. Also ground news looks brilliant.
is there a slightly over-zealous noise gate on Douglas' vocal?...
Sounds choppy on coleman too but yes you're completely right
Correct
Yes. It’s tiring on the ears
The sound does improve as it goes on
Yes. He should reupload.
Thank you Coleman for this thought provoking conversation.
Love the idea behind the Ground News app, have downloaded. Hope it works as shown.
Fantastic; could we ask for more.
Where part 2 let's get it done Coleman
@@alecchapin9071 Seems like we can, I'm down with it XD
This is the most thoughtful and successful of Murray's interviews/discussions I have listened to, to date. Our current cultural impasse stems from a particular crisis in liberal capitalist culture, to some extent spurred by an intentional, neocon misreading of Fukayama's observations on 'the end of history' and partially from the same political misreading of Ferayerbend's observation, 'anything goes'. These wilful misreadings serve the naturalisation of a globalised, so called 'free market' very neatly. Commensurate with this politically motivated reduction of the necessary and inevitable, epistemological juncture of a 'postmodern deconstruction' to a relativistic re-inscription of binary terms, the so called 'woke' generation have rather lazily, filled the vacuum in stable notions of (religious, ideological, nationalistic) identity, with their own intentional misreading and reduction of the idea of 'intersectionality' (c.f Crenshaw - before Butler) and in so doing have set up a chimera - all display and bluster - that has set the real goals of a philosophy of 'differance' (sic. cf Derrida) back by several decades. The world we currently live in has descended into a 'dark ages' characterised by an unbridled technological diffusion of a new babel of mumbo-jumbo - the pseudo religious and pseudo scientific rantings of a putative (though anachronistic) 'right' and 'left', which leaves us emotionally clinging to our security blanket of choice. Meanwhile, any serious investigation and attempt to 'reconstruct' a workable and sustainable world view is constantly interrupted and elided by all this paranoid, narcissistic and vicious bickering. Which facet of humanity always gains (in terms of power) from these wilful, cultural interventions of 'divide and rule', historically? Murray seems to genuinely struggle with this question here. I would like to see him pay even closer attention to the structures of our current socio-economic arrangements. He has a fatal flaw, it seems to me, in that he passes over the responsibilities and machinations of the real economic elites in constructing or at very least, steering our current malaise. Maybe this is a reflection of his 'habitus' (c.f Boudieu), having grown up in a Catholic school and then Eton and Oxford, he is perhaps, stoically inclined to "render up to Caesar that which is [unproblematically] Caesars'. I would ask him to rather, question, if not everything, then certainly 'the elephant in the room'. I have no doubt that he is capable of doing this, although he might have to get to grips with some of those 'difficult' books (I too, would 'rather read Rilke' and value poetry, performance and music above dry theory but also draw on a broad school of philosophy to help keep abreast of the philosophical challenges facing the species) and look forward to even more erudition on his part. The wise man dismisses nothing.
Love it. Great guest, excellent host guiding the conversation.
Best episode yet. We need more critical thinkers to start calling out the new regime
Excellent conversation, thanks guys
I really like Ground News and I'm glad you are promoting it.
What an extraordinary interview!
Deliriously happy to encounter this guy Coleman! So nuanced a thinker.!
You both serve and serve well . For this I’m grateful.
I recently came across you on a podcast, thank you for these episodes, I am really enjoying getting to know your points of views and way of interacting with others!
Excellent conversation. Thank you.
Shared it. Great interview. Keep'em comin'.
2 bright minds! Love it. I hope more of these discussions get shared and absorbed by people.
Tim Pool gave a definition of "systemic racism" a couple of days ago; he believes that systemic racism just means that we had past race based policies (i.e. Jim Crow laws) and practices (redlining) built into the system which still negatively effect specific races today.... whereas "institutional racism" were the actual policies and practices.
If a problem still exists ((i.e. generational wealth transfer), this is the most sensible way of looking at it that I've heard. "The paradox of a racist society without racists" that the woke cult seem to be pushing on us without any coherent clarification needs to stop; and so does their racist path to redemption and salvation.
James Lindsay has an accurate interpretation of the made-up term "systemic racism." He wrote an article called "Why nobody is systemically racist" and it's on newdiscourses.com. I recommend!
"Why Nobody is Systemically Racist - New Discourses" newdiscourses.com/2020/07/nobody-systemically-racist/
@@emilyk.5664 that article looks interesting, and a bit scary; I'll have to read the rest later, but if BLM is founded on a doctrine that "white people" are an entity which must be oppressed, even violently, for black people to be liberated, then I can only predict that racism is going to get a lot worse if their movement continues to gain traction.
This is so good! Thanks Coleman
Once something has made it to the mainstream, why redirect it to a stagnant swamp. Why indeed.
I’ve been looking forward to this.
Fantastic discussion! Big fan of both of you!
Really lovely episode, so calming yet very interesting conversation conducted in a non profane manner
Two of my favourites in a discussion.
Excellent conversation.
Murray's metaphor of the river is really quite good.
Commenting to boost this. More people should hear things like this
Great interview Coleman.
Wonderful conversation kudos gentlemen
Thank you!
Can't wait for Coleman's book!
Ughh what a great combo. Would love to hear you two have future conversations together. No filler here, that's for sure.
Excellent! Best to Douglas and yourself! Keep at it!
Fantastic conversation.
Great conversation
My 2 favourite social commentators together. Fantastic!
There was no other game in town - Except until 2008 and the Ron Paul Liberty Movement!
He’s my favorite, can’t wait to hear this conversation!!!!
I like how he just lets words slowly fall out of his mouth, with seemingly no effort, while simultaneously you can see he’s going through excruciating pain.
No one man is his match, not anymore.
My God Coleman ... you just made me make sense of my entire primary school/high school life.
"Start with the thinking".
... I never found any of the texts they fawned over especially deep.
What a wonderful conversation.
Congrats Coleman on being named on being named on "30 under 30" list. You are contributing mightily already in your own way and I appreciate your effort!
Thank you. Keep sane in a difficult time. It is time to keep building bridges.
It always amazes me how well the MSM manage to hide from me genuinely interesting black people.