Had a 2021 tracker targa 18 for 1 year, bolts on the driver dash lost their nuts and bounced on my knee, passanger side dash cracked 10 inches with nothing on it, 1 small compartment snapped in half on me I'm a little heavier at 240 lbs but still thats not right, most parts in the floor I was scared to step on due to the floor bending, steering wheel started slipping at times (would turn but motor wouldn't turn), areators in the live wells didn't work from the start, called tracker about everything they basicly said to drop the boat off in the fall of 2021 and by fall 2022 they MIGHT have it done and basicly drove me off the phone it was such a joke, found someone to buy the boat from me as a "fixer upper" lost 20k$ on it, went to the lund dealer and got in all of their boats and literally jumped on every inch of their floors not a single movement even on the huge compartments, bolts have locktite on them to stop them from coming loose everything was amazing bought a lund equivalent for 15k$ less than the tracker was new tottaly regret the tracker and very strongly recommended people to stay away!
We are a boat repair shop and we see a lot of the Bass Tracker boats cracked by motor mounting areas. Also see cracking around live well corners. Good luck with your Bass Tracker !
Lund and Crestliner are the top selling boats for Northern US boats in the midwest. I use mine even on the gulf of Mexico. No matter Rivet or weld most boats like you are talking about will swamp and sink before getting damaged by ruff water. Trust me I have been in real water as a charter captain in the Gulf and I have also maxed out my 18 ' crestliner in big water as well. Most our comfortable walleye and bass boats would be fine taking on the maximum waves year after year. It has little to do with the boat falling apart as they are all strong enough to handle what they are built for. But without a self bailing haul and open bow at some point you will swamp the boat. So I guess once your boat is sunk who cares if your rivets or welds leak. These types of boats are made for nice days and small weather and should last a life time if taken care of young man. Now as for Bass Tracker, It's a great cheep little boat and if taken care of will last you years. I also see them in salt water. By the way ever notice that Multi million dollar Yachts have wood in them? Ever seen one of these new $500k and up boats with 4, 5 and 6 425's hanging on a transom made of wood ? Wood has been around since before Noah so I think maybe when you get a few more years under your belt you will understand. But at your age you already know enough about boats to give advice ? I'm 54, a licenses captain running boats as large as my home and down to 12' boat for bluegill. Been on the water all my life, and I am not sure I would ever have done this video. I don't feel I have the experience yet to say if rivets or wood or welded is best. I guess I went from 18 and knowing everything, to 54 and knowing nothing. Thanks young fella for the information. I'm 54 and will never know what there is to know about boats and water and when I think I have I will be in BIG trouble. Cap. T
If you ever want to solve the welded vs rivet question. Planes wings are riveted, not welded as in the majority of the plane. It comes down to flex required in aluminum. Rivet allows for flex. Weld joints don’t flex well. I’ll take rivet on this one.
Had a 2000 16’ Lund explorer. Solid as a rock. Never leaked a drop the whole time I owned it. No rot at all on the deck. Sold it in July of’20 for 65percent what I paid for 20 years ago. New Lund Tyee in the garage. No regrets.
I‘ve never heard more shit in my whole 41 years of life 😂 I owned a tracker....changed to a Lund and now I ride my 6th Lund....I would never change again.
I was born in 1990, and have my grandfather's 1983 lund 16ft with 2 Johnson tillers that needed carbs cleaned and a new gressing, the rivets are flawless, the floor is being replaced this spring, sounds like well built machine to me
Ive done a lot of fishing and guiding in some rough places (northern Ontario and sub arctic Manitoba) ROCKS EVERYWHERE!!!! Ive seen crestliner, alumarine, blah blah blah but by far the most reliable boats were the lunds (keep in mind these are also rentals and people treat them as such) Ive litteraly seen lunds smoke rocks and go completely airborne, front ends dented in like a pop cans, back ends cavitated in, dragged through the bush with atvs, stuck on rocks and dragged out trough rapids and battling 4ft whitecaps.... never leaked a drop. Complain all you want about welds, rivets and thicknesses but when its big boy time in big boy country, a lund will always get you home.
Had a fisher hawk which Basstracker made and owned and I broke 3 welds on the bottom from impacting issues . Insurance company scrapped it out said it wasn’t worth fixing because of cost . Guess what I bought a Lund which is riveted and it is still dry, handles the waves a lot better than your tracker does. A dry boat is a save boat. Also going back to the insurance deal another reason was they said there was a lot of issues with that style that broke welds consistently.
I worked for Lund Boats in New York Mills, and I definitely seen issues in manufacturing. The hulls were made strong, that was never an issue. The rivets have never been an issue and neither has the aluminum thickness. I agree on the price being ridiculous... The only downside I seen with the Lund boats is the interior. The interiors suck now, poor craftsmanship because the employees just dont care and quality was instructed to let a lot of issues slide.
I've owned 2 new lunds in the last 5 years. Who ever decided to put those screws in for fasteners for the interior should be fired. After 100 hours on each boat I've lost a bunch of them from rough water 😂
3. Lund has a true lifetime warranty on their riveted hull. Only fishing boat company to do so. I have a 14' riveted hull Lund from 1954, never once have I seen water in the boat from a seam. If you can find a Lund seam that has failed outside of operator error, please show me. 2. Yes, I feel Lund is expensive as well, but warranted too, a fully stripped down model Lund is comparable to a Tracker, Lowe, etc. Lund also has way more options and accessories available from factory. 1. Yes, most boat decks are marine grade plywood or balsa cored. However, the vinyl coat and/or sealants used protect the wood from rot. Unlike some manufacturers that just put carpet straight onto the decking, other high quality manufacturers seal and protect the wood. However, Lund has a full true lifetime warranty on their decking. If you want a full poly deck, you're going to pay for it...oh wait...I think Lund does that too. Mind you, I do like Tracker boats as well. Not as high of quality, but good boats in their own right. Either or, the point is having a boat and fishing. Boaters/anglers could go back and forth on manufacturers just like truck/car guys.
First please check warranty on lund lol i got new paint started pealing after one sisson and they don't wanna cover under warranty a lot of problems thousands questions and test ....
My Lund is older than you and still going strong after years of great lakes waves. There are still no leaks. A Tracker under the same conditions would be destroyed by now. My friends Tracker was literally falling apart after a few years. We had to hang on to the console to keep it in place. This video is just silly. Just look at the likes vs dislikes.
I own a Ranger with all the bells and whistles. 65k of All Welded Junk! They were sold to Tracker prior to our purchase, found this out after purchasing. 36 issues and counting, it's on its way back to the dealer for the 3rd time and hopefully the last if it's deemed a lemon law. Welded is not better, if you hit a rock you have to weld to repair or you can just put new rivets in. Had a 89 sea nymph with rivets, driest boat I've owned. Boat went into susquhanna river and lakes in canada, always anchored or docked against rocks, never had an issue. He gets a lot of views and responses by posting a controversial video, I'm in complete disagreement with the statements, especially when not backed with facts. Only thing that was stated correctly is they are far higher priced. I'll never sink my money into a Tracker product, they're complete shit! Even the mechanics at Bass Pro admitted to their lack of quality.
@@Tyler-zw4kq yes. I was told this by a sales rep at bass pro. I didn't want to believe it because I had read a lot of the reviews on Tracker and wasn't very impressed, so I did some research and Ranger sold off to Tracker.
@@Tyler-zw4kq same difference. Bass pro is tied in with several companies (Tracker, ranger, Triton and stratos) and their quality is lacking to say the least. Owned, operated, merged... the term is irrelevant when quality sucks.
@@Tyler-zw4kq my best friend bought a Tracker Targa and only had a few issues and typical problems you'd expect from a Tracker. I bought the top of the line Ranger with the all upgrades, from motor to floor and electronics... nothing but problems. A list of 36 issues after its first trip back to the repair shop. The first trip back was after our first outing during the first week of having the boat. Trailer cover ripped on the way home from the dealer, and nothing but new and recurring issues since. $65k spent, I would never do it again and will warn anyone considering purchase of these boats.
#3- you can't be worried/scared by rivets. They have worked for years and they still use them. They last the life of the boat if you don't abuse the boat. My 1973 12' jon boat is riveted and has had no rivet repairs/no leaks. Has had several paint jobs. #2- all boats are mostly made by hand/ not mass produced. Tracker is the most produced boat in the us so their quality/price can be cheaper. #1- as of 2018 lund switched their transom material to a composite that does not rot, water log, or compress. Other manufactures still use would though. A little research and these 3 topics are not concerns. Do not be misled by opinions that are not backed by facts.
I agree. By the way... jet fighters and most aircrafts are riveted and are abused by climatics changes, stress and daily flights ! So riveting is not that bad ☺ Rivets are mostly done by hand compare to welding that is done by robots in a manufacturing facility. So at the end rivets are more expensive and provide jobs ☺ you do have robots for riveting but in a tight environnement like boat building it is not optimum. That is my opinion no offense every builders have their plus and minus at the end it is personal tastes and believes. In other words it's hard to sell a Ford to a Mopar guy !☺
Lund vs ranger or the tracker is not even a comparison. ranger and tracker is primarily a bass boat fish while moving. While to lund. Is more of a sit anchor and fish such as carp and cat fish. Yest you can do that on the bass boats but it's more difficult as the idea is to catch the cat fish with circle hooks you leave the rod in the holder the fish pulling away with the bail while the pole resistance causes the fish to hook itself. On the ranger and most tracker they do not in most cases make them with a track gunnel. So you really can mount accessories with out drilling into the boat. Lund has that feature Lund is better sorted on big river such as the Ohio then those bass boats because it was designed for that Purpose and catfish tournaments. This is all subjective
I priced both the 2020 Lund 16.5 vs. the Tracker 16.5 size. Exact walk through, motor and fish package. Lund beat the Tracker price with more features and extras. Plus resale value blows the Tracker away. It's ok to have your own opinion but you must state facts if you are going to post videos.
@@PhilosophyDaily I actually did compare Crestliner and Lowe but ruled them out early because they were way higher in cost than both the Lund and Tracker. And again Lund's package was better. Lund was running a special for the boat class I wanted. So the price may be different today compared to April 2020.
Coming from a guy who drives a tracker....lowest quality cheapest made boat, bass pro mass produced garbage, look at how wavy the sides are on all tracker boats, cheap aluminum cheap welds, you get what you pay for. Lunds hold their value like a Toyota. As for rivets yeah they are so inferior that they are used on aircraft and ocean going ships. Hulls flex welds crack and rivets give, plus if you pop a rivet it can be sealed and replaced, good luck finding a cheap aluminum welder to fix a cracked weld. Lund double plates the bow section and now uses composite transoms. Get your facts straight man. Don’t bash something you have never owned. I’ve owned tons of boats the only ones that road dry and smooth for aluminum were the Lunds and they commanded the highest resale of any boat I’ve owned. Welds look a lot nicer I agree but there is nothing wrong with a rivet. But I’m with ya on the wooden decking really annoying they haven’t come up with a better solution to that yet.
@@PhilosophyDaily actually an aircrafts hull is even more critical for strength since it’s a pressure vessel and is constantly being pressurized and depressurized. So yeah rivets are definitely strong can’t say I know of a single wielded aircraft. So yeah maybe it’s comparing a lawn mower to a car, in that the lawnmower has car technology. 🤣.
my god😳 lund is the most renound aluminum boat on the market. on top of that, glass boats are NOT more flimsy, and weigh a hell of a lot more than any aluminum boat. the rivets aren’t the only thing holding the hull together either!? lund also hasn’t put wood in their boats since like the early 2000s either
Good luck with your Tracker boat, my Tracker Avalanche center weld keeps breaking and it’s out of the 3 year warranty and Bass Pro will not fix it. You get what you pay for Lund has a lifetime warranty.
The first two points were engineering complaints that I don't think you fully understand. There are different grades of aluminum just becuse it's slightly thinner does not mean it's weaker. Rivets are stronger then welds for aluminum the heat from welding and cause week spots on aluminum and are proven to not last as long. I would like to see you update this video in 10 years and see how you boat held up.
Lmao this guy knows absolutely nothing about boats 🤣 Lund is probably one of the most quality built boats out there next to Crestliner. Tracker is like the ryobi of power tools 🤣😭 ur just mad u cant afford a Lund.
@@adventurefishing3190 You ever fish a draw bass tournament as a boater? If I saw this guy walking to my boat as my nonboater I drew I'd probably just back out of the tournament instead of being angry on my own boat fishing for the next 9-10 hours :D
Bought a Lund last year, shopped Tracker, Crestliner, Legend, and PolarKraft, Lund and PK were the best built Imho. Also when comparably equipped they were all within about 5%. Bottom of the Lund is also double laminated aluminum.
Holy crap, little Bucket mouth Bash is at it again, Beatin and bashin anything that floats and only 16 years old and knows more about boats than Noah who built the Ark.
JAT Nobody is stopping you from watching a video where someone is paid to say great things. I will never be fake and/or dishonest. I will always have the best interest of my viewers at heart! Thanks for watching!🔥
Keep in mind that where lund is riveted the aluminum is doubled acting as a spar. Also aluminum has different qualities. Some is recycled crap with lots of impurities. I do agree the upgrade options are like buying a car in the 70s and 80s and they should just offer less customization and lower prices. Pros and cons. Think of campers and aluminum airstream campers The old ones are still around from the 40s and fifties and they have rivets but very good aluminum.
I'm not a Lund owner, but do have a 41 year ole, Deep V Sylvan . Rivet boat and it still floats and keeps me on the water. I have zero issues with rivets boats. If a weld breaks a whole seam could be a issue..Rivet boats Especially Double Rivets. Are extremely strong and if one does fail plenty to back it up..41 year ole Rivet boat still floating n fishing says it all. . A Lund is my Dream boat tho..
Just purchased a 1993 1775 Lund Bass Pro Adventurer w/a 90 hp Evinrude. I was sold the minute it cut through rough water like a fiberglass boat. Very very solid! Oh and I have a awesome 2 stroke mechanic as well. Tight rivets, no water in the boat and ran like a scared rabbit. I'll take it!
First off bro, Lunds comparison model to your bass tracker is the Lund pro v bass . All pro bass models have zero organic materials in the boat such as wood . What kind of Lakes do you even fish ? Little rookie puddles? I bet so, because you could never take tracker on big water like a great lake , one change in wind and that tracker becomes a death trap . I would kno Ive had a bass tracker 195 largest model you can get ! Terriable ride with cavitation and if you need to turn on a dime it aint happening . Prove me wrong ! Further more if you bought that brand new you over paid for a fn jon boat with a small ass motor that gets even more sketchy the faster it goes . Point is here, your boat can nvr be compared to any Lund with deep V Ips2 haul with 2 reverse chines . Bass tracker is not even in Lunds league. Dont get me wrong here bass tracker is ok but STAY IN YO LANE CHIEF!
All Lund boats have composite transoms for the past year or two now and will never rot. I bought a Lund two months ago and love it! I would never buy an Ass Tracker.
Some advice on evaluating a Tracker boat… go to the dealer and bring a screw gun.. remove some of the flooring.. at least as much as you can before the sales guy tries to stop you. With some of the flooring off, look at what is under deck, how it was installed, the welds, etc. If you still like it, it’s probably a good boat for you. My experience with a new tracker? My Tracker targa had copper based pressure treated plywood for the decking. After 3 years there was white corrosion everywhere and 1/2 of all deck screws did not connect to anything, and also saw many cracked stringer mounts. They do use heavy aluminum and prices used to be less but with the pandemic they have followed the others and charging more than an aluminum boat would ever be worth. All changing as inventories rise and inflation increases affecting people’s wallets.
Both are good boats, Lund makes a very nice boat and tracker does as well. I prefer the Lund over the tracker. Rivets don’t scare me at all, Iv looked at quite a few welded trackers and some had significant cracking. Either way you’re fishing and that’s the most important part! Stay safe!
Tracker is a bargain basement brand. Lund is a premium brand. Just so you know. Wait and see how hard it is to fix a weld if it fails especially with a cheap boat like Tracker. Only buy welded boats from high quality builders because welding aluminum is tricky and if done wrong the weld could fail and then the whole deck has to come off the boat to re weld otherwise it will all go up in flames. I would take it easy on the big waves with that boat.
Been running riveted aluminum boats since 1980 with no problems. Been running my 2006 Lund 1800 Fisherman since new on Lake Oahe, so it has been on rough water. No problems. I have seen a few welded aluminum boats with cracks in the transom area. Seams on welded boats are also known to Crack under stress.
What a tool. Extrusions, twin plating, composite transoms and a lifetime warranty on riveted seams is what makes Lund the finest aluminum fishing boat. How's the warranty on a break that occurs along side of your welded seam?
Riveted boats allow for better microflexion of the hull as the boat takes impact moving across the water. It's all about impact displacement. Welded boats a much more jarring and that breaks shotty welds. I have a 2012 Lund and I could not be happier with its performance over the past 12 years.
I have welded Crestliner and bought it new in 2001. It's been 22 years on the water and I ran it hard. I have no problems with my boat. If rivets are so good why do companies spend million upgrading their process to produce welded boats. If you like riveted boats stick with it. I'll stay with my welded boat.
Im exhausted from scrolling through the comments trying to find 3 people who agree with you. A friend of mine just sold his 7 year old Lund.. Ill go out on a limb and say he got more for it than you paid for your Tracker new. Aaaand.. he bought another Lund. Why? Because Lund boats are in a completely different category than Tracker boats.. people in the know choose Lund.
I work with structural rivets and welding daily. The work we do is overseen by various agencies, governmental and by some of the largest corporations in the world. I am qualified to speak on rivets and welding. They both have pros and cons. A riveted joint can be as strong or stronger than a welded joint. The weld can have holes. The weld itself can be perfect, but the metal surrounding it can be weakened from the weld. The argument for which is better is not that simple
The hull is riveted because when a hull is in stress welds don’t give and rivets give. Welds can crack and welds are not able to be repaired. Rivets are actually more expensive to do because it is hand made, welds are automated, ever wondered why trackers are cheaper than aluma craft or Lund
You should research more before making a purchase. Welded hulls are more prone to crack instead of flexing like riveted. Lund has made the #1 aluminum boat hull for years hence the price. I heard that lund also went to hdpe composite transoms so you might be wrong there also.
Nice vid. But ya might wanna research welded aluminum.. it’s weak no matter how you wield it...now bonded is what Ford uses on its f150s. But tracker vs any Lund is a No brainer. Lund every time.
Just spent 4 days in a riveted Lund boat. Not a drop of water in the boat. Boat never left the water. Also Lunds float stable even when complete full of water. They can’t sink.
Sir, what you forget to mention is Lund rivets on the spray rail which puts another 50 holes in the boat instead of roll forming the spray rails in the side aluminum sheet. Ranger aluminum welded hulls were a joke too as the guy who sold 15 of them at the Hammond, In store told me all went back to Ranger for cracked welds!
Lund boats have the best resale value on the boating market because of the outstanding quality, I think you need to reevaluate what kinda cheap boat you bought
I have seen more people have problems with welded hulls because the welds tend to crack and are harder to repair were rivets seems to stand up better and simple to fix if 1 does start to leak I have a boat from 1971 riveted boat and no leaks once so ever
I own a 2020 lund adventure 1775. I have an 80lb terova I pilot with helix 9 mega radio and came in 4000.00 under a 17ft pro guide. True lifetime haul warranty. Tracker was charging me uninstall and an install fee for electronics I wanted not the junk that comes with it. The welded haul looks like crap. Fit and finish sucked bad. Welds dont flex like rivets. Welds will break. Rivets are way better. And hold its value better too. All my friends that have a tracker hate it. I'm good with lund.
Rivets last longer and are easier to repair. Reweld or pop a new rivet in. If you take a big hit a couple rivets loosening is far less catastrophic than a weld failing.
I don't know the last time you looked at a Lund boat but the new Lund boats are built with a composite transom and composite decking the aluminum hull is a heavy gauge aluminum riveted hull is stronger than welded The reason it cost more is because the boat is built in the United States of America not in China like everybody else's you get what you paid for quality not something else right away in 12 years like a Lowe boat..
I’ve owned both brands. In the past, riveted boats leaked because of poor craftsmanship. Similar to poor welding. Lund however, have been superior in their riveted boats. Never had a problem with any of their riveted boats, even their old 1960 boats. Welding however can be strong, but poor craftsmanship will break where the welds are jointed. Trackers are great budget boats. However i think there is an issue with their quality control, it seems to be a hit or miss. Some trackers experience cracks along the bow of the boat where the weld is. Lund on the other hand have been very solid. I guess my purpose for this post is that it doesn’t matter if its welded or riveted. It all matters on how quality on the boat is. A quality riveted boat will outlast a welded many years and vice versa.
When I started looking for a new boat last year I ran into a lot of issues with the companies. Yes, Lund has rivets, but most boat manufacturers do. There is nothing wrong with rivets. the stiffness of the boat has to do with the foam used. Lund was not as expensive as the other companies I looked at. They were about in the middle of the line. Keep in mind, I went from a fiberglass bass boat to the deep V rebel and have enjoyed all the wonderful changes. Now I can fish on rough water and stay dry. So that is a plus to me. Is seems the biggest issue the presenter has here is the welded hull against the riveted one. So really they have one issue. the IPS they have is really good, and the only real issue I have with Lund is the prewiring of the cheap Mercury gauges. I opted for a Yamaha engine, and the Merc gauges do not take advantage of the wonderful information the engine provides.
Bass Pro Big Leader Lodge Bent Hook Marina told me they had to stop renting Tracker Aluminum boats they would not last on Table Rock lake. We just took our 1990 Lund down to Table Rock with no problems at all. Just take a look at the used boat market, you don't see any old Tracker boats.
Only a Tracker owner would say its better built than a Lund. And your riveted argument is garbage and uninformed. Do the research and do another video. If rivets didnt hold up perfectly then every airplane and fighter jet in the world would be welded. They are not. 10s of thousands of rivets hold jets and planes together. If a rivet does get loose it can be reset easily. You break a weld well you need to do a lot of work. First you need to get everything off the area so you dont catch your boat on fire welding it. Then you need to repaint the panel. Reseting a rivet is simple.
How do you compare Tracker to Lund with a straight face. I own a tracker Targa and I am selling to purchase a Lund pro bass. Had to watch this for the comic relief.
Bro I have had tracker and now have a Lund and it is night and day difference. Give your tracker five years of use and see how you feel ab it. Ford vs a Ferrari
My dad has a 1992 Lund tyee gran sport with a 2 stroke Yamaha V4 130. No problems other than the horn and live wells not working, but otherwise runs great.
I had a tracker boat and it failed at the double seem. I took it to a shop and they said the design they came up with was absolutely terrible. They tried to re weld the split down the middle and it still failed water tight. The problem was they filled the boat with foam and it made it that much harder to repair. Of all the boats buddy said came in he said tracker boats are the worst design ever. I have no connection to Lund all I know is these boats according to the shop is these boats are garbage.
Been on an airliner lately? Never seen one welded together. Rivets are built to absorb vibration and flex. Welded boats have to the thicker to be able to be welded. Old Trackers are infamous for cracking at the weld lines. Good welded boats are 0.25” material 7:31
Im not a Lund owner as I dont like the rivets. However to say Lund is crap is absolutely incorrect. They are the standard in aluminum fishing boats. The price is for sure part to the "name" however the quality of materials used inside their boats is superior to most brands, and their layouts are really good. Lifetime warranty etc. I am a Crestliner owner as I prefer the way Crestliner does the welded hull... not all welds are created equal, and in a lot of cases a rivetted boat is actually more durable. You would rather have a rivetted over the bass tracker especially if your travelling lots, or in big water. Maybe do a little more research first, however this will get you views and comments!
I have a Lund three of my close friends have Lunds. One of them is an expert fisherman Derbyb winning machine! They are great fishing boats I LOVE my Lund it is solid reliable timeless. He is over the top anti-Lund it makes no sense unless he is biased.
Got a 2002 lund pro sport not one drop of water after pulling the plug also saw a walleye series run to ground at 40 mph huge damage to the hull but still didn't leak
did you ever see what holds the brooklyn bridge together? 1 guess- and it was built before automobiles were around and now it carries 2 levels of cars and trucks across the east river in NYC. If you guessed, wait for it, RIVETS you are correct!
Had many riveted boats, no problems, 30 year old boat , no leaks! One Question, ever see a welded airplane? Why welds don’t give they crack. All aluminum boats are expensive these days !!!
I am in the market for a new aluminum fishing boat the three boats I’ve been looking at are StarCraft legend and Lund by far Lund had the most options biggest engine and a mini Kota trolling motor and was $6000 cheaper than both of those..
My friend bought brand new legend 4 years ago and nothing but problems with leaks and the foam under floor keeps falling apart and he had to disconnect the auto bilge pump as the pieces of foam constantly breaking off would plug up bilge constantly.
My current boat is a 1990 Alumacraft (riveted) and it has never had a rivet failure. Most boats will last a lifetime if you take care of them, riveted or welded. 30-40% more money for a Lund? That is pure BS; don't know why you would state something like that. My wife and I just did a comparison between the Crestliner Fish Hawk, Alumacraft, and Lund equivalent boats...Lund was the mid-priced of the three, while the Crestliner was the most expensive. We ordered a Lund based on the features and feel. I'm wondering if your motivation for disparaging Lund boats here is just for clicks since they are probably the most popular aluminum fishing boat. We chose to not look at Bass Tracker boats based on the quality of other Bass Pro products that I've purchased from Bass Pro/Cabelas.
Had a 70’s 16’ Lund and never had any water in the boat due to seams or rivets. I beat the heck out of it as well. If you’ve never spent anytime in something for an extended period of time than your opinion isn’t valid bud.
I’m glad you say you don’t take criticism personal. Because, most of your rant is just opinion with no facts. I worked as an aircraft mechanic in the military and for a major airline. We use rivets because they’re stronger. They don’t cause cracks. An aircraft fuselage takes a beating and welds crack, rivets don’t. Secondly about hull thickness, again you provide zero facts or science. Just your own thoughts. I think you should have kept them to yourself. I have had many boats but our 1984 Lund Mr Pike still runs like a champ, doesn’t leak and is rock solid. It’s hit plenty of rocks, never leaked a single drop of water. Finally, your price argument, you want a tracker? Me neither.
I have my Grandfather's 1964 Starcraft 17' riveted aluminum V. In 57 years of taking the boat to the rocky lakes of Ontario Canada and cruising the Mississippi every summer the boat has never leaked. I was into knee boarding and not nice to the boat in my turbulent teen years. I love the boat but still hate the Force motor I helped Grandpa put on it all those years ago but that may change sum day.
Riveted vs. welded hulls is an age old debate. Im not sure it really matters just as long as the manufacturer has the expertise to execute its chosen technique well enough. I don’t know enough about Tracker Boats to comment on them but I do know Lund has long proven they can produce a quality riveted boat that stands the test of time.
I own a 16 1/2' welded aluminum boat that I like very much, do I wish it was a riveted Lund absolutely! I also own a deep 14ft Lund, its a 1980 model and it has 0 leaks! This boat has been dragged up many rocky shorelines here in Northern Ontario and carried me on many crazy adventures that would have destroyed a cheaper boat. Ps. I'm pretty sure the engineers who design Lund boats are a little more Knowledgeable than this fella. I think he just really loves his Tracker boat. Don't blame him its a nice boat!
@@PhilosophyDaily they don’t crack on the weld, they crack in the heat affected area next to the weld. Lund can use thinner aluminum than Tracker because they know their riveted hulls aren’t going to crack.
Yeah because Tracker was cheap and didn't put enough bracing in there hulls causing oil canning while in the water. I should know I've spent probably 100 hours plus fixing my tracker, paying professional tig welders, fabrication, buying metal etc. Just want people to be aware of whats out there.
Wow!! What Lund are you comparing to your tracker?? LUND has MANY all welded boats, If you take the LUND 17' Renegade with the 90 HP yes it is more expensive, It is 100% welded and has no wood any place!! The hull thickness is .100 witch is the going average. I have owned a tracker and traded it for a LUND best thing I eve did!! Also did you ever notice that 747's and big jets like that are riveted together!!
you had me excited when someone FINALLY mentioned the renegade. The only comparable boat LUND makes to a Bass Tracker. Both are modified V hulls, similar aesthetic design, etc. Then you lost me. No aluminum boat LUND makes is welded, at least not late models. They use a composite glue and then rivet. They'll flex in big waves but not bust. LUND's IPS hull design, which they have on most of their economy line boats, is far and away a better hull to get on pad quickly and actually shed water away from the boat. LUND's IPS2 hull concept personifies this on the PRO-V lineups, Baron, etc. Bass Tracker's have their place. They're a great economy option. You see a ton of old ones out there. However since Bass Pro Shops bought out them and a lot of other manufacturers I hear quality and service by the brand have gone down hill. Same concept as buying a Wal Mart bicycle, you get what you pay for (convenience, availability, etc). Dollar to dollar, I'd spend more to get a LUND Renegade over a Bass Tracker brand new. Enjoy your welded boat, you'll learn :D
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Kyle Del Rosario Thanks for watching!
@@PhilosophyDaily no problem 🔥
How are you doing bro?
@@PhilosophyDaily I'm doing good bro I'm just working. How u doing bro?
@@kyledelrosario4619 Where do you work at? Did you decide to go to college?
You lost me as soon as I saw you standing in front of a Tracker. 😂🤣 thanks for the giggles kiddo.
Lmao Tracker guy just mad he can't afford a Lund. Thanks for the laughs young man.
Of course he went to the lund dealership and got sent to the bass pro shop lol
Haha well put! Pretty hard to beat a lund! All ive ever owned!! Worth every penny!!
Had a 2021 tracker targa 18 for 1 year, bolts on the driver dash lost their nuts and bounced on my knee, passanger side dash cracked 10 inches with nothing on it, 1 small compartment snapped in half on me I'm a little heavier at 240 lbs but still thats not right, most parts in the floor I was scared to step on due to the floor bending, steering wheel started slipping at times (would turn but motor wouldn't turn), areators in the live wells didn't work from the start, called tracker about everything they basicly said to drop the boat off in the fall of 2021 and by fall 2022 they MIGHT have it done and basicly drove me off the phone it was such a joke, found someone to buy the boat from me as a "fixer upper" lost 20k$ on it, went to the lund dealer and got in all of their boats and literally jumped on every inch of their floors not a single movement even on the huge compartments, bolts have locktite on them to stop them from coming loose everything was amazing bought a lund equivalent for 15k$ less than the tracker was new tottaly regret the tracker and very strongly recommended people to stay away!
The balance on lund is superior look how the trackers ass is in the water
You have alot to learn young man.
We are a boat repair shop and we see a lot of the Bass Tracker boats cracked by motor mounting areas. Also see cracking around live well corners. Good luck with your Bass Tracker !
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Yes but he saved 25% 😄
@@PhilosophyDaily I give you credit, you accepted him/her disagreeing with you and politely thanked them for watching, that's a plus for you.
This guy has a lot to learn!
Lund and Crestliner are the top selling boats for Northern US boats in the midwest. I use mine even on the gulf of Mexico. No matter Rivet or weld most boats like you are talking about will swamp and sink before getting damaged by ruff water. Trust me I have been in real water as a charter captain in the Gulf and I have also maxed out my 18 ' crestliner in big water as well. Most our comfortable walleye and bass boats would be fine taking on the maximum waves year after year. It has little to do with the boat falling apart as they are all strong enough to handle what they are built for. But without a self bailing haul and open bow at some point you will swamp the boat. So I guess once your boat is sunk who cares if your rivets or welds leak. These types of boats are made for nice days and small weather and should last a life time if taken care of young man. Now as for Bass Tracker, It's a great cheep little boat and if taken care of will last you years. I also see them in salt water.
By the way ever notice that Multi million dollar Yachts have wood in them? Ever seen one of these new $500k and up boats with 4, 5 and 6 425's hanging on a transom made of wood ? Wood has been around since before Noah so I think maybe when you get a few more years under your belt you will understand. But at your age you already know enough about boats to give advice ? I'm 54, a licenses captain running boats as large as my home and down to 12' boat for bluegill. Been on the water all my life, and I am not sure I would ever have done this video. I don't feel I have the experience yet to say if rivets or wood or welded is best. I guess I went from 18 and knowing everything, to 54 and knowing nothing. Thanks young fella for the information. I'm 54 and will never know what there is to know about boats and water and when I think I have I will be in BIG trouble.
Cap. T
"Rivets are cheap, low quality, and don't hold up." I don't know who taught you metallurgy, but when was the last time you flew in a welded airplane?
@@davidball4706😂
If you ever want to solve the welded vs rivet question. Planes wings are riveted, not welded as in the majority of the plane. It comes down to flex required in aluminum. Rivet allows for flex. Weld joints don’t flex well. I’ll take rivet on this one.
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I'm taking this knowledge to the bank. I like it
not to mention aluminum welds crack over time.
Planes are not made to float on water. They fly in the air.
@@bad_vaporizer your powers of observation are amazing. Boats flex friend.
Had a 2000 16’ Lund explorer. Solid as a rock. Never leaked a drop the whole time I owned it. No rot at all on the deck. Sold it in July of’20 for 65percent what I paid for 20 years ago. New Lund Tyee in the garage. No regrets.
I‘ve never heard more shit in my whole 41 years of life 😂
I owned a tracker....changed to a Lund and now I ride my 6th Lund....I would never change again.
EXACTLY
Thats what I was thinking... talks bad about Lund and buys a Tracker!!! Worst boat there is...
Thats why Lund comes with a Lifetime Warranty ! What is the warranty on your Tracker ?@@rds990
I was born in 1990, and have my grandfather's 1983 lund 16ft with 2 Johnson tillers that needed carbs cleaned and a new gressing, the rivets are flawless, the floor is being replaced this spring, sounds like well built machine to me
Ive done a lot of fishing and guiding in some rough places (northern Ontario and sub arctic Manitoba) ROCKS EVERYWHERE!!!!
Ive seen crestliner, alumarine, blah blah blah but by far the most reliable boats were the lunds (keep in mind these are also rentals and people treat them as such) Ive litteraly seen lunds smoke rocks and go completely airborne, front ends dented in like a pop cans, back ends cavitated in, dragged through the bush with atvs, stuck on rocks and dragged out trough rapids and battling 4ft whitecaps.... never leaked a drop.
Complain all you want about welds, rivets and thicknesses but when its big boy time in big boy country, a lund will always get you home.
Had a fisher hawk which Basstracker made and owned and I broke 3 welds on the bottom from impacting issues . Insurance company scrapped it out said it wasn’t worth fixing because of cost . Guess what I bought a Lund which is riveted and it is still dry, handles the waves a lot better than your tracker does. A dry boat is a save boat. Also going back to the insurance deal another reason was they said there was a lot of issues with that style that broke welds consistently.
I worked for Lund Boats in New York Mills, and I definitely seen issues in manufacturing. The hulls were made strong, that was never an issue. The rivets have never been an issue and neither has the aluminum thickness. I agree on the price being ridiculous... The only downside I seen with the Lund boats is the interior. The interiors suck now, poor craftsmanship because the employees just dont care and quality was instructed to let a lot of issues slide.
I've owned 2 new lunds in the last 5 years. Who ever decided to put those screws in for fasteners for the interior should be fired. After 100 hours on each boat I've lost a bunch of them from rough water 😂
This guys trolling to get views up so he can cash in, and upgrade to a Lund.
I thought the same thing
3. Lund has a true lifetime warranty on their riveted hull. Only fishing boat company to do so. I have a 14' riveted hull Lund from 1954, never once have I seen water in the boat from a seam. If you can find a Lund seam that has failed outside of operator error, please show me.
2. Yes, I feel Lund is expensive as well, but warranted too, a fully stripped down model Lund is comparable to a Tracker, Lowe, etc. Lund also has way more options and accessories available from factory.
1. Yes, most boat decks are marine grade plywood or balsa cored. However, the vinyl coat and/or sealants used protect the wood from rot. Unlike some manufacturers that just put carpet straight onto the decking, other high quality manufacturers seal and protect the wood. However, Lund has a full true lifetime warranty on their decking. If you want a full poly deck, you're going to pay for it...oh wait...I think Lund does that too.
Mind you, I do like Tracker boats as well. Not as high of quality, but good boats in their own right.
Either or, the point is having a boat and fishing. Boaters/anglers could go back and forth on manufacturers just like truck/car guys.
Bryce Wallace Thanks for watching!🔥
First please check warranty on lund lol i got new paint started pealing after one sisson and they don't wanna cover under warranty a lot of problems thousands questions and test ....
Polar Kraft has lifetime also
Lund has a lifetime warranty on the "double riveted seams only". All those single rivets are not covered by the lifetime warranty.
Tracker has a true lifetime warranty on hull and deck as well. Trick is getting any of them to honor it.
I was in the US Navy and the warship was riveted!
I’m not talking about warships; I’m talking about bass boats. Notice the size difference. Thanks for your service.
@PhilosophyDaily Im talking about marine engineering!
I have a 25 yr old Lund, and it is completely dry!
My Lund is older than you and still going strong after years of great lakes waves. There are still no leaks. A Tracker under the same conditions would be destroyed by now. My friends Tracker was literally falling apart after a few years. We had to hang on to the console to keep it in place. This video is just silly. Just look at the likes vs dislikes.
I own a Ranger with all the bells and whistles. 65k of All Welded Junk! They were sold to Tracker prior to our purchase, found this out after purchasing. 36 issues and counting, it's on its way back to the dealer for the 3rd time and hopefully the last if it's deemed a lemon law. Welded is not better, if you hit a rock you have to weld to repair or you can just put new rivets in. Had a 89 sea nymph with rivets, driest boat I've owned. Boat went into susquhanna river and lakes in canada, always anchored or docked against rocks, never had an issue. He gets a lot of views and responses by posting a controversial video, I'm in complete disagreement with the statements, especially when not backed with facts. Only thing that was stated correctly is they are far higher priced. I'll never sink my money into a Tracker product, they're complete shit! Even the mechanics at Bass Pro admitted to their lack of quality.
@@Tyler-zw4kq yes. I was told this by a sales rep at bass pro. I didn't want to believe it because I had read a lot of the reviews on Tracker and wasn't very impressed, so I did some research and Ranger sold off to Tracker.
@@Tyler-zw4kq same difference. Bass pro is tied in with several companies (Tracker, ranger, Triton and stratos) and their quality is lacking to say the least. Owned, operated, merged... the term is irrelevant when quality sucks.
@@Tyler-zw4kq my best friend bought a Tracker Targa and only had a few issues and typical problems you'd expect from a Tracker. I bought the top of the line Ranger with the all upgrades, from motor to floor and electronics... nothing but problems. A list of 36 issues after its first trip back to the repair shop. The first trip back was after our first outing during the first week of having the boat. Trailer cover ripped on the way home from the dealer, and nothing but new and recurring issues since. $65k spent, I would never do it again and will warn anyone considering purchase of these boats.
Thanks for the laugh kid. Can't wait for your next video; "The TRUTH About St. Croix Fishing Rods! Top 3 Problems."
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OMG holy s**t this comment is the best.
No, no not my St. Croix!
#3- you can't be worried/scared by rivets. They have worked for years and they still use them. They last the life of the boat if you don't abuse the boat. My 1973 12' jon boat is riveted and has had no rivet repairs/no leaks. Has had several paint jobs.
#2- all boats are mostly made by hand/ not mass produced. Tracker is the most produced boat in the us so their quality/price can be cheaper.
#1- as of 2018 lund switched their transom material to a composite that does not rot, water log, or compress. Other manufactures still use would though. A little research and these 3 topics are not concerns.
Do not be misled by opinions that are not backed by facts.
I agree. By the way... jet fighters and most aircrafts are riveted and are abused by climatics changes, stress and daily flights ! So riveting is not that bad ☺ Rivets are mostly done by hand compare to welding that is done by robots in a manufacturing facility. So at the end rivets are more expensive and provide jobs ☺ you do have robots for riveting but in a tight environnement like boat building it is not optimum. That is my opinion no offense every builders have their plus and minus at the end it is personal tastes and believes. In other words it's hard to sell a Ford to a Mopar guy !☺
Sorry, but you are completely wrong, lund has the highest quality boats out there, way better than that tracker.
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If you think Lund is the best... have you ever sat in a ranger?
@@jasonbrisco Lund guys could not even comprehend the luxury and complexity of a ranger
Lund vs ranger or the tracker is not even a comparison. ranger and tracker is primarily a bass boat fish while moving. While to lund. Is more of a sit anchor and fish such as carp and cat fish.
Yest you can do that on the bass boats but it's more difficult as the idea is to catch the cat fish with circle hooks you leave the rod in the holder the fish pulling away with the bail while the pole resistance causes the fish to hook itself.
On the ranger and most tracker they do not in most cases make them with a track gunnel. So you really can mount accessories with out drilling into the boat. Lund has that feature
Lund is better sorted on big river such as the Ohio then those bass boats because it was designed for that Purpose and catfish tournaments. This is all subjective
@@mountaineermoto8808 It depends on the boat ranger Lund and tracker all have deep v models and they all have bass boat models
I priced both the 2020 Lund 16.5 vs. the Tracker 16.5 size. Exact walk through, motor and fish package. Lund beat the Tracker price with more features and extras. Plus resale value blows the Tracker away. It's ok to have your own opinion but you must state facts if you are going to post videos.
Go compare it to a Lowe or CrestLiner. If compared against Tracker, Lund looks great. Thanks for watching!
@@PhilosophyDaily I actually did compare Crestliner and Lowe but ruled them out early because they were way higher in cost than both the Lund and Tracker. And again Lund's package was better. Lund was running a special for the boat class I wanted. So the price may be different today compared to April 2020.
Coming from a guy who drives a tracker....lowest quality cheapest made boat, bass pro mass produced garbage, look at how wavy the sides are on all tracker boats, cheap aluminum cheap welds, you get what you pay for. Lunds hold their value like a Toyota. As for rivets yeah they are so inferior that they are used on aircraft and ocean going ships. Hulls flex welds crack and rivets give, plus if you pop a rivet it can be sealed and replaced, good luck finding a cheap aluminum welder to fix a cracked weld. Lund double plates the bow section and now uses composite transoms. Get your facts straight man. Don’t bash something you have never owned. I’ve owned tons of boats the only ones that road dry and smooth for aluminum were the Lunds and they commanded the highest resale of any boat I’ve owned. Welds look a lot nicer I agree but there is nothing wrong with a rivet. But I’m with ya on the wooden decking really annoying they haven’t come up with a better solution to that yet.
Jon Wise Thanks for watching!🔥
I was about to say they still rivet aircraft lol
Logan Gritter That’s like comparing a lawn mower to a car. Thanks for watching!
@@PhilosophyDaily actually an aircrafts hull is even more critical for strength since it’s a pressure vessel and is constantly being pressurized and depressurized. So yeah rivets are definitely strong can’t say I know of a single wielded aircraft. So yeah maybe it’s comparing a lawn mower to a car, in that the lawnmower has car technology. 🤣.
Jon Wise You’re not seeing my point, but thanks again!
my god😳 lund is the most renound aluminum boat on the market. on top of that, glass boats are NOT more flimsy, and weigh a hell of a lot more than any aluminum boat. the rivets aren’t the only thing holding the hull together either!? lund also hasn’t put wood in their boats since like the early 2000s either
Good luck with your Tracker boat, my Tracker Avalanche center weld keeps breaking and it’s out of the 3 year warranty and Bass Pro will not fix it. You get what you pay for Lund has a lifetime warranty.
The first two points were engineering complaints that I don't think you fully understand. There are different grades of aluminum just becuse it's slightly thinner does not mean it's weaker. Rivets are stronger then welds for aluminum the heat from welding and cause week spots on aluminum and are proven to not last as long. I would like to see you update this video in 10 years and see how you boat held up.
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I have a 2001 lund pro v 2025 never seen a drop of water ..in the bilge..
Wait until that junk tracker cracks. And FYI it won’t be on a weld.
Who told you weleded is better or stronger for aluminum boats? Did you go to school? Wrk in a boat factory? Are you an engineer?
Yes and rivets will fail before a good weld
@@jimbob9799 which one will be catastophic failure?
Lmao this guy knows absolutely nothing about boats 🤣 Lund is probably one of the most quality built boats out there next to Crestliner. Tracker is like the ryobi of power tools 🤣😭 ur just mad u cant afford a Lund.
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This kid knows nothing about boats
Never heard of Ranger eh?
You have no idea what you talking about kiddo.
Jim J Thanks for watching.
Serious this kid is clueless. Id have to throw him in the water after 5mins of fishing
@@adventurefishing3190 You ever fish a draw bass tournament as a boater? If I saw this guy walking to my boat as my nonboater I drew I'd probably just back out of the tournament instead of being angry on my own boat fishing for the next 9-10 hours :D
1) Young, way too energetic youtube personality
2) owns a bass tracker
Lol ya I'm out
Thanks for watching! Have a great day!🔥
Cringe personality... trying way too hard ..
Bought a Lund last year, shopped Tracker, Crestliner, Legend, and PolarKraft, Lund and PK were the best built Imho. Also when comparably equipped they were all within about 5%. Bottom of the Lund is also double laminated aluminum.
Holy crap, little Bucket mouth Bash is at it again, Beatin and bashin anything that floats and only 16 years old and knows more about boats than Noah who built the Ark.
JAT Nobody is stopping you from watching a video where someone is paid to say great things. I will never be fake and/or dishonest. I will always have the best interest of my viewers at heart! Thanks for watching!🔥
@@PhilosophyDaily Thanks for watching!
Keep in mind that where lund is riveted the aluminum is doubled acting as a spar. Also aluminum has different qualities. Some is recycled crap with lots of impurities. I do agree the upgrade options are like buying a car in the 70s and 80s and they should just offer less customization and lower prices. Pros and cons. Think of campers and aluminum airstream campers The old ones are still around from the 40s and fifties and they have rivets but very good aluminum.
If you are buying marine grade aluminum, it will not have a lot of impurities in it. The manufacturer would get sued out of business.
I'm not a Lund owner, but do have a 41 year ole, Deep V Sylvan . Rivet boat and it still floats and keeps me on the water. I have zero issues with rivets boats. If a weld breaks a whole seam could be a issue..Rivet boats Especially Double Rivets. Are extremely strong and if one does fail plenty to back it up..41 year ole Rivet boat still floating n fishing says it all. . A Lund is my Dream boat tho..
“If I want to buy a boat that’s really fast but breaks really easily I’m gonna buy a fiberglass boat, not an aluminum boat” 😂
Bro I can't watch this guy anymore lmao
Are you a welder? Engineer? How many years on water you have? How many boats you own?
Just purchased a 1993 1775 Lund Bass Pro Adventurer w/a 90 hp Evinrude. I was sold the minute it cut through rough water like a fiberglass boat. Very very solid! Oh and I have a awesome 2 stroke mechanic as well. Tight rivets, no water in the boat and ran like a scared rabbit. I'll take it!
This might me the dumbest thing I’ve heard
First off bro, Lunds comparison model to your bass tracker is the Lund pro v bass .
All pro bass models have zero organic materials in the boat such as wood . What kind of Lakes do you even fish ? Little rookie puddles? I bet so, because you could never take tracker on big water like a great lake , one change in wind and that tracker becomes a death trap . I would kno Ive had a bass tracker 195 largest model you can get ! Terriable ride with cavitation and if you need to turn on a dime it aint happening . Prove me wrong ! Further more if you bought that brand new you over paid for a fn jon boat with a small ass motor that gets even more sketchy the faster it goes . Point is here, your boat can nvr be compared to any Lund with deep V Ips2 haul with 2 reverse chines . Bass tracker is not even in Lunds league. Dont get me wrong here bass tracker is ok but STAY IN YO LANE CHIEF!
All Lund boats have composite transoms for the past year or two now and will never rot. I bought a Lund two months ago and love it! I would never buy an Ass Tracker.
Hehe, ass tracker
Some advice on evaluating a Tracker boat… go to the dealer and bring a screw gun.. remove some of the flooring.. at least as much as you can before the sales guy tries to stop you. With some of the flooring off, look at what is under deck, how it was installed, the welds, etc. If you still like it, it’s probably a good boat for you.
My experience with a new tracker? My Tracker targa had copper based pressure treated plywood for the decking. After 3 years there was white corrosion everywhere and 1/2 of all deck screws did not connect to anything, and also saw many cracked stringer mounts.
They do use heavy aluminum and prices used to be less but with the pandemic they have followed the others and charging more than an aluminum boat would ever be worth. All changing as inventories rise and inflation increases affecting people’s wallets.
Both are good boats, Lund makes a very nice boat and tracker does as well. I prefer the Lund over the tracker. Rivets don’t scare me at all, Iv looked at quite a few welded trackers and some had significant cracking. Either way you’re fishing and that’s the most important part! Stay safe!
Tracker is a bargain basement brand. Lund is a premium brand. Just so you know. Wait and see how hard it is to fix a weld if it fails especially with a cheap boat like Tracker. Only buy welded boats from high quality builders because welding aluminum is tricky and if done wrong the weld could fail and then the whole deck has to come off the boat to re weld otherwise it will all go up in flames. I would take it easy on the big waves with that boat.
Been running riveted aluminum boats since 1980 with no problems. Been running my 2006 Lund 1800 Fisherman since new on Lake Oahe, so it has been on rough water. No problems. I have seen a few welded aluminum boats with cracks in the transom area. Seams on welded boats are also known to Crack under stress.
What a tool. Extrusions, twin plating, composite transoms and a lifetime warranty on riveted seams is what makes Lund the finest aluminum fishing boat. How's the warranty on a break that occurs along side of your welded seam?
Riveted boats allow for better microflexion of the hull as the boat takes impact moving across the water. It's all about impact displacement. Welded boats a much more jarring and that breaks shotty welds.
I have a 2012 Lund and I could not be happier with its performance over the past 12 years.
I have welded Crestliner and bought it new in 2001. It's been 22 years on the water and I ran it hard. I have no problems with my boat. If rivets are so good why do companies spend million upgrading their process to produce welded boats. If you like riveted boats stick with it. I'll stay with my welded boat.
Im exhausted from scrolling through the comments trying to find 3 people who agree with you. A friend of mine just sold his 7 year old Lund.. Ill go out on a limb and say he got more for it than you paid for your Tracker new. Aaaand.. he bought another Lund. Why? Because Lund boats are in a completely different category than Tracker boats.. people in the know choose Lund.
I work with structural rivets and welding daily. The work we do is overseen by various agencies, governmental and by some of the largest corporations in the world. I am qualified to speak on rivets and welding. They both have pros and cons. A riveted joint can be as strong or stronger than a welded joint. The weld can have holes. The weld itself can be perfect, but the metal surrounding it can be weakened from the weld. The argument for which is better is not that simple
I’ve had three Lund ProV’s! Never one problem! Out on Lake Minnetonka 2 to 4 times per week all summer!
The hull is riveted because when a hull is in stress welds don’t give and rivets give. Welds can crack and welds are not able to be repaired. Rivets are actually more expensive to do because it is hand made, welds are automated, ever wondered why trackers are cheaper than aluma craft or Lund
You should research more before making a purchase. Welded hulls are more prone to crack instead of flexing like riveted. Lund has made the #1 aluminum boat hull for years hence the price. I heard that lund also went to hdpe composite transoms so you
might be wrong there also.
Nice vid. But ya might wanna research welded aluminum.. it’s weak no matter how you wield it...now bonded is what Ford uses on its f150s. But tracker vs any Lund is a No brainer. Lund every time.
Just spent 4 days in a riveted Lund boat. Not a drop of water in the boat. Boat never left the water. Also Lunds float stable even when complete full of water. They can’t sink.
To sum up this video - “I can’t afford a Lund so here’s some excuses“
Another loser in the comments
and another one
Sir, what you forget to mention is Lund rivets on the spray rail which puts another 50 holes in the boat instead of roll forming the spray rails in the side aluminum sheet. Ranger aluminum welded hulls were a joke too as the guy who sold 15 of them at the Hammond, In store told me all went back to Ranger for cracked welds!
Lund boats have the best resale value on the boating market because of the outstanding quality, I think you need to reevaluate what kinda cheap boat you bought
Bro, night and day between marine wood and regular wood. They have a life time warranty on transom and they are composite now.
On top of that you can coat the wood in Gluvit which is what I did on my Srarcraft rebuild.
Welded boats will crack while the rivete will get loose and you change it😮
I have seen more people have problems with welded hulls because the welds tend to crack and are harder to repair were rivets seems to stand up better and simple to fix if 1 does start to leak I have a boat from 1971 riveted boat and no leaks once so ever
I own a 2020 lund adventure 1775. I have an 80lb terova I pilot with helix 9 mega radio and came in 4000.00 under a 17ft pro guide. True lifetime haul warranty. Tracker was charging me uninstall and an install fee for electronics I wanted not the junk that comes with it. The welded haul looks like crap. Fit and finish sucked bad. Welds dont flex like rivets. Welds will break. Rivets are way better. And hold its value better too. All my friends that have a tracker hate it. I'm good with lund.
Rivets last longer and are easier to repair. Reweld or pop a new rivet in. If you take a big hit a couple rivets loosening is far less catastrophic than a weld failing.
I don't know the last time you looked at a Lund boat but the new Lund boats are built with a composite transom and composite decking the aluminum hull is a heavy gauge aluminum riveted hull is stronger than welded The reason it cost more is because the boat is built in the United States of America not in China like everybody else's you get what you paid for quality not something else right away in 12 years like a Lowe boat..
I’ve owned both brands. In the past, riveted boats leaked because of poor craftsmanship. Similar to poor welding. Lund however, have been superior in their riveted boats. Never had a problem with any of their riveted boats, even their old 1960 boats. Welding however can be strong, but poor craftsmanship will break where the welds are jointed. Trackers are great budget boats. However i think there is an issue with their quality control, it seems to be a hit or miss. Some trackers experience cracks along the bow of the boat where the weld is. Lund on the other hand have been very solid. I guess my purpose for this post is that it doesn’t matter if its welded or riveted. It all matters on how quality on the boat is. A quality riveted boat will outlast a welded many years and vice versa.
When I started looking for a new boat last year I ran into a lot of issues with the companies. Yes, Lund has rivets, but most boat manufacturers do. There is nothing wrong with rivets. the stiffness of the boat has to do with the foam used.
Lund was not as expensive as the other companies I looked at. They were about in the middle of the line.
Keep in mind, I went from a fiberglass bass boat to the deep V rebel and have enjoyed all the wonderful changes. Now I can fish on rough water and stay dry. So that is a plus to me.
Is seems the biggest issue the presenter has here is the welded hull against the riveted one. So really they have one issue.
the IPS they have is really good, and the only real issue I have with Lund is the prewiring of the cheap Mercury gauges. I opted for a Yamaha engine, and the Merc gauges do not take advantage of the wonderful information the engine provides.
I agree with the cheap gauges. I wish Mercury Smartcraft wasn't ridiculously expensive.
Bass Pro Big Leader Lodge Bent Hook Marina told me they had to stop renting Tracker Aluminum boats they would not last on Table Rock lake.
We just took our 1990 Lund down to Table Rock with no problems at all. Just take a look at the used boat market, you don't see any old Tracker boats.
Only a Tracker owner would say its better built than a Lund. And your riveted argument is garbage and uninformed. Do the research and do another video. If rivets didnt hold up perfectly then every airplane and fighter jet in the world would be welded. They are not. 10s of thousands of rivets hold jets and planes together. If a rivet does get loose it can be reset easily. You break a weld well you need to do a lot of work. First you need to get everything off the area so you dont catch your boat on fire welding it. Then you need to repaint the panel. Reseting a rivet is simple.
I love these comments. Thinking about buying a 1976 LUND and the thing looks just as sexy as it did 45 years ago.
How do you compare Tracker to Lund with a straight face. I own a tracker Targa and I am selling to purchase a Lund pro bass. Had to watch this for the comic relief.
Sorry, Lund boats have HDP Composite Transoms.
for complaint number one. They have composite transom and a lifetime warranty on their decks
Lol, my 93 lund 1750 adventure would tend to disagree.
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Bro I have had tracker and now have a Lund and it is night and day difference. Give your tracker five years of use and see how you feel ab it. Ford vs a Ferrari
I’ve owned Lund boats my entire life. 6 boats in total. Not one of them ever leaked a drop of water.
Whats the better resale? Tracker or Lund?
My dad has a 1992 Lund tyee gran sport with a 2 stroke Yamaha V4 130. No problems other than the horn and live wells not working, but otherwise runs great.
I had a tracker boat and it failed at the double seem. I took it to a shop and they said the design they came up with was absolutely terrible. They tried to re weld the split down the middle and it still failed water tight. The problem was they filled the boat with foam and it made it that much harder to repair. Of all the boats buddy said came in he said tracker boats are the worst design ever. I have no connection to Lund all I know is these boats according to the shop is these boats are garbage.
Been on an airliner lately? Never seen one welded together. Rivets are built to absorb vibration and flex. Welded boats have to the thicker to be able to be welded. Old Trackers are infamous for cracking at the weld lines. Good welded boats are 0.25” material 7:31
Im not a Lund owner as I dont like the rivets. However to say Lund is crap is absolutely incorrect. They are the standard in aluminum fishing boats. The price is for sure part to the "name" however the quality of materials used inside their boats is superior to most brands, and their layouts are really good. Lifetime warranty etc.
I am a Crestliner owner as I prefer the way Crestliner does the welded hull... not all welds are created equal, and in a lot of cases a rivetted boat is actually more durable. You would rather have a rivetted over the bass tracker especially if your travelling lots, or in big water.
Maybe do a little more research first, however this will get you views and comments!
I have a Lund three of my close friends have Lunds. One of them is an expert fisherman Derbyb winning machine! They are great fishing boats I LOVE my Lund it is solid reliable timeless. He is over the top anti-Lund it makes no sense unless he is biased.
The wood in the transom of our 60 year old boat is still good and the rivited hull also is still good
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Wait till one of your welds crack. Hope tracker has good bilge pumps. Lot easier to replace those cheap rivets.
Got a 2002 lund pro sport not one drop of water after pulling the plug also saw a walleye series run to ground at 40 mph huge damage to the hull but still didn't leak
did you ever see what holds the brooklyn bridge together? 1 guess- and it was built before automobiles were around and now it carries 2 levels of cars and trucks across the east river in NYC. If you guessed, wait for it, RIVETS you are correct!
Had many riveted boats, no problems, 30 year old boat , no leaks! One Question, ever see a welded airplane? Why welds don’t give they crack. All aluminum boats are expensive these days !!!
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I am in the market for a new aluminum fishing boat the three boats I’ve been looking at are StarCraft legend and Lund by far Lund had the most options biggest engine and a mini Kota trolling motor and was $6000 cheaper than both of those..
My friend bought brand new legend 4 years ago and nothing but problems with leaks and the foam under floor keeps falling apart and he had to disconnect the auto bilge pump as the pieces of foam constantly breaking off would plug up bilge constantly.
Before our family got a new boat. We had a 1977 lund boat. To this day it still does not leak with rivets.
Rivets are the better choice on a bigger hp boat. Fully welded is fine with low hp.
Lund is 30-40% more than a Ranger? Riveted hull is bad but Lund gives lifetime warranty? This coming from a Tracker owner?
My current boat is a 1990 Alumacraft (riveted) and it has never had a rivet failure. Most boats will last a lifetime if you take care of them, riveted or welded.
30-40% more money for a Lund? That is pure BS; don't know why you would state something like that.
My wife and I just did a comparison between the Crestliner Fish Hawk, Alumacraft, and Lund equivalent boats...Lund was the mid-priced of the three, while the Crestliner was the most expensive. We ordered a Lund based on the features and feel. I'm wondering if your motivation for disparaging Lund boats here is just for clicks since they are probably the most popular aluminum fishing boat.
We chose to not look at Bass Tracker boats based on the quality of other Bass Pro products that I've purchased from Bass Pro/Cabelas.
Had a 70’s 16’ Lund and never had any water in the boat due to seams or rivets. I beat the heck out of it as well. If you’ve never spent anytime in something for an extended period of time than your opinion isn’t valid bud.
I’m glad you say you don’t take criticism personal. Because, most of your rant is just opinion with no facts. I worked as an aircraft mechanic in the military and for a major airline. We use rivets because they’re stronger. They don’t cause cracks. An aircraft fuselage takes a beating and welds crack, rivets don’t. Secondly about hull thickness, again you provide zero facts or science. Just your own thoughts. I think you should have kept them to yourself. I have had many boats but our 1984 Lund Mr Pike still runs like a champ, doesn’t leak and is rock solid. It’s hit plenty of rocks, never leaked a single drop of water. Finally, your price argument, you want a tracker? Me neither.
I have my Grandfather's 1964 Starcraft 17' riveted aluminum V. In 57 years of taking the boat to the rocky lakes of Ontario Canada and cruising the Mississippi every summer the boat has never leaked. I was into knee boarding and not nice to the boat in my turbulent teen years. I love the boat but still hate the Force motor I helped Grandpa put on it all those years ago but that may change sum day.
Riveted vs. welded hulls is an age old debate. Im not sure it really matters just as long as the manufacturer has the expertise to execute its chosen technique well enough. I don’t know enough about Tracker Boats to comment on them but I do know Lund has long proven they can produce a quality riveted boat that stands the test of time.
I own a 16 1/2' welded aluminum boat that I like very much, do I wish it was a riveted Lund absolutely! I also own a deep 14ft Lund, its a 1980 model and it has 0 leaks! This boat has been dragged up many rocky shorelines here in Northern Ontario and carried me on many crazy adventures that would have destroyed a cheaper boat. Ps. I'm pretty sure the engineers who design Lund boats are a little more Knowledgeable than this fella. I think he just really loves his Tracker boat. Don't blame him its a nice boat!
Little hint, next time you're on an airplane . . check the wing.. then google why they are RIVETED !
Yes! Exactly
Welded halls crack right around the bead of the weld
It takes a lot to bust a weld.
@@PhilosophyDaily Depends on quality, been there done it.
@@PhilosophyDaily they don’t crack on the weld, they crack in the heat affected area next to the weld.
Lund can use thinner aluminum than Tracker because they know their riveted hulls aren’t going to crack.
Yeah because Tracker was cheap and didn't put enough bracing in there hulls causing oil canning while in the water. I should know I've spent probably 100 hours plus fixing my tracker, paying professional tig welders, fabrication, buying metal etc. Just want people to be aware of whats out there.
Rivets are easy to fix and replace. Try fixing a welded hull on your own
Wow!! What Lund are you comparing to your tracker?? LUND has MANY all welded boats, If you take the LUND 17' Renegade with the 90 HP yes it is more expensive, It is 100% welded and has no wood any place!! The hull thickness is .100 witch is the going average. I have owned a tracker and traded it for a LUND best thing I eve did!! Also did you ever notice that 747's and big jets like that are riveted together!!
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you had me excited when someone FINALLY mentioned the renegade. The only comparable boat LUND makes to a Bass Tracker. Both are modified V hulls, similar aesthetic design, etc.
Then you lost me. No aluminum boat LUND makes is welded, at least not late models. They use a composite glue and then rivet. They'll flex in big waves but not bust.
LUND's IPS hull design, which they have on most of their economy line boats, is far and away a better hull to get on pad quickly and actually shed water away from the boat.
LUND's IPS2 hull concept personifies this on the PRO-V lineups, Baron, etc.
Bass Tracker's have their place. They're a great economy option. You see a ton of old ones out there. However since Bass Pro Shops bought out them and a lot of other manufacturers I hear quality and service by the brand have gone down hill. Same concept as buying a Wal Mart bicycle, you get what you pay for (convenience, availability, etc).
Dollar to dollar, I'd spend more to get a LUND Renegade over a Bass Tracker brand new.
Enjoy your welded boat, you'll learn :D
I just bought a 2075 ProV Bass XS. Funny vid bruh