Job was a real man. God has given me the same experience. I have been stripped of Everything ..until I Come Face to Face..with God. And I Know that HE is My ONLY PROVIDER! Exactly what Job learned.
Bryan Roney Yes! I have known Jesus since I was six years old..learned His commandments at eight years old..And have Always wanted to Do the Right thing.
If Job was a real man who was the witness to the conversation between Satan and God concerning the bet between them both. There must have been a witness to the deal they made together "God and Satan" to make Job suffer, in order to put it in writing.
This is one of the main reasons why Jesus said, "Search the scriptures." We assumed that Job was a 'myth.' If we learned how to read the scriptures thoroearly, then we would know if Job was a myth or not. This is one of the best teachings on job I ever heard. I'm very blessed!
Amen and AMEN!!! I have heard it argued vehemently by fellow pastors who are adamant that Job was fictional. Considering the spiritual significance of the book of Job, it seems like only one being would profit if believers thought that the records of Job were fictional. Brothers and sisters, be Bereans, read your Bibles and when people try to bring doubt upon the integrity of scripture, “let God be true but every man a liar” (Romans 3:4)
I've been wresting with this question since a discussion in a class I was taking at my church. One of my fellow students brought up this idea Job might not be a real person. The pastor/teacher said he'd heard that and left it up to interpretation.This really bothered me so I really appreciate this well thoughtout explanation.
In Job 10, Job began comparing God to a man of flesh, we have the tendency to do this with the Bible, everything within the Bible is true, because it is not a man made book, It is a historical book based on factual information from the one true God. There is a lot of truth to the word of God and saying that Job is a myth, is like saying that the Bible is not true. The Bible is above us and we are below it. We can never say that the stories of the Bible are not true because the Bible never contradicts itself, it always stands firm to it's roots, everything leading to the scope of Jesus dying for our sins, and therefore, having eternal life in Christ. If a church is displaying anything other than the truth, and saying that Job is a myth, they are a false teacher, and you need to flee from that church. Stand firm on the word of truth and know that it is from God. Do not let this world decieve you!!
Its crazy to hear that a pastor can tell his congregation that job is a made up person. That surely makes God just like any one of us. Giving a moral story to convince. Absurd. Might as well just take the whole book as a book of moral studies. Sad. Very sad
I've just discovered that have I leaned towards a critical inclination about the book of Job. I have to accepted it as a divine inspired parable. I saw nothing wrong in doing so. I must change.
Nobody can be saved by their own righteousness except Christ, who thus needed no salvation, and rather their faith is counted to them as salvific, just like anyone else with faith.
Ilya Yuriy Donskikh i was referring to o.t. script about Noah, Daniel and Job and not bringing times of old, pre CHRIST into the same time frame of all the generations of the gentiles for the last 2000+ years. And the Grace that was accorded at HIS Death And Resurrection .
@@afraidknotelfa5998 Good morning. Ilya is correct. I get what you were trying to say though. Almighty God credited righteousness to Abraham, He said Job righteous but needed to be humbled because of his moralistic ways, Noah walked with God, Enoch walked with God. Notice that when referring to Job it doesn't say he walked with God.. think about that.
Rey Rosalez Noah had pure RNA/DNA and he obviously heard FATHERGOD'S VOICE. Back in 03-07 when i was involved in a deep and intensive research and study, we looked into Noah's life a lot. We did not see the level of real wickedness and the rise of the beast system. I see it now, in all the ways its leached. Back then , Noah lived 930 years. It was 70 years short of 1000. If we look at the bible as the time piece also that it is ... and reach back in time to see in plain sight, the Psalms was a book of 5 . Calculate quite quickly: 66 book in bible -1 book of Psalms = 65 + 5 = 70 Shem, Ham, and Japheth also give great insight to the #3 Anyway the curve of time that is being manipulated by man's advesary has used power to make Noah's Life a fifty. It now all says 950. Scary lies to give a taste of FATHERS PRECISION, the synagog of satan is going to use it for a jubilee effect somehow, in the web of their deception.
@@afraidknotelfa5998 Good morning Elizabeth. Well thats a lot to ponder this morning. I admire your dedication in researching Gods word. In reading your answer I also wanted to remind you that sometimes the adversary satan himself will use forums like this or put people or groups in our lives ( sometimes even churches) to distract true followers of Christ Jesus. These distractions can and will pull us away from whats truly truly important, the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ and what He alone is telling us. Ponder on that for a bit Elizabeth. God Bless you.
James 5:11 We count those blessed who endured. You have heard of the endurance of Job and have seen the outcome of the Lord's dealings, that the Lord is full of compassion and is merciful.
Why would job not be real? The things that happened to job are tame compared to other accounts in the Bible. I struggle more with forgiveness for enemies then the story of job lol. Pretty sure job is a real dude. Keep in mind job is one the few dudes God showed up and talk to DIRECTLY!!! Job is an og triple og.
A strong argument can be made that Job is fictional or at least the story is dramatized. To say that a reason to leave the church is the pastor saying Job is fictional is unhelpful
Pastor I'm a born-again Believer, Jesus Christ is my Lord and my Saviour, I go to church and I give tithes and offerings. I thank God that it is written in Romans chapter 8:1 "there is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus." For several years now I have been asking God for his wisdom for me to receive his provision and for restoration so that I may recover all. In 1 Samuel 30:18 it is written, "David recovered all." I have been asking God every day for his wisdom for me to receive his provision, for me to recover all and for me to clearly see that He is helping me. I am in a better Covenant than David, with better promises, so where am I missing it?
Job was real as you are. One of his three friends was Eliphaz the Temanite, Esau's son. Genesis 36:15. So from that you can determine about when it was written, which would have been after Job died, who lived 140 years. Elihu the son of Barachel the Buzite penned the book of Job. Job 32:16 strongly indicates this.
Fuller seminary experience: "During my five quarters at Fuller, I have had professors who defied the trustworthiness of Scripture, questioned the literalness and existence of eternal hell/lake of fire, taught a form of theistic evolution over the six-day creation account established in the book of Genesis, hinted that Jesus may not be the only way to heaven, and shaped the gospel message and Jesus’ work on Calvary to make it fit the paradigm of a cultural mandate and social justice type of message instead of the orthodox view of what the gospel and the cross means, which is God’s punishment of sinners with eternal hell, Jesus’ sacrifice and atonement to satisfy God’s justice and wrath, Jesus’ imputed righteousness, salvation by faith in Christ alone, etc." - Steve Cha from his experience at Fuller seminary Another brother's experience: During his first class he was taught that there are many historical errors in the book of Acts.
Job has always been the biggest place of struggle for me I still dont understand why God gave power to Satan over Jobs life. What was he trying to prove or do?
It answers many questions that Christians pose today. 1) Satan can't read minds or see the future, he bet that Job would curse God but Job remained faithful. 2) God is in complete control over good and evil 3) Friends will give you bad advise, trust God 4) Family members will die, trust God 5) You may lose your possessions and livelihood or job, trust God 6) You may suffer bad health, trust God 7) Trust God no matter what
I believe Job is a complete allegory. Because the adversary in the OT is the evil spirit of the Lord and also described as mans carnal nature. The adversary does not have free will so whatever happens in our life has to be approved by God himself or is caused by our freewill which Yhwh will not interfere with unless he tries to guide us by our conscience which we over ride constantly.
Elihu !!!!! a similitude of Christ Jesus or a Christophany?? I love the book of Job! i have read it 3 times fully and countless times not fully. Our Lord Jesus Christ has spoken to me threw this book in 3 different ways! Its wonderful ! Its the truth because its Gods word, for He is the Word. Is Job a real person? Absolutely! Not because Pipper says so. Because I believe so !
I would say it doesn't matter. Everything analogous demonstrated in the story of Job, should be taken as factually true and applied accordingly. Okay, now I'll listen to your answer. :) Edit: When I say it doesn't matter, I only mean that it wouldn't invalidate Biblical teaching on Job. I don't think there is any reason to believe he was fiction.
@@dannyboyz7061 I dont think so. God in the Bible only uses analogy in form of parables, and the parables never talk about God directly as a character of the parable (only indirectly with a character representing God or something God did or does). I think that is because something God would do is something that He already did.
I'm going to be honest, I also entertained the thought once that Job may be fictitious. But dismissed it as: "I don't know enough to make that assumption". I think that was rather a safe dismissal. I also think one might have to apply the same type of thinking in other parts of the Bible where topics are discussed that seem strange, so that one might not be led into heretical teachings, but rather listen to other teachers' opinions for insight on the subject.
Edrich Horn i think its always 100% safe to believe the bible just as it is. Its always the “great” human mind or evil making us think otherwise about bible. Just becuz it doesnt make sense or vague, doesnt mean that its fiction or impossible. Its the works and words of God almighty. How dare we bring it down to our eye level of thinking and assume things.
@@dailylifeofanything399 I agree fully with you, but learning to understand the Bible just as it is, is a hard thing to do sometimes. Even though His Spirit indwells our hearts, revealing the Word of God to us as we read, I still find it challenging at times. It is then that I ponder the Word of God, because I know that I do not know. Going to teachers for advice, in my mind, is a good thing. I long to understand more of the Word of God and find more insight of God. I know it is wrong to pervert the Word of God by our level of thinking, but sometimes it's tempting. In no means am I saying we should assume things we do not know enough about.
@@EdrichHorn I agree. If we didn't have questions and ponderings and even doubts we wouldn't be humble. We wouldn't be seeking out answers from Pastor John Piper and other teachers. Even the Pslams speak of questions and doubts. John the Baptist sent questions of doubt by way of his followers to Jesus asking was He really the One. It's what we do with our doubts. You are so true in everything you said. And you address your temptation thoughts biblically even if the thoughts themselves aren't biblical. It shows your humility and it shows discipline to go against the flesh and continue to seek God.
+Rey Rosalez.. You are Right. Us bible people know Job..but he probably does not. Anyway..maybe..it was Job's job to Learn that God is Our Provider! We give ourselves too much credit for our successes!
I believe it was a fictitious person that God used to teach a lesson as there are many reasons why this is true. Because Satan is not a being that talks with God. The adversary is mans carnal nature. The whole bible is full of all types of hebrew forms of literature to teach a truth. Personification being just one of many. Metaphor, allegory, parable, simile, idiom, apocalyptic language, etc. Although literal events and persons did happen as told. You must be able to decipher the hidden messages as Paul explains one allegory at the end of Galations 4 referring to the bond woman and free woman.
@@kingmambabryant_2473 its true. When you start seeing the metaphor in scripture it all makes sense. And the type or shadow is the OT. Jesus Christ is metaphor for Israel both elect and freewill believers. All Are the lamb of sacrifice. We must all crucify our carnal man then we rise to new spiritual life. Its ALL metaphor. Were some of these people real, yes, someone had to write the story. Which on top of that was corrupted by Rome with her pagan doctrines. Its hard to figure out without Gods help. But if we pray and ask for guidance and for our spiritual eyes to be opened and mean it, he will. He did for me. He wants to show us the truth but just like parables, its hidden within the scriptures and is only found by those who truly seek and use the tools he gave us. Establish truth by 2 or 3 witnesses (that match each other), line upon line precept upon prect. Study to show ourselves approved rightly dividing the word of truth (from inserted lies). As Jer 8.8 warned of the lying pen of the scribe to deceive. When you find the pearl of great value, its rivers of living water and inner peace and joy that no one can take away. :)
@@RoseSharon7777 disagree about what you said on jesus because he is Yahweh transform into human from Roman Catholic teaching but thanks for sharing, we all have different perspective about it.. I really relate about your own understanding of the bible that although some are historical and some are myth, it was all inspired by god and reveal the truth and nature of him, faith and morals.
Its good to read the Present with Religion, a book available for free on the internet.The book is about the truth of life and it shows the full picture of life for the first time so that you may stop being deceived by the world and be able to follow the steps of Jesus and other prophets to Heaven.Knowing the truth is the key factor in our salvation.We must know the truth and live in it and change ourselves according to it in order to be saved.There is no other way to our salvation.With the knowlege of the truth there comes true repentance which means changing our minds and also true obediance to God' s law and finally our sanctification which is a lifelong process.And God in His mercy will give us His wonderful grace which is the time and ability to make the proper change.Only in this way will we be able to attain our eternal salvation.Now is the time of our salvation.We cannot lose this brief and unique opportunity.Lets not wait any longer.
Bianconero 1792 No way to know. The gospels fall into the same category. No one knows the author of any of the four. It certainly wasn’t Matthew ,mark,Luke, or John. Those were written hundreds of years after the fact.
Mr. C No you are absolutely incorrect. Do your research and find that there were eye witnesses meaning the apostles to the fact. That’s what makes the gospels so unique. They saw the risen Lord and proof of this was their recorded martyrdom.
I think Moses wrote it. Because the bible books are not in chronological order. Or perhaps the 4th friend of Job's. He isn't mentioned a lot. He speaks up only briefly during Job's situation. He was younger than the other friends. Maybe he wrote it down. Just because we don't know the author it doesn't mean it didn't happen or that the author didn't exist. Those are my two I am guessing at. I'll find out for sure in heaven.
The Holy Bible is alive! it is the breathed word of God Almighty! 66 books many writers and 1 Author, The Alpha and The Omega, The Holy One God Almighty!! Amen !
Many books were not added to the old testament because they were seen as fictions. But Job was a real person,if not who wrote the book? . It couldn't have been In the Bible till today. Some speak in ignorance and some are enemies... crept in UNAWARE.
Every biblical scholar from the secularist/humanists to the most literal reformed are pretty much in consensus. If you understand how the Bible is written, the patterns throughout etc., you would KNOW the book is an allegory. Ooofffff what a bad bad take from this Pastor.
@@reyrosalez4701 I noticed you didn't mention any. I have looked. I've found nothing, which is odd considering the book fo Daniel has him as the third in command of the kingdom so one would think he would be mentioned somewhere. If you know of any historical evidence pointing to Daniel I'm willing to listen.
According to semiticists and ANE literature scholars, assyriologists/egyptologists, etc The whole story reads like an epic for wisdom and parallels a lot of ANE literature. The writing is disputed to be written anywhere before Moses to second temple. So it’s actually very unlikely Job is an actual person but an archetype. This also applies to Jonah. Moreover to the fact that people cite that Ezekiel mentions Job doesn’t really amount to much since its archetypal and could be a stand in, even though the others mentioned are indeed real. We definitely know Elihu existed and is likely the author. In the end, it doesn’t really matter.
I to have experience Job test, and is important test from God to let the evil spiritual harm, manipulate, and humiliate the person to see how loyal the person is to God
Why do they're questions that at oll? EVERY believers are know it by testifying throw the spirit inside. And all agreed! JESUS is the Lord the word and through.
Fighting Leviathan, With a Puny Wooden Sword! By Robert Winkler Burke 775-690-7293 Book #8 of In That Day Teachings Copyright 5/25/11 www.inthatdayteachings.com
Notes from Nelson’s Quick Reference Bible Dictionary: “The book of Job is not only one of the most remarkable in the Bible, but in literature. As was said of Goliath’s sword, ‘There is none like it,’ none in ancient or in modern literature.” - Kitto. “A book which will one day, perhaps, be seen towering up alone far above all the poetry of the world.” - J. A. Froude. Nelson’s comments say that the true identity of who wrote Job has remained throughout time: a mystery. “Do not break the person, break his desire to attack you. Provide the illusion that your opponent still has control, but make sure he does not.” - Mikhail Ryabko, Russian Martial Art Systema Master Imust not hurt huge Leviathan, As it swoops down on me! Dragon’s flame kills and maims, I’ll soon be history! Oh, woe is me! Oh, woe is me! I have but a wooden sword! From the cross, that victory tree, Of Christ, my humble Lord! Yet, I must not hurt Leviathan, Its skin is tough and brittle! His pride is ridiculous big, And I am less than little! We fight for hours, Oh, we fight for days on end! Then, when it’s over, The beast gets up again! My puny wooden sword damages it not, I’m like a grasshopper against a giant! Then it lays down, coughs up its heart, Upon its tongue, now on me: reliant! Leviathan now relies on me, To treat its heart with care! No longer enemies, but fast friends, I approach on God’s dare! Oh, woe is me! Oh, woe is me! I have but a wooden sword! From the cross, that victory tree, Of Christ, my humble Lord! With my too-small wooden sword, I walk into the danger zone, such biting teeth of dread! To the heart, now on the tongue, I gently touch my sword, out gush bright drops of red! From the sword come good drops, Of God’s ancient-wisdom self-sacrifice, Then Beast wakes up changed, Swallows heart and renews its old vice! Cruelly taking advantage of my nearness, Leviathan scorches me in full-blown rage! I fight him off again with wooden sword, Behold! Beast doth weaken! says my Page. For my Page greatly knows what’s going on, Not long ago, HEwas THEbad Leviathan! You see, we fought for years! Way too long! Hisdual was an excruciating marathon! But after a thousand drops from God’s cross, My Page was, of Beast, set free! Now he’s learning to be God’s Man-of-War, Who fights evil, just like me! Oh, woe is me! Oh, woe is me! I have but a wooden sword! From the cross, that victory tree, Of Christ, my humble Lord! After days and months and years, My Page and I have succeeded! Leviathan whom we fought, Is full humble now: defeated! My Page has become a Swordsman, That Leviathan: HIS own Page, I have left off sword for pen, That you understand this age! So then, pride of religion and its blinding selfish-rigidness, Is killing man! Just as loving kindness, humility, patience and flexibility, Kills Leviathan! Job learned this In That Day, Of his: long ago! Now we must all learn the same! You do not know? Holy flexibility, Is where Christ-in-You is at! You’ll remember the fight, When the Rigid lose all that! You’ll remember the fight, When, as rigid Leviathan, you with great enmity: hated your betters! Who took your blows nobly, And with kind, wooden, bloody swords, removed your blind fetters. How you’ll hate that forgiving blood of Jesus, Applied drops at a time on your stony heart! Until you see it is not the end, But the Christ-in-You: Page-Warrior start! You’ll then, Rigid Ones,be on the, Other side of the sword! You’ll say, as Job did, I repent! In dust and ashes, Lord! And if you were particularly mean, And hurtful to your dear-brave Warrior-Savior, God will give you a willow-wimpy sword, To fight Leviathan, inside of your neighbor!
Oh, woe is me! Oh, woe is me! I have but a wooden sword! From the cross, that victory tree, Of Christ, my humble Lord! You might say, Well, it serves me just about right! Rip me up, Leviathan! It’s time to fight! I shall notreturn evil for evil, From proud, religiously-rigid man, He may hurt me, but me never:him, He’ll get what I have in me: I AM! The great I AM, Wants to live in us all! In That Day it’s, A strange work: yet not small! It’s a BIGthing, When Leviathan pride dies! And Christ-in-You, Trumpets: loud victory cries! Yet and even much so, Your pridein all this will be choked: by your own reins, By the smallish sword, You’ll be given, to do the large work that remains! Oh, woe is me! Oh, woe is me! I have but a wooden sword! From the cross, that victory tree, Of Christ, my humble Lord! You might ask me,where did I learn all this? That it’s a pride-fight and that Leviathan isn’t a dinosaur true! I learned it by reading the Book of Job, From the Warrior-Prophet, not a Page, whose name is Elihu! This great, but young, Warrior-Prophet, Had heard so much talk of churchy-religious pride, Elihu wrote all of Job’s book, Yet pride in work: egoless, he did prodigious hide!
Elihu hid his authorship, And prophetic voice with Job! That following Workmen, Would put this in their brain’s globe… Religious-Pride is Leviathan! (It’s a smallish issue with beginners!) Leviathan is Religious-godly-Pride! (Clericalism makes biggest sinners!) I write this, as your proud author, Oops! That beast is hard to hide! Where is my bent, old wooden sword? God, I lay my heart upon my swag tongue! Knowledge puffeth me up… in pride, Touch me now, oh blood of God’s Son! Oh, woe is me! Oh, woe is me! I have but a wooden sword! From the cross, that victory tree, Of Christ, my humble Lord! But you protest, Only Jesus! Jesus alone! He alone (ALONE!)is your Savior! Never you’d let, Yourself acknowledge: He can be greater in your neighbor? Can you, then, see now, What has been your, and all of milk Churchianity’s, problem? Sub-taught leaders vow, To never slay their damnable, supercilious, god-pride goblin? Even tho you say: just reading the bible sans leaven, And listening to, or becoming, another Milk-way, Mandarin Madman, And with Jesus, stuck somehow (by you?)in heaven, Works to expunge pride? Nope! It makes naught but bad-bad bad-men. So swallow your pride, oh religious daughter or son, Prepare to meet your shorter, younger, older, taller… Much Betters, Where dead body is, vultures on you will pick on, Your religious pride. So honor who removes necrotic, hubris fetters. You know, only Christ-in-You (in one)can do it, Almost kill a soul, non-violently, to get rid of religious pride… to move it, Eyes to see, ears to hear… are a better shoe fit, Pride kills. Humility heals. Hear ye, All pride-bots so ill-begot… get to it! Oh, woe is me! Oh, woe is me! I have but a wooden sword! From the cross, that victory tree, Of Christ, my humble Lord!
Isaiah 27:1-4 (MSG) - “At that time (a time in the future when conditions are ripe) God will unsheathe his sword (ITDTs?)… his merciless, mighty sword… (and) he’ll kill [Leviathan - religious pride!] that old dragon [debauched clericalism living in harmony and support of Progressive Slavery or Tribal Slavery] that lives in the sea [of minds.]” Vs. The sad but extremely typical early Twenty-First Century Milk Church Leadership meme: “You have everything to learn from us; we have nothing to learn from you!”
Good morning Robert. This song or poem about Job is wonderful. Our Heavenly Father is working threw you. I would love to ask you some questions. Can I email you or text you?
Good morning Kathleen....halcion cocaine might be clueless with a name like that? I dont think he realizes that you were referring to a person not a "job" lol!
No to mention even if the underlying story is true, most of the story is highly dramatized. Job is made mostly of argument between job and his “friends” and Job and God. And those arguments are extremely dense Hebrew poetry. No one talks like that let alone 5 people. So most of the book is not what actually literally was said. And Job was one of the last books written in the Hebrew Bible. We used to think this was an extremely old but now we know this comes from the second temple period. If this book is a true story and not a fiction with moral truth this story would have to have been passed on for many many generations (which isn’t impossible)
No, that is a lie. Job was a man and exemplified how all believers are to embrace suffering. We are called to suffer. We must rejoice when we can share in Christ’s ultimate act of love and accountability. God’s Spirit worked through all three of those men. They surrendered and were led completely by the Spirit to carry out God’s work and will. Believers must understand why we suffer. What is the first Noble Truth of The Buddha? Life is Suffering. We must lower our expectations of life - embrace tribulations and trials and know the race has been run and won. This life is not our home. Why do we care what happens here? Heaven is real and much much closer than anyone could possibly imagine.
Job was a real person, which was mentioned by the prophet Ezekiel see. (Ezekiel 14:14).The book of Job is all about righteousness. Passages Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things written aforetime were written for our learning ( instruction)... Those who question the book of Job Lacked understanding... 2 Timothy 3:16-17 "All scripture is given by the inspiration of God ,and is profitable for doctrine ,for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness..." For the kingdom of Heaven is Righteousness... In the Gospel the righteousness of God is revealed ... The Just shall lived by faith... As Abraham believed the Lord it was counted to him as righteousness ... Understand the justification of the faith...
The book of job is a metaphor. Why? Because if you want to tempt someone to reject God, you don’t inflict pain or strip them of possessions. Quite to the contrary. Much more effective to increase their power and status. I would have multiplied his wealth and his families wealth by a thousand times. They would have fallen under the influence of unlimited resources which comes with a title....power!
Mr. C I don’t think the goal was for Job to reject God but to CURSE God. If Job were to gain power and titles he might find no need for God or he might actually give thanks to God for the riches and power.
TheThunderkatana Even if he himself were able to handle the additional power that wealth brings. A smart enemy would get to you through your family. Again, not directly...I would create the atmosphere where they destroy each other. I would force job to deny his own bloodline. Btw.....I have to believe that with cursing comes rejection.
Happy35 Perhaps.....but understand this. The book of job stands alone where pain and loss are inflicted on a man who didn’t bring it on himself. If God feels the need to gamble on job as a good boy, then take it to Vegas.
Job was a real man. God has given me the same experience. I have been stripped of Everything ..until I Come Face to Face..with God. And I Know that HE is My ONLY PROVIDER! Exactly what Job learned.
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So you are blameless?
Bryan Roney
Yes! I have known Jesus since I was six years old..learned His commandments at eight years old..And have Always wanted to Do the Right thing.
kathleen Wharton woah there
@@halcioncocaine2096 silly fucker-Laughin my ass off
AMEN 🙏🏻 Job was a true man!!! He endured all the trials!!
God bless you for sharing this truth 🙌🏻
Madkapfitness it’s true
Elihu !!!!! a similitude of Christ Jesus or a Christophany??
If Job was a real man who was the witness to the conversation between Satan and God concerning the bet between them both. There must have been a witness to the deal they made together "God and Satan" to make Job suffer, in order to put it in writing.
Good question and extremely good answer I agree thank you Pastor John!
Susan Roberts
His is merely a theory. There is no way to know.
This is one of the main reasons why Jesus said, "Search the scriptures." We assumed that Job was a 'myth.' If we learned how to read the scriptures thoroearly, then we would know if Job was a myth or not. This is one of the best teachings on job I ever heard. I'm very blessed!
Amen and AMEN!!!
I have heard it argued vehemently by fellow pastors who are adamant that Job was fictional.
Considering the spiritual significance of the book of Job, it seems like only one being would profit if believers thought that the records of Job were fictional.
Brothers and sisters, be Bereans, read your Bibles and when people try to bring doubt upon the integrity of scripture, “let God be true but every man a liar” (Romans 3:4)
I've been wresting with this question since a discussion in a class I was taking at my church. One of my fellow students brought up this idea Job might not be a real person. The pastor/teacher said he'd heard that and left it up to interpretation.This really bothered me so I really appreciate this well thoughtout explanation.
WillWonders NeverCease?
We can’t know.....
In Job 10,
Job began comparing God to a man of flesh, we have the tendency to do this with the Bible, everything within the Bible is true, because it is not a man made book, It is a historical book based on factual information from the one true God. There is a lot of truth to the word of God and saying that Job is a myth, is like saying that the Bible is not true. The Bible is above us and we are below it. We can never say that the stories of the Bible are not true because the Bible never contradicts itself, it always stands firm to it's roots, everything leading to the scope of Jesus dying for our sins, and therefore, having eternal life in Christ. If a church is displaying anything other than the truth, and saying that Job is a myth, they are a false teacher, and you need to flee from that church.
Stand firm on the word of truth and know that it is from God. Do not let this world decieve you!!
God bless you pastor John! I 'm so thankful to God for you!
Its crazy to hear that a pastor can tell his congregation that job is a made up person. That surely makes God just like any one of us. Giving a moral story to convince. Absurd. Might as well just take the whole book as a book of moral studies. Sad. Very sad
I've just discovered that have I leaned towards a critical inclination about the book of Job. I have to accepted it as a divine inspired parable. I saw nothing wrong in doing so. I must change.
Historically, Job was before Abraham. Job dates way back to chapter 5 of genesis
Thanking God for this brilliant line of reasoning!
He is one of three who can be spared by his own rightousness and he is referred to in the N.T. And other Prophets
Nobody can be saved by their own righteousness except Christ, who thus needed no salvation, and rather their faith is counted to them as salvific, just like anyone else with faith.
Ilya Yuriy Donskikh i was referring to o.t. script about Noah, Daniel and Job and not bringing times of old, pre CHRIST into the same time frame of all the generations of the gentiles for the last 2000+ years. And the Grace that was accorded at HIS Death And Resurrection .
@@afraidknotelfa5998 Good morning. Ilya is correct. I get what you were trying to say though. Almighty God credited righteousness to Abraham, He said Job righteous but needed to be humbled because of his moralistic ways, Noah walked with God, Enoch walked with God. Notice that when referring to Job it doesn't say he walked with God.. think about that.
Rey Rosalez Noah had pure RNA/DNA and he obviously heard FATHERGOD'S VOICE. Back in 03-07 when i was involved in a deep and intensive research and study, we looked into Noah's life a lot. We did not see the level of real wickedness and the rise of the beast system. I see it now, in all the ways its leached. Back then , Noah lived 930 years. It was 70 years short of 1000. If we look at the bible as the time piece also that it is ... and reach back in time to see in plain sight, the Psalms was a book of 5 . Calculate quite quickly:
66 book in bible
-1 book of Psalms
= 65
+ 5
= 70
Shem, Ham, and Japheth also give great insight to the #3
Anyway the curve of time that is being manipulated by man's advesary has used power to make Noah's Life a fifty. It now all says 950. Scary lies to give a taste of FATHERS PRECISION, the synagog of satan is going to use it for a jubilee effect somehow, in the web of their deception.
@@afraidknotelfa5998 Good morning Elizabeth. Well thats a lot to ponder this morning. I admire your dedication in researching Gods word. In reading your answer I also wanted to remind you that sometimes the adversary satan himself will use forums like this or put people or groups in our lives ( sometimes even churches) to distract true followers of Christ Jesus. These distractions can and will pull us away from whats truly truly important, the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ and what He alone is telling us. Ponder on that for a bit Elizabeth. God Bless you.
Yes i think he was real, good for you pastor 4 speaking up
This is very good, thank you, and the concept is transferable to many other aspects of the Bible.
James 5:11 We count those blessed who endured. You have heard of the endurance of Job and have seen the outcome of the Lord's dealings, that the Lord is full of compassion and is merciful.
Brilliant expose men of our FATHERGOD+CHRIST
Why would job not be real? The things that happened to job are tame compared to other accounts in the Bible. I struggle more with forgiveness for enemies then the story of job lol. Pretty sure job is a real dude. Keep in mind job is one the few dudes God showed up and talk to DIRECTLY!!! Job is an og triple og.
Adam and Moses did too so did Apostle John.
How can anyone dislike this?!
A strong argument can be made that Job is fictional or at least the story is dramatized. To say that a reason to leave the church is the pastor saying Job is fictional is unhelpful
Pastor I'm a born-again Believer, Jesus Christ is my Lord and my Saviour, I go to church and I give tithes and offerings. I thank God that it is written in Romans chapter 8:1 "there is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus." For several years now I have been asking God for his wisdom for me to receive his provision and for restoration so that I may recover all. In 1 Samuel 30:18 it is written, "David recovered all." I have been asking God every day for his wisdom for me to receive his provision, for me to recover all and for me to clearly see that He is helping me. I am in a better Covenant than David, with better promises, so where am I missing it?
Job was real as you are. One of his three friends was Eliphaz the Temanite, Esau's son. Genesis 36:15. So from that you can determine about when it was written, which would have been after Job died, who lived 140 years.
Elihu the son of Barachel the Buzite penned the book of Job. Job 32:16 strongly indicates this.
Fuller seminary experience: "During my five quarters at Fuller, I have had professors who defied the trustworthiness of Scripture, questioned the literalness and existence of eternal hell/lake of fire, taught a form of theistic evolution over the six-day creation account established in the book of Genesis, hinted that Jesus may not be the only way to heaven, and shaped the gospel message and Jesus’ work on Calvary to make it fit the paradigm of a cultural mandate and social justice type of message instead of the orthodox view of what the gospel and the cross means, which is God’s punishment of sinners with eternal hell, Jesus’ sacrifice and atonement to satisfy God’s justice and wrath, Jesus’ imputed righteousness, salvation by faith in Christ alone, etc." - Steve Cha from his experience at Fuller seminary
Another brother's experience: During his first class he was taught that there are many historical errors in the book of Acts.
The suffering of Job is as real as our suffering right now in the modern days
Job has always been the biggest place of struggle for me I still dont understand why God gave power to Satan over Jobs life. What was he trying to prove or do?
It answers many questions that Christians pose today.
1) Satan can't read minds or see the future, he bet that Job would curse God but Job remained faithful.
2) God is in complete control over good and evil
3) Friends will give you bad advise, trust God
4) Family members will die, trust God
5) You may lose your possessions and livelihood or job, trust God
6) You may suffer bad health, trust God
7) Trust God no matter what
i think God might’ve done it to prove evil wrong, showing that Job rlly would persevere because He truly loves God.
I believe Job is a complete allegory. Because the adversary in the OT is the evil spirit of the Lord and also described as mans carnal nature. The adversary does not have free will so whatever happens in our life has to be approved by God himself or is caused by our freewill which Yhwh will not interfere with unless he tries to guide us by our conscience which we over ride constantly.
Interesting that the first book of the bible to be written, Job, was about trusting God.
Elihu !!!!! a similitude of Christ Jesus or a Christophany?? I love the book of Job! i have read it 3 times fully and countless times not fully. Our Lord Jesus Christ has spoken to me threw this book in 3 different ways! Its wonderful ! Its the truth because its Gods word, for He is the Word. Is Job a real person? Absolutely! Not because Pipper says so. Because I believe so !
I would say it doesn't matter. Everything analogous demonstrated in the story of Job, should be taken as factually true and applied accordingly. Okay, now I'll listen to your answer. :)
Edit: When I say it doesn't matter, I only mean that it wouldn't invalidate Biblical teaching on Job. I don't think there is any reason to believe he was fiction.
Well, I would say that if it was fiction it would be blasphemous to say that God did something that He didn't.
@@gnevescoelho You mean, if the events of Job didn't literally happen, God could not have still given Job as a realistic analogy used for teaching?
@@dannyboyz7061 I dont think so. God in the Bible only uses analogy in form of parables, and the parables never talk about God directly as a character of the parable (only indirectly with a character representing God or something God did or does). I think that is because something God would do is something that He already did.
Great!
Why did God in the Bible depend on deception and lie to Job to get him to prove his faith? I was told God never lies.
I'm going to be honest, I also entertained the thought once that Job may be fictitious. But dismissed it as: "I don't know enough to make that assumption". I think that was rather a safe dismissal. I also think one might have to apply the same type of thinking in other parts of the Bible where topics are discussed that seem strange, so that one might not be led into heretical teachings, but rather listen to other teachers' opinions for insight on the subject.
Edrich Horn i think its always 100% safe to believe the bible just as it is. Its always the “great” human mind or evil making us think otherwise about bible. Just becuz it doesnt make sense or vague, doesnt mean that its fiction or impossible. Its the works and words of God almighty. How dare we bring it down to our eye level of thinking and assume things.
@@dailylifeofanything399 I agree fully with you, but learning to understand the Bible just as it is, is a hard thing to do sometimes. Even though His Spirit indwells our hearts, revealing the Word of God to us as we read, I still find it challenging at times. It is then that I ponder the Word of God, because I know that I do not know. Going to teachers for advice, in my mind, is a good thing. I long to understand more of the Word of God and find more insight of God. I know it is wrong to pervert the Word of God by our level of thinking, but sometimes it's tempting. In no means am I saying we should assume things we do not know enough about.
@@EdrichHorn I agree. If we didn't have questions and ponderings and even doubts we wouldn't be humble. We wouldn't be seeking out answers from Pastor John Piper and other teachers. Even the Pslams speak of questions and doubts. John the Baptist sent questions of doubt by way of his followers to Jesus asking was He really the One. It's what we do with our doubts. You are so true in everything you said. And you address your temptation thoughts biblically even if the thoughts themselves aren't biblical. It shows your humility and it shows discipline to go against the flesh and continue to seek God.
+Rey Rosalez.. You are Right. Us bible people know Job..but he probably does not. Anyway..maybe..it was Job's job to Learn that God is Our Provider! We give ourselves too much credit for our successes!
It is also such people that the devil fears the most.
I believe it was a fictitious person that God used to teach a lesson as there are many reasons why this is true. Because Satan is not a being that talks with God. The adversary is mans carnal nature. The whole bible is full of all types of hebrew forms of literature to teach a truth. Personification being just one of many. Metaphor, allegory, parable, simile, idiom, apocalyptic language, etc. Although literal events and persons did happen as told. You must be able to decipher the hidden messages as Paul explains one allegory at the end of Galations 4 referring to the bond woman and free woman.
This is also what a priest has told me
@@kingmambabryant_2473 its true. When you start seeing the metaphor in scripture it all makes sense. And the type or shadow is the OT. Jesus Christ is metaphor for Israel both elect and freewill believers. All Are the lamb of sacrifice. We must all crucify our carnal man then we rise to new spiritual life. Its ALL metaphor. Were some of these people real, yes, someone had to write the story. Which on top of that was corrupted by Rome with her pagan doctrines. Its hard to figure out without Gods help. But if we pray and ask for guidance and for our spiritual eyes to be opened and mean it, he will. He did for me. He wants to show us the truth but just like parables, its hidden within the scriptures and is only found by those who truly seek and use the tools he gave us. Establish truth by 2 or 3 witnesses (that match each other), line upon line precept upon prect. Study to show ourselves approved rightly dividing the word of truth (from inserted lies). As Jer 8.8 warned of the lying pen of the scribe to deceive.
When you find the pearl of great value, its rivers of living water and inner peace and joy that no one can take away. :)
@@RoseSharon7777 Jesus could be a methapor in some ways but he is also historical and a God, literally.
@@kingmambabryant_2473 If Jesus is a god then so are all sons born of Gods spirit. So you may be right. But he is NOT Elohiem. Hosea 11:9
@@RoseSharon7777 disagree about what you said on jesus because he is Yahweh transform into human from Roman Catholic teaching but thanks for sharing, we all have different perspective about it.. I really relate about your own understanding of the bible that although some are historical and some are myth, it was all inspired by god and reveal the truth and nature of him, faith and morals.
Its good to read the Present with Religion, a book available for free on the internet.The book is about the truth of life and it shows the full picture of life for the first time so that you may stop being deceived by the world and be able to follow the steps of Jesus and other prophets to Heaven.Knowing the truth is the key factor in our salvation.We must know the truth and live in it and change ourselves according to it in order to be saved.There is no other way to our salvation.With the knowlege of the truth there comes true repentance which means changing our minds and also true obediance to God' s law and finally our sanctification which is a lifelong process.And God in His mercy will give us His wonderful grace which is the time and ability to make the proper change.Only in this way will we be able to attain our eternal salvation.Now is the time of our salvation.We cannot lose this brief and unique opportunity.Lets not wait any longer.
He was most certainly a man, the book of Job is the only tangible thing in this world that I can relate to.
Are there any other storys in the Bible that no one knows who wrote it that would have had to be from God because of a conversation in the Heavens ?
If Job is real. Was he before Satan's fall or after. If it was after what is Satan's true relationship with God?
Who recorded Job's account? Who was there watching all that happened and wrote down the account?
Bianconero 1792
No way to know. The gospels fall into the same category. No one knows the author of any of the four. It certainly wasn’t Matthew ,mark,Luke, or John. Those were written hundreds of years after the fact.
Mr. C
No you are absolutely incorrect. Do your research and find that there were eye witnesses meaning the apostles to the fact. That’s what makes the gospels so unique. They saw the risen Lord and proof of this was their recorded martyrdom.
@@mr.c2485 wrong
I think Moses wrote it. Because the bible books are not in chronological order. Or perhaps the 4th friend of Job's. He isn't mentioned a lot. He speaks up only briefly during Job's situation. He was younger than the other friends. Maybe he wrote it down. Just because we don't know the author it doesn't mean it didn't happen or that the author didn't exist. Those are my two I am guessing at. I'll find out for sure in heaven.
The Holy Bible is alive! it is the breathed word of God Almighty! 66 books many writers and 1 Author, The Alpha and The Omega, The Holy One God Almighty!! Amen !
Why is Job in the poetry section?
Many books were not added to the old testament because they were seen as fictions. But Job was a real person,if not who wrote the book? . It couldn't have been In the Bible till today. Some speak in ignorance and some are enemies... crept in UNAWARE.
If someone says job I fictitious than tmrw they will say the Adam eve n serpent is also imaginary
They are... Grow up
Yes. Many do.
They’ve probably already said it yesterday.
First we have to find out who wrote the book👍
Wow, now that was good
I need to fact check my n.t. statement . If Job is mentioned can anyone call out the scripture !
Amen!
that girl needs to find a new church
Job was not a real person..there is no genealogical evidence during a time where record keeping was good
No he was a man! I enjoyed this so much!
Elihu !!!!! a similitude of Christ Jesus or a Christophany??
John anosika
Every biblical scholar from the secularist/humanists to the most literal reformed are pretty much in consensus. If you understand how the Bible is written, the patterns throughout etc., you would KNOW the book is an allegory. Ooofffff what a bad bad take from this Pastor.
If Daniel was real why is there no historical evidence for him outside of the Bible?
Good morning. Their is a a lot of solid evidence of Daniel, you just have to look.
@@reyrosalez4701 I noticed you didn't mention any. I have looked. I've found nothing, which is odd considering the book fo Daniel has him as the third in command of the kingdom so one would think he would be mentioned somewhere. If you know of any historical evidence pointing to Daniel I'm willing to listen.
Remember his given name by his first king Nebuchadnezzar
@@reyrosalez4701 Yeah. Belteshazzar .
According to semiticists and ANE literature scholars, assyriologists/egyptologists, etc
The whole story reads like an epic for wisdom and parallels a lot of ANE literature. The writing is disputed to be written anywhere before Moses to second temple. So it’s actually very unlikely Job is an actual person but an archetype. This also applies to Jonah.
Moreover to the fact that people cite that Ezekiel mentions Job doesn’t really amount to much since its archetypal and could be a stand in, even though the others mentioned are indeed real.
We definitely know Elihu existed and is likely the author. In the end, it doesn’t really matter.
let every man be a liar! God is the Truth!
I think Job became Melchizedek
I to have experience Job test, and is important test from God to let the evil spiritual harm, manipulate, and humiliate the person to see how loyal the person is to God
in the heart and spirit
Why do they're questions that at oll? EVERY believers are know it by testifying throw the spirit inside. And all agreed! JESUS is the Lord the word and through.
Fighting Leviathan, With a Puny Wooden Sword!
By Robert Winkler Burke 775-690-7293
Book #8 of In That Day Teachings
Copyright 5/25/11 www.inthatdayteachings.com
Notes from Nelson’s Quick Reference Bible Dictionary:
“The book of Job is not only one of the most remarkable in the Bible, but in literature. As was said of Goliath’s sword, ‘There is none like it,’ none in ancient or in modern literature.” - Kitto. “A book which will one day, perhaps, be seen towering up alone far above all the poetry of the world.” - J. A. Froude. Nelson’s comments say that the true identity of who wrote Job has remained throughout time: a mystery.
“Do not break the person, break his desire to attack you. Provide the illusion that your opponent still has control, but make sure he does not.” - Mikhail Ryabko, Russian Martial Art Systema Master
Imust not hurt huge Leviathan,
As it swoops down on me!
Dragon’s flame kills and maims,
I’ll soon be history!
Oh, woe is me! Oh, woe is me!
I have but a wooden sword!
From the cross, that victory tree,
Of Christ, my humble Lord!
Yet, I must not hurt Leviathan,
Its skin is tough and brittle!
His pride is ridiculous big,
And I am less than little!
We fight for hours,
Oh, we fight for days on end!
Then, when it’s over,
The beast gets up again!
My puny wooden sword damages it not,
I’m like a grasshopper against a giant!
Then it lays down, coughs up its heart,
Upon its tongue, now on me: reliant!
Leviathan now relies on me,
To treat its heart with care!
No longer enemies, but fast friends,
I approach on God’s dare!
Oh, woe is me! Oh, woe is me!
I have but a wooden sword!
From the cross, that victory tree,
Of Christ, my humble Lord!
With my too-small wooden sword,
I walk into the danger zone, such biting teeth of dread!
To the heart, now on the tongue,
I gently touch my sword, out gush bright drops of red!
From the sword come good drops,
Of God’s ancient-wisdom self-sacrifice,
Then Beast wakes up changed,
Swallows heart and renews its old vice!
Cruelly taking advantage of my nearness,
Leviathan scorches me in full-blown rage!
I fight him off again with wooden sword,
Behold! Beast doth weaken! says my Page.
For my Page greatly knows what’s going on,
Not long ago, HEwas THEbad Leviathan!
You see, we fought for years! Way too long!
Hisdual was an excruciating marathon!
But after a thousand drops from God’s cross,
My Page was, of Beast, set free!
Now he’s learning to be God’s Man-of-War,
Who fights evil, just like me!
Oh, woe is me! Oh, woe is me!
I have but a wooden sword!
From the cross, that victory tree,
Of Christ, my humble Lord!
After days and months and years,
My Page and I have succeeded!
Leviathan whom we fought,
Is full humble now: defeated!
My Page has become a Swordsman,
That Leviathan: HIS own Page,
I have left off sword for pen,
That you understand this age!
So then, pride of religion and its blinding selfish-rigidness,
Is killing man!
Just as loving kindness, humility, patience and flexibility,
Kills Leviathan!
Job learned this In That Day,
Of his: long ago!
Now we must all learn the same!
You do not know?
Holy flexibility,
Is where Christ-in-You is at!
You’ll remember the fight,
When the Rigid lose all that!
You’ll remember the fight,
When, as rigid Leviathan, you with great enmity: hated your betters!
Who took your blows nobly,
And with kind, wooden, bloody swords, removed your blind fetters.
How you’ll hate that forgiving blood of Jesus,
Applied drops at a time on your stony heart!
Until you see it is not the end,
But the Christ-in-You: Page-Warrior start!
You’ll then, Rigid Ones,be on the,
Other side of the sword!
You’ll say, as Job did, I repent!
In dust and ashes, Lord!
And if you were particularly mean,
And hurtful to your dear-brave Warrior-Savior,
God will give you a willow-wimpy sword,
To fight Leviathan, inside of your neighbor!
Oh, woe is me! Oh, woe is me!
I have but a wooden sword!
From the cross, that victory tree,
Of Christ, my humble Lord!
You might say,
Well, it serves me just about right!
Rip me up,
Leviathan! It’s time to fight!
I shall notreturn evil for evil,
From proud, religiously-rigid man,
He may hurt me, but me never:him,
He’ll get what I have in me: I AM!
The great I AM,
Wants to live in us all!
In That Day it’s,
A strange work: yet not small!
It’s a BIGthing,
When Leviathan pride dies!
And Christ-in-You,
Trumpets: loud victory cries!
Yet and even much so,
Your pridein all this will be choked: by your own reins,
By the smallish sword,
You’ll be given, to do the large work that remains!
Oh, woe is me! Oh, woe is me!
I have but a wooden sword!
From the cross, that victory tree,
Of Christ, my humble Lord!
You might ask me,where did I learn all this?
That it’s a pride-fight and that Leviathan isn’t a dinosaur true!
I learned it by reading the Book of Job,
From the Warrior-Prophet, not a Page, whose name is Elihu!
This great, but young, Warrior-Prophet,
Had heard so much talk of churchy-religious pride,
Elihu wrote all of Job’s book,
Yet pride in work: egoless, he did prodigious hide!
Elihu hid his authorship,
And prophetic voice with Job!
That following Workmen,
Would put this in their brain’s globe…
Religious-Pride is Leviathan! (It’s a smallish issue with beginners!)
Leviathan is Religious-godly-Pride! (Clericalism makes biggest sinners!)
I write this, as your proud author,
Oops! That beast is hard to hide!
Where is my bent, old wooden sword?
God, I lay my heart upon my swag tongue!
Knowledge puffeth me up… in pride,
Touch me now, oh blood of God’s Son!
Oh, woe is me! Oh, woe is me!
I have but a wooden sword!
From the cross, that victory tree,
Of Christ, my humble Lord!
But you protest,
Only Jesus! Jesus alone! He alone (ALONE!)is your Savior!
Never you’d let,
Yourself acknowledge: He can be greater in your neighbor?
Can you, then, see now,
What has been your, and all of milk Churchianity’s, problem?
Sub-taught leaders vow,
To never slay their damnable, supercilious, god-pride goblin?
Even tho you say: just reading the bible sans leaven,
And listening to, or becoming, another Milk-way, Mandarin Madman,
And with Jesus, stuck somehow (by you?)in heaven,
Works to expunge pride? Nope! It makes naught but bad-bad bad-men.
So swallow your pride, oh religious daughter or son,
Prepare to meet your shorter, younger, older, taller… Much Betters,
Where dead body is, vultures on you will pick on,
Your religious pride. So honor who removes necrotic, hubris fetters.
You know, only Christ-in-You (in one)can do it,
Almost kill a soul, non-violently, to get rid of religious pride… to move it,
Eyes to see, ears to hear… are a better shoe fit,
Pride kills. Humility heals. Hear ye, All pride-bots so ill-begot… get to it!
Oh, woe is me! Oh, woe is me!
I have but a wooden sword!
From the cross, that victory tree,
Of Christ, my humble Lord!
Isaiah 27:1-4 (MSG) - “At that time (a time in the future when conditions are ripe) God will unsheathe his sword (ITDTs?)… his merciless, mighty sword… (and) he’ll kill [Leviathan - religious pride!] that old dragon [debauched clericalism living in harmony and support of Progressive Slavery or Tribal Slavery] that lives in the sea [of minds.]”
Vs.
The sad but extremely typical early Twenty-First Century Milk Church Leadership meme: “You have everything to learn from us; we have nothing to learn from you!”
Study Tobias? THINK, folks.
Good morning Robert. This song or poem about Job is wonderful. Our Heavenly Father is working threw you. I would love to ask you some questions. Can I email you or text you?
+halcion cocaine..I have worked my whole life. God Provides the work..and the ability to do it. God Provides Everything. You seem clueless.
Good morning Kathleen....halcion cocaine might be clueless with a name like that? I dont think he realizes that you were referring to a person not a "job" lol!
The argument for fiction Job is its anachronisms
No to mention even if the underlying story is true, most of the story is highly dramatized. Job is made mostly of argument between job and his “friends” and Job and God. And those arguments are extremely dense Hebrew poetry. No one talks like that let alone 5 people. So most of the book is not what actually literally was said.
And Job was one of the last books written in the Hebrew Bible. We used to think this was an extremely old but now we know this comes from the second temple period. If this book is a true story and not a fiction with moral truth this story would have to have been passed on for many many generations (which isn’t impossible)
No, that is a lie. Job was a man and exemplified how all believers are to embrace suffering. We are called to suffer. We must rejoice when we can share in Christ’s ultimate act of love and accountability. God’s Spirit worked through all three of those men. They surrendered and were led completely by the Spirit to carry out God’s work and will. Believers must understand why we suffer. What is the first Noble Truth of The Buddha? Life is Suffering. We must lower our expectations of life - embrace tribulations and trials and know the race has been run and won. This life is not our home. Why do we care what happens here? Heaven is real and much much closer than anyone could possibly imagine.
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Is Job real? About as real as a slap to the face or as real as the sun rises in the morning
Job was a real person, which was mentioned by the prophet Ezekiel see. (Ezekiel 14:14).The book of Job is all about righteousness.
Passages
Romans 15:4
For whatsoever things written aforetime were written for our learning ( instruction)...
Those who question the book of Job Lacked understanding...
2 Timothy 3:16-17
"All scripture is given by the inspiration of God ,and is profitable for doctrine ,for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness..."
For the kingdom of Heaven is Righteousness...
In the Gospel the righteousness of God is revealed ... The Just shall lived by faith...
As Abraham believed the Lord it was counted to him as righteousness ...
Understand the justification of the faith...
How grown ups can even ask this is a tragedy..
Well, the Lord said it is those who become like children that inherit the Kingdom of God.
i fell into lust plz pray for me
The book of job is a metaphor. Why? Because if you want to tempt someone to reject God, you don’t inflict pain or strip them of possessions.
Quite to the contrary. Much more effective to increase their power and status. I would have multiplied his wealth and his families wealth by a thousand times. They would have fallen under the influence of unlimited resources which comes with a title....power!
Mr. C I don’t think the goal was for Job to reject God but to CURSE God. If Job were to gain power and titles he might find no need for God or he might actually give thanks to God for the riches and power.
TheThunderkatana
Even if he himself were able to handle the additional power that wealth brings. A smart enemy would get to you through your family. Again, not directly...I would create the atmosphere where they destroy each other. I would force job to deny his own bloodline.
Btw.....I have to believe that with cursing comes rejection.
Its obvious you don't know what the book of Job was about. The Bible Project has a good synopsis of the book.
U wrong.trust me is a perfect example on some people i met.with the same thinking of job .job is example for does who have the same mind set
Happy35
Perhaps.....but understand this. The book of job stands alone where pain and loss are inflicted on a man who didn’t bring it on himself.
If God feels the need to gamble on job as a good boy, then take it to Vegas.