THE STORY OF JOHN LENNON'S GAY LOVE AFFAIR with Brian Epstein
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Did John Lennon have a gay love affair with Brian Epstein? Yes and no. It was almost a love fair, but no quite... it was never "consumated." |
In April of 1963, while Paul, George, and Ringo were chilling in the Canary Islands, John, instead of being with Cynthia, who had just had their baby Julian, jetted off with Brian to Barcelona, Spain, where night after night, according to Peter Brown, they would sit at sidewalk cafés, playing a peculiar game. 🗣️ "John would point out some passing man to Brian, and Brian would explain to him what it was about the fellow that he found attractive or not."
This begs the question of what really went down in Spain. Since John and Brian are gone, we'll likely never fully know, but the people around them have talked about it. John's childhood friend Pete Shotton claims in his book John Lennon: In My Life that John admitted to letting Brian, um, "do his thing," if you will.
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It's all rumors . John is not here too answer.
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He did answer the rumors.
I really dont care? If John had an affair with Brian or Stuart Sutcliffe, what would change for us fans? Nothing! I love Freddy Mercury's songs and his time in the Queen and Im not interested in his sexuality just his music.
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@@AnthropoidOne Whatever. This is RUclips. It is not a class in grammar. Get a life.
What a fantastic video have a wonderful weekend ❤😊
Can’t say? I’m not to judge or condemn ? Or even to criticize? RIP Mr. Lennon😢
Yes, true John is no longer here to answer? Thank you for your like.
He was a wife beater also..
@@jeffzimmerman9928 and you are fake news...
@@jeffzimmerman9928He hit Cynthia once and immediately regretted it. That's not to excuse that it happened. But calling him a beater makes it sound like it was something that happened more than once.
Beat the crap out of Yoko when she was pregnant . But he wrote Imagine so its ok right .
If this happen today, it wouldn't even make the news.
Well, maybe bailing on Cynthia
Wasn't there a song John wrote in the late seventies about the life of a homosexual that would 'nt be tolerated in this day and age but George Paul and Ringo were thinking of putting bass , guitar and Jangle piano on it??
@@rossdelain1645She’s A Friend Of Dorothy.
@prschuster "If this happen today, it wouldn't even make the news"
Yes, of course it would...imagine the headlines: "Lennon and Epstein found alive in 2024...spotted on holiday together in Spain". Such a story would be a media sensation around the world...although it does have a bit of a ":National Enquirer" ring to it. 😂
The biggest thing to take away from this was the idea that John's violent outburst was some weird, out of character thing. Maybe to that extent, but it's well documented that he could be very violent. He openly admitted that if he wasn't a Beatle he'd probably be in prison.
True in his younger years, but John was all about growth and shed that part of himself as he matured. I wouldn't debate he was a choir boy at any stage but he did realize he was chauvinistic and semi violent then changed himself accordingly so kudos to him for that.
Cynthia was so pretty!
That's a bit of a poorly chosen title dude
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I’ll say this, if Pete was such a dear loyal friend, he would have never written about a so-called gay encounter between John and Brian in the first place. Pete stated that he would have been loyal to John even if a murder had been committed. Where is Pete’s loyalty regarding this supposed situation? Talk is cheap, unless your getting paid for writing a book. John is deceased and unable to defend himself. Whatever John’s explanation was when he was alive, I say, “Let it Be!” It’s easy to cash in on someone who is dead.
I see no betrayal. given the totality of lennon's life, this supposed encounter is a very trivial matter. maybe pete just wanted to provide an honest authentic portrait of his friend. I don't see what the big deal is.
@@alanh7247 Whether it’s a big deal or not is not the issue. I am always curious about those who write books about the deceased that include so-called “revelations” or “facts” that cannot be proven. We all know that the dead cannot speak or defend themselves. It sounds, to me, like Mr. Pete was interested in making a profit off of his “friendship” with John. If you are truly a trusted friend and confidant, why tell, why write a book? and…If you write a book, why include a possible salacious detail that cannot be contested because both parties to your tale are dead. To me, true friends do not capitalize off of another friend’s death, but opportunists do.
Now, Paul, on the other hand, was close enough to John to know if something occurred between John and Brian or if such a tendency existed in John. However, Paul played it cool and disclosed nothing. That’s what real “friends” do.
@@thescienceofhome so... you think he's lying in order to make money... either he's lying or he's not... if he's lying, the story has no impact on lennon or his legacy... if he's not lying, the story has no impact on lennon or his legacy... in short, it simply doesn't matter.
Comprehension and context go a long way. Did I say that I think Pete is lying? My words indicate “skepticism” regarding Pete’s written account of John and Brian’s so-called sexual encounter. That same skepticism is also exercised in regard to Pete’s possible motive for writing a book about John Lennon (his dear friend) only after John’s death.
My point (please read my original post) details my curiosity about people (friends, etc.) who write books after the subject of their book is dead. (In this case, Pete, who is self-described as a very close friend of John Lennon.) In my opinion, as stated afore hand, true friends do not seek to capitalize (money and profits received) off of the death of another friend by writing a book that contains information (salacious in form) than cannot be confirmed or contested. My point is as simple as that.
Now, your repeated point about Pete’s statements not having an impact on John’s legacy (in response to my posts) has absolutely nothing to do with the point I was making and made. Your point is irrelevant to my point. My post did not address nor did it discuss an effect on legacy.
However, I will address this, your comment about Pete’s possible lying not having an impact on John’s legacy. Always know this, lying (the act of producing lies) is always impactful, perhaps in varying degrees, but it is always impactful. It robs us of the truth. Lying also changes perception and history. Lying, regardless of its impact - great or small, should always matter and should always be a matter of concern to us all.
John hung out with Elton John, Tony King and Brian Epstein
I wouldn't ever mess around with John Lennon but I do believe something did happen there
Paul made it seem like John would've done the Diddy deed lol
Take a look at Yoko…is a bromance a big stretch?🤣🤣🇺🇸
She admitted he was bisexual and she is as well. It is was it is.
" You'e got to hide your love away "
Who the hell knows about him and Brian but bailing on his wife right after the birth of his first child is low rent.
I guess you´ve been perfect all your life? You´ve never behaved poorly? Also, you think alot of men stayed home taking care of their baby in 1963?
@@comedyriff5231You don't have to have been perfect your whole life to criticize someone's decision. Otherwise, no one ever could have a negative view on what someone did because they stole a pencil on accident in second grade or because they wouldn't eat their veggies and threw a fit as a kid.
@@comedyriff5231bro...leaving your wife right after childbirth at home to go on holiday with a friend would have been questionable even in 1963. Of course I fully agree with you that we shouldn't get on our high horse and play the "holier than thou" game. It was only John and Cynthia's business. Incidentally, Cynthia is one of the very few class acts in a story (The Beatles) full of sordidness and betrayals....
He was also bummed by Elton, supposedly.
Elton was into much younger boys 💀
Coming from the gay community myself and understanding everything that Brian was going through while he was alive and managing The Beatles turn on I definitely understand why any information concerning a potential illicit exchange between him and John Lennon has been so sketchy. Brighten cannot talk openly about being gay, and John was one of his closest friends. The circumstances may be ripe for the rumor mill, but I don't think it's up to anybody to speculate, not even Paul.
John knew how much the Beatles relied on Brian and respected him. Lennon was always open minded intellectually curious person. I’m sure they didn’t do anything physical.
*_"Man, everyone's gay once in a while."_* ~ Sgt. Lincoln Osiris
Lol 😆
It's one big drag show
I could see Lennon being chill with homosexuality and confident enough to give it a shot if he had an interest.
I didn’t watch this video because I know it’s speculation. But when Paul McCartney was asked if John Lennon & Brian Epstein had any kind of sexual encounter his response was clear that he believed he hadn’t. Paul McCartney said he had seen John so many times totally wasted and never saw him once show any interest in men as he did with women. They were together so much of the time Paul said that if it were true he would have seen something at least once. This is the gist of what he said I don’t know the exact quotes. I’m not sure, but I believe it was said on the Howard Stern show.
sounds like nothing happened "it was never consummated" The End
True. This is all crap. Leave John rest in Peace.
You know I’m probably the only guy who’s boyfriend gave him grief (Not really he’s a fan too) for always sitting in The Beatles booth, I can’t believe what Brian would think lmfao 😎
Do and say anything to get views!
... it was the 60s, man
Paul; so cute, so girly and Sooooo GAY.🍌
No one said this sort of thing while he was alive.
how do you think they asked john about it then?
Very untrue. He punched out Pete Shotton, his good friend, for ragging him about it at a party Shotton sued and won.
@@FlipDahlenburg I've heard Shotton's version of events going around for decades. To me, it has the ring of truth about it. John was a complex man, and nothing of what Shotton alleges they discussed would seem out of character for him.
Yes, they did.
Of course they did. John himself talked extensively about his experiences with many and teased his bisexuality in interviews frequently during the 1970s. Do actual history homework, use your own brain.
Name a better couple than Brian and John
John and Paul
Bowie and Jagger
John and Yoko
@@dockerdave🎶 Yoko & me ... 🎶
Impossible
i don’t think you have paraphrased SHOTTON as clearly as you could’ve. anyone who reads his book will walk away with a more nuanced notion of the trip’s occurrences.
Amazing how much stuff folks now say about John, stuff they never dared say when he was alive. Possibly because then, he could have sued them for libel. What does it matter if Brian and John had, or did not have, an affair? Can we think of more important things please...world peace, hunger, climate change? That is more in line with Lennon.
wait... Brian was gay?
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so jl was ready and willing to take it up the hershey highway🤔
A rather unpleasant term
@@karaamundson3964 not really. chocolate as a euphemism is way more pleasant than the stench it replaced🤷♂
He said, she said. Rumours are just that...Rumours.
Are you not ashamed of this title?
No, why would I? John wasn't ashamed either; he said they had an (almost) love affair.
@@BeatlesBible1 Why? Because you lied, that's why. Lennon said they had an almost affair. Your title clearly indicates a homosexual affair. You don't know. You are a creep of the lowest order. Hope Yoko or Sean sue tf out of you.
@@BeatlesBible1True but the title makes it sound like it definitely happened. An almost would have cleared it up. As it is, the title is click bait
" You'e got to hide your love away "
He was fighting the system...so that;s enough to "blame" him with anything! Today they would call him a p@file. Just because to be gay now is ok. So fighting the system is the problem, nothing else.
the hours and the times
Did he also have something going with his shooter? We never know the truth.
In a letter written by John addressed to Yoko, John said the reason he was attracted to Yoko was because she reminded him of a man in drag.
Yoko was John's way of being gay without actually having to be gay
Does this make sense?
Yep! You bagged it!
Gossip gossip and rumours they will pull anything out for people to believe that stuff
Begs the question how very many “experiences” John had by the age of 22, with men who ‘did not identify’ as homosexual?
I hate to break into those invested in scrubbing the transgressive sex & drugs off the Beatles, the only thing more rock & roll than bisexuality is heteroflexibility. And there was Stuart Sutcliffe. And the sex workers Goldman investigated, and John's widow screaming about his bisexuality, as she has frequently & consistently for the past 50 years. But mostly it was John himself, constantly hanging out his slip saying things that no one but a bisexual man would ever even think up.
It's sad that John was also homophobic and violent, but he was just a man, and he could use some compassion just like the rest of us.
But world views are going to have to expand to include the reality of people like John Lennon who are not homonormative nor heteronormative. Would be nice if we could pull our collective heads out of our ass and demand truth out of the coming bio pics (yes Paul, even about you, historical truth matters) rather than let them shovel bullshit.
Canary Islands is Spain too, btw.
John was handsome. But Paul was a cutie like a girl, and soooo gay, so Brian would have loved him too.
Paul wasn’t Brian’s “type”. Brian was into bad boy rough trade .
@@pinkscorpion3295 Yes thats true
Interestingly paul is very straight
@@takaidesu1046 As straight as a banana🍌
OfTen? Is yous gay? Does yous comes here ofTen?
What?
What?!?!?!
Speaking of which, any truth to the rumor that Mick Jagger slept with David Bowie???👬
As far as I know, yes.
Supposedly, they were discovered naked together in the same bed by Jagger's wife, Bianca.
@@aisforapple2494Bowies wife
That is 100% true. But that doesn’t surprise anyone. John teased both of them for being so effeminate
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I heard it as I stated it.
Paul said it nouthing happen.
Much more likely that the (secretly at the time) gay Mr.Wooler wanted to know if he had any chance of his own 'encounter'with John which is why he brought up the subject. Wooler was not the 'taunting' kind at all but John took his curiosity as taunting and kicked the shit out of poor old Bob.
Bob Wooler was indeed gay. This information is hardly top top secret, and anyone who is surprised that many of the show business people surrounding the Beatles were gay is frighteningly sheltered. Also wise for folks to keep in mind that bisexual and heteroflexible people are also common.
@@RS-nf4vz I'm so pleased that notorious GAYte-keeper Owen Jones appears to have turned up to educate us about how sheltered , sad and stupid we are.
Thanks Owen😡
@PeasGraveny condolences on your hostile nemesis Owen, but I ain't him. More worrying is in your paranoia you’ve missed that my comment was actually in complete agreement with & in support of yours. You are correct it’s thought Wooler likely mistakenly thought John open to a bit of his flirting. Years later John implied that he had bashed the man in a 'bout of gay panic’. I was also highlighting for ALL comment readers that guessing at the facts is unnecessary as beyond this vid a great deal more information about this incident, the Beatles associates, the Merseybeat scene, and 1960s London is readily available in dozens of websites. Google can also help ANY reader improve their understanding of how very common sexually ambiguous experiences are in general, or bisexuality or heteroflexibility in particular.
I’ve not called you or anyone stupid and I’m sad for you that your misunderstanding upset you. Best wishes to you on becoming a happier, less hostile person.
@@RS-nf4vz I apologise for misunderstanding your point.
No worries. Folks with good manners or nice to find :)
Sooo you do know perpetuating the fantasy of Lennon/McCartney being the songwriters is done right? I mean what’s the point of living in a fantasy?