This just makes me love the Reface series even more! We just got a CP for our keyboardist on our band and we’re all amazed how good it sounds. WELL DONE AND THANKS YAMAHA!
Exceptional A/B testing. The way it ought to be done. The CP is *impressive*, and although it doesn't precisely match the Wurlie it is tested against, nothing would. Having owned 8 Wurlies, I'd give the CP an endorsement any day. I bought a CP, and I am more persuaded of its 'authenticity' every time I play it. I trigger it from a controller, so at this point I don't have a strong opinion about the mini keys. The dedicated effects are outstanding. Not a bargain, but not a toy as some, elsewhere, have asserted. 4+ *outstanding* keyboards, plus dedicated fx, that won't take up a mile of real estate and break your back and bank.
Thanks. I was already planning on grabbing one, but you just solidified it for me (3 years ago) I don't "play" play keys, but I'm looking to move away from sample based music. It will definitely do exactly what I need.
Not a fan at all of the mini keys. i bought my CP so I could use a piano action controller. Right now I trigger it from my Yamaha MX88. I think the Rhodes pianos and Whirly are better in the CP than the one in the MX.....plus those fantastic effects and the reverb are right there. No menus to screw around with.
Oh man I'm gonna get some hate from this. But I honestly like the breakup of the Yamaha better than the Wurly. As far as the actual sound goes, of course nothing can replace the real deal. But if you were to hear the Yamaha on an actual studio album with no insight of the instrument being played, I think almost anyone would be fooled. This thing is badass.
I own a 200a. It's a complete joy to play and nothing really comes close to it in terms of enjoyability for me. That being said, Wurly owners spend a lot of time and money trying to get their instruments to sound close to what the Reface sounds like. I own both and they are both great. In a mix, nobody will notice or care.
I think a lot of you are missing the point of these little units. they are light and portable, you can play em anywhere. they sound really good. not exactly same, but PDC. and you have built in drive, chorous, wah, tremolo, reverb, and digital and "analog" delay, easy to use and works good. im getting one of these, and im not a keyboardist, (yet) im a guitarist; im looking forward to using it to put down some nice back up chords on my recordings, learn how to play on an easy and smaller machine, and I have a nice piece of gear for when someone who has key chops comes by to jam.if I want 88 keys, I can get a controller with really nice key action. ill probably take it with me when I travel so I can make up songs and have fun. it's quick to get a good sound, a lot of potential variation, im someone who's not interested in getting all deep into FM synthesis, this thing is easy to use. keys are small, but they respond to pressure. I was gonna spring for a korg VP but this is gonna give me most of that sound for 1/4 the price. I will use this on campfire jams, try that with your laptop rig! or a real wurlitzer. ive looked all over, and this little thing seems to have a lot to offer. cheers.
Considering all the details of adjustment in pickups, hammers and tines that makes each wurli sound the way it does, they did a great job capturing the overall character and I'm sure if you had access to the wurli they sampled from it would be nearly 1:1
I think this is one of those things where side by side, they're easily distinguishable. When you place only one in a song, could you still pick which one is in it? Would it impact the feeling of the song that much? That is the real question. I am quite impressed, they're very very close.
The way to use these is with a controller. I paired this with a used 88 key graded hammer action keyboard and was blown away (until I upgraded to Korg SV1). I seldom if ever use the mini keys except to test the sound.
Sounds niccely emulated. Like someone said here before - only big difference you can hear is in the release, and maybe in the little bit harsher or earlier distortion in high dynamicly played sounds, but every Wurli is different and thats a problem all simulations, sampled or not have, and real Wurlies have that problem too, even with keys next to each other. From my experience: putting a microphone in front of the right speaker beats every direct output recording of a real Wurlitzer. The sound maybe not be so clean, but you get more natural sound because u record the resonance of the whole Instrument, plus the sound of the not amped reeds oscillating (like when the Wurly is turned of, plus the attack "click" sound of the keys being struck. It makes the Wurly more "bell-sounding", more into the area of a rhodes. If youre going for the midrange, very little bell like highs and very little attack sound, you can always record it through the output jack. Or you record both simultaniously and decide afterwards, wich suits the song better.
+Michael Maddox I'm not even sure it's about being on a budget, who wants to have a Wurlitzer, DX7, Hammond, loads of analogue synths, etc in their studio's these days when you have VST's and digital effects? If you really want to get authentic then you can rent out a specialist studio for the day for some sessions with that gear. I think it's perhaps useful for people who want a bit of a hybrid set up with something more authentic than digital software remakes but don't necessarily have the space, time and patience for routing loads of classic instruments into their workflow.
This is very close especially considering one is played on full size keys and the other on mini keys. Also consider how diffixult it would be to play the same passages with the exact same nuance.
Useable sound, but its size is not for adult keyboard players. Reface CP is a pretty and good sounding toy. Free tip for Yamaha: they should build CP + CS + DX + YC alltogether into a small table top or rack module, and call it "RetroKey" or something similar... :-)
Of course MIDI. But if I need CP, CS, DX and YC sounds, I'll buy 4 small stuff with unuseable keys and put them all onto the top of a MIDI keyboard...? :-)
Such a device would be a godsend. That said, there is a small community that likes to really get down with minikeys - I think the microKorg getting really popular made that happen.
I can't help but notice that the Wurli has a variable vibe. Did you install an update amp? Is it a Vintage Vibe 200/A amp by any chance? I'm really curious about doing that myself.
0:23 Eddie Kendricks - Intimate friends was recorded with a Fender Rhodes. Alicia Keys - Unbreakable is a whole step UP and was played on some sort of Wurly Digital Model? Or an ACTUAL Wurly ?
The darling little dinkie are for us mere mortals who will never be able to get our hands on a real Wurly. Until I can play like Ray Charles, that's as close as I can get.
The Reface seems a little more punchy in the beginning of the note. Then it tapers off. That is really the only difference I am hearing between the two... But, none the least the reface comes so close to being a mimic of the original Rhodes that if you didn’t want to pay used prices for the Rhodes, go with the CP. I have my first reface coming, and am looking forward to opening it and using it. I decided on the DX and CS. Anyone know about them, or have used them?
It's not quite the same but very impressive none the less. If they released these reface keyboards as a modules (the keyboards on them are not necessary with midi controllers especially as these are mainly instruments for players) I would definitely buy them! Perhaps they could even have some kind of synchronisation system so you just need to hook up midi and audio once for all your modules and perhaps even a VST interface for them? That would be amazing IMHO.
Got one of the Yamaha Electronic Pianos sitting in a cupboard needs some attention its got the old ac americal style plug that needs changeing to an english one and also needs a good tune and probably some replacement reeds an tuning anyone know anyone in the essex area that does refurbs/repairs on these was a great keyboards but it's suffering from age now needs a good service but need to start saving was told a while back it'll cost near £500 to get it revied but I've lost the guys phone number think it was in Southend on Sea somewhere its a shame its just sitting not being used as my sons now started to learn keyboards and has one of my old casio electronic ones. Hate mini keys I have an Oxegen49 midi controller hate the small keys but it does it's job.
I tried a NOS unit nearby....My impression was the tone control cuts off lot of resonance in the low end...esp. in the sustain.. while recording it may have less high end across the octaves...did anyone feel the same?? Of tonally it is good
wyjatkowo reface brzmi lepiej niz pierwowzor. miedzy reface dx a dx7 jest porazajaca roznica. tu wsm sprowadza sie tylko do tego ze cp ma mniej stlumione brzmienie
The attack of the notes on the reface sound a bit weird and 2 dimensional compared to the real thing - and the more notes that are played at the same time, the more obvious that becomes.
Wurlitzer: Inspiration/Music. CP: Linear and close to be dead in comparison, an Illusion of music, even if the sound is so close to the original. My opinion. Great demo - comparison. But: The CP is still great for what it is and for the low costs you will get a lot of really good emulation.
The upper register is not great on the Reface but the rest was pretty good for the price of course. I think the Wurly is better in the Cp but the Rhodes in this one is very good and I think better than anything in the Cp. They Cp had only one Rhodes sample that I thought was usable.. I think it was the first one the ‘78... but the rest were very bad.
That's one of the cases where you get 90% of the sound for 10% of the price.
This just makes me love the Reface series even more! We just got a CP for our keyboardist on our band and we’re all amazed how good it sounds. WELL DONE AND THANKS YAMAHA!
Exceptional A/B testing. The way it ought to be done. The CP is *impressive*, and although it doesn't precisely match the Wurlie it is tested against, nothing would.
Having owned 8 Wurlies, I'd give the CP an endorsement any day. I bought a CP, and I am more persuaded of its 'authenticity' every time I play it. I trigger it from a controller, so at this point I don't have a strong opinion about the mini keys. The dedicated effects are outstanding.
Not a bargain, but not a toy as some, elsewhere, have asserted. 4+ *outstanding* keyboards, plus dedicated fx, that won't take up a mile of real estate and break your back and bank.
Thanks. I was already planning on grabbing one, but you just solidified it for me (3 years ago) I don't "play" play keys, but I'm looking to move away from sample based music. It will definitely do exactly what I need.
what controller do you trigger with?
Not a fan at all of the mini keys. i bought my CP so I could use a piano action controller. Right now I trigger it from my Yamaha MX88. I think the Rhodes pianos and Whirly are better in the CP than the one in the MX.....plus those fantastic effects and the reverb are right there. No menus to screw around with.
It's definitely a bargain now (frankly I think it always was)
Oh man I'm gonna get some hate from this. But I honestly like the breakup of the Yamaha better than the Wurly. As far as the actual sound goes, of course nothing can replace the real deal. But if you were to hear the Yamaha on an actual studio album with no insight of the instrument being played, I think almost anyone would be fooled. This thing is badass.
Check out a band called Crumb. They use the reface CP and CS and man, it sounds amazing.
@@Zer0Spinn I just did, sounds good :-)) ruclips.net/video/94jSIcxXI-o/видео.html
I own a 200a. It's a complete joy to play and nothing really comes close to it in terms of enjoyability for me. That being said, Wurly owners spend a lot of time and money trying to get their instruments to sound close to what the Reface sounds like.
I own both and they are both great. In a mix, nobody will notice or care.
I think a lot of you are missing the point of these little units. they are light and portable, you can play em anywhere. they sound really good. not exactly same, but PDC. and you have built in drive, chorous, wah, tremolo, reverb, and digital and "analog" delay, easy to use and works good. im getting one of these, and im not a keyboardist, (yet) im a guitarist; im looking forward to using it to put down some nice back up chords on my recordings, learn how to play on an easy and smaller machine, and I have a nice piece of gear for when someone who has key chops comes by to jam.if I want 88 keys, I can get a controller with really nice key action. ill probably take it with me when I travel so I can make up songs and have fun. it's quick to get a good sound, a lot of potential variation, im someone who's not interested in getting all deep into FM synthesis, this thing is easy to use. keys are small, but they respond to pressure. I was gonna spring for a korg VP but this is gonna give me most of that sound for 1/4 the price. I will use this on campfire jams, try that with your laptop rig! or a real wurlitzer. ive looked all over, and this little thing seems to have a lot to offer. cheers.
^ this is the market Yamaha are targeting, for all you synth snobs ;-)
the sounds that the reface series has is amazing
Did I just write your comment or did you? Hello me? Lol Agreed! It's a great lil keyboard.
@@dudeseriously79 thanks man. I was channeling:-)
Considering all the details of adjustment in pickups, hammers and tines that makes each wurli sound the way it does, they did a great job capturing the overall character and I'm sure if you had access to the wurli they sampled from it would be nearly 1:1
Yes, and my impression was that one could EQ these two to be indistinguishable in a mix fairly easily.
no two real wurli sound the same. If you compare the CP to yourself, it sounds perfect.
yall are snobs....for the size and the price this thing sounds AMAZING!!
what the wurlitzer
This little CP really is amazing... every piano on here is spot-on...!
I think this is one of those things where side by side, they're easily distinguishable. When you place only one in a song, could you still pick which one is in it? Would it impact the feeling of the song that much? That is the real question.
I am quite impressed, they're very very close.
ive got one and I think it sounds excellent. im not a wurlie snob but i don't think anyone is gonna notice. plus, the delay and reverb...yum
The way to use these is with a controller. I paired this with a used 88 key graded hammer action keyboard and was blown away (until I upgraded to Korg SV1). I seldom if ever use the mini keys except to test the sound.
Not just about the sound.Its also about the feeling when you play the Instrument!
Sounds niccely emulated. Like someone said here before - only big difference you can hear is in the release, and maybe in the little bit harsher or earlier distortion in high dynamicly played sounds, but every Wurli is different and thats a problem all simulations, sampled or not have, and real Wurlies have that problem too, even with keys next to each other.
From my experience: putting a microphone in front of the right speaker beats every direct output recording of a real Wurlitzer. The sound maybe not be so clean, but you get more natural sound because u record the resonance of the whole Instrument, plus the sound of the not amped reeds oscillating (like when the Wurly is turned of, plus the attack "click" sound of the keys being struck. It makes the Wurly more "bell-sounding", more into the area of a rhodes. If youre going for the midrange, very little bell like highs and very little attack sound, you can always record it through the output jack. Or you record both simultaniously and decide afterwards, wich suits the song better.
Apparently the Wurly is going thru the ISA and the CP is not???
:(
Surprisingly impressive! I don't have much need for the Reface instruments, but for a studio or artist on a budget, this looks like a winner.
+Michael Maddox I'm not even sure it's about being on a budget, who wants to have a Wurlitzer, DX7, Hammond, loads of analogue synths, etc in their studio's these days when you have VST's and digital effects? If you really want to get authentic then you can rent out a specialist studio for the day for some sessions with that gear. I think it's perhaps useful for people who want a bit of a hybrid set up with something more authentic than digital software remakes but don't necessarily have the space, time and patience for routing loads of classic instruments into their workflow.
Anonymouse LOTS OF FOLKS still use hardware instruments. Vst's don't last nearly as long and are not as much fun.
The Yamaha sounds good, but the Wurlitzer's minimal variations and detunings of each individual tone do make a difference.
Flashed me totally! The CP is as good as an old Wurlitzer! With 61 Keys of a Midi KB it is totally very good!
little lick at the beginning is Eddy Kendricks 'intimate friends'?
I love the wurlitzer sound
+Jimmy Figueras Me too-though I am not selling my real 200A which has an unique feel to it with wooden keys etc
The real is more more organic but the small guy is really good too!!
this really solves lots of question in my head ... thanks
Soranut Masayavanich ya same
Not bad if you only need two octaves. I sometimes feel constricted on the Wurlitzer compared to my old upright piano. But I love that Wurlitzer sound!
well, 3 octaves actually but who's counting😂
Very impressive!
This is very close especially considering one is played on full size keys and the other on mini keys. Also consider how diffixult it would be to play the same passages with the exact same nuance.
Useable sound, but its size is not for adult keyboard players.
Reface CP is a pretty and good sounding toy.
Free tip for Yamaha:
they should build CP + CS + DX + YC alltogether into a small table top or rack module, and call it "RetroKey" or something similar... :-)
You could always use a midi keyboard.
Of course MIDI. But if I need CP, CS, DX and YC sounds, I'll buy 4 small stuff with unuseable keys and put them all onto the top of a MIDI keyboard...? :-)
A rack as well
As I said: "CP + CS + DX + YC alltogether into a small table top or rack module".
It means: 1 module, not 4.
Such a device would be a godsend. That said, there is a small community that likes to really get down with minikeys - I think the microKorg getting really popular made that happen.
Good job! Would you please tell me the purpose of the Focusrite preamp? Did you hooked a mic in it or direct line from keyboard ?
There's this noticeable release that the real Wurlitzer has that no keyboard or emulation can get right.
Wow, what a great comparison! Thanks for your effort and sharing!
More! This is awesome!
Got that Eddie Kendricks in the game...
I can't help but notice that the Wurli has a variable vibe. Did you install an update amp? Is it a Vintage Vibe 200/A amp by any chance? I'm really curious about doing that myself.
amazing! you cant tell the différence. Great video
0:23
Eddie Kendricks - Intimate friends was recorded with a Fender Rhodes.
Alicia Keys - Unbreakable is a whole step UP and was played on some sort of Wurly Digital Model? Or an ACTUAL Wurly ?
Can't wait to buy this so I can hook it up to a set of big keys! /s
the CP has a much harsher high end, it bites a lot more than the Wurtlitzer
The darling little dinkie are for us mere mortals who will never be able to get our hands on a real Wurly. Until I can play like Ray Charles, that's as close as I can get.
The Reface seems a little more punchy in the beginning of the note. Then it tapers off. That is really the only difference I am hearing between the two... But, none the least the reface comes so close to being a mimic of the original Rhodes that if you didn’t want to pay used prices for the Rhodes, go with the CP. I have my first reface coming, and am looking forward to opening it and using it. I decided on the DX and CS. Anyone know about them, or have used them?
It's not quite the same but very impressive none the less. If they released these reface keyboards as a modules (the keyboards on them are not necessary with midi controllers especially as these are mainly instruments for players) I would definitely buy them! Perhaps they could even have some kind of synchronisation system so you just need to hook up midi and audio once for all your modules and perhaps even a VST interface for them? That would be amazing IMHO.
WOW! how can it cost so little, and yet sound so expensive?
Its yamaha
Tool for the working man
That sounds pretty darn close. Not that I see the point of a mini version of this type of board?
The real deal sounds fuller and fatter but only when compared next to each other play only the CP in a band or recording context and you'll be happy
The Yamaha is completely missing the "detuning" sound on the notes that's present on the Wurly
Wondering whether this is going to come out as a sound module.
It is a sound module...with keys. Many like yourself don't realize this.
@@dwgraham22 OK.
Say what was the electric piano used in the original Blues Brothers movie?
the reface is mich louder so the test is not fair because Evers 0.5 DB make a big big psychqualy fx
Got one of the Yamaha Electronic Pianos sitting in a cupboard needs some attention its got the old ac americal style plug that needs changeing to an english one and also needs a good tune and probably some replacement reeds an tuning anyone know anyone in the essex area that does refurbs/repairs on these was a great keyboards but it's suffering from age now needs a good service but need to start saving was told a while back it'll cost near £500 to get it revied but I've lost the guys phone number think it was in Southend on Sea somewhere its a shame its just sitting not being used as my sons now started to learn keyboards and has one of my old casio electronic ones. Hate mini keys I have an Oxegen49 midi controller hate the small keys but it does it's job.
Well done!
Do the comparison with the CP-70 please!
I tried a NOS unit nearby....My impression was the tone control cuts off lot of resonance in the low end...esp. in the sustain.. while recording it may have less high end across the octaves...did anyone feel the same?? Of tonally it is good
low end on the cp sounds weird notice how its not low enough at 0:55
Incredible!
That’s pretty freaky!
What's with the button on the vibrato knob?
Impressive
Scarily close.
wyjatkowo reface brzmi lepiej niz pierwowzor. miedzy reface dx a dx7 jest porazajaca roznica. tu wsm sprowadza sie tylko do tego ze cp ma mniej stlumione brzmienie
look at the last song. it s so different sound .
The cp sounds better imo
what is the name of the song at 1:10 ??
Reminds me of Beck - Where It's At
Mercy, Mercy, Mercy
@@N4505 thanks for letting me know
What songs is he playing here?
So daam cool
Czy klawisze z tej serii są już do nabycia w polsce? i jaka jest ich cena?
Tak,są do nabycia już dawno...skoro 8 lat temu pisałes.
you are using a preamp?
The attack of the notes on the reface sound a bit weird and 2 dimensional compared to the real thing - and the more notes that are played at the same time, the more obvious that becomes.
Whats the first song
Please, what is the song played from 0:24 ?
eddie kendricks-inmate friends
I'll take the Wurly with the ground hum.
Wurlitzer: Inspiration/Music. CP: Linear and close to be dead in comparison, an Illusion of music, even if the sound is so close to the original. My opinion.
Great demo - comparison.
But: The CP is still great for what it is and for the low costs you will get a lot of really good emulation.
intimate friends
Wow
Those tiny keys look really awkward... sounds great though! Wish the same Wurly sound was in my CP50.
you can't compare it like that properly. It's about the live sound
wow whats a bargain! or a toy?))
The upper register is not great on the Reface but the rest was pretty good for the price of course. I think the Wurly is better in the Cp but the Rhodes in this one is very good and I think better than anything in the Cp. They Cp had only one Rhodes sample that I thought was usable.. I think it was the first one the ‘78... but the rest were very bad.
Cp vs Nord
the wurlitzer wins
It sounds a little thin, but usable. But the keyboard is ridiculous. If you really want the best Whirly (and Rhodes), get Keyscape.
Rhodes more better for ears
Your Wurlitzer sounds best not your knockoff throw it away..
lmaooo imagine taking a real Wurli to a gig
Useless toy
Sure bud
Supertramp!!!!