Is there a mistake, on AMD test 3 we see results of GA II LCD on top, next on the final page the results are different for there GA II LCD. Otherwise great video and seems to me that dram lower temp is what is best for CPU freq. Underrated channel for sure!
Hi Raiko, welcome to my channel spot on. I copied the wrong data on AMD Test 3 for the Galahad II LCD. the correct data is on the final page which is correct. Thank you, you have sharp eyes. btw, with the correct data on the final page, the GA II LCD still holds the rank 3 title. Thanks again.
@@KleoYan I posted this on r/hardware - someone removed it. Those moderators there are grown up children. I got one comment stating that Arctic is the best and only Gamers Nexus is trustworthy. I replayed that the tests differ and are not comparable and the whole post got removed.
@@raiko3412 so sorry to hear that. This was my test in my country and as mentioned it could defer based on country climate maybe. Part of the reason I did this test as I read this www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/liquid-cooling/arctic-liquid-freezer-iii-aio-review/2 so to test it with my own.
@@KleoYan It is totally fine mate, I could not care less what trolls of the internet think of me, and I would still be the first to defend their right to have an option. You keep up the good content and the subs will come one way or another.
@@raiko3412 Thank you and to be honest, I am just like any other normal PC Builder, I want to know myself, how much can I trust reviewers out there. You see, most mentioned they have tested, present a graph and talk about it. I will admit that I am sceptic to trust their reviews. I have my fair share of falling into this catergory where I trusted those reviews and have purchased those PC item. Those ended up, I was not getting the performance as stated. The results maybe due to the climate I am at, that's the reason why on my benchmark reviews. I will not only show the actual benchmark but to state very clearly that it's tested in a "Hot and Humid" country. By the way, thank you for sharing and the support, greatly appreciated it very much 👍👍👍
I have never seen such detail testing on Liquid AIO. You are one rock solid reviewer, I never regret to have sub to your channel. Every review you did, you went beyond what others did. Thank you Kleo for these critical information.
Wow, Kleo! Unreal how much Work, Time, and Effort you put into this video! I subscribe to support you! Your work is a real Gem! One comment - I have no idea how You operate normally at 30C! :) In my country, Bulgaria when temperatures are over 33, the Government releases warning codes for the whole country - Extreme Heat! :)
Hi Radoslav Ivanov, welcome to my channel. It's pretty normal for us here in Singapore. In general, we use house domestic fans to cool ourselves down, but the air are warm. Thank you for your feedback and to have subscribed to my channel.
Another solid, well thought out, informative review. As always, thanks for testing on both intel and amd. As others have said, noise normalized tests would have been great to include. Hopefully we can get those in the near future. Wish the companies would let you keep the AIOs longer. Keep up the great work.
Hey is Mr. T Cas, welcome back. I wish I can redo as some have requested to do noise normalize test on the pump and fans. I see what I can do. By the way I've not forgetten about the P14max on LF3. Sorry to have you wait, but will do that soon with a big shout out to you 😉
I have been really impressed with Deep Cool AIOs over the last few years. I would consider EK, but only if I knew my money was going to pay an employee. Love the new Deep Cool Mystique. Excellent performance and a great display.
Hi Mergatroid Mania , welcome to my channel. Thank you for your input and sharing. Yup Deepcool AIO are catching up the market fast. I am impress with their LT720 for a very long time. As for the new Mystique, I do like the display which is very easy to use and it's simple. I have yet to test for it's longevity but I believe it will be of the same as my LT720 😁
Hi Mergatroid Mania , welcome to my channel. Thank you for your input and sharing. Yup Deepcool AIO are catching up the market fast. I am impress with their LT720 for a very long time. As for the new Mystique, I do like the display which is very easy to use and it's simple. I have yet to test for it's longevity but I believe it will be of the same as my LT720 😁
@@muhammadfikrifadhiltv2433 Hi and welcome to my channel. the Deepcool LT720 is good enough and with power limit settings. with your 14700K you can follow the settings just like the setting I shown on the 13700K.
@@KleoYan I see, thanks for the quick answer. Will subscribe now
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As so many others already said, what a great review and thanks for all the time and effort spent in making it! I have a 13900K where I struggle to keep the temp down. Currently using a Corsair iCUE H150i Elite LCD but thinking of replacing it with a new AIO and based on the results of your test, the one from EK is at the top of my list. Of course hard for you to answer when you didn't have the AIO I'm currently using in your test but would be interesting to know if it would be worth replacing it. Thanks again for the awesome review and I would highly appreciate any advice from you my friend!
Hi Richard Åsberg, welcome to my channel. You are right about not able to test your Liquid AIO. Before you jump into changing an AIO, do you mind to let me know how your setup is, as in which case are you using and how you place fans and the Liquid AIO in your case? The reason I've asked as case airflow plays an important part too. something which you might want to try. 1) Maybe give it a try to do vcore offset which I have done here at timestamp 04:04. 2) As you can see I am using CPU thermal pad and not thermal paste in this content. If I am to use thermal paste, the result will even be better. This my method to apply thermal paste and it did aid some of my viewers to get better thermal results. timestap 02:20 ruclips.net/video/xZ2R4roF1_Q/видео.htmlsi=f0BYVMfTCFdEDXS_&t=141 once again thank you to have visit my channel.
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@@KleoYan Wow, that was a quick response and thanks so much for trying to advise despite the lack of information. My setup consists of a Corsair 500D case with the 360 AIO in front as intake, 2x140 mm in top as exhaust and one 120 mm in the back also as exhaust. I spend most of my time in MSFS which is quite CPU intensive. During normal sessions, I see the temp reach 85-90C and when running Cinebench R23, 100 C is quickly reached with throttling. I've already tried undervolting which helps a bit but no more than a few degrees and with a lower score in CR23 vs stock settings in BIOS. So this is the background where I thought maybe a better AIO would help me. As for thermal paste, I'm using Grizzly Kryonaut Extreme.
Hi welcome back and thanks for the info. Your case setup is pitch perfect, no adjustment needed, infact your setup is by far the best method to cool down a highend processor, but at this point of time I am unable to recommend you for the EK Liquid AIO. as I do not know the characteristic of Corsair iCUE H150i Elite LCD. What if you did get the EK nucleus and ended up Corsair beats it or it it just 1 to 2 degrees improvement.I am terrible sorry, I can't suggest on changing the aio, if you do decide to go with EK, I hope for the very best for you.
Hi NAP Oficial, welcome back. Infact yours and my viewers' support are more important to keep me going. Yup, those brands who supported me, they are open to suggestions to improve. I have tried a few other couple but failed to gain their support. Nevertheless thank you for your valuable feedback and support👍👍👍 🙂
Hi User, welcome to my channel. I am still currently using Liquid Freezer II and not III. As it quiet and does it's job. I also prefer to use 280 instead of 360.
@@KleoYan Thanks for responding! But can't you set the LF3 to 30-40% pump speed to achieve similar results as the LF2 in terms of cooling performance and noise?
@@KleoYan So if you reduced the LF3's pump speed to match the noise level of the LF2, its cooling performance would be worse than the LF2? That's disappointing, especially now that LF2 seems to be more expensive than LF3.
@@User-ys7cb In general, any Liquid AIO pump, should not drop the pump rotation below 80% and it's best to run it consistantly instead of having it at PWM. this will prolong the pump longevity. As for why the LF2 is more expensive, I have no idea on this. The reason I kept using LF2 is becuase, the thermal performance is good on both AM5 or Intel plaftorm.
Great videos on the Lian Li series fans controllers etc. I spent most of the 20s and 30s in Singapore. I have been gun-shy on buying any more Lian Li AIOs. After my Gallahad 2 performance pump noise issues that no reviewers ever commented on.
Hi CajunSands, welcome to my channel and thank you for your feedback. Infact the issues on pump noise. so long any AIO pump goes above 2880RPM, noise will start. Most of the time I kept my pump to run consistantly. I do not allow my pump to follow RPM Curve based on temperature, at all times to have it 80% full speed. Alot been mentioning to me about their Lian Li Liquid AIOs but from day one which I had those AIOs and testing them. I have no issues and it's already been more than 3 months and I am still using the 280 Galahad II LCD in my sonic theme build. I have no issues with the AIO pump noise and it's consitantly running at 2880RPM. www.reddit.com/r/MontechPC/comments/19esupr/project_montech_king95_pro_sonic_the_hedgehog/ . For majority as why the pump is noisy or damage in a short period of time are 1) Using PWM Curve on pump, the fluctuation of the motor speeds will degrade further in a short period of time. 2) to run to it's max over 3000 ~ 4000 RPM. the speed is too fast which again will heat up the motor coil and again degrade of get damage easily at a short period of time.
Hi Topssauro, welcome to my channel. Noise is up to individual. I will go for the Arctic Liquid Freezer III 360, infact best is 280 as it make use of 140mm fans which you can run them at lower RPM but still pushing tons of air through the radiator. Do note, not much people like to use 280 as it can look weird in a case if it's too empty.
Awesome job and effort man! Wish you included NZXT kraken as it's one of the best and good priced AIO out there, hope you could include it as a part 2 maybe?
Hi SAIF ADAILH, welcome to my channel. Thank you for your valuable feedback, greatly appreciated it. As for part II, if NZXT do reply to me and to provide their 360 unit, yup I can do that. Thank you again 😉
Another fantastic content. Ain't you worry about brand that does not agree to your content and new brands will fear to let you have samples? To be frank, you are one of my favourite tech reviwer. I have no doubts not to trust you. Thank you Kleo.
Hi Nox Mu, welcome back. Thank your for trusting and the support. Greatly appreciated it. As for your question, I have my principle on doing tech content. I do not like to be controlled and to speak something which is not true. I find no point doing tech reviews and to outsell a product. Reason is, someone might purchase an item due to influence, but later found out that the product is not said to function. If branding are not able to accept my truth, they are not worth my time either. It is only those brandings who accept feedbacks, be it positive or negative and to improve on their products, then these are the brands we can trust. Anyway in most of my content I use my consious and will only speak what's right. Nevertheless, thank you for your support and concern. 😉😉👍👍👍
Thank you for posting this video. Random question for you Arctic Liquid Freezer 420 vs EKWB CR360 Nucleus? Which would you rather have? I can get them both for the same price ($130) CPU is an AMD
Hi @TerenceGrier, welcome to my channel. both work out well, the issue will be space in your case. If case allows the 420, I will go for 420 as the fans do not need to ramp up that high to produce static pressure. It runs quiet too.
How is it that Arctic 360 is running different pump rpm's? On intel system it runs at the static rpm of 2800rpm, and on the AMD system the pump speed is 4285 rpm? That is a difference of 1485 rpm between systems when the manual clearly states it runs 2800 rpm static on a pump header. Why is their such a huge difference between it on AMD versus Intel? It is cooling 237 watts on intel and only 188 watts on AMD. I feel like I got ripped off by all the reviews of the new Arctic Liquid Freezer 3, I ultimately decided to purchase it when Gamers Nexus put up its review touting it as the best liquid aio cooler on the market. Is there any setting that is being manually adjusted to turn the pump above what it is specifically rated for in the manual? The thing that really sucks is that on top of it not being able to keep the i7 14700k cooled properly under the motherboards default bios which is intels fault, Arctics vrm cooler doesn't seem to cool the vrm or any components down versus what we are seeing in these test results versus other aio makers.
Hi Adam Rose, welcome to my channel. If you watch the recording benchmark on both intel and amd for Arctic Liqiud Freezer III 360. the pump is above 4K RPM. Reason for me to put 2800, by right it should be showing 2800± as shown on their actual specs and Arctic have confirmed with me that the pump is showing incorrectly. thats why i miss out on the AMD data. it should be running at 2800± and not 4K .. watch both the recording of Intel part one and AMD part one. you will find the pump is at 4k +. Also I have not done any drastic settings in UEFI on the pump and fan. Pump I let it run at full speed and as for fans, I have set it to run full when it's over 60°C
@@KleoYan I appreciate the response. You do a great job at reviewing, I didn't think you did anything to create the difference just wasn't sure if it was just a bad reading or error caused by the amd bios or something else. Thanks again and great channel.
We've had a 360 Galahad II Trinity on an i9 12,900k for almost a year now. Hard daily driver machine gets ran very hard by one of the kids. Not a single issue and it really lets the i9 open up. Real really like the Lian Li stuff its our go to. 👍
Hi HARD MACHENDISE, welcome to my channel. Yup thats what I intend to do.. sustain all settings to be of the same configuration in UEFI on both Intel and AMD and the open bench on my desk is marked.. so in future is there are new AIO, I will pull this list and to fill up the new AIO into the list.
Talk about going the extra mile ... sick testing and impressive work, hope some models get an optional updated mounting kit for the platform they perform worst on (looking at you Artic Cooling :) )
@@nixtc Hi and welcome to my channel. Thank you for your kind words and I am glad you like my content. About the rework on Arctic Liquid Freezer III for Intel. I do hope so too. Thanks again to drop by my channel 😉
Just a suggestion: It would be nice if the temperature be shown as "delta over ambient". Would be easier to relate the temperature performance if we were to purchase the AIO in our respective country. Also just purchased the GA II performance and hope it can perform well on my 13700K too (sg too!). Thanks for the video and keep up the good work!
Awesome work! When you had the GA II LCD installed, did you notice a lot of noise? I am trying to decide between the GA II LCD infinity vs the Kraken Elite. Reading reviews and seeing the GA II LCD has software issues and is quite loud but found one cheaper than the Kraken so not sure what to do yet.
Hi Poeshyn, welcome to my channel. I have been using the 280 Galahad II LCD for the past few months. no noise no issue. just need to set the pump to run at 2880RPM consitantly. www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/19f113a/sonic_the_hedge_hog/
HI paalo sordoni, welcome to my channel. Yup, someone did suggested it and I will take note on this next time. For now I got to return those AIOs, else I will execute as per suggested by my viewers and you. Thank you for the suggestion, greatly appreciated it. 😉
Hi Leo, welcome to my channel. both that you've mentioned will work fine.. it greatly depends on which AMD processor you are getting, but if you are to ask me between the two you've mentioned, I will go for EK Nuclues
Hi Kleo, been puzzling on how you managed to get the average CPU clock speed at 5.0Mhz on intel 13700k. Mine is also intel 13700k but when including the P and E cores, the average is always 4.75Mhz. How you manage to get that stats in Hwinfo? Just purchased the GA II performance and trying to compare if mine is producing the similar results. Thanks.
Hi DS, welcome to my channel. The reason I am getting 5Ghz on average is due to the good bin chip which i use ASRock motherboard to detect the quality of the 13700K Processor. it rated at Quality 82% as compare to some others which are at 76% max. With a better bin chip. the Vcore you pull will be must lesser to push higher clock speed. maybe watch this and you will understand ruclips.net/video/Esfw8JlPNFk/видео.htmlsi=HU0cQq_rshvnjYtV&t=2050 time stamp 34:10
@@KleoYan Thanks for the quick reply! Good info on the bin but im using the MSI motherboard, it can't detect it. My guess would be for the P-core + E-core average to be 5mhz, the P-core will be around 5.6Mhz. Asus motherboard "auto" settings must be quite aggressive. XD With my MSI motherboard, P-core is lock at 5.3Mhz and E-core at 4.2MHz (all default settings), average will always be 4.75MHz.... even @ 100% load with zero throttling T_T
@@pohtk2004 yes Asus board are agressive but not the ProArt. That's part of the reason why I use the ProArt on this content. It's a mature and sensible board. this apply to some ASRock board. my Z790 Sonic PG which I am using are only at 50A and it's able to delivery stable frequency of my 14700K. This is my acutal rig www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/19f113a/sonic_the_hedge_hog
@@KleoYan Hi Sir! Just to follow up regarding the confusion. I've previously looked at the "Core Clocks" average column instead of the "Average Effective Clock" current column in the HWInfo. My average effective clock hovers around 5,020 ~ 5,060 Mhz @ 245w cpu package drawn power (-0.05v offset as well). Hope that's normal!? Thanks again for the great videos! Keep up the good work! :)
Fantastic video, mate. Much appreciated. I'm just a bit confused with the top 3 in Intel, I feel the GA LCD should be in spot 2 according to this. What a surprise this Eskimo, but the pump is running at over 5k!! I wonder how loud it gets.
Hi Shady Gouda, welcome to my channel. I have tested numerous of times with these AIOs I had. dismount and to remount, inclusive of the backplate for intel. I've gotten the same results, that why am so sorry to disappoint you on the GA II LCD. now as for the loudness of the Geomatric Future. I don't really have a sound test on the pump but I do have an overall noise test with the aio inside a case. You might be interested to view this content ruclips.net/video/hAVIZrZI-V0/видео.html
Hi Shady Gouda, do pardon me to have confuse you as for the GA II LCD, I've done two separate platfrom and on Intel, I have remount the liquid AIO for 3 times, inluding the backplate but still getting the same results. As for the Geomatric future, I do not have the noise test but I do have the overall noise test which might interest you ruclips.net/video/hAVIZrZI-V0/видео.htmlsi=ngKatOl-SSLhnSy6 😉
Hi ms9chf, welcome to my channel. Someone did request this and I do apologize. I should have include the noise test. I am unable to asnwer your question so sorry about it.
I have 4 of those (well, technically, the LS720), plus 11 more that I'm going to be testing soon. To be fair, I have 3 from Enermax and 2 from Thermalright. Let's see what happens!
Hello The PC Expert Amateur, welcome to my channel. Once you’ve done the testing. Share your RUclips link to my email at godzylatech@gmail.com it’s always good to see other aios too. Btw as why my email is because, if you share your YT link here. The whole message will be deleted by RUclips. So ya, awaits for your test results.
@@KleoYan hi Kleo. It'll take some time to get it done. I'm currently testing variations of the use of the glass panels and dust filters on my Corsair 5000x. After that, I'm going to test where to place 5 Antec Storm 120mm fans in my case. Once I've got that figured out, I'll mount each AIO in the optimal configuration, and I'll test it with both stock fans and Megacools. As for links, I assume you mean that you have disabled links for your channel, correct?
@@ThePCExpertAmateur nope I have no idea how to disable or to enable. Nevertheless welcome for my test by others 😉 thanks for sharing my channel to yours 👍
@@KleoYan YW! You're in luck; here's how to turn on/off links: Studio>>Settings>>Community and scroll the to bottom. "Block Links" is down at the bottom.
@@AdrianPragacha to be honest. As why am I using a i7 13700K, it runs hotter compared to 14700K and as for 14900K, It's hard for me to tame with any liquid aios which is 360 variant. you can give EK Nucleus CR360 but dont expect to have temperature that is below 88 degress. so far best to use 420 liquid AIO on 14900K. This only apply to hot and humid country.
Even if EK have bad reputation recently i just don't care and i've take their CR360 Black AIO and it's the best buy that i've made, i've replaced my NH-U12A for this one and my room doesn't up so much like before and my CPU stay always below 65 degrees ( 13600K with an UV -0.100.00 ) I can literally take a 14700k now, NH-U12A was really good but CLEARLY not as good as my new CR360. I've tested the LFIII from Arctic before buying the EK AIO and the Arctic was simply bad, the contact frame that they put with this AIO is simply bad and the pump are louder than the pump of EK, even at low level. I can just recommend the EK CR360 but one thing which i really didn't like about the EK is the stup*d build mechanism, when you want to remove the pump on the motherboard, screws come with the pump and you really need to do that carefully, i've already build 2 CR240 and 1 CR360 and when you remove, same story, it's not perfect about that.
Hi Aquilαe, welcome to my channel. Thank you for your input, greatly appreciate it. Yes I do find the mounting mechanism the same as you've discribed. Myself have this issue too, but it's very minor, just need to use pilers and to unscrew the standoffs from the mounting bolt. I too don't really care about EK reputation now as what I have experience on EK Liquid AIO, they are reliable.
Hi Aquilαe, welcome to my channel. thank you for your feedback and yup EK does have it's good reputation over Liquid AIOs as I've witness this myself on their EK 360 Elite. About the mounting of the CR360. I do have issues too when removing it. the retention bolt will unscrew the standoffs too, if it's too tight, but that's minor, can just unscrew them with a piler and screwdriver. Well in every AIO there will be some flaws here and there, that's where they need feedbacks and to improve on. Thank you again for your input 😉
@@gz-techsg2353 Exactly ! that's what i'm talking about, it's not an issue from our units but an issue of their mounting system, i prefer by far the mounting system from Noctua but hey, nothing is perfect (unfortunately) Weird thing is that their old mounting system doesn't seems to do the same thing when we remove the pump. About the Liquid Freezer 3, i was really disappointed when i tested the 240mm and the 360mm version, noise from the pump start to get loid very quickly even at low RPM and i prefer the noise from the pump of the EK. Overall the plastic of the pump of the EK is cheap (it get fingerprints and scratches quite quickly) so you need to be careful with it but overall, my 13600k never go above 65 degrees, it's insane, compared to my NH-U12A that get more than 80 degrees, my room temperature is 26~ (very small room)
First of all, my friend, I appreciate you very much. I've been watching you for a long time and I've been watching almost all your videos.. 👍 As for what I want to say about the video, I have been a DeepCool LT720 user for the last 1 year.. Obviously, I was very, very satisfied, then I bought a Mystique 360 and I've been using a Mystiq 360 for a short time.. When I gave the LT720 to him because my friend's corsair H150 broke down, he liked the LT720's performance so much that he bought the LT720 =)) In my own tests, when I use the fans that come with the Mystique 360 with the LT720, it shows exactly the same temperature values.. I'll get there, the LT720 is an excellent CPU cooler, you add performance even just by changing the fans. I wish you would have done a test review by changing the fans of the DeepCool LT720, it would have been great.. I really appreciate Deepcool, there are great Price Performance products available.
Hi Seddoo, welcome to my channel. I totally agree with you, the LT720 is a good liquid cooler and it's reliable. As for changing the fan to either of deepcool AIO, I can confirm it out perform the original fans that comes with both Deepcool AIOs. Just that I wanted to keep everything original. Once again thank you for your input and suggestion. Greatly appreciated it 👍👍👍
Hi Seddoo, welcome to my channel and I totally agree with you. Deepcool LT720 is indeed a very good cooler and durable too. As for the Mystique, I believe it will be the same too, plus the display application is easy to use. Thank you for your valuable feedback. 😉
@@KleoYan Yes, I agree, what I'm talking about would definitely be an extreme test. As a viewer of your next videos, I would like to ask you to please test the Asrock Taichi X670E & Z790 "if the conditions are right". I hope Asrock will send you the necessary components quickly.. Thank you so much for sharing detailed and reliable content in each new video. In addition, a small but important one, it would be great if you also add information about which languages are available in the Language Options of the Bios screens and how many in all subsequent motherboard introductions.. Many people's knowledge of English may not be enough, I have friends who prefer different motherboards even just to see the Bios in their native language. Motherboard manufacturers should pay more attention to this. People should be able to read a complex-looking screen at least in their native language.😏
@@Seddoo hi thanks for the reply. As for ASRock. I did try to ask for their Taichi Z790 and X670E, but unable to get the loan unit as there are no demo set. I will try to ask again and no promises. Thank you for your suggestion.
Hi maxsun z370, welcome back and thank you for the info. but be it OEM Asetek, the construction of fans might be different, therefore perform differently. Thanks for the info and feedback.
I hate my new Lian Li with the large LCD screen lol I went and bought a new Kraken last night. No idea why but Lian Li cpu temp is actually the cpu package temp that is so annoying
Why am I seeing the arctic liquid freezer iii Radiator fan speed not on 100% like the others! if it's hittin 100% it would be around 2k RPM, Also how is the pump RPM is higher than the factory specs! it shouldn't exceed 2800rpm @23:01 , but the test before these results had the arctic liquid freezer ii logo, something isn't right here bro Also @10:11 how's eskimo aio pump shouldn't be exceeding 3080 RPM with 10% added, how is it hitting 5.5k rpm ! and somehow as well the Arctid LF3 RAD RPM is no where near 100% RPM, it should be hitting minimum 2250 RPM inclusive of the -10%, how is that even possible! somehow it have the RAD RPM speed of the LF2 and the pump speed of the LF3
Hi svudi, welcome to my channel. First of all for P12 fans they are at max 1800rpm fans and for the pump rpm which you have mentioned. they are for Rev 2, what I am having is the original where the sensor are having issues to read the pump RPM correctly. if you can see the actual intel and amd run in this content they will be way above 4000rpm. as for Ekimo pump i had it for like few months before and it's running this way. I have run all these pumps at 100% without tweaks.
@@AaronGrady-e1o hi and welcome to my channel. Wow that bad? Hmm 🤔 how did your connect your liquid freezer III 280. Are you using the split connector or single connector?
@@AaronGrady-e1o try using split cable. Set the rpm of the vrm fans lower, Leave the pump at 100% rpm. As for radiator fans, it’s up to you to configure. I have mine set to either turbo profile in Asus board, performance in ASRock board, MSI or gigabyte to manual setting on the fan curve.
@@AaronGrady-e1o If you find the pump is loud, set it to 80% instead of 100%. just make sure the pump is running consistently and not on PWM. you wouldn't want to pump motor to goes up and down rapidly as this will wear and tear the pump motor which is not good in prolong run.
Hi diogenes carvalho, welcome to my channel. Thank you for the suggestion. I've tried asking from coolermaster but no response, therefore unable to test it.
Hi Rakanay, welcome to my channel and not really. There are AIO which are cheaper than Arctic and can out perform it too. But nevertheless thank you for your feedback.
Good job! Realistically, which spec actually is the most important? Yes, we have to keep the CPU from getting too hot, and these all did a great job of keeping the CPU in the 80s. However, you used test benches, which means that the results aren't representative of an encased PC. Still, it gives us something as long as your room is climate controlled, right? But how much of a discernable performance hit did the test benches take with each AIO? If there is no discernable decrease, then it doesn't matter which AIO we choose. How many lost command processings are required before you'll notice a difference? Power drawn doesn't tell us, either, since it just lets us see that the cooler your CPU, the more power that will be drawn for what - a few more MHz of invisible performance? This is not a criticism of what you tracked or how you ranked them, Mr. Yan. At this time, IMHO, when you're within a few degrees of the best, it doesn't matter. But is that correct? For my testing, I'm also trying to figure out what we really need to focus on. So, did you notice anything? Perhaps if you record each thing and do a side-by-side viewing to determine at what point the difference is clearly visible, then we can say that, yes, for a pro gamer that temperature is better than this temperature. But does it make a difference for any other gamers? It'll make a difference for people working on AI, doing 3D rendering, CAD, and other very high workload stuff as long as the GPU and VRAM are also being kept cool, but not for the masses. So, can we really say that the Geometric Future is the worst for AMD, and the Arctic LF3 and ID-Cooling Space are the worst for intel, and then say it matters when talking to the masses, or is there effectively no difference for them? I suspect that people who do casual gaming, watch movies, browse and do simple stuff in an Office suite aren't going to see any difference. Do you agree? Looks like ID-Cooling should've chosen a better AIO to send! I suggest you get a Thermalright AIO to test, and I recommend the Frozen Magic Scenic V2 (or the Frozen Notte, which is just slightly worse), and one of the ones with a weaker pump. My testing demonstrated that the Notte is so well-designed that even putting on one of the best fans - the Super Flower Megacool - only improved performance by 1-2 degrees on Intel! (I don't have an AMD machine yet).
Hi The PC Expert Amateur, welcome back. These are to answer your questions. Q1) Realistically, which spec actually is the most important? Yes, we have to keep the CPU from getting too hot, and these all did a great job of keeping the CPU in the 80s. However, you used test benches, which means that the results aren't representative of an encased PC. Still, it gives us something as long as your room is climate controlled, right? A1) What you’ve mentioned I have considered, in actual run, yes, in enclose case, my temp will goes up, unless I have done up proper airflow in a case. Each individual has it’s own method to do fan curve for their case. This is why I choose to use open bench. What if others take my temp if it’s in a case and finds out theirs are different? So to prevent margin of errors, I have stated very clearly. All AIOs will be tested at the same open bench, in same room temperature, the arrangement of how the AIO is position and at the same spot. The key factor that others will argue, I should run both AMD and Intel at default settings. To me it’s the same even if I controlled them both. It will still show the temperature differences. Addition to this, each AIOs I’ve tested are not just mount and go. I deliberately did 3 to 4 times dismounting and mounting the pump block and doing recording each time, picking the best temp which I have recorded and to present in this content. It takes dedication, time and effort to do this. Q2) But how much of a discernable performance hit did the test benches take with each AIO? If there is no discernable decrease, then it doesn't matter which AIO we choose. How many lost command processings are required before you'll notice a difference? Power drawn doesn't tell us, either, since it just lets us see that the cooler your CPU, the more power that will be drawn for what - a few more MHz of invisible performance? A2) You might see that a slight increase of Mhz is not important but it does tell how much the system will pull according to how much cooling you have provided. My point on this content is to illustrate which AIO is able to absorb more heat and to provide better cooling provided. Better cooling means allowing the system to pull more and push further. Maybe to some is little or no much difference but there are still a difference and in a long run. Only when doing work load stuff, you will then appreciate the power drawn and to push your processor. You will not see these on gaming, watching movies and such. Q3) This is not a criticism of what you tracked or how you ranked them, Mr. Yan. At this time, IMHO, when you're within a few degrees of the best, it doesn't matter. But is that correct? For my testing, I'm also trying to figure out what we really need to focus on. So, did you notice anything? Perhaps if you record each thing and do a side-by-side viewing to determine at what point the difference is clearly visible, then we can say that, yes, for a pro gamer that temperature is better than this temperature. But does it make a difference for any other gamers? It'll make a difference for people working on AI, doing 3D rendering, CAD, and other very high workload stuff as long as the GPU and VRAM are also being kept cool, but not for the masses. A3) Again you have pointed out some points which are very specific. Again I have limited time to do all these you’ve mentioned. This content is not about plugin to a system with specific usage on a PC. But for content creation and 3D render, this content does help to determine which AIO should I go for. Q4) So, can we really say that the Geometric Future is the worst for AMD, and the Arctic LF3 and ID-Cooling Space are the worst for intel, and then say it matters when talking to the masses, or is there effectively no difference for them? I suspect that people who do casual gaming, watch movies, browse and do simple stuff in an Office suite aren't going to see any difference. Do you agree? A4) Yes in general, it does not matter but it will matter when you are doing more workloads like blender, 3d rendering programs and such. It does matter even if it’s few degrees difference. Maybe 87°C from 83°C is not a lot but for prolong time usage it helps to prolong your processor lifespan. Q5) Looks like ID-Cooling should've chosen a better AIO to send! A5) If I have more choice I would but I was not entertain when I request from ID-Cooling. You might argue, since I purchased the EK Nucleus, why not this? I have aid others on pc builds and have tested EK Nucleus while building those pc, that’s why I dare to purchase it as it’s a known AIO to me. As for ID-Cooling, I have no track records of this AIO at all, it’s my first time. I thank you for taking up the time to write out and I have my stand to test these AIO. You have mentioned about your method of testing and is in progress. Once it’s done, do share it with us and don’t mind send me your content link at godzylatech@gmail.com. Once I view it and find it good info, I will share your content with my viewers. Thank you!
@@KleoYan Mr Yan, thank you for taking the time to respond - I really appreciate it. You made a lot of excellent points and I agree with you. I think you didn't realize that when I said I wasn't criticizing you, I wasn't just referring to that one section - I meant that for your entire video. You did a good job and I know how hard it is, and how much time it takes! I've been working on testing just ONE AIO since shortly after I received it post-Black Friday. The reasons for this range from fixing mistakes, learning how to improve my methodology, switching benchmarking software, doing a very long series of tests on which AIO configurations will get the best results - one that I admit I have delayed due to struggling with anxiety, and I've restarted because I detected a fatal flaw and figured out how to deal with it, and also because testing just one configuration takes about 1 hour and 15 minutes - assuming I don't make a mistake that forces me to start over, and the current iteration, which I've so far completed 55 configurations, including 4 duplicate runs to try to isolate anomalies, and 15 "special" configs where I remove panels and/or mesh and/or block one of the 3 mounting options (top, front, side), and tomorrow I will try to complete the rest of the tests in which I want to run a few more special tests. I don't agree with the use of a test bench. There are certainly advantages to doing that, especially for convenience of changing things. However, I know that MANY testers actually do it that way, so my disagreement is in general, not you in specific. I have observed that test benches may sometimes give results that don't always seem to line up with what testers who don't use test benches get, which suggests that the completely different airflow has a way of altering results. Is this true? I don't know - I don't have a test bench with which to run comparisons. I would like to explain that it is my feeling. It is based primarily on confined airflow that has to move between and around various barriers that are absent in a test bench, especially a horizontal one, but also on observations I made while running tests on various fans on a Noctua U12A - when I remove the left-side panel, I got results that demonstrated that the lower a component was in my 5000X, the more it benefited. So, while the improvement for the CPU, VRMs and motherboard as a whole weren't significant, the maximum temperatures for the GPU were up to 3 C better than the other results (except one that was most likely an error or anomaly because it makes no sense at all, it's so low!), and the average temperatures were better by up to 2.5 C. Admittedly, just like a tiny change in MHz is not significant, 2.5 C doesn't make a difference for the average user, but it will help those who are really heating up their computer on a regular basis, and it can potentially make a difference in the lifespan. But, as you correctly asserted, those tiny differences are still important. This is because they allow us to say, however marginally, that AIO A is better than B. I do not dispute this and I do the same thing. My questions were not an attempt to debunk or criticize your results. I am looking for answers. In my testing, I have not focused on watts - ever. Watts don't really seem to be productive, except to demonstrate the power consumption. I settled on CPU & thread usage, and clock speeds. As it turned out, these things were much more useful in helping me to detect anomalous results than they were in helping me to determine what was better. And, of course, they serve the same basic function of proof to viewers. I track ambient temps, too. There is absolutely no way that any of us testers can ever give definitive answers for everyone because, as you know, there are too many variables. Even if I lock everything that I possibly can, things will still happen that I can't control. Even if I can figure that out, my results are only REALLY directly relevant to some people. The more I move in the direction of testing in isolation like a lab does, the less my results are relevant to people in general. I'm sure you understand what I mean - you're clearly very smart! It can be quiet frustrating when I realize I've made a mistake and have to start over, throwing away days of useless data, but that's what I have to do. So, again, I'm consulting with you to try and find out if there are other indicators that are actually going to be more useful to us, or if we're already looking at them. It seems to me that temperatures and MHz are probably the best, but watts are useful because some people live in areas where electricity is very expensive. Delta temperatures are also useful because some people don't have any way to control their room temperature and deltas let them estimate what their temperatures might be like. I don't do OC tests because most people don't OC. However, I run test benches and THOSE results are actually useful for OCers and other heavy load tasks. I run Prime 95, Time Spy and Cinebench '24 CPU Multi-core for the purpose of the series I'm doing on AIO configurations. When I actually start testing and comparing AIOs, I will have to do other tests that simulate gaming, for example, as well as noise levels, watts, and so on. Doing comparable gaming tests is actually difficult because most games these days do not engage in a very strict path forward like the games of my youth, so that introduces variables that will make those results more of a rough example than a precise answer. I invite you to share any further thoughts you have on which indicators (other than what I've mentioned above) might be useful for our purposes. On a completely different note, it has been several years since I was in Singapore. How is life there now? At that time, I observed that many people struggle to pay their bills, just like in the USA, but Singapore is much more ordered and organized - or so it appeared - than the USA. I wish I could visit a hawkers station and enjoy some of the amazing cuisine on offer in your country!
@@ThePCExpertAmateur I will just share with you my method as why am I using open bench. The Liquid AIOs' results from open bench, you get to know the AIOs' capabilities. Even after you know their capabilities, when you fit into a case, it greatly depends on how you configure the case airflow. here are some exmaples of case Airflow with Liquid AIO placed inside. Case Thermal 1) Montech King95 Pro - ruclips.net/video/bdNw54KGPLU/видео.html 2) Asus AP201 - ruclips.net/video/-xDw0gxslCY/видео.html 3) Lian Li O11D Vision - ruclips.net/video/w5q8uBP5xLw/видео.html 4) Lian Li O11D Evo - ruclips.net/video/alzjcxuK3wk/видео.html 5) Lian Li Q58 - ruclips.net/video/LLA7Ybw14Dc/видео.html Note : Based on experience. the case thermal content which I've done. I have mounted the Liquid AIO and to select the best thermal from the AIO and follow by to reposition the fans. Therefore to ensure accuracy of what I am testing and to share. AIO Comparision Montech new entry AIO against my latest test - ruclips.net/video/qpmHtiMdN1o/видео.html Latest test - ruclips.net/video/ca2zGSQvWog/видео.html Comparison on all Lian Li's AIO - ruclips.net/video/E-xZTQiJUOQ/видео.html My first test (limited AIOs) - ruclips.net/video/YTojxRPyrQs/видео.html If you are to use a standard case and to test all the AIOs you have, then you got to keep applying to all the different cases you have. As thermal not only depends on Liquid AIO in a case but the Airflow in your case is important too. My objective is pretty strange forward. 1st choose the top 3 performance AIO (I know I do not have all AIOs but my content are just for references) 2nd Choose the case which allows you to fit either of the Liquid AIOs choosen and of your taste (again I do not have all the case in the world but my content are just a reference). 3rd once you have both liquid aio and case choosen, then you will have to spend time tweaking the case airflow. So that's why I choose to do open bench.
@@KleoYan We are having some communication problems. I'm sorry that I often make sentences that are confusing or too complex. I want for us to share knowledge. I appreciate that you don't have every case and AIO - no one does - not even the testers who receive them for free. I only have 4 cases, and I only use 1; 4 keyboards; 2 mouses; 15 AIOs (+2 on the way); ~30 air coolers; and ~400 fans, with a few other things.
@@ThePCExpertAmateur it's not about the way you communicate. your points are valid. The only difference is I made a choice and to stay focus what I need to share. When you have a whole pile of ideas and concept, that is where the difficult part is. I would advise you to break them down. if you want to do Cases with Liquid AIOs. I guess you can use the 4 cases and everytime you have a new Liquid AIO, apply them to the cases which you have configured to standardize your testing (including your room temp), so that you can take the end results to compare with your previous. For further discussions, I will greatly appreciated we can communicate via email ( godzylatech@gmail.com ) Thank you!
Is there a mistake, on AMD test 3 we see results of GA II LCD on top, next on the final page the results are different for there GA II LCD.
Otherwise great video and seems to me that dram lower temp is what is best for CPU freq.
Underrated channel for sure!
Hi Raiko, welcome to my channel spot on. I copied the wrong data on AMD Test 3 for the Galahad II LCD. the correct data is on the final page which is correct. Thank you, you have sharp eyes. btw, with the correct data on the final page, the GA II LCD still holds the rank 3 title. Thanks again.
@@KleoYan I posted this on r/hardware - someone removed it. Those moderators there are grown up children. I got one comment stating that Arctic is the best and only Gamers Nexus is trustworthy. I replayed that the tests differ and are not comparable and the whole post got removed.
@@raiko3412 so sorry to hear that. This was my test in my country and as mentioned it could defer based on country climate maybe.
Part of the reason I did this test as I read this www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/liquid-cooling/arctic-liquid-freezer-iii-aio-review/2 so to test it with my own.
@@KleoYan It is totally fine mate, I could not care less what trolls of the internet think of me, and I would still be the first to defend their right to have an option. You keep up the good content and the subs will come one way or another.
@@raiko3412 Thank you and to be honest, I am just like any other normal PC Builder, I want to know myself, how much can I trust reviewers out there. You see, most mentioned they have tested, present a graph and talk about it. I will admit that I am sceptic to trust their reviews. I have my fair share of falling into this catergory where I trusted those reviews and have purchased those PC item. Those ended up, I was not getting the performance as stated. The results maybe due to the climate I am at, that's the reason why on my benchmark reviews. I will not only show the actual benchmark but to state very clearly that it's tested in a "Hot and Humid" country. By the way, thank you for sharing and the support, greatly appreciated it very much 👍👍👍
I have never seen such detail testing on Liquid AIO. You are one rock solid reviewer, I never regret to have sub to your channel. Every review you did, you went beyond what others did. Thank you Kleo for these critical information.
Hi james dean, welcome back. Thank you for your feedback and support. Greatly appreciated it.
Wow, Kleo!
Unreal how much Work, Time, and Effort you put into this video! I subscribe to support you! Your work is a real Gem!
One comment - I have no idea how You operate normally at 30C! :)
In my country, Bulgaria when temperatures are over 33, the Government releases warning codes for the whole country - Extreme Heat! :)
Hi Radoslav Ivanov, welcome to my channel. It's pretty normal for us here in Singapore. In general, we use house domestic fans to cool ourselves down, but the air are warm. Thank you for your feedback and to have subscribed to my channel.
Finally! A channel that can relate to the hot and humid country such as us here in 🇵🇭. Thank you brother. I just found out your channel. Subbing!
Hi TroyersBeats, welcome to my channel. Thank you for your feedback and to have subscribed to my channel. All the best with your build too. 😉
Another solid, well thought out, informative review. As always, thanks for testing on both intel and amd. As others have said, noise normalized tests would have been great to include. Hopefully we can get those in the near future.
Wish the companies would let you keep the AIOs longer.
Keep up the great work.
Hey is Mr. T Cas, welcome back. I wish I can redo as some have requested to do noise normalize test on the pump and fans. I see what I can do. By the way I've not forgetten about the P14max on LF3. Sorry to have you wait, but will do that soon with a big shout out to you 😉
I have been really impressed with Deep Cool AIOs over the last few years.
I would consider EK, but only if I knew my money was going to pay an employee.
Love the new Deep Cool Mystique. Excellent performance and a great display.
Hi Mergatroid Mania , welcome to my channel. Thank you for your input and sharing. Yup Deepcool AIO are catching up the market fast. I am impress with their LT720 for a very long time. As for the new Mystique, I do like the display which is very easy to use and it's simple. I have yet to test for it's longevity but I believe it will be of the same as my LT720 😁
Hi Mergatroid Mania , welcome to my channel. Thank you for your input and sharing. Yup Deepcool AIO are catching up the market fast. I am impress with their LT720 for a very long time. As for the new Mystique, I do like the display which is very easy to use and it's simple. I have yet to test for it's longevity but I believe it will be of the same as my LT720 😁
@@KleoYanwill deepcool LT720 be enough for I7 14700k? Or should I go with the more expensive options?
@@muhammadfikrifadhiltv2433 Hi and welcome to my channel. the Deepcool LT720 is good enough and with power limit settings. with your 14700K you can follow the settings just like the setting I shown on the 13700K.
@@KleoYan I see, thanks for the quick answer. Will subscribe now
As so many others already said, what a great review and thanks for all the time and effort spent in making it!
I have a 13900K where I struggle to keep the temp down. Currently using a Corsair iCUE H150i Elite LCD but thinking of replacing it with a new AIO and based on the results of your test, the one from EK is at the top of my list.
Of course hard for you to answer when you didn't have the AIO I'm currently using in your test but would be interesting to know if it would be worth replacing it.
Thanks again for the awesome review and I would highly appreciate any advice from you my friend!
Hi Richard Åsberg, welcome to my channel. You are right about not able to test your Liquid AIO. Before you jump into changing an AIO, do you mind to let me know how your setup is,
as in which case are you using and how you place fans and the Liquid AIO in your case? The reason I've asked as case airflow plays an important part too.
something which you might want to try.
1) Maybe give it a try to do vcore offset which I have done here at timestamp 04:04.
2) As you can see I am using CPU thermal pad and not thermal paste in this content. If I am to use thermal paste, the result will even be better.
This my method to apply thermal paste and it did aid some of my viewers to get better thermal results. timestap 02:20 ruclips.net/video/xZ2R4roF1_Q/видео.htmlsi=f0BYVMfTCFdEDXS_&t=141
once again thank you to have visit my channel.
@@KleoYan Wow, that was a quick response and thanks so much for trying to advise despite the lack of information. My setup consists of a Corsair 500D case with the 360 AIO in front as intake, 2x140 mm in top as exhaust and one 120 mm in the back also as exhaust.
I spend most of my time in MSFS which is quite CPU intensive. During normal sessions, I see the temp reach 85-90C and when running Cinebench R23, 100 C is quickly reached with throttling. I've already tried undervolting which helps a bit but no more than a few degrees and with a lower score in CR23 vs stock settings in BIOS.
So this is the background where I thought maybe a better AIO would help me. As for thermal paste, I'm using Grizzly Kryonaut Extreme.
Hi welcome back and thanks for the info. Your case setup is pitch perfect, no adjustment needed, infact your setup is by far the best method to cool down a highend processor, but at this point of time I am unable to recommend you for the EK Liquid AIO. as I do not know the characteristic of Corsair iCUE H150i Elite LCD. What if you did get the EK nucleus and ended up Corsair beats it or it it just 1 to 2 degrees improvement.I am terrible sorry, I can't suggest on changing the aio, if you do decide to go with EK, I hope for the very best for you.
Great that companies support your work and reviews! You are the best!
Hi NAP Oficial, welcome back. Infact yours and my viewers' support are more important to keep me going.
Yup, those brands who supported me, they are open to suggestions to improve. I have tried a few other couple but failed to gain their support. Nevertheless thank you for your valuable feedback and support👍👍👍 🙂
@@KleoYan welcome! I installed my AIO Deepcool watching your tutorial ❤️
@@napoficial7123 nice. Do let us know your experience too and all the best 👍
@@napoficial7123 nice. Do let us know your experience too and all the best 👍
Thank you for sharing me this video, really complete and I hope you will have more views and subscribes! You are incredible 🙌🏼
@@LeGrandMechantLu hi and welcome back. Good to hear that this content is helpful to you and thank you for your kind words 👍👍👍
Which AiO do you like most in terms of noise for AM5?
Hi User, welcome to my channel. I am still currently using Liquid Freezer II and not III. As it quiet and does it's job. I also prefer to use 280 instead of 360.
@@KleoYan Thanks for responding! But can't you set the LF3 to 30-40% pump speed to achieve similar results as the LF2 in terms of cooling performance and noise?
@@User-ys7cb for pump I will set to 80% minimum. If you set too low and below 80% the heat transfer can’t dissipate properly.
@@KleoYan So if you reduced the LF3's pump speed to match the noise level of the LF2, its cooling performance would be worse than the LF2? That's disappointing, especially now that LF2 seems to be more expensive than LF3.
@@User-ys7cb In general, any Liquid AIO pump, should not drop the pump rotation below 80% and it's best to run it consistantly instead of having it at PWM. this will prolong the pump longevity. As for why the LF2 is more expensive, I have no idea on this. The reason I kept using LF2 is becuase, the thermal performance is good on both AM5 or Intel plaftorm.
Great videos on the Lian Li series fans controllers etc. I spent most of the 20s and 30s in Singapore.
I have been gun-shy on buying any more Lian Li AIOs. After my Gallahad 2 performance pump noise issues that no reviewers ever commented on.
Hi CajunSands, welcome to my channel and thank you for your feedback. Infact the issues on pump noise. so long any AIO pump goes above 2880RPM, noise will start. Most of the time I kept my pump to run consistantly. I do not allow my pump to follow RPM Curve based on temperature, at all times to have it 80% full speed. Alot been mentioning to me about their Lian Li Liquid AIOs but from day one which I had those AIOs and testing them. I have no issues and it's already been more than 3 months and I am still using the 280 Galahad II LCD in my sonic theme build. I have no issues with the AIO pump noise and it's consitantly running at 2880RPM. www.reddit.com/r/MontechPC/comments/19esupr/project_montech_king95_pro_sonic_the_hedgehog/ . For majority as why the pump is noisy or damage in a short period of time are 1) Using PWM Curve on pump, the fluctuation of the motor speeds will degrade further in a short period of time. 2) to run to it's max over 3000 ~ 4000 RPM. the speed is too fast which again will heat up the motor coil and again degrade of get damage easily at a short period of time.
hi, i have a pc with a 7800X3D, Which water cooler should I buy if I prioritize performance and silence and don't care about the cost?
Hi Topssauro, welcome to my channel. Noise is up to individual. I will go for the Arctic Liquid Freezer III 360, infact best is 280 as it make use of 140mm fans which you can run them at lower RPM but still pushing tons of air through the radiator. Do note, not much people like to use 280 as it can look weird in a case if it's too empty.
Awesome job and effort man!
Wish you included NZXT kraken as it's one of the best and good priced AIO out there, hope you could include it as a part 2 maybe?
Hi SAIF ADAILH, welcome to my channel. Thank you for your valuable feedback, greatly appreciated it. As for part II, if NZXT do reply to me and to provide their 360 unit, yup I can do that. Thank you again 😉
Hi SAIF ADAILH, welcome to my channel. If NZXT do reply to me and to provide their AIO, yes it can be part 2. Thank you again for your suggestion 😉
Another fantastic content. Ain't you worry about brand that does not agree to your content and new brands will fear to let you have samples? To be frank, you are one of my favourite tech reviwer. I have no doubts not to trust you. Thank you Kleo.
Hi Nox Mu, welcome back. Thank your for trusting and the support. Greatly appreciated it. As for your question, I have my principle on doing tech content. I do not like to be controlled and to speak something which is not true. I find no point doing tech reviews and to outsell a product. Reason is, someone might purchase an item due to influence, but later found out that the product is not said to function. If branding are not able to accept my truth, they are not worth my time either. It is only those brandings who accept feedbacks, be it positive or negative and to improve on their products, then these are the brands we can trust. Anyway in most of my content I use my consious and will only speak what's right. Nevertheless, thank you for your support and concern. 😉😉👍👍👍
Great test. good to have hardware canucks testing confirmed from someone ells.
Hi Mercurio, welcome to my channel and thank you for your valuable feedback. 😉
Great work. Thank you.
HI Etienne, welcome to my channel and thank you too to have visit. 😉
Clean video brother, thank you.
Hi Deimah -, welcome to my channel and thank you too to have visit 😉
Thank you for posting this video.
Random question for you
Arctic Liquid Freezer 420 vs EKWB CR360 Nucleus?
Which would you rather have? I can get them both for the same price ($130)
CPU is an AMD
Hi @TerenceGrier, welcome to my channel. both work out well, the issue will be space in your case. If case allows the 420, I will go for 420 as the fans do not need to ramp up that high to produce static pressure. It runs quiet too.
@@KleoYan Thank you for responding !
@ You are most welcome. All the best with your build too. 😉
Seen your review on shopee and came to take a look 😂
Hi Kogo, welcome to my channel and thank you for dropping by 👍👍👍
@ these tests are exactly what I was searching on the internet for so long but to no avail, now I know what to get! Thank you!
@@kogo8745 you are most welcome. Glad that you find something you need. All the best with your build too. 😉
How is it that Arctic 360 is running different pump rpm's? On intel system it runs at the static rpm of 2800rpm, and on the AMD system the pump speed is 4285 rpm? That is a difference of 1485 rpm between systems when the manual clearly states it runs 2800 rpm static on a pump header. Why is their such a huge difference between it on AMD versus Intel? It is cooling 237 watts on intel and only 188 watts on AMD. I feel like I got ripped off by all the reviews of the new Arctic Liquid Freezer 3, I ultimately decided to purchase it when Gamers Nexus put up its review touting it as the best liquid aio cooler on the market. Is there any setting that is being manually adjusted to turn the pump above what it is specifically rated for in the manual? The thing that really sucks is that on top of it not being able to keep the i7 14700k cooled properly under the motherboards default bios which is intels fault, Arctics vrm cooler doesn't seem to cool the vrm or any components down versus what we are seeing in these test results versus other aio makers.
Hi Adam Rose, welcome to my channel. If you watch the recording benchmark on both intel and amd for Arctic Liqiud Freezer III 360. the pump is above 4K RPM. Reason for me to put 2800, by right it should be showing 2800± as shown on their actual specs and Arctic have confirmed with me that the pump is showing incorrectly. thats why i miss out on the AMD data. it should be running at 2800± and not 4K .. watch both the recording of Intel part one and AMD part one. you will find the pump is at 4k +. Also I have not done any drastic settings in UEFI on the pump and fan. Pump I let it run at full speed and as for fans, I have set it to run full when it's over 60°C
@@KleoYan I appreciate the response. You do a great job at reviewing, I didn't think you did anything to create the difference just wasn't sure if it was just a bad reading or error caused by the amd bios or something else. Thanks again and great channel.
@@TheAdam2877 you are most welcome. I wanted to clear your doubts too and thank you for your support. 😉
You may be professor at university. Very informative, well detailed and result of big effort excellent video. Thank you very much.
Hi Jack Daniels, welcome back and thank you for your valuable feedback. I am glad you like this content 👍👍👍
We've had a 360 Galahad II Trinity on an i9 12,900k for almost a year now. Hard daily driver machine gets ran very hard by one of the kids. Not a single issue and it really lets the i9 open up. Real really like the Lian Li stuff its our go to. 👍
Hi in the meantime, welcome to my channel and thank you for your input, greatly appreciated it. 😉
your video is a refrence for AIOs in youtube i suggest to add any aio in the future to this list
Hi HARD MACHENDISE, welcome to my channel. Yup thats what I intend to do.. sustain all settings to be of the same configuration in UEFI on both Intel and AMD and the open bench on my desk is marked.. so in future is there are new AIO, I will pull this list and to fill up the new AIO into the list.
Hi Kleo, great channel, ever thought of doing some Thermalright AIOs?
@@paalosordoni7932 Hi and welcome to my channel. Yes I do have intention if only they can reply to my request. Thank you for your kind words too 😉
Tnq alot. Liked and Subscribed
HI hootan gofi, welcome to my channel and thank you for visiting and to have subscribed to my channel. All the very best with your build too 😉
Talk about going the extra mile ... sick testing and impressive work, hope some models get an optional updated mounting kit for the platform they perform worst on (looking at you Artic Cooling :) )
@@nixtc Hi and welcome to my channel. Thank you for your kind words and I am glad you like my content. About the rework on Arctic Liquid Freezer III for Intel. I do hope so too. Thanks again to drop by my channel 😉
Great video!
Hi Ron, welcome to my channel and thank you for your feedback. All the best with your build too. 😉
Just a suggestion: It would be nice if the temperature be shown as "delta over ambient". Would be easier to relate the temperature performance if we were to purchase the AIO in our respective country.
Also just purchased the GA II performance and hope it can perform well on my 13700K too (sg too!). Thanks for the video and keep up the good work!
Hi DS , welcome to my channel. Thank you for the suggestion. I will take note on this. Thank you. 👍
Awesome work! When you had the GA II LCD installed, did you notice a lot of noise? I am trying to decide between the GA II LCD infinity vs the Kraken Elite. Reading reviews and seeing the GA II LCD has software issues and is quite loud but found one cheaper than the Kraken so not sure what to do yet.
Hi Poeshyn, welcome to my channel. I have been using the 280 Galahad II LCD for the past few months. no noise no issue. just need to set the pump to run at 2880RPM consitantly. www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/19f113a/sonic_the_hedge_hog/
You should have done a test with noise normalized to 35db, because some coolers have much higher RPM on fans and thus they are much louder.
Hi Phantom Zagreb, welcome to my channel. point noted, will do better next time. Thank you for your suggestion. 👍
@@KleoYan Thanks, I have subscribed to your channel for at least 6 months, good work keep it up.
@@phantomzagreb oh oops! Do pardon me. welcome back 😁I will take note of what you've suggested and will keep that in mind... good idea too. 😉
Very informative review, I am using IDcooling SL360 on amd platform
Hi Einclad【SSRB】, welcome to my channel and thank you for your info and feedback. On AMD side, you will be fine with the temp 😉
Great very interesting review Kleo, have you ever thought of dong noise normalized results as the AIOs mostly have different pump and fan speeds?.
HI paalo sordoni, welcome to my channel. Yup, someone did suggested it and I will take note on this next time. For now I got to return those AIOs, else I will execute as per suggested by my viewers and you. Thank you for the suggestion, greatly appreciated it. 😉
Why is the Arctic pump speed so much lower on the Intel test results, looks like a typo
Hi Korban Steel, welcome to my channel. I have done a typo but if you look at the actual benchmark time stamp 09:33, it's at 4000+ RPM.
30 degs and sinkies accent, love it
Hi ya Carl L, welcome to my channel. Thank you for the compliemnt 🤣. Nevertheless, greatly appreciate for the visit 😁
Hi im buying a 4070 and ryzen do I get the Ek nucleous Aio Cr-360d or the Deepcool Le720 360mm liquid cooler?
Hi Leo, welcome to my channel. both that you've mentioned will work fine.. it greatly depends on which AMD processor you are getting, but if you are to ask me between the two you've mentioned, I will go for EK Nuclues
Hi Kleo, been puzzling on how you managed to get the average CPU clock speed at 5.0Mhz on intel 13700k. Mine is also intel 13700k but when including the P and E cores, the average is always 4.75Mhz. How you manage to get that stats in Hwinfo? Just purchased the GA II performance and trying to compare if mine is producing the similar results. Thanks.
Hi DS, welcome to my channel. The reason I am getting 5Ghz on average is due to the good bin chip which i use ASRock motherboard to detect the quality of the 13700K Processor. it rated at Quality 82% as compare to some others which are at 76% max. With a better bin chip. the Vcore you pull will be must lesser to push higher clock speed. maybe watch this and you will understand ruclips.net/video/Esfw8JlPNFk/видео.htmlsi=HU0cQq_rshvnjYtV&t=2050 time stamp 34:10
@@KleoYan Thanks for the quick reply! Good info on the bin but im using the MSI motherboard, it can't detect it. My guess would be for the P-core + E-core average to be 5mhz, the P-core will be around 5.6Mhz. Asus motherboard "auto" settings must be quite aggressive. XD
With my MSI motherboard, P-core is lock at 5.3Mhz and E-core at 4.2MHz (all default settings), average will always be 4.75MHz.... even @ 100% load with zero throttling T_T
@@pohtk2004 yes Asus board are agressive but not the ProArt. That's part of the reason why I use the ProArt on this content. It's a mature and sensible board. this apply to some ASRock board. my Z790 Sonic PG which I am using are only at 50A and it's able to delivery stable frequency of my 14700K. This is my acutal rig www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/19f113a/sonic_the_hedge_hog
@@KleoYan Hi Sir! Just to follow up regarding the confusion. I've previously looked at the "Core Clocks" average column instead of the "Average Effective Clock" current column in the HWInfo. My average effective clock hovers around 5,020 ~ 5,060 Mhz @ 245w cpu package drawn power (-0.05v offset as well). Hope that's normal!? Thanks again for the great videos! Keep up the good work! :)
@@pohtk2004 yup that’s normal and thank you for the update, I am glad you have sort it out 👍👍👍
Fantastic video, mate. Much appreciated. I'm just a bit confused with the top 3 in Intel, I feel the GA LCD should be in spot 2 according to this. What a surprise this Eskimo, but the pump is running at over 5k!! I wonder how loud it gets.
Hi Shady Gouda, welcome to my channel. I have tested numerous of times with these AIOs I had. dismount and to remount, inclusive of the backplate for intel. I've gotten the same results, that why am so sorry to disappoint you on the GA II LCD. now as for the loudness of the Geomatric Future. I don't really have a sound test on the pump but I do have an overall noise test with the aio inside a case. You might be interested to view this content ruclips.net/video/hAVIZrZI-V0/видео.html
Hi Shady Gouda, do pardon me to have confuse you as for the GA II LCD, I've done two separate platfrom and on Intel, I have remount the liquid AIO for 3 times, inluding the backplate but still getting the same results. As for the Geomatric future, I do not have the noise test but I do have the overall noise test which might interest you ruclips.net/video/hAVIZrZI-V0/видео.htmlsi=ngKatOl-SSLhnSy6 😉
@@KleoYan awesome, thank you mate.
@@HekaWaset you are most welcome.
Super, thank you
hi Kris Stalker, welcome to my channel, glad you like this content. All the best with your build too. 😉
what about noise comparison?
Hi ms9chf, welcome to my channel. Someone did request this and I do apologize. I should have include the noise test. I am unable to asnwer your question so sorry about it.
I have 4 of those (well, technically, the LS720), plus 11 more that I'm going to be testing soon. To be fair, I have 3 from Enermax and 2 from Thermalright. Let's see what happens!
Hello The PC Expert Amateur, welcome to my channel. Once you’ve done the testing. Share your RUclips link to my email at godzylatech@gmail.com it’s always good to see other aios too. Btw as why my email is because, if you share your YT link here. The whole message will be deleted by RUclips. So ya, awaits for your test results.
@@KleoYan hi Kleo. It'll take some time to get it done. I'm currently testing variations of the use of the glass panels and dust filters on my Corsair 5000x. After that, I'm going to test where to place 5 Antec Storm 120mm fans in my case. Once I've got that figured out, I'll mount each AIO in the optimal configuration, and I'll test it with both stock fans and Megacools.
As for links, I assume you mean that you have disabled links for your channel, correct?
@@KleoYan BTW, I shared this video to my channel.
@@ThePCExpertAmateur nope I have no idea how to disable or to enable. Nevertheless welcome for my test by others 😉 thanks for sharing my channel to yours 👍
@@KleoYan YW!
You're in luck; here's how to turn on/off links: Studio>>Settings>>Community and scroll the to bottom. "Block Links" is down at the bottom.
I'm surprised the deepcool is much better for intel than trinity performance, considering the fan rpm and pump rpm.
Hi HAIDZ, welcome to my channel. I guess is the mounting as the trinity performance does good on AMD. Thank you for your feedback.
@@KleoYan which of these 2 would you recommend for cooling a 14900k? I'm also living in a humid country in asia with 30c+ ambient temp?
@@AdrianPragacha to be honest. As why am I using a i7 13700K, it runs hotter compared to 14700K and as for 14900K, It's hard for me to tame with any liquid aios which is 360 variant. you can give EK Nucleus CR360 but dont expect to have temperature that is below 88 degress. so far best to use 420 liquid AIO on 14900K. This only apply to hot and humid country.
@@KleoYan thank you for your inputs., 💯
@@AdrianPragacha you are most welcome. hope you did get something which aid in your CPU Cooling. all the very best.
Nine AIOs and only one is an Asetek, impressive.
Hi sabishiihito, welcome to my channel and thank you for your feedback 😉
Even if EK have bad reputation recently i just don't care and i've take their CR360 Black AIO and it's the best buy that i've made, i've replaced my NH-U12A for this one and my room doesn't up so much like before and my CPU stay always below 65 degrees ( 13600K with an UV -0.100.00 )
I can literally take a 14700k now, NH-U12A was really good but CLEARLY not as good as my new CR360.
I've tested the LFIII from Arctic before buying the EK AIO and the Arctic was simply bad, the contact frame that they put with this AIO is simply bad and the pump are louder than the pump of EK, even at low level.
I can just recommend the EK CR360 but one thing which i really didn't like about the EK is the stup*d build mechanism, when you want to remove the pump on the motherboard, screws come with the pump and you really need to do that carefully, i've already build 2 CR240 and 1 CR360 and when you remove, same story, it's not perfect about that.
Hi Aquilαe, welcome to my channel. Thank you for your input, greatly appreciate it. Yes I do find the mounting mechanism the same as you've discribed. Myself have this issue too, but it's very minor, just need to use pilers and to unscrew the standoffs from the mounting bolt. I too don't really care about EK reputation now as what I have experience on EK Liquid AIO, they are reliable.
Hi Aquilαe, welcome to my channel. thank you for your feedback and yup EK does have it's good reputation over Liquid AIOs as I've witness this myself on their EK 360 Elite. About the mounting of the CR360. I do have issues too when removing it. the retention bolt will unscrew the standoffs too, if it's too tight, but that's minor, can just unscrew them with a piler and screwdriver. Well in every AIO there will be some flaws here and there, that's where they need feedbacks and to improve on. Thank you again for your input 😉
@@gz-techsg2353 Exactly ! that's what i'm talking about, it's not an issue from our units but an issue of their mounting system, i prefer by far the mounting system from Noctua but hey, nothing is perfect (unfortunately)
Weird thing is that their old mounting system doesn't seems to do the same thing when we remove the pump.
About the Liquid Freezer 3, i was really disappointed when i tested the 240mm and the 360mm version, noise from the pump start to get loid very quickly even at low RPM and i prefer the noise from the pump of the EK.
Overall the plastic of the pump of the EK is cheap (it get fingerprints and scratches quite quickly) so you need to be careful with it but overall, my 13600k never go above 65 degrees, it's insane, compared to my NH-U12A that get more than 80 degrees, my room temperature is 26~ (very small room)
@@AquilaeYTI see. Thanks for sharing. Your info will be useful to those who wanted to get an AIO 😉
First of all, my friend, I appreciate you very much. I've been watching you for a long time and I've been watching almost all your videos.. 👍
As for what I want to say about the video, I have been a DeepCool LT720 user for the last 1 year.. Obviously, I was very, very satisfied, then I bought a Mystique 360 and I've been using a Mystiq 360 for a short time.. When I gave the LT720 to him because my friend's corsair H150 broke down, he liked the LT720's performance so much that he bought the LT720 =)) In my own tests, when I use the fans that come with the Mystique 360 with the LT720, it shows exactly the same temperature values.. I'll get there, the LT720 is an excellent CPU cooler, you add performance even just by changing the fans.
I wish you would have done a test review by changing the fans of the DeepCool LT720, it would have been great.. I really appreciate Deepcool, there are great Price Performance products available.
Hi Seddoo, welcome to my channel. I totally agree with you, the LT720 is a good liquid cooler and it's reliable. As for changing the fan to either of deepcool AIO, I can confirm it out perform the original fans that comes with both Deepcool AIOs. Just that I wanted to keep everything original. Once again thank you for your input and suggestion. Greatly appreciated it 👍👍👍
Hi Seddoo, welcome to my channel and I totally agree with you. Deepcool LT720 is indeed a very good cooler and durable too. As for the Mystique, I believe it will be the same too, plus the display application is easy to use. Thank you for your valuable feedback. 😉
@@KleoYan Yes, I agree, what I'm talking about would definitely be an extreme test. As a viewer of your next videos, I would like to ask you to please test the Asrock Taichi X670E & Z790 "if the conditions are right". I hope Asrock will send you the necessary components quickly.. Thank you so much for sharing detailed and reliable content in each new video.
In addition, a small but important one, it would be great if you also add information about which languages are available in the Language Options of the Bios screens and how many in all subsequent motherboard introductions.. Many people's knowledge of English may not be enough, I have friends who prefer different motherboards even just to see the Bios in their native language. Motherboard manufacturers should pay more attention to this. People should be able to read a complex-looking screen at least in their native language.😏
@@Seddoo hi thanks for the reply. As for ASRock. I did try to ask for their Taichi Z790 and X670E, but unable to get the loan unit as there are no demo set. I will try to ask again and no promises. Thank you for your suggestion.
i still prefer my EK-AIO Elite 360 D-RGB, but since replaced the fans to sl120s
Hi anooymous84, welcome to my channel. Yes the EK Elite 360 is one hell of a monster AIO. Even till date, it still perform extremely well.
thanks
@@m.talhaali572 hi and welcome to my channel. Am glad you like the content. All the best with your build too 😉
Great video
Hi SmokeyDogg627, welcome to my channel and thank you for your feedback. All the best with your build too.
lian li, nzxt, asus aio oem asetek
Hi maxsun z370, welcome back and thank you for the info. but be it OEM Asetek, the construction of fans might be different, therefore perform differently. Thanks for the info and feedback.
I hate my new Lian Li with the large LCD screen lol I went and bought a new Kraken last night. No idea why but Lian Li cpu temp is actually the cpu package temp that is so annoying
@@Revell25 Hi ya.. welcome back. Sorry to hear that you hate it. Btw thank you to have visit, greatly appreciated it. 👍
Why am I seeing the arctic liquid freezer iii Radiator fan speed not on 100% like the others! if it's hittin 100% it would be around 2k RPM,
Also how is the pump RPM is higher than the factory specs! it shouldn't exceed 2800rpm @23:01 , but the test before these results had the arctic liquid freezer ii logo,
something isn't right here bro
Also @10:11 how's eskimo aio pump shouldn't be exceeding 3080 RPM with 10% added, how is it hitting 5.5k rpm ! and somehow as well the Arctid LF3 RAD RPM is no where near 100% RPM, it should be hitting minimum 2250 RPM inclusive of the -10%, how is that even possible! somehow it have the RAD RPM speed of the LF2 and the pump speed of the LF3
Hi svudi, welcome to my channel.
First of all for P12 fans they are at max 1800rpm fans and for the pump rpm which you have mentioned. they are for Rev 2, what I am having is the original where the sensor are having issues to read the pump RPM correctly. if you can see the actual intel and amd run in this content they will be way above 4000rpm.
as for Ekimo pump i had it for like few months before and it's running this way. I have run all these pumps at 100% without tweaks.
The noise my arctic iii 280 generates makes me shutdown my pc
@@AaronGrady-e1o hi and welcome to my channel. Wow that bad? Hmm 🤔 how did your connect your liquid freezer III 280. Are you using the split connector or single connector?
@@KleoYan I’m using single connector
@@AaronGrady-e1o try using split cable. Set the rpm of the vrm fans lower, Leave the pump at 100% rpm. As for radiator fans, it’s up to you to configure. I have mine set to either turbo profile in Asus board, performance in ASRock board, MSI or gigabyte to manual setting on the fan curve.
@@KleoYan thank you. I will try that, but I think the pump is loud
@@AaronGrady-e1o If you find the pump is loud, set it to 80% instead of 100%. just make sure the pump is running consistently and not on PWM. you wouldn't want to pump motor to goes up and down rapidly as this will wear and tear the pump motor which is not good in prolong run.
cooler master flux 360mm
Hi diogenes carvalho, welcome to my channel. Thank you for the suggestion. I've tried asking from coolermaster but no response, therefore unable to test it.
@@KleoYan ok tanks
@@diogenescarvalho11 most welcome.
Arctic Liquid Freezer, no AIO can reach the Price/Perf
Hi Rakanay, welcome to my channel and not really. There are AIO which are cheaper than Arctic and can out perform it too. But nevertheless thank you for your feedback.
Good job!
Realistically, which spec actually is the most important? Yes, we have to keep the CPU from getting too hot, and these all did a great job of keeping the CPU in the 80s. However, you used test benches, which means that the results aren't representative of an encased PC. Still, it gives us something as long as your room is climate controlled, right?
But how much of a discernable performance hit did the test benches take with each AIO? If there is no discernable decrease, then it doesn't matter which AIO we choose. How many lost command processings are required before you'll notice a difference? Power drawn doesn't tell us, either, since it just lets us see that the cooler your CPU, the more power that will be drawn for what - a few more MHz of invisible performance?
This is not a criticism of what you tracked or how you ranked them, Mr. Yan. At this time, IMHO, when you're within a few degrees of the best, it doesn't matter. But is that correct? For my testing, I'm also trying to figure out what we really need to focus on. So, did you notice anything? Perhaps if you record each thing and do a side-by-side viewing to determine at what point the difference is clearly visible, then we can say that, yes, for a pro gamer that temperature is better than this temperature. But does it make a difference for any other gamers? It'll make a difference for people working on AI, doing 3D rendering, CAD, and other very high workload stuff as long as the GPU and VRAM are also being kept cool, but not for the masses.
So, can we really say that the Geometric Future is the worst for AMD, and the Arctic LF3 and ID-Cooling Space are the worst for intel, and then say it matters when talking to the masses, or is there effectively no difference for them? I suspect that people who do casual gaming, watch movies, browse and do simple stuff in an Office suite aren't going to see any difference. Do you agree?
Looks like ID-Cooling should've chosen a better AIO to send!
I suggest you get a Thermalright AIO to test, and I recommend the Frozen Magic Scenic V2 (or the Frozen Notte, which is just slightly worse), and one of the ones with a weaker pump. My testing demonstrated that the Notte is so well-designed that even putting on one of the best fans - the Super Flower Megacool - only improved performance by 1-2 degrees on Intel! (I don't have an AMD machine yet).
Hi The PC Expert Amateur, welcome back. These are to answer your questions.
Q1) Realistically, which spec actually is the most important? Yes, we have to keep the CPU from getting too hot, and these all did a great job of keeping the CPU in the 80s. However, you used test benches, which means that the results aren't representative of an encased PC. Still, it gives us something as long as your room is climate controlled, right?
A1) What you’ve mentioned I have considered, in actual run, yes, in enclose case, my temp will goes up, unless I have done up proper airflow in a case. Each individual has it’s own method to do fan curve for their case. This is why I choose to use open bench. What if others take my temp if it’s in a case and finds out theirs are different? So to prevent margin of errors, I have stated very clearly. All AIOs will be tested at the same open bench, in same room temperature, the arrangement of how the AIO is position and at the same spot.
The key factor that others will argue, I should run both AMD and Intel at default settings. To me it’s the same even if I controlled them both. It will still show the temperature differences. Addition to this, each AIOs I’ve tested are not just mount and go. I deliberately did 3 to 4 times dismounting and mounting the pump block and doing recording each time, picking the best temp which I have recorded and to present in this content. It takes dedication, time and effort to do this.
Q2) But how much of a discernable performance hit did the test benches take with each AIO? If there is no discernable decrease, then it doesn't matter which AIO we choose. How many lost command processings are required before you'll notice a difference? Power drawn doesn't tell us, either, since it just lets us see that the cooler your CPU, the more power that will be drawn for what - a few more MHz of invisible performance?
A2) You might see that a slight increase of Mhz is not important but it does tell how much the system will pull according to how much cooling you have provided. My point on this content is to illustrate which AIO is able to absorb more heat and to provide better cooling provided. Better cooling means allowing the system to pull more and push further. Maybe to some is little or no much difference but there are still a difference and in a long run. Only when doing work load stuff, you will then appreciate the power drawn and to push your processor. You will not see these on gaming, watching movies and such.
Q3) This is not a criticism of what you tracked or how you ranked them, Mr. Yan. At this time, IMHO, when you're within a few degrees of the best, it doesn't matter. But is that correct? For my testing, I'm also trying to figure out what we really need to focus on. So, did you notice anything? Perhaps if you record each thing and do a side-by-side viewing to determine at what point the difference is clearly visible, then we can say that, yes, for a pro gamer that temperature is better than this temperature. But does it make a difference for any other gamers? It'll make a difference for people working on AI, doing 3D rendering, CAD, and other very high workload stuff as long as the GPU and VRAM are also being kept cool, but not for the masses.
A3) Again you have pointed out some points which are very specific. Again I have limited time to do all these you’ve mentioned. This content is not about plugin to a system with specific usage on a PC. But for content creation and 3D render, this content does help to determine which AIO should I go for.
Q4) So, can we really say that the Geometric Future is the worst for AMD, and the Arctic LF3 and ID-Cooling Space are the worst for intel, and then say it matters when talking to the masses, or is there effectively no difference for them? I suspect that people who do casual gaming, watch movies, browse and do simple stuff in an Office suite aren't going to see any difference. Do you agree?
A4) Yes in general, it does not matter but it will matter when you are doing more workloads like blender, 3d rendering programs and such. It does matter even if it’s few degrees difference. Maybe 87°C from 83°C is not a lot but for prolong time usage it helps to prolong your processor lifespan.
Q5) Looks like ID-Cooling should've chosen a better AIO to send!
A5) If I have more choice I would but I was not entertain when I request from ID-Cooling. You might argue, since I purchased the EK Nucleus, why not this? I have aid others on pc builds and have tested EK Nucleus while building those pc, that’s why I dare to purchase it as it’s a known AIO to me. As for ID-Cooling, I have no track records of this AIO at all, it’s my first time.
I thank you for taking up the time to write out and I have my stand to test these AIO. You have mentioned about your method of testing and is in progress. Once it’s done, do share it with us and don’t mind send me your content link at godzylatech@gmail.com. Once I view it and find it good info, I will share your content with my viewers. Thank you!
@@KleoYan Mr Yan, thank you for taking the time to respond - I really appreciate it. You made a lot of excellent points and I agree with you.
I think you didn't realize that when I said I wasn't criticizing you, I wasn't just referring to that one section - I meant that for your entire video. You did a good job and I know how hard it is, and how much time it takes! I've been working on testing just ONE AIO since shortly after I received it post-Black Friday. The reasons for this range from fixing mistakes, learning how to improve my methodology, switching benchmarking software, doing a very long series of tests on which AIO configurations will get the best results - one that I admit I have delayed due to struggling with anxiety, and I've restarted because I detected a fatal flaw and figured out how to deal with it, and also because testing just one configuration takes about 1 hour and 15 minutes - assuming I don't make a mistake that forces me to start over, and the current iteration, which I've so far completed 55 configurations, including 4 duplicate runs to try to isolate anomalies, and 15 "special" configs where I remove panels and/or mesh and/or block one of the 3 mounting options (top, front, side), and tomorrow I will try to complete the rest of the tests in which I want to run a few more special tests.
I don't agree with the use of a test bench. There are certainly advantages to doing that, especially for convenience of changing things. However, I know that MANY testers actually do it that way, so my disagreement is in general, not you in specific. I have observed that test benches may sometimes give results that don't always seem to line up with what testers who don't use test benches get, which suggests that the completely different airflow has a way of altering results. Is this true? I don't know - I don't have a test bench with which to run comparisons. I would like to explain that it is my feeling. It is based primarily on confined airflow that has to move between and around various barriers that are absent in a test bench, especially a horizontal one, but also on observations I made while running tests on various fans on a Noctua U12A - when I remove the left-side panel, I got results that demonstrated that the lower a component was in my 5000X, the more it benefited. So, while the improvement for the CPU, VRMs and motherboard as a whole weren't significant, the maximum temperatures for the GPU were up to 3 C better than the other results (except one that was most likely an error or anomaly because it makes no sense at all, it's so low!), and the average temperatures were better by up to 2.5 C.
Admittedly, just like a tiny change in MHz is not significant, 2.5 C doesn't make a difference for the average user, but it will help those who are really heating up their computer on a regular basis, and it can potentially make a difference in the lifespan.
But, as you correctly asserted, those tiny differences are still important. This is because they allow us to say, however marginally, that AIO A is better than B. I do not dispute this and I do the same thing.
My questions were not an attempt to debunk or criticize your results. I am looking for answers. In my testing, I have not focused on watts - ever. Watts don't really seem to be productive, except to demonstrate the power consumption. I settled on CPU & thread usage, and clock speeds. As it turned out, these things were much more useful in helping me to detect anomalous results than they were in helping me to determine what was better. And, of course, they serve the same basic function of proof to viewers. I track ambient temps, too.
There is absolutely no way that any of us testers can ever give definitive answers for everyone because, as you know, there are too many variables. Even if I lock everything that I possibly can, things will still happen that I can't control. Even if I can figure that out, my results are only REALLY directly relevant to some people. The more I move in the direction of testing in isolation like a lab does, the less my results are relevant to people in general. I'm sure you understand what I mean - you're clearly very smart! It can be quiet frustrating when I realize I've made a mistake and have to start over, throwing away days of useless data, but that's what I have to do.
So, again, I'm consulting with you to try and find out if there are other indicators that are actually going to be more useful to us, or if we're already looking at them. It seems to me that temperatures and MHz are probably the best, but watts are useful because some people live in areas where electricity is very expensive. Delta temperatures are also useful because some people don't have any way to control their room temperature and deltas let them estimate what their temperatures might be like.
I don't do OC tests because most people don't OC. However, I run test benches and THOSE results are actually useful for OCers and other heavy load tasks. I run Prime 95, Time Spy and Cinebench '24 CPU Multi-core for the purpose of the series I'm doing on AIO configurations. When I actually start testing and comparing AIOs, I will have to do other tests that simulate gaming, for example, as well as noise levels, watts, and so on. Doing comparable gaming tests is actually difficult because most games these days do not engage in a very strict path forward like the games of my youth, so that introduces variables that will make those results more of a rough example than a precise answer.
I invite you to share any further thoughts you have on which indicators (other than what I've mentioned above) might be useful for our purposes.
On a completely different note, it has been several years since I was in Singapore. How is life there now? At that time, I observed that many people struggle to pay their bills, just like in the USA, but Singapore is much more ordered and organized - or so it appeared - than the USA.
I wish I could visit a hawkers station and enjoy some of the amazing cuisine on offer in your country!
@@ThePCExpertAmateur I will just share with you my method as why am I using open bench. The Liquid AIOs' results from open bench, you get to know the AIOs' capabilities. Even after you know their capabilities, when you fit into a case, it greatly depends on how you configure the case airflow.
here are some exmaples of case Airflow with Liquid AIO placed inside.
Case Thermal
1) Montech King95 Pro - ruclips.net/video/bdNw54KGPLU/видео.html
2) Asus AP201 - ruclips.net/video/-xDw0gxslCY/видео.html
3) Lian Li O11D Vision - ruclips.net/video/w5q8uBP5xLw/видео.html
4) Lian Li O11D Evo - ruclips.net/video/alzjcxuK3wk/видео.html
5) Lian Li Q58 - ruclips.net/video/LLA7Ybw14Dc/видео.html
Note : Based on experience. the case thermal content which I've done. I have mounted the Liquid AIO and to select the best thermal from the AIO and follow by to reposition the fans. Therefore to ensure accuracy of what I am testing and to share.
AIO Comparision
Montech new entry AIO against my latest test - ruclips.net/video/qpmHtiMdN1o/видео.html
Latest test - ruclips.net/video/ca2zGSQvWog/видео.html
Comparison on all Lian Li's AIO - ruclips.net/video/E-xZTQiJUOQ/видео.html
My first test (limited AIOs) - ruclips.net/video/YTojxRPyrQs/видео.html
If you are to use a standard case and to test all the AIOs you have, then you got to keep applying to all the different cases you have. As thermal not only depends on Liquid AIO in a case but the Airflow in your case is important too.
My objective is pretty strange forward.
1st choose the top 3 performance AIO (I know I do not have all AIOs but my content are just for references)
2nd Choose the case which allows you to fit either of the Liquid AIOs choosen and of your taste (again I do not have all the case in the world but my content are just a reference).
3rd once you have both liquid aio and case choosen, then you will have to spend time tweaking the case airflow.
So that's why I choose to do open bench.
@@KleoYan We are having some communication problems. I'm sorry that I often make sentences that are confusing or too complex. I want for us to share knowledge.
I appreciate that you don't have every case and AIO - no one does - not even the testers who receive them for free. I only have 4 cases, and I only use 1; 4 keyboards; 2 mouses; 15 AIOs (+2 on the way); ~30 air coolers; and ~400 fans, with a few other things.
@@ThePCExpertAmateur it's not about the way you communicate. your points are valid. The only difference is I made a choice and to stay focus what I need to share. When you have a whole pile of ideas and concept, that is where the difficult part is. I would advise you to break them down. if you want to do Cases with Liquid AIOs. I guess you can use the 4 cases and everytime you have a new Liquid AIO, apply them to the cases which you have configured to standardize your testing (including your room temp), so that you can take the end results to compare with your previous. For further discussions, I will greatly appreciated we can communicate via email ( godzylatech@gmail.com ) Thank you!
Thank you. Good review!
Hi garison 89, you are most wellcome. 👍