Jill Stein's Controversial Campaign: Grifter or Savior?
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- Опубликовано: 19 окт 2024
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⚡There are so many rabbit holes to go down when it comes to Jill Stein and third party candidates--what did I miss and are you still gonna vote for her?
Yes I will
Happy nuptials and enjoy your honeymoon?
Didn't expect a video even though you announced it yesterday.
Cheers 🥂
If you live in a swing state please don't vote for Jill Stein instead of Kamala Harris because Trump is dangerous and must be stopped. A small number of votes for Jill Stein instead of Kamala Harris in the swing states could give Trump the presidency.
Leeja would you consider giving the Steven Donziger Chevron case a spotlight in a video?
How about arguing with yourself. Try both sidesisnm
Just wanted to say, im an ex-right winger, ex-trump supporter, and while I dont agree with you on everything, you have helped me move away from the right. Thank you
Right!!
right and left are just two wings of the capitalist party. we shouldn't even have to be mired in this toxicity to begin with.
I used to be a hardcore skin head. And well, The path of the radicalization and deprogramming are long ones. Not saying you were ever at that point, all I’m saying is it’s hard to adress and unlearn your prejudice and you should take pride in your progress :)
Good job
empathy can be taught 🫶🏼
@@pinetreesquad2375proud of u 🫶🏼❤️
Vote yes for measure 117 if you live in Oregon to allow rank choice voting. We have some great organizers working on the ground here. So when you get your ballot please vote.
Yes!!!!!
Do it please!
Jill Stein worked for no labels in 2016 and has a picture with her and Vladimir Putin.
Thanks! I’m in Oregon. Haven’t gotten my ballot yet, but will be getting it soon.
@@marcosalvarez5712 there are also pictures of Obama and Putin. So?
committing genocide should have electoral consequences, but also i want my trans loved ones to have rights and medical care. that's where we're at.
I have a trans kid and I 100% agree with you. I don’t want to vote for Kamala but my kids rights are at stake. Don’t you love our shitty system.
@@musicman9945 That's why so many people are voting 3rd party, if any third party reaches 5% POPULAR votes, they get automatic access to ballots in 2028, federal and state funds and participating in national debates. Imagine having someone with ordinary common sense in presidential debates.
@@musicman9945I mean a thorough review of the evidence suggests she's the single least bad option with regard to the genocide specifically, and has been attempting repeatedly to communicate her intention to go significantly left of Biden on Israel/Palestine without publicly opposing the party line. That includes third party sources repeatedly affirming that she's actively, ideologically anti-genocide.
She's not a leftist, but she is a progressive Dem currently being kept on a very tight leash by Biden's team. All of us on the left should be taking advantage of the fact that she's willing and able to lie to centrists and conservatives to get their votes before stepping leftward into socdem territory, because based on literally everything (past history, leaked info, "leaked" info), that is exactly what she's doing.
I mean she said point blank the other day that there should be a national database of police misconduct to stop bad cops from skipping town to get reinstated elsewhere. That's the furthest left statement made in American presidential politics since Bernie. I think she might actually just be ideologically committed to the idea of upholding humanitarian legal standards regardless of context, because she has the same positions on criminal justice and LGBTQ+ rights.
Gaza children are being killed and you are worried about a small percentage of Americans being offended. You seem unethical.
@@musicman9945Vote 3rd party.
"I'm not voting Harris to teach her a lesson" Buddy, Harris will be fine if Trump wins. It's the rest of us soaking in all the fallout. And we remember who brought us there the last time.
That's what kills me about the people in the comments going on about Cornel West and Jill Stein. OK, vote for them if you must, but I don't want to hear screeching from these said quarters when we're watching our families and neighbors get deported, women are forced to carry rapists fetuses to term and women can't get divorced because God said so. It's not going to be getting through another 4 years of Trump. It's going to be a completely new landscape for us. They're just trying to get him over the finish line to hand the baton to a 39 year old dictator in waiting. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
@@jenw9463 That's all happened under Dem administrations
I always find it dumb that these people who want change are willing to let a party that leans so far from their ideology win an election.
@@ZappBranniglenn To be fair look at big picture. Dems failed neo-liberal policies over decades allowed him to grow his wealth and exploit working class.
So ultimately Democrats gave us Trump. He was a Democrat for the longest time. Their policies obviously suited him and his economic class.
What about not voting for Harris because she's complicit in genocide and it still repeating dehumanizing lies that were proven false months ago?
If Jill Stein was serious about ending the two party system, she would be advocating for better election methods instead of reappearing every 4 years to make a futile run for president.
People have been advocating for better election methods since before Jill was born. It's not working. Dems and Repubs are never going to change what's working for them. It needs to start with us on the outside. I'm kinda of hoping Trump will win to get all you talkers off of your couch and into the streets. And start supporting better candidates instead of being fear mongered into believing we're stuck with this system.
@@ChadAgain ballot measures exist
@@ChadAgain _
Let me repeat this for those people in the back: Jill Stein is not going to be elected president. Like it or not, voting is a strategic choice in US politics. People will vote for the candidate who they think will do the best for them and has the best shot at winning. On the presidential level, a Dem or GOP candidate has every structural advantage in the book, plus reliable name recognition. You can't break the two party system from the top down. It's not gonna happen this year, or in 2028 or in 2032. If Jill Stein was really interested in shifting the two party dynamic, she'd be running as a Mayoral candidate. The green part would focus on municipal elections, then state house and Senate races, then gubernatorial or federal congressional seats. It would probably do a lot more good to have 8 third party senators than it would to throw away the effort trying to grab the presidency.
@@ChadAgain it will never start with president. Even if against all odds a third party candidate won, they would get absolutely nothing done as neither party in congress would work with them as it is against their interests. A third party that isn't building from local elections up isn't a serious party and it's members are just grifters.
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A major thing that annoys me about Jill Stein is that she is a professional presidential campaign runner. That is how she makes her money. That is her job. She really is not making any positive changes in anyone's life. It is just running for president that she does. Bottom line, she is a grifter.
she isnt just a grifter, she is just straight up an agent of the russian federation.
Is that a typo? Don't you mean ruiner?
Plenty of green party members have been elected over the years, I've also seen hundreds of people switch to green since Biden was a joke and Kamala is literally talking about putting Conservatives in power, they're a complete joke.
I can’t think of a single positive thing she’s ever done that she can actually claim credit for herself.
Its finally completed: ruclips.net/video/I-LQhqlenOs/видео.html
Jill’s paid for the release of a Jan 6th rioter, and has literally received money from Russia. She’s the epitome of a grifter. This is coming from someone who wholeheartedly supports Palestine and Lebanon in their fight for existence against apartheid Israel.
TBH the Pro-Palestine movement has become overrun in recent months by grifters and closet anti-semites. The original message has been lost in exchange of bloodlust, racism and greed
If you support Palestine who are you voting for? or are you not voting?
@@coppermoth6069By voting for Jill, she poses a threat towards Ukraine. By not voting for her, the others pose a threat towards Palestine.
@@coppermoth6069 You vote for Harris and protest like mad the day AFTER the election and not a second earlier.
@@coppermoth6069you should vote for Kamala because based on trumps rhetoric he’d be worse, because Netanyahu wants Trump to win, and because throwing minorities at home and our allies around the world under the bus isn’t going to solve anything.
Back in 2016 I made the mistake of voting for Stein. My rationale was that while I knew she couldn't win, the unpopularity of both Clinton & Trump could hopefully lead to America getting more serious about 3rd parties. However, both Stein & Johnson barely scraped anywhere near a decent margin of the vote, and they both just disappeared after the election was over.
Since then it's become so much more agonizingly obvious how much of a grifter Jill is and I feel like I got suckered. There's no grassroots organizing from the greens, no state or local government campaigns, just vain presidential runs every 4 years.
While Clinton was still a widely unpopular candidate, to say she would have been as bad as Trump is just factually wrong. Roe V Wade would still be the law of the land. The pandemic would not have ravaged the US nearly as badly.
Learned my lesson. Voted Biden in 2020 and Kamala this year. I can't stomach the thought of young girls in this country being at risk of growing up with even fewer rights than their grandmothers had.
"The unpopularity of both Clinton & Trump could hopefully lead to America getting more serious about 3rd parties. However, both Stein & Johnson barely scraped anywhere near a decent margin of the vote." The mistake wasn't by you; it was by the voters who chickened out and stayed loyal to the Duopoly.
@@Blaqjaqshellaqoh please, you must be 14
@@Blaqjaqshellaq That's not how it works, jfc. The US uses First Past the Post, and that system effectively mathematically guarantees a two-party system.
If you want SYSTEMIC change, you need to change the system. Wasting your vote to empower the candidate you like THE LEAST will *absolutely never* bring about the change you claim to want.
Trump getting elected *will not* somehow empower (grifters like) Jill Stein, or w/e.
The least they could have done was vote for Bernie. And yet people apparently have amnesia about how the democrat party consistently sabotage progressive candidates.
Exactly. I'm voting with young women in mind.
Jill Stein does nothing for four years, pops up like a Spirit Halloween to take donations for campaign money, then disappears like it's November 1st after she loses.
Hey, that's insulting.
Spirit Halloween donates to LeBonheur Children's Hospital. They actually benefit society
She didn’t even want to run. But the she was the Green Party’s best option. Do your research
THANK YOU!!!
Thankyou for also offering a more neutral comparison than the cicada one I've seen, that gets deflected as a Jewish microaggression rather than actually engaging with our point of how she is exploitatively seasonal. Like, I believe in the idea of "ok I'll listen, avoid that, and find a better comparison/word to use so you'll engage with my point"
And I promise, I would love to have what she offers. But she isn't offering realistic ways to deliver it, and our humanitarian needs are being dangled in front of us to leverage us for clout, for an outcome that is plain incompatible with the two party voting system.
No matter how idealistic, *we are not getting a majority of the country to vote for her, they simply ideologically won't*
This voting system isn't going to fix the problem, it will actually determine the environment WE will be fixing the problem within, politicians will fail us under this system. it is OUR work that does it, and we need to vote for maximum odds to prevent outright criminality of our ability to fight back. Not vote for a politician who claims she'll fix it for us.
Does she disappear or you just not paying attention at what she and the rest of the party are doing?
As a leftist, you're not choosing a candidate that represents you. You are choosing a candidate that will create a political environment that is less hostile to your ideas/existence.
As a leftist, you should know meaningful change is impossible in a bourgeois democracy, and that voting is only useful to indicate popular discontentment.
My roommates and I (Washington State) have discussed this. I will be voting for Harris, but my roommies are all voting Stein. I know Stein won't win, but I'm terrified knowing there's a real chance Trump will win. I cannot leave this country if that happens.
Get your roommates to watch this video. Maybe even explain how much Trump will destroy this country. It's almost like voting to put someone like Netanyahu in our WH. That would be much more dangerous for the Palestinians. Considering Trump has said he's stop humanitarian aid on day one, if he's elected.
Exactly. We leftists are in the minority and will only see our progress come through incremental means. We can only nudge the country in the direction we want
@@theCommentDevil Is that how leftists have ever made progress?
Also important: LOOK HOW POPULAR TRUMP IS IN ISRAEL! They love Trump in Israel! He's more popular there than here and more than Netanyahu! "Punishing" Kamala could result in awarding Israel with the US President they want!
To be honest it's not that hard to be more popular than Netanyahu, pretty much everyone in Israel hates him
@@ResplendentTrash I’m confused it’s bad that bibi wants trump…so why does Harris practically all but state she’ll continue Biden’s sugar daddy habits and will always support Israel? Wouldn’t that be bad that Harris supports someone that likes trump?
There's a whole ass settlement named trump heights and he relocated the us embassy to Jerusalem
They also love our proud Zio president... The current one, y'know.
@@ASierra08 Biden didn't move it back.
I swear I saw leftists call Angela Davis a Zionist after she endorsed Harris.
There’s an analogy that gets used in UK politics, elections are like buses, you’re just looking for the one going closest to where you want to go, Stein and Trump’s buses go to the same place.
Kamala and Trumps buses are also going to the same place
How'd that work out with you, with your right-wing labour government?
@@icantcomeupwithnames469 I'm not British, but from where I'm sitting, I'd say far better than the Truss government.
@@icantcomeupwithnames469 the British Labour Party is still further to the left than the DNC unfortunately.
@@coppermoth6069 If Harris is elected there will be an election in 2028, are you absolutely sure that’s true for Trump.
100% grifter. She just pops up 3 months until election to say she's running and siphon donations. At least the PSL candidate Claudia De La Cruz has been running a grassroots campaign for over a year.
Too bad she isn't available to vote for in my state. I would in a heart beat. Jill Stein is just a moocher
@@mr.dirtydan3338 I thought the same until I checked and saw that she had "official write-in" status in my state. Pretty compelling if you live in a red state like me and want to vote your conscience for once.
De La Cruz is getting my vote
@@kalexander1981 thanks for the heads up. I will absolutely check into it
She’s friends with Putin, so you know she’s evil as evil comes.
She has a right to run for office.
Absolutely!!! Plus democracy is about ideas. Problem is the present day Democrat Party has run out of ideas.
No sh*t, but that's not the argument being made.
@@kennet7837 She's a savior and I'm voting for her.
@@ricardodsavant2965 Okay, keep being delusional.
Of course she does. We have many rights we can exercise that happen to be a very bad idea for the world. She's a delusional narcissist and while I'm sure she genuinely believes otherwise is a wonderful assistant to Republicans with her insane logic and justifications for running while no one hears a damn thing from her the 3.5 years between elections. I was a registered Green many years ago, the US Green Party has their heads so far up their own asses they are a waste to support.
If the Green Party is serious, why don’t they try and grab seats at the state level, then federal? That’s more feasible than the presidency.
Yep. That's how the last successful 3rd party did it. You might have heard of them. They are called the Republicans. Their candidate is choice? Heard of him, too.... Abraham Lincoln. A pity their big business, anti-immigrant wing that was present from the start won after they kicked out their last great Progressive. You know him too ... Teddy Roosevelt. (Though he was a racist, misogynistic sob.)
they do try and win seats but it is no easier when people make the same arguments that only 2 parties are options.
@@catkin-z8gno, the Libertarian party actually tries. The Green party throws people at the wall and hopes they stick.
Because the Green Party is really the Red party 🇷🇺🪆
@catkin-z8g
This is fucking bullshit. There are already 2 indipendent elected senators, to make an example.
They could definitely find some places where they could habe chances, invest in someone to run, and they would inevitably get some seats, which is something they must do if they are serious about doing anything
But they don't even try. Stein is literally payed by Russia (there is ton of proof she even has ties with putin, btw) to sway votes away from the dems
If she was serious, she would do ANYTHING between presidential races. The green party not only never gained anything, they even lost a lot of supporters (lucky, since they are just a bs party)
For anyone that adores Jill Stein, answer me this, Why does Stein only campaign when a Dem is the president versus when a republican is president? If she is against the two parties, wouldn't she do this for both parties and not just one?
why is she hanging out with Putin and Flynn? how is it she think she can run for president and not know how many representatives we have? I have a lot of questions.
she cant afford it because she doesn’t take super pac money like the reps & dems
@@intuitionz1198ugh I've pointed out thr putin thing so many times and so many people are like "putin isn't that bad actually 🤓" it's embarrassing. Pro steiners don't have anything to stand on but they still do it anyways, they can't be reasoned with
She's against both parties. Also democrats are terrible and need competition.
If dems are against Trump why do they talk about Stein and not Dr Shiva who could take votes from Trump.
Your vote is yours. Vote for who you want.
If you like the ability to freely worship religions other than Christianity, you shouldn’t waste your vote on Jill Stein. The irony of a lot Stein supporters saying “no more genocide”, “free Palestine” “no more wars”, etc. When You know the MAGA nuts want to make us a Christian nation. Its ludicrous.
What I find very ironic, is that Jill Stein supporters always ignore the fact that she said we shouldn't get involved with foreign conflicts, when she was discussing Ukraine. I don't like her hypocrisy about foreign affairs and her apparently close ties to Putin, who also supports Palestine (though that could either mean supporting Hamas, actually being concerned for the people, or just wanting to be the complete opposite of the United States). I'm pretty sure she's also an anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorist, but I don't know too much about that.
@@chrisnotpratt1903 She has no close ties to Putin. That’s a lie. Also what hypocrisy? She says in both case. We shouldn’t be involved nor funding.
@@Cuccamonga-vn2jm So you expect us to believe Korrupt Kapitalist Kamala who ultimately can justify and give cover to a genocide by religious extremists (Zionists) won’t do the same for our domestic religious extremists?
No reason to trust her not establishment democrats to do as they said. Rather put my time and effort into actual resistance. Not some political party that keeps compromising with fascism.
@chrisnotpratt1903 yeah, she once spread weird pro Russian bs about thr genocide in Syria in 2016. I don't for a minute believe she's actually supportive if palestine, all for one genocide but against one? Yeah right, i smell those Rubels in that pocket of hers
Heck, as Christian pastor who was part of a denomination that sued the last Trump administration over its decision to interfere in women's reproductive choice and the requirements to provide equal accommodations to LGBTQIA/2S folx, if you want the right to participate in non-white Christian nationalist versions of Christianity don't vote for Jill Stein.
Jill Stein is NOT 'far left'.
Honestly I think she's either a centrist that pretends to be a leftist or is a tankie with how she sucks up to putin.
In Europe she would be center-left 😂
Americans thinking the most mild social democrat being on the same level with Joesph Stalin
@@JessicaDainese america thinks genocide is left wing lately 😕
She's not even left or center. She repeats Putin's talking points. She's a spoiler just like the brain-worms guy and she knows how to make herself useful to the far right by pretending to be on the left.
I'm from the UK and watch your videos to stay updated with US politics. I'm also a member of the Green Party here, who places a huge focus on local politics, which I think is why we went from 1 Green MP to 4 in the last GE. It's a shame to see Jill Stein's Green Party is not making the same effort. Thank you for educating me, and fingers crossed for the best outcome in the election in November 🤞
Relying on commentators like Leejah Miller is misguided due to her liberal leanings. Her collaboration with Marie Soledad, a self-proclaimed leftist, falls short, particularly as Soledad faces backlash from actual leftists, especially Black leftists. The controversy started when Soledad defended a Black liberal who accused white leftist Madeline Pendleton of being anti-Black for criticizing Democrats. This stemmed from Pendleton’s video exposing liberal creators who accepted undisclosed funds funneled through companies connected to the Democratic Party. When Pendleton criticized Democrats, a Black liberal redirected the discussion, implying that her critique ignored Black voters who support the party, which led to accusations of racism. This incident exposed how Black liberals weaponize accusations of anti-Blackness to silence non-Black leftists. Black leftists, including myself, see this tactic as an attempt to reduce complex political critiques to identity politics, thereby sidelining the radical perspectives long upheld in our community. Figures like Soledad deploy this identity reductionism to shield the Democratic Party from substantive critique, ignoring why so many leftists and marginalized groups are shifting toward the Green Party. This shift isn’t driven by misinformation but by Democrats consistently alienating key voting blocs, including Muslim voters, through their political strategies and efforts to undermine the Green Party. Kamala Harris’s pandering to conservatives only deepens this divide. Leftists aren’t being "grifted" into voting Green. Many of us have drawn firm lines as Democrats continue to allow Netanyahu to cross every red line without consequences. This, alongside the Democrats’ empty post-election promises, like the uncertain arms embargo deal, has deepened disillusionment with the party. Videos like Miller’s entirely miss the point, reducing Green Party supporters to manipulated voters while ignoring the principled stances many have taken against Democrats’ harmful political strategies.
Relying on commentators like Leejah Miller is misguided due to her liberal leanings. Her collaboration with Marie Soledad, a self-proclaimed leftist, falls short, particularly as Soledad faces backlash from actual leftists, especially Black leftists. The controversy started when Soledad defended a Black liberal who accused white leftist Madeline Pendleton of being anti-Black for criticizing Democrats. This stemmed from Pendleton’s video exposing liberal creators who accepted undisclosed funds funneled through companies connected to the Democratic Party. When Pendleton criticized Democrats, a Black liberal redirected the discussion, implying that her critique ignored Black voters who support the party, which led to accusations of racism. This incident exposed how Black liberals weaponize accusations of anti-Blackness to silence non-Black leftists. Black leftists, including myself, see this tactic as an attempt to reduce complex political critiques to identity politics, thereby sidelining the radical perspectives long upheld in our community. Figures like Soledad deploy this identity reductionism to shield the Democratic Party from substantive critique, ignoring why so many leftists and marginalized groups are shifting toward the Green Party. This shift isn’t driven by misinformation but by Democrats consistently alienating key voting blocs, including Muslim voters, through their political strategies and efforts to undermine the Green Party. Kamala Harris’s pandering to conservatives only deepens this divide. Leftists aren’t being "grifted" into voting Green. Many of us have drawn firm lines as Democrats continue to allow Netanyahu to cross every red line without consequences. This, alongside the Democrats’ empty post-election promises, like the uncertain arms embargo deal, has deepened disillusionment with the party. Videos like Miller’s entirely miss the point, reducing Green Party supporters to manipulated voters while ignoring the principled stances many have taken against Democrats’ harmful political strategies.
If she wasn't a grifter, she'd be working towards bettering the party every month -- not just during campaign season. The fact that her party is imploding and that the ONLY time she does anything is when running for the highest office is proof that she isn't serious about it. She should be doing the work, not just jumping in at the eleventh hour and claiming she has any experience with policy.
She is working towards bettering the party every month
Absolutely. She's there to feed her ego. Oh, and she's met with Putin in Russia, so she's probably getting some major money from their oligarchs.
@@KriZtiaN17VL
No she's not. This is just you giving lip service so that when Trump gets in you don't feel culpable.
If you vote 3rd party and Trump gets in again, knowing everything we know it's 100% the fault of everyone who didn't vote Harris.
@@KriZtiaN17VL These battered liberals are not going to listen to reality, mate.
Leeja is being dishonest by highlighting David Duke's support of Jill Stein. He could've come out in favor of Chase Oliver from the Libertarian Party that is also anti-war, but clearly he chose Stein to make her look bad by association. The Republican base didn't come out in huge numbers for McCain and Romney. Ron Paul was their equivalent of Bernie Sanders. So the Republican Party shifted to the right and gave them Trump. This is an example of how withholding support can shift a party's positions. The Democrats have shifted to the right starting with Bill Clinton. So there's something to be said about Trotsky's observation that fascism is a reaction to capitalism in crisis. Harris winning will lead to a more extreme Republican running in 2028 and the Democrats will still be the same. If anything, they will also become more right-wing (just watch Harris' DNC speech). Imagine Gavin Newsom vs JD Vance 2028, because that's what you're getting.
Jill also seems to be a bad doctor too. In 2016 i remember her trying to appeal to anti-vaxxers by promoting a spaced out vaccination schedule and/or recommending to just take half of them. Which to me, as a biolgist, is like finding a halfway point between sanity and insanity. Its like saying "Drinking this entire bottle of bleach would be crazy....so I'll just drink half of it". Thats Jill Stein.
And apparently people want to say she's a good third party choice. I feel like every time she's talked about or shows up, it just adds to another list of reasons as to why I shouldn't like her at all. America deserves a real third party that isn't a complete joke.
@@chrisnotpratt1903 Yes, a lot of my left wing progressive Friends in liberal cities like Chicago are unfortunately safeguarded by the state they live in And Feel that by voting third party they're really making a difference. Their state is going to be blue anyway, they're privileged enough to not really see the effects that their choices can make on the whole country. It's easy enough to just say the right thing like Jill does, but it's obvious that she has no idea what she means by what she says. In recent years I've became much more of a theoretical communist, but in practice I'm more of a social Democrat Because obviously this world isn't ready to work together yet, but that has only come through years of reading left-wing literature and getting involved with community outreach to understand a balance, not just showing up every 4 years to spew poetry like Jill
Shiva Ayyadurai has knowledge of eastern traditions. He spoke out at the critical time in 2020 when Stein was nowhere to be seen. Spacing out and taking fewer could be better but zero is the only way to not poison them.
Wouldn't appealing to anti-vaxxers by promoting a spaced out vaccination schedule or recommending to just take half of vaccines be reason for the AMA to take away her license to practice medicine? 🤔
@@AdultThirdCultureKid1971 I don't think so, because she said it in passing while campaigning, not offering it as legitimate medical advice to patients. She was careful not to really go on a tirade about those kinds of things, but she pushed those conspiracies just enough, which, for people with low IQs, is enough for them to believe it.
I've been following this election extensively as a Canadian. I keep vacillating in between cautious hopeful optimism and annoyingly cynical pessimism. The amount of holier than thou, 'cutting off your nose to spite your face' rhetoric from enlightened centrists and leftists is infuriating. Only one candidate is hell bent on dismantling every institution and consolidating power amongst themselves and their closest sect of advisors. If they win, there is a very real chance you will never get another say again. The fact that this election is effectively a dead heat is astounding.
Ditto, from Austria.
And yet, Democrats aren't making much effort to earn those peoples votes, no they'd rather loose than do what most of their own voters want. It's not voters that need to get their act together, it's Democrats.
As a fellow Canadian, I share your frustrations
As an American that's exactly what I scream into my pillow at night. And as an American let me apologize to our lovely northern neighbors. We're working on it. I swear.
@@c.michellesparks2925 it's not your or any sensible American's fault that have the country worships a tapioca-brained fascist.
Full disclosure: I have voted 3rd Party, I have voted for Jill Stein. I have even run for office 3trd Party. I usually vote 3rd Party if there is one on the ballot and I believe we would have a stronger democracy if everything did not always collapse into two parties.
That said, I will add that I voted for Biden in 2020 and will vote for Harris this year despite living in one of the safest blue states because I wanted and now want Donald "Tweetie-pie" Trump not merely to be defeated in the electoral vote, but to be crushed in the popular vote. I want Johnson-Goldwater levels. I want Nixon-McGovern levels. I won't get it, but I will do my tiny bit toward making it happen.
With that said, my answer to the question "grifter or savior" is "neither." No candidate is a "savior" and if it's a grift, it's a damn lame one.
Two final observations: It's become almost traditional, in the event of any close election at any level, to as election day approaches set up third parties as an excuse for losing, the better to avoid addressing your own failures. If those 3rd Party voters are important to you, address their concerns. Condescension and scolding will not help you. (As an example, even at this late date, were Harris to break with Biden on Gaza it would likely net her several points.)
And two, as a member of the Green Party I don't know that I would have voted for Stein anyway. This is her third run and I think she has become too equated with the party in the general public's mind; that is, people think "Green Party=Jill Stein=Green Party." We need new faces.
She didn't run in 2020 and she didn't want to run this year. She stepped up after Cornel West bailed.
I think getting Greens past 5% so they can be at the debates, have ballot access and federal matching funds is a lot more constructive than making Trump feel bad.
Genocide is such an obvious red line, I can't understand how insignificant it appears to be to so many people.
True. I think of the Green Party as being a vehicle for her massive ego and as a spoiler to aid the far right. When the Green Party starts working at a grass-roots level (the puns write themselves) for progressive change, I'll take them seriously.
@@TheAureliac The Green party has won over 1500 local elections. You just don't hear about it on the corporate media because corporate media only cover corporate sellouts. Greens don't take corporate $, nor AIPAC $. They have a tiny fraction of the billion $ that Dems raise every election. Dems make empty promises like codifying Roe every election, then choose to fail once in office. Dems are the grifters, not Greens.
Jill Stein didn't run last election, and she didn't want to run this year either. She only stepped up this time because Cornel West bailed. You ignorantly parrot the smear that she runs for ego, but that's just empty propaganda by a corrupt Dem party that is afraid of honest competition. If Dems weren't so corrupt, we wouldn't need a Green party.
@@TheAureliac I don't intend to go on with this, so know that I will read any reply but don't be offended if I don't respond further. That said, three things:
I'm always amused by accusations of "massive ego" directed against candidates. We know Trump has a big ego, but are we to think that Harris doesn't? Do you really think anyone could undertake running for president with the intention of winning or even, for 3rd Party candidates, being taken seriously without a big ego? Really?
Next, I call BS on the "spoiler to aid the far right." That's the same old same old "You're just helping the other side" with an accusation of conscious intent added to the standard one of effect.
Finally, the GP has worked and does work on the local level. But first, any office below House of Representatives is unlikely to get any non-local news coverage so you wouldn't hear about it, second, many local elections are non-partisan, so a GP member could win but wouldn't be identified that way, and third, where they are partisan, 3rdParty candidates get the same "you're helping the other side" that they get in non-local elections.
Indeed, because the GP is so small, it's impact, like 3td Parties generally, will be seen mostly on the local level - the school board turned away from banning books here, the underserved community getting its sewers improved there - while presidential campaigns serve mostly as advertisement for the party.
Which brings me back to an earlier point: "If those 3rd Party voters are important to you, address their concerns." If you fail and lose an election as a result, you have yourself to blame, not them. Bluntly, the prospect of a Donald "Tweetie-pie" Trump victory is not Jill Stein's fault, it's the Democrats'.
@@whoviating No it is the Republican's own fault they still have Trump the DEMENTED. (They simply refuse to let the sick old man retire...they want the SECOND COMING!!! or some other CREEPY RELIGIOUS THING to SAVE their way of "half-dead life" circa year ZERO. You know turn off the power and live as primitive as you can as the Lord decreed - as the book says.) Hence their extreme pro-Isreal stance. etc.
The problem I have with this video and videos like this. Is they're always attacking jill stein and never the libertarian party, which the libertarian party gets more votes. Voting for a third party is never voting for the opposite party of the two major parties that you were never gonna vote for in the first place. If the democrats actually was worried about jill stein, they would realize her policies are somewhat popular and imitate some of them.That's the issueThe democrats don't want you to vote for the things you actually care for they just want you to vote for them so they can s**** y** over like the two major parties do. We have a long ways to go to fix our political system.But attacking third parties isn't helping anyone
This. The Dems always would rather scare you into voting for them instead of putting forth policies that would appeal to most voters.
If they scare you with “Trump bad” or “Jill is a Russian asset” then your only alternative is to vote blue no matter who which completely removes any leverage you have in withholding your vote unless you are given better policies
And who the hell on the left was considering the Libertarian Party exactly?
@@Jsmooth1174You don't HAVE leverage. You don't have ranked choice voting yet. Live in reality.
@@FelisImpurrator you obviously do have leverage if people of the Democratic Party are so up in arms about Jill Stein being an option people can vote for. The leverage is withholding your vote for the Democrat unless the Dem does what is in your interest
Every time a video like this is published, JiLL's following grows, because her profiles are "schadoowbaned" in social media, but people hear her name in these smear videos, get curious about what she stands for, and eventually decide to vote for her, because her policies make sense.
It's really frustrating seeing her take advantage of people's anger to grift
She is not taking advantage, she speaks what the democrats won't say
The left can't win. If Bernie Sanders runs for the Democrat nomination, he's a grifter who should have run on a third-party ticket; if Jill Stein runs on a third-party ticket, she's a grifter who should have run for the Democrat nomination!
Who do you think are the real grifters, the Greens who don't take any corporate $ or AIPAC $ and have about 5 million this election, or the Dems raise a billion $ every election and do the bidding of Wall Street, fossil fuel, and the war machine?
@@TihetrisWeathersby then why aren’t the democrats doing anything to win those angry voters back instead of clapping about winning one of George w bush’s torture program writers, and not getting into a pissing contest about who’s going to be tougher on the border?
@@KriZtiaN17VL Ie. she's grifting the way Trump grifts: just say what the people want to hear.
Stein is absolutely unqualified, and has exactly ZERO chance to make any kind of change, and voting for her is voting for Donald Trump (and his pals, like Netanyahu, Orban, Putin et al.).
Stein is anti-nuclear. Enough for me to dismiss her entirely.
Jill Stein is a gifter, not a grifter!
No politician is coming to save Gaza.
We know that I am not voting for president at all down ballot is way more important than
She would if people would vote for her. But people seem to prefer voting for genocide while telling themselves that they had no choice.
@@Jibril_Abdulkadir Ie. you're boosting Trump, who is Netanyahu's pal and extremely pro-Israel and anti-Muslim (and anti-Palestine).
Now, if you hate, or don't give a crap about Palestinians, that's fine - although you're also voting for a disaster in the US (domestic chaos, destroying government institutions, an authoritarian power grab, economic turmoil etc.) and the world at large (complete victory for Netanyahu in Palestine, selling off Ukraine to Putin, empowering the likes of Orban and other dictators, etc.).
And no Gazan is coming to save our Democracy.
So, I'm voting Blue.
@@77CreationK. There is quite a few Palestinians living in the US and voting in this election
Ok, as someone who is currently planning on voting green this election cycle, I will go ahead and say it with my chest like you asked. I don't think Jill Stein will win, I'm not voting for her to "punish" Harris, I still hope Harris wins this year, I wish I could vote green up and down the ticket, I will vote blue where green isnt an option. I live in a solid blue state, if I lived in a swing state or even a red state I would probably be voting Harris, if some news came forward that made me think my state could flip red I would probably change my vote to Harris. As of right now in a solid blue state where my vote changes nothing about the outcome of the election because of the way the electoral college is set up I feel like the best thing I can do with my otherwise insignificant vote is vote for the issues I want to see adressed. I wont be voting early just in case I need to swallow the bitter pill and vote for Harris to keep the fascist out of office but as of right now those are the reasons I intend to vote green.
Actually the only good pro green argument, i live in a red state and still vote blue or for the less extreme Republican. If you know who is gonna win, your vote still sends a message.
Hello Edson.
May I ask if you are you Brazilian or otherwise Portuguese-speaking? That beautiful name Edson is common in Brazil and some countries in Africa :)
There are some points I'd like to leave here for your consideration, that were not addressed on the video:
A) JiII has a goal of actual winning, she's not "just a tool". 5% popular vote will put a REAL LEFT PARTY seating at the table with the 2 main parties, as it could be in ballots in the next election, with better funded campaigns and participating in national debates with the 2 main parties.
B) "JiII is just a protest vote": not really. JiII and the GP have social plans, both for everybody and for minorities, that includes cutting expenditure in wars and using that money in social projects at home, such as improving Medicare, building social housing, having free education and raising minimum wage.
C) In some states, parties are required to have had presidential candidates in the previous elections to be able to have local candidates.The Green Party voted for JiII.
D) Unlike Dems and Reps, the Green Party doesn't receive public funds, nor funds from interest groups and mega corporations, so the campaigns aren't as flashy, with big rallies. But reaching 5% of popular vote would give the GP access to federal and state funds, automatic ballot access and participation in national debates. It would finally give a third party a chance to compete with the other 2 parties, and that's what many people want.
E) Endorsements: JiII is endorsed by Jeffrey Sachs and AbandonHarris. Regarding the KKK person, JiII never asked for it, and she REJECTED it on the same day.
F) Using a lawyer or firm that Trump used: so that lawyer that is specialized in Election Law shouldn't work for any other politician for the reswt of his life? And the consulting firm either?
G) There are Greens elected locally, not as many, but again check number D).
Also, these smearing videos are VOTER SUPRESSION to me!
Tem um bom dia!
This video conveniently forgets that Cornel West was supposed to run Green, and he dropped out, leaving the party empty. Shameful to forget this.
Correct. Stein wasn't planning to run this time around, but was more or less FORCED to, because the Greens would lose their hard-won ballot line in future elections if they didn't have a candidate on the ballot for 2024. When West decided to drop the Greens and make an independent run, Dr. Stein was the only other choice the party had on such short notice.
If you want to be a lawyer and spin a story this is a good way. But she was not charitable to the greens at all.
@~13:00, "Trump winning isn't punishment for the Democrats, it's punishment for millions of working and oppressed people."
As important as this election is, why aren't Harris and the Dems trying harder to win? Why would Harris risk another Trump presidency instead of giving up the money from AIPAC?
She's willing to let that happen just for some money, and you want people to vote for her?
Tighten up.
Exactly, the voters are NOT to be blamed if Trump wins, why should I vote for a candidate which doesn’t represents me? It’s that simple, that’s what Democracy means, the democrats can’t keep winning forever therefore the blame goes to the system NOT to the voter!!
Spot on. For me the most infuriating thing about democrats is that Netanyahu and AIPAC are actually hoping and praying that they lose to Trump but yet they keep worshiping them. I have never sen anything like this in politics.
I’m glad to hear you talk about local action to break out of the two party system. I talk about it every time someone brings up a third party vote.
Because you're repeating dnc, talking points, did Obama build up some kind of coalition? No, he was running against Hillary. The third Democrat was unknown. And only because people listened it to him. Did he gain the support to win? Listen to what Jill Stein has to say. This is believing the people in power. About what will or will not take away their power!?!?!?!
Maybe Harris should host a town hall in Dearborn Michigan and explain how she plans to hold Netanyahu accountable in contrast to how Biden isn't. Racial supremacy is either wrong and unacceptable, or it isn't. Democracy only works if the voters aren't all bloodthirsty depraved psychopaths. Otherwise, we should probably start thinking of new systems of governance that favor merit and morality, not wealth, ethnicity, or even populism.
She has spoken with our Michigan Arab leaders several times and received their endorsement, although the Arab mayor of Hamtramck is for the 🍊.
Accountable for what?
We tried Western imperialism in Middle East; it didn’t work. The world isn’t our chess board to play with.
bruh they let her sit at a table 6 feet away from Putin 😂😂😂
FSB been signing her checks for over a decade now
and across the table from her was General Michael Flynn, a Christo-fascist working with Trump.
She's never received $ from Russia. She paid her own way to that conference, where all she did was speak up for peace. She criticized Putin's militarism along with US militarism. She was investigated for 3 years based on that stupid photo, and they found no wrongdoing at all. You're a victim of propaganda.
Genious, don't you think she had been trialed fort treason if that was the case?
She was investigated and EXONERATED by the Sen. Intel , see Muller Report on Freign Interference, volume III, published by the Sen. in 2019.
@@samf.s.7731 "She sat near a dictator who has imperialist and expansionist ambitions! And?! I don't see how that matters!
Anyway, Isreal should stop that in Gaza, is bad!
Dear American Left. Just stop.
Thank You, Leeja for your clear voice on this matter. I am, in general, a big believer in the power of symbolic action but not when It can have such negative unintended (? presumably) consequences.
Well the republican party was once a 3rd party! They broke in and managed to replace the other 2nd major party of the time, the Whigs. Funny enough they did this at another contentious point in our history too. At the time the Whigs were unravelling over their support of slavery. Both major parties supported it and people were getting sick of it. Finally, after The Kansas Nebraska Act (which would've essentially made it possible to bring slavery into the western territories), people from both parties had had enough and decided to form the Republican Party. From what I understand, the first time they tried running they weren't successful, but they managed to garner enough support so that the second time they ran, people saw the potential and decided to join. And that's the story of how the Republican party became the next major party :) ..... So really, it's only impossible if you never try... Sure they might not win in this election BUT -- if they get a large enough support from the people, and the other two parties continue to be an exact replica of one another by 2028, then yes by the next election cycle it could CERTAINLY happen! There may have been a lot of disagreements within the parties way back when, as well as many a split due to several issues, but it took the issue of SLAVERY to finally make it happen. Elites on both sides wanted to keep it, but people's humanity finally prevailed! Today, its the elites of both parties who want to continue a gen.0.cide along with their corrupt corporate agenda's. And once again, humanity has the chance of prevailing if people were to actually demand what they really want. Demand and persevere through the consequences for the next 4 years. Push through the discomfort of forgoing the status quo so that the NEXT ELECTION CYCLE - we actually can have a better future and party for we the people :)
I mean we either take a chance fighting for something different, or submit to an endless cycle we've seen only gets more and more evil within each term :/
Exactly!
I voted for Stein very proudly in 2016, in large part because I was brand new to the world of politics/voting and was under the deep illusion that voting is basically a game or a mere extension of me as an individual. In other words, I was deeply gullible and naive and arrogant. Not a good combination of things to be in any situation.
In 2020, I was very torn between voting for Biden and whatever the Green dude's name was in that election, and in the end I was one of the 400k or so people who went with the Green in the country. I was very much less of an egotistical buffoon at that time, but looking back I was still having clear issues seeing the bigger picture.
Now in 2024 there are no more illusions or sense of superiority in me anymore. I just cast my vote via mail yesterday for Harris- as well as Kaine for Senate in Virginia and Subramanyam for Congress in Virginia 10. Even though all of them are going to win my state or race fairly easily, I still did so without any hesitation.
Third party voters just want to feel superior to those around them, and act like they "know better" than the masses. When in reality they are incredibly self centered individuals who have no clue how anything in the world of government or voting works. Speaking from years of experience there. The Green party- and all other third parties- are just a waste of time and space. They show up every 4 years for a presidential election, put next to zero effort in to actually do anything with that, and then disappear for another 4 years to start the process all over again. They're nothing but a bunch of worthless jokes in reality. And if you continue to throw your support behind worthless jokes yourself, then you may be one too. If I, an inexperienced "kid" of sorts, learned that and changed my ways for the better, then there is no reason why you cannot too.
Dude who cares how effective the green party is right now. I would argue they're so ineffective or "worthless" precisely because they're getting kneecapped by this political system. But all this comes down to is that under one of 2 possible administrations, these protest voters lose their ability to even make their politically masturbatory protest votes. Keeping Trump and maggats out, maybe eventually the day will come where protest voters aren't just a worthless circlejerk and 3rd parties aren't kneecapped at every level. Can't come soon enough honestly
I'm wondering if you are truly suffering from the Stockolhm syndrome, or if you are just PRETENDING to be a regretting GP voter, to dissuade other people dfrom voting JiII.
as someone who planned to vote for jill stein I think reading your comment has changed my mind. I can't be worried about seeing myself as a good person I have care about everyone else. I was going to vote for stien because the dems have destroyed the American economy forever by sanctioning Russia over their attempt to save ppl from white supremacists. They prevented me, and many other black men (we were the largest anti-vaxxer group) from employment, dining and education opportunities after their made-up crisis over the common cold. They made it an imprisonable offense of up to two for transportation union workers to strike causing them to have the worst labor conditions of their sector in the western world. They have taken up the right wing position of being anti-tariff only focused on themselves, the consumer, and not the factory worker who they dont identify with. I should vote for Trump, the further left candidate, who at least seems to campaign for votes rather than corporate donations. Im glad i came here to this new channel give my views a moment to come together.
Stein may not be the best candidate, but I refuse to vote for anyone who maims children and their families regardless of their progrewssive lip-service.
Also, who's to say Project 2025 won't happen under Harris? Roe v. Wade got overturned with Biden, so worse can happen under Kamala "The Cheneys have endorsed me" Harris and most likely will.
I'm tired of these people acting like anything will get better under a blue Republican than a traditional red one. 🙄
I know Jill personally, and I can tell you exactly what she does with her time when she’s NOT running for president. She volunteers for other Greens for free! She personally helped with my city council run as a Green in Toledo, even when I had zero chance of winning. Why? Because it’s the cause that matters. It’s the hope we bring that there can be something different. She phone-banked for me, and she called to thank me for working on the Lake Erie Bill of Rights and helping to save Lake Erie-not because I was going to win, but because it matters, win or lose.
She does this for other Greens all over the country. She’s actively working to get local and state Greens elected, but there’s just no media coverage of this. In 2018 I worked with her on Constance Gadell-Newton's race for Ohio Governor. She stood with us to protest the Nexus pipeline at Fossil Park in Sylvania Ohio. These are the campaigns I personally witnesses her work on. Sometimes, local media shows up, emphasis on sometimes, we invite them, trust me! Media doesn't really care when we are running local office, unless we get lucky to have a good reporter. Dig a little deeper in your research next time Leeja.
Despite the lost campaigns, we are growing. We are the ones that keep begging her to run because, unfortunately for her, she’s the one most people think of when they think of the Greens Party.
We ran Howie last time, and you’re probably thinking, who’s Howie? Well, so did I-even as a Green! Any famous people want to run as a Green? We’d love to have you! I know she’s got to be tired and ready to pass down the mantle. Put in your app at www.gp.org 💚💚☮☮
this comment is everything!!!!
Serious question. How do you push the Democrats left and hold them accountable if you're just going to vote for them anyway?? 🤔
Because an alternative win doesn’t guarantee any chances of holding them accountable
@@johnarvid sure, but neither does voting for them anyway 🤷🏾♂️
@@jusallah3639 That depends on what changes you want in society or in a democracy or in foreign policy
@@johnarvid You're not really saying anything.
It is true that it's impossible to hold Dems accountable, because they don't really care about winning. All they care about is fundraising, which they can do easier when the GOP is in office.
But if enough people realize what's happening, we can dump that corrupt controlled resistance and replace them with a genuine party that will actually represent the best interests of The People rather than corporations.
It's not about pushing Dems left for me, it's about pushing the country left. And third parties only move us to the right.
Stein is neither a grifter nor a savior. However, she's a good place to invest my vote to indicate I have withdrawn permission from the red team and from the blue team. I had planned not to vote this year but all this Democrat vote-shaming has motivated me to vote Green.
Me too. Its a disgrace the way they are treating the lady just as they did with Bernie.
The problem with the "They need to build up" strategy is...with what money? I went with Jill to get 5% so they get federal funding.
Leeja, your comments on Jill Stein, progressives, and election reform were so clear, well-reasoned, and comprehensive. Thanks for making me a little bit smarter. ✌️
Too bad they were also dishonest and misleading. But that's how propaganda always sounds. She could get a job at CNN at this rate.
@@AmianteTarvoke I agree, this video left major points behind that could prove that JiII is not a grifter, such as her not participating in the 2020 elections and not wanting to participate in this one either, but had to, because in some states, parties are required to have participated in the previous presidential elections to be able to have local candidates.
if you're a hibernating mammal that doesn't act locally and just wakes up every 4 years, I'm just going to assume that you're a Russian agent
@@obinator9065 Or maybe you’re someone with piss poor media diet who doesn’t actually do any research. They are active at all levels but Democrats (as well republicans) do suppress/block ballot access and votes.
They have been putting in effort to also reform voting process to ranked choice for a while.
A russian bear, if you will.
She is. She has a lot of photos with putin
@@SmugFrost by lot you mean the one time she was seated at the same table at a news conference event. Which is not out the ordinary for her at multiple countries.
Which she’s been cleared of any wrong doing and she’s explained multiple times. Not like she even had a way to converse with him. She doesn’t speak Russian. So unless he opts to speak English which he probably wouldn’t around her. No translator provider to her.
She provided the recipits that the campaign paid for the travel and lodging
@@SmugFrostLies.
you just clearly do not know your history. the Socialist party was "a thing" in the US, then FDR adopted many of their ideas and we got the New Deal. that's a great example of protest votes making change happen. i guess you think that politics only exists in examples gleaned during your own lifetime. Voting for an oligarchic duopoly is the losing strategy. we need the protest vote NOW more than ever before.
Genuine questions: what was FDR's motivation for adopting their ideas? Was having lots of people vote for the Socialist candidate in the presidential election the catalyst for him making that decision?
@@ka-li-tzi-n FDR won the Presidency four times. the Socialist ideas he adopted helped to build the base of his coalition to make this possible. maybe he could have done other things, but this was what he did. today's Democrats should take a cue from FDR, but they'd never do that because their current funders are making too much money selling weapons to Israel & elsewhere.
@@ka-li-tzi-n FDR won the Presidency four times. to accomplish this he needed to enlarge his base. Socialist voters were out there, available to support him, if he proposed some of the same causes they espoused. maybe he could have done other things, but he did it this way, and it worked. it's a shame today's Dems would never do the same thing, because their main funders are making too much money off of selling weapons to Israel, Ukraine and god knows where else to let the candidates they have paid for give up the destruction of our planet for the sake of their profits.
@@ka-li-tzi-n i mean really, the catalyst was the Great Depression. if you want to know more about this, then please see Howard Zinn, A PEOPLE'S HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, the best book on US History that i've ever read
Why do people think a vote for Jill stein means they would’ve voted for Kamala? Ever thought maybe people don’t like Biden or Kamala
That would require critical thinking
I think people assume those people are leftists who might understand the major threat to leftist values, the environment, and people’s ability to have their votes counted that a Trump presidency would result in, and might cast their votes based on that.
She didn't actually plan on running again btw. It just happened because it was supposed to be Dr. West, but that didn't work out.
To me, the idea that these 3rd party candidates being placed on the ballot will cause people to vote for them and deter votes from the Democratic Party is ridiculous. If you’re willing to commit to voting third party because of whatever grievance you have with the other two parties, then you’re willing to write them in. The presence of their names makes ZERO difference.
Remember that 2016 was Jill Stein's fault. It had nothing to do with Hillary failing to campaign in swing states late in the election cycle or her team putting on a horrible campaign. Or the fact that she was a highly unpopular candidate.
So you enjoyed the first drumpf term?
@@michaeladkins6missing the point so gracefully it could be an Olympic sport
Don't forget Bernie.
It has also been argued that those who might vote for West or Stein wouldn't vote at all otherwise. So it might not make a difference anyway.
I agree with most of your points but to assume that Nader or Stein voters would have automatically voted for Gore or Clinton has no basis in fact. Many third party voters would rather not vote at all out of principle as they aren’t governed by fear and the lesser of two evils mentality. Would a percentage of third party hold their noses and vote for an establishment candidate? Yes, a percentage would but most would not. If the Democrats would return to being the party of FDR instead of Clinton/Obama, they would rarely lose. I hope Harris isn’t an Obama 2.0 disappointment setting us up for the next fascist.
You've channeled a lot of the frustration I have with the Left as someone on the Left. We regularly do not want to treat American politics as it is, preferring to treat it like we would like it to be. I voted for Jill Stein in 2016. I didn't end up feeling morally superior, or feeling like I sent the Democrats a message, and I will never do that again.
You aren't a leftist if you're voting for gncd.
One big detail you’re leaving out is most states don’t allow ballot access in local elections unless your party ran a presidential campaign
She can run to fulfill that requirement, but it doesn't mean we have to vote for her for the requirement to be met?.
@@corinneobrien6196 they have to win a certain number or percentage of votes depending on the state
@@ladygrey4113 ok we’ll still not worth it
@@corinneobrien6196 oh fascinating when goal posts walk, “the greens should focus on local elections, wait they can’t because they have to run presidential campaigns to even run local ones? Well that makes no difference anyway harrumph!”
MAJOR POINTS WERE LEFT OUT :
1) JiII has a goal of actual winning, she's not "just a tool". 5% popular vote will put a REAL LEFT PARTY seating at the table with the 2 main parties, as it could be in ballots in the next election, with better funded campaigns and participating in national debates with the 2 main parties - as, in my opinion, all parties should in a real democracy.
2) "JiII is just a protest vote": no, not really. JiII and the GP have wonderful social plans, bot for everybody and for minorities, that includes cutting expenditure in wars and using that money in social projects at home, such as improving Medicare, building social housing, having free education and raising minimum wage. Not everything in life revolves around Democrats or Republicans.
3) In some states, parties are required to have had presidential candidates in the previous elections to be able to have local candidates.
The Green Party chose and voted for JiII to do so; so no, JiII is NOT A GRIFTER.
4) Unlike Dems and Reps, the Green Party doesn't receive public funds, nor funds from interest groups and mega corporations, so the campaigns aren't as flashy, with big rallies. But reaching 5% of popular vote would give the GP access to federal and state funds, automatic ballot access and participation in national debates. It would finally give a third party a chance to compete with the other 2 parties, and that's what many people want.
3) Endorsements: JiII is endorsed by Jeffrey Sachs and AbandonHarris. Regarding the KKK person, JiII never asked for it, and she REJECTED it on the same day.
4) Using a lawyer or firm that Trump used: so that lawyer that is specialized in Election Law shouldn't work for any other politician for the reswt of his life? And the consulting firm either?
5) JiII isn't "taking votes away" from anyone, ADULTS are voting for her, specially because you-know-you supports you-know-what.
6) There are Greens elected locally, not as many, but again check number 4).
7) The whole connections to Russia I left to the end because it has been debunked so many times, that is ludicrous by now. Wouldn't she be charged with treason if that was the case? But in case anyone is still wondering about the 2015 photo with Piutihn, JiII was investigated and EXONERATED. See Mueller Report on Foreign Interference, published by the Sen. in 2019
8) Guys, VOTER SUPRESSION is a horrible thing to do!
Everyone has the right to vote in whoever represents them best, so let people vote according to their conscience, you want to vote for a gen... suhpporter that's fine, but understand not everyone shares the same values as you!
Have a good day.
I did campaign work last election for a Democrat candidate and most of the time people just felt so upset they're being forced to vote for the Democrats since they felt like the party didn't actually care about them and their family, but the risk of democracy being too great if they didn't do so
Queer woman here, I have been critical of some of your positions before, not out of any desire to hold to a Purity threshold, but because there are times where I have observed, to the best of my knowledge, that you... are not correct about certain things. There's no shame in it, I'm certainly incorrect enough of the time, and you certainly aren't the only commentator to be emphatic in their positions, but not every bit of criticism you receive is necessarily disingenuous, or mansplaining, or other such unpleasantness, and I am beginning to note a pattern of increased frequency in how you decry your critics. I do consider your social democrat legalistic perspective to be valuable, but the path to radicalization can be paved by hostility to criticism, as not all criticism is valueless and introspection can be a useful tool to refine ourselves.
As an example of something you... appear to be incorrect about, we did have the last four years to criticise Biden, and it certainly appeared to change the courses of action he took *very little* if at all, the scale of the protest against Israel's actions in Gaza, and the corresponding prolonged lack of response from Biden made that *very* clear.
Your comment restored my faith in humanity. Thank you!
Jill Stein immediately denounced David Dukes endorsement, unlike Kamala who paraded Dick Cheney’s endorsement. 61% of Stein voters said they wouldn’t have voted otherwise. Jill wouldn’t be to blame for the downfall, Jill wouldn’t have any fire under her campaign right now if Kamala did what it took to win. But she isn’t prioritizing correctly and THATS what will be to blame.
so 39% of stein voters are votes that could be against trump
You dont think Dick endorsed Kamala because the gop threw his daughter out of the party. Please think before you make drumpf president again.
@@michaeladkins6so you agree torture isn’t a redline for you
@@michaeladkins6 Your dear friend K is making president again, by sticking to you-know-you instead of her own voters.
@@michaeladkins6the point isn't just he endorses kamala kamala also stated she wants Republicans in her administration and clearly likes his endorsement this illusion of 2 parties has americans brainsfried
I love your passion. It's therapeutic for someone to voice my anger publicly.
The problem is that there is never any attempt at party building between presidential elections. I would at least give her a look if I saw some effort. All I see is that she pops up every 4 years to run for president, fund raise then disappears until the next presidential election. We never see her or the Green Party after the election is over.
"I voted for you and I expect better, but I'll obediently vote for you again no matter what you do or who you send billions of dollars of military hardware to." Yeah, that'll work. That will really push the needle.
What gets me is that, I can give folks a pass on their naivete in 2016. But IDK how anyone who's old enough to have lived through the past 4-8 years would sincerely risk Trump getting back into office.
The loss of the SC alone, and the consequences that came from that, should be more than enough to have people reconsider if this election is the one to play around with. There's no leverage to be used against a party who have made clear they'll never let us have a seat at the table if they can help it.
I voted for Biden and it’s one of my deepest regrets in my life, I knew he had a horrible track record for death and destruction in the Middle East, when I voted for him I even commented how he would be better for my friends and family but worse for the rest of the world, and I was right… I wish there was a candidate who cared about everyone and wasn’t evil, and Jill Stein isn’t evil, but everyone is so dedicated to the two party system, that I know she won’t win. If everyone voted for a president they actually wanted to win, we wouldn’t be in this situation. I’ve never met a single person who sincerely liked Biden, they just didn’t want Trump, same with Kamala.
Dems could fix the Supreme Court right now if they wanted to.
@@coppermoth6069 I too wish the overall electoral system was better, but progress isn't made with perfect candidates and wishful thinking. Additionally, how can you confidently say "Jill Stein isn't evil," when she's never held office in a way that would push and challenge her convictions? The general logic to support her seems to be solely based on the fact that she's a 3rd party who says the right things, rather than how sincere she is as a person, much less how effective she'd be as a president.
She can't even rebuke Putin with her whole chest in the same way she does Netanyahu, but we're supposed to believe she's up to the task regarding foreign affairs?
But away from that, none of what you said refutes my core point: There is no moving forward with the kind of people who have made clear, on no uncertain terms, how much contempt they have for progressives and democracy.
I'll say one more time: This is NOT the election to play around with. The kicker is that breaking up the two-party system wont magically solve all our problems either. What good is an extra party while the EC stays in place (forget the quality of those extra parties)? Play the game pragmatically until you have the leverage to change the rules. Bernie, AOC, and others have long-since figured this out, and have proven it works.
@@coppermoth6069 she is evil to ukranians
@@coppermoth6069 There is no 2 party system. They are dedicated to wasting their vote in a 2 party strategy that helps the party they supposedly don't want. Biden was rolling out the red carpet for Trump to win in a land slide.
A vote for Stein is a vote for Trump, PLEASE dont throw your vote away this election!
I’ve seen this same argument against every third party candidate on both parties. Most people I talk to that support third parties do so because of the safety of their districts, and would not vote for their prospective “main” party candidate regardless. Whining about spoilers has never been as effective as adopting popular policy positions, for any party.
I agree. Obviously, those who criticize Jill Stein won’t criticize her policies. Democrats would rather lose the election than defy Israel.
In my state, they made folks want to vote for stein, so that the green party could gain ballot access.
How much of a demand for change was my vote for Nader? We got Cheney and Iraq and Guantanimo and waterboarding and no one cared about clean air. duh.
well yes they are democrats. they voted to go to Iraq based on an empty building being knocked down on live tv that had nothing to do with Iraq.this wasnt a surprise given Clinton had already been in Iraq in the 90s and was involved in more wars than any other president.
Gore might well have lost without Nader on the ballot, and he might well have succeeded with him. Scapegoating Nader has just made things worse!
In Florida, 24,000 Dems voted for Nader, while 300,000 Dems voted for Bush. Dems always blame anyone but themselves for their own failures. But they have a stranglehold on the media, so everyone just believes their lies.
@@Blaqjaqshellaq People always prefer to blame 3rd parties instead of assuming defeat of their 2 bigger parties' candidates!
@@evasco1979 The left used to know enough to blame the Democratic Party's electoral losses on their systematic shortcomings, and some still do. But when the "pragmatic" left did the DNC's dirty work, they sent the message "It's up to us to support you unanimously no matter how badly you let us down," which guaranteed worse letdowns!
When you give your vote to a candidate not because of their policy platform and leadership but mainly because they've convinced you no one else has a chance of winning, how is THAT not a 'wasted' vote?
In 2020 82 million eligible voters did not vote, more than voted for either Biden (81m) or Trump (74m). The idea of 'siphoning' voters from one candidate to another is a real thing, but our elections are not nearly 'zero-sum games'. A 1/3 of eligible voters (41% in 2016) did not see a choice on the ballot worth overcoming obstacles to vote. Why is that? It's not that there were no other choices than Blue and Red - in 2016 Greens (Stein) infamously 'spoiled' Hillary's bid, although Libertarians got more 2016 votes than Greens - it's that eligible voters were denied SEEING other choices by Blue-Red monopoly of media, elections, and allegiances. P.T. Barnham would be proud of our contemporary Blue and Red parties.
The elections in the U.S. are stacked against non-Corporate Candidates, for sure. But that does not mean your vote is worthless or 'wasted'. Indeed, if everyone who agrees with the Jill Stein Green Party platform policies were to vote for Stein, she'd win.
My point is that, in 2020, 82 million eligible voters 'wasted' their votes by not voting at all. How many more wasted theirs by voting for Blue or Red only because they were convinced no one else has a chance of winning? What would be the outcome in this 2024 election if the 7-8 popular candidates for president and their platforms had been presented to every eligible voter and debated in public with the public, and all eligible voters had a chance to consider with their friends and family what it is that matters and which candidate represents those values? Today, now more than ever, a REAL CHOICE is needed - the world can't absorb much more stress, change, or shock as it stands.
www.JillStein2024.com/
Beautifully put! And that first argument is very, very compelling.
Thank you!
I’ve been voting since 1996. I’m sick of always having to vote for the less disappointing of two candidates I don’t want. I’m sick of the US being involved in endless wars in the Middle East. This is the one issue that is even scarier to me than the right to an abortion. I don’t want my son drafted for WW III to fight someone else’s holy war. This is the year I’m breaking and voting for Stein or not voting at all.
Unless she accepted the DD endorsement why mention it? Spoiler alert: she denounced it.
Presidential election=vote blue no matter who, the next three years=vote
the ballot says to vote for a candidate not a color.
How nice of the ballot to not inform you how government works. The person you vote for appoints countless government officials, and you’d best believe the majority of those appointments will match the color of the candidate doing the appointing. The Presidency is far more than the man or woman who sits at the Resolute desk.
@jasongallagher631 okay but that's not the point, we can't change how we election the president until we change other ish
"Vote Blue no matter who!" is preaching to the choir. No, it's preaching AT the choir! And the swing voters aren't likely to be won over...
"No matter who" sounds so MAGA. So blind. No accountability. They don't have to earn your vote. They can do anything, even genocide, and you'll still vote for them. So why should they ever listen to you on any issue then?
Thanks to Ranked Choice Voting, I can vote for Jill Stein and Cornell West without losing my vote for Kamala Harris.
Thank you Leeja, can always count on you for a dose of sanity
She is 100% a grifter. A shameless grifter at that.
@LeejaMiller Thank you for this video btw. I just had to delete some apps because I couldn’t stop arguing with people about this very topic. It’s so validating to hear someone articulate clearly what I keep trying to get across.
i love that she totally disappears until it’s time to run for President again 😅 has anyone even seen her in real life? lmao i feel like she’s just propped up every four years
If we truly want to dramatically shift the American political landscape, it would require a grassroots movement advocating for an overhaul of our election system, not voting for Jill Stein. Establishing a national holiday for voting would be a good first step.
Actually the green party is a grassroots movement advocating for an overhaul of our voting system.
We need to convince people to vote. They've been lead to believe all the antivoting propaganda.
If you want a grassroots movement to overhaul the election system, the first step is to vote for Jill Stein.
@@Blaqjaqshellaq A blatant, absurd lie, and nothing more. Stein has *exactly zero* chance to make *any* kind of change - and clearly she's not interested in even trying to bring about that change, since she does *nothing* to advance any such change.
A vote for Jill Stein is a vote for Donald Trump (and his pals like Netanyahu, Orban, Putin et al.).
That isn't going to happen with a Democrat candidate either. Look at how the party consistently sabotages progressive candidates like Bernie and Jamal Bowman. The change that is needed must come from the organizing, striking and solidarity of ordinary citizens outside of government.
I’m from Maine. Unless something has changed recently that I’m unaware of, we can’t use rank choices voting to elect the governor because of how the state constitution is written. We use it for just about everything else, though.
Thank you for articulating much more succinctly than I have been when trying to explain to those who've told me they're thinking of voting for Jill Stein.
I live in California, which we all know will be sending its votes towards Kamala. My vote for Kamala or my vote for a third party candidate won’t change that fact. I have that “privilege” to be able to make that choose on who I truly want to vote for. I will be voting third party just like I did in 2020. My third party vote in California isn’t going to swing election or going to change the trajectory of the government to be more friendly to 3rd party candidates. If I lived in a swing state, I would be 100% casting my vote for Kamala because I know what the consequences are of a second Trump administration.
Last time I voted for her trump won the electoral college vote.
Hillary lost because of Hillary, there's no point blaming third parties.
Dems have to own that defeat but no, they gaslight everyone into believing it was 3rd party was to blame.
lmao, you don't know how the election works then, so unless you are in a battleground state your vote doesn't matter
I will not vote for a candidate who does not have the basic human morals to protect children. Sorry Trump and Harris.
You should take this energy to the Democrats and not the disenfranchised voter tired of being fed bs and false promises by the Democrats.
Votes are earned, not entitled.
No, they're not. People vote based on emotion and/or how they've traditionally voted in the past. Almost no candidate running "earns" a vote.
@@heronimousbrapson863 I think you need to learn wtf words mean
Don’t forget that you’re voting for the courts. Vote Harris.
Protest vote for further left candidates always backfires. When democrats lose they move further right to try to pull what they see as 'moderate' votes. This has been a big part of the shift right of American political discourse over the last 4 decades. Democrats move further left only when they feel safe to do so.
Demonrats never move further left
@@icantcomeupwithnames469 there are a good number of democrats that are further left than the average member of their party. They are only in areas that are solidly liberal. Should they ever be threatened on the right they move that way. It's been happening for decades. Protest votes not only don't work, they only help the party further from your ideals.
@@DanielMennel Nonsense, it's the areas that are the most loyal to the party that give us the most corrupt neolibs out there.
The money the party gets from AIPAC and the rest of the donor class ASSURES that they will NEVER move to the left. Look at all the effort they put into ratfucking Bernie Sanders in 2016 and 2020....
The. We have two right wing parties and that’s a whole other problem.
It can be easy to fall into the all or nothing reform plans on the left, and these videos help me stay more grounded in my political aspirations. I'm planing to go into activism and politics and this channel was one of the first things that really pushed me down that path! Thanks for all you do Leeja!!!!
Aw yay I love that!!
You cannot break with Democrats when confronted with a well-funded authoritarian movement. For a socialist American to say or do so is completely asinine
The Democrats are a well-funded center-right movement. It's ridiculous for a leftist to keep sacrificing your own power and agency to them.
Congrats to your wedding Leeja🎉💕✨
First, I love your work, regular viewer. There were a number of points I found troubling. David Duke endorsed Stein and Stein denounced the endorsement. That's important especially since Kamala Harris gleefully accepted Dick Cheney's endorsement. Speaking of moving to the right and Alienating voters Al Gore chose Joe Lieberman as his vp. The same Joe who campaigned for John McCain and killed the public option. That's why Gore lost.
In the election of 1856 John Fremont ran against 2 establishment candidates and James Buchanan won but the momentum from Fremont gave Lincoln a better chance 4 years later.
The last minutes of the video I agree with. We are told democracy is a popularity contest every 4 years but what happens in the middle, the protests, and calls for a better democracy are of greater importance.
I may disagree here, but thank you for the work you do. It's important and informative.
Great point about the endorsements. Kamala is actively saying she is proud of the endorsements of the Cheneys. That’s a pretty concerning and might be a sign of what you are really going to get is she wins the presidency
I live in Seattle. Sawant is the absolute worst and an embarrassment to the city of Seattle. I am looking forward to voting against her as soon as I can b
Why? What did she do?
@@Octoberfurst she was ineffective
I live here too and I’m sick of her .
@@Fox.xx4 she isn't in office and hasn't been for a while now. Nobody really liked her that much.
As a Seattleite from Sawant's former district it's THIS CRAP of her's I can't stand. By all means we're aligned politically but I personally voted to recall her because she is prone to doing destructive, performance based gimmicks at the cost of real progress. She is so self righteous to suggest sabotaging a Dem president just to make a point about a single issue.
Participating in the democratic process in a legal and professional manner is not sabotage
Destruc tive why? Performance why? You sound more like an ex or a disgruntled employee than a normal voter.
"Genocide" is a "single issue" to you? 🖕😐
@@evasco1979 if I sound exasperated it's because she liked pulling stunts and ranting rather than making effective change. Performative in that she, in one stunt, she leaked protected personal info on our past mayor during a protest she organized all in order to whip people into a frenzy. Destructive in that her behavior has poisoned the well for other democratic socialist from being able to mount a campaign even in Seattle's most liberal district.
Instead of being practical, working within a flawed system to then advocate for leftist change, as Leeja suggests, she wanted to cosplay being a revolutionary without actually insighting any change. And she's done this for years.
@@coppermoth6069 its absolutely sabotage through a legal voting system. Okay say she succeeds in having Michigan swing to Trump. Now what? Now we're further from the policies she claims to advocate for AND his administration will make it harder to even start. What's her grand plan here? Insight socialist revolution by letting the country swing to the right wing first?
End the duolpoly...Now 🙏 Jill Stein 2024.
People who think voting for a third party is "moral" have confused aesthetics for ethics.
I say this with my whole chest: When it comes to voting, nobody should give a fuck about how you or me feel about any of the candidates.
The fact that voting for democrats makes me feel gross, because I associate the act with symbolic support of the American empire, does not matter. Because that idea, in and of itself, has no tangible effect on anyone but me. My vote DOES affect the world outside myself.
Lots of things that are morally necessary are uncomfortable to do. Suck it up, this isn't about you.
Presidential protest votes in our system are basically political masturbation.
Are you in the mirror talking to yourself? cause it sounds like you’re still not convinced either. You feel bad because you know better. You’re betraying your own moral compass.
@@rothell326 There is no moral act that can be considered totally divorced from its consequences.
The most likely result of third party candidates running and getting votes is that people who would have otherwise voted for one of the big 2 will now be peeled off. In the case of third party 'progressive' candidates, that means a vote for them is, in essence, one fewer vote against Trump.
The result of voting for a third party instead of the Democrats in a general election is that Republicans are more likely to win. I think Republicans are far worse than Democrats, and I act in a manner that is likely to prevent the most harm.
There is no other responsible way to engage with electoral politics. Votes have no sentimental value. You don't become a different person based on how you vote.
@rothell326 A moral compass that is totally divorced from the material consequences of your actions is useless.
I'm not betraying anything for the simple reason that I don't consider U.S politics to be a site of any honor or dignity. They're just a problem to be mitigated in whatever way we can. There's no point in being precious or sentimental about them.
A material non aesthetic thing is for a presidential canidate to not back a genocide and hold isreal accountable for its crimes but ig it's to much to ask for .
@@yassine8935 Sadly, yes it is.
There is no presidential candidate with any realistic chance of winning who will do that. It is not going to happen. You cannot do anything to make it happen. Harris is less likely to make the world worse in other ways.
It is not satisfying or fair but it is the truth. You do nobody in Gaza any favors by ignoring it. Trump will be as bad or worse.
You seem to be under the impression that simply refusing to participate in this specific instance will do any good for anybody, and it won't. The only benefit afforded to those who don't participate is that they will get to feel superior. That is the extent of their reward.
Voting third party only because it feels right is not praxis, it's just complicated hedonism.
Remember: there is no genocide happening in Gaza, and that's because you can't even say the word on RUclips. Always a good policy to bury crimes against humanity with censorship.
I was pretty taken aback that this is one of their bleep-out words as well.
You’re absolutely right. I didn’t even think about that. She’s fighting to keep dems in power and she can’t even mention the genocide. Isn’t that crazy as someone who prescribes to the left. I’m not insinuating anything bad about her. Just that what are you trying to save? We can’t even speak freely about a genocide .
I just wanted to validate that you are absolutely leftist enough. I’m a trans woman who’s been involved in the far left since my college days (Vassar ‘11!), and I agree that the purity testing is nonsense and there’s a reason that it mostly comes from men. Men love the idea of being a hero in a violent conflict.
Traditional revolutionary communism of any variety is really a waste of our time at this point. Post-revolutionary praxis is to render ourselves safe in the environment we have, with the tools we have, and the skills we have.
The only way around this stupid political system is to find ways to reduce its importance and outlast it until it just crumbles into dust.
Some leftists call call Repulicans stupid and then vote for Andrew Yang for UBI. Yes we'll need UBI in a post-AI and -robotics world, but thanks now Trump is president.
@nari5161 There are no pro-Yang leftists. The left starts with anticapitalism, and Yang is not that.
i just don't comprehend how anyone who wants to make actual change in the country is like "yes im going to vote for jill stein" because what will that actually accomplish right now
If we can get Greens past 5%, we can hear a genuinely new voice in debates, one that isn't beholden to Wall Street, fossil fuel, and the war machine. Greens will also finally have ballot access and federal matching funds. Currently, Dems sue Greens off of ballots all the time; it's a dastardly scheme of voter suppression that CNN will never tell you about.
You probably think that Greens "aren't serious" because you don't ever see them on corporate media. Well corporate media only cover corporate sellouts, and Greens don't take corporate $ or AIPAC $. They have only a tiny fraction of the billion $ that Dems raise every election. That should tell you who the real grifters are.
I think your content is a breath of fresh air. Your half-hour videos are masterly focused and logically structured so that even if you disagree with your point of view, an intellectual or at best civil conversation with opposing views can be had.
You also come across the camera really well, very engaging. You don't speak too fast, and the various tones and deflections in your voice keep me from zoning out. I applaud 👏 you 🎉
She’s a grifter.
Harris has a major decision to make regarding Israel. Continued support for Israel may collapse her chance to become president.Jill is a grifter, opinion.
The fact that KH faces losing the election because of that issue and still doesn't let go, shows me where her loyalty is.
Also, JiII didn't run in 2020 and wasn't even going to run in 2024, but the main candidate decided to go an independent, and the GP invited her. She's not a "grifter".
I just realized how unflattering that picture of Jill is on the thumbnail. That's New York Times level of propaganda.