The Mask Bot ending fits perfectly with recent themes. Scott also loves these kind of tragic, almost Twilight Zone-esque endings to his books. Like in Count The Ways or Lonely Freddies. Both end with the protagonist dying/trapped while their loved ones are peacefully ignorant and unaware
In the security breach notes about princess quest, they say something about "after I do that the princess will recognize me" and I think the princess handing over the sword could be the princess "recognizing" them. So I really like the idea that Cassie's dad is the one who left those notes.
@@januszjanusz536 Yeah he was fired. He probably went back to the Pizzaplex so that he could find the last PQ game because he KNOWS part of Glitchtrap remains. That's just me though
He might have stolen a mask and gone there in secret, after leaving Cassie some money and a note. We already have a bunch of homeless people living inside the Pizzaplex, one more wouldn't make much difference
@@januszjanusz536 The wrench is only in the AR world, so it's not a real object. It could be code generated by the AR network itself, or whatever entity seems to be guiding the player character in HW2.
“Why are you so special” - If it’s Jeremy Fitzgerald, the brain damage that resulted from the bite of ‘87 might also make taking him over like Vanny/GGY impossible. He can be tricked into completing tasks, but he can’t be fully taken over. His ability to resist full control is why he’s special, and why Cassie needs to be lured in to serve as a more suitable vessel. If he’s the same Jeremy from Help Wanted 1, that might also be how he escaped unlike Tape Girl or Vanessa. I do wonder though, if Fritz Smith is Mike using a fake name, could Jeremy Fitzgerald be the same? They might both have needed fake IDs, less to hide their identities, and more to pass a older to get the job. I think that Fritz and Jeremy being the Foxy and Bonnie MCI victims has to mean something. So Foxy Bro and Bonnie Bully using the names associated with their mascots might mean something. And, after the bite of ‘87, Jeremy might have no other ID on him. If his memory was bad enough, he might not know who he was, only what his ID said. If that’s the case, and he’s the play tester, it means there was only ever one Jeremy, just like there was only one Fritz, and one Mike
Why are you so special - if it's Jeremy Fitzgerald, the rain 🌧️ damage that resulted from the bite of 87 might also make taking him over like Vanny/ ggy impossible.he can be tricked into complaining tasks, but he can't be fully taken over his ability to resist full control is why he's special , and why Cassie needs to be lured in to serve as a More suitable vessel . If he's the same Jeremy from help wanted 1, that might also be how he escaped unlike tape 📼 girl or Vanessa . For real life.
The bullies were already teenagers in FNaF 4, assuming they'd need to be 18 for the job in 1987, they could've easily been 14 in 1983. In fact, I think that's actually on the younger side of ages they could be, so age is definitely not the issue.
I love how you both are so respectful to eachother and each other’s theories!! It’s so refreshing to hear two people talking about their theories to eachother without being toxic (cough cough Twitter)
14:50 I dunno Rye, I have traumatic experiences that I absolutely forget about until some token or reminder comes up, and some of those are only like 5 years old. I can absolutely see Bonnie bully forgetting the event from like 50 years prior until seeing the mask again!
I absolutely forgot about until some token or reminder comes up, and some of those are only like 5 years old. I can absolutely see Bonnie bully forgetting the event for like 50 years prior until seeing the mask again.
This! I have literal years of my childhood blocked out because of how traumatic it was, and it's only now in my mid-twenties that stuff's starting to come back.
I agree with ID on Freddy being possessed. He says he will protect you from his angry and confused friends, and that line seems to be meant to indicate that you need to be inside Freddy to go down, otherwise you are killed by the tangle. Which would mean whoever, whatever is in the tangle are Freddy's friends.
34:00 Have we considered that, if the player character is in fact Jeremy from Help Wanted 1, he tried to remove the headset or the mask and whatever implant was inside him at that point to stop Glitchtrap but the transfer had already partially happened? So, Glitchtrap is already in our heads at the beginning of Help Wanted 2, and the collectibles are two paths - we either become a bot or a follower, like Vanessa, by collecting the transformer toys, OR we collect the _memories_ and become *a worthy vessel* of Afton himself. We do things that make Afton see us as more useful than a bot or follower, maybe we share a memory or two (like the 1983 code) and that convinces Afton to give us memories, almost like we are getting to know each other. That brings him to the forefront of our minds, until the end of Princess Quest IV where he has enough form to be picked out and squished, that partial connection to him vanquished from our minds.
Adding to the VANNI mask looking like a halloween mask, the first time we see it, if i remember correcrlty, is during the halloween DLC for HW1, so they could have been trying to tell us that since then
Honestly one of my favorite parts of this podcasts is that the people (ryetoast and guests) are able to freely talk and have fun conversations more as "normal people" and not as "content creators"
On the comparison between the Fazforce Figures and the Memory Poppets: On one side you have the corporate, commercial, commodified element and the other side is the human, hand made, meaningful side. That’s always been a bit of a bifurcation in the franchise. It’s an Indy game series that started off with just one guy. But it’s also a massive franchise with a Hollywood film and multiple book series, etc. Fazbear in universe was a little passion project of two men, but quickly became a massive brand with toys, cartoons, etc. There’s the personal story about the Afton’s and the Emily’s, but there is also this big corporation that is willing to cut corners on safety and cover up heinous crimes for the sake of profits. Eventually these two sides need to intersect. I think that, if we do see a game that touches on FallFest, we might get to see the pivotal moment where William began to hate Henry, and it might have to do with the decision where the company went from a small regional thing to a massive brand.
1:08:40 my personal head-canon about the FNAF 4 box is from the FuhNaff video where he compares it to “your special obligations under Paragraph 4” in FNAF 6. And when Scott made a post talking about the box, when he mentions it directly it is in his fourth paragraph… the box IS Henry’s trap! It’s “all the pieces put together” aka all the animatronics and souls, so that they can be burned down and ended (until the following game of course)
Kinda like poetry it rhymes. William Afton loves rabbits, but uses a little bear plushie to make his child feel safe. Now the glitchtrap virus, who looks like a rabbit, uses a little bear to make children and others feel safe.
59:08 Honestly, I think Cassie’s Dad WAS fired. Note that at the beginning of Ruin, Cassie just refers to Fazbear’s as “this old place,” not her dad’s workplace. Makes me think he was fired before everyone else got STAFFBotted, and then returned and got botted himself. Cassie didnt know where to look for him bc he was no longer supposed to be going there
ID has skill in interpreting Candy Cadet's stories in a way that no other one does, with new ways of seeing them that make so much sense and changes what the community thought they knew. I really love some of her takes.
There's one problem I have with Id's interpretation of Cassie's dad being Jeremy. He definitely died. In Tape 9, Tape girl mentions that there is a LOT of 'ink' on the ground, on Jeremy, and his shirt specifically. Which would lead me to believe that the cuts to his face were pretty major. There is also a mention of the visor still covering his head, which I would assume to be the thing showing him the VR game. If the halloween mask on the floor was in fact the Vanny mask, then it'd mean 1 of 2 things. 1. Jeremy had the Vanny mask stuck to his face (something that doesn't happen without the device m.x.e.s uses to my knowledge), and cut the mask off, leaving his face somewhat intact. He then for WHATEVER reason put the visor that has the game with glitchtrap in it, back on his face. 2. Jeremy had NO Vanny mask on at all, and instead was wearing the visor the whole time. In an attempt to get the visor off his face, he cut his entire face off. Glitchtrap was probably prohibiting him from taking the visor off at all, through whatever means. But all that did was remove Jeremy's face, and leave the visor stuck on his head. I believe the second option is probably true, as I see no reason for Jeremy to have a Vanny mask in the first place, cut if off of his face, and then put the visor on. And it doesn't make sense for the Vanny mask AND the visor to be on at the same time. And finally, in Tape 4. Tape girl talks about the guillotine paper cutter, and what they're used for/in. At the end she says she was always scared of losing a finger, and how that seems silly now. To then abruptly mention Jeremy right after. I don't think I would talk like this is someone only cut a mask off of their face and were actually alive and well. Makes more sense to me that Tape girl is talking about Jeremy being dead or close to it after cutting his face off with that paper cutter. "I was always afraid of losing a finger. That seems so silly now... Jeremy used to do design work. I guess that's how he knew it was there." Is the exact part i'm mentioning. I THINK this all leads to HW1 Jeremy most likely being dead, or in intensive care. If anyone sees this, feel free to tell me if you have anything wrong with this interpretation! I'd love to hear some feedback.
1:01:45 you know, I actually interpreted that as a gameplay line and not a lore line! Mystic Hippos whole thing is the eye tracking, so I thought her saying "really look" and emphasizing that was to tell you that where you look matters with her. Since it's never explicitly stated she's the eye tracking demo. If she says it in the PC version then fair, I never got that! But I believe it's only said on the PSVR.
30:50 It's the Sister Location elevator at that point because they modelled it for the trailer and then realised they had no gameplay place to put it, because it's not like the SL games had a separate hub, so they put it in an ending.
Ok, so this thing about the Occipital Lobe bugs me to high hell. What Helpi says, is "New User Detected. Pairing Occipital Transponder[...]" The Important Word here is Pairing, not implanting. Whilst in the next sentence, Helpi says "Lucky for you, the transponder implant allows me to communicate wirelessly[...]", It is never stated that the masks implants you with anything. It is very much possible, and giving the initial phrasing I'd say even likely, that Cassy already had the implant to begin with.
I can't remember where but someone had the idea that Fazbear Entertainment may have implanted both their employees and customers with those transponders. I specifically remember them mentioning the Daycare being used as a way to do so. And maybe that explains Gregory's glitched vision when Vanny approaches him?
I think the story about the girl who escapes the witch and comes back could be implying after Vannessa was freed in the princess quest ending, and then came back (maybe to trap the mimic???) and was controlled again.
"The average FNAF character is involved in 1.75 head injuries" is just a statistical error. Jeremy "Head Injuries Georg" Fitzgerald, who might have recieved and/or caused every head injury in the entire franchise, is an outlier adn should not have been counted
Around 21:44 when talking about Jeremy from Help Wanted 1 being the same guy in Help Wanted 2 and he cut out/ got the vanni mask off of him, why would he be okay with another one being put on him in Help Wanted 2? The player character wearing a vanni mask is a surprise for the irl player but for the in-game person, it shouldn't be, unless it was forced on him, but I don't see any character having that motivation
The whole point with the candy cadet story is that a character willingly went into a dangerous forest that had hurt them when they were younger. So he would’ve willingly put on the mask to help fix glitch traps fuckery. That’s the best I could figure out at least
Things I think. 1. Seeing the take your vanni mask off poster in help wanted 2 makes me wonder if matpats theory about the cult of glitchtrap will come to fruition in a future game, rather than random people being infected it’s fazbear entertainment llc class V technicians who have their own vanni mask and who can build glitchtrap a new physical animatronic body. 2. Personally I don’t think vanni is a single person but rather a digital entity inside the mask that just wants a physical host body, kinda like venom she can link to a persons mind or with anyone who has a vanni mask so she’s kinda like a hivemind that can possess anyone with her mask. 3. I think security breach will possibly get 3 more DLC’s that take place in 1 night so that would make the equivalent of 5 nights (1 night with the base game, and 4 nights with 4 DLC’s), and with each dlc we play as a new kid that teams up with a animatronic. 4. If Cassie’s dad is the Bonnie bully and possibly Jeremy how old would he be, because in fnaf 4 he looks to be either 14 or 15, and we know that he’s probably the same age as Michael and Michael seems to be a adult possibly in his early 20s during sister location and we know that fnaf 3 takes place 30 years later after the 1st fnaf so I’d imagine he be pretty old, unless he’s immortal in some way like Michael and William that could explain. 5. After seeing sister location in help wanted 2 I started to wonder if it’s possible that glitchtrap has been around longer than we thought even before the first help wanted, in my mind I imagine William during his experiments with the Funtime animatronics he used the mimic1 programming to create a digital avatar inspired by his own original character (springbonnie) and trained it to mimic his own behavior so if anything ever happen to William their would technically be another William around but was trapped in the sister location bunker and never used, years later fazbear entertainment llc finds the circuit board with glitchtrap and give it to silver parasol games to scan in their vr experience and that’s when glitchtrap first appears and is able to take over any tester. 6. I think something that would be cool for fnaf is to make one of the mask bully an antagonist like the Freddy mask bully or chica mask bully. 7. What if the Jeremy from help wanted somehow survived cutting his face off, like what if the glitchtrap virus kept his body alive while he may have been brain dead or something. 8. If vanny is the dark split alter side of Vanessa psyche that follows and obeys glitchtrap why is she the one being shown crushing him rather than showing Vanessa destroying both glitchtrap and vanny and ultimately freeing herself. 8. I personally think that glitchtrap and the helpi AI are 2 separate variants/versions of the mimic1 programming but their trying to reach the same goal, I think their are multiple mimics, the og endo, the mimic v2 versions, tiger rock, glitchtrap and helpi and possibly vanni, also I’m pretty sure everyone agrees when I say the helpi AI is a separate and different entity from the animatronic helpy that’s a good guy.
41:14 IdsFantasy wonders if the Nightmarionne and Nightmarionne Staffbots are connected to a sort of "Dark Charlie " or Charlie's Agony, I would like to point out that one of Nightmarionne's lines in UCN is "I am the fearful reflection of what you've created." The posessed puppet is William's creation, whether he intended it or not, so I absolutely do think the Nightmarionne is Charlie's agony.
now that i think about it, the player being one of the bight of '83 bullies would explain all the nightmarionne plushies? traumatic memories and all that
1:03:02 you likely won’t see this but watching this again I think it’s probably symbolic of guilt in the same way people say “you have their blood on your hands” to mean you killed them, it was your fault which, if this is truly the intent, could support the idea of the character we play as being the bonnie bully from fnaf 4 (?) that’s just my idea tho >¥
Yeah, the hand just looks like a floppy work glove to make it more friendly to children. (Genius precision grabbing, though. Ice cream cones are super weak.)
1:02:40 I wonder sometimes if the entirety of HW2 is actually after the Faz Force collection and the "Do you ever look at your hands?" is implying the player is already Maskbot
Here is a possible flaw with your two theories about who we play as, Circus Baby knows the character we play as. In the second Fazerblast (Western), when you open the present a line from Circus Baby saying you should have known I would have fine you. It is a weird clue that no one seems to bring up, but to be fair I didn't noticed/pay attention to the line until trying to look at the hole again.
Crazy theory time but I think all the spirits that got burned were on the chip that got uploaded to the system and now all the previous spirits just haunt everything because they are everything. Hence why they seem so confused and chaotic because the spirits are constantly fighting for control. In HW2 training endo section and they "choose" who they are, may be one possession, may be more than one, who knows. BUT call me real crazy here, I think Michael or a piece of him is in Sun. You get it? Son? Who else would give us the ultimate dad joke besides Scott? Plus Foxy has been long associated with Michael and who do we see in Foxy's log ride? And in SB, when you collect all the pictures and go through the movie painting, it takes you directly to Sun/Moon's bedroom. Moon is either possessed by someone else or still Michael but more in a childlike mentality, either way, it's someone vengeful/afraid of the dark.
Also, another theory. What if Cassie's dad died sooner than we thought, before SB and what we're seeing in HW2 in the ending of him being killed, is just his memory of it. In the duffle bags there was one that said a team of technicians were going down below the pizzaplex because a ton of power was being pulled down there, but no update. That and even when we take off the mask in HW2, your hands are still virtual, implying you're still not in real life. This links with the theory that Cassie's dad got turned into The Entity trapped in M.X.E.S. These two things fit with Hippo's commentary. "When are you" "Have you ever really looked at your hands". The Entity also moves around like a VR avatar, just like you do in HW2, has human hands that are cut off at the wrist and is working against the mimic trying to stop you from freeing him and looks like a distorted Bonnie. Plus if he's already part of the system and has a grudge against Monty, thats why in the duffle bag notes, Monty keeps busting his legs and jumping from the catwalk for seemingly no reason. He could be temporarily taking control of the animatronics and trying to destroy them, only to be stopped by the mimic. What we're doing in HW2 is being awoken by someone and to become more aware and remember everything after death so we can help Cassie and stop the mimic, but the mimic is too strong at this point. SO first "ending" is seeing your death. Second "ending" is being awoken as The Entity and being aware of the mimic and Cassie's demise.
It would be super interesting, given the Jekyll and Hyde thing (obedient self vs bully self) that merges into a "mature person"/Eclipse. However, I think it could be more of a parallel than a possession at most. Why would Michael care or be jealous of a technician to the point of leaving them stuck in a giant claw machine?
@@bpsaraWell, Moon isn't the one to trap you, if anything it looks like he's helping Vanny trap you, possibly in the M.X.E.S. machine. I also don't see the ghosts as really ghosts anymore, just like glitchtrap and the mimic, they're digital. So they're not completely themselves anymore with human desires or wishes. Moon may not even be Michael, or if he is, a much younger version of himself like from FNAF 4. If Jeremy is already dead by the Vanny ending, then it's more out of convenience to leave him there than to not.
I don’t think Princess Quest IV disproves the idea that PQ ending is canon. I think we misinterpreted what PQ III was. We thought PQ III was Vanessa being freed AND the destruction of Mimic1. I think PQ III was only Vanessa’s freedom. That way, PQ ending can still be canon.
Repressed childhood memories are a thing, especially for traumatic events. Maybe Bonnie Bully didn't forget the event completely, but repressed important details. This could be even more possible if they stop hanging out with Michael after the bite of '83. What IF Cassie's Dad got influenced by the mask for so long that he forgot he was wearing it until he unlocks the Princess Quest door? What if he thought the Pizzaplex was working as usual or at least they were still working to fix it but he got stuck inside the FNAF 6 location without realizing? What if the "earthquake" was the reason he's down there? 1:02:00 I think that Mystic Hippo could be trying to make the protagonist realize they're wearing the VANNI mask more than a "hey, you're in VR!" thing.
I like your podcast and your content. I have one piece of advice/constructive criticism etc which you are free to take or leave. When you have a guest and pull a question like PQ & Vanny, allow your guest to answer first. All the best to you and yours! 🤍
Idea for the look at your hands line! I have no evidence for this just something I thought of on the spot. Mystic Hippo is telling you to look at your hands because you are already a staff bot by the time you are messing with the glamrocks. We know they can do some serious damage because of multiple endings of security breach, and we know most of the Glamrocks will destroy them if they have something they want or are making them mad which would explain why they would kill you in minigames we're you are working with them. Another thing I think is of note is Chef bot's line we're they say "it's so easy a human could do it" it could just be them being passive aggressive, but it could also be them implying your not human by that point. This also explains why you would be working after the Pizzaplex shut down. Why would you go from a cooking bot to a fizz faz maker to a mask bot could be explained by the dress up minigame where you are dressing up staff bots, maybe code could be easily changed for different purposes along with outfits? Idk this is a throw away thought, thought I would like to know what you think
Hot take: I think Glitchtrap is the mimic chip from Sister Location Circus Baby, trying to replicate Elizabeth and infused with her and William's Agony, and maybe Charlie and Michael's Agony is in the Pizzaplex while the children inside Molten Freddy are in the Tangle. That's my current hot take.
One thing else to consider, when Cassie puts on the mask in the beauty Solon, we see her memories from her birthday party and Gregory’s disappearance. So by that logic when we put on the mask in hw2, the minigames from sister location and first aid are memories of Cassie’s dad. Even if you say “but hw2 is a training simulator for new employees”, why would we go through sister location? And if we are playing as Cassie’s dad who is also the Bonnie bully and may also be Jeremy from fnaf 2 and hw1, could he be a technician in circus baby’s, and maybe even the one Henry wanted for in fnaf 6 to burn the place down and escape through the exit he talked about.
YOOOO. I posted about the player character being jeremy from help wanted, well before anyone else (one week after release on reddit). I believe jeremy is bonnie bro too. And i think jeremy frits is ALSO jeremy, bonnie bro, hw tech.
Imagine the horrible luck of a guy named Jeremy who helped kill his friends brother, got bit in the head by an animatronic, sliced at least some part of his face off, then potentially gets murdered by staff bots and becomes the bot that dooms your daughter
most Scott thing to do 14:10: Jeremy Fritzgerald=Cassie's Father=Bonny Bro=Coworker Jeremy=Bite Victim of '87=Mask Bot=Princess Quest Guy=MXES=Jeremiah (parallel)=Phone Dude
43:49 the guy that had his frontal lobe cut out.What if his momories are in side of stap bot, and that is why jerrmy goes back to work there.ANd the princess game is played by the staf bot or that concious
Hi! Could the Vanny we see at the end of PQ 4 actually be Cassie trapped as Vanny via the mask, and not Vanessa trapped as Vanny? It would make sense. Great video, btw 😊
The thing about the memories, though, is that you use them to get the token for PQ4. The Glitchtrap plush doesn't appear to be a memory, like the rest before it, so I think the hijacking by Vanny still fits, even if the scrapped voice is Glitchtrap. You give up the memories to get the token (but also use them to get the Glitchtrap plush). Just because you give Vanny the Glitchtrap plush, doesn't mean that's what the voice intended.
I guess my only concern is: Why would Glitchtrap use two different methods to get the player character? I could see it as an easy "Oh, you'll be useful here (mask bot), but if you prove yourself, you can be my next helper."
Could it be that the player is wearing the VA.N.N.I. mask in both Help Wanted games? Like, it was first developed as a mask for the game and then the company recycled it for training
I think that look at the hands means looking at your hands. Where do you see them? On the NXUS bunny guy. He moves in leaps like how you move in VR and his hands are v similar to what the player’s transparent VR hands look like.
The fact that only in PS5 you can have that line, is a way for steel wool to have some solid ground in telling you, you are stull in Vr, you know? And as you said, that's the defult setting, is kinda funny XD
I have a feeling that the Mystic Hippo's _weirder_ lines are kinda like the main 8 questions to solve Who's Lila. If you happen to not know about one of the greatest unsolved mysteries ever, Who's Lila is a spooky, Meta videogame linked to an ARG containing: other videogames by the same dev; clues on a twitter prophile that lead to secrect endings; symbolisms to the hell and beyond; an executable program that says eerie things about the enviroment as you interact with it; and more. The thing i wanna get to is the Main 8 questions to answer, all of them having to do with solving the game from many different angles in order to find a solution to that question, which leads to bigger clues unfolding as you go. Maybe Mystic Hippo's _Weirder_ lines are supposed to be like that, Anchors of sorts to try to solve bigger mysteries while you answer other, smaller, questions (specially the "i mean _really_ look at your hands" that's messing me up so bad, why did they add such a weird line?!)(but hey! maybe since they took the character of Mr Hippo of all things, maybe it's trying to tell us whatever she's saying is rubbish and doesn't have to make sense! -(copium)- )
Isn't the "REALLY look at your hands" line a gameplay thing to get the player's hands close enough to their face to realize they're wearing the mask and can take it off? Or am I misremembering?
I think the weird gramnar in the beginning of the old man consequences speech is a reference to the legend of zelda first game where the old guy there speaks brokenly too at some points right? because in-game in-game orincess quest and the old guy giving you a swors is all zelda inspired watch Scott actually mixing zelda lore in the franchise to make things even more complicated
You know maybe it is because his face got bit in the bite of 87 that he can tear off his face in HW1. Not many people have the conviction to just tear of his face i think.
Its hard to go back and relisten to these sometimes cause you're never sure which is stuff they havent got to yet, or this is a recent theory. Yeah, Help Wanted 2 Jeremy is the same guy rhat survived the baby rental place job before mike
I think Glitchtrap and the Mimic are very separate. In Ruin I think their goals are the same, but that small argument they have, to me, really demonstrated that they're different people (if person is an appropriate word for these things)
Every Jeremy is getting character. Except the one that you know, along with the bros, set the whole series in motion with his murder😀 Justice for MCI Jeremy
Hi there! Under 5 minutes in and I had to comment. Definitely going to start checking out @idsfantasy who has been popping up in my recommendations. If for no other reason than... "not diagnosed [with ADHD] but it wouldn't surprise me" twins! Can't express how much I feel that, especially the last few years. Yay. Looking forward to going down another FNAF Theorist rabbit hole! (And fwiw, Jeremy the designer is something I've been hearing compelling arguments for elsewhere too, so I'm very excited to explore that. It neatly packages the Candy Cadet story altogether, rather than "this part is Gregory, this part is Vanessa", etc.)
You guys are gonna think I'm crazy, but I personally think PQ 4 represents us killing the Charlie virus. I think Afton is already dead, and when the king says, "what is left that is hidden" he's not talking about some shred of Afton that's still alive (because that would be lame storytelling) he's talking about the Charlie side of the AI. Also, we see a door in PQ 4 that's identical to the one from the end of PQ 3, except now all the purple is gone and only the green part remains, representing Charlie still being alive. The Memory plushies represent Charlie's memories (supported by the fact that they look a lot like the kids from Happiest Day) and lighting their graves represents putting those memories to rest, therefore getting rid of the Charlie virus once and for all. The good ending of HW 2 is us destroying what's left of the Mimic. Vanny is the one who destroys her because she's always been in a constant battle with the Mimic, so it would be a poetic end to their feud. The Ruin DLC is the aftermath of the bad ending, where Charlie is still around, so if we assume that the good ending is canon, that would mean Ruin wasn't canon (which actually makes a lot of sense now that I think about it). Just my theory tho lol
What if Princess Quest 4 was a trap for Vanny? Glitchtrap made a fake one to convince her that there was still a lingering trace of him despite Princess Quest 3, and our character RETURNS the glitchtrap virus to Vanessa, and that's why there's Vanny graffiti in Ruin?
Before nightmarionne was a thing, nightmare existed. At Halloween all the demons show the true form of themselves, just like nightmarionne. Nightmarionne is death itself, watching modern fnaf and what happened.
What if the 5 missing kids who were stuffed inside the animatronics each shared a name with one of Micheal’s friends who had a hand in CC’s death, aside from Fritz and Cassidy. Unless the Jeremy on the tomb stone is CC, because it would be weird if both the missing child stuffed in Bonnie and the bully Bonny kid had the same name.
when she tells you to look at your hands, what if she is trying to tell you that your already a mopbot? you would already have the mask, so the ability to see the real and virtual world before handing it off to cassie....what if this whole time your not so much stuffed in the suit as....maybe your a save file that became sentient because of glitch trap accidentally tripping over the binary code or whatever.....does this sound crazy?
What if the meat in staff bots belongs to the missing children from one of the endings in Security Breach. They are taken apart for more bots to be alive
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The Jeremys can multiply, it’s like mitosis
Don’t give whoever writes the books any ideas
@@Eyes3210-pk6rdoh god they would
Or multiply like rabbits...
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Jeremitosis
The Steel Wool era seems to have a theme of no good deed goes unpunished/the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Also that AI is extremely dangerous and unpredictable, that's something else they seem really focused on tbh
The Mask Bot ending fits perfectly with recent themes. Scott also loves these kind of tragic, almost Twilight Zone-esque endings to his books. Like in Count The Ways or Lonely Freddies. Both end with the protagonist dying/trapped while their loved ones are peacefully ignorant and unaware
In the security breach notes about princess quest, they say something about "after I do that the princess will recognize me" and I think the princess handing over the sword could be the princess "recognizing" them. So I really like the idea that Cassie's dad is the one who left those notes.
Pretty sure that guy was fired
@@januszjanusz536 Yeah he was fired. He probably went back to the Pizzaplex so that he could find the last PQ game because he KNOWS part of Glitchtrap remains. That's just me though
@@Spencycle He still has Vanni mask and Faz wrench, which he wouldn't have if he was fired.
He might have stolen a mask and gone there in secret, after leaving Cassie some money and a note. We already have a bunch of homeless people living inside the Pizzaplex, one more wouldn't make much difference
@@januszjanusz536 The wrench is only in the AR world, so it's not a real object. It could be code generated by the AR network itself, or whatever entity seems to be guiding the player character in HW2.
My two favorite FNaF Theorists on a call talking about FNaF, thanks for both of you for blessing our community with your theories! ❤
that is the only reason I even watched this episode, it's my first one
“Why are you so special” - If it’s Jeremy Fitzgerald, the brain damage that resulted from the bite of ‘87 might also make taking him over like Vanny/GGY impossible. He can be tricked into completing tasks, but he can’t be fully taken over. His ability to resist full control is why he’s special, and why Cassie needs to be lured in to serve as a more suitable vessel.
If he’s the same Jeremy from Help Wanted 1, that might also be how he escaped unlike Tape Girl or Vanessa.
I do wonder though, if Fritz Smith is Mike using a fake name, could Jeremy Fitzgerald be the same? They might both have needed fake IDs, less to hide their identities, and more to pass a older to get the job. I think that Fritz and Jeremy being the Foxy and Bonnie MCI victims has to mean something. So Foxy Bro and Bonnie Bully using the names associated with their mascots might mean something.
And, after the bite of ‘87, Jeremy might have no other ID on him. If his memory was bad enough, he might not know who he was, only what his ID said. If that’s the case, and he’s the play tester, it means there was only ever one Jeremy, just like there was only one Fritz, and one Mike
“What makes you so special?…
No seriously there are at least 2 other Jeremys that we know about, why are you the special one?”
@@KrustyKrabbzy"What makes you so special?"
The brain damage made him a tad special.
Why are you so special - if it's Jeremy Fitzgerald, the rain 🌧️ damage that resulted from the bite of 87 might also make taking him over like Vanny/ ggy impossible.he can be tricked into complaining tasks, but he can't be fully taken over his ability to resist full control is why he's special , and why Cassie needs to be lured in to serve as a More suitable vessel . If he's the same Jeremy from help wanted 1, that might also be how he escaped unlike tape 📼 girl or Vanessa . For real life.
The bullies were already teenagers in FNaF 4, assuming they'd need to be 18 for the job in 1987, they could've easily been 14 in 1983. In fact, I think that's actually on the younger side of ages they could be, so age is definitely not the issue.
I love how you both are so respectful to eachother and each other’s theories!! It’s so refreshing to hear two people talking about their theories to eachother without being toxic (cough cough Twitter)
That's why people like me rarely theorise anymore. People take FNaF lore WAY too seriously.
Be toxic ( cough cough Twitter)
14:50 I dunno Rye, I have traumatic experiences that I absolutely forget about until some token or reminder comes up, and some of those are only like 5 years old. I can absolutely see Bonnie bully forgetting the event from like 50 years prior until seeing the mask again!
YES! i was thinking the same thing. the explanation could simply be ptsd!
tho idk how trauma informed scott and steel wool are lol
I absolutely forgot about until some token or reminder comes up, and some of those are only like 5 years old. I can absolutely see Bonnie bully forgetting the event for like 50 years prior until seeing the mask again.
This! I have literal years of my childhood blocked out because of how traumatic it was, and it's only now in my mid-twenties that stuff's starting to come back.
I agree with ID on Freddy being possessed. He says he will protect you from his angry and confused friends, and that line seems to be meant to indicate that you need to be inside Freddy to go down, otherwise you are killed by the tangle. Which would mean whoever, whatever is in the tangle are Freddy's friends.
34:00 Have we considered that, if the player character is in fact Jeremy from Help Wanted 1, he tried to remove the headset or the mask and whatever implant was inside him at that point to stop Glitchtrap but the transfer had already partially happened? So, Glitchtrap is already in our heads at the beginning of Help Wanted 2, and the collectibles are two paths - we either become a bot or a follower, like Vanessa, by collecting the transformer toys, OR we collect the _memories_ and become *a worthy vessel* of Afton himself. We do things that make Afton see us as more useful than a bot or follower, maybe we share a memory or two (like the 1983 code) and that convinces Afton to give us memories, almost like we are getting to know each other. That brings him to the forefront of our minds, until the end of Princess Quest IV where he has enough form to be picked out and squished, that partial connection to him vanquished from our minds.
Adding to the VANNI mask looking like a halloween mask, the first time we see it, if i remember correcrlty, is during the halloween DLC for HW1, so they could have been trying to tell us that since then
Honestly one of my favorite parts of this podcasts is that the people (ryetoast and guests) are able to freely talk and have fun conversations more as "normal people" and not as "content creators"
On the comparison between the Fazforce Figures and the Memory Poppets:
On one side you have the corporate, commercial, commodified element and the other side is the human, hand made, meaningful side.
That’s always been a bit of a bifurcation in the franchise. It’s an Indy game series that started off with just one guy. But it’s also a massive franchise with a Hollywood film and multiple book series, etc. Fazbear in universe was a little passion project of two men, but quickly became a massive brand with toys, cartoons, etc. There’s the personal story about the Afton’s and the Emily’s, but there is also this big corporation that is willing to cut corners on safety and cover up heinous crimes for the sake of profits.
Eventually these two sides need to intersect. I think that, if we do see a game that touches on FallFest, we might get to see the pivotal moment where William began to hate Henry, and it might have to do with the decision where the company went from a small regional thing to a massive brand.
Ooooh this would be an awesome path to take!
1:08:40 my personal head-canon about the FNAF 4 box is from the FuhNaff video where he compares it to “your special obligations under Paragraph 4” in FNAF 6. And when Scott made a post talking about the box, when he mentions it directly it is in his fourth paragraph… the box IS Henry’s trap! It’s “all the pieces put together” aka all the animatronics and souls, so that they can be burned down and ended (until the following game of course)
Kinda like poetry it rhymes. William Afton loves rabbits, but uses a little bear plushie to make his child feel safe. Now the glitchtrap virus, who looks like a rabbit, uses a little bear to make children and others feel safe.
59:08 Honestly, I think Cassie’s Dad WAS fired. Note that at the beginning of Ruin, Cassie just refers to Fazbear’s as “this old place,” not her dad’s workplace. Makes me think he was fired before everyone else got STAFFBotted, and then returned and got botted himself. Cassie didnt know where to look for him bc he was no longer supposed to be going there
We all assumed that the comic pages confirmed princess quest to be the true ending, but could it mean this is the only one Gregory can’t do?
I actually did a video on exactly that topic!
Or maybe FE decided to use of all of those drawings PQ ending as a trap in order to lure Cassie. Everything in Ruin feels orchestrated
40:14 "maybe I could try to Silver Eyes™this shi" has to be One of the sentences. EVER.
ID has skill in interpreting Candy Cadet's stories in a way that no other one does, with new ways of seeing them that make so much sense and changes what the community thought they knew. I really love some of her takes.
There's one problem I have with Id's interpretation of Cassie's dad being Jeremy. He definitely died.
In Tape 9, Tape girl mentions that there is a LOT of 'ink' on the ground, on Jeremy, and his shirt specifically. Which would lead me to believe that the cuts to his face were pretty major. There is also a mention of the visor still covering his head, which I would assume to be the thing showing him the VR game. If the halloween mask on the floor was in fact the Vanny mask, then it'd mean 1 of 2 things.
1. Jeremy had the Vanny mask stuck to his face (something that doesn't happen without the device m.x.e.s uses to my knowledge), and cut the mask off, leaving his face somewhat intact. He then for WHATEVER reason put the visor that has the game with glitchtrap in it, back on his face.
2. Jeremy had NO Vanny mask on at all, and instead was wearing the visor the whole time. In an attempt to get the visor off his face, he cut his entire face off. Glitchtrap was probably prohibiting him from taking the visor off at all, through whatever means. But all that did was remove Jeremy's face, and leave the visor stuck on his head.
I believe the second option is probably true, as I see no reason for Jeremy to have a Vanny mask in the first place, cut if off of his face, and then put the visor on. And it doesn't make sense for the Vanny mask AND the visor to be on at the same time.
And finally, in Tape 4. Tape girl talks about the guillotine paper cutter, and what they're used for/in. At the end she says she was always scared of losing a finger, and how that seems silly now. To then abruptly mention Jeremy right after. I don't think I would talk like this is someone only cut a mask off of their face and were actually alive and well. Makes more sense to me that Tape girl is talking about Jeremy being dead or close to it after cutting his face off with that paper cutter.
"I was always afraid of losing a finger. That seems so silly now... Jeremy used to do design work. I guess that's how he knew it was there." Is the exact part i'm mentioning.
I THINK this all leads to HW1 Jeremy most likely being dead, or in intensive care. If anyone sees this, feel free to tell me if you have anything wrong with this interpretation! I'd love to hear some feedback.
The only retcon I feel happened “Save him” kid becoming Charlie
1:01:45 you know, I actually interpreted that as a gameplay line and not a lore line! Mystic Hippos whole thing is the eye tracking, so I thought her saying "really look" and emphasizing that was to tell you that where you look matters with her. Since it's never explicitly stated she's the eye tracking demo. If she says it in the PC version then fair, I never got that! But I believe it's only said on the PSVR.
30:50 It's the Sister Location elevator at that point because they modelled it for the trailer and then realised they had no gameplay place to put it, because it's not like the SL games had a separate hub, so they put it in an ending.
Maybe we're all Jeremy inside.
Maybe the real Jeremy was the friends we made along the way
Ok, so this thing about the Occipital Lobe bugs me to high hell.
What Helpi says, is
"New User Detected. Pairing Occipital Transponder[...]" The Important Word here is Pairing, not implanting. Whilst in the next sentence, Helpi says "Lucky for you, the transponder implant allows me to communicate wirelessly[...]", It is never stated that the masks implants you with anything.
It is very much possible, and giving the initial phrasing I'd say even likely, that Cassy already had the implant to begin with.
I can't remember where but someone had the idea that Fazbear Entertainment may have implanted both their employees and customers with those transponders. I specifically remember them mentioning the Daycare being used as a way to do so.
And maybe that explains Gregory's glitched vision when Vanny approaches him?
I think the story about the girl who escapes the witch and comes back could be implying after Vannessa was freed in the princess quest ending, and then came back (maybe to trap the mimic???) and was controlled again.
If the next game involves Fallfest, it needs to either be called ‘Fallfest with Freddy’ or ‘Five Nights at Fallfest’
"The average FNAF character is involved in 1.75 head injuries" is just a statistical error. Jeremy "Head Injuries Georg" Fitzgerald, who might have recieved and/or caused every head injury in the entire franchise, is an outlier adn should not have been counted
I for one am looking forward to FNaF 12: Oops! All Jeremies.
Around 21:44 when talking about Jeremy from Help Wanted 1 being the same guy in Help Wanted 2 and he cut out/ got the vanni mask off of him, why would he be okay with another one being put on him in Help Wanted 2? The player character wearing a vanni mask is a surprise for the irl player but for the in-game person, it shouldn't be, unless it was forced on him, but I don't see any character having that motivation
The whole point with the candy cadet story is that a character willingly went into a dangerous forest that had hurt them when they were younger. So he would’ve willingly put on the mask to help fix glitch traps fuckery. That’s the best I could figure out at least
15:05…..Rewriting the brain of somebody…….Rebuilding the Afton’s….
Me:(Whispers) Vanessa’s dad being named bill in one of the therapist CD’s.
True- and the mother's fate is also left vague in those tapes-
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I assumed that the "look at your hands" line was just a hint to get you to bring your hands close to your face and realize you can take off the mask
Things I think.
1. Seeing the take your vanni mask off poster in help wanted 2 makes me wonder if matpats theory about the cult of glitchtrap will come to fruition in a future game, rather than random people being infected it’s fazbear entertainment llc class V technicians who have their own vanni mask and who can build glitchtrap a new physical animatronic body.
2. Personally I don’t think vanni is a single person but rather a digital entity inside the mask that just wants a physical host body, kinda like venom she can link to a persons mind or with anyone who has a vanni mask so she’s kinda like a hivemind that can possess anyone with her mask.
3. I think security breach will possibly get 3 more DLC’s that take place in 1 night so that would make the equivalent of 5 nights (1 night with the base game, and 4 nights with 4 DLC’s), and with each dlc we play as a new kid that teams up with a animatronic.
4. If Cassie’s dad is the Bonnie bully and possibly Jeremy how old would he be, because in fnaf 4 he looks to be either 14 or 15, and we know that he’s probably the same age as Michael and Michael seems to be a adult possibly in his early 20s during sister location and we know that fnaf 3 takes place 30 years later after the 1st fnaf so I’d imagine he be pretty old, unless he’s immortal in some way like Michael and William that could explain.
5. After seeing sister location in help wanted 2 I started to wonder if it’s possible that glitchtrap has been around longer than we thought even before the first help wanted, in my mind I imagine William during his experiments with the Funtime animatronics he used the mimic1 programming to create a digital avatar inspired by his own original character (springbonnie) and trained it to mimic his own behavior so if anything ever happen to William their would technically be another William around but was trapped in the sister location bunker and never used, years later fazbear entertainment llc finds the circuit board with glitchtrap and give it to silver parasol games to scan in their vr experience and that’s when glitchtrap first appears and is able to take over any tester.
6. I think something that would be cool for fnaf is to make one of the mask bully an antagonist like the Freddy mask bully or chica mask bully.
7. What if the Jeremy from help wanted somehow survived cutting his face off, like what if the glitchtrap virus kept his body alive while he may have been brain dead or something.
8. If vanny is the dark split alter side of Vanessa psyche that follows and obeys glitchtrap why is she the one being shown crushing him rather than showing Vanessa destroying both glitchtrap and vanny and ultimately freeing herself.
8. I personally think that glitchtrap and the helpi AI are 2 separate variants/versions of the mimic1 programming but their trying to reach the same goal, I think their are multiple mimics, the og endo, the mimic v2 versions, tiger rock, glitchtrap and helpi and possibly vanni, also I’m pretty sure everyone agrees when I say the helpi AI is a separate and different entity from the animatronic helpy that’s a good guy.
41:14 IdsFantasy wonders if the Nightmarionne and Nightmarionne Staffbots are connected to a sort of "Dark Charlie " or Charlie's Agony, I would like to point out that one of Nightmarionne's lines in UCN is "I am the fearful reflection of what you've created." The posessed puppet is William's creation, whether he intended it or not, so I absolutely do think the Nightmarionne is Charlie's agony.
now that i think about it, the player being one of the bight of '83 bullies would explain all the nightmarionne plushies? traumatic memories and all that
I could have sworn Monty shows up in ruin in a water section
1:03:02 you likely won’t see this but watching this again I think it’s probably symbolic of guilt in the same way people say “you have their blood on your hands” to mean you killed them, it was your fault which, if this is truly the intent, could support the idea of the character we play as being the bonnie bully from fnaf 4 (?) that’s just my idea tho >¥
Two of my favorite fnaf youtubers! I have to watch them. Both of them. Together, in one podcast.
Yeah, the hand just looks like a floppy work glove to make it more friendly to children.
(Genius precision grabbing, though. Ice cream cones are super weak.)
Is this a crossover episode? OMFG love you guys
1:02:40 I wonder sometimes if the entirety of HW2 is actually after the Faz Force collection and the "Do you ever look at your hands?" is implying the player is already Maskbot
Here is a possible flaw with your two theories about who we play as, Circus Baby knows the character we play as. In the second Fazerblast (Western), when you open the present a line from Circus Baby saying you should have known I would have fine you. It is a weird clue that no one seems to bring up, but to be fair I didn't noticed/pay attention to the line until trying to look at the hole again.
Ahhh I love hearing both of your thoughts and theories! Thanks for giving my brain something to think about while I work❤
Crazy theory time but I think all the spirits that got burned were on the chip that got uploaded to the system and now all the previous spirits just haunt everything because they are everything. Hence why they seem so confused and chaotic because the spirits are constantly fighting for control. In HW2 training endo section and they "choose" who they are, may be one possession, may be more than one, who knows.
BUT call me real crazy here, I think Michael or a piece of him is in Sun. You get it? Son? Who else would give us the ultimate dad joke besides Scott? Plus Foxy has been long associated with Michael and who do we see in Foxy's log ride? And in SB, when you collect all the pictures and go through the movie painting, it takes you directly to Sun/Moon's bedroom. Moon is either possessed by someone else or still Michael but more in a childlike mentality, either way, it's someone vengeful/afraid of the dark.
Also, another theory. What if Cassie's dad died sooner than we thought, before SB and what we're seeing in HW2 in the ending of him being killed, is just his memory of it. In the duffle bags there was one that said a team of technicians were going down below the pizzaplex because a ton of power was being pulled down there, but no update. That and even when we take off the mask in HW2, your hands are still virtual, implying you're still not in real life. This links with the theory that Cassie's dad got turned into The Entity trapped in M.X.E.S. These two things fit with Hippo's commentary. "When are you" "Have you ever really looked at your hands".
The Entity also moves around like a VR avatar, just like you do in HW2, has human hands that are cut off at the wrist and is working against the mimic trying to stop you from freeing him and looks like a distorted Bonnie. Plus if he's already part of the system and has a grudge against Monty, thats why in the duffle bag notes, Monty keeps busting his legs and jumping from the catwalk for seemingly no reason. He could be temporarily taking control of the animatronics and trying to destroy them, only to be stopped by the mimic.
What we're doing in HW2 is being awoken by someone and to become more aware and remember everything after death so we can help Cassie and stop the mimic, but the mimic is too strong at this point. SO first "ending" is seeing your death. Second "ending" is being awoken as The Entity and being aware of the mimic and Cassie's demise.
It would be super interesting, given the Jekyll and Hyde thing (obedient self vs bully self) that merges into a "mature person"/Eclipse.
However, I think it could be more of a parallel than a possession at most. Why would Michael care or be jealous of a technician to the point of leaving them stuck in a giant claw machine?
@@bpsaraWell, Moon isn't the one to trap you, if anything it looks like he's helping Vanny trap you, possibly in the M.X.E.S. machine. I also don't see the ghosts as really ghosts anymore, just like glitchtrap and the mimic, they're digital. So they're not completely themselves anymore with human desires or wishes. Moon may not even be Michael, or if he is, a much younger version of himself like from FNAF 4.
If Jeremy is already dead by the Vanny ending, then it's more out of convenience to leave him there than to not.
21:50 Eh, that Scraptrap video was kinda mid. Couldn't get past the cringe VTuber avatar.
But seriously, thanks for the shoutout!
Well thank /you/ for making a really solid theory video!
I don’t think Princess Quest IV disproves the idea that PQ ending is canon. I think we misinterpreted what PQ III was. We thought PQ III was Vanessa being freed AND the destruction of Mimic1. I think PQ III was only Vanessa’s freedom. That way, PQ ending can still be canon.
Repressed childhood memories are a thing, especially for traumatic events. Maybe Bonnie Bully didn't forget the event completely, but repressed important details. This could be even more possible if they stop hanging out with Michael after the bite of '83.
What IF Cassie's Dad got influenced by the mask for so long that he forgot he was wearing it until he unlocks the Princess Quest door? What if he thought the Pizzaplex was working as usual or at least they were still working to fix it but he got stuck inside the FNAF 6 location without realizing? What if the "earthquake" was the reason he's down there?
1:02:00 I think that Mystic Hippo could be trying to make the protagonist realize they're wearing the VANNI mask more than a "hey, you're in VR!" thing.
I like your podcast and your content. I have one piece of advice/constructive criticism etc which you are free to take or leave. When you have a guest and pull a question like PQ & Vanny, allow your guest to answer first. All the best to you and yours! 🤍
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44:54 I thought this was due to the Tangle having a Freddy head , that he found himself.
Idea for the look at your hands line! I have no evidence for this just something I thought of on the spot. Mystic Hippo is telling you to look at your hands because you are already a staff bot by the time you are messing with the glamrocks. We know they can do some serious damage because of multiple endings of security breach, and we know most of the Glamrocks will destroy them if they have something they want or are making them mad which would explain why they would kill you in minigames we're you are working with them. Another thing I think is of note is Chef bot's line we're they say "it's so easy a human could do it" it could just be them being passive aggressive, but it could also be them implying your not human by that point. This also explains why you would be working after the Pizzaplex shut down. Why would you go from a cooking bot to a fizz faz maker to a mask bot could be explained by the dress up minigame where you are dressing up staff bots, maybe code could be easily changed for different purposes along with outfits? Idk this is a throw away thought, thought I would like to know what you think
Hot take: I think Glitchtrap is the mimic chip from Sister Location Circus Baby, trying to replicate Elizabeth and infused with her and William's Agony, and maybe Charlie and Michael's Agony is in the Pizzaplex while the children inside Molten Freddy are in the Tangle.
That's my current hot take.
Great episode! Also I personally like to imagine Jeremy possesses Glamrock Bonnie.
One thing else to consider, when Cassie puts on the mask in the beauty Solon, we see her memories from her birthday party and Gregory’s disappearance. So by that logic when we put on the mask in hw2, the minigames from sister location and first aid are memories of Cassie’s dad. Even if you say “but hw2 is a training simulator for new employees”, why would we go through sister location? And if we are playing as Cassie’s dad who is also the Bonnie bully and may also be Jeremy from fnaf 2 and hw1, could he be a technician in circus baby’s, and maybe even the one Henry wanted for in fnaf 6 to burn the place down and escape through the exit he talked about.
YOOOO. I posted about the player character being jeremy from help wanted, well before anyone else (one week after release on reddit). I believe jeremy is bonnie bro too. And i think jeremy frits is ALSO jeremy, bonnie bro, hw tech.
22:50 tbh retcons doesnt mean thing become invalid, Roxies face could be a retcon as long as its explained later on
Really great to hear both your thoughts. Love your theories.
Imagine the horrible luck of a guy named Jeremy who helped kill his friends brother, got bit in the head by an animatronic, sliced at least some part of his face off, then potentially gets murdered by staff bots and becomes the bot that dooms your daughter
I like the idea that Glitchtrap thought his rabbit persona looked friendly and approachable, because that's how most mascot suits looked in the 80s
Gregory was most likely *around* for the help wanted 2 stuff due to the fact that the mimic uses Gregory's voice to lure cassy vs her dad's.
most Scott thing to do 14:10:
Jeremy Fritzgerald=Cassie's Father=Bonny Bro=Coworker Jeremy=Bite Victim of '87=Mask Bot=Princess Quest Guy=MXES=Jeremiah (parallel)=Phone Dude
43:49 the guy that had his frontal lobe cut out.What if his momories are in side of stap bot, and that is why jerrmy goes back to work there.ANd the princess game is played by the staf bot or that concious
Hi! Could the Vanny we see at the end of PQ 4 actually be Cassie trapped as Vanny via the mask, and not Vanessa trapped as Vanny? It would make sense. Great video, btw 😊
The thing about the memories, though, is that you use them to get the token for PQ4. The Glitchtrap plush doesn't appear to be a memory, like the rest before it, so I think the hijacking by Vanny still fits, even if the scrapped voice is Glitchtrap.
You give up the memories to get the token (but also use them to get the Glitchtrap plush). Just because you give Vanny the Glitchtrap plush, doesn't mean that's what the voice intended.
I guess my only concern is: Why would Glitchtrap use two different methods to get the player character?
I could see it as an easy "Oh, you'll be useful here (mask bot), but if you prove yourself, you can be my next helper."
Could it be that the player is wearing the VA.N.N.I. mask in both Help Wanted games? Like, it was first developed as a mask for the game and then the company recycled it for training
It turns the "remeber Jeremy" line into "[do *you*] remeber, Jeremy" as in hey do you remember this stuff dude?
I think that look at the hands means looking at your hands. Where do you see them? On the NXUS bunny guy. He moves in leaps like how you move in VR and his hands are v similar to what the player’s transparent VR hands look like.
Wouldn’t the voice be old man consequences because you need the poppets/ memories for the secret ending?
35:00 wait a second, could the ice cream hand be Jackie's hand?
Rye and ID podcast let's goooooo
The fact that only in PS5 you can have that line, is a way for steel wool to have some solid ground in telling you, you are stull in Vr, you know? And as you said, that's the defult setting, is kinda funny XD
glitchtrap continues with his evergrowing fursona collection
I have a feeling that the Mystic Hippo's _weirder_ lines are kinda like the main 8 questions to solve Who's Lila.
If you happen to not know about one of the greatest unsolved mysteries ever, Who's Lila is a spooky, Meta videogame linked to an ARG containing: other videogames by the same dev; clues on a twitter prophile that lead to secrect endings; symbolisms to the hell and beyond; an executable program that says eerie things about the enviroment as you interact with it; and more.
The thing i wanna get to is the Main 8 questions to answer, all of them having to do with solving the game from many different angles in order to find a solution to that question, which leads to bigger clues unfolding as you go.
Maybe Mystic Hippo's _Weirder_ lines are supposed to be like that, Anchors of sorts to try to solve bigger mysteries while you answer other, smaller, questions
(specially the "i mean _really_ look at your hands" that's messing me up so bad, why did they add such a weird line?!)(but hey! maybe since they took the character of Mr Hippo of all things, maybe it's trying to tell us whatever she's saying is rubbish and doesn't have to make sense! -(copium)- )
Isn't the "REALLY look at your hands" line a gameplay thing to get the player's hands close enough to their face to realize they're wearing the mask and can take it off? Or am I misremembering?
I am late to this but i love this podcast at times i just need something in the background to listen while i do some stuff and this helps
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Hey, IDs back again!
I think the weird gramnar in the beginning of the old man consequences speech is a reference to the legend of zelda first game where the old guy there speaks brokenly too at some points right? because in-game in-game orincess quest and the old guy giving you a swors is all zelda inspired
watch Scott actually mixing zelda lore in the franchise to make things even more complicated
it's dangerous to go alone, take this (hands bunny mask)
20:30 so does she also misidentify obvious blood as ink because she mentions the mask in the bright room with "ink".
You know maybe it is because his face got bit in the bite of 87 that he can tear off his face in HW1. Not many people have the conviction to just tear of his face i think.
Also, maybe next intro. "I am the Host with most toast, Ryetoast."
More tongue-twister-esqe, and you indeed do have the most toast.
can you imagine if the "frontal lobe" was that one retcon
lovely video, hope you do more of these
Its hard to go back and relisten to these sometimes cause you're never sure which is stuff they havent got to yet, or this is a recent theory.
Yeah, Help Wanted 2 Jeremy is the same guy rhat survived the baby rental place job before mike
You Know What The Mimic Reminds me of?
Those Commando Droids From the Clone wars.
Ya know the ones that could also mimic voices.
I think Glitchtrap and the Mimic are very separate. In Ruin I think their goals are the same, but that small argument they have, to me, really demonstrated that they're different people (if person is an appropriate word for these things)
YES! I AM SO HAPPY YOU MENTIONED THE B7-2 THEORY OF VANNY!!!!!
ID: "I think I'm talking way too fast right now"
Me, listening at x1.2 speed : "nah, I don't think so"
Every Jeremy is getting character.
Except the one that you know, along with the bros, set the whole series in motion with his murder😀
Justice for MCI Jeremy
Hi there! Under 5 minutes in and I had to comment. Definitely going to start checking out @idsfantasy who has been popping up in my recommendations. If for no other reason than... "not diagnosed [with ADHD] but it wouldn't surprise me" twins! Can't express how much I feel that, especially the last few years. Yay. Looking forward to going down another FNAF Theorist rabbit hole! (And fwiw, Jeremy the designer is something I've been hearing compelling arguments for elsewhere too, so I'm very excited to explore that. It neatly packages the Candy Cadet story altogether, rather than "this part is Gregory, this part is Vanessa", etc.)
You guys are gonna think I'm crazy, but I personally think PQ 4 represents us killing the Charlie virus. I think Afton is already dead, and when the king says, "what is left that is hidden" he's not talking about some shred of Afton that's still alive (because that would be lame storytelling) he's talking about the Charlie side of the AI. Also, we see a door in PQ 4 that's identical to the one from the end of PQ 3, except now all the purple is gone and only the green part remains, representing Charlie still being alive. The Memory plushies represent Charlie's memories (supported by the fact that they look a lot like the kids from Happiest Day) and lighting their graves represents putting those memories to rest, therefore getting rid of the Charlie virus once and for all. The good ending of HW 2 is us destroying what's left of the Mimic. Vanny is the one who destroys her because she's always been in a constant battle with the Mimic, so it would be a poetic end to their feud. The Ruin DLC is the aftermath of the bad ending, where Charlie is still around, so if we assume that the good ending is canon, that would mean Ruin wasn't canon (which actually makes a lot of sense now that I think about it). Just my theory tho lol
Someone made a video pointing out how something mystic hippo said points towards mxes being our help wanted 2 character
What if Princess Quest 4 was a trap for Vanny? Glitchtrap made a fake one to convince her that there was still a lingering trace of him despite Princess Quest 3, and our character RETURNS the glitchtrap virus to Vanessa, and that's why there's Vanny graffiti in Ruin?
You can't move or reason without your frontal lobe. So no moving or figuring out arcade cabinet mysteries.
And facial recognition doesnt exist in the 80s
Before nightmarionne was a thing, nightmare existed. At Halloween all the demons show the true form of themselves, just like nightmarionne.
Nightmarionne is death itself, watching modern fnaf and what happened.
It probably watches us because so many soul's were left behind at Freddy's
What if the 5 missing kids who were stuffed inside the animatronics each shared a name with one of Micheal’s friends who had a hand in CC’s death, aside from Fritz and Cassidy. Unless the Jeremy on the tomb stone is CC, because it would be weird if both the missing child stuffed in Bonnie and the bully Bonny kid had the same name.
The box contained the final proof for Dream theory but there was huge push back against dream theory so he shelved the idea.
Thank you for this collab!
There's never enough ID
when she tells you to look at your hands, what if she is trying to tell you that your already a mopbot? you would already have the mask, so the ability to see the real and virtual world before handing it off to cassie....what if this whole time your not so much stuffed in the suit as....maybe your a save file that became sentient because of glitch trap accidentally tripping over the binary code or whatever.....does this sound crazy?
THEY TURNED WILLIAM INTO A MARKETABLE PLUSHY
I think the lore of the franchise has NEVER been clearer
What if the meat in staff bots belongs to the missing children from one of the endings in Security Breach. They are taken apart for more bots to be alive