My favorite takeaway from this episode, was the fact that Kilian said to all trail runners to don't be afraid to walk, walking is part of mountain running. For me this was one of the biggest inspiration that I could have gotten.
I appreciated how much he encouraged us to listen to and trust our bodies, especially about output and recovery. His comment, “it’s okay to walk, the running will come.” Is always a good reminder.
I love that part as well. The consistency, joy in training and good recovery will make us a stronger athlete if we can be patient and zoom out far enough.
Phenomenal interview! I watched it because of Killian, but staying due to your talent as an interviewer Floris! So amazing to have someone interview and listen and not try to compete for the spotlight while their guest is speaking. Of Killian's comments - a few stand out to me. His comments on adaptations - he has SO MUCH time in through his life where he has adapted. But also was quite interesting to listen to the part on anxiety - it's not what I hear from interviews about him much. He does seem to be very calm so often. How he manages it through lifestyle choices is quite interesting. Also - all the comments on know yourself and enjoy the process. Not new messages, but ones that I always need reminders on. Thank you both for a great discussion!
Thanks for hosting another information-laden interview with Kilian. My biggest takeaway is "learn who you are" to understand how to train, race, eat and recover. Kilian did a lot of self-experimentation and it's good that he reminds us to experiment ourselves too to learn what works and what doesn't work for each of us as different individuals.
This podcast is simply amazing. To me the best quote is: "Just do what you do because at the end of the day you love it, do not forget that" I am paraphrasing of course, but truly impactful phrase.
I really like to listen to Kilian Jornet and I would never think about to compare his abilities with mine. Thank you Kilian and Floris, you guys are a huge inpiration to us. ......Yes Floris, it was worth it absoulutely to mention you with Kilian in the same sentense. It's not easy to listen to potcasts for 90 minutes usually, but I can listen to you for hours. Your youtube channel is a big motivation getting up every morning to go for a run. All knowledge helps us not to fail at races. You are a pain-killer then isn't it? We are prepared going there because of you told us how to practise. Thank you
Thank you so much for a great interview! I also stopped drinking and don't miss it. 'Enjoy yourself ' - I tell my friends and family the same thing. Much appreciated. From South Africa.
I loved Killian’s view on Failure: Always FOCUS on the PROCESS & not the OUTCOME or RESULT of a race. Focus on what you have learned & achieved personally through the process. Reflect on what worked, what didn’t, & HOW you can do better next time. Such terrific advice ❤️💕
For me a good lesson is when he coment about his negative thoughts during UTMB is something I've learn trough the years, try to keep away negative and take it easy, step by step until the end. Thanks for the interview is always very fun to listen kilian's experience!
The whole interview contains so many valuable lessons, thanks fo that! If I had to choose, my favorite lesson would be "not to be obsessed with the result, but to try to see whats been good, whats been bad and how you can do better next time" :)
Great interview Floris, and so many thoughtful answers from Kilian. I liked his comments on energy management, especially the importance of being calm at the start of the race. At UTMB with all the noise and hype and excitement at the start-line it's easy to see how it could be an energy drain.
Spot on takeaway Steve, energy management is so key. He mentioned in the first interview something about energy as well, with life / work stress, this was a great addition to that point on race day.
My favourite takeaway also relates to the concept of failure. Especially where he mentioned to change the way we think about failure because as he said if all goes well then we only know that everything was good. However, when we fail then we can actually analyse what went wrong and improve. A lot of times I am afraid of failure and then won't go for something and "play safe" but end up learning a lot less or even nothing. Amazing to learn from Killian's experience and wisdom!
"Failure is it's there all the time and it's important... That is the way you grow as an athlete and as a person". Seeking failure is just pushing yourself seen through another lens and probably part of the reason many people get into running slightly silly distances (whatever that means to you). I love how many times Kilian points out that you cannot just take another persons approach to these challenges / training, you have to keep failing to learn what works for you!
I really enjoyed listening to the interview again and I must say that listening to Kilian stops me breathing at times hahahaha.....Very interesting hearing him and sharing all his experiences. Definitely inspiring! For me listening to him and trying to pick one of the most important thing, topic or take a way is impossible! It's like asking me which Metallica's track is your favourite. Impossible! If I love doing something, love it with your heart and give it all you have. .....failures are more important than any success in terms of learning. So let it be the take away. I supposed to run Tamadaba trail marathon this morning but instead seating on the sofa, recovering and watching/listening to the basics by Kilian. Hahahaha. Thumbs up for your podcast Floris. Greetings from Gran Canaria
Liked hearing Kilian say : " Train well but never to exhaustion. Save your best for race day". And also " Focus on the process not so much the result. There will be failures, learn from them ". I find this difficult, and i tend to beat myself up when races dont go to plan, but for the last 2,5 years i have been highly motivated, listening to my body, when i doubt skipping the hard session, and being able to string along this long period of 5 to 6 runs per week Without Injuries, mainly by finding joy and fun in today's run.
Love these takeaways Stef! I can totally relate, it’s challenging not to beat yourself up when a race doesn’t go according to plan but these are indeed good experiences to learn from too. Glad you are now able to run injury free and enjoy the process! 👍👍
The takeaway, good racing validates good training. I appreciate the deep dive into all the different facets of Kilian's journey to UTMB victory, his mindset, and holistic approach to the community. Thank you both!
Wow great interview. It is so easy to listen to Kilian. I love his philosophy of keeping it simple; Sleep and nutrition; no fancy and costly tools required for recovery.
Another awesome episode. My favorite takeaway from this one is "don't be afraid to walk"... It's a very common mistake to just keep pushing the pace during the easy days while you're supposed to be in a low HR zone. Keep the good interviews coming!
Great interview 👏😀! A good takeaway was the advice to know yourself and what training benefits you as an athlete rather than just blindly following a standard plan.
Great Interview! Thank you! Loved Killian's wisdom and humanity. Particular takeaways for me: - Learn about your own capacity and adapt your training to you. - Learn from your mistakes. Those are related but speak to me at the moment, as I'm still figuring what is best for me. I hope we will learn more about his blood samples during UTMB. I wonder if Killian does, or would, enjoy walking barefoot in nature, since he is so drawn by it to feel better. Walking on grass is incredibly grounding and calming.
With six months to go for my toughest 50k ultra run in the mountains with killer elevation, I finally got tempted to see this podcast and I was amazed by the experience and suggestions by Killian. There isn't one but are so many takeaways in this master piece but my favourite is towards the very end.. Forget the training and pace.. The weight of it and just remember why you're doing it because you're doing it to enjoy 😍❤️ I love it more because it resonates with my motto.. How much fun a running can be. Thank you Floris, love your efforts to bring such valuable sessions to us.. Much appreciated 😊🙏🏻
It was interesting to hear how he modified his race nutrition. Seems he is really listening to his body. And thanks for the piece on strength training. He sounds like a really functional strength trainer as he does many activities. Personally, my time in my home gym is like a haven and rejuvenates my reservoir. That said, his talk about skiing brings me back to snowboarding and the joy I used to get from doing it. I have to get back to snowboarding. Thanks for doing this again. He talks so normally and accessibly one could forget that he is the best of the best. Oh, good luck in Chicago!!!
Always impressed by Killian’s humility. Takeaway - just enjoy being in the mountains, listen to your body, train sensibly, be patient and concentrate on process rather than outcome.
Great interview - thanks! Incredible to hear he was likely racing Sierre Zinal whilst fighting Covid. Soo many great takeaways and my personal reinforcement is - 'it's like f' yeah it doesn't matter how you start, it doesn't matter the first half of the race'. I have a tendency to always start too fast (regardless of the distance) worried that otherwise I'll leave a lot of time on the course even though I usually struggle in the last 1/3... work in progress as even when I think I'm going slowly/easy I probably should still try to run even slower 😀
I really appreciated the answer about strength training: choose something you enjoy to compliment your running sessions and go for it! The fact of involving family or friends during training was amazing as well. Kind of: share your happy place with people who make you happy =)
I appreciate the interview with Killian, and I was both encouraged and challenged about his comments near the end of the video about enjoying the race because this is what you chose to do, and that it's all part of the process. I had a race shortly afterward and I kept reminding myself of these facts, and it made the race much more enjoyable because, even though I didn't do my best, I did the best that I could where I was at. I am more encouraged to keep going realizing that this process will pay off the next time.
I liked the most exactly this advice you have put at the beginning of the video. Being an amateur runner it's sometimes difficult to relate with elite sportsmen like Killian. To hear him giving such fundamental advice that can be applied literally to anyone who is into running is so reassuring. And on a side note, he has such a nice personality. 🙂
:D I often try to edit a few takeaways at the intros to give an idea of what the podcast is about. Totally agree it's nice to hear the relatable fundamental lessons by Kilian that apply to pretty much every athlete!
My biggest takeaway from this and the last conversation was patience. I’m planning on seriously getting into z2 training for the first time over the winter months and already feel like patience is going to be a keyword!
Perfect podcast Floris, I loved to hear that every trainig is a part of a jorney, even a race it is a part of our journey through our running life. As he metioned training at High Intensity must be only a bit compared to Low Intesity what I train as well. 80/20. All the best to you and your podcast. Stay strong and healty.
It's refreshing to hear him speak of listening to his body. If he doesn't feel like running, he doesn't. That coupled with the importance of sleep is crucial. Thanks for the interesting interview!
Wow! I really love how he said to not be afraid of walking. Some think that trail running is pure running, when in fact it is a balance of walking and running. Choose your battles wisely
Great point, many athletes can be hyper obsessed with the race day outcome only, vs looking at the bigger picture and seeing what things went well and what can be improved for the next training cycle.
Thanks Floris for another great conversation with Kilian. I'm actually a bit surprised to see how high his low intensity heart rate zones (AE and AP) are compared to the 'default' zones for someone of his age. Inspires me to take a lthr test and see if there's a deviation for myself as well. Interesting stuff!
Love his perspective to enjoy the training, and the racing, and be grateful that we get to do it. Thank you so much for another insightful conversation!
When you run trail or road, always be not afraid to walk. It is always okay to walk, and go a little bit hiking and eventually running will come. Always pleasure to hear the voice from the mountain goat, much appreciated. Kudos Floris.
Thank you for this great interview episode. My favourite quote is "it’s okay to walk, the running will come". Kilian's internal emotion of accepting slow and fast is very important when we are in the trail.
I love what KJ was saying about knowing your own physiology. So important for me not try to fit into someone’s model but train the way need to as a lower volume capacity athlete it a great reminder to be secure in what works for YOU. Thanks for hosting this convo ✌🏼
This conversation was soooooo interesting that it's difficult to choose the favorite takeaway. But I think I have two things that just stuck in my mind. The first one is related to anxiety and is that we can do simple things such as keeping away from all the busy places to not get soo stressed about everything, especially on race day and the days prior to that. And the second takeaway is that it is ok not to train with high intensity. I noticed that workouts focused on velocity make me feel a lot of tension in my legs and it is more difficult to recover from them. Is definitely something that I'm going to be more aware and talk about with my coach. Thank you very much for letting us listen the lessons that this great human being and running legend, Kilian Jornet, has to share 😊🏃♀️
I love this interview! The biggest takeaway for me was that the race and the result of the race should not be the focus; the result should just affirm the process or the training. That pulled me back to the question of why I run. It’s not to win races or check of the box of certain distances-it’s because I love to run! That really just brought me back to being a kid and suddenly bursting into a run just because I felt like it. Somehow that got buried inside me and I don’t seem to let it out anymore. With the love of running as the focus instead of the race result, I think I’ll enjoy the races more and perform better!
The take always here are that simplicity , nature and authentic introspection validate performance far more than convoluted commodified external interventions . You apparently can’t buy good form .
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Kilian adapts to whatever the situation throws at him and then he strategises his move based on this situation and his abilities at that moment. Pretty high level of self consciousness 🤩
How Kilian said 'don't be afraid of walking!" it's part of the sport of ultra and trail running. Forget about the pace, the distance and the time just have fun hiking or walking the mountain. this is why i love Kilian
Great interview, Floris! My favourite takaway: the head is as much important in running as are the legs! Kilian put a lot of thought and reasoning in every aspect of his training and races which makes him like a swiss knife tackling the situations that are thrown at him during running.
The main takeaway for me was to hear the GOAT Killian saying: "Know who you are... That should be the first question anyone needs to know to plan their training, pace, race strategy and so on"... it is so true... and we forget about it many times and just "copy and paste" some training plan from a website, or running club without really adapting to your own strengths and weakness. Thanks for another amazing interview with Killian, I liked the first one but this one is even better. Great content and preparation for these interviews Floris which are getting better and better
A great interview . My key take away is the simplicity of listening to your body. And you don't need the latest and expensive gear to take care of your body.
I appreciated him telling us how much time he spends in zone 1 and letting our fears guide us not deter us. "Energy management is more important than the shape" is possibly the best advice one can give to a runner or any athlete.
My favorite segment was hearing Kilian talk about race nerves especially once followed by the next section on race data.. He's such a relaxed guy with others but gave an insight into being strict with himself when he described nerves as a waste of energy so learning how to rationalize his way out of them. His bpm management during races is something he has obviously developed in 'easy' training but his ability to not burn all his matches, even over 100 miles +10,000m is unreal.
i like your question about failure setting you up for success, and Kilian's response that failure is just part of the process. if you aren't failing, you probably aren't trying hard enough or setting ambitious goals.
Favorite takeaway: Love the mental reset. Us normal humans, we all fight crazy demons and thoughts but to say "hey ..no ..focus up" is mighty powerful.
I loved both episodes! Thanks for such in-depth content :) My takeaway is to try to make strength and mobility training a funnier activity with other people, I like climbing but never considered it a way to train strength for running.
I like the part near the end where we are reminded that it’s OK to walk or hike during trail runs. You don’t have to burn yourself out charging up every hill!
Favorite takeaway : patience ! On any topic you talked about, he's very patient and takes time to think. Be it about UTMB debrief and his strategy, the way he trains, his failure analysis, etc... It's fascinating and very wise.
My big take away is that everything is individualized - there is no normal. The 🐐 does no zone 5 training?? Amazing. Makes me feel more confident maxing out 2 work outs a week in training blocks versus 3 because my body can’t take it
Favourite: learn what type you are and adjust your training acordingly. I was surprised when he talked about negative toughts at UTMB, especially part - "what I'm doing here, should I stop". He. :)
That was very low to me as well. A small percentage of people genetically requires less sleep than others, that being said, 6 hours is low in my eyes too for any athlete!
I guess I am in the low percentage too I can’t sleep more than 6 hours ,still feel pretty well my garmin usually has me at least 90% recharge overnight
very Interesting conversation, I am surprised to know that Mr Kilian is not taking any supplementary salt pills. Important take away is focus on the process
That was a bit of a surprise initially to me as well, that being said, he mentioned UTMB wasn't that hot for him this year, plus he is able to get some of this from his gels / powder / bars and other solid foods.
there is a simplicity to not bringing food or water on training rides. once you know youll be fine without them its freeing. of course not comparing myself to killian in any way. hes on to something tho
I’m really surprised that he doesn’t use any high tech recovery tools. He seems like he uses a lot of gadgets and technology in other aspects of his training. And even if they don’t provide a lot of benefit as compared to the basics of sleep and nutrition, even if they offer marginal advantages it would be worth his while.
Yes and no, I think his approach with natural movement, listening to the body, going outside and moving works very well for him. Probably also because he has been running and hiking for 31 years, since the age of 3 :D
he only sleeps 6 hours!?!?! Gosh I wish I had that type of system. My average is probably 8+, maybe 8:30. If I could get two more hours of training I'd probably be winning UTMB too (JK JK JK).
That blew my mind as well Taylor. I do think there are differences in genetic types re sleep, that a small percentage of people is able to get by on significantly less sleep than the rest of the population. I'm more of a 7.5 to 8.5 hours of sleep person too, especially with higher training volume, intensity and races in the mind. haha, good luck on that sleep / training experiment :)
@@FlorisGierman definitely something genetic. don't know all the research or science, but I've known people who could consistently get 5-6 hours and not suffer for it.
'Don't race the mountain' 🏔️ & 'at times you wonder why am I suffering this much?' - 'because I I have an healthy enough body to enjoy it' Enjoying your interviews from our little flat country.
@@FlorisGierman na lange hiatus/revalidatie door lelijk gebroken voet weer begonnen met sporten vorig jaar, voor de zomer begonnen met maf trainen, proberen weer fit te worden..Probeer te leren waar ik kan. Volgend jaar Madeira op de agenda :-)
This interview reveals two extremes. On one hand "weather too good not to go", "ride with the girls", "negative thoughts during the race" etc, show Kilian is just like everyone else. On the other hand you hear what puts him on a completely different level. And it isn't just physical gifts and mad training. He really is a student of every aspect of the game and his place in it. Mindset at the start line (adjusted for an ultra), in tune with his heart rate etc etc while running, testing at aid stations (not for use in the race, but rather for later study) etc. All wrapped up in so much humility. Elite in something quite specific, and yet so universally relatable at the same time. Almost, but not quite, completely normal. I guess that's what Nnormal is.
I have seen this episode twice and the entire show is a takeaway. This is gold information. I´ve never seen Kilian talking so clear and opened about his training and feelings. You nailed it Floris.
Hi Floris amazing to see this in depth insight into Kilian. For me the Dad who is obsessed with getting onto the trails but sometimes to the detriment of family time hearing Kilian say that strength training can be a fun activity maybe with the family was refreshing. I listened to a podcast on the subject today and 4 experts didn't come up with this suggestion...Brilliant
My favorite takeaway from this episode, was the fact that Kilian said to all trail runners to don't be afraid to walk, walking is part of mountain running. For me this was one of the biggest inspiration that I could have gotten.
Perfect, I'm so glad that he said this Csis. Good for athletes of all levels to hear.
I appreciated how much he encouraged us to listen to and trust our bodies, especially about output and recovery. His comment, “it’s okay to walk, the running will come.” Is always a good reminder.
I love that part as well. The consistency, joy in training and good recovery will make us a stronger athlete if we can be patient and zoom out far enough.
Phenomenal interview! I watched it because of Killian, but staying due to your talent as an interviewer Floris! So amazing to have someone interview and listen and not try to compete for the spotlight while their guest is speaking.
Of Killian's comments - a few stand out to me. His comments on adaptations - he has SO MUCH time in through his life where he has adapted. But also was quite interesting to listen to the part on anxiety - it's not what I hear from interviews about him much. He does seem to be very calm so often. How he manages it through lifestyle choices is quite interesting.
Also - all the comments on know yourself and enjoy the process. Not new messages, but ones that I always need reminders on.
Thank you both for a great discussion!
Best athlete interview I have ever seen. And with one of the best ever athletes. You really have a special gift Floris!
Wow, thank you Knut, that means a lot to me!
Thanks for hosting another information-laden interview with Kilian. My biggest takeaway is "learn who you are" to understand how to train, race, eat and recover. Kilian did a lot of self-experimentation and it's good that he reminds us to experiment ourselves too to learn what works and what doesn't work for each of us as different individuals.
Love this, very well said Luca!
This podcast is simply amazing. To me the best quote is: "Just do what you do because at the end of the day you love it, do not forget that" I am paraphrasing of course, but truly impactful phrase.
I really like to listen to Kilian Jornet and I would never think about to compare his abilities with mine. Thank you Kilian and Floris, you guys are a huge inpiration to us. ......Yes Floris, it was worth it absoulutely to mention you with Kilian in the same sentense. It's not easy to listen to potcasts for 90 minutes usually, but I can listen to you for hours. Your youtube channel is a big motivation getting up every morning to go for a run. All knowledge helps us not to fail at races. You are a pain-killer then isn't it? We are prepared going there because of you told us how to practise. Thank you
Awww wow, appreciate your kind words, that means a lot!
Thank you so much for a great interview! I also stopped drinking and don't miss it. 'Enjoy yourself ' - I tell my friends and family the same thing. Much appreciated. From South Africa.
Love it, well done on your health and running journey Derek. So important to enjoy yourself! Cheers
I loved Killian’s view on Failure: Always FOCUS on the PROCESS & not the OUTCOME or RESULT of a race. Focus on what you have learned & achieved personally through the process. Reflect on what worked, what didn’t, & HOW you can do better next time. Such terrific advice ❤️💕
For me a good lesson is when he coment about his negative thoughts during UTMB is something I've learn trough the years, try to keep away negative and take it easy, step by step until the end. Thanks for the interview is always very fun to listen kilian's experience!
Great point Javier!
"Focus on the process" and "forget the pace" are muy fauvorites takeaways. Great interview
The whole interview contains so many valuable lessons, thanks fo that! If I had to choose, my favorite lesson would be "not to be obsessed with the result, but to try to see whats been good, whats been bad and how you can do better next time" :)
Great interview Floris, and so many thoughtful answers from Kilian. I liked his comments on energy management, especially the importance of being calm at the start of the race. At UTMB with all the noise and hype and excitement at the start-line it's easy to see how it could be an energy drain.
Spot on takeaway Steve, energy management is so key. He mentioned in the first interview something about energy as well, with life / work stress, this was a great addition to that point on race day.
My favourite takeaway also relates to the concept of failure. Especially where he mentioned to change the way we think about failure because as he said if all goes well then we only know that everything was good. However, when we fail then we can actually analyse what went wrong and improve. A lot of times I am afraid of failure and then won't go for something and "play safe" but end up learning a lot less or even nothing. Amazing to learn from Killian's experience and wisdom!
Learning from our failures is indeed super valuable, great takeaways!
"Failure is it's there all the time and it's important... That is the way you grow as an athlete and as a person".
Seeking failure is just pushing yourself seen through another lens and probably part of the reason many people get into running slightly silly distances (whatever that means to you).
I love how many times Kilian points out that you cannot just take another persons approach to these challenges / training, you have to keep failing to learn what works for you!
It's so touching and interesting to hear how he progressively learnt to deal with anxiety, thank's for the sincerity !
Yes it really is, I found that part touching as well!
I really enjoyed listening to the interview again and I must say that listening to Kilian stops me breathing at times hahahaha.....Very interesting hearing him and sharing all his experiences. Definitely inspiring! For me listening to him and trying to pick one of the most important thing, topic or take a way is impossible! It's like asking me which Metallica's track is your favourite. Impossible! If I love doing something, love it with your heart and give it all you have.
.....failures are more important than any success in terms of learning. So let it be the take away. I supposed to run Tamadaba trail marathon this morning but instead seating on the sofa, recovering and watching/listening to the basics by Kilian. Hahahaha.
Thumbs up for your podcast Floris. Greetings from Gran Canaria
Liked hearing Kilian say : " Train well but never to exhaustion. Save your best for race day".
And also " Focus on the process not so much the result. There will be failures, learn from them ".
I find this difficult, and i tend to beat myself up when races dont go to plan, but for the last 2,5 years i have been highly motivated, listening to my body, when i doubt skipping the hard session, and being able to string along this long period of 5 to 6 runs per week Without Injuries, mainly by finding joy and fun in today's run.
Love these takeaways Stef! I can totally relate, it’s challenging not to beat yourself up when a race doesn’t go according to plan but these are indeed good experiences to learn from too. Glad you are now able to run injury free and enjoy the process! 👍👍
The takeaway, good racing validates good training. I appreciate the deep dive into all the different facets of Kilian's journey to UTMB victory, his mindset, and holistic approach to the community. Thank you both!
Glad it was helpful Linda!
Wow great interview. It is so easy to listen to Kilian. I love his philosophy of keeping it simple; Sleep and nutrition; no fancy and costly tools required for recovery.
Absolutely agree, glad you enjoyed this conversation John, great takeaways!
Another awesome episode. My favorite takeaway from this one is "don't be afraid to walk"... It's a very common mistake to just keep pushing the pace during the easy days while you're supposed to be in a low HR zone. Keep the good interviews coming!
Great interview 👏😀! A good takeaway was the advice to know yourself and what training benefits you as an athlete rather than just blindly following a standard plan.
So true Jennifer!!
The most valuable lesson ''Try to understand who you are '' !!!
Great Interview! Thank you!
Loved Killian's wisdom and humanity. Particular takeaways for me:
- Learn about your own capacity and adapt your training to you.
- Learn from your mistakes.
Those are related but speak to me at the moment, as I'm still figuring what is best for me.
I hope we will learn more about his blood samples during UTMB.
I wonder if Killian does, or would, enjoy walking barefoot in nature, since he is so drawn by it to feel better. Walking on grass is incredibly grounding and calming.
Great takeaways right there Eric and nice additional topics to explore further at some points with Kilian as well. 🙌 🙏
With six months to go for my toughest 50k ultra run in the mountains with killer elevation, I finally got tempted to see this podcast and I was amazed by the experience and suggestions by Killian. There isn't one but are so many takeaways in this master piece but my favourite is towards the very end.. Forget the training and pace.. The weight of it and just remember why you're doing it because you're doing it to enjoy 😍❤️ I love it more because it resonates with my motto.. How much fun a running can be.
Thank you Floris, love your efforts to bring such valuable sessions to us.. Much appreciated 😊🙏🏻
It was interesting to hear how he modified his race nutrition. Seems he is really listening to his body.
And thanks for the piece on strength training. He sounds like a really functional strength trainer as he does many activities. Personally, my time in my home gym is like a haven and rejuvenates my reservoir. That said, his talk about skiing brings me back to snowboarding and the joy I used to get from doing it. I have to get back to snowboarding.
Thanks for doing this again. He talks so normally and accessibly one could forget that he is the best of the best.
Oh, good luck in Chicago!!!
The race day nutrition and strength topics were definitely spot on. Fully agree, the goat is super down to earth. Thanks Wayne!
Always impressed by Killian’s humility. Takeaway - just enjoy being in the mountains, listen to your body, train sensibly, be patient and concentrate on process rather than outcome.
That summarizes it very well Paul, great takeaways! Thanks for sharing
Great interview - thanks! Incredible to hear he was likely racing Sierre Zinal whilst fighting Covid.
Soo many great takeaways and my personal reinforcement is - 'it's like f' yeah it doesn't matter how you start, it doesn't matter the first half of the race'. I have a tendency to always start too fast (regardless of the distance) worried that otherwise I'll leave a lot of time on the course even though I usually struggle in the last 1/3... work in progress as even when I think I'm going slowly/easy I probably should still try to run even slower 😀
Yes so nuts he raced like that at Sierra Zinal! slow down to speed up is real in training and racing!
I really appreciated the answer about strength training: choose something you enjoy to compliment your running sessions and go for it! The fact of involving family or friends during training was amazing as well. Kind of: share your happy place with people who make you happy =)
Well said Elisabeth, I loved that takeaway as well!
I appreciate the interview with Killian, and I was both encouraged and challenged about his comments near the end of the video about enjoying the race because this is what you chose to do, and that it's all part of the process. I had a race shortly afterward and I kept reminding myself of these facts, and it made the race much more enjoyable because, even though I didn't do my best, I did the best that I could where I was at. I am more encouraged to keep going realizing that this process will pay off the next time.
What i appreciatted was as how he shows the simplicity in every aspects of his life.
Yes he totally does, spot on João!
I liked the most exactly this advice you have put at the beginning of the video. Being an amateur runner it's sometimes difficult to relate with elite sportsmen like Killian. To hear him giving such fundamental advice that can be applied literally to anyone who is into running is so reassuring. And on a side note, he has such a nice personality. 🙂
:D I often try to edit a few takeaways at the intros to give an idea of what the podcast is about. Totally agree it's nice to hear the relatable fundamental lessons by Kilian that apply to pretty much every athlete!
My biggest takeaway from this and the last conversation was patience. I’m planning on seriously getting into z2 training for the first time over the winter months and already feel like patience is going to be a keyword!
👌 perfect takeaway right there Chris!
Perfect podcast Floris, I loved to hear that every trainig is a part of a jorney, even a race it is a part of our journey through our running life. As he metioned training at High Intensity must be only a bit compared to Low Intesity what I train as well. 80/20. All the best to you and your podcast. Stay strong and healty.
It's refreshing to hear him speak of listening to his body. If he doesn't feel like running, he doesn't. That coupled with the importance of sleep is crucial. Thanks for the interesting interview!
Wow! I really love how he said to not be afraid of walking. Some think that trail running is pure running, when in fact it is a balance of walking and running. Choose your battles wisely
Exactly, time on feet is key, walking is also training :D
"Don't focus on the outcome, but the process" is my takeaway quote from this episode!
Everybody says that now, but what happens when the outcome doesn't produce the result that the process predicted?
Great point, many athletes can be hyper obsessed with the race day outcome only, vs looking at the bigger picture and seeing what things went well and what can be improved for the next training cycle.
Understanding who you are is the key point to the success, truly ❤️ as an average person is illusive and does not exist ❤️
Love that Kate, well said!
Thank you, Kilian, for sharing your experience and insight into your physiology and psychology during and after the race. Much appreciated 🙂
Thanks Floris for another great conversation with Kilian. I'm actually a bit surprised to see how high his low intensity heart rate zones (AE and AP) are compared to the 'default' zones for someone of his age. Inspires me to take a lthr test and see if there's a deviation for myself as well. Interesting stuff!
Love his perspective to enjoy the training, and the racing, and be grateful that we get to do it. Thank you so much for another insightful conversation!
Such a good daily reminder right there Amelia! Thank you for everything you do for the PB program and running community 🙌 🙏
When you run trail or road, always be not afraid to walk. It is always okay to walk, and go a little bit hiking and eventually running will come.
Always pleasure to hear the voice from the mountain goat, much appreciated.
Kudos Floris.
Totally Lemlem, walking can also be training! 👍
I like the way Killian encourages to enjoy running. Does not always have to pressure even in the training. Good podcast!
So true Jim! Important daily reminder for us 🙌 🙏
I liked that he said that we need to enjoy training and that is what I aim for lately
Spot on Laszlo, enjoy the training, allows you to train consistent and the progress will follow!
Thank you for this great interview episode. My favourite quote is "it’s okay to walk, the running will come". Kilian's internal emotion of accepting slow and fast is very important when we are in the trail.
The intensity discipline that Kilian, Kipchoge and Dr Seiler talked about in recent episodes is definitely a great take away! 👍👍
Appreciated his comment that as the running/race season progresses, our recovery needs change too... Honestly didn't even think about that😬
Yes the way he formulated that was spot on! 👍
I love what KJ was saying about knowing your own physiology. So important for me not try to fit into someone’s model but train the way need to as a lower volume capacity athlete it a great reminder to be secure in what works for YOU.
Thanks for hosting this convo ✌🏼
Love that takeaway as well Sean, spot on!
So awesome. Love how down to earth Killian is and how practical his training tips are for runners of all levels. Great job.
Couldn't agree more Michael!
This conversation was soooooo interesting that it's difficult to choose the favorite takeaway. But I think I have two things that just stuck in my mind. The first one is related to anxiety and is that we can do simple things such as keeping away from all the busy places to not get soo stressed about everything, especially on race day and the days prior to that.
And the second takeaway is that it is ok not to train with high intensity. I noticed that workouts focused on velocity make me feel a lot of tension in my legs and it is more difficult to recover from them. Is definitely something that I'm going to be more aware and talk about with my coach.
Thank you very much for letting us listen the lessons that this great human being and running legend, Kilian Jornet, has to share 😊🏃♀️
Two great takeaways right there Eduarda, glad you enjoyed this conversation! 🙌 🙏 👍
Just found your page Floris. love it. great interview.
I love this interview! The biggest takeaway for me was that the race and the result of the race should not be the focus; the result should just affirm the process or the training. That pulled me back to the question of why I run. It’s not to win races or check of the box of certain distances-it’s because I love to run! That really just brought me back to being a kid and suddenly bursting into a run just because I felt like it. Somehow that got buried inside me and I don’t seem to let it out anymore. With the love of running as the focus instead of the race result, I think I’ll enjoy the races more and perform better!
The take always here are that simplicity , nature and authentic introspection validate performance far more than convoluted commodified external interventions . You apparently can’t buy good form .
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Kilian adapts to whatever the situation throws at him and then he strategises his move based on this situation and his abilities at that moment. Pretty high level of self consciousness 🤩
How Kilian said 'don't be afraid of walking!" it's part of the sport of ultra and trail running. Forget about the pace, the distance and the time just have fun hiking or walking the mountain. this is why i love Kilian
Great interview, Floris! My favourite takaway: the head is as much important in running as are the legs! Kilian put a lot of thought and reasoning in every aspect of his training and races which makes him like a swiss knife tackling the situations that are thrown at him during running.
The main takeaway for me was to hear the GOAT Killian saying: "Know who you are... That should be the first question anyone needs to know to plan their training, pace, race strategy and so on"... it is so true... and we forget about it many times and just "copy and paste" some training plan from a website, or running club without really adapting to your own strengths and weakness. Thanks for another amazing interview with Killian, I liked the first one but this one is even better. Great content and preparation for these interviews Floris which are getting better and better
My favorite takeaway is "don't be afraid of walking. It's ok to walk and hike!" This is a great podcast. Thank you for hosting it.
Sleep is so important!! I like the way everything looks easy and simple!! This guy is amazing!
YES! Sleep is such an important part of training. Agreed, Kilian rules
A great interview . My key take away is the simplicity of listening to your body. And you don't need the latest and expensive gear to take care of your body.
Spot on Michael!
I appreciated him telling us how much time he spends in zone 1 and letting our fears guide us not deter us. "Energy management is more important than the shape" is possibly the best advice one can give to a runner or any athlete.
100% agree Keith!
Great interview! I should take the advice seriously to be not afraid of walking the hills.
Great interview, thanks to both of you! Everything was important.....
:D Glad to hear that Blagoj!
Great interview! I found the most interesting part was talking about nutrition during utmb - it's amazing how he doesn't eat for 6 hours training!
My favorite segment was hearing Kilian talk about race nerves especially once followed by the next section on race data.. He's such a relaxed guy with others but gave an insight into being strict with himself when he described nerves as a waste of energy so learning how to rationalize his way out of them. His bpm management during races is something he has obviously developed in 'easy' training but his ability to not burn all his matches, even over 100 miles +10,000m is unreal.
Very well said Khaalid!
Nice interview! Cheap recovery methods: sleep, no stress at all and good food. Nice advice :)
The basics are often overlooked, even when it comes to recovery. Glad you enjoyed it Krisium89!
@@FlorisGierman Thank you for such a good content. It’s nice to see how Kilian feels confortable during the interview. You won a new suscriber! :)
Another great interview. Thanks, Floris. Thanks, Kilian.
Thanks so much Ding Dong!
Having Kilian here is always great but YOU make it awesome. Congratulations. As a takeaway, I choose the entire talk. Is that possible? :)
i like your question about failure setting you up for success, and Kilian's response that failure is just part of the process. if you aren't failing, you probably aren't trying hard enough or setting ambitious goals.
Very well said Taylor. Totally in line with what Kipchoge is about as well, lots of similarities between those too.
I liked when he spoke about patience and getting a good adaptation to the training Great interview!
Patience and a long term view is definitely key 👍👍
My favourite athlete
Favorite takeaway: Love the mental reset. Us normal humans, we all fight crazy demons and thoughts but to say "hey ..no ..focus up" is mighty powerful.
Super powerful indeed, fully agree Greg!
Kilian says I can walk 🙂. Awesome.
I loved both episodes! Thanks for such in-depth content :) My takeaway is to try to make strength and mobility training a funnier activity with other people, I like climbing but never considered it a way to train strength for running.
Climbing is indeed such a great way to add strength and mobility! Glad you enjoyed both episodes Gerard!
His comment about recovery is definitely my favorite, also applicable to other areas of training...
Totally Pedro!!
The more important lesson for me is his strength and constancy in what he does, this is what makes him a true hero
True hero in many ways indeed! Great lessons
I like the part near the end where we are reminded that it’s OK to walk or hike during trail runs. You don’t have to burn yourself out charging up every hill!
@ Floris: unbelievable Motivation for Trailrunners who starts this beautiful sport- Mile Grazie, Thanks, Obrigado, Danke!!
00:38 "Forget about like.. pace."
57:50 "We put a lot of weight on what we are doing ... at the end of the day, we are doing that because we love it."
Love that! Time on feet vs pace is such a good way to reframe your training runs
We need remember again in the and of the day we are doing that because we are loved ♡ That's the most important don't forget!
Loooove that line, important reminder for all of us in training and on race day!
favourite takeaway - don't be afraid of walking and take it easy during training 🥰
YES YES and YES!
Nice video my friend👍👍
Favorite tip: Don't train to exhaustion...leave something in the tank.
That's a great takeaway right there, being able to train again the next day. Cheers! 👍
Favorite takeaway : patience ! On any topic you talked about, he's very patient and takes time to think. Be it about UTMB debrief and his strategy, the way he trains, his failure analysis, etc... It's fascinating and very wise.
He is definitely the perfect example of what patience and a long term vision, with plenty of analysis can accomplish.
My big take away is that everything is individualized - there is no normal. The 🐐 does no zone 5 training?? Amazing. Makes me feel more confident maxing out 2 work outs a week in training blocks versus 3 because my body can’t take it
Eye opening indeed! Important to find that balance of what the body can take in the long term. Cheers!
Favourite: learn what type you are and adjust your training acordingly.
I was surprised when he talked about negative toughts at UTMB, especially part - "what I'm doing here, should I stop". He. :)
haha, yes even the most elites experience these thoughts and have to find ways to overwrite them!
6 hours of sleep!! that was an eye opener, but yeah if you can wake up without an alarm like that more power to you!
That was very low to me as well. A small percentage of people genetically requires less sleep than others, that being said, 6 hours is low in my eyes too for any athlete!
That surprised me as well. I‘m no real athlete and still need my eight hours every night to feel good! Different body, different needs!
I guess I am in the low percentage too I can’t sleep more than 6 hours ,still feel pretty well my garmin usually has me at least 90% recharge overnight
Main takeaway from the data and podcast is to run even easier than zone 2/maf. I need to take it much easier sometimes
Great takeaway right there Ryan!
Floris, the link to Athlete Climate Academy is actually a repeated link to the Recovery Quadrant.
Great catch, thanks Ding Dong. Just updated it. Plus here is the link also: www.anturus.co.uk/athleteclimateacademy
very Interesting conversation, I am surprised to know that Mr Kilian is not taking any supplementary salt pills.
Important take away is focus on the process
That was a bit of a surprise initially to me as well, that being said, he mentioned UTMB wasn't that hot for him this year, plus he is able to get some of this from his gels / powder / bars and other solid foods.
main takeaway for me is to listen to your own body and find what works for me
Super important takeaway right there Bogdan!
Lesson “Don’t train till exhaustion “
forget about the pace. if it goes wrong we still doing something we love =)
:D
Takeaway: even the goat says on easy days don't focus on pace and don't be afraid of walking.
That's it Edwin, spot on takeaway!
Enjoy the easy part of your training.
YESS!!
You don't have to race the mountain! And avoid zone 5 in training. Now I have permission to take it easy when I'm feeling it.
Great takeaways!!
there is a simplicity to not bringing food or water on training rides. once you know youll be fine without them its freeing. of course not comparing myself to killian in any way. hes on to something tho
He did use Compex for recovery in the past. Maybe not anymore..
I'm sure he has experimented with a variety of different things but overall seems to focus on the fundamentals mostly
I’m really surprised that he doesn’t use any high tech recovery tools. He seems like he uses a lot of gadgets and technology in other aspects of his training. And even if they don’t provide a lot of benefit as compared to the basics of sleep and nutrition, even if they offer marginal advantages it would be worth his while.
Yes and no, I think his approach with natural movement, listening to the body, going outside and moving works very well for him. Probably also because he has been running and hiking for 31 years, since the age of 3 :D
Walk when you don't have it on tired days
Spot on, walk or rest are powerful tools!
he only sleeps 6 hours!?!?! Gosh I wish I had that type of system. My average is probably 8+, maybe 8:30. If I could get two more hours of training I'd probably be winning UTMB too (JK JK JK).
That blew my mind as well Taylor. I do think there are differences in genetic types re sleep, that a small percentage of people is able to get by on significantly less sleep than the rest of the population. I'm more of a 7.5 to 8.5 hours of sleep person too, especially with higher training volume, intensity and races in the mind. haha, good luck on that sleep / training experiment :)
@@FlorisGierman definitely something genetic. don't know all the research or science, but I've known people who could consistently get 5-6 hours and not suffer for it.
Read: "why we sleep"
@@beautoxt3482 is that a book? can you summarize the point you think I'd benefit from learning from it?
@@beautoxt3482 great book by Matthew Walker's points, especially eye opening about short term and long term health impact of lack of sleep.
'Don't race the mountain' 🏔️ & 'at times you wonder why am I suffering this much?' - 'because I I have an healthy enough body to enjoy it'
Enjoying your interviews from our little flat country.
Spot on takeaway right there Sander! Mooi om te horen dat je deze interviews leuk vindt! Groetjes
@@FlorisGierman na lange hiatus/revalidatie door lelijk gebroken voet weer begonnen met sporten vorig jaar, voor de zomer begonnen met maf trainen, proberen weer fit te worden..Probeer te leren waar ik kan. Volgend jaar Madeira op de agenda :-)
This interview reveals two extremes. On one hand "weather too good not to go", "ride with the girls", "negative thoughts during the race" etc, show Kilian is just like everyone else.
On the other hand you hear what puts him on a completely different level. And it isn't just physical gifts and mad training. He really is a student of every aspect of the game and his place in it. Mindset at the start line (adjusted for an ultra), in tune with his heart rate etc etc while running, testing at aid stations (not for use in the race, but rather for later study) etc.
All wrapped up in so much humility. Elite in something quite specific, and yet so universally relatable at the same time.
Almost, but not quite, completely normal. I guess that's what Nnormal is.
So well said Paul, two extremes that come together beautifully.
I have seen this episode twice and the entire show is a takeaway. This is gold information. I´ve never seen Kilian talking so clear and opened about his training and feelings. You nailed it Floris.
Hi Floris amazing to see this in depth insight into Kilian. For me the Dad who is obsessed with getting onto the trails but sometimes to the detriment of family time hearing Kilian say that strength training can be a fun activity maybe with the family was refreshing. I listened to a podcast on the subject today and 4 experts didn't come up with this suggestion...Brilliant