Tornado's Boiler Overhaul
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- Опубликовано: 18 июл 2023
- The overhaul of Tornado's boiler turned out to be a lot more challenging that anticipated. Hard work on the part of the staff at Darlington Locomotive Works and from Northern Steam has ensured that it recently passed both hydraulic and steam tests and can now be returned to the locomotive's frames. You can find out more and how to help here: www.a1steam.com/regulardonati...
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The music was too loud and had trouble hearing what you were saying.
Agreed
Agreed
Absolutely. The music added nothing!
PARDON? SORRY I CANT HEAR OVER THE MUSIC 🤣
@@gavineyre4745 The music was a perfect choice but the mix with the voice over was bad.
Lets hope it's better next time.
Very nice film apart from that nicely done.
It's a good job there are sub-titles as the narrator is fighting a losing battle against the dirge-like 'music'!
I just can't hear the voice it is all left channel over a loud stereo track 😑
Agreed. I - eventually - was able to follow the narration but it really needs to be re-recorded with the music much quieter or deleted entirely.
Very surprised that the following methods are not practiced.
When annealing tube ends it’s best that they are cooled in a bed of slaked lime. This prevents scaling, making them easier to prep & slows down rate of cooling.
They’re like butter to expand in then.
Also I don’t like to see the seal welding of tube ends without beading first.
For one you directly impact the tube seating & preempt/ induce cracking to occur from the heat affected zone.
Mr Bulleid adopted the American method of beading the tube ends then seal welding the bead which does much to dissipate heat & takes the heat affected zone away from the tube seat.
This was accepted BR practice.
Just saying after 30 odd years or so in this profession learning all the time from a lot of good men I worked among.🙂
Re-edit with the music track to run UNDER the narrator and repost.
Thanks for the update. Don’t let the negative comments put you off - all part of the learning curve. So please don’t decide UTube is just too much hassle. It’s a great way to communicate and to gain interest. Interest=publicity and publicity = funding (especially re the P2). Best wishes
Its an incredible video, absolutely 10/10 for all of the visual content, editing, details etc. But the negative comments are from the audio which is a two part problem. The microphone or something used to record the narration track has given a really poor quality narration track to work with already. But then the music is just too loud to work well with that Narration track as is. If the music was able to be cut down to 25-35% of that volume level it would be fine.
I greatly appreciate when someone goes to the trouble of making a video to this high visual standard, and also includes Narration as I will save videos for later and play them as I drive to work using only audio as a guide for things. This video unfortunately had me turn it up so loud it felt like it was blaring at me, but that was just to hear the narration.
Sometimes the best move is to provide quality, constructive criticism of a video. Everything cant be all perfect and sunshine or lollypops, but if its done respectfully to the content creator, then their videos can be improved or fixed up BECAUSE they are such an important part of the cycle of communication with the rail community.
@@james.black981 Better if the music were cut by 100%!
I could hardly hear the narrator, that music was WAY too loud!
Music is to loud.
i really cannot wait for the day we see Tornado and Prince of Wales standing side to side in the new workshop :D
Brilliant filming. Totally rained by unnecessary music.
Whoever "mixed" the audio track of this should be ashamed of themselves. Did they not listen to this before uploading?
It's good to see this sort of boiler work can still be done, the expertise still exists. Why did you mix the music higher than the narration? Personally I'd rather hear the industrial noise than this generic music.
I think, in UK we are only capable of servicing a loco boiler. They are not made in UK.
@@haroldpearson6025 Boiler manufacture is still done in the UK. The A1 SLT uses DB Meiningen in Germany, but companies in the UK such as Israel Newton also manufacture new boilers.
Really enjoyed the video . . . which I replayed with the sound turned off. Very illuminating and I love the attention to detail.
Interesting but would you ask the pianist to go and practice somewhere else as I couldn't hear the commentary?
As someone in the US; I find it odd to see the boiler taken off the frame for an inspection and overhaul for a locomotive that was just recently in service. Here that is typically reserved for park locomotives being overhauled for the first time back to service.
Lose the music or at least sound check before uploading.
Built by J B Meiningham in Germany I believe, along with a spare.
Ok this is an amazing video. and I think this is the first job you guys have done inside of the new workshops. also I cannot wait to see the P2’s boiler being tested!
Please get to the point and re- upload without the annoying music. Thanks.
Hope Tornado will be back soon, heard that Leander has took her place on the 27th and 29th’s Aberdonian tours
That cover image reminds me of the smoke stacks on the battleship USS New Jersey. They have baffles with holes that are slightly smaller than the size of enemy shells so that enemy shells can't go down the funnel all the way to the keel.
Yet another mention of the Iowas.
Not exactly appropriate to a video about a British steam locomotive
@@user-hr1cp7wd3p You make your comments and we will make ours. It's none of your business what comments people make in an open comments section.
250psi… that’s quite some kettle.
Up close it does sound similar to a jet aircraft, when the cocks or safety valve opens.
Don’t need the “dramatic “ music
Great and informative video, but a few bits of feedback for you to make the next one even better: Music volume was much too high and overwhelmed the narration at points. In addition, it seemed like the narration was only coming through the left channel, rather than in full stereo sound, which didn't help.
Please reload without the god awful music so we can listen to you. 👍
According to my Heritage Railway magazine dated December January 2023 this boiler had just come back from a overhaul in Germany and was ready to be fitted back into the locomotive and expected to haul a train on March 23rd.
So why was it all cut open again.
Looks great! Glad to see work on Tornado happening
Nice video the "background" music almost overwhelmed the voice of the narrator. It would have been good to hear sounds of the activities being carried out and done away with the music altogether.
Thought it was a great video, very interesting and informative. Thanks
I wonder how they installed and processed the tubes back-in-the-day
very little has changed..
Great video - But why the loud unnecessary music ?
I spy a p2 with my eye.
I spy a fellow lego train fan with my eye
She’s coming to life! 😀
Glorious
Nice.
Need to use dual channel for voice over, and lower background music
Good un that keep them coming 👍
congratulations, now you have to put them together
A worthwhile update totally ruined by unnecessary ‘music’.
As far as I know, welding was never used when installing pipes. Pipes were expanded in tube sheets. Sealing like rivets. So using welding is not the best choice in my opinion. The quality and uniformity (without caverns) of the weld seam is a big question.
Мы в недрах наших мастерских
Куём, строгаем, рубим.
Не покладая рук своих,
Мы труд фабричный любим.
Thanks for the sub titles - could not hear you over the music.
I personally just suddenly seem to recall that a boiler ticket lasts for exactly 1 whole decade meaning that Steamies including the famously well-known sole-serving Doncaster built in the year of precisely 1923 on the date of February 24th respectfully L N E R class A3 Pacific type of steam-driven railway tender locomotive designed by Sir Herbert Nigel Gresley himself known as the Flying Scotsman certainly would basically have no complete doubt whatsoever needed to be fitted with a new boiler when the previous boiler expires! Also, apparently for another awesome well-known fact is basically that come to carefully think 'bout it further, the famously well-known sole-serving Doncaster built in the year of precisely 1923 respectfully L N E R class A3 Pacific type of steam-driven railway tender locomotive designed by Sir Herbert Nigel Gresley himself known as the Flying Scotsman certainly would basically have had a specifically wonderfully great total of precisely 10 approved new boiler tickets for each decade that the locomotive's been officially in steam!
Have you considered building a second boiler? To allow a boiler change out, similar to BR would have done. This would allow increased track time as the rolling gear overhaul can be completed in a shorter time scale than the boiler overhaul.
We have a *third* boiler being made. The boilers will be common to both No. 2007 and No. 60163 and the spare will allow rapid overhauls in future.
@@thea1steamlocomotivetrust889 Perfect ! Making boilers is far less glamorous than making new locomotives, but just as important.
Wasn't the boiler made in Germany?
@@thea1steamlocomotivetrust889 Good call!
I dare you to make a *_fourth_* one now~
@@grahamc887 Hey! Wasn't making each and every component *_of_* the locomotive just as hard, if not, worse than making the boiler?
Very nice video, likes from me.
Just how were 2 faulty sets of tubes delivered, shameful.
Made in China at a low price?....
@@jakobrebekinope, Germany!
I have had experience of German made boiler tubes and they are of very poor quality steel, they generally start leaking through pinholes after about 8 or 9 years of use and don't last much longer and have to be replaced after 10 years. I suspect that the steel used is re-cycled scrap rather that newly made steel made from iron new from the blast furnace. Unfortunately the British Steel industry has been sabotaged by successive governments and there are no longer any tube mills left in the UK!
@@juneyoung6357 where do we get tubes from now? The Germans' locomotives seem to be pretty reliable even when worked extremely hard (e.g. one Class 44 2-10-0 lifting a 1,600-tonne fertiliser train unassisted).
@@juneyoung6357 Maybe you should start to order the same tubes that are in German locomotives for years.
Has Tornado's overhaul been completed?
Excellent video and I will immediately subscribe . Yes the music was a little loud but some remarks were unnecessarily blunt and down right rude , don’t let that deter you from making more such highly interesting videos .
A little loud , sorry but you must a tad deaf .
@@maly2ts408 , I was being polite unlike some miserable sods . Maybe you should try it .
@@maly2ts408 To my mind, he's right, it's a LITTLE loud, the narration can be heard through the music. I can, at least. Well, I'm not a big grasper of English by ear, I prefer to read - still I can hear the voice in this video. But, as many say in the comments, music should not interfer with the voice, to make the video perfect.
Were the tubes not replaced when the boiler went bk to the manufacturer for overhaul?
So many issues.
Not least that the music is too loud, and the voice over is left channel only making it hard to hear what’s being said.
can you make a video of building the Prince of Wales boiler?
Great video, music drowned put the narrator and would like more detail in the narration but otherwise awesome.
Good informative video marred by overly loud music. Somebody didn't quality control the end video.😢
That music is way too loud.
who does the inspector work for? An inspection company, a minsitry? I ask because that is my job here in Canada.
I think they could save a lot of time and energy by getting an induction heater to anneal the tube ends
How long did all that take? Boiler looks like going into workshop in the autumn, and coming out during the next summer....
I had to mute the audio and make do with the subs :-)
Was the corrosion removal via Laser, Dry Ice, or Grit?
Why did we need the music miles too loud
Sorry but background music is overwhelming, stopped after 1minute
I am sure I missed a lot of info being unable to hear the commentary but why did you get the whole boiler made instead of just the barrel then buy the tubes in UK and fit them and didn't the boiler get tested in Germany or did you just get in untested hoping all would be well with it.?
Could have done without the cacophonous background dirge! - 'music'?
Great stuff. What would be the failure mode of the boiler when undergoing the pressure test?
since it's done with water rather than air/steam, nothing explosive will happen. However, any dodgy welds will start leaking, you'd see water start to seep out of joints or pinholes in the welding (:
I'm not sure how long a full size boiler needs to hold pressure, but for a model they need to stay at the same pressure for 30 minutes to be considered "sound"
@@roseroserose588 Really interesting thanks for the info and thanks for your time! What about the one when they do the all up test with the fire?
Managing steam risks is something we have been doing for hundreds of years but mostly before the internet so its mostly not written down and my current understanding is mostly. Don't mess with pressure vessels.
@@alexkennedy2608 Haha, not messing with pressure vessels is usually the most sensible option.
For the steam test, again you're looking for leaks in the seams but the pressure is the opposite - on steam test you know that the boiler can withstand the pressure, and now you're checking to make sure that the safety valves are working correctly and don't let the boiler get above working pressure by i believe 5%.
When you're testing a model engine, during this time you have the blower (ie the gadget that forces the fire to draft) on at full strength and your safety valves should be blowing off continuously.
This is generally done when the machine is all in one piece so to speak, and you also make sure that water delivery methods are all present and working correctly (injectors, hand pump etc.)
I am by no means an expert, i just had my model tested recently (: If you google "PSSR L122" you'll be able to see the actual regulations that go into excruciating detail on all points 😊
Great work with the boiler, the music is too loud and over the top.
Music was waaay too loud
Shame it was not ready fr the north norfolk railway
Jeez Louise, how many times on RUclips videos is the music background too loud. Such a basic oversight. Makes the narration almost inaudible.
Yet another video that I find impossible to watch because of the irrelevant and annoying music. I could turn the sound off but then I would miss the commentary, so there would be no point in watching.
wolrd need back to front not using gasoline and using battery and fire.
Gosh. What happened to the boiler? Wasn't the loco fairly new? And turn down the darn music. I can't hear what the announcer is saying.
tornados boiler is going to a overhaul
Clearly you guys don't play back your edits before uploading
The music was spoilt by th uncessary naration
excellent video spoilt by awful music
Please remove the background music that prevents me from hearing the commentary
Loose the music and increase speaking volume.
Otherwise great video.😊
I gave up trying to hear the narrator after 2 minutes.
Interesting video, dreadful music.
What a great Locomotive the Tornado is. Maybe consider converting to oil fired while you have it apart.
I am an ex marine engineer. Is an engineer ever an ex engineer ? 🙂
In my limited experience included Quality Control in Power Stations, I question the wisdom of welding the tubes with 'stick' - surely initial, inert gas TIG welding is more controllable ? Mind you - as the welds have all passed the hydro test - that chap is some stick welder indeed. 🙂
Ditch the muzac please - we don't need it to maintain interest or set an 'atmosphere'.
Pity about the bloody racket in the background. Had to stop watching!!
Spoilt by drowning everything out with that terrible music
I see some rust in the boiler.
¿Why they don't use stainless steel?..
Just curious.. 🇪🇸🇪🇸
it would be disastorous to use stainless steel as boilers as the corrosion procces would be unpredictable and expensive
@@voidjavelin23 Aha, ok.. Thanks for the info. 👍🇪🇸