I haven't found any other channel that clearly explains all product codings like this one. For riders who take their bikes to the shop and get them serviced, it might be irrelevant. But for those who service or upgrade their own bikes, this information is key to understand princing levels and avoid mixing incompatible parts; it really saves time and headaches. Great job!
He is very concise. Going so far as to show the packaging, manufacturing codes/descriptions,etc.. I also find that very considerate and obviously useful. Great video as usual sir.🙋🤙 I was on the fence with regard to some new brakes and you have helped to inform me which has helped me to make a choice...and I thank you for that. Happy holidays 🙏
I almost made the mistake of upgrading my Deore to XT as well. Other than the extra adjustments on the levers, there's no point. I've heard the best upgrade for it is getting the XT Ice Tech rotors with metallic pads on the Deore calipers. That will make a much bigger performance gain than getting XT calipers
The rotor won’t make much difference and if avoid ice tech rotors unless you like the looks. The biggest difference is the quality of the materials. The deore lever might look identical to the XT but the XT is made from much stiffer alloy. That’s the reason the cutouts are smaller because the cheap soft metal in deore levers aren’t strong enough to have as big of a cut out. Squeeze a deore lever and you can feel the whole thing flex you can even see it move slightly. Makes the brake feel vague and unresponsive. You don’t know if you’re moving the pistons or flexing the levers. XT and XTR levers are made to a higher standard from much better materials so when you pull the lever, you’re moving the pistons not flexing the lever blades. Gives a way more predictable feel and a better performing brake.
My bike came with SLX 4 piston so I'm not upgrading. Did buy a set of XTR rotors, to up the size of one of mine plus replace another. The rotors my bike came with are the lowest ones you could buy from Shimano and they don't even sell them anymore.
If it makes you feel better, I "upgraded" from XT to XTR 🤦♂️🤣 Absolutely useless unless you're racing and shaving most grams possible off your bike lol
I ran the OEM 2 piston deore on my last bike with the finned pads. They were great. I like how shimano is offering high level performance in the lower end components. Just less features and marginally more weight.
I didn’t even know these existed until this video. I installed these brakes on my partners bike, and I’m very impressed with the extra power and ability to use just one finger to brake. I’ve bought a set for my bike too with rt76 203 and 180 rotors
I replaced my cheap ass MT200 front brake with the Deore and I'm impressed with the feel, modulation and power it offers. It's been raining last couple of days and the brakes haven't squeaked either. Only thing I don't like is the clamp. Wish it was less bulky or they had an option of a normal lever mount.
i still miss my xtr rim brakes with the red pads. could stop on a dime. ate rims for breakfast. ..still to find a set of disk brakes that have the same stopping power..currently on xt :/
Thank you very much @loveMTB for these videos exploring the range of 4 piston brakes. After a fairly lengthy wait I have now upgraded to SLX BR-M7120 front and BR-MT520 rear. Keep up the good work. Cheers from Sydney, Australia
Thanks a lot, I just looking to replace my 400 brakes (stock brakes) - they have not enough power for my 29er fs. Choosing between slx and deore 4piston for front.
Thanks for your great review. I personally wouldn’t spend more money than the cost of br-m6120. No increase of power nor useful features. Really like the sintered d02s pads. Enough power for enduro/downhill. I used a thread cutter and added a m4 thread to my deore calipers to be able to use a pad retaining bolt. Just as a hint ;)
As always your videos are the source to turn too. Thanks for the in-depth comparison on the different brakes,and suggesting an good and cheaper alternative. BTW the Meta sure looks great, but I still like your HT-01 the best🍺
Good video, very informative. I didn’t read all the comments, but the lever is the part you pull with your fingers. The master cylinder is the part the lever goes into. The clamp is .. the clamp. You referred to all these parts as the lever in the video at some point. In the beginning I was pretty confused. The Master Cylinders are the same 🙂
The whole assembly which comprises the master cyclinder, lever & clamp is classed in the bike industry as a "lever". The actual lever itself is classed as a "blade". Yes is confusing.
3:02 Is the Deore lever a 3 finger or 2 and a half finger? You can clearly see at 3:02 in this video that the lever/handle (area for the fingers (non native speaker)) of the Deore is longer than that of the XT. I took a screenshot and measured it on my screen and if there is no extreme video/lens distortion this is clearly the case. Can you measure it and confirm that?
again my friend ,another excellent video. thank you for your efforts and time to present all of this. i also see that the deore has the bleeding valve in another position from the xt brakes. to tell you the truth i consider the deore system much more appropriate than the xt one. that is because that you can clearly see that the bleedidng valve of the deore circulates the fluid better and covering all the calipers capacity than the xt ones which only covers half of the caliper, this surely makes for a less effort bleeding procedure. Again thank you for your videos.
@@LoveMTB it is easier cause it moves fluid in a straight line thus the fluid moves a little more quick. But the deore offers better overall fluid coverage.it trully circulates the fluid from the left point to the right, but the xt must rely to the sub pressure effect for the one side to really put out the air. Lastly, not everyone gets rid the air into the fluid with a syringe before feeling the brakes. to make the most of the bleeding , the new fluid must be put through the syringe sub pressure effect to get rid the air embedded into it. there are several videos that illustrate it.
@@LoveMTB i believe it is just marketing , the new model must offer something new to the table, otherwise it won't make sense for the end user to buy it. keep up the good work. your channel is perfect.
Great video! Currently I'm running a saint up front and the 4 piston xt in the rear. I notice very little difference with modulation however not enough to justify the cost... Really great deal for the XTs.
@@LoveMTB I needed more power in the front because I'm usually fully loaded. The heat disapation was important as well as the zero fade that I get from the 4 pistons. I have to say the saint is really rugged and can take a lot of abuse but so can the xt. I do like the on/off feel on the rear and a bit more modulation in the front. If anything I'll continue to use this set-up for awhile. I appreciate the question!
I have the MT420 calipers also while the levers that came with it are the BL-M410. I am wondering now which should I get the brake lever upgrade, the M6100, M7100 & M8100?
Thank you man for such a detailed video as usually. Very informative if you have doubts about investing more money in more expensive brakes. The fact is that more expensive brakes are more powerful, but just everyone need to thing if they need this more power for more money, probably not
Make sure you use the correct bleed block that covers both of the pistons! Many people are reporting cracking the ceramic. I'm running the SLX 7120s. I don't know if thats what happened to mine because it looks like there is a hole inside the cup where fluid escapes, but it started leaking after I got it filled with oil. You may want to even pre-fill the caliper with oil to reduce the bleed time. I've had to order a MT520 to scavenge for calipers because there are not rebuild options for these and the alternative is a metal knockoff replacement at $25/pr (one large and one small) that have mixed reports. I also ordered the 7120s from BikeINN and neither them or Shimano has responded to my warranty inquiries. I'm not going to hold my breath waiting. I guess I should have gone through my LBS.
@@abrahamchairez6291 Nice, those will be metallic pads, the 4 pots usually come with metallic pads by default. I had SLX 4 pots on the giant Trance that was my previous bike, they worked great. I currently run XT on my Ripmo which are even better, noticeable reduction in lever effort
interesting comparison, currently I have a deore m6100, you would recommend as the next update deore xt or deore (both 4 pistons) for trail and enduro use. I need more power and stability on long descents
I have the SLX M7120 front and rear on my Enduro Hardtail and i love em! I don't feel the need to spend more than that on brake's. Haven't used the deore but anyways i love the modern SLX blue so much and the toolless reach adjustment can be useful. Also once you had ispec EV stuff you can't go back LoL
@@LoveMTB Yea the color is a matter of taste. I just bought em because a friend from Austria who rides very hard told me they are worth buying over the deore m6120 so i got them.
@@LoveMTB really sorry to bother you again, but let me ask you another question: I am just starting in MTB, my bike came with a generic break, I weight about 250 lbs, I am looking to upgrade the breakes for the deores M6120, do you think It will be enough or should I take the XT's?
Thanks for sharing this video. Now I have options choosing what kind of brake to install. Just curious, why’s 4 piston brake in the front? Because you used more braking power on rear than the front. Thanks.
Deore lack the modulation of the SLX and up, and they have the traditional loss of modulation when hot that older Shimano brakes are known for. SLX to XTR all have comparable stopping power, but as you get higher in the lineup the lever effort goes down as XT and XTR have more powerful master cylinders. I've ridden the entire lineup from Deore to XTR and Deore is fine for most trail riding, but I would upgrade to SLX or better if you ride park or a lot of steep trails
i ride only park and steep terrain and have been riding deore 4 pot with sintered pads for a couple years now and i personally cannot see a point in spending the extra 33% (my country prices) on xt to get free stroke adjust and fin pads that rattle. the only thing i miss is the tool free adjust, deore is excellent value!
Slx m7120 would be my choice. Checked with my local shimano dealer and he confirmed it’s the same construction as with the xt m8120 except built with different material making a set of slx pair about 60 grams heavier. The other difference is that slx doesn’t hv the freestroke adjustment which in my experience with shimano, doesn’t make much difference. Although it only cost 50 bucks more for the xt.
i am going to replace my mt400 with the m6120 front and back. I got a good deal and payed 120€ for both. Only one m8120 would cost 140€ here in germany. I have yet to install and test them 😅
We still don't see a channel's face! Let's face it! 🤣 (Has a new meaning now) Or face the consequences! 😂 All this is off course only jokes, you run your channel how you like it. It seems it's working. Despite you might wish for faster growth, viewers are often complementing the technical approach, that you're becoming known for. Great work as always 👍👌
Hello, great video, again! I have a set of new Shimano SLX BR-M7100 I have just put on a new build. Can I swap the 2 piston front caliper for a 4 piston Shimano SLX BR-M7120 and use the existing hose and lever? Thanks
Hello!! I want to buy a hardtail! And the meta ht and the yeti arc are my main options! Can you tell something about the diferent felling on both bikes? I dont know what to do... thanks a lot!
Awesome stuff! My 501/520s are hands down the best Shimano brakes I have had since the 785s. No wondering bite point and they just work. I'm curious if you will have bite point issues with the XTs once the miles roll up. Thanks for the video!
Wandering bite point has mostly been fixed. I had it happen a few times with the SLX on my old bike, but only ever in cold weather, when the brakes were still cold, once they get a little heat in em it goes away. The XTs I'm running on my current bike have never had the wandering bite point issue occur. The Deores my current bike came with stock did have a noticeable loss of modulation when hot, just like the MT-520s and most older Shimano brakes.
I still ride resin in my 520, but despite being proud of my bleeding technique, I feel them as quite squishy. My friend's older clamp XTs 2pot are so grabby it's really impressive. I am quite sure 520 are power upgrade over previous deore 615 I had, both felt squishy though imo.
@@LoveMTB well rear always feel worse due to longer hose, but yeah I don't have that proud feeling about my 4pots. Mushy feeling instead 😂 They are stronger for sure though and large organic pads last longer, so less worries about downpours in mountains although I've been lucky with those, so... And I don't feel comfortable spending pretty much even slx 4pot money on brakes. I should spend more on trips to mountains instead of equipment swaps. I'm very guilty of that. Cheaper stuff, but too much fiddling, swapping, little upgrades that are not satisfactory long terms. Constant loophole. 😥
Have you had any issues with a wandering bite point? I never have with my Shimano 2 pots but I keep reading about many that say they do with both 2 & 4 piston brakes. Many also seem to complain about lack of modulation in Shimano brakes but I've never found that either.
@@LoveMTB Test the Deore vs XT braking distance at a set consistent speed across braking markers and measure the distance to stop. Take multiple runs and remove max and min. Average the remaining runs. Im doing a video on MT200 and maintenance using this method at the moment. Im using 32kph (20mph) as the speed at the braking point. Video will be up within the week (just got to finish the talk to camera and voiceovers).
Old finned pads in new caliper for sure would have better cooling with that improved airflow. But it came to my mind, that for people prefering metallic, but riding on flatter trails regularly or having very varied trails, wouldn't keeping bit more heat in them pads=and so rotors prevent squeal and lower-cold performance? (I mean running fin-less purposely)
@@LoveMTB thnx ....can I ask why you cut the hose attached to the break lever instead of de coupling it form the brake lever ??? ...just easier ?? .... I'm.in the same process of upgrading my brakes and wondered why ?
Have the Deore M6120 but the calipers are not centered even though its all the way inwards into the frame. Looks like the screw hole is not deep enough..m
@@LoveMTB yes I did. But the caliper cannot be pushed in anymore its already at its max with the frame. Check this link for the photo m.facebook.com/groups/GMBNCommunity/permalink/1374293079619446/
Those deore one that you have go by another name, and are cheaper. Shimano mt-520. The lever is exactly the same as deore abs well as caliper the only thing that is different is paint job and branding. (I know bc I have both) I like them a lot
What I need to know is if the higher brake levers are better made in terms of quality/ durability. My mt500 lever is leaking and I'm looking into installing the newer levers, since the I spec is compatible.
@@LoveMTB as I said in one of your videos, I spec II is fully inter compatible with EV, you only need a shorter, fully threaded bolt. Back then I only "knew" from the forums, now I know from testing it myself.
ruclips.net/video/5C9iDE_xBbM/видео.html here I spec EV lever mounted to I spec II mount, there is no reason it won't work the other way round, the dimensions are all the same
Your bikes are always so spotlessly clean. Do you ever ride them or just like to tinker on them? There are those who fall into this category believe it or not. I'm not judging...just curious.
I have SRAM Level TLM brakes and sometimes leavers go to max and sometimes it is even hard to press them. I also change a lot of brake pads. It is better for me to go on something like this in your video. Do you have any SRAM 4 piston brake video?
@@LoveMTB I do a lot of descending with my XC hardtail. I will probably change to Shimano XT. Can you maybe tell me what I need to change from SRAM Level TLM to Shimano or on what I have to be careful?
Can you introduce your sunRingle wheels to us, please? I guess I have the same ones (with duroc 35 rim) and I wanna see what's inside of them. But I'm afraid to get into it until I know how to service them right.
Shimano XT 4-Pison brakes vs XTR would be interesting... looks like it's the same, except XTR is lighter and costs basically double. I'm thinking about getting the XT 4-piston brakes for my downhill bike build, what's your opinion on their stopping power/modulation? I've noticed XT brakes becoming common on stock downhill bikes nowadays, and pros seem to prefer XTR over Saint brakes in shimano sponsored downhill teams interestingly.
The old saint/zee pads sure look weird in the 8120 caliper, but do they fit in the 6120 caliper? Wait...going to watch that other video where you probably did that. You got me.
I haven't found any other channel that clearly explains all product codings like this one. For riders who take their bikes to the shop and get them serviced, it might be irrelevant. But for those who service or upgrade their own bikes, this information is key to understand princing levels and avoid mixing incompatible parts; it really saves time and headaches. Great job!
He is very concise. Going so far as to show the packaging, manufacturing codes/descriptions,etc.. I also find that very considerate and obviously useful. Great video as usual sir.🙋🤙 I was on the fence with regard to some new brakes and you have helped to inform me which has helped me to make a choice...and I thank you for that. Happy holidays 🙏
I almost made the mistake of upgrading my Deore to XT as well. Other than the extra adjustments on the levers, there's no point. I've heard the best upgrade for it is getting the XT Ice Tech rotors with metallic pads on the Deore calipers. That will make a much bigger performance gain than getting XT calipers
The rotor won’t make much difference and if avoid ice tech rotors unless you like the looks. The biggest difference is the quality of the materials. The deore lever might look identical to the XT but the XT is made from much stiffer alloy. That’s the reason the cutouts are smaller because the cheap soft metal in deore levers aren’t strong enough to have as big of a cut out. Squeeze a deore lever and you can feel the whole thing flex you can even see it move slightly. Makes the brake feel vague and unresponsive. You don’t know if you’re moving the pistons or flexing the levers. XT and XTR levers are made to a higher standard from much better materials so when you pull the lever, you’re moving the pistons not flexing the lever blades. Gives a way more predictable feel and a better performing brake.
My bike came with SLX 4 piston so I'm not upgrading. Did buy a set of XTR rotors, to up the size of one of mine plus replace another. The rotors my bike came with are the lowest ones you could buy from Shimano and they don't even sell them anymore.
If it makes you feel better, I "upgraded" from XT to XTR 🤦♂️🤣
Absolutely useless unless you're racing and shaving most grams possible off your bike lol
@@Fra93TheGrande So why'd you do it? Do you race?
I ran the OEM 2 piston deore on my last bike with the finned pads. They were great. I like how shimano is offering high level performance in the lower end components. Just less features and marginally more weight.
I didn’t even know these existed until this video. I installed these brakes on my partners bike, and I’m very impressed with the extra power and ability to use just one finger to brake. I’ve bought a set for my bike too with rt76 203 and 180 rotors
I replaced my cheap ass MT200 front brake with the Deore and I'm impressed with the feel, modulation and power it offers. It's been raining last couple of days and the brakes haven't squeaked either. Only thing I don't like is the clamp. Wish it was less bulky or they had an option of a normal lever mount.
Excellent video as always!
I have a set of Deore 4 piston brakes and I love them for what they are.
i still miss my xtr rim brakes with the red pads. could stop on a dime. ate rims for breakfast. ..still to find a set of disk brakes that have the same stopping power..currently on xt :/
@@luminousfractal420 hope tech, Hayes, magura
Keep these videos coming!
Dude, your comparison videos are awesome, thank you!!!
Thank you very much @loveMTB for these videos exploring the range of 4 piston brakes. After a fairly lengthy wait I have now upgraded to SLX BR-M7120 front and BR-MT520 rear. Keep up the good work. Cheers from Sydney, Australia
Lordy, this channel is essential MTB content.
Thanks a lot, I just looking to replace my 400 brakes (stock brakes) - they have not enough power for my 29er fs. Choosing between slx and deore 4piston for front.
J'ai monté des SLX 4 pistons et en suis très satisfait. C'est un bon compromis entre les XT et les DEORE.
As always another informative video
Thanks for the great video
Perfect as always, thanks for the videos you are on another lever . Greetings from Germany.
Excellent review!
Thanks for your great review. I personally wouldn’t spend more money than the cost of br-m6120. No increase of power nor useful features. Really like the sintered d02s pads. Enough power for enduro/downhill. I used a thread cutter and added a m4 thread to my deore calipers to be able to use a pad retaining bolt. Just as a hint ;)
Thanks for sharing🤘
Excellent video as always 👌
Another very enlightening video !!! Congratulations and thank you !!!
As always your videos are the source to turn too. Thanks for the in-depth comparison on the different brakes,and suggesting an good and cheaper alternative. BTW the Meta sure looks great, but I still like your HT-01 the best🍺
Good video, very informative.
I didn’t read all the comments, but the lever is the part you pull with your fingers. The master cylinder is the part the lever goes into. The clamp is .. the clamp. You referred to all these parts as the lever in the video at some point. In the beginning I was pretty confused. The Master Cylinders are the same 🙂
The whole assembly which comprises the master cyclinder, lever & clamp is classed in the bike industry as a "lever". The actual lever itself is classed as a "blade". Yes is confusing.
3:02 Is the Deore lever a 3 finger or 2 and a half finger?
You can clearly see at 3:02 in this video that the lever/handle (area for the fingers (non native speaker)) of the Deore is longer than that of the XT.
I took a screenshot and measured it on my screen and if there is no extreme video/lens distortion this is clearly the case.
Can you measure it and confirm that?
again my friend ,another excellent video. thank you for your efforts and time to present all of this. i also see that the deore has the bleeding valve in another position from the xt brakes. to tell you the truth i consider the deore system much more appropriate than the xt one. that is because that you can clearly see that the bleedidng valve of the deore circulates the fluid better and covering all the calipers capacity than the xt ones which only covers half of the caliper, this surely makes for a less effort bleeding procedure. Again thank you for your videos.
They say that the bleeding port on the XT allows for a more complete/ easier bleed...
@@LoveMTB it is easier cause it moves fluid in a straight line thus the fluid moves a little more quick. But the deore offers better overall fluid coverage.it trully circulates the fluid from the left point to the right, but the xt must rely to the sub pressure effect for the one side to really put out the air. Lastly, not everyone gets rid the air into the fluid with a syringe before feeling the brakes. to make the most of the bleeding , the new fluid must be put through the syringe sub pressure effect to get rid the air embedded into it. there are several videos that illustrate it.
@@elenakana5931 It is what Shimano says, could be just marketing!
@@LoveMTB i believe it is just marketing , the new model must offer something new to the table, otherwise it won't make sense for the end user to buy it. keep up the good work. your channel is perfect.
Thanks for another good video... 🙌🏼
Great video! Currently I'm running a saint up front and the 4 piston xt in the rear. I notice very little difference with modulation however not enough to justify the cost... Really great deal for the XTs.
@@LoveMTB I needed more power in the front because I'm usually fully loaded. The heat disapation was important as well as the zero fade that I get from the 4 pistons. I have to say the saint is really rugged and can take a lot of abuse but so can the xt. I do like the on/off feel on the rear and a bit more modulation in the front. If anything I'll continue to use this set-up for awhile. I appreciate the question!
I have the MT420 calipers also while the levers that came with it are the BL-M410.
I am wondering now which should I get the brake lever upgrade, the M6100, M7100 & M8100?
Have you seen my video on this topic? ruclips.net/video/WK5Ve5Vgc8I/видео.html
@@LoveMTB thank you.
@@phil5073 You're welcome
Great informative video.
Very informative thanks!
Nice video. Im waiting for shimano to update the saint models. But at the moment im running these xt brakes
MT 420. Entry 4pot. Super braking at my kitted out 105kg. Pistons same size through entire range. Big too. Same as sram code
Great video. Two things: Have you tested the strength of the 4 pots over the 2 pots? How would you describe the differences?
20% more powerful = barely noticeable improvement in modulation and possibly harder time to make sure your rotors don’t run 😊
Very nice review as always. XT going in the soon to be released ARC build?
Oh you just said it after I wrote that one.
If the cost is the same, should I choose M8100 (2 pit) or M6120(4 pit)? thanks
Thank you man for such a detailed video as usually. Very informative if you have doubts about investing more money in more expensive brakes. The fact is that more expensive brakes are more powerful, but just everyone need to thing if they need this more power for more money, probably not
Later models usually provide more modulation or control & are usually more ridgid which helps with both modulation & power.
Some very nice HT MTB there Mate...
Have you ever done a video on how to service the m8120 callipers ?
Not yet...
Excellent video concise and informative .👍
Make sure you use the correct bleed block that covers both of the pistons! Many people are reporting cracking the ceramic. I'm running the SLX 7120s. I don't know if thats what happened to mine because it looks like there is a hole inside the cup where fluid escapes, but it started leaking after I got it filled with oil. You may want to even pre-fill the caliper with oil to reduce the bleed time. I've had to order a MT520 to scavenge for calipers because there are not rebuild options for these and the alternative is a metal knockoff replacement at $25/pr (one large and one small) that have mixed reports. I also ordered the 7120s from BikeINN and neither them or Shimano has responded to my warranty inquiries. I'm not going to hold my breath waiting. I guess I should have gone through my LBS.
have you compared the new 4 piston line up vs the good old zee and saint?
Have not had the chance. BUT I can tell you that the bike mechanics in Whistler still run...Saint!
Just got a new bike came with SLX 4 piston and I like them a lot
@@LoveMTB mountain bike all mountain. I have a Giant REIGN pro 1 with 203 rotors
@@abrahamchairez6291 Nice, those will be metallic pads, the 4 pots usually come with metallic pads by default. I had SLX 4 pots on the giant Trance that was my previous bike, they worked great. I currently run XT on my Ripmo which are even better, noticeable reduction in lever effort
are the internal components the same?
interesting comparison, currently I have a deore m6100, you would recommend as the next update deore xt or deore (both 4 pistons) for trail and enduro use. I need more power and stability on long descents
what 4 pots brakes are you using now?
How are they compared in the heat department? Deore is fading more rapidly then the xt?
I have the SLX M7120 front and rear on my Enduro Hardtail and i love em! I don't feel the need to spend more than that on brake's. Haven't used the deore but anyways i love the modern SLX blue so much and the toolless reach adjustment can be useful.
Also once you had ispec EV stuff you can't go back LoL
@@LoveMTB Yea the color is a matter of taste. I just bought em because a friend from Austria who rides very hard told me they are worth buying over the deore m6120 so i got them.
How come the box is marked as the 2 piston brakes?
I had it from a 2-piston set
boa noite, tem alguma diferença entre o oem que bem conectado e o original na caixa? sabe dizer?
Thanks, great vid :)
why you prefer the 4 piston only on the front? (sorry i'm a newbie)
More power to stop, you would lock the rear very easily with a 4-piston.
@@LoveMTB thanks man
@@Daniel-kb3mf You're welcome
@@LoveMTB really sorry to bother you again, but let me ask you another question:
I am just starting in MTB, my bike came with a generic break, I weight about 250 lbs, I am looking to upgrade the breakes for the deores M6120, do you think It will be enough or should I take the XT's?
@@Daniel-kb3mf Deore 6120s are just as powerful!
Thanks for sharing this video. Now I have options choosing what kind of brake to install. Just curious, why’s 4 piston brake in the front? Because you used more braking power on rear than the front. Thanks.
Deore lack the modulation of the SLX and up, and they have the traditional loss of modulation when hot that older Shimano brakes are known for. SLX to XTR all have comparable stopping power, but as you get higher in the lineup the lever effort goes down as XT and XTR have more powerful master cylinders. I've ridden the entire lineup from Deore to XTR and Deore is fine for most trail riding, but I would upgrade to SLX or better if you ride park or a lot of steep trails
What's common with all the Servo-Wave Shimano Brakes is the wandering bite point (Deore, SLX, and XT). Still not fixed.
I use 4 pot XTR at front and my god that thing can stop a car, truly amazing performance!
Nice useful video. I prefer Shimano as they use mineral oil rather than caustic Dot4.
i ride only park and steep terrain and have been riding deore 4 pot with sintered pads for a couple years now and i personally cannot see a point in spending the extra 33% (my country prices) on xt to get free stroke adjust and fin pads that rattle. the only thing i miss is the tool free adjust, deore is excellent value!
You could run slx brake levers for tool free adjustment
@@joseulloa8769 sure can, but honestly it's a nit pick. Brakes are still going strong! I Gravity bleed with putoline hpx suspension fluid so good
Typically speaking how much heavier are 4 piston brakes then 2 pistons?
There’s 20g between a xt m8100 2 piston caliper and a xt m8120 4 piston one, as an example.
would the xt lever work with deore caliper?
It would work but the connection to the caliper is different see here - ruclips.net/video/WK5Ve5Vgc8I/видео.html
@@LoveMTB but ok if i replace at the lever end tho right
@@richarddevey2449 At lever no difference
@@LoveMTB cheers, another question, slx 7100 cranks on a boost bike better than 7120 for chainline
bike is norco optic c3 2021
Are the pistons the same size? Deore XT and Deore.
Thx 4 the explaination
So what do you think of running a 4 pot XT front and a 2 pot 6100 back?
which set stops better .?good lord .
Can i put 4 piston brakes on a hardtail xc bike
Slx m7120 would be my choice. Checked with my local shimano dealer and he confirmed it’s the same construction as with the xt m8120 except built with different material making a set of slx pair about 60 grams heavier. The other difference is that slx doesn’t hv the freestroke adjustment which in my experience with shimano, doesn’t make much difference. Although it only cost 50 bucks more for the xt.
@@LoveMTB I like the calliper colour for the 4 pot slx. But I agree the 2pot version looks cheap.
@@LoveMTB I was referring to the SLX decals on the callipers:) the 4 pot looks better.
i am going to replace my mt400 with the m6120 front and back. I got a good deal and payed 120€ for both. Only one m8120 would cost 140€ here in germany. I have yet to install and test them 😅
You’re going to like them and the price was 😳
So going for the M6120 calipers and the XT levers and you'll have fantastic Breaks for 150€. :)
Why XT levers?
We still don't see a channel's face! Let's face it! 🤣 (Has a new meaning now)
Or face the consequences! 😂
All this is off course only jokes, you run your channel how you like it. It seems it's working. Despite you might wish for faster growth, viewers are often complementing the technical approach, that you're becoming known for. Great work as always 👍👌
@@LoveMTB even better 😂
10:27 aesthetically, that caliper looks gret, though. Sorta looks more elegant
Another very interesting video....
Hello, great video, again! I have a set of new Shimano SLX BR-M7100 I have just put on a new build. Can I swap the 2 piston front caliper for a 4 piston Shimano SLX BR-M7120 and use the existing hose and lever? Thanks
I have the same question, were they compatible? m7000 lever + m7120 caliper?
Hello!! I want to buy a hardtail! And the meta ht and the yeti arc are my main options! Can you tell something about the diferent felling on both bikes? I dont know what to do... thanks a lot!
Looks like the reach adjust on the Deore can use a knob also? Just replace the screw with a knob?
Awesome stuff! My 501/520s are hands down the best Shimano brakes I have had since the 785s. No wondering bite point and they just work. I'm curious if you will have bite point issues with the XTs once the miles roll up. Thanks for the video!
Wandering bite point has mostly been fixed. I had it happen a few times with the SLX on my old bike, but only ever in cold weather, when the brakes were still cold, once they get a little heat in em it goes away. The XTs I'm running on my current bike have never had the wandering bite point issue occur. The Deores my current bike came with stock did have a noticeable loss of modulation when hot, just like the MT-520s and most older Shimano brakes.
Can I get old parts came from u?
Good informative video. 👍🏻 Don’t you run your brakes moto style?
Is m8100 caliper has the same size with front and rear?
@@LoveMTB Thanks mate.
I still ride resin in my 520, but despite being proud of my bleeding technique, I feel them as quite squishy. My friend's older clamp XTs 2pot are so grabby it's really impressive. I am quite sure 520 are power upgrade over previous deore 615 I had, both felt squishy though imo.
@@LoveMTB well rear always feel worse due to longer hose, but yeah I don't have that proud feeling about my 4pots. Mushy feeling instead 😂 They are stronger for sure though and large organic pads last longer, so less worries about downpours in mountains although I've been lucky with those, so...
And I don't feel comfortable spending pretty much even slx 4pot money on brakes. I should spend more on trips to mountains instead of equipment swaps. I'm very guilty of that. Cheaper stuff, but too much fiddling, swapping, little upgrades that are not satisfactory long terms. Constant loophole. 😥
Have you had any issues with a wandering bite point? I never have with my Shimano 2 pots but I keep reading about many that say they do with both 2 & 4 piston brakes. Many also seem to complain about lack of modulation in Shimano brakes but I've never found that either.
how about some quantitative testing as well as quoting specs
@@LoveMTB Test the Deore vs XT braking distance at a set consistent speed across braking markers and measure the distance to stop. Take multiple runs and remove max and min. Average the remaining runs. Im doing a video on MT200 and maintenance using this method at the moment. Im using 32kph (20mph) as the speed at the braking point. Video will be up within the week (just got to finish the talk to camera and voiceovers).
@@LoveMTB im just getting a bit of content ready now, i'll have stuff up soon.
what is difference in brakig power between xt 2piston m8100 and xt 4piston?
Excelent video.
Old finned pads in new caliper for sure would have better cooling with that improved airflow.
But it came to my mind, that for people prefering metallic, but riding on flatter trails regularly or having very varied trails, wouldn't keeping bit more heat in them pads=and so rotors prevent squeal and lower-cold performance? (I mean running fin-less purposely)
Where is the vid to.install. shimano brakes I can not find it on this site ....have you got a link pls
@@LoveMTB thnx ....can I ask why you cut the hose attached to the break lever instead of de coupling it form the brake lever ??? ...just easier ?? ....
I'm.in the same process of upgrading my brakes and wondered why ?
is it any different if i use a 4 piston XT caliper with a XT 785 lever ?
@@LoveMTB is it ok if i stick with it , or should i change the levers to the right ones ? having 2 785 levers and 2 4-ơp xt calipers in stock
hi what is the price of sinabi deore full group set ? pls reply
2piston xt or 4piston diore?
Have the Deore M6120 but the calipers are not centered even though its all the way inwards into the frame. Looks like the screw hole is not deep enough..m
@@LoveMTB yes I did. But the caliper cannot be pushed in anymore its already at its max with the frame. Check this link for the photo m.facebook.com/groups/GMBNCommunity/permalink/1374293079619446/
Those deore one that you have go by another name, and are cheaper. Shimano mt-520. The lever is exactly the same as deore abs well as caliper the only thing that is different is paint job and branding. (I know bc I have both) I like them a lot
What I need to know is if the higher brake levers are better made in terms of quality/ durability. My mt500 lever is leaking and I'm looking into installing the newer levers, since the I spec is compatible.
@@LoveMTB as I said in one of your videos, I spec II is fully inter compatible with EV, you only need a shorter, fully threaded bolt.
Back then I only "knew" from the forums, now I know from testing it myself.
ruclips.net/video/5C9iDE_xBbM/видео.html
here I spec EV lever mounted to I spec II mount, there is no reason it won't work the other way round, the dimensions are all the same
Your bikes are always so spotlessly clean. Do you ever ride them or just like to tinker on them? There are those who fall into this category believe it or not. I'm not judging...just curious.
You really know your shit! Great review.
I have SRAM Level TLM brakes and sometimes leavers go to max and sometimes it is even hard to press them. I also change a lot of brake pads. It is better for me to go on something like this in your video. Do you have any SRAM 4 piston brake video?
@@LoveMTB I do a lot of descending with my XC hardtail. I will probably change to Shimano XT. Can you maybe tell me what I need to change from SRAM Level TLM to Shimano or on what I have to be careful?
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Can you introduce your sunRingle wheels to us, please? I guess I have the same ones (with duroc 35 rim) and I wanna see what's inside of them. But I'm afraid to get into it until I know how to service them right.
still now im stuck with my 7 speed stock shimano turney really hoping to upgrade my bike.... parts soon.. shifters are broken 😭😭😭
Does you lever push outwards abit ive just bought one and mine does isit normal?
You can put the bolts pins on deore
Shimano XT 4-Pison brakes vs XTR would be interesting... looks like it's the same, except XTR is lighter and costs basically double. I'm thinking about getting the XT 4-piston brakes for my downhill bike build, what's your opinion on their stopping power/modulation? I've noticed XT brakes becoming common on stock downhill bikes nowadays, and pros seem to prefer XTR over Saint brakes in shimano sponsored downhill teams interestingly.
Are m7000 levers compatible to 4piston calipers? saint,zee, m8120, m7120?
The old saint/zee pads sure look weird in the 8120 caliper, but do they fit in the 6120 caliper? Wait...going to watch that other video where you probably did that. You got me.
and where is the test? the specs are 1 thing, but which one are stronger if any?
Hi can I know what dropper lever that you are using?
I saw it was Shimano but not sure about the model.
Thanks in advance
Hello! Are you using spacers for installing calipers in 180 mm rotors? Or is compatible with 160, 180 mm? Thanks.
Depends on the fork some accept 180mm minimum