Southwest 737-800 SAN to DAL emergency landing with NO FLAPS (only leading edge slats)
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- Southwest Airlines flight WN1865 (5/25/23) San Diego to Dallas Love Field, loss of landing flap controls, which caused several go arounds and ultimately a "coming in hot" landing that took the entire runway to stop. Great job by the entire crew to get us down safe.
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NOTE: Obviously I am not a pilot.
There's actually no need to worry about because pilots practice for these emergencies and I'm sure that they were sure that they had a long enough runway to safely land on. Also the plane has to go a certain speed to make sure that they did not stall and they did a great job of making a good landing without landing very hard.
It was dumb to land at DAL and not go to DFW. They were trying to save money. The -800 needs a lot of runway to land with all the flaps working. Why cut it so close? The good news is they had the leading edge devices working. That is what allows you to fly the slowest. The trailing edge flaps don't really make a huge difference.
@@CockpitScenes
The rear flaps make a huge difference! As evidenced by the speed at touchdown!🤡
@@ld5954 They are called trailing edge flaps. What was the speed at touchdown? I have 10,000 hrs. in this airplane. How about you?
@@CockpitScenes
Sure you do!😂
@@ld5954 Here are 35 videos of me flying the 737 on my RUclips Channel: www.youtube.com/@CockpitScenes/videos
A no flap landing on a dry, 8800 foot runway like 13R is pretty much a nothing burger. Pilots practice no flap landings in the simulator regularly.
It may have looked like there was "Just a little bit of runway to spare" if you're used to turning off at C4, but before committing to landing on 13R, there was a calculated positive stopping margin required by not only SWA procedure but literally by Federal Regulation. Watching C3 go by, it certainly looked like your crew could have made it if they really needed to. They were certainly at taxi speed well before C2.
The reason they didn't turn off earlier isn't because they **couldn't** it's because there would have been brake cooling times associated with the no flap landing. The more brake energy used, the longer the cooling times. Hot brakes can on rare occasions increase the risk of melting a fuse plug, so why risk it when there's still lots of runway in front of you?
If runway length had ACTUALLY been an issue the crew would have elected to divert to DFW a few miles away, with a 13,400' runway available. (FOUR of them actually)
They ran the landing calculations based on no flaps and whatever other abnormal conditions may have existed, weight, DAL 13R, RCC's, weather etc and determined landing was perfectly safe, with acceptable stopping margins.
There was never a question of not being able to stop safely.
If there had been, they wouldn't have attempted it and would have gone somewhere else.
The DFW metroplex has multiple airports with runways significantly longer than 13R at Love. DFW, Alliance, Carswell.
I appreciate the extra information!
The reason we have pilots is because not just anybody can think all that shit through while at the helms of an aircraft with a problematic hydraulic system. I think thats the point of the video, not the runway length.
Llll
@@sebastieng-r9764 Flap malfunctions, as with any abnormal, have a checklist. It's not a memory item. The pilots ran what SWA calls Performance Weight and Balance calculations, as they do for every landing. The difference here obviously was the inclusion of a non normal condition. The "Thinking through" part came in when they absolutely, 100% considered runway length. Lots of other things go into the decision of where to land, like weather, bingo fuel, CFR, passenger handling just to name a few. They would have coordinated with their dispatcher after running the appropriate checklists and PWB. But in this case, the point of the "pilot's thinking" absolutely included runway length near the top of the list. Whether or not that was the point of the video is a different question. Had their destination been BUR or SNA or MDW, trust me, their "thinking" would have included a diversion.
@@achmedbincouscous2846 I feel sorry for non-pilot passengers in these situations. To pilots this is a non issue of course. But to normal passengers the pilots suddenly become "heros'".. Umm nope, just doing their job, they have practiced every type of malfunction in the simulator over and over.
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👍🏽👍🏽 Despite not having Flaps, and Slats extended, The Pilots Made a Fantastic Landing. So Happy that Everyone is Alive and Doing Well!!🤗💞
Or maybe it was the computers that landed the plane and the software engineers should get credit. 🤷♂️
@@joeq.public281It was the pilots the instruments don’t make the plane wobbly like that.
@@joeq.public281 The computer did not land the plane. Besides, it is easier to land without all the flaps - less drag.
They had slats extended.
@Cockpit Scenes WTF? Never changed an acft brake have you?
What an amazing landing!! You can hear the relief in the flight attendants voice!! You were cool as a cucumber! I think I would have been crying! Fantastic pilots!
Wow you stayed so calm. Good coverage and good pilots. Glad all went well.
I grew up in FW. Very impressed they landed at Love Field with no flaps.
I mean it’s sw why wouldn’t they
Not normally..
@@Laken.fishing Because the runway is short. It was a stupid move.
They should have gone to DFW.
@@CockpitScenes if the performance charts says they can safely land on DALs length of runway then why was it a stupid move?
Southwest Pilots really know the 737.
It helps that that’s the only equipment they fly.
Great video and great commentary! What’s amazing is that everyone stayed so calm which is a blessing. Has to 😊 military pilots.
The first 17 minutes are of the plane circling to burn off fuel.
The interesting part begins after that.
Awesome landing - coming in fast but not needing reverse thrust!
There is no evidence they were doing that in the video. If this happened on arrival to DAL, they were probably on fumes when they landed.
@@CockpitScenesno evidence of what?
@@YTREWQ17 "circling to burn off fuel". They may have requested delaying vectors to run checklists, or coordination with maintenance to troubleshoot the problem. Flights are always planned to land with minimum fuel, so he was probably short of fuel when he landed.
Thanks for recording this! I’ve never been on a hot landing with no flaps. Amazing.
Nothing burger
I really like Southwest Airlines.
The planes are clean, the pilots are well trained, friendly and professional.
And the crew are friendly and very accommodating.
I'm in Canada and whenever Im planning a trip to the US, I drive across to Buffalo just to fly on Southwest.
Great airline! ❤
#facts
You and the other passengers seemed very calm I think I would have been crying but I’m glad everything worked out for a safe landing
Glad those pilots got you guys down safely with runway to spare. Thanks for sharing this experience, scary but happy those passengers and crew are alive. Now live your best life.
Never had any doubt when I saw no flaps. That is a walk in the park for those Southwest Pilots!
Although most always used on larger planes if the runway is long enough they are not needed. It does make for a more precision approach. Great job Southwest!!
Ok folks, I'm sure there are a lot of armchair pilots still just dying to comment about how bad this whole thing is. Let me assure you that as a pilot, you're trained to deal with every kind of scenario you can possibly imagine. Years ago, I was flying a Cessna 172 in the pattern as a student pilot and we had a flap failure. I had flown the flaps up scenario a few times before and so I wasn't concerned about the failure. My instructor asked me if I wanted to land and if it would affect me flying. I told him no that I was perfectly fine and wasn't worried about it. During the debrief, he told me that he was very impressed with my flying ability. The point it that things like this happen and it's nothing to worry about (normally).
This video demonstrates the level of skill and professionalism you can expect from Southwest pilots and crew. VERY nicely done!
Just gonna land a bit faster than normal. My nephew is a SW pilot. He says not a problem! Glad it was a safe landing.😊👍
Fantastic job by the pilots for getting it down not only safely, but smoothly, and with runway to spare!
i landed last night from a trip in calm weather, this was a butter landing, must be ex military pilot, the landing i had i the same type was much harder
That landing was so fast! I've flown before tens if not about a hundred times but this scared me even through the video! Well done SWA crew!
This is actually the normal approach speed on a gusty day with a full load on a 737-900.
@@CockpitScenes let me know where the airspeed indicator is in this video
@@YTREWQ17 I have flown the 737-700, 737-800, 737-900, 737-900ER for well over 10,000 hrs. I know what the normal approach speed for the -800 and the -900 is. The speed for the -800 with no trailing edge flaps is Vref 40 + 40. This is about the same speed as a -900 on a gusty day. The -900 has a much higher approach speed than the -800. Don't need no stinkin' airspeed indicator to know that.
@@CockpitScenesyou need to calm down in this comment section my god..... no one cares even if you built the damn 737. The point is, the pilots calculated for the current gross weight and weather conditions that DAL was safe to land at and not even close to taking a "chance." You can bet they took a look at DFW as well and (even though DFW has longer runways) and probably determined DAL was perfectly fine to land at. You were not in the flight deck with them.
Southwest pilots and crew are 5 Stars.
^^^
The flight attendant on speaker: "And if you wet or messed yourself the bathrooms are right by our exit gate as you walk out! Thank you for flying Southwest!" 😅😅😅
Glad you and everybody aboard is safe... wishing you Safe travels for the future....... 🙏
Man 17:37 on that short final you guys were ZOOMING in! Talk about “coming in hot”
Shows the skills of the pilots in stopping the plane on the runway - well done!! 🏁 🥇
When I was a younger I went on vacation with my dad, stepmother, and my baby brother and we always took SoutthWest Airlines and the crew were always treating everyone like family!
Glad y’all landed ok and got off that flight safe and sound ❤️
I had a flapless landing a couple of years ago… No matter how many times you practice it in the simulator, it’s still crazy to see how much runway it eats up!
Ate up that whole runway... amazing.
The Harlingen, TX airport runway is the longest, South of San Antonio. It would come in handy in a similar situation.
My Brother-in-law is a Captain for Delta….he trains constantly. Does all kinds of scenarios. He was a Navy Pilot from Top Gun…Miramar. He’s been flying a long time. Told me today he’s never had an issue ever….amazing. But I know that he constantly goes to training. So I put my life in their hands ….they want to live too.❤
Wow. Top Gun Miramar was a long time ago!! TG has been at Fallon for ages. I was Naval Aviation at NASNI/ Coronado.
Glad you all had landed to your destination safely with a default flap 😁👍🇺🇸. God bless you brother for keeping calm and sharing this video with us, Ameen 🤲
Seemed like a pretty standard approach, but the plane did take a lot longer to come to a stop. Good piloting and very safe landing.
Bravo to the Pilots and Cabin Crew!
Excellent pilots. Southwest pilots are top notch.
A little bit of emotion at the end, I guess so! Coming in at that speed is no joking matter. Nice video, thanks for sharing.
i understand that Love field is the base for southwest but I really think the better option would have been to just land at DFW in this situation but great job.
That's what I was thinking👍❤✈
Both airpots have long runways. There's no difference between Love and DFW.
@@erauprcwa DFW has 13,000' runways...big difference.
@@erauprcwathere's a big difference... as big as a 6000 foot difference, which means a lot when you're trying to land a 737 without flaps. If I was the pilot in this situation I wouldn't risk it
That’s not very true. If you were to land at DAL then southwest has the maintenance center there. If you land at DFW they don’t have a maintenance hanger there. So they would have to fly it there anyway. So technologically not very true.
Thanks for sharing. Glad to know y'all are ok and also great job to the pilots
With all the comments of a safety margin(true), you were still correct that they did a go around to burn off fuel. Estimating needed fuel for contingency. That said, you had experienced pilots and it was a good running calm commentary. Oh. It was fantastic videography. Steady hand and proper view.
Good job. Hope you made your connecting flight.
I want this pilot my next flight .
Enjoyed the video. Great pilots. Chill pilots. I love Southwest!
The good thing is you’re alive to tell the story
It sounded like the pilots didn't throttle back much on landing. Definitely seemed like a faster then normal touch down. Good job guys 👍👍
Great video Brian! Thank you! And without a doubt the best pilots!!!
Wow what an amazing video. Those pilots and air crew did a fantastic job of getting it to stop without any further incident.
Really it was a non issue.
Well done darling! And everybody seemed cool as a cucumber! Excellent!
Very good job . I fly a lot out of Shreveport Louisiana and I have only had one mishap, a bird strike. But I wasn't able to video it for my channel.
you flew over addison, the first airport you saw was DFW. You are going to DAL. If you fly, suggest you revisit your approach charts.
I don’t know about you, but I actually love those CFM56-7B jet engines.
Great video! Would you be okay with me featuring the landing in my series Weekly Dose of Aviation? Of course you will be credited both in the video and in the description. Thanks!
Sure thing! Send me a link to it as well so I can check it out!
@@BeedeePizzle Forgot, uploaded it 4 days ago, but thanks again!
such a nice human interaction guys! interesting video & nice to see such a high speed so close to the ground, I bet for the pilots it was like "let's see what this baby can do!", just like when you drive your car faster than usual while coming home from work lol
Those are some great military trained pilots God bless them
Wow!! Praise GOD y’all landed 🛬 Safely! I’m surprised they didn’t use DFW as an option. Much longer Runways. Great Pilot 👨✈️Skills.
The front flaps are called the Leading Edge Flaps. An aircraft can land perfectly fine without flaps by simply slowing the approach and touching down sooner. What they cannot do is land loaded down with fuel. The aircraft would be too heavy. Even with fully operable flaps, speed brakes, reverse thrusters and max breaking, and a landing speed at or slightly above stall speed still could not slow the aircraft down enough to allow the pilots to safely taxi the aircraft.
The reason you were in an orbit around the airport was to dump fuel so they can be light enough to make a safe landing. If you pay close attention to rear of the wrong, you can see the fuel being dumped from the tanks. It takes awhile to dump fuel.
Also, there are no increments in reverse thrusters. They're either engaged or disengaged. There are no max reverse thrusters. A Boeing 737, which is all Southwest files only have one set of tires on each landing gear strut. Since it has a tricycle configuration, the amounts to three brakes and six tires, four main and two nosewheel tires. Not enough tires or brakes to be able to slowdown safely to taxi speed with full fuel tanks. So the protocol requires near empty tanks, speed brakes and an emergency checklist that is a mile long on the procedures for an emergency landing. Every commercial airline transport pilot must go through rigorous training on emergency procedures before they fly for the first time and regular training in simulators and check rides yearly our more with an FAA certified examiner to ensure each pilot knows and understands the proper procedures and checklists to follow on the event of an emergency. Losing flap control is an emergency, but a very routine emergency. Obviously when a pilot is descending from the cruise altitude, no flaps are used. But when a pilot is on final approach is when flaps come into play. Flaps allow the aircraft to approach the runway at such a slow speed that it could not otherwise fly without stalling the wing and dropping out of the sky. Extended flaps literally make the wings wider to keep air flowing under the wing to sustain flight at slow speeds and to compensate for the drag on the airframe. However, with speed brakes and the retarder, also known as reverse thrusters Thayer push the jet wash forward instead of backward to slow and gently applied brakes on the gear so the gear doesn't catch fire from overheat due to friction, the pilot can still safely slow the aircraft to a safe stop by landing long before the threshold and using most or all of the two or more miles of runway as I'm sure you discovered. You had a safe landing. I'm glad that was only a minor problem that you experienced. Pilots are trained to land without flaps. Also those small tabs you call flaps are not flaps but balance tabs and ailerons. The balance tabs keep the wings level in flight. The ailerons turn the aircraft left or right. When you see the wrong raise or dip, the aircraft is turning left or right. One aileron tab raises and other lowers. Say you want to turn right. The left aileron tab lowers to catch the air to push up the left wing. The right aileron tab raises to capture less air and allows the right to lower as air escapes from under the wing. But they are definitely not flaps.
Most of the landing procedures will still be the same as a routine landing. However, as you pointed out, the landing will probably be extended a few miles, up to ten miles sooner to increase the drag coefficient, depending on the weight and weather conditions among the other calculations.
After the gear came down and you turned left, the aircraft was energetic a left downwind pattern too enter into a final pattern to get in line to land. There is a two mile separation between aircraft and since you're flying IFR, the pilot is preparing for a precision final approach. Once the aircraft is cleared to land, the aircraft follows an assigned glideslope down to the runway after capturing the glideslope signal. A 737 can actually land itself without pilot interaction. But in your case, the pilot has probably declared an emergency which means he or she has priority landing. All other aircraft are ordered clear of the pattern so there its no possibility of a collision or other issues with traffic and it also allows for emergency equipment to be able to move freely to be ready to assist the emergency aircraft. All traffic nearby traffic is halted after being cleared from the emergency area.
That was a perfect landing and roll! You had a couple of amazingly awesome by the book pilots!!
Sorry you missed your connecting flight, but better alive and safe and inconvenienced, than experiencing injury or worse, right?
Actually the equivalent would be a greyhound bus trying to slowdown on ice with summer radial tires instead of snow tires. The bus can still slow to a stop safely, it'll just take longer and the driver will have to brake a lot sooner.
For those who don’t know, the landing flaps slows the plan down for landing. As the plan drops altitude it increases speed, but the flaps slows it down. Without flaps you have to raise the nose. So this plane is going over 200 miles per hour. Landing speed is under 150 mph.
I'm more impressed they went into DAL instead of the longer runways at DFW or Alliance. I totally understand put it down where your maintenance base is if you can! He also got the weight down doing the go arounds. Awesome capture!
Man, they were going so fast on approach! Kinda scary
I wonder what was the speed? Usually in a regular landing is about 150 mph. What was the speed here?
Thanks for your video Sir
Either way, great job! Hands up for the entire crew!!!😊😊😊
So glad you and everyone landed safe. Flight emergencies can be really scary.
Wow that was interesting good job documenting it
That was awesome !!! Glad everyone was safe !!! 🎉🎉
Wow, I felt like I was on the Flight with you. Great narrative. Praise God. You guys were okay.
"C'mon little 737 you can do it" My palms are sweaty. 🙌
Awesome job Captain
Yay! You made it safely. 🍃
Smooth as butter!!
I had ever faith they had it under control 🙌🏾 Great job flight crew
The difference between a full flap landing and a no flap landing is a different setting on the auto brake knob. Plenty of runway space.
Glad y'al didn't end up on the Flight Channel ! Well done pilots
Great job pilots
WOW! Incredible! Glad everything went well. I would need to drink a bottle or 2 of wine after all that.
Glad you made it down safe man
Smooth as silk.👏👍
A quick check Online shows normal touch down speed of 130 knots so plus 55 knots would make it 185 knots.....depending on weight, but possibly double the landing distance.
Maybe they should have fitted a manual flap control wheel somewhere in the avionics bay for such an emergency?😲😳
Wow that's really something but glad the airplane touched down safely and I'm getting ready to fly into Dallas love field on Friday afternoon
The BEST pilots!!!
I wonder if investigators used your video, and if they have determined what caused the flaps to not deploy. Thank you for sharing your harrowing experience.
Great narration.
You don't need flaps to land in normal conditions. They just allow you to come in at steeper angles without increasing speed and also help lower your stall speed. Speed of the aircraft is controlled by pitch and and altitude is controlled by power. Just like when flying a smaller plane like a Cessna 172 it's pilot's discretion of if and what stage of flaps to use during landing. Also the pilot's did a great job. That's a big aircraft to land without flaps.
P-8 Guy here i am glad everyone was calm
14:20 It appears to me the pilots are trying to run through their check lists and fix the issue with the flaps before they attempt the landing.😁
Absolutely right on!
Thanks for sharing
Great landing!
Expedited landing! Love it!
ASYMMETRY AND SKEW DETECTION AND PROTECTION
The flap/slat electronics unit (FSEU) continuously monitors the position of wing
leading edge and trailing edge high lift devices. If a device on one wing does
not align with the symmetrical device on the other wing, there is an asymmetry
condition. A skew condition occurs when symmetrical leading edge or trailing
edge flaps do not operate at the same rate causing the panels to twist during
extension or retraction. Should a skew occur, the FSEU automatically protects
against roll by maintaining flap symmetry
I'm sitting in my living room crying, screaming, praying
Sheesh. I thought I was next to you on the plane
Perfect Landing! Pilot deserves another stripe for his shoulder flash.
I like that vantage point
This would of been a problem at LaGuardia airport, because the runways are only 7000 feet long. Many planes came short of the water, and some ended up in the water.
Despite the emergency.. that was the smoothest landing ive ever seen
Great landing,great airline southwest ❤
Well done and glad you all got home safely
The ideal landing speed for the 737-800 (depending on weight) is about 130-140 knots, you'll be fine.
Just got to experience that today on my southwest flight to dallas love field😅
No-flap landing - when you absolutely, positively need to be there on-time.
Thankfully the ground crew didn’t have to resort to the tailhook capture cable.
That's a joke - right?
@@CockpitScenes Of course that’s a joke. Everyone knows there is a huge, human cannonball net at the end of the runway if needed.
@@davidpatton7298 Yes, of course I knew that...
Awesome pilots ✈️👍🏻
Please will you turn on closed captions? ✈
Also, does everyone on the flight know what's going on?
My nephew flies for Southwest. I am so happy the pilots had a safe landing. I have a fear of flying, but will fly somewhere less than 3 hrs. Were the passengers calm?
This is when you want a seasoned pilot