Tbh, I'm really excited about this. Much love & respect to Jimmy for what he's done for our favorite franchise, but its time for a fresh start for both sides. Time for the next chapter!
The craziest thing to me is that the way the Jimmy era started was all love. He even named his daughter Riley (I think maybe spelled differently). To get here, as a fan - forget the business side of everything - as a fan, and appreciating the incredible moments Jimmy has provided (specifically sending the #1 seed Bucks packing as an 8th seed), is crushing.
@ he has shown he can take g league dudes to the finals. Bam got the max and he didn’t. Do you think Bam would have taken those guys to the finals??? HELL NAAAA
I think Jimmy would be great playing for the Grizzles. His defense and tenacity fits with their play style. Grizz can give up smart, clarke, and kennard plus whatever draft capitol is needed. A line up of Morant, Bane, Butler, JJJr, and Edey would be amazing.
Miami would have to add to the package shipping out. Haywood and Burks attached. Miami needs to get 2 1sts back even if low value. I had jimmy haywood burks for brooks adams, jabari 2 1sts. Terry brooks 1 1st pelle to bk for cam Johnson, Bojan With cam and jabari the offense gets unclogged. All Miami has to do is somehow make the playoffs that's it. Doesn't matter how well they do. By making the playoffs they get to keep their 2026 from going to okc. Take the 2026 you saved and go the hornets to get back your 2027 from the rozier trade. If they do that it unlocks the 2028 to be moved because as we stand now the only pick they can move is literally the 2030 1st.
Crazy. I came up with a similar package. Smart, Kenard expiring deal plus Steven Adams's $12.5 trade exception gets it done. Ask for one of Memphis 1st rounders. They have 1 in 2025 and 2 in either '26 or '27
@@indade they were overrated when he was there. Not much difference besides everyone else evolving and getting better. Meanwhile these guys are still trying to preach the stale heat culture agenda and it’s falling flat.
@@just908blaze1 well, wasn’t it the bubble run, injuries the next season, and then Dragic was traded. Really only got that short sample size of what that unit could’ve been. The players “evolving” now still could’ve but Heat would’ve been in a likely better financial and assets situation now.
@@just908blaze1 Don't exaggerate. The Heat won many games with Dragic and got to the Finals with him in 2020, but he had that significant foot injury in Game 1.
As a Hawks and Twolves fan...I'm absolutely shocked that YOU guys are shocked that Butler would do this. Did you miss how terrible Butler was in Minnesota forcing his way out of town? He's a dirty bum that will pull anything to get his way. He didn't change ONE IOTA from the prima donna entitled brat he was in Minnesota. He is a team cancer. You HAVE to trade him ASAP to get him off your team before he completely turns the players against each other and the front office.
@@Big3foodventures man plz the dude dud it with a g league team get your head out your ass , an stop thinking like a cooperate ass hole jimmy gave miami heat money to
The heat carried him, where was he before he came? The bulls didn’t even think he was good enough to re-sign in his 20s. There’s a lot of revisionist history going on with Jimmy. He’s not a super star. He’s a good player.
@luism8130 where was the heat before jimmy came there. When that man said he wanted to play for miami people around the league said he doesn't won't to win cause tge heat suck two nba finals three eastern finals man shut up
People saying "they didn't see this coming" are foolish. Once Pat Riley told Jimmy to "shut up and dribble" basically, it was going to go sour from there.
Miami traded 1pick for Rozier to come out the bench… This explains this front office is washed… and now they gonna use the new Apron rules to justify their lack of movement…
They did what they thought was best at the time... Lowry didn't want to be there and they wanted to at least make a push in the post season to help Jimmy. Some of you people have no idea what they're talking...
When they traded for Rozier, he ess averaging 25 ppg for the Hornets. It was actually a good trade at the time. Lowry was non existent @contentlounge6652
This made me sick, I hate for him to go out like this but if he’s going to start throwing games, I think our hands are tied we have to trade him if we want to be half way decent this year. Sad day man, cause Jimmy has done so much for us, and I’m sad to see him go
50 mil to sit in a corner and sulk smfh. Thanks for the great moments Jimmy, hope u get a chance to win a chip somewhere else but at this point hes just a cancer on the rest of this roster and the young players. Were not contenders and thats fine, lets enjoy some of this young rosters development, ship his butt elsewhere for a good young player/s or draft picks or even expiring contracts cus right now this daily drama is draggin the whole team down
Heat Culture is supposed to be about hard work and winning and they half assed this entire window with Jimmy. He likely came to Miami with some mutual understanding with Pat that he wanted to win championships. Jimmy showed up and proved himself his first season on the team going toe to toe with LeBron in the Finals. He did it again in 2023. Pat never held up his end of it. I’d be pissed if I were Jimmy too. He gave us the last 5 years of his prime and the FO never had the faith in him to go all out on winning a title.
If im Pat and Andy, I'm getting Rich Paul on the phone right away to work on some three - four team trade to bring Fox to Miami. And see if we can work on extension. What do you have to lose now.
@alexagut How was Jimmy treated ? He got his first extension after the bubble. Second, it was Jimmy who wanted Kyle Lowry and the Heat to get him and give him a 90 million dollar extension three. Jimmy had better privileges better than the big three. What are we talking about. Jimmy doesn't even stay in the same hotel as the team.
@@sam232100 the front office turned this into a circus instead of a business decision. Not good for the Heat, not good for Jimmy. They should have dealt this behind doors and calmly during the summer.
@alexagut You are right, but they didn't, so this build is over. With Jimmy, it was fun while it lasted. It's time to go young. This is why I say call Rich Paul to see if Fox is willing to sign an extension and work on a three - or four team trade.
David made Shams report feel like it was just something he reported because he works for ESPN and needed to make a splash. David owes Shams an apology.
I like this lineup to tall and very young generation of miami.by the way lets forget jimmy he's talkative and asking to much money w/no ring in hes finger i hope no team well take him.
Jimmy ran his body into the ground giving everything he had for 4 years straight bringing this team to the Finals or ECF. Yea no fucking shit he’s aging into his mid 30s and sees Pat paying him back by telling him to run it back with bad teams, he’s gonna mentally check out.
It's been real Jimmy. Unfortunate we could never get over that final hump with you. Time to focus on the future now. Probably Bam, Tyler, Niko, Ware, Jaime, and then maybe you look to trade guys like Duncan, Terry, J Rich, etc to try and get some draft capital and build this thing back up again? I'm not saying you trade those guys all right now but maybe that's the next step after Jimmy
Jimmy has the right to request a trade, and Miami has the right to do whatever they want. The issue I have is with players who are getting paid but don't want to play. Teams should have the right to stop paying players who refuse to play while under contract due to negotiation issues.
Thanks for the breakdown! Just a quick off-topic question: My OKX wallet holds some USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). What's the best way to send them to Binance?
I am a heat fan since Jimmy came to Miami He brought something special in a league that is actually copycat league. He brought vintage basketball to an era of “analytic basketball” If the heat is walking out of him, they better build a super team like the Celtics, otherwise- they’ll be in the mediocrity waters for a while. Loved the last six years and too bad they couldn’t get the chip. It was special
I think Jimmy cant accept that he has aged. In miami he was finally the number 1 option in his career, and now he wants to be that somewhere, and that aint gonna happen. Even on the pistons he’d be playin behind Cade. But you’re a millionaire athlete in miami, you’re in florida so there’s no state income tax. So not only are you being paid a ridiculous amount of money, but you’re also getting the biggest percentage of that money. Then when you’re off the court you’re surrounded by the best nightlife and models in the country lol All this drama has made me appreciate Wade’s career more. Dude instantly accepted he wasnt the #1 dude with bron and decided to play second fiddle. Jimmy cant deal with it
No way, if I’m Pat Riley, I’m sending his ass home …Pat Riley is the ONlY exec in the league who has the cache to stand up to players…Pat Riley should not be forced to trade him for peanuts cause he is upset…The man signed a contract, and if I’m Riley, I rather let him walk and let the money go off the books than take some bullshit salaries cause Jimmy is pissed…If he don’t want to play, send him home..
@AlainNavasDrama that's not fair to the rest of the team. They deserve to be free of this dude's antics. They need him out of that locker room and off of this team. They were finding themselves without him anyway. Why destroy thr locker room just to "stand up" to a guy that no longer wants to be here......and how does that help with the pursuit of players in the future? Par already had trouble from how D-Wade was handled and Wade got offer it and funneled Jimmy here. Let's not go down that path again.
Well…if you’re right then that simply means that Butler is even stupider, less professional and far more unprofessional than any intelligent observer already thought.
@DerekRitli-wh1xw having another great and outing out was what made the most sense for Butler. We all knew that. We also all knew that he thrive off of controversy and that every place he had left it was under dramatic circumstances. It's just who he has. He rebranded himself under the Heat culture because they accepted him for who he truly was and he still kicked up dust. He will never find the same level of success elsewhere but good luck to him. Call GSW and get this thing done.
He's been checked out the past 2 seasons. And fans cling on but the guy doesn't show up. Let him stew in the bench and get his cap space off season. We're not challenging Boston this season anyway.
My trade idea. Trade him to the hawks for Hunter and Capela’s expiring contract and maybe some draft capital. Hunter gives you a 3 and D guy with some versatility. Capela is horrendous but that’s the favor. If you can then move on from Rozier separately, you gain flexibility in offseason.
This for me is all Mickey Arison. The guy did not want to pay DWade and now did not want to pay Jimmy. The thing is its always the star that wins and this is bad rep from the Heat. For me if they just extended Jimmy and if some way he is not playing the way he needs play based on his contract... then the FO should trade him. They are just too scared of the age thing and the thing is he does not have like major knee injuries in the past to not play great past 35yo.
Miami Heat is right not to pay another contract for Jimmy, but he should have handled it better behind the scenes. They are holding him hostage now they need to trade him to a contender.
The guy who should have the biggest issue with how he’s being used is Tyler Herro. Hes now in year 6 and still is not allowed to shoot 24+ times a game and be the #1 scorer for the team daily. Instead hes still being punished for not being a great defender and asked to work on his pg skills. Newsflash, talented scorers don’t need to be great defenders and hes a SG not a PG. let him take the shots and move forward with him as the primary scorer, especially now with Butler going rogue
Hey Celtics fan here. Just came here to say…. HAHAHAHAHA all that “playoff jimmy” talk every year for what?!?! He’ll be known as Jimmy “0 rings” Butler from now on
Nope, sit his ass down and let him walk at the end of the season. It's not like it's 2 or 1 whole year left in his contract. And trading him will get us nothing. Unless u send his ass to the kings and get Fox
Nope! Force him to still dress for every game, give him two minutes of junk play time, ruin his career stats (AMAP), fine him for every possible reason, show everyone the truth about his lack of character and then lastly let him try his luck in free agency (when only two teams are expected to have any real cap space). Ruin him Pat!!!
I watched the nba finals runs by this team and am grateful to Jimmy Buckets. Thanks for the memories and I wish you well wherever you go. Just like Cam Ward Miami failed you. Time for Pat to go honestly
Spo and Riley been trying to make Herro the face of the team since the bubble. From the on-court philosophy (Spo) to the PURPOSELY lack of getting another star every off-season (Riley) it was sooo obvious
EVERY off season? What was the Lowry trade? What was the PJ contract (who refused to stay)? What was the Dame pursuit? What was the Rozier consolation trade? Were they not attempts to add to the roster FOR JIMMY?
I for one think Pat and the Heat had offers for Jimmy and Pat is being stubborn, pulling a Joe Cronyn, and it p....ssed Jimmy off, Really do you think he wants to get hurt in the midst of all this, probably why he isn't giving his all, sick of all this talk about how he left Chicago badly , he left because there because they were trying to extend on the cheap, Minnesota didn't want to extend him , to max Wiggins , and Townsend, Same with Philie and Phillie obviously has regrets for that decision, any player would have done the same in that position
Playoff Jimmy will never level up to Champion Jimmy. Andrew Wiggins already has his ring, gonna be crazy if KAT gets one. Wouldn’t surprise me if Jumpoff Jimmy never winds up in the Hall of Fame.
Jimmy's early shot clock one legged 3 pointer in the 1st qtr against the Pelicans was the last nail in the coffin for Spo. Gotta admit that was a shameful effort.
I like how Wes overthinks things….. keeps me entertained how fanboys can create alternative universes in NBA.Sometimes they get caught asking questions and making statements out of the same questions.
A lot of Pat stan's made excuses for the past 5 years of why this F.O didn't put a contending team around Jimmy Buckets. Now I can't wait to see the excuses by the same fools for when this team goes back to being irrelevant.
? Didnt put out a contending team? Two finals appearances - both of which were badly affected by injuries to key players. Nobody's fault that it didn't work. The window closed, at least the Heat had a window.
@AlejandroSuarez-cg6xu And this team has only gotten worse since those finals appearances. Face it sleepy Pat is washed and the other GM's knows this, which is why none of them will trade with him unless they know they can get a pick out of him. Which is why the heat have been unable to get a major star, because sleepy Pat didn't think those picks would be important. But guess what it turns those picks are important to getting a major star in the NBA where all GM's care about is picks.
On all of the potential trades previously for KD or Lillard, the other teams wanted Tyler or Bam or both. I'm glad Miami did not do that. Excuses?? I don't blame Miami for not throwing money away like the other teams do and look where it got the other teams?? They work hard to develop talent and only pay players that deserves to be paid. Who's out there anyways?? You think there's another KD or Lebron or Tatum the Heat can trade for?? GTFOOH!
@@AlejandroSuarez-cg6xu, The Heat have had a lot of undrafted players Jimmy has had to try to win a championship with. When fully healthy this year, sic years after signing Jimmy, the Heat are still starting Duncan Robinson any Hayward Highsmith, two undrafted players...
@@AlejandroSuarez-cg6xu The Heat have had a lot of undrafted players Jimmy has had to try to win a championship with. When fully healthy this year, six years after signing Jimmy, the Heat are still starting Duncan Robinson any Hayward Highsmith, two undrafted players...
Jimmy Thank you for everything over the years. Go get your bag and go where you’re appreciated, not where your tolerated. Thank You Dwyane Wade for asking him to come down here, it’s been a good five years. Pat will learn very quickly that another star won’t come here until he walks out the door himself. I watch him let LeBron walk, Dwade walk and Jimmy walk over money. Bam friends not coming over here, because it’s no loyalty or respect here. Bam will be the next one to go after this current contract is up if the roster isn’t upgraded
It's absolutely malpractice to pay jimmy a 3 yr extension into 38 years old. By the end of next season bam making 50 mill, Tyler is extendable this summer, you won't have money to extend a fucking thing
@devere316 first of all LeBron left because he didn’t trust d Wade could hoop anymore at high level had nothing to do with Riley, he essentially left Wade for Kyrie. Wade WANTED to form the big 3 elsewhere not Miami so that shows you where he’s loyalty was not with the heat. Yes d Wade influenced all great signings including Shaqs indirectly but the HEAT did draft him. With this Jimmy situation he wants thank you money and pay doesn’t play that game which is in the best interest of the franchise … I swear I hate this fan base .. if Jimmy gets his bag and the heat stay mediocre yall be killing pat for giving him the bag and if he trades all young assets they have to get butler some help yall cry as well. Bottom line is they’re better at their job than you’ll ever be.
@ money was involved too dummy, because Rich Paul mentioned it in a magazine if you ever read a book outside of everything Miami and Dwade mentioned it too fool. LeBron wanted the extension the year before the same way we watching Jimmy in real time and Pat said no. But also for everything the Heat has accomplished during these last 10 or 15yrs have Dwade Written all over it. Haven’t seen one superstar come to this team because of Pat outside of Tim Hardaway. That was because of Dwyane Tyrone Wade influence again, don’t see Dwade in any executive position in Miami. Dude retired and went to Utah right away, that’s not alarming to you stupid. Money has everything to do with this and power. James Dolan took a step back with the knicks and look at them now, you pay to win. Means you like working for the bare minimum obviously from the looks of it, you sound crazy. This has everything to do with Pat. Dude let Dwyane Wade walk out the door, because he was very deserving from everything he did for the franchise. Then homie said no, Charles Barkley bought this up three times last night. When I look at bam, dude is soft because he’s buddy buddy with everyone. Dude shot is broken, he refuses to shoot the ball, goes from a good shot if he immediately goes for his, then it turns to bad shot. Because he steady looking around to pass the ball. That’s not a leader to me playing like that on nightly basis. Y’all will find out when y’all are in the lottery this year or the next…lmfao
Trade idea…. Anything at this point lol. I’m very against giving away any draft picks since we’re at a deficit and the team refuses to bring in any real talent so let’s get some guys and hopefully 1-2 draft picks. But under ANY circumstances, NOT BRADLEY BEAL. I’ll take lakers pieces before taking him. Ideally DFox… wigs/kuminga… Jabari smith and whoever else from the rockets… not sure what Mavs can do but picks and multiple players is cool. Honestly every and any team can use Jimmy just like the Celtics use Jrue/White. So hopefully we can get it right here
Also the post by him and his agent playing dominoes at his locker is another sign as to like a smart ass remark as in doing nothing for the team does no one see this? “Employee #22 doing his job”
This relation has been ruin a long time ago. Jimmy obviously wants out this thing is only going to get uglier. He was awesome for Heat nation for a number of years , however if he wants to go let him go.
Ware performance is really defend on points guard abelity to feeds him i see a lot of ware oppurtunity to score by dunk under the peremeter but but a guard did not pass the ball, herro is good but he prefer to score than to pass.
lets talk about undergoal,Jimmy is not easy for him to score on this area, but look as WARE is too easy for him especially if the point guard is PRO-WARE.
Jimmy for Brandon Ingram or Zion Williamson of the New Orleans Pelicans, either would be a great deal for the Heat. Heat Culture would make Zion great again.
So without a Young prospect and picks. HOU still has the expiring salary to match Jimmy's money. Aaron Holiday, Tate, Landale, Jeff Green and Steven Adams. They are either immediately expiring or have more years but completely non-guaraunteed. This gets MIA off the hook for next year's money, as Jimmy likely will opt in for the final year of his contract. If Rockets do this, we also know it's a rental of Jimmy, as i doubt the Rockets will extend him at the money he's looking for. If traded at the deadline, there's likely pro-rated salary bonus for MIA remainder of this year, if you want get rid of the incoming players sooner. MIA will also be sending him to the west, so you see him less. Not necessarily proposing this for HOU, but working on the options on what's possible. A lot of my Rocket friends have soured on Jimmy, but i'm open to a rental. The thing about shipping him to places like the Wizards is that usually it's the team giving the aging player with enormous salary who also gives the picks. The bad team (Wizards/Nets) rent their cap space for draft capital, that's what Presti did to stockpile his war chest. I doubt MIA would want to pay any picks to get rid of Jimmy. But Jimmy still kinda useful even if injury prone. Maybe something can be worked out, where MIA can get 2nds off of a Wizard team. But for a tanking team, what does having Butler really do, Jimmy might just throw a tantrum again, because he's on a bad team. And do they want that around their impressionable young players. When Rockets had aging John Wall and his bad contract, it was eggshells to eventually ask him to not be around. We eventually rode out the Wall contract, but during that time his money was dead on the books, so even when Rockets was bad in those tanking years, we couldn't rent the cap space like the Thunder and accumulate more picks. Lot of missed opportunities.
Wes...Please stop cutting David off. Let him finish his sentences!!!!!!
Tbh…David rambles a lot. Wes has to keep him on task.
Wes has been cutting him off since they were with each other the first time
Wes interrupts David more than it needs to. David keeps it real while Wes is a little idyllic...
Tbh, I'm really excited about this. Much love & respect to Jimmy for what he's done for our favorite franchise, but its time for a fresh start for both sides. Time for the next chapter!
Already fucked up giving Bam the max. Can't afford to over pay for an aging, regressing and injury prone Jimmy.
Bam was the only allstar on the team though .
Love what Jimmy did for this franchise! But it's time to move from him
After seeing how well the young guys are playing im cool with this.. this is a young man league now. Look at the knickers, thunder and Celtics
playing well vs garbage teams. Miami's schedule doesn't start getting difficult until after all star break
The craziest thing to me is that the way the Jimmy era started was all love. He even named his daughter Riley (I think maybe spelled differently). To get here, as a fan - forget the business side of everything - as a fan, and appreciating the incredible moments Jimmy has provided (specifically sending the #1 seed Bucks packing as an 8th seed), is crushing.
stop copy and pasting you brick
His daughter wasn’t named after pat riley..
Per ESPN jimmy has officially requested a trade.
I hate when they use words like indicated
It’s basically Jimmy saying bam can’t carry. Like he did in Minnesota with KAT. And he isn’t lying. Bam isn’t taking the team anywhere
Jimmy says any team he is on is a championship team
@ he has shown he can take g league dudes to the finals. Bam got the max and he didn’t. Do you think Bam would have taken those guys to the finals??? HELL NAAAA
@ yes he took the bulls and Minnesota deep in the playoffs. Against Boston Martin in the ECF should have been the mvp.
But considering bam has been the only allstar 9f the team it's unfair to bam .
@@kevinward6141he took bulls and Minnesota where?😂
5 years with the Heat. Out of those 5 he got the team to 3 ECF and 2 Finals but this guys says he didn’t make Miami a contender? 🤡🤡🤡🤡
They swear Tyler and bam can lead us anywhere. They been fools
I think Jimmy would be great playing for the Grizzles. His defense and tenacity fits with their play style. Grizz can give up smart, clarke, and kennard plus whatever draft capitol is needed. A line up of Morant, Bane, Butler, JJJr, and Edey would be amazing.
Miami would have to add to the package shipping out. Haywood and Burks attached. Miami needs to get 2 1sts back even if low value. I had jimmy haywood burks for brooks adams, jabari 2 1sts.
Terry brooks 1 1st pelle to bk for cam Johnson, Bojan
With cam and jabari the offense gets unclogged. All Miami has to do is somehow make the playoffs that's it. Doesn't matter how well they do. By making the playoffs they get to keep their 2026 from going to okc. Take the 2026 you saved and go the hornets to get back your 2027 from the rozier trade. If they do that it unlocks the 2028 to be moved because as we stand now the only pick they can move is literally the 2030 1st.
Crazy. I came up with a similar package. Smart, Kenard expiring deal plus Steven Adams's $12.5 trade exception gets it done. Ask for one of Memphis 1st rounders. They have 1 in 2025 and 2 in either '26 or '27
when the Heat traded away Dragic, they traded the heart, and sold their souls. it festered after that moment.
Never won shit with him
@@just908blaze1 and now? how are they any different but less assets and cap by moving on from him.
@@indade they were overrated when he was there. Not much difference besides everyone else evolving and getting better. Meanwhile these guys are still trying to preach the stale heat culture agenda and it’s falling flat.
@@just908blaze1 well, wasn’t it the bubble run, injuries the next season, and then Dragic was traded. Really only got that short sample size of what that unit could’ve been. The players “evolving” now still could’ve but Heat would’ve been in a likely better financial and assets situation now.
@@just908blaze1 Don't exaggerate. The Heat won many games with Dragic and got to the Finals with him in 2020, but he had that significant foot injury in Game 1.
Tyler and bam are happy he’s leaving. They’re just being professional about it
As a Hawks and Twolves fan...I'm absolutely shocked that YOU guys are shocked that Butler would do this. Did you miss how terrible Butler was in Minnesota forcing his way out of town? He's a dirty bum that will pull anything to get his way. He didn't change ONE IOTA from the prima donna entitled brat he was in Minnesota. He is a team cancer. You HAVE to trade him ASAP to get him off your team before he completely turns the players against each other and the front office.
Everybody hating on Jimmy ungrateful af he carried us so far
He's supposed to, that's why he gets paid the big bucks 💰
@@Big3foodventures man plz the dude dud it with a g league team get your head out your ass , an stop thinking like a cooperate ass hole jimmy gave miami heat money to
The heat carried him, where was he before he came? The bulls didn’t even think he was good enough to re-sign in his 20s. There’s a lot of revisionist history going on with Jimmy. He’s not a super star. He’s a good player.
@luism8130 where was the heat before jimmy came there. When that man said he wanted to play for miami people around the league said he doesn't won't to win cause tge heat suck two nba finals three eastern finals man shut up
@@luism8130he’s a future HOFer goober
Guys, Bam said "yes" to hearing it for the first time.
People saying "they didn't see this coming" are foolish. Once Pat Riley told Jimmy to "shut up and dribble" basically, it was going to go sour from there.
He didn't tell him to shut up and dribble though .
Miami traded 1pick for Rozier to come out the bench… This explains this front office is washed… and now they gonna use the new Apron rules to justify their lack of movement…
They did what they thought was best at the time... Lowry didn't want to be there and they wanted to at least make a push in the post season to help Jimmy. Some of you people have no idea what they're talking...
Who gives a crap about what Lowry wanted. Stupid move no justifying it. 1st rd pic for him was a terrible move
@@joeshmow9097man lowry was an expiring bruh terrible trade man terry wasn’t a needle mover the fanbase was just glad we did literally ANYTHING
When they traded for Rozier, he ess averaging 25 ppg for the Hornets. It was actually a good trade at the time. Lowry was non existent @contentlounge6652
@contentlounge6652 It wasn't stupid. He did basically what Jimmy's doing now, so he had to go. They got 1 for a 1.
This made me sick, I hate for him to go out like this but if he’s going to start throwing games, I think our hands are tied we have to trade him if we want to be half way decent this year. Sad day man, cause Jimmy has done so much for us, and I’m sad to see him go
Why does Jimmy not have joy playing basketball now.
Dude is a professional basketball player. He needs to do his damn job.
The guy is sulking because he didn't get his extension boohoo
50 mil to sit in a corner and sulk smfh. Thanks for the great moments Jimmy, hope u get a chance to win a chip somewhere else but at this point hes just a cancer on the rest of this roster and the young players. Were not contenders and thats fine, lets enjoy some of this young rosters development, ship his butt elsewhere for a good young player/s or draft picks or even expiring contracts cus right now this daily drama is draggin the whole team down
Wait, we should’ve traded Jimmy last summer instead of not extending him with no plan forward? Wow, who would’ve thought 😐
But it's Jimmy who told teams not to trade for him because he wouldn't sign an extension with them
@ I didn’t know Jimmy was our general manager
So much for Heat Culture. Jimmy says "I'll play for anyone besides Miami". He stomped out Heat Culture. Dame Curse Continues
There's no curse only Heat media saying VERY STUPID THINGS THAT COST THIS TEAM GREATNESS...
Heat Culture is supposed to be about hard work and winning and they half assed this entire window with Jimmy.
He likely came to Miami with some mutual understanding with Pat that he wanted to win championships. Jimmy showed up and proved himself his first season on the team going toe to toe with LeBron in the Finals. He did it again in 2023.
Pat never held up his end of it. I’d be pissed if I were Jimmy too. He gave us the last 5 years of his prime and the FO never had the faith in him to go all out on winning a title.
If im Pat and Andy, I'm getting Rich Paul on the phone right away to work on some three - four team trade to bring Fox to Miami. And see if we can work on extension. What do you have to lose now.
Pretty sure Rich Paul does NOT want his clients to be treated like Jimmy and D Wade :)
@alexagut How was Jimmy treated ? He got his first extension after the bubble. Second, it was Jimmy who wanted Kyle Lowry and the Heat to get him and give him a 90 million dollar extension three. Jimmy had better privileges better than the big three. What are we talking about. Jimmy doesn't even stay in the same hotel as the team.
@@sam232100💯
@@sam232100 the front office turned this into a circus instead of a business decision. Not good for the Heat, not good for Jimmy. They should have dealt this behind doors and calmly during the summer.
@alexagut You are right, but they didn't, so this build is over. With Jimmy, it was fun while it lasted. It's time to go young. This is why I say call Rich Paul to see if Fox is willing to sign an extension and work on a three - or four team trade.
Wes been waiting on this moment all season
Hope he's happy now. Let's see who is the next superstar that wants to be treated like this.
We knew about this since Shans announced it. Passive aggressive drama over 50Million dollars .
David made Shams report feel like it was just something he reported because he works for ESPN and needed to make a splash. David owes Shams an apology.
I having the same sad feeling when Dwade left..damn dark times being a heat fans.. I am just being optimistic with the current roster
Jimmy quit on us. That's why I just wanted us to go with Ware, Bam, Jovic, Herro, and Robinson. After his comments on Christmas Day.
go find my comment
I like this lineup to tall and very young generation of miami.by the way lets forget jimmy he's talkative and asking to much money w/no ring in hes finger i hope no team well take him.
😂😂😂😂 @@norbertoaton9639
FRONT OFFICE quit on us. WAKE THE F#%^ UP.
Jimmy ran his body into the ground giving everything he had for 4 years straight bringing this team to the Finals or ECF. Yea no fucking shit he’s aging into his mid 30s and sees Pat paying him back by telling him to run it back with bad teams, he’s gonna mentally check out.
It's been real Jimmy. Unfortunate we could never get over that final hump with you. Time to focus on the future now. Probably Bam, Tyler, Niko, Ware, Jaime, and then maybe you look to trade guys like Duncan, Terry, J Rich, etc to try and get some draft capital and build this thing back up again? I'm not saying you trade those guys all right now but maybe that's the next step after Jimmy
Jimmy has the right to request a trade, and Miami has the right to do whatever they want. The issue I have is with players who are getting paid but don't want to play. Teams should have the right to stop paying players who refuse to play while under contract due to negotiation issues.
Let me tell you something
😂if we play jimmy any time it’s Over for us
It's not as if either party didn't know this day was coming. Jimmy's a big boy he knows this is a business.
Talking about the third greatest heat player in heat history like this is crazy lol
Wade, Lebron then Jimmy?
No way bro Jimmy is 4th you forget about Alonzo?
Wade Bron Zo Shaq maybe Jimmy he got no chips it is what it is
@@Ikuragaalonzo hasn’t done what jimmy has stop it
@@Therantguyyeazydamn how could I forget Shaq 🤣 my bad
Thanks for the breakdown! Just a quick off-topic question: My OKX wallet holds some USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). What's the best way to send them to Binance?
I am a heat fan since Jimmy came to Miami
He brought something special in a league that is actually copycat league.
He brought vintage basketball to an era of “analytic basketball”
If the heat is walking out of him, they better build a super team like the Celtics, otherwise- they’ll be in the mediocrity waters for a while.
Loved the last six years and too bad they couldn’t get the chip.
It was special
I think Jimmy cant accept that he has aged. In miami he was finally the number 1 option in his career, and now he wants to be that somewhere, and that aint gonna happen. Even on the pistons he’d be playin behind Cade.
But you’re a millionaire athlete in miami, you’re in florida so there’s no state income tax. So not only are you being paid a ridiculous amount of money, but you’re also getting the biggest percentage of that money. Then when you’re off the court you’re surrounded by the best nightlife and models in the country lol
All this drama has made me appreciate Wade’s career more. Dude instantly accepted he wasnt the #1 dude with bron and decided to play second fiddle. Jimmy cant deal with it
Naw he said he told James to tke over
Jimmy doesn't care about his trade value guys.....he is tanking his trade value on purpose. Get him the heck out of dodge.
No way, if I’m Pat Riley, I’m sending his ass home …Pat Riley is the ONlY exec in the league who has the cache to stand up to players…Pat Riley should not be forced to trade him for peanuts cause he is upset…The man signed a contract, and if I’m Riley, I rather let him walk and let the money go off the books than take some bullshit salaries cause Jimmy is pissed…If he don’t want to play, send him home..
@AlainNavasDrama that's not fair to the rest of the team. They deserve to be free of this dude's antics. They need him out of that locker room and off of this team. They were finding themselves without him anyway. Why destroy thr locker room just to "stand up" to a guy that no longer wants to be here......and how does that help with the pursuit of players in the future? Par already had trouble from how D-Wade was handled and Wade got offer it and funneled Jimmy here. Let's not go down that path again.
Pay him to stay home if you can’t find a trade
Well…if you’re right then that simply means that Butler is even stupider, less professional and far more unprofessional than any intelligent observer already thought.
@DerekRitli-wh1xw having another great and outing out was what made the most sense for Butler. We all knew that. We also all knew that he thrive off of controversy and that every place he had left it was under dramatic circumstances. It's just who he has. He rebranded himself under the Heat culture because they accepted him for who he truly was and he still kicked up dust. He will never find the same level of success elsewhere but good luck to him. Call GSW and get this thing done.
He's been checked out the past 2 seasons. And fans cling on but the guy doesn't show up. Let him stew in the bench and get his cap space off season. We're not challenging Boston this season anyway.
How are you not happy making $50 million at that age and playing the game you love.
It's time for Jimmy to go. He will always be a Miami Heat Legend!!! Thanks for the memories.
When players *think their agents are their friends is the problem.
#BurnBernie #HeatNation
My trade idea. Trade him to the hawks for Hunter and Capela’s expiring contract and maybe some draft capital. Hunter gives you a 3 and D guy with some versatility. Capela is horrendous but that’s the favor. If you can then move on from Rozier separately, you gain flexibility in offseason.
This for me is all Mickey Arison. The guy did not want to pay DWade and now did not want to pay Jimmy. The thing is its always the star that wins and this is bad rep from the Heat.
For me if they just extended Jimmy and if some way he is not playing the way he needs play based on his contract... then the FO should trade him. They are just too scared of the age thing and the thing is he does not have like major knee injuries in the past to not play great past 35yo.
Jimmy & Ty were talking about coffee ☕
Reminds me of a Kobe story in which Phil called him into the office to say he had to differ to Shaq, otherwise they’ll lose him. Same for tyler?
Miami Heat is right not to pay another contract for Jimmy, but he should have handled it better behind the scenes. They are holding him hostage now they need to trade him to a contender.
How did the heat get here ? BOSTON!!🍀😂 Jimmy finally figured y’all can’t mess with us
The guy who should have the biggest issue with how he’s being used is Tyler Herro. Hes now in year 6 and still is not allowed to shoot 24+ times a game and be the #1 scorer for the team daily. Instead hes still being punished for not being a great defender and asked to work on his pg skills.
Newsflash, talented scorers don’t need to be great defenders and hes a SG not a PG. let him take the shots and move forward with him as the primary scorer, especially now with Butler going rogue
Hey Celtics fan here. Just came here to say…. HAHAHAHAHA all that “playoff jimmy” talk every year for what?!?! He’ll be known as Jimmy “0 rings” Butler from now on
-GG Jackson, Brandon Clarke, Marcus Smart. Picks
- Jimmy butler
Send him packing
Nope, sit his ass down and let him walk at the end of the season. It's not like it's 2 or 1 whole year left in his contract. And trading him will get us nothing. Unless u send his ass to the kings and get Fox
I want Jimmy out Now !! But the comment about Spo , he is Rigth. He played Jimmy PF without reason. Yeah his role is different.
Nope! Force him to still dress for every game, give him two minutes of junk play time, ruin his career stats (AMAP), fine him for every possible reason, show everyone the truth about his lack of character and then lastly let him try his luck in free agency (when only two teams are expected to have any real cap space). Ruin him Pat!!!
I watched the nba finals runs by this team and am grateful to Jimmy Buckets. Thanks for the memories and I wish you well wherever you go. Just like Cam Ward Miami failed you. Time for Pat to go honestly
I agree with you David. I say sit Jimmy at home until he can be traded because until then, he will be a constant distraction.
Send his butt to Washington or Brooklyn we need pics to get a future franchise guy I’m tired of this… screw what’s best for him
The Jonathan Kuminga era has begun, Baby.
Once the Heat could have but did not extend Jimmy this off-season, this was inevitable.
Wes super happy now
The problem with trading Butler, is matching the contract. It’s going to be hard to trade him
Joni Mitchell never lied
He's mad that Riley ain't trading him, and knowing Riley forever, he's not moving until the off season, so nothing to see, until season ends.
Spo and Riley been trying to make Herro the face of the team since the bubble. From the on-court philosophy (Spo) to the PURPOSELY lack of getting another star every off-season (Riley) it was sooo obvious
EVERY off season? What was the Lowry trade? What was the PJ contract (who refused to stay)? What was the Dame pursuit? What was the Rozier consolation trade?
Were they not attempts to add to the roster FOR JIMMY?
@NellofTOC 💯 it wasn't enough but it's not like they didn't try. For example, Jimmy specifically asked for Lowry and his bloated contract.
@NellofTOC They been told Herro he was untouchable, the FO goal is to make Herro an all-star this season not win smh
They are playoff team will Hero. Jimmy can be the number 2 but he doesn’t care about the regular season
Soooo obvious? Herro has been in trade rumors for all of his tenure here lol, and then told nah you good. Lets not rewrite this
Spo is killing this team.
Facts
Basketball expert right here. Knows better than the Olympic team.
Funny how y'all acting sad, Danielle complained about Jimmy wanted him gone stop it
I for one think Pat and the Heat had offers for Jimmy and Pat is being stubborn, pulling a Joe Cronyn, and it p....ssed Jimmy off, Really do you think he wants to get hurt in the midst of all this, probably why he isn't giving his all, sick of all this talk about how he left Chicago badly , he left because there because they were trying to extend on the cheap, Minnesota didn't want to extend him , to max Wiggins , and Townsend, Same with Philie and Phillie obviously has regrets for that decision, any player would have done the same in that position
Pat has been the issue😊
SELL THE TEAM! I am done. 3 decades of loyalty for what? another 1st round exit???
Playoff Jimmy will never level up to Champion Jimmy. Andrew Wiggins already has his ring, gonna be crazy if KAT gets one. Wouldn’t surprise me if Jumpoff Jimmy never winds up in the Hall of Fame.
Bam is not an Allstar playing!
Jimmy's early shot clock one legged 3 pointer in the 1st qtr against the Pelicans was the last nail in the coffin for Spo. Gotta admit that was a shameful effort.
David is 💯 percent right
David is real I like it
50million drama ,wow talk about privilege
he's a fn man-child. he can f off into obscurity and decline
The man was homeless at 12!!!! He paid his dues WTF are you talking about WTF 🤔🤔
@shawtyeatemup1352 you can go with him
@shawtyeatemup1352 bye
I like how Wes overthinks things….. keeps me entertained how fanboys can create alternative universes in NBA.Sometimes they get caught asking questions and making statements out of the same questions.
Butler lives long enough to become a villain…again 😂
Miami will never win a championship with bam at center , bam is a power forward cheat code. 😤😔🏀📰 , miami #wasted the butler years
Definitely agree about Bam.. all the Heat need is a productive good Center
@@Quinwan hopefully Ware can be that guy
Miami has already won two championships with a power forward playing center. Chris was not exactly Shaq.
@StevenHughes-hr5hp Miami will waste bam years also at center. The league changed the cba to no longer be able to assemble Miami championship rosters.
@@patrickhumbled4087 Kel'el seems more willing to shoot threes than Bam is. Even played together Bam will be the one hanging out in the paint.
Why is this guy so happy?? How can anybody who is rooting for this team smiling full ear with this sad situation
Not gonna lie, i thought this would be the last year for #22, so trade now and rebuild starting in summer
I think they need to work with Brooklyn.
Would a rockets trade work? Jimmy for expiring contract Fred V and two young players (Cam Whitmore who’s frustrated in Houston and Reed Sheppard)?
A lot of Pat stan's made excuses for the past 5 years of why this F.O didn't put a contending team around Jimmy Buckets. Now I can't wait to see the excuses by the same fools for when this team goes back to being irrelevant.
? Didnt put out a contending team? Two finals appearances - both of which were badly affected by injuries to key players. Nobody's fault that it didn't work. The window closed, at least the Heat had a window.
@AlejandroSuarez-cg6xu And this team has only gotten worse since those finals appearances. Face it sleepy Pat is washed and the other GM's knows this, which is why none of them will trade with him unless they know they can get a pick out of him. Which is why the heat have been unable to get a major star, because sleepy Pat didn't think those picks would be important. But guess what it turns those picks are important to getting a major star in the NBA where all GM's care about is picks.
On all of the potential trades previously for KD or Lillard, the other teams wanted Tyler or Bam or both. I'm glad Miami did not do that. Excuses?? I don't blame Miami for not throwing money away like the other teams do and look where it got the other teams?? They work hard to develop talent and only pay players that deserves to be paid. Who's out there anyways?? You think there's another KD or Lebron or Tatum the Heat can trade for?? GTFOOH!
@@AlejandroSuarez-cg6xu, The Heat have had a lot of undrafted players Jimmy has had to try to win a championship with.
When fully healthy this year, sic years after signing Jimmy, the Heat are still starting Duncan Robinson any Hayward Highsmith, two undrafted players...
@@AlejandroSuarez-cg6xu The Heat have had a lot of undrafted players Jimmy has had to try to win a championship with.
When fully healthy this year, six years after signing Jimmy, the Heat are still starting Duncan Robinson any Hayward Highsmith, two undrafted players...
Jimmy Thank you for everything over the years. Go get your bag and go where you’re appreciated, not where your tolerated. Thank You Dwyane Wade for asking him to come down here, it’s been a good five years. Pat will learn very quickly that another star won’t come here until he walks out the door himself. I watch him let LeBron walk, Dwade walk and Jimmy walk over money. Bam friends not coming over here, because it’s no loyalty or respect here. Bam will be the next one to go after this current contract is up if the roster isn’t upgraded
It's absolutely malpractice to pay jimmy a 3 yr extension into 38 years old. By the end of next season bam making 50 mill, Tyler is extendable this summer, you won't have money to extend a fucking thing
He's 35 and declining...what are we doing🤦🏾 he wants what Giannis gets paid. He's not that calibre...I still blame Tibbs.
@devere316 first of all LeBron left because he didn’t trust d Wade could hoop anymore at high level had nothing to do with Riley, he essentially left Wade for Kyrie. Wade WANTED to form the big 3 elsewhere not Miami so that shows you where he’s loyalty was not with the heat. Yes d Wade influenced all great signings including Shaqs indirectly but the HEAT did draft him. With this Jimmy situation he wants thank you money and pay doesn’t play that game which is in the best interest of the franchise … I swear I hate this fan base .. if Jimmy gets his bag and the heat stay mediocre yall be killing pat for giving him the bag and if he trades all young assets they have to get butler some help yall cry as well. Bottom line is they’re better at their job than you’ll ever be.
@ money was involved too dummy, because Rich Paul mentioned it in a magazine if you ever read a book outside of everything Miami and Dwade mentioned it too fool. LeBron wanted the extension the year before the same way we watching Jimmy in real time and Pat said no. But also for everything the Heat has accomplished during these last 10 or 15yrs have Dwade Written all over it. Haven’t seen one superstar come to this team because of Pat outside of Tim Hardaway. That was because of Dwyane Tyrone Wade influence again, don’t see Dwade in any executive position in Miami. Dude retired and went to Utah right away, that’s not alarming to you stupid. Money has everything to do with this and power. James Dolan took a step back with the knicks and look at them now, you pay to win. Means you like working for the bare minimum obviously from the looks of it, you sound crazy. This has everything to do with Pat. Dude let Dwyane Wade walk out the door, because he was very deserving from everything he did for the franchise. Then homie said no, Charles Barkley bought this up three times last night. When I look at bam, dude is soft because he’s buddy buddy with everyone. Dude shot is broken, he refuses to shoot the ball, goes from a good shot if he immediately goes for his, then it turns to bad shot. Because he steady looking around to pass the ball. That’s not a leader to me playing like that on nightly basis. Y’all will find out when y’all are in the lottery this year or the next…lmfao
Wes you have to see these comments telling you let David finish his thoughts
Trade idea…. Anything at this point lol. I’m very against giving away any draft picks since we’re at a deficit and the team refuses to bring in any real talent so let’s get some guys and hopefully 1-2 draft picks.
But under ANY circumstances, NOT BRADLEY BEAL. I’ll take lakers pieces before taking him.
Ideally DFox… wigs/kuminga… Jabari smith and whoever else from the rockets… not sure what Mavs can do but picks and multiple players is cool. Honestly every and any team can use Jimmy just like the Celtics use Jrue/White. So hopefully we can get it right here
I like both of you guys take honestly throughout this convo…. Good stuff. It’s a very emotional time for Heat fans ❤️🩹
Also the post by him and his agent playing dominoes at his locker is another sign as to like a smart ass remark as in doing nothing for the team does no one see this? “Employee #22 doing his job”
Watching the heat crumble in 2025 is sooo satisfying. 😂😂
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Butler is pulling a James Harden when he left Houston
The MIAMI HEAT ARE FINE WITH OR WITHOUT JIMMY BUTLER...BUT WE WILL ALWAYS LOVE JIMMY.❤🔥🔥🔥
No chance Memphis would move Bane for Jimmy, especially since Jimmy just killed leverage
This relation has been ruin a long time ago. Jimmy obviously wants out this thing is only going to get uglier. He was awesome for Heat nation for a number of years , however if he wants to go let him go.
Ware performance is really defend on points guard abelity to feeds him i see a lot of ware oppurtunity to score by dunk under the peremeter but but a guard did not pass the ball, herro is good but he prefer to score than to pass.
i would just like to say to wes, i owe you an apology. shams too. i was mean, and wrong. and i apologize. i’m sorry
Some realistic moves can lead to this lineup.
Herro MPJ Ingram Bam Ware
Who are you trading for Ingram?
Jimmy is all about Jimmy🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
Jimmy can go, Keshad can hoop. Just start Keshad next to Bam/Highsmith and let Duncan/Tyler light it up
It's All Pat's Fault, PERIOD ‼️ #TeamJimmy💪🏾
Dejounte Murray and CJ McCollum, that’d be worth it surely
lets talk about undergoal,Jimmy is not easy for him to score on this area, but look as WARE is too easy for him especially if the point guard is PRO-WARE.
Jimmy for Brandon Ingram or Zion Williamson of the New Orleans Pelicans, either would be a great deal for the Heat. Heat Culture would make Zion great again.
JIMMY, JIMMY, JIMMY‼️💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
What was the trade that involved DeArron fox can we get him
So without a Young prospect and picks. HOU still has the expiring salary to match Jimmy's money. Aaron Holiday, Tate, Landale, Jeff Green and Steven Adams. They are either immediately expiring or have more years but completely non-guaraunteed. This gets MIA off the hook for next year's money, as Jimmy likely will opt in for the final year of his contract.
If Rockets do this, we also know it's a rental of Jimmy, as i doubt the Rockets will extend him at the money he's looking for.
If traded at the deadline, there's likely pro-rated salary bonus for MIA remainder of this year, if you want get rid of the incoming players sooner.
MIA will also be sending him to the west, so you see him less.
Not necessarily proposing this for HOU, but working on the options on what's possible. A lot of my Rocket friends have soured on Jimmy, but i'm open to a rental.
The thing about shipping him to places like the Wizards is that usually it's the team giving the aging player with enormous salary who also gives the picks. The bad team (Wizards/Nets) rent their cap space for draft capital, that's what Presti did to stockpile his war chest. I doubt MIA would want to pay any picks to get rid of Jimmy. But Jimmy still kinda useful even if injury prone. Maybe something can be worked out, where MIA can get 2nds off of a Wizard team. But for a tanking team, what does having Butler really do, Jimmy might just throw a tantrum again, because he's on a bad team. And do they want that around their impressionable young players.
When Rockets had aging John Wall and his bad contract, it was eggshells to eventually ask him to not be around. We eventually rode out the Wall contract, but during that time his money was dead on the books, so even when Rockets was bad in those tanking years, we couldn't rent the cap space like the Thunder and accumulate more picks. Lot of missed opportunities.
Tf!! He’s the only reason the heat been relevant the last 5 years tf yall talking about?! Yall will see a Bam and Tyler build and how bad it is