Sony And Marvel In Disagreement Over Spider-Man 4
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- Опубликовано: 25 янв 2024
- John and the crew discuss the report going around that Sony and Marvel are at odds with the direction of Spider-Man 4 and the involvement of Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield.
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Don’t over use the other 2 Spidermen! Stick with the more grounded story!
No lol Tobey And Andrew are way better anyways, Tobey is the best Spider-Man of all time and Andrew is the 2nd best, Tom Holland is just meh, it would be better with them both back
Agreed. Multiverse is so overdone nowadays, & a more grounded story would feel more personal & real.🤔
@AgentNema122 I like them all the only problem I had with Toby he wasn't the wise cracking spiderman.
@@Bingo_the_PugI always was
@@sa1ntlukewhy not?
I just assumed Spider-Man 4 would be Holland’s own movie. And then the team up with McGuire and Garfield would be in Secret Wars.
Bringing them back so soon seems like the kind of thing WB execs would do. It would make them a lot of money now, but hurt the brand/profits in the long run.
Perhaps they could compromise and have Peter team up with Daredevil next? It would scratch the crossover itch, stay grounded, and give people something new. I also think they're crazy for not giving Garfield and Maguire new solo movies.
The only movie Tobey and Andrew should come back for is Secret Wars. Let SM4 be Tom's movie only!
They are the leaders of the films
I love how suddenly everybody loves the amazing Spider-Man. I remember before when the amazing Spider-Man two came out. People were like Sony ruin Spider-Man no more Andrew Garfield Spider-Man and now everybody’s selling a fan of the amazing Spider-Man series
I hated AS1. I was ok with AS2. No Way Home made me love Garfield and now I was AS3.
Those were just Maguire fans. I liked AS1 more than any of the Maguire movies. It was AS2 that fell off and made it hard to make AS3.
I didn't really like either of The Amazing Spider-Man movies. But Spider-Man: No Way Home made me come to appreciate Andrew Garfield as the character & the opportunities it represented. That's because Jon Watt & Marvel utilized Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man in a better way than Marc Webb did.
AS1 was really good at the expense of canceling SM4, but AS2 was a hot mess! Kevin Feige consulted AS1 and Sony thought they can do it all by themselves. Now we’re here 😊.
1st Grounded story, sequel, introduce Miles, final movie Peter’s conclusion as Spider-Man
Keep Tom by himself and just do Spider-Man 4 with Tobey and ASM 3 with Andrew
The reason No Way Home succeeded was because these established Spidermen were mentoring Holland's Spiderman through the most traumatic events he's experienced in his fledgling career so that he made it out the other side intact and become his own Spiderman. To throw all that development away for a cheap nostalgia cashgrab is folly, imo.
Sony should just make a Toby Maguire movie separate from everything else
If Sony ruins SM4 I will become the Punisher
@@somebody9648 you missed the entire point of the MCU trilogy, then. It was a reverse origin story and that was the point. Now we have him back as the friendly neighborhood spiderman, let's keep it that way.
Id rather ASM3 or Raimi Spiderman 4 than No Way Home 2.
I hope we get a more grounded Spider-Man movie. That way we can finally see him and Daredevil properly team up and face off against Kingpin.
All I know is Sony better not have the final say. Seems like Sony wants a cash grab and marvel wants a genuine spiderman story.
Let Tobey and Andrew have their OWN film either together or seperate. I'd prefer that over all 3 of them together
I think they should have the film together
I think they will all collab again and I want to see it, BUT I think they should build back up to that. Id rather standalone films in their respective universes and then come back together again. Keep in mind Sony is also responsible for the games and Spiderverse so they are proving to be decent sheperds of the franchise (Morbius notwithstanding)
I totally agree with John here. Please not another multiverse multiple-Spidey crossover. They said good-bye at the end. Let it stew for a while. I could see them coming back together at much a later time but it’s too soon right now and it just won’t have the impact that it did in the last movie. Still waiting for a proper Spider-Man->black suit-> Spidey vs Venom arc.
Wolverine coming back: doesn’t take away from Logan we still have that movie
Spidermen coming back: ruins a perfect send off
😂😂
Sony should continue Sam Raimi's Spider-Man and Marc Webb's Spider-Man franchises, while the MCU should continue its own Tom Holland Spider-Man franchise.
Keep it grounded please. I want to see Spiderman and Daredevil in a fight with Kingpin in Hell's Kitchen.
Why can’t Sony just stfu and collect the checks from Marvel yah don’t make good movies
Here I thought Sony had the better idea on Spiderman than MCU, given the Spiderverse movies and the reputation of MCU right now.
NHW ended with Spidey being grounded. Exactly what fans wanted. The route should be simple as pair him with Daredevil, fight goons with no supers.
Keep Tobey and Garfield for the crossover events. Be it the next Avengers or the time when Spiderverse crossover with live action.
Ground level Tom Holland. Let Andrew and Toby appear on secret wars
I say keep on with the grounded Tom Holland Spiderman story and save Andrew and Tobey for Secret Wars
Tell us how you really feel about the old Tony Stark suits John. I believe both Sony and Disney are not taking into account how beloved Spider-Man actually is. There’s enough room for a Tom Holland Spider-Man in Disney & an Andrew Garfield Spider-Man story in Sony‘s world. Make the movies very different thematically & tonally, with different villains. Have them do this for a few movies separately up until Secret Wars or some other crossover. No Way Home set the dominoes up and now all Disney & Sony have to do now is knock them down.
The almost 2 billion dollar box office only proves we want more maguire and Garfield. CONTINUE THEIR OWN RESPECTIVE UNIVERSES
Why would you ever ask Ray anything expecting a good answer!?
Tobey never got to have his stand alone Spider-Man 4 .. so the hell with it for Tom. Bring everybody back to keep their stories going forward
It was a cool crossover but shouldn’t happen again for a LONG time. Was finally looking forward to Holland getting to be a more grounded and serious spiderman rather than just a kid
Secret wars should be the next and last time they team up.
I want a more grounded story. As much I would like Tobey ans Andrew spider-man in the movie it would just feel like a money grab and would not be a special. I rather sony do another amazing spider-man movie with Andrew
I totally disagree with you with Tobey Maguire Campea. Tobey's Spider Man's story is finished. He got his trilogy. Garfield never got his trilogy. He still has a story to tell.
That's gatekeepy. Just because Tobey 'has a trilogy' doesn't mean there isn't more story to tell. Yes they cut Garfield short (largely because there was all this franchise setup in TASM 2 that went nowhere) but a trio of movies isn't the obligatory end to a story.
Look what happen to Thor love and thunder. Some trilogies don’t need to extend
Grounded spidy is best right now. Give Holand a chance to carry it on his own.
Sony needs to chill…wait until the next two Avengers films and or a live action Spiderverse film that’s rumored to happen.
Grounded SpiderMan plz.. the kid has been thru enough lol
This is so simple. Let Marvel have Tom Holland’s MCU Spider-Man, while Sony continues with Garfield in The Amazing Spider-Man 3. “Best of both worlds.”
So you want Marvel to ruin Spider man too no thanks Sony needs to take the lead on this one
@@fernandomoreno4754you're insane lol
@@majora919 Nope Marvel has been putting out crap lately
@fernandomoreno4754 if Sony doesn't mess it up now they will later. Look what they did to Sam Rami spider man 3.
@@fernandomoreno4754 ok and when was the last time Sony movie? Have you seen how Madame web looks ? Their proposal for Spiderman 4 sounds awful as well
Bring them back in Secret Wars don’t overuse them the magic will be gone if we see them more and more
We don’t need all 3 Spider-Man’s back together again.. it worked for no way home but to have it again it’s not necessary.. just make spider man original again with an original New story 🤷🏻♂️
Give us Black Cat. Tom Holland's still young, he doesn't need to jump to Mary Jane right away.
Grounded for now save reunion for secret wars
I feel that the compromise should be that the film should be street-level solo film but a post-credit scene should tease Toby Maguire and Andrew Garfield's return in another project. For example, they could do a live-action Spider-verse film to tie in with Secret Wars etc and perhaps tie up Sony's mess of a cinematic universe. Or they could tease a continuation of Maguire and Garfield's universes in some other form. Either would be kind of cool. I could get on board with it. But I also want Tom Holland's Spider-Man to go through a 616 universe version of the classic Rogue's Gallery over the course of his next trilogy.
Grounded spidey is the best. We dont need both spidermen back.
I don't think they need or should do another Spider-Man crossover. Been there done that.
The only reason I would want to see them do another crossover with the other Spidey's is because everyone is still able to do it, and that won't always be the case. Maybe we should get one more out of them while we can.
Wait on the crossover, let Tom stand on his own for his bit
I think you can justify, financially, and brand wise, letting Tom Holland Spider-Man be on his own, maybe another cross over later on, While also finishing out, doing Sony movies with Andrew Garfield Amazing Spider-Man.
I don’t care what spider-man they use, I care about getting a good movie. Start with a good story and take it from there.
Bad ideas make bad stories
Why not do both? Release the grounded Marvel Spider-man 4 and then end credit scene, Tom Holland falls through a portal or something into the multiverse where they do the team up film via Sony
100% for the more grounded Spider-Man. time for him to fight King Pin with a team up from Daredevil. I agree too that No Way Home was a good send off for both Tobey and Andrew.
I actually don’t mind the Iron Spider outfit as much as John seems to, I actually kind of like it but, coming with that has always been my major gripe with the MCU spider-man films and that’s what John said about him being “Iron Man Junior”.
I have always felt that way, I love Tom Holland’s take on the wall crawler as growing up to this day at 26 years old, the friendly neighborhood wall crawler, is easily in my top 2 favorite Marvel superheroes alongside the hulk, which I want savage hulk back much like John seems to as well but, ultimately I hope they go back to him being the “friendly neighborhood” spider-man and not the “friendly multiverse” spider-man which he might as well be called in the MCU iteration so far.
Stick with a grounded story for the MCU. For the Sony movies go ahead and do something with Toby and Andrew. This is also just because of where No Way Home and the multiverse in general is leaving off. I think the MCU can stay away from multiverse adventures, but let Sony go ahead and do their own multiverse stuff.
Enough with the multiverse! It’s time for a street level Spidey story
Billions of dollars, and yet Sony still mess with Marvel
I would love to see Tobey and Andrew again in the role, but if they appear in Spiderman 4, it would take away from what made No Way Home Special. That film was fan service done right, just like I hope Deadpool 3 will be with the Xmen.
I do think we will see Tobey and Andrew back though, most likely in Secret Wars, or even in their own new films.
Sony should make a grounded Andrew Garfield Spider-Man into a TV show.
Do they own the TV rights ?
Spider-Man 4 should be Peter at community college and fighting crime in NYC, meeting miles morales, harry osborne and Gwen stacy
I really don’t think it’s that hard. Let Marvel tell the Tom Holland stories. Do a Spider-Man 4 with Toby and Rami and close that story out officially. Then do and Amazing Spider-Man 3 and have Andrew Garfield be the Spider-Man in the venomverse
First time I’ve ever watched your channel… absolutely agree. MCU Spider-Man should become more grounded and less childish. Please stay away Sony, please please.
"marvel wont allow it"....well its not up to Marvel. Sony has the rights....as much as Sony will try and fuck up the franchise with all the BS spiderman properties (outside spiderverse).
Grounded then multiple Spider-Verse again. Both definitely but give the multi verse a break.
I think this is a great opportunity to lean more into the Spiderman games version of movies with the introduction of Miles Morales, Mr. Negative and Miles Uncle.
And Venom
We can do both, just wait till we have our grounded movie. We could even revisit there universe in solo films then see them in a crossover movie during or after secret wars.
If the upcoming Kraven movie took place in the Amazing Spider-Man universe it would have been a great way to have another live action Spider-Man movie without it competing with live action Spider-Man in the MCU. Imagine if Andrew Garfield reprised his role as Peter Parker/Spider-Man in a film adaptation of Kraven the Last Hunt.
It seems Sony is just thinking on money and spectacle. Which is exactly the thinking that destroyed Spiderman 3 and TASM 2
I may be biased because I think it’s a terrible idea to bring Tobey and Andrew back, but I think John is overestimating the fan response if that were the case. It was special for No Way Home because they were characters who we haven’t seen on screen in a long time and their stories ended abruptly, but now we got a fantastic send off for them so I don’t see what else they could do with those characters that would get everyone excited. Plus I just think it would ruin the stakes of No Way Home.
It’s incredible how I’ll go periods of time without seeing a campea video and then when I do, without fail ray is still spouting just the absolute worst takes imaginable
I'd love Spiderman 4 to be more grounded and we can get a daily bugle, web slinging friendly neighbourhood spiderman. In general we need higher stakes, lower scale drama after Endgame.
Let Garfield do TASM 3 against Venom since Garfield did say he wanted to fight an alien in No Way Home and have a cameo by McGuire to help give him advice on how to fight a symbiote in Venom or have those two could team up to take on the Sinister 6. It's also obvious that Marvel wants to keep the Holland version grounded for his eventual meeting with Kingpin.
If the sony idea goes through with tobey and andrew coming back, tom holland would just be going from "iron man junior" to "spider-verse junior"
What no way home did was special. Doing it again would dilute it.
I guess im in the minority. I don't want Garfield and Mcguire back. You don't want to keep bringing in a good thing just because it worked in NO Way Home. Keep Holland grounded and have us get to know the spiderman that no one remembers after the events of No Way Home. Plus McGuire and Garfield prob wouldn't even come back if they felt it was a cash grab like this plot line most likely is.
I think Sony realistically want to tank Holland's spiderman in the MCU to then bring him back into the Sony verse.
You’re not alone at all I fell the same way about this situation.
I want another crossover Spidey film with Tobey and Andrew.
Grounded please - the whole point of the end of no way home is that he’s on his own now. Bring the other two back further down the line. Fuck Sony - they literally have no clue
Yea they should definitely go the MCU route with the grounded Spidey. He’s on his own now so it’d be interesting to see how they work with that. It’d be better if they have both of them return for Secret Wars, but now it’s too soon. Let Holland cook on his own for a bit
It would be cool to see a more grounded Holland film, but I disagree with the idea that No Way Home was a great sendoff for the other two Spidermen. To me it felt very much like the beginning of something with lots of potential.
Give us a grounded Spider-Man 4 AND The Amazing Spider-Man 3, making Andrew the Sonyverse Spidey. Maybe make Tobey’s fourth film also. Andrew is a top priority
I see why Sony would want to bring them all together again, but it would reek of a cash grab...the reaching that they would have to do for it to make any kind of sense is ridiculous.
I would love to see more adventures with Tobey and/or Andrew's Peter, but it sounds like that is a pipe dream.
My vote for Tom's Spidey is to go solo from here on out.
I don't see why Sony & Marvel can't give us both projects... Let Kevin Feige spearhead the Tom-Holland led, grounded Movie that they want in the MCU, and let Sony make sequels or a team-up movie with Maguire & Garfield? I think most people want a Spider-Man 3 so Maguire can finish up his trilogy, but we also want a grounded story 'back to basics" in the MCU.
Unfortunately I think that what NWH’s ending teases is something that neither Sony or Marvel will ever properly deliver on. That, to me, has become clear as we’ve seen how marvel has handled their films as well as what we know about Sony’s business practices. They both care more about marketability and selling audiences on hype than anything and whereas other studios will often let capable creative-driven directors bring their liberties to an otherwise studio green-lit projects, marvel is just too creatively bankrupt to do that. Whether this next Spidey movie is done through the street-level side of the mcu or not, that kind of hype-driven approach just won’t do Spider-Man or his themes proper justice.
For the first time in a long time I'm with Marvel. Not saying I'd hate to see Mcguire and Garfield return but I'd rather see a more grounded Spider-Man 4 where Holland's Peter Parker is on his own. No Avengers, No Shield, No other Spider-Man variations, JUST him.
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Reminds me of what they did with the Cw. They originally wanted a Batman show(but tdk movies were out) but WB wouldnt allow them to do so, whuch is why arrow exist
Spider-Man 4 should take the grounded route for sure. Sony should just give Andrew Garfield his 3rd film since his popularity went up again after No Way Home. That would honestly solve the problem as many would love to see Garfield do his thing again. That version can connect with Venom etc. Should they wish another crossover, save it for Secret Wars. Not that complicated, Sony! Get your shit together! 🤣
Ooh, let's have a Gen Z Spiderman, where a spider gets bitten by a radioactive human and develops the power to whinge on twitter while taking a sh*t.
Have Kingpin as the villain and have him hire the Punisher to go after Spiderman, just like how he was introduced in the comics just with Kingpin instead of Jackal.
Exactly. And throw daredevil in there to mentor/warn/help Peter avoid the punisher.
I say do it all. Make a grounded Tom Holland MCU Spidey. Do a older spidey story with Tobey Maguire. Do something with Andrew Garfield too ... maybe bring him into the venomverse. Then have them all come back together later on down the line. To face something like the sinsister six!
The last film was literally 5 of the sinister 6... they dont need to do sinister 6
Spiderman NWH wasnt really a multiversal movie because it didnt involve other universes,marvel spiderman didnt go to other universes,the multiverse wasnt in trouble.I think its time to do the spiderverse involving multiple spidermen and the multiverse is in danger of collapsing.
Go grounded. Bring him closer to the Netflix characters.
My question is, how would they bring them back in the first place?
They'd come up with something lame like "Dr Strange forgot to close a Portal in No Way Home" 🙄
@@codeen66I would assume that Sony wanted to use Madame Web
Start with grounded and work up to team up. They only have Holland for a few more movies we need to see him interact with Kingpin/Daredevil…
Grounded Spider-Man has my vote
I dont think bringing back Garfield and Mcguire is an auto billion+ at the box office, because we need the movie to also be good. Batman V Superman is a great example of two big popular heroes appearing together for the firs time on the big screen and the movie at best was "meh" and couldnt even crack a billion. What story can be told at this time that the audience will get behind that warrants bringing back Garfield and Mcguire?
Actually you don't know the popularity of spiderman 😅
No Sony if you want huge cashgrabs just give us what the fans want Tobey Spiderman 4 and Amazing Spiderman 3 is not that hard. For example you can make Andrew Garfield's Spiderman to be the Spiderman of your Crappy Universe
Making Venom, Kraven and Morbius all
coexisting in the same universe except for Madame Web because its own thing. Solving the problem of why Sony does Spin-off Spiderman films without a Spider-Man this is just a theory that
I have seen on the internet just take it
as a grain of salt but Marvel and Sony can have their Spiderman 4 what do I mean is that can be a street level Spiderman grounded story
but by the end of the movie there
is a cameo of both Tobey and Andrew
Spidermans in their respective universes
dealing with incursions and that will
tie to their appearances in Secret Wars.
It would be a multiversal movie but at the same time is not but a snippet or teaser of what's to come.
I just said that to my wife😂
The villain of Spider-Man 4 is Sony, again.
In 2058, Spider-Man will become public domain
Go with the symboit story hollands spiderman had lost a lot and the symboit would be drawn to that, and maybe then in the last act bring them in to help remove the symboit
I think Campea ian't putting the whole issue out there. Sony's intent is to get Tom Holland associated with Sony's Venom character, to make their Venom mess look better. That's why they want the go multiverse again with the other 2 Spider-Man characters. Feige is trying to hold off on Venom and bring Vemon in the way that is closer to the Secret Wars comic book, a fresh start unconnected with the Sony Venom character. Th'at's what the argument between Marvel and Sony is supposed to be. It's all because of Venom.
Sony should be sat in a corner to reflect deeply about every ideas and creative decisions they made that gave birth to Spider-Man 3, Morbius and Let There Be Carnage. These movies are proofs that someone in the company is very incompetent and I think it's always the same guy that keep insisting he's competent when he's actually not.
2 thoughts.
1. McGuire’s & Garfield’s appearances was a special event, a rerun won’t necessarily have the same affect & appeal with the audience, it dangerously comes close to coming off as a gimmick.
2. Aren’t they coming back for Secret Wars?
It is so important that we come back down to earth after a climax. In the next film, Spider-Man should fight in New York against the Kin Pin and get to know Daredevil. I would only introduce a reunion with the other Spider-Mans again in the big Avengers film when it comes to fighting together against evil in the universe. but until then. LET US BREATHE
This is the problem with corporate controlled art. From a story perspective, you don't follow an event with another event. The movie blew up because of novelty. Doing it again and again is such a typical Hollywood lesson from success. They ALWAYS take the wrong lessons from it.
Last time Spiderman was grounded was with the 1st Amazing Spiderman and it took elements from the Dark Knight Trilogy and alot of people didn't appreciate it which is why Sony made the Amazing Spiderman 2 which tried to bring some MCU light and humor but even more people disliked that but since Spiderman has been in the MCU and is played by Tom Holland they can do the same thing with Tom and no one will complain. I think we should have two Peter Spidermans running around one to be the MCU Avenger and we can have another Spiderman in the Sony Universe so Venom,Morbius,Kraven have someone to fight
Stick with a new grounded trilogy for the Tom Holland solo films and then have the three of them reunite in Secret Wars. Simple.
A grounded Spider-Man movie along the likes of The Batman would be incredible
I think some healthy competition between the Sony/ marvel Spider-Man films is good. Maybe it’ll encourage both studios to make the GREATER movie
Sony have a bad habit of going to big to soon. Spider 2-3 tasm 1-2 don’t fuck it up again Sony
Sony would want 2 milk a beautiful moment to death smh