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Spelljammer Adventures in Space brings with it a few spells and magic items, but sadly I think the overall showing is a bit disappointing. The items and spells added are great, but overall I just wanted more. What do you think?
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The one thing I find myself the most disappointed with overall from this Spelljammer set is the overall lack of new equipment in general. They just introduced a race that has proficiency with firearms and the only firearm stats are buried in the DMG.
Look at the monsters in Boo’s the Giff variants have interesting muskets and bombs that are not in the DMG.
@@ashelred monster weapons are not transferable to players unless they are standard weapons. Even if you have the same strength as a giant you can't weird his weapon and do the same damage. Of course your DM is absolutely free to rule otherwise. It would seem reasonable that a giff is a giff and a dropped giff weapon is a gift.
Explorer's guide to wildemounte
So? What's the problem? Just LOOK in the DMG; they're under the Dungeon Master's Workshop chapter.
@@logansisson5949 there are no firearms in that.
I was really hoping for more than just two, very spelljammer specific spells.
I can see one of the spells being used in other campaigns but not the other one unless it is a Spelljammer campaign but you are right it's a bit disappointing that we only get two new spells in Spelljammer as a player other than the new races we get in Spelljammer we don't get much new stuff for players
There are loads of them in the 2e Spelljammers Captains Companion. I dug into the older guides after learning how thin the 5e one was.
For reals go check them out. Pages and pages of them. Great items for storytelling too.
@@pugking4518 DMs don't get much, either.
@@dirtywhitellama that's the issue...with how little anyone gets, what was the point of the book?
@@konahrikvolkihar0185 yeah. It was pretty disappointing. If nothing else I learned not to preorder anything from WOTC again.
Air Bubble would be fine as an Arcane option for Artificers, Bards, Sorcerers, Warlocks and Wizards. I would have liked to see Druids and Rangers get a spell to conjure a Gadabout and perhaps give the Cleric and Paladin an Astral Form spell that turns a player luminous so they do not need to breathe in space.
Why? It honestly makes MORE sense that the primal magic classes would have it; it's a literal air bubble, not a space helmet. Also, why would the primal classes have spy drones? That seems more like an artificer thing.
Why? It honestly makes MORE sense that the primal magic classes would have it; it's a literal air bubble, not a space helmet. Also, why would the primal classes have spy drones? That seems more like an artificer thing.
@@videogollumer Spy drones? Gadabouts are plant creatures that have butterfly wings and create and air bubble.
@@T0beyeus Oh... I was taking that as the literal definition, like a rover; which is what we call drones that we use for exploring the surface of planets, which in this case I figured would be used as like a spy drone. My mistake.
The Kindori stat block mentions affixing a spelljammer helm to its skeleton, creating a ship from it. I’m interested to see what interesting ships players attempt to make.
It’s also potentially worth dusting off saltmarsh for the naval rules and potential upgrades for players to apply to their ships.
A dragon turtle, 4 elephants, and a giant stone disk should be at least 1 ton.
Air Bubble could of at-least blocked out harmful vapours or something, what a letdown.
This book was underwhelming for players, but thats kind of on par with alot of adventure module books
Yeah I was not expecting much in the way of spelljammer rules in 5E I have been reading the AD&D stuff and lore for my next game and wondering the best way to approach it. In Old AD&D the spelljamming helm spells only made a temporary helm it was no substitute for a real one that could only be created by the Arcane, spelljamming helms also absorbed all the casters spell slots and used that to fuel the ship. A caster had no magic while flying the helm.
So Some good and some bad there. Lore-wise the idea of Spell jamming helms being under the preview of a weird race of spell jamming merchants the arcane, made all ships rare. With this 5E rules, any 9th level wizard with enough cash and backing (say a kingdom) could mass produce spell jamming helms and have apprentice level casters pilot all the ships.
The good you dont want your players being unable to cast spells because they are piloting ships it really hurts space travel for those classes. I might do a trade off. As in you cant cast spells while attuned to the helm and maybe each time you attune you lose your highest level spell slot. So a player can leave the helm and still be a PC. but going back and forth from ship to adventuring will drain the caster.
04:00 There is a technical reason (based on the lore of previous D&D editions) for Divine_based spellcasters & bards to not "get" this spell:
. The "astral sea" (& the astral plane in general) are accesible to divinities of all kinds.
. Spelljamer "ships" can navigate on the astral sea... but also other weirder places.
. The "phlogiston space" that separate the different WORLDS of the (inifinite) Material Plane is completely "opaque" to divine influence [this is by design, as it separates/incomunicate the deities of different pantheons from each other].
. Clerics simply can not recover spellslots (or use ~most~ of the divine_given features of their class) while they are "between worlds", yet still inside the Material Plane.
. Bards use their magical abilities by "tapping" into the Essence of Magic THROUGH the Weave (rather than by manipulating it directly), by coercing the pseudo_divine "collective conciousness" generated by all mortals [both living or "dead", for the case of druids or "nature spirits" who choose for their souls to still reside in a particular World of the Material Plane]; as this is how they access "Secret Lore" and "Magical Secrets" [that is tied specifically to the "canon" history of that particular World].
Unlike Warlocks (who usually get magical abiltiies through Persuasion/Diplomacy), Bards get their magic by "force" (Intimidation), taking what they when they need it from the local planetary/stellar "Hive Mind".
-> While technically speaking they COULD use the "conglomerate of subconciousness" of the few mortals inside the "bubble" of a Spelljammer ship (and of those close enough to others thay they can see them); in practical terms this is only enough for Level_0 cantrip spells [otherwise they would be also put into use to PROPEL the ships via spellslots].
Because Spelljammer ships can be used to explore/travel through the phlogiston, it would be a bad idea to "provide" this spells to those who could not use it there (primarily for players, as they may not be aware of all of this, but it could also apply in_multiverse to the characters, if they end up there unexpectedly or against their will).
In Boo’s some of the monsters have new weapons, that are not lists in DnD Beyond.
This book is kind of a let down :(
I love magic items, and only have a few, very niche ones? Big dissapointment.
But, it gives me lots of room to homebrew new stuff for Martial characters
Meteorite Longbow, allows you to spend a charge to turn an attack into an AoE
Magnetic Boots, works like slippers of spider climbing but for metal, and let's you anchor yourself in place to resist being pushed around
Gravity Hammer, spend a charge to replace 1 attack with a Push/Pull
Antimatter Crossbow, doesn't need ammo and deals necrotic damage
You can actually use that talarith if you are a thief rogue, which at level 13 lets you ignore the requirements for attunement.
My body is ready.
Level 14 Artificers can also use it.
The Talarith may require attunement by the Reiger but at 14th level and artificer CAN attune to it thanks to that ability
it gets that ingores requirements i believe
That would do it.
I definitely agree with you about us getting content cut because of the 3 book and DM screen design. I love the idea of it but I wish they would just bump up the price a bit instead of cutting content.
Isn't a Breathing Bubble already a Common Magic Item.
It is "common" because (almost) EVERYBODY needs it at some point.
Having an "unlimited" demand for this items (whole multiverse), means wizards & artificiers may give them priority (when creating magic items) over other posible options (investing aditional time & resources on making more of them than what they actually need), since there is someone "out there" that will buy the extras.
-> The level of the spell used to create a magic item & its effective price are not necesarily linked.
In this case a lvl 2 spell is required to make something that opens many posibilities (or is even required to make practical) any submarine or astral_sea adventure [ but there is a big "second hand" market for old, used variations of the item, so actual offer may be abundant in certain places, lowering the selling price].
the fish suit misses one important thing that could make or break it being useful: UNDERWATER PRESSURE RESISTANCE.
it means nothing to be able to breath and all that underwater if you're literally crushed to death by the water around you.
Does 5e have water pressure mechanics? Wouldn't that make the entire Plane of Water inaccessible to players?
I think they just ignore pressure mechanics in 5e like they do a lot of other things.
@@hatihrodvitnisson there are some pressure mechanics in Call of the Netherdeep. But any creature with a swim speed is immune to them.
@@azrielslytherin2604 Ah, well, since the suit gives you a swim speed, that seems like it would be taken care of anyway.
To be clear, the Talarith isn't limited to melee attacks; it just says "when you hit with a weapon."
This is in no way a fix for the lack of spells, but I think this is a good time to add the graviturgy magic from wildmount to the setting, even chonourgy could have a place here
Some interesting stuff
I was hoping for more though.
When you are as starved for content as an Artificer main, you'll take anything. That being said, it's a bit underwhelming on the spell side.
Highly recommend the book Exploring Eberron if you want more artificer content!
@@614Amsterdam Thanks
At higher levels (14 I think) the Artificer can attune to any magic item regardless of restrictions. So they can attune to the Talarith. But that's the only RAW way around it though.
Sticking to the 2nd edition boxed set and my own ingenuity and creativity for adventures in space.
Spelljammer seems pretty fun. Hopefully I'll be able to play in it someday
I definitely think that the Air Bubble spell should at least be part of the Cleric, Bard, and Warlock spell lists. Probably Ranger and Paladin also. I will probably homebrew it into my games. I know that can be difficult to do that with D&D beyond or similar sites.
It is on ranger. Ted misspoke.
Especially given the old spell to clean air on a whole ship was a cleric spell.
I hope the success/sales of Spelljammer means we’ll get a new book in the near future, with lots more equipment, spells, ships, ship combat, etc. I like the new books, I just wish they had more.
Except for the floor plans, the spelljammer rules could be a blog post. Your ship air bubble is the length of ship tripled. Ship combat make it yourself. The ship plans don't think three D. Boo has problem right off the bat as the adventure contains a new monster which should been in Boo. No new equipment list so A Giff will need 250 Gp for a pistol and 10 Gp per shot.
I wish they had as many magic items as they had in fizbands...i hear they had monsters in that book too but I cant find any videos on them :P
Well...there was very little content in terms of spells and items....not even Spelljammer stats in the item section? Idk... seems they dropped the ball on this entire setting... hopefully they don't screw up Dragonlance too. Is it just me, or are they really just getting lazy? We're getting less and less information every book...are they just pushing as much content to have it out for the 5.5? Does WotC know what they're doing anymore?
Frankly from what I have seen they did very well given the dumbing down of the whole system and the low page count if you ignore them burning down the phlogiston and grinding the spheres to dust
@@brianzmek7272 and the fact they're rushing out half assed and barebones books every couple months for some reason. I'm hoping they bring back some of the complexity to the game in 5.5
Personally I think they’re trying to avoid reprinting content from previous editions so they don’t have to pay/consult with the writers from those editions. It’s a cost-cutting measure that’s really hurting them content-wise.
@@hatihrodvitnisson yea, that and with them trying to keep things so streamlined it isn't helping. Don't get me wrong, i tried 3.5 and was completely lost cuz it was so complicated, and 5e is great for new players...but it could stand to have a bit more complex stuff in it...that and actually have completed rulesets for stuff like ship combat and crafting...and some of the classes are just ridiculously threadbare, which is a big detriment to the entire thing... unfortunately they're making a lot and so we'll keep getting this stuff
Funny how we get a spelljammer setting and get 0 magic items for martials. You'd figure these books would have 10 pages of magic items but we got less than 1 page.
Hey Ted! It seems they made a mistake and revealed a spell they cut. On page 28 of "Light of Xaryxis," there is a reference to a spell called "Repair Object," that has an asterisk indicating it can be found in the Astral Adventurer's Guide. It must've been cut!
Ooo good catch!
An artificer of sufficiently high level could use the talarith. I'd personally rule that the golem still uses the reigar's stats though.
It could also be interesting to homebrew talarith's of different rarity levels. Each one summoning progressively higher CR constructs or increasing force damage on weapon attacks
2 spells, one costs 5000 gold to cast, the other is basically water breathing but not quite as good. 😭 Was really hoping for some new weird spells, summon Goon Balloon, conjure laser pistol, etc.etc
Dont forget you can add strixhaven, ravenloft and fizbans multiverse to SPELLJAMMER.
Id add hunting multiverse dragons on the astral seas then adventuring to find all its lairs and hoards.
If you want a lot more spells and things that would fit perfectly in a spelljammer setting, check out mage hand press’ Darkmatter. I highly recommend it, our group has done a darkmatter game and really enjoyed it. We will be incorporating a lot from it in our upcoming spelljammer game.
Clerics' and paladins' gods usually don't follow the user into space
If you’re looking for space weapons, get a copy of the Goodman Ganes Expedition to the Barrier Peaks.
I agree that clerics should have it, as they've in the past, but bards and paladins have never known this spell. I'd be less worried if there was at least space-themed oath for paladins and domain for clerics. However, we get none of that. Wasted opportunity.
Was kind of disappointed at the lack of magic items and spells in the book. I wasn't expecting a ton of them, but it'd have been nice to have more general campaign items and spells instead of specific ones just for Spelljammer. Maybe they're saving that for another space book, but still.
I think the classes for Air Bubble is really only based around Nature and INT based casters. Nature because they can manipulate nature to create an air Bubble and Int because manipulating the essense of Wild Space is an Intelligence trait.
I remember you doing a preview (probably sponsored) for Dark Matter (from Mage Hand Press) previously Ted but I'd be interested in how you think it stacks up against the Spelljammer stuff
Seems weird that Rangers get Air Bubble but not Clerics...
I was also hoping for void element magic and space weapons . I don’t like the idea of backgrounds giving you feats I’d rather them give you magic items
I just wanted more in general. Spells, gear, ship combat, all the things. I know I would have paid more to get it.
Reigar Golem casts wish/true polymorph, higher levels but still
Thank you for another great info video. I’m really disappointed by the set. It just gives a superficial look at what Spelljammer is. The page count is obviously the culprit (Hasbro decided to increase the number of D&D releases per year and now it is showing), in addition to making it superunbalanced for the players. DMs need more concrete rules for ship combat, for example. I will have to mix these sourcebooks with other 5E fanmade adaptations of Spelljammer as well as the original AD&D boxed sets (full of lore missing here as well as other goodies).
I personally think its good that there is only small number of new spell options, in recent new books spellcasters gained many new things. So, the fact they decided to focus on something else will hopefully bring some balance.
So 2 spells 1 of which is only good in spelljammers and the other is a pretty good utility spell that can work in water campaigns or if the dm is using a poison gas.
Thief Rogues can steal that item
Crown of the Void was my goto item in 2ed
Is it possible to get printer versions of the spelljammer academy and anything else come for this? I need to have them in my hands to get my head round things; I can't stand solely digital content.
what are those swords behind you???
Aside from the races and monsters these Spelljammer books have been massive wastes of money and trees. ERftLW and EGtW continue to reign supreme over the campaign setting books.
Damn that was fast
Ted keto is pronounced Ki (like the monk) toe
This may be controversial, but I really don't like the "Eh just stick a magic chair on it and call it a spelljammer" method.
It kinda removes a lot of things that could be fun. Like, why do spelljammers need a crew? How do they get air? How are they powered?
These questions could have much more interesting answers, but it's just "the fancy chair handles it."
Im hoping for an intrepid content creator to adapt some of the magic items in 2nd edition SJ to 5e and publish these in DM's guild; that said, Im happy with few items that allow me to create my own home-brew
I was very disappointed in the books
if you want space magic, the graviturgy/chronurgy spells already exist. wotc too lazy
This is really lackluster. All the hype for this and there isn't much offered
I was hoping for more... This is kind of a let-down.
Maybe I'm toxic but since you seem really knowledgeable about the D&D content which gets released I think it would be a riot to see you pop the fuck off on wizards for skimping out on the content inside spelljammer or any of the past/future content; using comparisons to previous releases which really delivered.
Ah, yes, one bubble in a vacuum. Perfectly fine and exactly how t&e respiratory system works if one had multiple heads. You definitely don't breath through equalization of pressure.
My headcanon is that the spell also "shields" the living skin of the body with a thin "aura" of force that provides passive pressure [to prevent the lungs from overinflating and blood vessels randomly rupturing when exposed to vacuum].
Then, the "second head" is treated just like if it was another arm (any holes of tiny size like the nose, ears mouth (when closed) get "sealed" with the magical equivalent of a plasma window.
-> This was probably ment for the uretra/vulva & anus, but there is no reason it would not work for any other "holes", like an open wound or scar [that may reopen on vaccum unlike healthy skin].
@@adolfodef Are we thinking too much about this?
@@ARatherDapperTapir Nah. If anything we are not being creative at all.
@@adolfodef Oh good, carry on then.
Reads like they were testing out a new format to see how sales would change/increase. Having a player-specific book seems like an attempt to generate more unit sales and dnd beyond subscriptions. A cheaper book just for players might be more palatable than one big one.
I just want to know why I can't astral fish if the ship is moving faster than its flying speed.
...because you are moving at millions of miles an hour? What kind of fish could even react to the hook?
This pack is a massive disapointment
Yeah. I think everyone is a bit disappointed with the 5e Spelljammer.
These are all huge disappointments. There are magic items that do Air Bubble better without wasting a spell slot and spell known, including one in this book. Spells like Create Spelljamming Helm shouldn't even be spells they should be a more interactive form of magic that requires a complicated ritual. Why is the fish suit very rare, it's a purely utilitarian magic item that most dms will probably give to their whole party so that the campaign can be allowed to happen? You shouldn't have to be a spellcaster in order to attune to a spelljamming helm, that's dumb it's just a chair that controls a ship. The Wildspace Orrery is fine I guess but it's just a space gps. Why does the Talarith even exist, it's just an extension of the monster's statblock.
To be fair, almost anyone is a spellcaster by this point.
Okay, guys, the negativity is making me a little sick. They gave us six new races, 16 new ships, rules for Spelljamming, and a whole bunch of monsters INCLUDING 5 new beasts ALL of which Druids can Wild Shape into at some point! I've been hearing complaints from many Druid players that they haven't been getting many new Wild Shape options. Add all of that to the two Backgrounds, the two Spells, the three Magic Items, and the adventure and it's STILL not enough? I'm sorry; I don't wanna sound rude, but how exactly am I NOT supposed to interpret that as being greedy and/or ungrateful?!
Because Wizards of the Coast is not Santa Claus, they’re a business putting out a product intended to be purchased by consumers, and those consumers pay for those products so they’re entitled to voice and discuss their opinions even when those opinions are negative. I bought the box set, I’m happy with the monsters and the new ship statblocks and the race concepts (race *balance* is another matter entirely) but there’s no denying that this product feels very sparse given the price tag. The DM screen is nice but it’s not absolutely necessary and the adventure is just eating 64 pages that could have been dedicated to additional spells/items/ships or even to things like, idk, info on how to actually create Wildspace Systems or actual ship-to-ship combat, which is the thing everyone was actually wanting out of this. Don’t get me wrong, I understand people can act entitled for no reason on the internet, but in my case, I payed $70 for this set and that does entitle me to provide feedback on the product in whatever way I see fit, and that doesn’t make me ungrateful, it makes me a customer with a complaint, and judging by the general community consensus from what I’m seeing it’s a legitimate one. If customers weren’t allowed to complain then there would be no way to let it be known to the company they’re doing something that’s going to lose them business in the future which hopefully motivates them to fix the issue going forward. Calling any form of criticism “negativity” encourages the opposite, it urges people just to consoom product without any critical thinking and gives WotC the incentive to become MORE lazy and anti-customer because they know that people will continue to buy higher priced products at lower quality no matter what they do. Let people speak their mind, it doesn’t hurt you and it keeps Wizards accountable for putting out sloppy work.
@@bookwyrmbaneoftheplothole8500 You're missing my point; you're talking to a guy who seriously doesn't get what the fuss is about. The Astral Guide has rules for Ship-to-ship combat AND how to make a Wildspace System. It literally says to use the two Systems in the Adventure as models, and I don't see how it could be simpler; they're Solar Systems, basically. They have a Sun in the middle that is orbited by planets, some or all which may be orbited by moons. As for Spells and Items; well, sorry, can't help you on that one. Still, keep in mind that their is some world building between the Rock of Bral and the two Wildspace Systems in Light of Xaryxis. If you want more, you can use Tasha's and the setting books; the original Spelljammer had inter-system travel, and Tasha's has some stuff that works with it as well. Again, I don't see what the fuss is about; it seems like a "mountain out of a molehill" scenario to me. Believe me; I've been in those myself.
Look up the 2nd edition spelljammer books, read them over and despair how lackluster these books are. These are just 70 dollars for a 0 effort reprint of a 30 year old book with all the soul sucked out. Same thing happened with fizbans and the draconinicon. Just reprints with very little innovation while gutting all the good stuff at a 70 dollar price (tripple the price of most novels with 1000+ pages).
@@frking100 I... am content, thank you. If you feel there is stuff missing, you can adapt it; you're perfectly capable of finding something that works, whether by your mind or another's..
@@frking100 I... am content, thank you. If you feel there is stuff missing, you can adapt it; you're perfectly capable of finding something that works, whether by your mind or another's..